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And the problem with tattoos is your brand, that that's just there. And if you're a woman, you know, they rise off of vanity. You, you really need to make sure that your look can be flexible instead of like a big black splotch, you know? So if you're a girl, absolutely. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No tattoos.
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All right, guys, today's guest has done more time in prison than your favorite rapper, made more money than your favorite business coach, 75 arrest, 10 years in PRISM, ADHD and autism. Jeremy Seagal. Thanks for coming on, man.
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A
Yeah, that's me. Sean, honestly, so happy you reached out today. I look up to you and everything you bring to the table and I'm really excited for you to give this audience some game on things they need to hear.
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B
You are one of the most interesting people I've ever met. Your energy is just. I've never seen that in someone. You know what I mean?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, have you always radiated this positive energy?
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A
I, you know, I really love that you said that because I was thinking about you today. We train for energy. You know, when we're young we realize that we like it. But also you're seeing that when we show up in these situations with that energy, we're literally creating the opportunities. So I would say if, if your move is to connect with people and build huge things together, you have to train for energy. So that's gonna be your workout, you know, eating the right food and yeah, I, I would say training for energy and not being afraid of it. And you know, most people, they're failing because they're not enough. But you know, usually when I fail, it's cause I'm too much and it's a lot easier to do a little bit less than to not have it going on at all.
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B
I also noticed this really stands out to me about you run headfirst into conflict, you're not afraid of it. You know, I think that's a skill. I don't know if that's teachable, but it's, it's really impressive to me.
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A
Sean, you do the exact same thing. That's why we're BFFs. It's just that the types of calm. Okay, I have a rule that if it's a, if it's an opportunity, a problem or a fear, it gets confronted immediately. And that's because we're self made. You know, nobody is giving us opportunities. Nobody's coming to. You can't scream and get your problem solved. You know, we need to go Handle it. So I think that most people, they tend to overthink and that's why they're missing all the best things in life. They're hesitating. So I have learned that if you can kind of get ahead of things and get on top of it, you can get that comfort. And you all, you always know, like, once you get in your rhythm, you're good, so why run from it? Chase that rhythm, you know?
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B
Yeah. A lot of people push their problems back, they procrastinate. But I think that just makes it worse. Right.
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A
Hesitation is, is the absolute worst thing you can do. People are always looking for answers and at the end of the day, the greatest failure you can make is inaction. And so when you're self made and you're going for everything and the world's got what you want, you can't hold back. You need to, you need to find things that you're looking for and then build a life in a circle that allows that, kind of provides that for you.
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B
You've recently explored the mental side of things. Recently being diagnosed with autism. Right. Was that last year?
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A
Well, so what I would say was, you know, growing up I kind of got pushed into different systems and different problems and opportunities, and I never really had the time to get formally diagnosed. I think that people who have all this long list things they have, those are, they're just trying to justify their failures. But I'm trying to solve problems, I'm trying to acquire and fix all the things that are on my path in life. And so there have been moments where I was able to slow down enough and get some formal diagnosis is because in reality I want to connect better with people. I'm not really worried about me being a failure. Like I'm happy with me, but I'm realizing that there's moments where I'm failing to connect. And in life, as long as in life we're one connection away from our dreams. So don't, don't run from what's going on with you. Understand it and then kind of play to your shrinks. So that, that was why I was getting diagnosed.
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B
I love that because a lot of people will get diagnosed with autism and then they'll see it as a negative. And I think these days it could be a superpower.
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A
I mean, I was with a doctor last night. The way they talk about dying diagnosis, they're usually more handicapping for me going to prison. I ended up in court diversion programs before I had to go to prison. So I was supposed to just do different therapies and stuff. And I realized that and go into all these therapy programs. I was being helped through the lens with which they know how to help, which is, which is through their life, through their problems, which are not my problems. I mean, I've never met somebody with my problems. And that's okay.
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B
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A
Not really worrying about the diagnosis, but more so, uh, what do I need to make that connection? How am I failing in my connections? And when it comes to autism, a lot of it is social cues and then. But to be honest, they said it's the adhd. So they, they say that ADHD is causing a lot more problems with the speed, you know. So for us, just learn to slow down. We're going to pick up on More social cues. Um, so, but yeah, getting diagnosed, I've been enjoying the process and not worrying about any kind of diagnosis. I'm, I'm trying to apply it into wherever we're in life.
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B
You got kicked out of autism therapy?
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Man, I, man, I, I really thought, I don't know if I told you, I'm like, man, I, I finally got a therapist that's going to work for me. I ended up in prison because I was going to these court ordered therapy programs and not always clicking. You know, these therapists, they want to break you down and fix you through how they know and, and the people they're dealing with. And so I was never connecting with therapists and I really was scared of therapy because it was ending me up in prison. So when I finally am, you know, have time and I'm doing some self help and I'm getting diagnosed, I'm getting into therapy and I get this diagnosis for adhd, autism, whatever, and they want to do some follow up therapy. I'm thinking, great, this is a safe place. We finally figured out, you know, somewhere I can get help or whatever. Or we finally figured out a way that it's a conducive environment. So yeah, so I ended up in autism therapy and it just the same exact thing. Autism issues are miss social cues. So when I was in these therapy programs, these therapists are trying to fix you and we're just, they're trying to understand where I'm at. But in reality, yes, I got kicked out of my autism therapy and I really thought that was it.
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B
Um, so it's interesting cause you say you struggle with social cues, but in order to survive prison, and not only survive, you were a leader in prison, you had to have some sense of social cues, right?
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A
Well, correct. I mean, I think that we're not really ever failing in life. We're just missing parts, you know. And so the social cues that I was missing typically are politeness cues. You know, it's just really slowing it down for the speed of others so that they can be comfortable. Most of the feedback that I get is like, hey, don't be so short with people. Don't be so direct. But in reality, success rewards time. Time is the only thing we're trying to make up for. And so the best way I can honor people is to get them where they need to go as quick as possible. And so I've never really worried about. And you too. We don't really worry about other people's feelings. We're trying to solve the issue at hand. And in prison you got to be real careful because missed social cues in there can ruin your life, you know?
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B
Yeah, no, that's been an issue for me because I, that's never my intention to hurt someone's feelings. Right. But because I'm so direct sometimes and you've probably experienced this too, my advice comes across harsh sometimes and they think it's a personal attack.
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A
Yeah. And, and I would say it's the person. You know, guys like us, we're not thinking about that because we're self made, dude. There's nobody that's coming for us. We have to be on top of everything. So the way feelings are really secondary and you are an expert. So when you're dealing with somebody, you're just trying to get from A to Z as quick as possible so that they can have the next move, you know.
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B
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A
It's kind of a. It should be filtering your circle by showing you who, who shouldn't be there, who cannot run with growth, who runs from it, you know, and if people are getting triggered and they're too sensitive to hear things and a diagnosis this and I was too short for you that they missed the moment because we only have so when you give me feedback, even if I disagree, I heard it and I want to kind of understand it because you're not wrong. You're someone that I need to see where that came from and I would never be upset with you sharing your best with me.
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B
Yeah, you've always been honest with me. You tell me if I got Food in my teeth, whatever. I appreciate that. If I got a booger or whatever.
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A
I mean, honestly, the things that I love to give my friends is strength. I don't want them to miss a beat. We know how it is in sales online. Everybody's coming off perfect. So you're only looking for that one little thing that kind of throws you off and then you run from that. So you want your friends to be perfect. In fact, a lot of it's kind of embarrassing, but like when I date girls, you know, well, when I enter into relationships, women around a lot of my friends, and they're always chit chatting with my friends, and I hear these girls say, jeremy, he's perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect. And I didn't understand that word at first because I'm not physically perfect. I'm not like resourcefully perfect. Right? I'm not perfect in the sense we might read a book or a model, whatever. But where I'm perfect is actions. Where I'm perfect is intent. Where I'm perfect is really seeking to understand where she's at and where she wants to go and then making that path. And that's what I would do for any of my friends, including you. So I'm really happy to be here today.
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B
No, I love that. I was just gonna ask about dating. So that's a good segue. Dating in Vegas, you know, walk me through that experience. What you're looking for. Do you care about money when it comes to the woman? Like, what's your, what's your process?
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A
I guess dating in Vegas, to be a girl, to date a guy like me. These girls, they're living their best life because a man who's showing up full needs so little, which is why I break up so quick, because I need so little, you know, but at the same time, people have a missed assessment of what the dating pool really is. Anytime you're in a bigger city, it's gonna be more difficult. But in reality, we're living in a digital world. So the way most men are failing in dating, it's because of the connection. Men didn't used to have to compete the way we compete now. We used to be able to compete with the car, with the house, with the business, with the friends. Right now, women have access to everything. Dating apps, social media. Every guy's got, you know, the jets, they all have the same stuff. So it's. So where men fail is they're showing up internally empty. And the reason that I thrive is I know where to compete. I don't compete off of resources. I'm not showing up with Louis Vuitton bag. I'm not jetting you out here. I will business class you right if I like you. But the point is this. Where I compete with women, where I compete with men against women, is mindset. It's journey, it's strength, it's power, joy, being on top of everything. I cook, I clean, I'm going to get him to the gym. And so dating in Vegas is excellent. You have access to people all over the world. Um, but it's just as toxic as, I would say LA or New York. And in reality, you just need to go through enough people and you have to manage your expectations. In Vegas, people are more easily misguided towards the more fun, pleasure filled, fleeting moments, you know. And if you're someone like me who's looking for more wholesome, you have to just kind of manage your expectations more. Which is why I fly girls in. Cause I'm not really concerned where they're at. I'm concerned with like, does she have the right qualities? Um, as far as things I'm looking for, same thing I look for in a man, right? But, but for real, it's the exact same thing. Most women are showing up so empty. That's why I don't date as frequently because it's so boring. It's such a low return. You're just pretty, you want to fuck. Like, I got a thousand of those. You got anything else?
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B
You know, looks isn't enough for you basically.
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A
Dude, I want a leader. I am addicted to women that make an impact and women that are a leader in her passions and pursuits. And you can find that anywhere. And you complain about it everywhere, but in reality, I'm starting with me. I'm showing up full and I'm coming ready to give you everything.
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B
Do you have like a checklist or do you have a set things that they need to check off for you to consider them a girlfriend?
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A
It's, it's, honestly, it's, it's so fundamental. So I used to have a list of like physical traits and maybe goals or whatever. But then I'm looking at my dating checker, my past. It's all different colors, sizes and financial backgrounds. So in reality, just like you, Sean, I want people that are playing full out. One of the girls I'm seeing, the girl that the only girl I'm seeing right now, no, I am kind of seeing someone right now and she's a little bit younger than I'd like, a little bit less experience than I like but she's all in on our conversations and on the knowledge skillset to move her life forward. And when I see her absorbing and applying, I go all in on people's ability and I go all out when I see limits. And I haven't seen her as yet.
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B
Wow. I know you go all out for your girl, which is impressive to me. Like you said earlier, you cook and clean. Typically that's the role of the woman, but you're doing that.
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A
Thanks. Yeah, prison habits, you know, they die hard.
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B
You know, I didn't want to talk some prison stuff too, because 10 years, I mean, was that all at once or no?
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A
So it wasn't all at once. Although at once is longer than probably anybody we'll ever meet. You know, I did go into prison with a longer sentence than most everybody. Not everybody there, but the prison that I went to was a max. Usually when you get sentenced, you start at a, at a, at a, at a maximum, and you work your way to lower security. And so when I went into prison this last time with a, with an 18 year term, it was actually just a little bit under 17 years of a term, six year minimum parole eligibility. So no, it was not all at once. My life involved from the time I was 18 and driving crazy and buying race cars and, you know, not paying attention to police, um, I racked up a lot of, you know, jail time, probation programs, house arrest, then, you know, it would be drug programs. But no, it wasn't all at once. And what I would say is, anywhere we find ourselves in life, we've got options. It doesn't have to be a bad situation. Prison, just like anywhere, can be the best thing that ever happened to us if we make the right moves. And that starts number one, get the, do the right research. So wherever I showed up, whether it was court programs or prison, I was very aware and I got a lot of information back to figure out the right next moves. And then also not being impulsive. I think my very first book, my very first chapter, Prison of Penthouse. The first chapter is called Slow it Down. Now you, you might think, hey, a guy with adhd, autism going a million miles an hour is preaching slow it down. But that's the truth. If we slow it down, we can grab everything and we can make the perfect next move. Always.
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B
Yeah, I know. You also have the 99.5 percentile for working memory too. So your brain's just non stop, right?
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It's, it's not that, you know, our brains are non stop, because they are, but it's the type. It's the way I process information is I happen to have an. One of the largest rams of a human possible. I'm in the 0.05 top percentile. So I can hold mass amounts of information and kind of work through it, you know, which is great for how I can write books and do lawsuits, and that's how all these things come about. But also learning where I miss so many things and learning to build a career and a friend and a social circle that allows me to play to those strengths and have a lot of different projects. So I can always just, you know, quickly go in and give people my max.
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B
Going back to lawsuits. You helped me with mine, so first of all, thank you. This man is a beast of lawsuits. But you stay so mentally sharp, it's super impressive because lawsuits can destroy people mentally, man. I mean, I'll be honest, I was getting anxiety from mine.
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A
He should call me faster.
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B
I know. I brought you in and you were like, this is nothing.
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Yeah.
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B
And it's just impressive to me that you have that mindset, because lawsuits really can make or break someone.
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Yeah, well, a lawsuit, it's just a fight, you know, and any fight. Most people, when they think about getting into a fight, they're going in there with their fears. They're like, this guy, he's gonna kill me. I could die. I could get my ass like I was with Bradley. And he's like, well, aren't you worried you're going to get hit in the nose? And I'm like, just the fact that that's your fear is why you should never get into a fight. But for me, no, I don't worry about the fear of not doing something or the. I don't worry about the fear of anything. Right. I worry about, for us, the best next move. And what I have learned in fight, the only way to win is that both people have to walk away with the max. That doesn't mean that you can't beat the shit out of someone. They can't lose. But you can't beat the F out of people because you'll. You'll end up losing. So in prison, the way I would get into these fights and then still have to live with people, it had to be a measured victory. And so knowing that you're going to be safe and you're going to be fine in these fights, as long as you're showing up full and strong and ready, you're not going to die. You're not going to get your ass kicked. You're not Going to lose everything. So when you come with a lawsuit, let's get more information. Let's call these guys, let's see what they. Let's see what it's going to take for both of us to move forward. And I swear to God. Aren't we, like, friends with those people now?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're on great terms.
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A
Great terms.
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B
Previously, you know, it was all bad.
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And they were like, forget you guys. And so communication, getting more information and then leading with good intent. You know, the reason people like us or the reason we connect, we reason, we rise fast, it's our hyper honesty. It's part of autism. We have an extreme sense of justice, and we really thrive. We like to find environments where we can let our guard down all the way. And then you. You realize nobody's doing that. So we're going through this world where everybody's got their guard up and you got these autistic kids with their guard all the way down. And maybe they're not coming out there with that precision, precision, power, but they're also not pushing everybody away like that. What we're doing is we're showing up and we're really trying to find, like, how we. How we build on the strength we came with so that everybody can win together. And the only thing that's keeping us from thriving forward is that first step, knowing it's going to be okay. And the reason you don't know it's going to be okay because you ain't done it, you ain't done it 50,000 million times. I live that world where I just always, if it's a problem, a fear or an opportunity, I confront that motherfucker immediately.
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B
Absolutely.
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You know, and then let's get on to the next one. There's a long list of things we got to get to.
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B
I also feel like, you know the mindset of lawyers really well, so you kind of understand your opponent, you know what I mean? But you know what they're thinking almost.
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A
You should know, whoever you're sitting aside from, you should know exactly what they're thinking. Whether it's your girlfriend, whether it's the police officer pulling you over, or a lawyer you're competing with. I mean, at the end of the day, it's a fight, right? And at the end of the day, I've been in more fights than in prison. I am known for having physically. People saw me get into more fights than anybody in there, right. On the streets, college, in business. I get into all these fights, but I'm never starting Them, Really? No. Well, only bullies start fighting. We see where bullies end up. Right. They don't go anywhere far. Right. If you want to go far, you got to take people with you, which means I'm bold enough to take that first step. But if I'm always just doing me, I'm just gonna get hate and people are gonna try to sabotage me. So I learned in prison the way I was able to get out of prison was I had to bring people along with me. Oh, I really know the mindset of lawyers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was really. It's a very good point you bring up. So when I first started to work for law firms, I was very intimidated back in the day. I mean, now we have AI and the Internet, but back in the day, it was all asymmetrical information. So you really were like scared about things that you didn't know because it didn't exist. Whereas for me, I had to learn quickly. Like in talking to these lawyers and doctors and prisoners and whoever. It was like, we're all the same now. Now that we're on the same level. The question is, what's, what's the core issue? If it's a lawyer, they're going to try to outlawer you. So what do we need to do? Go get more information. So if we're always going to get information. I'm sorry, if we're always going to go get more information, we're always showing up with a good idea of what should happen. The next question is rhythm, right? And now we're talking negotiation. The greatest negotiations win with the right rhythm. They're never like a pickup line, you know, where it's very tactical. What I have Learned in businesses, 90% chit chat jibber, bold shit talking at the end. Get to the point, but get that rhythm going. We like each other, blah, blah, blah, you know, now go for it. When I started doing that with lawyers and anybody else that was difficult, I knew I no longer had to fear the process. So that's why now it's not really about confronting. It's more like I'm excited because people don't realize how easy this is going to be.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Now is it going to be easy? We're going to be fudgeing, celebrating at the end, dog.
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B
Yeah. It's almost like you humanize the lawyer. You don't fear them anymore. You treat them like a normal person.
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A
Everybody's normal person. In fact, you will find most people will fear you. They're like coyotes, dude. They're so Much more afraid of you than they are. Than you are them. You just are going in, focused on all the wrong things. It's like if you're a killer and you've. And you've been doing the work, you've got this just. And if you don't know, say you don't know, take the time, take a pause, say, hey, let's process this, or, that's interesting. Let me go learn about that. But, like, you don't need to show up with fears.
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B
Absolutely. Something you taught me when we were negotiating my settlement. This is really stuck with me. You kept bringing up leverage, and I was like, yeah, they have the leverage here. But now in my everyday life and in business, I always think about, okay, how can I get some leverage? It's really important. Right?
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A
I love that you said that. I'll be honest. I mean, we haven't really talked about. We never really reflect. We're always so busy. And I appreciate you reflecting. Give me some feedback and leverage, and I think what you'll learn is the leverage that we have in life. Number one, it's timing when apply, and then number two. So number one is timing, and the number two, it's relationships. You know, too often we think that the leverage is force, but in reality, we're all on this rock together. You know, success is a measure that. That the community awards you so and so. So knowing that leverages timing and leaning on relationships, leaning on the fact that we can all win together and people are willing to pay a premium to win together rather than to get a little more, you know, at the loss of someone else.
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B
Yeah, no, relationships are super important for me. I mean, you're all.
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You're a hundred percent relationship with. With the industry, with the community, you know, and that's how you thrive. Yeah. No, no one handed you your success, your parents, your schooling. You know, I remember you starting your podcast. It wasn't a book you read, it was you going to figure it out and then making the calls and then putting people together.
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B
Yeah, you were one of my first guests. But, yeah, it's all about relationships. People wouldn't come on if I didn't have strong relationships. You know, there's millions of podcasts. Why are they coming online?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And you've done well with that. I mean, you're dealing with billionaires, you're dealing with all sorts of cool people. The guys running F1. I mean, hats off to you for building that network.
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Yeah. Sean, honestly, the. This is what frustrates me in life is I'm Watching all these people go through and they're just, they're complaining, they're miserable, they're upset. You know, they're. They have all these fears, and it's like, man, we are one everybody in life at every fucking time, we are one connection away from our fucking dreams. One connection away. And when you're one connection away, then why aren't you learning to connect? Why aren't you perfecting the art of connecting? You know? And that's, for me, I have learned that trust is the foundation for relationships. You know, if, if, if a meteor was going to hit the fucking world in 10 minutes, Sean, you got 10 minutes until we're all dead. You're picking that phone up, I guarantee, first you call your girl, then you call your mom, right? You're going to call your family first because of trust. And so when trust is the most important thing in relationship, why aren't we leading with that? And what does it look like to lead with that? Number one, I showed up with good information. Everyone else is showing, you know, this. Everyone who shows up in life with everything they heard, and they want to advise you on what they heard. And what about this? And what about that? What about what you did? What about what worked for you? And you're a guy and that figures out what works for you. And that's what you preach on. I figure out what works for me, and that's what I preach on. And so as far as relationships, we're showing up to our relationships with, with our expertise. We're also, we're quick to throw unsolicited advice. You know, we're just giving you our take. Most people, they're just so afraid of losing everything by saying the wrong thing. They say nothing, you know. And when you learn to bring expertise with good intention into relationships, see at the top, absolutely.
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B
And to add on to that, I think a lot of people are inherently selfish. I don't know if that's a survival thing or something, but that's why it's hard to build relationships right now, I think.
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A
Yeah. And we go a step deeper. People are selfish, but in reality, it starts with self. So I, you know, a good analogy is how everybody's like the chit chat, small talk. We, we hear a lot of negative stuff, you know, or like we're kind of. I go. And people are so quick to jump on negative rather than positive. Why? Because negative is easy. Selfish is easy. It starts with us. Negative is just. I just look around and be like, oh, look how cold it is. That sucks. And look, you know, they just complain. They just complain. They just look around and they complain about things they see. Selfish. It's so easy just to enjoy things that I enjoy. But that's not life. Life is what we build together. Life is how we move forward, and we're better together. So if you're not putting the effort into positivity and the effort into how we do this better together, then you're always just going to be that fake person online, you know, spin around at the bottom, full of misery, where guys like us, we're just trying to help the next person and stack them. Stack along the way.
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B
I love it. You plan on getting any more tattoos? Finish the sleeves up.
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A
That's so funny you say that. So I get a lot of people that ask me about my tattoos. I have a lot of insecurities about my tattoos. I think this money sign is stupid. I mean, it really is. This is a. Well, so some context of my tattoos. There are 100% prisoning. So I never. I never had a tattoo before I went to prison. I always thought people in prison or. Sorry. I always thought people with tattoos and, like, showing it off. I thought I was kind of corny, you know, but then when I went to prison, I was stuck there. And I wasn't in, like, a. A minimum where you're running around, I'm in cells. You're just sitting there. You're just sitting there and trying to die. And every once in a while, if you get enough respect, you got tattoos. And I got all my tattoos in prison. They were all measures of success and. Or who was finally able to put hands on me or things that I could get, which I got. I did get Jew stars from the Aryan Brotherhood.
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B
Wow.
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A
Yeah. Those are actual gifts. But just because I was a solid dude, super solid, and. But your question was the tattoos, Am I going to get more? All my tattoos are prison ink. So they were made with, like, you know, how we make our ink and how we make the gun, and they're very special, and I wouldn't want to, you know, cloud that. So I think right now, having 100% prison ink, let's keep it that way.
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B
Love it. Thoughts on women with tattoos. Is that a turn off for you or do you not care?
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A
So it's. I love that you asked that question. I think that in life, until we're old and ready to die and we have everything, I think we need to be. I think we need to be adjustable. We need to be a chameleon. We need to be able to make changes. And the problem with tattoos is you're branded. That. That's just there. You no longer can go from this to that to this to that. And if you're a woman who really. Who women are, you know, they rise off of vanity. You. You really need to make sure that your look can be flexible instead of, like a big black splotch, you know? So if you're a girl, absolutely. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No tattoos. If you already got them, great. I think they look beautiful. But. But just wait. Just be patient. Cute little ones, little ones you can hide up great, you know, but even as a man, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be, you know, getting tattoos that are going to limit your opportunities in life until you get there. Hey, when you've got the kids and you've got the career, you want to get a sleeve. You know, I. In prison, I always wanted the neck one. Fucking looks so sick. There goes my job searches. You know, that's a good point.
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B
There is a lot of judgments when you get tattoos, especially from corporate people, you know, like, I don't give a shit. But, like, if you're trying to get a corporate job, they definitely take notice of that.
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A
Why did you never get tattoos?
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B
Never called to me. Plus, now that I learn about what's.
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A
Actually in the ink, isn't that crazy? I'm watching people from your podcast talk about, like, all the risks we're running from being tatted up and the cancers and stuff.
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B
Yeah, well, there's probably none in that, but the modern ink. Yeah, a bunch of heavy metals and terrible stuff.
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A
So we made this ink by burning. Making, like, a candle out of baby oil or Vaseline and then, like, a mop thread and then lighting that on fire. So we have, like, an oil candle, then put a brown paper bag overnight and then scrape the soot in the morning. So I guess the base of burnt baby oil or burnt vaseline, if somebody can look and let me know if I'm. I got cancer coming up, that'd be cool, right?
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B
Well, you're pretty preventative with health. You're doing good with that, too. So with the blood work and everything.
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A
Sean, I know that's probably the most of what we talk about, and that's. That's why I love you so much, because to me, you're an athlete. Like, first and foremost, I'm realizing my best friends are athletic. They will go, go, go, number one. Number two, they're flexible, man. They're flexible in their health. Meaning, like, if they found out tomorrow that this water versus that water, they're going to that water. So for me, I'm all about bringing strength into everywhere I go. Because when I was younger, I used to bring pleasure, I used to have fun, and I suffered. I went to prison and I racked up a long criminal record. Whereas now I've realized, like, if I'm showing up with my max performance, I'm going to be in a better position to lead other people toward their next best move. And so for many years now, I've just been dialing in my posture, my hydration, my nutrition, my fitness to make sure I can lead by example. And now the end result, I've got more testosterone than guys my age. I'm probably double as strong as men my age. I work out probably a third as men my age. I do eat really well, but I probably cheat about 20% eating whatever I want. I do zero cardio. So the point is pickleball? Well, correct. I mean, I. Even in my workouts, I'm getting out of breath. But I. But the fallacy of like treadmill, you know, StairMaster and having to do all these things for us to look the way we look. I got a fucking eight pack with no cardio, you know? Yeah. Like, how come no one's talking about that? Right? And so when with guys like me and you, we're just trying to make a big impact fast and long term, you know, hey, because if I want to fast, I do steroids. But that's the other thing too, you know, These guys already, they're all taking testosterone therapy, they're all leveraging these supplements. And it's like, dude, if you pay attention to posture, right, and you really go in there with precision and you eat a lot better and drink water, you're going to look like a fucking boss. And you have to put none of those toxins or bullshit through your body.
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B
I agree. I'm not a fan of trt. You are one of the best people I know with I. I think you pay 200amonth for the top chat Vegas.
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A
Matt, thanks for sticking with the.
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B
But I want to ask like, how you're using it, what your advice would be to people watching this.
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A
Yeah. So men are known, you know, this the history, or I don't want to say the history, but men are really known for. If we need help, we like to do it ourselves. We don't want to pull over and ask for directions. Right. And that's the thing with AI, you want to get so good about asking for everything you want to ask it, everything you've ever thought, any strategy you have, just for refinement. And I use AI for research and refinement. The things that I refine is going to be my health, my. My health, my business, my branding, my relationships. And so the way I'm using AI is for feedback. I want to know, like, should I phrase this differently? How does this logo look? Here's a picture of my breakfast. What. What should I have eaten differently? Right. So because I'm asking everything, number one, I'm getting a lot better information. So now I'm showing up to all my conversations as an expert. Medical, legal, relationships, business. The second thing I'm doing AI is I'm using it for speed. So I'm taking other people's information and I'm refining it through. Through how I know to use AI. And I'm giving them impact actions now and also the perspective. So they're getting perspective and they're getting actions. And now guys like us are becoming leaders because I feel like AI is a contact lens for adhd, autism, you know, and so if you're not leveraging and just starting, you're not just asking all these questions, you're missing out on the leader and the man or woman you're supposed to be.
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B
AI is phenomenal, so I'll share how I'm using it, too. I did my blood work last few months ago. I put it into AI, gave me a blueprint game plan on how to improve all my deficiencies. I put contracts in there and asked for ways on how I could get screwed. I want to 10x the revenue this year from 1 million to 10 million. I put that in a chatgpt. It gave me some phenomenal advice on how to increase business revenues. I mean, if you're not using AI daily, you're messing, you're losing, you're falling.
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A
Behind, you know, for you, like, how does AI make you a better human?
- [36:35]
B
I've done relationship stuff there. So in dating, I've asked for advice on, like, cute date spots, how to have better conversations, more meaningful conversations, how to be there when she's upset.
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A
Wow.
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B
Because, yeah, I have autism. So, like, I'm not. Emotions are not my strength, as you know, so I can help me with that. Friendships, you know, how to have meaningful conversations.
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A
Yeah. And using AI, like, is it like, what have you become an expert in? And then what have you, like, what weakness have you walked away from with AI?
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B
Oh, expert in. It's really good for summarizing podcasts and audiobooks so I'm just an expert in learning faster, so.
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A
Exactly. And let that be the message. AI is not where you go to create your dream world. AI is where you go to refine your expertise. And I love that you're doing that and. Exactly. So for me, I'm using AI for all my branding, all of my relationship stuff, but really, perspective. I'm. So now I've learned to. Just when people are sharing their ideas or I'm in core or I'm out, I'm. I'm transcribing, I'm grabbing the conversation because most people were putting too much time into typing out that perfect prompt. But in reality, you AI wants guidelines. It kind of wants the full conversation. Just talk, just. Just record that conversation. Put that into AI. Use that for some direction on where you're going, and then do some research, go deep, become an expert, all that fun stuff.
- [37:56]
B
Absolutely, yeah. You be recording our phone calls.
- [37:59]
A
Fuck yeah. I'd be telling you, though, so don't act like I'm a creeper.
- [38:03]
B
No, it's smart. Because then you'll throw it in there.
- [38:04]
A
And then, boom, I'll record a call. And within three minutes of that call, people will have their dream plan.
- [38:12]
B
Hmm.
- [38:12]
A
They will literally have a plan to. To fix their biggest problem or make the have their biggest success a minute after hanging that phone call up because of transcripts. You know, success rewards speed. Yeah. And honestly, AI is for clarity. Right? Take all that chaos, get that clarity, and then take that step.
- [38:36]
B
You are one of the best people controlling.
- [38:38]
A
You're giving me so many compliments. Seriously, I love you, dude. And there have been times in the past where I' asked you for, like, insight. I'm like, oh, who is Jeremy to you? Or some comments. And you always give me junk dog. Like, you always give me just the most basic feedback. I'm like, really? Well, because, like, in the moment, you give me the best stuff, but when I call you out on it and you have to think, and it's like, so today. But today you're giving me gold dog. And like, I love you.
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B
I'll work on that. That's my autism.
- [39:02]
A
But no, no, you're not doing anything wrong.
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B
You're good at really good at controlling your emotions. I've actually never seen you get angry once. I've known you for four years now. Is that something you've always had or did you develop that?
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A
It's called prison dog. If you get angry at the wrong time, you're dead. And I'm not. I'm not even making that up. I mean, my first book, Prison at Penthouse. The whole conclusion dedicated to my best friend Mitch, who was just recently murdered in prison.
- [39:24]
B
Damn.
- [39:25]
A
You know, the prison I was at, you know, holy crap. The prison that I was at, I was at a few of them, but the main one, the max, I mean, I watched multiple people die. It was just a normal thing. I mean, thank God there's all these gunners there because when the guns go off, people stop stabbing a lot faster. But your question was how I control. And yeah, you know, when you're younger and when you're not privy to consequences, you're just kind of loud, you're just a protest, you're just making noise. You're a child. Right. But when you go into systems of accountability, you know, especially when there's life is on the line, you tend to get real good, real fast. And for me, I didn't want to survive prison. I wanted to thrive because I needed to get home. I wasn't supposed to be there. I couldn't just go with it. But I also didn't want to die. I. So I had to always push, but be relative. And so I really learned to be a lot more aware and to kind of, like I said, chapter five of my first book, be seen from Afar. And it's always like you always doing the right thing and other people kind of seeing you. And this way when you do connect with them, they're already kind of knowing where you're at. And your question was how I control myself. And that's because, number one, the control starts with what you put into your body. So I control what goes out because I control what goes in. What goes in is man. All my disciplines, right, all of our nutrition, all that perfect posture, all that when I go to the fucking gym and I do my 10 pound dumbbells when I can really hit hundreds, but I stick with those tens until I get that perfect form, you know, and that's what every conversation is. It's so easy to get emotional, upset fast, and now you're actually fighting. And the reason I don't get emotional because I know what a fight is and I'm ready to go for it. And I love it if you have the opportunity to fight and there's no rules and like you really can go for this and you're a man, it's, it's pretty exciting that you don't have a lot of opportunities with no consequences like that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But also we're all going to be bleeding afterwards. He said, do you want to do that. I'm. I want to be flossing right now, and I want to have a good rest of my day. I don't want. I don't want to make it emotional. And then also, I recognize that when people are getting emotional, most people can't fight. Okay. When you're getting emotional, I'm just seeing your weakness. So I'm gonna be even quieter and kind of slow it down a little more and let you kind of get it out, and then totally just take back control of the narrative. And that may be what you were referencing when you said how I interact with these lawyers, because I don't care about all the noise and all the toughness, because I got the position. I got the manhood, I got the relationship skills, and I know that we're gonna figure this out in a way that we're all happy moving forward. And because we're moving at that speed, there's nothing to be emotional about.
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B
Yeah, I love that. You also are. Are good at putting your ego to the side. You deal with a lot of what Ego. Now you deal with a lot of ego with lawyers and in the gym with these bodybuilders or whatever, but you're good at kind of putting yours to the side.
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A
Yeah, ego. Pay attention to your ego is the fastest way to go to the bottom. It's the longest life sentence to stay at the bottom. Um, it's an early death sentence. Ego will take everything and give you nothing. Literally gives you nothing. Because. Because you have to compete with people. Right. And. And you don't want to just kill everybody around you. You want to bring people with you. You want people to be better for our time. Not so much anymore. What I feel creeping up is the byproduct of, like, maybe some humor, because I'm like. I'm assessing. I'm like, you know, but also, like, you're talking to a guy that has stared death down in the face at the highest level. I'm talking about in prison, the biggest guys that would also bring weapons to try to kill me. And that just was, like, a thing that I'll deal with, and that wasn't my first or my last. You know, I've been in fights since. I've been in a lot of fights before, but. Yeah. So I have learned to focus on the outcome. Right. And the outcome for me and you, it's always like, where's Sean going? Because I know the farther Sean goes, the farther I go. So I always kind of want to see where you're at. How to support you. And if I'm having a problem with people in the community, if I were to have an ego, I would lose everything. And in reality, it's got nothing to do with my ego. It's got to do with the outcome, which is like, me and this dude need to be safe together. And I wouldn't mind making some money off that guy too, if that's an option. So how can we stay level headed and just really hear what the core issue is and then show the agreement and then how we're going to move forward? But as far as ego, Ego in the gym, that'll get you hurt. Ego in prison, that'll get you killed. Ego with cops, that'll get you arrested. I'm just not really seeing where ego is ever a good thing. It's really an amateur thing to people that are used to cheap attention.
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B
I love that. Yeah, that's great advice. A lot of people need to keep their ego in check.
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A
Dude, I was really bad on the podcast at first. That's so interesting, the throat being tense. So the very first time I spoke on stage, it was like that for like 20 minutes.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it was awkward, but I wasn't nervous. I just didn't know how to make go away.
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B
It might be your body, it might be something with your subconscious. Maybe you have some trauma from speaking out in prison.
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A
Maybe it was that time. Yeah, no, honestly, it's. It's what I have learned. Guys like us, we have what that all that energy is that anxiety. So there's parts of your brain that might be closer that are sparking, you know, like static and causing more anxiety. So like I personally get crippled anxiety. I just know how to get through it. And I get through it through breathing because I'm not nervous. I'm just A, not breathing and then B, how I calm down on your show today was, I think the question started to be more relative and I had to really think about the answer and then it was gone.
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B
That makes sense.
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A
So let that be a lesson. Don't think, do, don't overthink.
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B
Yeah, let's dive into that more though, because you're one of the most confident people I know. But you also struggle with anxiety. So what do you think is the root cause of that for you?
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A
For anxiety?
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B
Yeah.
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A
The fact that we're fucking everywhere. We're not supposed to be, dog. Right. We're trying to come up, homie. We. We are take. We are taking steps and we are in the rooms or where God did not design us to Be.
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B
Yeah. So you got high expectations. You think you're just hard on yourself, and then you get anxious.
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A
I'm so sorry. Yeah. Where does anxiety come from? Anxiety comes from. It's. It's a speed of the mind. If you look at jocks and, like, you know, the really handsome guys, like, in college, like, they're slow. They can look. They can just look at you in the eye and just kind of be sexy, you know? Whereas guys like us, it's this speed, right? And so you never really have a chance to breathe. And as soon as we realize, like, a slow, deep breath, we can get ahead of the situation. Because since we're not nervous, we need to focus on the outcome. And the only way we can focus on the outcome is if we can let go of the noise through calming our, you know, our breathing and then the speed of our mind.
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B
I agree. I'm learning how to become a better speaker right now. I'm taking courses and using AI, and one of the big things they say is to take a pause when you're talking, because I like to talk super fast. I just get excited. But the best narrators in the world, the orators in the world, all take pauses.
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A
Orators, I love that. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they say in marketing, white space, sales, and then also, nobody that you're talking to has the speed that you have in your mind. And so the. The. The space, the. The silence that you're giving is just room for them to absorb. And that's really what it is. When we talk to each other, you can't talk fast enough. Like, we already got it.
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B
But.
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A
But. But everybody else, when you're trying to deliver a message, you have to go at a speed that's absorbable. And again, all conversation and communication, negotiation, it's rhythm. It's a song and a dance, you know, and that's why it's not about the best openers, the best positions. It's like, dude, you look great in that blue. Or like, man, how'd you get that shoulder, Muscle Dog, you know, it's. It's personalizing. It's seeing what moves them in life as a man and knowing that we're good. And, yeah, we've got this issue we're gonna figure out, too, but we're good. And that's that rhythm, and that's what that silence or that pause does. It allows people to get back in the rhythm.
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B
Absolutely. Jeremy, what's your main focus for the rest of this year?
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A
Man, My main focus for the rest of this year is I really want to start making content to give people my exact specific insights for my shortcuts because I'm realizing the way I solve problems and rise in life. I have so many I have endless shortcuts and things that I put into place and so I am I'm going to be making content educate people on elevating their life quickly. I want to be supporting my best friends so for Vegas Matt I writing him a book but I want to be there for you and for my other friend to see how I can add value to your guys's operations and then just be present for things that come our way because I never know where my big money's going to be. How did I know coming out of prison, homeless and broke that I was going to make millions building law firms? Never fucking knew. Just a good ass dude being present.
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B
Prison to penthouse, prison to everything. We'll end it there man. If you want to talk to him we'll link his Instagram below. Thanks for watching guys. Peace.