Adam Allred: The Masculinity Conversation Nobody Wants to Have | DSH #1729

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: Digital Social Hour
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Adam Allred (Doughboy Nation, Elite Sentinel Forge)
Episode Title: Adam Allred: The Masculinity Conversation Nobody Wants to Have
Date: January 3, 2026

In this candid and wide-ranging episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Adam Allred to unpack "the masculinity conversation nobody wants to have." Together, they tackle the state of modern masculinity, dating dynamics, the impact of feminism, the essential role of fatherhood, the importance of male community, and how societal shifts are influencing men today. They also discuss personal stories, the influence of technology and AI, and share advice for men navigating today's culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Modern Masculinity and the ‘Lost Boys’ Phenomenon

• Adam observes a decline in clear purpose among young men, referring to many as the "Lost Boys"—men raised predominantly by women who seek validation and purpose through women, lacking masculine mentorship and direction ([01:26]).

  • Quote: "You get these boys growing up... raised predominantly by females. They go through a female school system, they roll into adulthood, and the only thing that separates them from being a kid and a man is they can shave now." — Adam, [01:29]

• He cautions against making women one's primary purpose: "When you make a woman your purpose, your primary purpose, that's where I think the wheels just come off, dude." ([01:29])

2. Masculine Purpose & Frameworks

• Adam shares his belief that men’s primary purpose should be self-betterment, not external validation or solely serving women.

  • Quote: "As a man, you have to understand what your purpose is. And your purpose cannot be a woman. That's a secondary objective. ... My primary purpose is me being the best version of myself." — Adam, [03:21-03:45]

• He outlines three categories of masculinity:

  1. Lost Boys (not truly masculinity)
  2. Selfish achievers (seeking money, women, status)
  3. "The comprehensive man": grounded, self-improving, responsible to others ([03:52-04:15]).

3. Dating Dynamics, Feminism, and Double Standards

• Both critique the modern dating landscape, arguing that feminism has led to unrealistic expectations and contributed to the weakening of masculinity ([06:00], [10:26]).

  • Adam claims modern women are "entitled to everything and owed nothing," exemplified by social media culture ([09:10]).
  • Quote: "They owe nothing to the relationship. You know, it's like, 'What can the man provide?'" — Adam, [09:10]

• The hosts explore double standards regarding sexual history, with both expressing that a person’s past does matter in choosing a partner ([22:32-23:03]).

  • Quote: "I think past does matter." — Adam, [22:39]
  • Quote: "If someone slept with a hundred guys, I mean, I wouldn’t date them." — Sean, [22:32]

• Discussion of dating apps: Adam and Sean note how apps push most women toward a small segment of men, leaving many men out ([12:16-13:21]).

  • Quote: "90% of women pursue 10% of the men on dating apps... And the top tier guys just have access to unlimited females because everybody's coming to them." — Adam, [12:16-12:31]

4. Fatherhood, Family Structure, and Social Responsibility

• Adam emphasizes the importance of a stable two-parent household: "The best place for [children] is with a stable home, with two parents that are together and aligned..." ([05:00-05:39])

• He argues that a father’s role is to prepare—rather than merely protect—their children for life.

  • Quote: "As a man, your job is to prepare them... If I’m not getting my kids ready for life, then I’m failing as a father." — Adam, [41:01]

• Touches on arranged marriages jokingly, noting parental guidance is often more reliable than youthful emotion-driven choice ([07:00]).

5. Pornography, Social Media, and Modern Vice

• Both critique the normalization of porn and its impact on young men, discussing its addictiveness and potentially destructive effects ([19:00-20:00]).

  • Quote: "I don’t know any guy that’s sitting around looking at porn, feeling good about himself." — Adam, [19:25]

• Adam shares steps he takes as a parent to protect his kids from toxic online influences ([20:02]).

6. Male Community, Brotherhood, and Mental Health

• Adam strongly advocates for male community: "One of the primary aspects of being a healthy man is having a good tribe of brothers around you. Men make men good. Women don't." ([31:40-31:48])

• Research cited: For optimal male mental health, men need "at least two nights a week with their buddies" ([32:33]).

• Adam’s "Doughboy" online brotherhood aims to address this gap ([33:41]).

  • Runs weekly sessions focused on masculinity, accountability, and self-improvement ([34:15]).

7. Testosterone, Physical Health, and Societal Trends

• Both discuss declining testosterone levels in men and its far-reaching consequences ([34:51-36:50]).
  • Adam recounts his personal plummet in T-levels and the transformation he experienced after medical intervention ([35:18-36:17]).
  • Quote: "I started taking testosterone... I kind of felt like I was back in college... I go into the gym, [and] I’m looking forward to working out." — Adam, [36:17]

8. Censorship, Social Commentary, and 'The Matrix'

• They discuss censorship on social media platforms, especially around topics like pharma and controversial ideology ([37:25-38:28]).

  • Quote: "I got Shadow banned on Instagram for talking about pharma. Big pharma. And I’ve had a couple of my posts taken down." — Adam, [37:34]

• Adam references the "matrix" as a metaphor for societal control and propaganda ([37:52]).

9. Parenting Styles and Legacy

• Adam distances himself from strict or "helicopter" parenting, instead favoring structure and giving kids a workable life framework ([39:40-41:03]).

  • Cites research: Children imitate parents’ financial and spiritual frameworks ([41:00]).

• He discusses his appearances on Jubilee and "Middle Ground" episodes regarding parenting ([39:11-41:37]).

10. AI, Technological Change, and The Future

• Speculates about AI’s potential to radically extend human lifespan and disrupt every type of work—including podcasting ([46:17-48:06]).

  • Quote: "AI will be able to calculate everything about you... and prescribe what you need to have to be living healthy and long." — Adam, [48:16]

• Adam expresses both awe and caution: "None of us are gonna... whatever this singularity event is going to be, when AI is like, fully integrated into everything, it’s gonna do everything any of us do better." ([46:41])

• They discuss philosophical and biblical perspectives on advanced civilizations and miracles, suggesting past advancements may have been greater than commonly believed ([49:13-51:46]).

11. Religion, Authenticity, and the Human Spirit

• Adam distinguishes between Christianity and institutional religion, seeing value in the teachings of Jesus but criticizing religious dogma ([50:32-51:46]).

  • Quote: "Religion is basically inserting middleman between you and God. All religion sells is exclusivity." — Adam, [50:32]

• He concludes that authenticity may be humanity's last unique value in a world remade by AI ([52:08]).

  • Quote: "The only thing that AI won't stamp out... is authenticity." — Adam, [52:08]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "So, yeah, that brings up a good point. So I have three categories of masculinity... the comprehensive man. He's leveling up and trying to be the best version of himself, because he knows he's got a lot of people that depend on him." — Adam, [03:52]

• "You never ask a woman for dating advice ever. You know, you don't ask fish how to catch a fish. You ask a fisherman." — Adam, [16:08]

• "Have you ever met a happy feminist?" — Adam, [42:11]
  Sean: "A happy feminist? Not off the top of my head." ([42:11-42:15])

• "I agree, and I'm fairly conservative too, but [Jubilee] do a pretty good job of presenting both sides and not trying to impose their view into the content they're making." — Adam, [41:45]

• "One of the primary aspects of being a healthy man is having a good tribe of brothers around you. Men make men good. Women don't." — Adam, [31:41]

• "AI will be able to calculate everything about you ... and prescribe what you need to have to be living healthy and long." — Adam, [48:16]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:26 | The crisis of masculine purpose and "Lost Boys" in society | | 03:21-03:50 | Adam’s philosophy: Self-betterment as a man's primary purpose | | 06:00-07:00 | The impact of feminism on relationships and family dynamics | | 09:10 | Unrealistic expectations for men in dating | | 12:16-13:21 | How dating apps skew choices and worsen hookup culture | | 19:00-20:00 | Normalization and dangers of pornography | | 31:40-32:00 | The importance of male community and honest male relationships | | 34:51-36:50 | Low testosterone: modern trends and Adam’s personal experience | | 37:25-38:28 | Experiences with social media censorship | | 39:11-41:37 | Conversations about parenting style, legacy, and Jubilee appearances | | 46:17-48:16 | AI’s impact on health, work, and society; radical predictions | | 50:32-51:46 | Adam's critique of organized religion vs. personal faith | | 52:08 | Authenticity as humanity's unique trait in an AI world |

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Tone & Language

The episode is frank, conversational, and often opinionated with both host and guest speaking directly and at times provocatively. Adam uses analogies, storytelling, and humor, and both speakers are unfiltered about their personal histories and social critiques.

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Summary Takeaways

• The episode revolves around reclaiming masculine identity, responsibilities, and community in an era perceived as hostile or confusing for men.
• Adam challenges prevailing cultural norms in dating, family, and gender politics, advocating for self-improvement and traditional frameworks while allowing for adaptation and respect for women’s opportunities.
• Both host and guest lament the loss of structure for young men, advocate for the power of male brotherhood, and delve into the effects of societal changes, ranging from technology to shifting gender expectations.
• Listeners gain both actionable advice (e.g., monitor your T-levels, build male friendships) and provocative questions about the future of masculinity, marriage, and authenticity.

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Transcript

[A]

AI will be able to calculate everything about you. Wow. Everything in real. And prescribe what you need to have to be living healthy and long.

[B]

250 would be crazy.

[A]

250 years. Then you start reading stuff in the Bible and you're like, these dudes lived at like, 900.

[B]

Yeah, I've seen that. Maybe I've seen that. I don't know. You believe in that?

[A]

Living long?

[B]

No. Back in the day, people were living, like, hundreds of years.

[A]

Well, the thing. The interesting thing about the Bible to me is that all of this stuff that people say is impossible, the miracles or the stories or whatever, they're becoming more and more real.

[B]

All right, guys, we are in Utah. Got Adam Allred on the show today. Doughboy Nation Elite Sentinel Forge. Thanks for coming on, man.

[A]

It's good to be here. Mike.

[B]

Yeah. What's new with you? Middle name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's new with you, though?

[A]

School season. Getting the kids back in school, so I've been taking them every morning and, you know, just doing the dad life stuff.

[B]

Family, man. Yeah, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I know you talked a lot about dating. Dating dynamics. That's a big thing for you, right?

[A]

I mean, I think it's mostly just guys, you know, guys just don't know how to date, and they don't know how to manage women. They don't understand women. And so a lot of it is just more conceptual. Like, dude, how do you put together a framework that actually works and makes sense when you're dealing with women?

[B]

Does your wife get mad when you are outspoken about those topics?

[A]

No, she gets it. She's on board. Yeah.

[B]

Respect.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It's good that you have that. Cause some guys are scared to speak out.

[A]

Well, if I didn't, it would be rough. I don't know what that would look like. That would be a tough situation because, you know, on one hand, you gotta do what you gotta do and you gotta live the life you gotta live. And this is, you know, just jumping right into the deep end. This is one of the things I think guys have lost is their purpose. So you get these boys growing up, I call them the Lost Boys. You get a generation of Lost Boys that are coming up that have been raised predominantly by females. They go through a female school system, they roll into adulthood, and the only thing that separates them from being a kid and a man is they can shave now. They haven't learned anything about how to manage women, and they're looking for women to make their purpose. Basically looking to replace the mother of their youth or the authority Figure of their youth. And when you make a woman your purpose, your primary purpose, that's where I think the wheels just come off, dude. The shit hits the fan and it just starts to fall apart. You guys are in that. That mindset.

[B]

Yeah. A lot of guys, I would say, devote many hours a week to pursuing women. It's one of their main purposes. Right. Trying to get laid or trying to get a girlfriend. It's pretty impressive, actually. Many guys think that way.

[A]

Yeah. You know, it's the most interesting part of life, probably, arguably, is your relationship with the opposite sex.

[B]

For me, what you said earlier really resonates. I grew up in a single mother household, A lot of female teachers growing up in public school. And back then, I pulled no girls. I had no confidence. I was skinny and didn't have the right guidance, you know, didn't have that father figure.

[A]

Well, that's what's lacking. I mean, you know, this is a big thing that I stand on with my content, is that the biggest risk to society right now is the weakening of masculinity. And it's not attractive to anybody, especially not women, even though they will pretend like it is. And that's kind of like the. You know, what you have to say that you want a man that's sensitive and in tune to your emotions and dotes on you and treats you like a princess and. And then the second you do that, she's not interested in you anymore.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I think it's a balance. Because you don't want to be total. Totally closed off emotionally, right?

[A]

No. Yeah. Not at all. No. I don't. I don't. I don't believe in, you know, you. You have to have emotions. Emotions are super important. But as a man, you have to understand what your purpose is. And your purpose cannot be a woman. That's a secondary objective. You take care of your family. I'm a big family guy. I'm faithful to my wife. I love my wife. She's the coolest person I know on the planet, but she's not my primary purpose.

[B]

Really. What is?

[A]

Me being the best version of myself.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. And I think that's the primary purpose for everybody.

[B]

Interesting. Because some people would call that selfish.

[A]

Well, no, because. So, yeah, that brings up a good point. So I have three categories of masculinity. You have the lost Boys, which isn't even masculinity. That's what we were just talking about. And then you have men that start to kind of figure out that they can, you know, kind of take charge of their destiny. And they go into the world for selfish reasons. So they're going out there, they're getting money, they're getting hoes, whatever else, they're getting success, they're getting status. They're looking for all the external validity. And then what you have. For me, the way that I categorize it is the comprehensive man. And he's a guy that transcends that. So he's leveling up and trying to be the best version of himself, because he knows he's got a lot of people that depend on him. So it's going into the world. Imposing your will in the world to make it a better place.

[B]

There's an argument right now, I'm sure you've seen it, that men are biologically wired to pursue multiple partners. We want to have, procreate and have as many kids as possible. You've seen that. What's your response to that?

[A]

Well, you know, kind of to each his own. Whatever works for you. But to me, the greatest fulfillment that I've ever got out of life, I do business, I've been doing. You know, I've been an entrepreneur my entire adult life, had a lot of success. It's been really enjoyable. I love the work that I do, but the most fulfilling thing that I get out of life is from my family. And, you know, you can argue that men are biologically wired to sleep with as many women as they can. You know, it's a. An evolutionary thing. Get your seed out there. We see it in the animal kingdom, but if we're really concerned about the future of humanity, then you have to take seriously raising children and raising them the best way. And I think we all have, maybe not all of us, but as a society, we have a responsibility to raise the next generation well. And the best place for that with children is with a stable home, with two parents that are together and aligned in their goals and their purposes, and raising their children.

[B]

Well, you can't even argue that anymore Based off recent studies like that is.

[A]

A fact for sure. So we may have the inclination to do that, But I think we have a greater, more sacred responsibility to raise the next generation.

[B]

Well, I'm sure a lot of the clients you deal with, tough breakups, divorces. I think it's like 60% divorce right now in America or something like that. Pretty crazy, right?

[A]

Dude, it's out of control. And, you know, so much of this is the rise of this feminist movement, you know, that women don't need a man, Men are toxic. And a woman can do Everything she needs to do without a man. And then you just. We're just reaping the catastrophic fruits of that sort of mindset.

[B]

Is there anything you agree with the feminist movement about?

[A]

Well, I think in the initial inception of the feminist movement, what it was at least sold as was a. A way to give equal opportunity to women. Right. Which I totally agree with. I have two daughters, I've got a third daughter on the way. I want them to have the best, most vibrant life. I want them to have the most opportunities they can get. So I agree with that. However, the feminist movement, that wasn't really what it was about. That was kind of the excuse or the marketing strategy to sell it to the American people worldwide. You know, the feminist movement was really about destroying masculinity, destroying femininity, and ultimately destroying the traditional family.

[B]

Yeah. As a father, do you feel like you should have a say in who your daughter dates?

[A]

Yeah, once I had daughters, I was like, dude, I am all for prearranged marriages. It makes so much more sense. My 19 year old or 20, I don't have a 19 year old yet. I have a 13 year old, so I'm getting a glimpse into it. But, dude, her making a decision about what guy she's gonna marry is just.

[B]

Catastrophic to me at that age.

[A]

I bet 19 or 20 or whatever.

[B]

Age just about looks at that age. Right.

[A]

Looks and just how she feels. It's all based on emotions. You know, that chemistry where you fall in love and it's like a drug. You just. As soon as you put those rose colored glasses on, you miss all the red flags.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think I don't have kids yet, but I think I want to have a little bit of a say at least.

[A]

Do you want kids?

[B]

Yeah. I'm getting married in two months.

[A]

Oh, congratulations, man.

[B]

So we're waiting on that.

[A]

That's super exciting. That's great.

[B]

I'm in a unique spot. A lot of people in my shoes, you know, sleep around, do all that. I've been with the same girl for eight years. I'm disciplined. I'm locked in. People are like, you should sleep around. I'm like, I'm not interested in that.

[A]

You and I are in the same boat. So. I've been married twice, went through a really rough divorce about six years ago. Really rough marriage for eight and a half years. But I've only had sex with two women. I was married with both of them when I did.

[B]

Wow, that's impressive.

[A]

Oral sex, Whatever sex.

[B]

Holy crap. Yeah, that's really Love for someone your age.

[A]

Yeah, it's what I was committed to, you know, that was something that was important to me to.

[B]

Hats off to you, man. So is that why you started the company after that nasty divorce? You wanted to help out guys?

[A]

Yeah, a lot of it was triggered from that. You know, I went through that marriage and I did everything wrong. I was trying to do it all right, but I was just. I was just making one mistake after another because the framework that I had been handed from my family, from culture, from the religious upbringing that I grew up in, it didn't work. And when I was going through the divorce, I had dozens of guys reach out to me and they're like, dude, what is it? Like, what's the process? They were all married buddies of mine or associates that kind of just heard about me going through divorce and sharing their stories with me, and I'm like, dude, these guys are in the same boat. They just. They have no idea how to make a marriage work with a woman. And women are far more complicated and difficult to manage in a relationship now, these days, social media, well, you know, I think more because of feminism. Yeah, social media plays a role in it. There's a lot of factors, but I think you just have women that are off the rails right now, collectively. I'm not talking about all of them. This is generalization. Yeah, well, it's this idea that they are entitled to everything and owed nothing. They owe nothing to the relationship. You know, it's like, what can the man provide? You see this on social media, right? You get these like 400 pound chicks. They're like, I want a man that's six' six and I want him to be, you know, making 500 grand a year and I'm entitled to that. You're like, what are you bringing to the table? Well, me, I'm just bringing. Me, I'm just showing up. That's good enough.

[B]

Have you seen that female delusion calculator? It's like a website where you input the height you want in a man, the salary, and it shows like, what percentage of guys.

[A]

Fraction of a fraction of a percent.

[B]

I think like above 6ft and makes like 250 a year, like 0.5% or something.

[A]

Congratulations, man.

[B]

Yeah, but that's what most girls want. You know what I mean? A guy above six and that could make six figures.

[A]

That's you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, but like that's not. You can't do that. Like most guys aren't there.

[A]

Yeah, no. So it's unrealistic expectations.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think so much of this has just been handed down through this generation of call it, you know, it's paraded as empowering women, but it's just really destroying femininity and it's destroying any of the qualities that make women attractive to men, you know?

[B]

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[A]

So how'd you guys meet?

[B]

We met on Tinder. Right when it came out on the dating app.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But now I heard it's just full of bots and like fake profiles. And apparently the ratio is 9 to 1 now from male to female. So I think guys need to take some accountability too.

[A]

So nine men for every one female.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you have in that. Have you seen any of this, the statistics on that, like 90% of women pursue 10% of the men on dating apps? It goes along with what we're saying, just this entitlement expectation of what they're owed. And so it's created the hookup culture for sure. Because every woman is now chasing the top of the food chain. She has no self awareness of where she fits in, you know, in that hierarchy or what's realistic for. So she's pursuing the top tier guys. And the top tier guys just have access to unlimited females because everybody's coming to them. Right. And so you get all these. You get a lot of really Good, decent guys that just get overlooked. It was something like some insane statistic. And I'm probably butchering this right now, but it was something like a guy on a dating app. The typical guy has to swipe whatever right or left. I don't know what it is, but has to swipe like a hundred times to get one coffee date. And then most of the time you get stood up.

[B]

I think it's way more than 100 swipes for.

[A]

It's crazy numbers. So the average guy is just.

[B]

I think it's closer to a thousand these days, but probably. Yeah, back then it was a hundred. That's what it took me to get date on Tinder. Hundreds.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I met my wife now on a dating app. I met her on Hinge.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

I was this crazy anomaly on that, but I was on it for like three days.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

She was the first girl I met too.

[A]

So the first one I went on a date. So I was on this other one. There's a weird little Utah culture one that's called.

[B]

Is it a Mormon dating app?

[A]

It's supposed to be, but it's not just for Mormons. But it's supposed to be. I was on that one, my buddy. So I went through a divorce about the same time one of my buddies was going through divorce. And so he's like, bro, you got to get on these dating apps. And I was like, I got through that mess in a marriage. And I was like, dude, that was eight and a half years of pure hell.

[B]

Oh, so the whole marriage, you weren't.

[A]

Happy right from the get go? Right out the gates, bro. Like it was, it was insane. So I didn't get married till I was 30 and I dated my. My first wife for like 18 months. So it wasn't like flat, you know, it wasn't quick. No.

[B]

Well, that's kind of quick.

[A]

I feel like, to get married, worldly standards. Utah standards.

[B]

Oh, it's not Utah.

[A]

No, it's not. But, you know, you still, you know, Dave Chappelle says you're dating the representative for the first six months. I'm like, yeah, well, that was 18 months, you know. So you think you get to know somebody as soon as we got married, she changed.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Immediately. Like we were talking divorce within the first three months. I'm not a divorce guy. Like, I'm, you know, you make it work. You figure it out. That's my family. Yeah, within the first three months. But then she was pregnant and so I was like, oh, so, you know, I'M the captain. I'm just gonna stay at the helm regardless of whatever is in front of us.

[B]

You did it for the kids. You stayed in line for the kids. That's what happened with my diet.

[A]

And, you know, you have this belief that if you just keep working at something. This is how I've been my whole life. If you. If you just keep working at something, you can start to figure it out and you'll start to get some traction. But we never did.

[B]

I think in a marriage, that mindset doesn't work because you can't control them.

[A]

Bingo. Right? But I didn't know that, so I was really naive. Even though I was 30 and had some life experience, there were so many things I didn't know.

[B]

I realized, luckily, at a somewhat young age, you can't change people. They have to change.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But so many guys think if they can nice their way enough, that the woman will reciprocate that. But women don't like nice guys 100%. They like strong guys. That's what they like. They're looking for a guy that's strong and that there's no part of nice that is included. You respectful, kind, generous, you know, benevolent. Those are all good qualities. But being nice, there's an element of deception in the idea of being nice. You're basically. Whenever you're being nice, you say, hey, I was being nice. You're talking to somebody. I was being nice to them. You're not telling them the truth. Right. That's what it means.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I was being nice.

[B]

I never thought of it that way. Yeah, you're right, though, because if you didn't have to be nice if you were honest.

[A]

So nice guys are perpetually in a state of lying. They're never saying exactly how they feel. They're never doing exactly what they want to do. They're trying to fulfill the expectations of others because they think if they can make other people feel good, that that will be reciprocated back to them. And it's a lot of this being raised by women.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So you never ask a woman for dating advice ever. You know, you don't ask fish how to catch a fish. You ask a fisherman how to catch a fish. So you ask women, and they'll tell you, oh, just treat her really well. Take her out, you know, call her, like, send her flowers. And you're like, this isn't gonna work.

[B]

You're a simp at that point.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You basically put her on a. You pedestalized her, and now she's Acting like a tyrant, which is.

[B]

That's the onlyfans culture.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You got a bunch of sims sending money, sending flowers, sending gifts. They don't give a shit about them.

[A]

It's so great.

[B]

They don't even talk to them.

[A]

It's an Indian guy or an AI bot.

[B]

Yeah. They don't care about them.

[A]

Not at all. So we've lost our way as men. This is the biggest issue in our society right now. I think this is the biggest threat worldwide.

[B]

Feminism or.

[A]

Well, the weakening of masculinity. And I don't even blame feminism. Right. Like feminism was the precursor for all this or the excuse for all this. But this was weak men. And it was actually, incidentally, there's. There's a lot of. You can, you can read this, you can study about it. The feminist movement was largely promoted by men behind the scenes.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What?

[A]

Oh, yeah. They were trying to get free sex. Like, let's liberate women from this commitment to fidelity into family.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And let's get women just, you know, these dudes were just preying on these women and all these women that, like the early feminist leaders, you know, they were all mentally ill. That backfired. Huge problems. Well, no, they're getting sex. Some of them are.

[B]

You know, I mean, is sex worth that? No. Nah. Hell no. Nah. And if I want to have sex with someone, I want to actually like them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want to just have a one night stand.

[A]

It's so hollow otherwise. Now, I don't. I haven't been in that. But I've got friends that have been in the hookup and none of them seem fulfilled. None of them are happy.

[B]

None of them.

[A]

None of them are happy. It might be exciting for a time, you know, but yeah, they all come.

[B]

To me at the end of the night and they're like, I wish I had a girl that I could talk to and be with long term. All of them.

[A]

But the problem is, man, you're just playing Russian roulette with Western women right now.

[B]

I don't think if I was single, I would ever date Western at this point. Unless it was like a small town.

[A]

That go to Colombia. Columbia's a small Ukraine, Whatever. Yeah. You know, women, they have traditional values.

[B]

You know, they're still intact over there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even though the cartel runs it. They have better morals than Western society.

[A]

They know how to treat a man. And I hear about this from my friends that do. Exactly. Yeah. They go there. So I'm not speaking for personal experience.

[B]

Experience, but crazy times, Ryan. Yeah. That is nuts, man. Yeah. When I saw Lil Tay make a million dollars as soon as she turned 18.

[A]

Three hours.

[B]

Yeah. I was like, what the is wrong with you?

[A]

I didn't even know who she was until that.

[B]

Oh, you didn't know her from before?

[A]

I remember seeing a clip. Maybe. I saw a clip of her once.

[B]

She was young when that viral clip came out, man. She was like, 12 or 13. So the fact that she launched it as soon as that means they were planning it.

[A]

Dudes. Dudes were planning it. They were watching.

[B]

Same with Bad Baby. You remember that girl?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

As soon as she turned 18. Now she made like, 60 million at this point.

[A]

Yes. It's gross.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

I mean, to each or whatever you want to do with your life, do with your life, you know? I'm all like, let and let live, but it's so unhealthy, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, this culture that we live in.

[B]

Right now, I can't believe it, man. Porn addiction everywhere.

[A]

It's nasty, and it's like, it's celebrated now.

[B]

It's normal. People talk about it openly. When I was growing up, that would be like. You'd get bullied for doing that.

[A]

I don't know any guy that's sitting around looking at porn, feeling good about himself.

[B]

There's brain scans of porn addicts, and it looks exactly like cigarette smokers. Yeah.

[A]

Just. It totally wrecks you, man. And when kids get hooked on it, which so many kids are, it just. It fucks up their whole life.

[B]

Yeah. I know guys that masturbate four times a day. Isn't that crazy?

[A]

How old are they?

[B]

They're, like, in their 20s.

[A]

They still got all that testosterone.

[B]

Yeah. That's not healthy.

[A]

Can't be.

[B]

That is crazy.

[A]

I kind of respect for that, though. How do you have the energy to do anything else?

[B]

You gonna ban it in your household? Porn?

[A]

What's that?

[B]

Are you gonna ban porn use in your house? Oh, yeah, yeah, the kids.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

You got sons or just daughters?

[A]

I have two boys. One of them's only two, and then I have a boy that's 11. And they have cell phones, but their cell phones are all monitored, and they have, you know, security things on them, so we can check everything they're doing and respect. And they can't download any apps or do anything without a notifying my.

[B]

You got to be careful with the games now, too. Roblox is under investigation right now.

[A]

I saw that.

[B]

Yeah, it's creepy fortnight, too. They just hop in lobbies with random people. Scary. Times we're in.

[A]

It's wild, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what made you. What made this girl the one so.

[B]

Weirdly enough, I'm sapio sexual. Do you know what that is?

[A]

Not really.

[B]

I'm attracted to intelligence. Oh, this girl's way smarter than me. And she just keeps me so grounded.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, yeah, she's just brilliant, dude. It, like, really motivates me.

[A]

So did you know that, like, right when you met her, were you like, holy cow, this girl is a. I.

[B]

Didn'T know it at the time. We just immediately clicked. But as I researched more and more into it and I never really cared about looks growing up. I looked into it and I was like, yeah, this is the one.

[A]

That's cool. I don't think I've ever talked to anybody who's sapiosexual.

[B]

Yeah. 2% of the population, I think so.

[A]

Intelligence.

[B]

Intelligence. I still like looks, too, but it's not primary. Most guys, that's primary for me. It's how we actually converse, how we talk. That's more important to me than physical attraction.

[A]

I think mine is authenticity.

[B]

Yeah, that's important.

[A]

That's the most attractive thing to me. Look. So, you know, you got all these things that you're looking for and somebody that you're going to commit yourself to, but that was the most attractive thing about my wife. The first date I went on with her, I was like, this. This girl is crazy, man. She's just an open book.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

I love it, man. I was, like, super intrigued. I didn't believe it. Right. I was like, I've never dated a girl that was just, like, completely candid about who she was, unapologetically, but also sweet and nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was like trying to ram it in my face or anything, but she was just like, this is who I am. And I was like. I kept looking for the deception, and it wasn't there, man.

[B]

I also really liked the innocence, you know what I mean? And she grew up, very humble beginnings, so I wanted to be a provider for her.

[A]

What do you mean by innocence?

[B]

Hadn't been compromised, you know, hadn't slept around with a bunch of guys, was very, like, kind, sweet, loving, feminine energy, you know, how it used to be.

[A]

So there's this debate, double standard. You know, men are kind of paraded or celebrated when they have lots of. They can sleep around a lot. And women are like, that's a double standard. Because if I sleep around, I'm a hoe, and then guys don't want to pick me up. What are Your thoughts on that?

[B]

I think your past matters. We might disagree on this, but if someone slept with a hundred guys, I mean, I wouldn't date them.

[A]

Oh, yeah, no, we agree on that. I think past does matter. I'm just curious what your response is to that kind of debate where there's a lot of people out there saying it's a double standard.

[B]

Oh, so on the guy's point of view, if they sleep around with a lot of women, I don't personally respect that. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, I honestly wouldn't even work with them at that point. Like, I want my guy to be committed. I don't want them cheating on their girl. Like, that's a turn off for me.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So, yeah, I guess I disagree with the double standard.

[A]

It's out there, right? I mean, this is some of the debate out there. Double standard. Where did you get your value system from?

[B]

I don't know, because I grew up kind of Christian and then stopped going to church in, like, middle school, school, high school. So maybe I got some Christian values without even knowing at a young age, but I'm not entirely sure. I just watch a lot of podcasts and have really good mentors, so I think I picked up a little something.

[A]

Because you're rare, bro.

[B]

Like, my age. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I've always gravitated towards older people, too. Like, all my friends are in their 30s, 40s, some of them even 50s. I just feel like I have an old soul is what they call it.

[A]

Oh, good for you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't care about getting drunk or partying. Yeah, I got rid of that in like six months in college.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Got sick of that stuff.

[A]

Same.

[B]

No point, right?

[A]

I mean, I'll drink a little bit of wine every once in a while for like, a particular social setting. But yeah, I hate going out. Like, I've got buddies that they go out all the time and I'm like, dude, dude, I don't get that. I can't do it. I go out sometimes with them just to, like, be a team player. I'm like, dude, I hate it. Like, 10 o', clock, I want to be home. I want to be watching a show with my wife. I want to go to bed at a reasonable time, Netflix and chill.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I don't get that lifestyle. Teach their own. But I'd rather just. I love sleep, dude. I value my sleep and I value my time with my girl, my dogs, being at home.

[A]

Yeah, same.

[B]

I know it sounds boring to some people, but that's just what I like to do, man.

[A]

No, it's not boring to me, man. It sounds healthy. That's what it sounds like. It's healthy.

[B]

At my age, though, like, especially like early 20s, people want to just go out, out and out and have fun.

[A]

But especially in this line of work, you travel to different places, do podcasts with interesting people. I'm sure there's a lot of like, hey, let's go out.

[B]

Oh, all the time. And I go to a lot of conferences and people look forward more towards the parties than the actual conference. Just blows my mind.

[A]

I think there's gotta be something with that. The going out partying all the time is like drugs or like porn or something. It's a way of like not having to deal with your shit, you know, not being alone with yourself. Like, there's a lot of people I think that are really uncomfortable being alone by themselves. And I'm totally just putting on my psychologist hat, which I have no business doing, but I'll do it anyways. I just think there's probably a lot of that.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I think there's probably a lot of that going on with the tattoo culture right now too. You know, there's some really cool looking tattoos on people. I actually had a tattoo when I was. I went on a Mormon mission. So I was raised Mormon, like orthodox Mormon all in. And last six years has evolved a lot. So I don't really subscribe to the dogma of that religion. But I got a tattoo with a bunch of my buddies. I was living in Kansas at the time, right before I went on a Mormon mission. Yeah, I'll never forget you guys. We're homies for life. You know, we've all got tattoos. I got it removed.

[B]

Oh, it was a Mormon tattoo.

[A]

No, it was just kind of. I had it in Japanese kanji on my back. You know, it's just kind of a mantra that I had, you know, I don't know if I'd even remove it now, but I just think the people are just covering themselves with tattoos. I think it's a sign of like, inner work that hasn't been done.

[B]

A lot of insecurity for the most part. Not all of them, obviously, but a.

[A]

Lot of it's beautiful and a lot of it. I would categorize everybody that way, but I think, you know, making a decision, a permanent decision about how you're gonna look for the rest of your life at a certain age seems really myopic to me. Yeah, you know, like you're gonna grow and change and evolve. But that art that you put on or that, you know, butterfly or, you know, girlfriend's name or whatever is gonna.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, your life is gonna change and you're not gonna necessarily have the same inclination in a couple of years.

[B]

Your brain's developing till 26. They just found that out. So if you're getting tatted up at 18, you might regret that until eight years when your brain's finally done developing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know. Yeah. I'm finally at peace with myself though. I'm glad you brought that up. It's. It's been a process. I'd say this podcast has finally helped me be at peace with myself. I had a lot of identity issues growing up.

[A]

Well, what were your identity issues?

[B]

I lacked confidence. Never felt like I fit in with a friend group.

[A]

Why do you think that was?

[B]

I was really shy, didn't really know myself. Didn't have that father figure guiding me. Was a PC gaming nerd. Just into stuff that people weren't into in my area, I guess.

[A]

Didn't feel.

[B]

I felt like I was like pretending to be someone I wasn't just to fit in with. Friend groups.

[A]

Yeah, you're kind of saying a lot there, but the idea of not having a father figure around, so much of kids, self worth and their confidence comes from a father figure for sure. And the fact that you've been able to kind of move past that and to develop yourself and hold standards for yourself is super impressive.

[B]

Yeah. Well, just having thousands of conversations at this point, it's really helped me find my values, I'd say in life, you know, wasn't easy. Wasn't. I could see why a lot of guys are lost because I was there. Mm. Was definitely there.

[A]

They never get out of it. They get into these dead end marriages and if they don't get wrecked by divorce, you know, where they're paying alimony and paying child support and driving a forklift, living in like a one bedroom apartment with buddies for the rest of their lives. They're just like the walking dead. Like, I see so many guys married for long periods of time and they just. You can see that they have the soul that was in there.

[B]

Is gosh, dude, that probably played a role in me too, because I saw my dad, he got divorced twice actually. So my mom was the second divorce, but after that one, she was never the same. Destroyed, you know. So seeing that, I think definitely played a role on me.

[A]

Yeah, divorce, that was the hardest thing I've ever been through. I bet that nothing harder than That I had three kids from that marriage, too.

[B]

Legal fees and custody battles.

[A]

Yeah, all of that. That just is, like, touching the surface, but just. I mean, for me, it was an identity crisis. It was a faith crisis. It was a. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because in the Mormon. You're not supposed to get divorced, right? In the Mormon culture.

[A]

Yeah, that was part of it for sure. But a lot of it was just an identity crisis that you're. You're like, dude, you get in a really bad relationship, and there's a lot of bad things that are said in that relationship, and you start to believe the stuff that you're told. You know, the criticisms and the attacks.

[B]

Words are powerful.

[A]

It is powerful. And you hear it over and over again. I remember we went to a marriage counselor about halfway through our marriage, like four or five years into it, and. Female marriage counselor. So I thought I was gonna get completely eviscerated. You know, like, women validate each other, right? It's like they don't tell each other the truth. Women do not tell each other the truth. My wife is the most authentic woman I've ever met. She doesn't tell her friends the truth because they would. They would talk to her.

[B]

Too emotional, right?

[A]

Yeah. So she's nice to them, right? She'll always be nice. It's just. It's volatile. So women just validate each other. So I thought, man, I'm going into the lion's den, but whatever we got to do to try and make this work. And, yeah, that was, like. It was so bad the first session that she separated us for the next one.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. She's like, yeah, we're just going to separate you guys, and I'll meet with each individually next week. And I go in there, and I think she's just going to, you know, eviscerate me, and I'm ready for it. Like, I'm going in to take my punches on the chin. And the first thing she said to me, it was like a clip right out of Goodwill. She's like, it's not your fault. Wow. And I couldn't. It was one of the few times in my life I was speechless. Like, I was like, what? Because my whole life, I thought it was my fault. Like, everything was reinforcing, that if the marriage isn't working, it's on my end. And I really internalized that and believed that she's like, yeah, this isn't your fault. And I only think she was partially true. But nonetheless, being validated for the first time ever, where somebody was like, not Just sticking up for the woman. Yeah. You know, like seeing a guy. What I was dealing with, it was.

[B]

Profound, rare feeling for men. Right.

[A]

It was like oxygen came in the room. It took me. It took me like, most of that session to like, kind of process what she was saying.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

I was just like, what? Wait, go back. What are you talking about? I don't get it. I don't get it.

[B]

Big Dan, man, I just started going to therapy again. How do you feel about that? Like, therapy in general.

[A]

I go to the gym for therapy.

[B]

Yeah. It didn't work on me in college. I'm trying it again just because I'm getting married. I want to try some premarital stuff. Got my third session coming up. Nothing too profound yet, if I'm being honest, but I guess it is cool to vent as a man. I don't get to let stuff out often.

[A]

Do you have a good group of friends around you?

[B]

Not about personal issues. All my friends are business related, which is probably a flaw.

[A]

You need that, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, one of the. One of the primary aspects of being a healthy man is having a good tribe of brothers around you. Men make men good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Women don't. And having guys that you can share your shit with and, you know, guys how it is, like, you talk shit, you open up, you share something vulnerable. Your buddies roast you or make fun of you for it. I mean, they'll hear you and stuff, but it's all in love. But you get it out, right? You get it. Like you're saying you can get it out of what's inside, inside of you and lay it on the table. Once you can look at it and you have other people looking at it and you realize they still love you even though you're fucked up. And you know, they are that to me, my time with my friends and my time going to the gym, working out, and I believe in God, I spend a lot of time with meditation and prayer. Those are my things I do for therapy.

[B]

Yeah. I'd love to have a group of men around me that have been in long relationships, marriages. I think that'd be very important for me to start the thinking about, you know.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. I think a good tribe is, like, paramount to the mental health. In fact, there was a research. It was. I was just doing a podcast on this, like, for men's mental health. They need at least two nights a week with their buddies. Wow. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Optimal mental health.

[B]

Like, I really got to work on that because I don't do any.

[A]

Yeah, I think you would find an enormous amount of value from that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of course you got to be selective about your friends because you can't trust everybody. But when you can have a good of guys around you that, you know, I mean, we've evolved that way. It's not like this is some sort of modern idea. Like men, we came up in tribes, men spent time with men every single day. Right. You know, hunting, going to war, moving the tribe, sitting around the fire. This is just baked into who we are.

[B]

Yeah, I need to start doing that. I got four right now, but three of them are single is the problem. But maybe the one guy that isn't, maybe I could just do one on one sessions with him.

[A]

Yeah. Just hang out, you know, it doesn't have to be like, hey, we're having a friend session. You just, just even being outside with them laughing about shit. And you know that, that to me is therapy.

[B]

You got a brotherhood. Like, is that what Doughboy is?

[A]

Yeah, Doughboy is my. My online brotherhood. So this is for guys that. There's so many guys out there that, you know what we're talking about, they just, they don't understand how to get their life at order on a myriad of different ways. Right. Like financially, physically, in a relationship, as a father, whatever it is, you know, brotherhood. So we spend a lot of time, I do two hour sessions every live sessions, every single Sunday with these guys, and we dig into the different articles of masculinity and it's cool to see how it's evolved. It's small right now. We're officially launching next month, but we've got like 40 members right now.

[B]

That's so good, man. My first impression at 10 people. 15 maybe.

[A]

Yeah, well, you know, it is what it is. It's not. I'm not even doing it for numbers. I mean, at the end of the day, you gotta, you gotta. There's a. There's a charge for it, very small, but you gotta keep the lights on and be able to make it make sense. But it really has evolved into like, guys that I'm really close with. And some of these guys I've never met in person.

[B]

That's cool, man. Yeah, yeah. Some of my closest friends I met online, you know, through Instagram.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And now we're like best friends. So it's a new era. You can use it to network.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. I think a lot. There's a lot of issues. How much of it is the testosterone problem? Do you think that's causing a lot of these issues? Men with low testosterone.

[A]

Oh, yeah, for sure. I think there's a lot of factors in this, but the low testosterone. You know, the building block for a healthy man is testosterone and vitamin D. You have to have those levels where they need to be at or you're going to be operating on empty, you know, and it's really hard to be engaged in anything that's meaningful when you, you feel like you're, you're just trying to fight to keep your head above the water. And I think that's where most guys are at. They're in survival mode. They're just trying to get through the day.

[B]

Yeah. Average guy now has the same T levels as our grandparents.

[A]

Dude, I went in and got, so I went in five, six years ago to get my T levels checked and they were like lower than an 80 year old, dude. Holy shit. I was like sub 250, bro. Dude, I was working out all the time. That was actually part of the issue too is I was doing a lot of long, like high endurance long distance training which spikes your cortisol and kills your testosterone.

[B]

Wow. Distance running is not the healthiest one.

[A]

No, not for your, not for your hormone levels, it's not. Yeah, it's really bad for them like you.

[B]

That's why they're all skinny and kind of look feminine, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean I was always like the big guy out there. I've always been a fairly big guy. But I still like my levels were so low but you know, I'd be in the middle of an afternoon every day and I'd like, I have to, I have to stop whatever I'm doing and take a nap. Damn, I can't function right now. So I'd like, guys, I gotta go 20 minute power nap or whatever. Trying to recharge just to get through the day.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

You know, then you're, you know, low testosterone just leads to a whole host of other issues. Like because you're just redlining all day. You know, you get to the end of the night with your kids and you're just trying to march them into bed as fast as you can. Just get the night over with so you can kind of let down your guard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I started taking testosterone. I would work through my doctor on that. Started taking testosterone. I kind of felt like I was back in college where I had that fighting shape again. I go into the gym, be like I'm looking to forward, forward to working out instead of just treating it like it was a chore.

[B]

You know, I was at 520 when I first Measured, which is slightly above average. Now I'm at 700. I'm playing way more basketball now. I feel better. I can work longer hours having better sex. Like, everything's just improved.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Like everything. You're mental, too.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You feel locked in everything. Everything in your drive. A lot of it's your drive. Yeah. Your ambition. You're, like, ready to go out and conquer.

[B]

It's like every man should watch the. They should measure their teeth. They haven't. I'm sure there's a lot of low numbers right now in the audience.

[A]

We'll go to good doctors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because a lot of doctors don't understand this. You got to go to doctors that understand hormones and where your levels should be at. Yeah.

[B]

A lot of the modern, like the. The ones insurance covers at least won't really give you in depth details of your blood work.

[A]

Right. And I think there's a whole reason for that. Like a rabbit hole to go down that. Yeah. We're supposed to be. We're the livestock. We're supposed to be sick and on the drip and eating bad food and making money for the powers that be.

[B]

I mean, they canceled Tate for that. Right. Saying all that. He's a little too early.

[A]

I think he's trying to wake up masculinity. And they threw everything at him, did him dirty, man.

[B]

Now he's banned everywhere.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Crazy. Have you been banned anywhere?

[A]

I got banned on. So. Well, I got Shadow banned on Instagram for talking about pharma. Big pharma. And I've had a couple of my posts taken down. Yep. Talking about that.

[B]

What happened to me? I got a strike on YouTube for a couple years ago. I feel like they're not as bad now, but I don't know about Instagram.

[A]

Well, you know, they got. They always got their finger up in the air. I like testing the political wins, and I think, you know, we can see that there's a big movement right now to get a. To wake up and see the matrix for what it is, using Tate's term, you know, see the matrix for what it is. And so I think they're trying to follow that as best they can while still pushing the propaganda.

[B]

Wow. So it's the pharma one. I thought it'd be you roasting a feminist or something. That'll do it.

[A]

No, dude, I've got no issues with feminism. I've never. Never had any. Any strikes for that. It was pharma. And then on TikTok, I got completely banned.

[B]

I'm banned on TikTok.

[A]

I was talking about Trump and they just shut it down. Like.

[B]

Yeah, mine was about Israel. I'll do it these days.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you can't talk about. Right. You can't talk about Israel. Right. This sucks.

[B]

So I had a big following there. But it's all good. Oh, man, it's all good.

[A]

That's crazy world we live in.

[B]

Well, I'll set up a debate with you, man. I got a lot of feminists that have been on the show, a lot of only fans, millionaire girls. I'd love to see you to sit down, see if there's any common ground.

[A]

Yeah, man, I love it. I'd be happy for a debate.

[B]

I think that's. That's where the show's heading more towards debates. And then I like to let the audience decide on how they feel. But I like to have both sides share their perspective on life.

[A]

Are you familiar with Jubilee?

[B]

Yeah, I've seen their one on 20s.

[A]

Yeah, I've gone to a few of those. Oh, yeah, I've been on a couple.

[B]

Who did you debate on there?

[A]

We didn't do the debates. They're doing the debates now. I'd be interested in doing that. We. I mean, they're kind of like debates. It's like you'd sit down and they'd pose a question and then you'd break up into different.

[B]

Oh, that was middle ground.

[A]

Middle ground. I've done that twice. Which episodes I did one on. I guess both of them were on parenting. So. One of them was on. One of them was on. Yeah. Like strict parents versus. Called it open range parenting.

[B]

And you were on the strict side.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, sort of. That was kind of like. I don't really consider myself a strict parent. I feel like I would use the word structured.

[B]

It's all relative. When I think of strict, I think of helicopter parent. Yeah, like up your ass type shit.

[A]

Just micromanaging everything you do. I don't do that with my kids, but I do feel like kids desperately need more structure than they have.

[B]

So you believe in like a curfew and.

[A]

Yeah. Having your kids home at a reasonable time, making sure they're getting up at a reasonable time, giving them a framework for. For life. That's actually going to work. Because, you know, when you start having kids, man, it's such a heavy responsibility and it is such a sacred responsibility. You are literally giving that child their framework for the rest of their life. Unless some crazy event transpires and they change course, you're setting them on A trajectory that's going to determine the outcome of their entire life. You know, there's a lot of research that shows kids make 10% or 10% more, 10% lower than what they're parents make. So even on, like, a financial level, they're going to follow whatever you do. There's also. I was listening to a psychologist talk about the nature of God and the idea of God and how children get their idea of God from their father, particularly. So their spirituality, their finances, everything that they go into this life with is going to come from you. So if you're not teaching them how to, you know, especially as a father, there's something different with a mother where mother just is always gonna pick them up and wipe their nose and tell them they're loved and try and shelter them. That's what women generally do. The feminine energy is about kind of protecting their children. You know, as a man, your job is to prepare them. Like, if I'm not getting my kids ready for life, then I'm failing as a father.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so there has to be structure for that. Yeah.

[B]

I don't consider that strict, to be honest.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. They invited me on, but I was kind of like, you know, on the different issues, kind of back and forth, forth on it. The other one that I did was one way was actually really cool. I got to bring my boy on there.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

It was a conversation with parents and their kids.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. And that was. It got really personal, actually.

[B]

Oh, wow. Yeah. And have you ever gotten that personal with your son like that before?

[A]

Yeah, to some extent. He opened up differently on that show.

[B]

Oh, wow. Yeah, he felt more comfortable, maybe.

[A]

Yeah. Interesting. It was really. It was a really cool experience for both of us. It was just me and him. We flew out to LA and Nice, you know, spent some time out there together and did the show.

[B]

And yeah, I love what you Jubilee's doing, to be honest. Even though they're pretty liberal and I'm conservative, but I love how they bring people together like that.

[A]

I agree, and I'm fairly conservative, too, but they do a pretty good job of presenting both sides and not trying to impose their view into the content they're making.

[B]

They should put you on a 1 on 20. Yeah, 20 feminists.

[A]

What? I talk with feminists. That'd be a knockout punch, after all.

[B]

Or maybe 20 single mothers, something like.

[A]

That, you know, because here's the thing with feminism, at the end of the day, I ask you, you've talked to feminists. I'VE talked to some. Have you ever met a happy feminist?

[B]

A happy feminist? Not off the top of my head.

[A]

I can't think.

[B]

They all seem like they have a chip on their shoulder.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

React emotionally.

[A]

So women have been weaponized by feminism and now they're in this victim mindset, this entitled victim mindset. And so you like, at the end of the day, is it working or is it not working? You gotta get to that. And it's like feminism isn't working, working for anybody. You know, 85% of men hate going into the workforce. And so why would a woman want to do that?

[B]

Well, 85%.

[A]

You said 85% of people working in America do not like their jobs.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

Yeah. So the system isn't working. Men show up and do it anyways because they have responsibilities. You know, they got to take care of their family, got to put a roof over their heads, they got to put food on the table, so they're willing to go do that. The idea that women would want to race into that, you've probably seen some of those where these women are like, who thought it was a good idea for us to work. They're all pissed off at feminism for creating this culture where women have to work now.

[B]

Well, these days I get it. Because it's hard to be a single income household.

[A]

Well. And it's because of a lot of this. Right. So the standard change when women came into the workforce, it increased the cost of everything. Right. You know, because there's more people making more money, so the cost of everything is going up. So it's a self inflicted wound.

[B]

Oh, wow. I never knew that. Yeah, that makes sense though. Holy crap. So basically, before women were working as much as they are, it was more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Attainable to.

[A]

Yeah, you won. You could have a single income household. Generally speaking, that was the case for the vast majority of people.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like our grandparents could do that. Right.

[A]

They could buy a house, they could pay it off in 10 years and, you know, they could have a decent living and live well with. With just one income. Yeah. My dad, his generation, the generations before that. Now you can't.

[B]

Hell no, not.

[A]

And a lot of that is because you have more people coming into the workforce, you got more money coming in. So with more money and resources not catching up to that, you're gonna have to pay more money for that.

[B]

Yeah. I think my grandfather on my dad's side was a farmer. Grandmother didn't even work. That is not possible anymore.

[A]

My mom never worked. My dad, my. Both my Grandparents, grandmothers, didn't work. My wife doesn't work.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And that was one of the things was really attractive to me, her not working. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because she's not in her masculine energy.

[A]

Well, yeah, partly for me, but mostly for kids. Like, I'm like, dude, I don't want, I don't want some daycare raising kids.

[B]

You homeschool them?

[A]

No, no, they go to school. I mean that's kind of like daycare. So they, they go to school. Homeschooling, I think is a great idea. I think that's a big project to break off and I think there's a lot of value. I have a lot of problems with public schools, but there's a lot of value in how to learn to develop friends. And the extracurricular activities, especially with sports and arts and stuff like that, I think is really important for kids. So it's kind of a two edged sword for me.

[B]

Yeah, I remember being younger and like we thought kids that got homeschooled were weird. Make fun of them. And now as I'm older, about to become married and a parent, I'm like, I would do it.

[A]

Yeah, well, and the kids are weird only because their parents are weird. It used to be weird to be a homeschooled parent, you know, like they were usually weird families where if you're put together as parents and you are engaged in your kids progress and preparing them, you're going to get them involved with other activities and stuff like that. So I think homeschool is a brilliant idea. The notion that, yeah, you just outsmart the teaching of your kids to the government is really uncomfortable for me.

[B]

Yeah, eight hours a day they're in.

[A]

That school and they're just being trained at the very, at the very best, best case scenario, they're being trained to be cogs in the machine. Right. Sit at a desk, shut up, do what you're told, regurgitate the information on the test. They're being conditioned. All their creativity is getting squashed out of them. All their interests are being, you know, smashed. And at worst case scenario, you know, schools are propaganda machines now.

[B]

And I think that will even get worse with AI I think now because allegedly you could get jobs from going to school, even though that's as we know. But now with AI, I don't think college degrees will even matter. I don't think these jobs are going to be around in 10, 20 years. By the time these kids graduate, none.

[A]

Of our jobs will, man.

[B]

Maybe podcasting, but yeah, I don't Know, we did.

[A]

We did a couple of reels. You know, I pop out reels on my content and we did a couple of reels. It was 100% AI.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Me speaking? Not me. I never said words. I couldn't even tell.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

And we were just testing it. We put. It was like a few months. It was like six months ago. We popped out two of them.

[B]

Just no one commented. Like, yo, wow.

[A]

I couldn't even tell it was me speaking.

[B]

That's nuts.

[A]

We were just messing around with it. So we. None of us are gonna. Whatever. Whatever the. This singularity event is going to be when AI is like, fully integrated into everything, it's gonna do everything any of us do better, so.

[B]

Agreed. Other than jobs with emotional aspects, I think.

[A]

I think it'll be able to mimic that.

[B]

You think it'll be able to mimic.

[A]

That's growing so rapidly.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's already mimicking. I mean, I'm having conversations with Chat, and it feels like a real conversation. In fact, I asked Chat a few months ago, I was at the airport, and I was just like, hey, Chat, I want you to be brutally honest with me. You know, tell me where my blind spots are at, you know, where you. Don't. Don't sugarcoat anything. I just want to know what your, you know, your AI opinion is on. Of who I am. And what it pumped out was really profound.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I was emotional.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

I got emotional. I don't really get emotional battle. I'm usually just hungry or tired. That's about the only emotions I show. I was like, got me in my feelings and stuff. And I'm like, this is AI Damn.

[B]

I need to try that promise.

[A]

It was crazy, man. Like, what's coming down the pipeline is going to change everything.

[B]

I mean, I had a guest on. He said his mother has cancer, and the doctor told him to go to this specific place to get the surgery done by AI By a robot, because it's more precise.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. Like that's already here. Like, that's. Those surgeries are already happening. I went to the dentist, they scanned my teeth, threw it into AI, showed me all my cavities.

[A]

I was listening. Who was I? One of the health experts on a podcast was just talking about recently how his prediction is, if we're alive in five years, that we'll be living to, like, 250.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah. Because AI will be able to calculate everything about you.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Everything in real. And prescribe what you need to have to be living healthy and long.

[B]

250 would be crazy.

[A]

250 years now you start reading stuff in the Bible and you're like, these dudes lived at like, 900.

[B]

Yeah, I've seen that. Maybe I've seen that. I don't know. You believe in that?

[A]

Living long?

[B]

No. Back in the day, people were living like, hundreds of years.

[A]

Well, the interesting thing about the Bible to me is that all of this stuff that people say is impossible, the miracles or the stories or whatever, they're becoming more and more real, you know, and you got these guys, like Graham Hancock and stuff, that are talking about this highly advanced civilization that existed Atlantis 12,000 years ago or 50,000 years ago, you know, that were able to build these pyramids and stuff to withstand the cataclysmic events that they foresaw coming with a meteor hitting. And I think, who was it that was talking about it being in Greenland? They found it where it hit the Earth so hard, it ushered in an ice age.

[B]

Oh, that's what caused the ice age?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. And it tipped the Earth. So, like, Antarctica has, like, fruit trees and stuff on it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. There's a great book you should read called Fingerprints of the Gods. Dude, it's by Graham Hancock. It's one of the most interesting books I have ever read.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

But it's kind of a really tragic, ominous sort of ending to it where it's like, you know, these or this advanced civilization knew that they were going to be wiped out, and so they were building these monolithic pyramids or temples to withstand that, to say, hey, we were here. And embedded in those things are, like, all of these secrets. I mean, like, the pyramids, the measurements of the pyramids, masses of the globe, they align with the star systems. They, like, point true north. Like, the way that they created them, it leaves behind a lot of clues. And then, you know, you got, like, the Library of Alexandria where they had. Dude, this is crazy. Like, it was like a map that was like 3,000 years old. That was a copy of an older map. And they had on that map in the Library of Alexandria, the coastline of Antarctica. Pre ice. Like, the land had already been. It already been navigated. And they had longitudinal lines on it. What? Yeah. You got to read this book. Go read the book. It's fascinating.

[B]

That's not.

[A]

We didn't discover longitudinal lines until, like, the 1700s. Jeez.

[B]

So they were way ahead of us, whoever lived here before.

[A]

Yeah. So then you say, hey, is it possible what happened in the Bible where it's like, we don't understand everything that's going on, you know, and I. With the scriptures. I'm a Bible reading guy. I read my Bible every day. I've gotten to the point where I just read the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Just kind of on repeat, because I'm just going to the best source I can for reading what Jesus had to say. But I'm not religious anymore. And I don't think Jesus was religious. I think he was very anti religion. I think religion is basically inserting middleman between you and God. All religion sells is exclusivity. You're on the winning team. Essentially, pride and shame. That's what religion sells. You're the bad guy. If you do X, Y and Z. If you're part of this team, we guarantee you a spot in heaven or whatever. And I don't have any use for religion, but what Christ teaches in the Gospels is like the most powerful framework I've ever seen. Proud to be a man, and he was more concerned about telling the truth than anything else. That's why they killed him. Yeah, they didn't kill him because he was the son of God. They killed him because he was telling. He was. He was a threat to the religious and the political establishment, and he was getting traction. And so, you know, they crucified him. He was setting people free. He was getting them to wake up like, dude, you don't have to follow these rules. Yeah, it's not gonna save you.

[B]

And now you're seeing that now history repeating. It's always, everyone telling the truth right now is getting canceled.

[A]

It's always been the case where, you know, Basil said this, he said that, you know, humans, we've evolved, that we want to be accepted more than we want to be honest. Wow, that's deep acceptance is more important than being honest.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I think the only thing that AI won't stamp out, I think the only saving grace humans are going to have in an AI world is authenticity. You have a completely unique genetic coding that has never existed before, never will exist after this. You have completely unique life experiences. I'm hoping that AI looks at all of us as art. I didn't create this. I could create everything else. AI. I could manufacture everything else. But you, me, everybody else. These are all such unique perspectives, data points to collect information from.

[B]

We'll see. We'll look back at this five, ten years from now.

[A]

If we're around.

[B]

Yeah, if we're around. Yeah. Well, Adam, it's been awesome, man. Where can people watch your pod and potentially work with you and all that?

[A]

Yeah. John, thanks for having me on the show. I post up a lot of content on my Adam Allard official page. That's where you and I linked up. But the Doughboy Nation is launching full launch 1st September, and then we've got a new podcast we just launched. Who started this fire? It's just guys sitting around a fire talking about guy shit.

[B]

Great idea.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, check them out, guys. Check out the pod. Peace. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.