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DreamRare
Republicans hate the Democrats. Oh, we can't do what we want because the Republicans are in. Oh, we can't do what we want because the Democrats are in. And they love that stuff because it's like, oh, we don't have the House. We don't have the Senate. That gives them an excuse. What's Republicans excuse? Now they have the House, the Senate, the presidency, the popular vote, and they're not even doing that much. Then when Democrats win, they're gonna. So the whole, like, left and right paradigm is so fake.
Sean Kelly
Foreign.
Guys, we got anomaly. Here we are at Student Action Summit. What's new with you, man?
DreamRare
Life is good. Thanks for having me. And good to see you here.
Sean Kelly
Yeah. A lot of conspiracies these days, dude.
DreamRare
Every. It's funny because growing up, I guess I was considered a conspiracy theorist because I didn't trust George Bush. I, you know, I wasn't lib tired where I, like, hated America, but I thought they were lying about the wars and everybody hated me. And it's. It's sad to see that a lot of the conspiracies I thought were true that I was hoping weren't true actually were true.
Sean Kelly
Yeah. And now it's, like, almost a compliment to be a conspiracy theorist. Before, it was like, you were a villain.
DreamRare
When I was in high school, I don't know if it's because of where I lived, but everyone thought I was, like, crazy. And now it feels like the conspiracy theorists are almost like, above 50%. You know, it's gone from, like, dude, less than 5% of the population to above 50%. Some people get carried away, and that's an issue. But, you know, I can't say I'm, like, that mad at it because everyone was normies back in the day. They're like, we gotta go fight the war on terror for George Bush. I was like, he's a puppet of the bankers. And they're like, no, he's not. He's a patriot. I was like, all right, we'll see.
Sean Kelly
It was pre Internet. We didn't have access to as much information with ease.
DreamRare
Right.
Sean Kelly
So I. I guess it was harder to be convinced back in the day, 100%.
DreamRare
I mean, they had the television stations, they had the radio, and that was like 99.9% of what people listen to. So it was way easier to control the narrative.
Sean Kelly
Yeah. What was the first one that really you dove down the rabbit hole, I.
DreamRare
Guess, and definitely 9, 11. Just the fact that like it happened. We went to war and, you know, I felt the wars were unjust. I watched documentaries about them. I listened to independent hip hop artists like Jedi Mind Tricks. There's a song with Ra, the Rugged man, who. We're kind of friends now, but it's like he's a little more left leaning than I am. So it's like I can't tell if he likes me or hates me, but he's always responding. My story. Shout out Ari the Rugged Man. Great artist I'd love. I chatted with him before, but it's like they did a song called Uncommon Valor where they talked about the Vietnam War and just basically how it was a lie. So I got some of my true suit through independent rap music, like, you know, indie labels and stuff.
Sean Kelly
And back when rap was not compromised. Right.
DreamRare
Yeah, I mean, it was still compromised then, but I guess they just had a few indie labels that didn't censor people as much. So I. I think it's. I think the industry's always been controlled, but there, you know, there's always going to be artists and people who. Who cut through the cracks, make it independently and. And do their own thing.
Sean Kelly
Yeah. Do you think Kanye's part of that or do you think he got out of it? Where do you. Where do you see him standing in all this?
DreamRare
I mean, it's interesting with Kanye because there's so many opinions on all sides. People who think he's this and that. I don't think. I do think that he's doing his own thing. You know, I. I don't like. Some people are like, he's doing this because he's trying to make this look bad. I think he. I think he's someone that was well connected, really successful, always kind of a maverick. And he's just that guy that, like, you know, I don't think they wanted him to steal the mic from Taylor Swift, but I think he was drunk and thought Beyonce's video is better. And to be honest, Beyonce's video probably was better. Like, I'm not a Huge Beyonce or Taylor Swift fan. But Single Ladies was. Was an iconic video is the video. I mean, I still remember the dance to this day, and I've never done it because I'm not a woman trying to get, you know, so I think he's. I think he's having a journey of his own, you know, for. For the better or worse. But I don't. I don't agree with the people that think he's trying to do something. I think he's just. I think he's winging it. And, you know, it's. He's definitely somebody that's interesting. And rap too. A lot of people, they just say the same things over and over, and it's so boring, and it's so like fake woke or fake deep, you know? So with Kanye, he's always been a maverick. Him wearing a MAGA hat, him going on snl, there's nobody like him. He's definitely like a.
Unique person in hip hop.
Sean Kelly
Shout out to Kanye. He was one of the first on the, like, the anti Israel stuff too. I feel like, to really speak out about it.
DreamRare
Maybe in rap, it's hard to say, but I think in rap, yeah, and rap, he was what they would call anti Semitic before the war broke out. So I think before the war broke out, it was. It was more uncommon. After the war broke out, there's a spotlight on it. Israel retaliated, and there was a lot more dissidents. I guess it's not something I want to be known for, but I feel like I got called anti Semitic in 2019 before Kanye, just for noticing that American politicians were passing hate speech laws in America. Trump and Desantis, you know, I'm registered Republican. They were both passing hate speech laws. And I read the law.
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Go code yourself.
Pause. And it said, you can't say these people own banking. You can't say they have dual loyalty. You can't say that these people killed Jesus. And as a Republican, I was just like, I don't agree with speech laws. I believe in the First Amendment. You know, I'm Italian, I'm Polish, I'm Puerto Rican. I don't think my people need special laws in America. It's so anti American to demand special racial or religious speech loss for yourself. So I got blacklisted from a lot of Republican media back then and you know, shout out to Turning Point. They're very nice to me now, or at least some people are, and I appreciate them and I'm grateful. But the first time I tried to come here, you know, they called me and said, you can't come. We saw your tweets. This is like years ago. But then somebody called me again and said, you can come. You know, somebody vouched for you. So I was allowed to come. But it's like I was unfortunately before a lot of these people not to brag, and I don't think it's a bragging point, but I, I just noticed these things. And you know, the, the term anti Semitic comes, comes at you really quick when you're challenging anything Israel. And for me, it was nothing against the country, the people. It was just. I don't believe in hate speech laws and I don't believe that one group needs hate speech laws. And in fact, not to ramble on, but I told people in 2019, like, I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm right. And if, you know this is not going to go away. And it's like everything I said came true where now there's more dissidents, people are more taking it further. And not that that's a good thing, but I knew this was going to happen if they didn't allow moderate, reasonable dissent. And the Republican Party and just in general politics has not allowed that. But now with Twitter, social media, the war breaking out, it's becoming very much more common to dissent against the pro Israel narrative.
Sean Kelly
The og Anti Semite. I did not know that about you. I'm not.
DreamRare
It's not something I. And I don't think I'm a hateful person. In fact, even I'll say this, dude, when I used to say stuff, I'm like, if you watch all my podcasts, you can't even, like, they'll be like, oh, you're critical of Israel. Not really. I'm critical of American politicians. Israeli politicians owe me nothing. Israelis owe me nothing. I like a lot of Israelis, but it's like, I don't vote. I vote for Donald Trump. I vote for Republicans. These are my representatives. So even if you watch all my videos, despite how many times I've been called an anti Semite, I don't. I'm actually a thousand times more critical of Republicans, my own party, my own country, my own people, than I am of them because they don't owe me anything. It's the people that are supposed to represent us that aren't so.
Sean Kelly
Well, that word has lost its meaning for sure.
DreamRare
And it's. It is what it is. I knew it was going to happen, but it's. It's shocking to see that nobody cares anymore.
Sean Kelly
Yeah. And speaking of being critical of Republicans, a lot of division on the Republican side right now. The most I've probably ever seen, I think, my lifetime. Because of the Epstein stuff, because of the wars. Like, it's pretty crazy, right?
DreamRare
It's. In a way, it's good because some people will say we can be divided. The Democrats aren't divided. But in another way, it's like, we need to have conversations. And I've been waiting for people to be more critical of Trump. I like him better than Democrats, but I would say I think that he's overrated among Republicans and underrated among Democrats, where Republicans think he's a God or an idol and they worship him, but the dude is not really as great as people think. And I voted for him this term. Yeah, the first term. There's an Israeli spy named Jonathan Pollard that was in jail because I believe he stole American secrets, pretending to work for us. Gave him to the Soviet Union, but he was working for Israel. On that note, he was under Trump. Trump pardoned his handler to make sure his handler never got in trouble. Maybe his time was up, but he flew back to Israel on Trump's biggest donors yet, the Adelson family, and got a huge hero's welcome in Israel. And it's like, listen, I have nothing against the country, but they stole American secrets and damaged our country and they fly home on Trump's donors jet. You would think that would be a big news story, right? You can almost only find it in Israeli publications. It's very weird. I like a lot of Israeli publications.
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DreamRare
They're better than American publications. You know, like it, it's like Fox News, I don't think covered it. Like, nobody. It's like, that's not a big deal. What if a China Chinese spy flew home on a Chinese donor's jet or a Canadian or a Great Britain, great British, you know, spy that stole American secrets and screwed over America that was in jail flew home on a English donorship? Like, like, it's so strange in, in the Republican world. And you know, as much as I don't want people to be divided because I don't, like, people have to stop idol worshiping Trump. And I did a video 4 months ago why the Epstein files are never going to come out. Because you look around Epstein, Alexander Acosta, I believe his name is, he gave Epstein the sweetheart deal. Trump hired him the first term to the Secretary of Labor.
Sean Kelly
Yeah.
DreamRare
This term he hired Pam Bondi, who was the attorney general in Florida. It's like once Matt Goetz was replaced with Pam Bondi, I knew it was over. I knew the Epstein files weren't going to come out and I knew that Trump was going to crack down on pro Palestine protesters. And when I say pro Palestine protesters, I just want to be clear. I don't agree with people that are violent or blocking classes, but there's been people that are being targeted that are just protesting. And it's like, regardless of what you think about them, Trump took it a step too far there, in my opinion. And kind of, you know, just same with the Epstein stuff. It's just, it's just lame. I don't, I don't want people to be united behind Trump. I want people to challenge Trump. Trump supporters should ask him, why did you say you were going to end the war in Ukraine but you're funding. And why did you say you were going to release the Epstein files? Now you're covering them up. Yeah, that's, that's what the Republican Party's about.
Sean Kelly
That's where the growth happens, too, because you can't get too comfortable. You'll get complacent.
DreamRare
Yeah. And I'm sure, you know, you seem like a smart guy. I've seen your stuff. And you're able to talk to everybody from all sides. And I think that's a, that's a strength of yours. But in general, it's like it's a sports game. The Democrats hate the Republicans. The Republicans hate the Democrats. Oh, we can't do what we want because the Republicans are in oh, we can't do what we want because the Democrats are in. And they love that stuff because it's like, oh, we don't have the House. We don't have the Senate. That gives them an excuse. What's Republicans excuse? Now they have the House, the Senate, the presidency, the popular vote, and they're not even doing that much. Then when Democrats win, they're gonna. So the who, like, left and right paradigm is so fake. I. I'm conservative, but it's like, it's. It's just all fake. It's like a banker theater. It's. It's the entertainment wing of the military industrial complex. Trump campaigns on stopping the war in Ukraine, and then he gives them more weapons. And then Marco Rubio, who's always been a puppet, now Republicans are like, he's our best guy. It's like, why? Because he's a good actor. And he's like, oh, it's defensive weapons. It's. It's all a clown show. And I pray that liberals and conservatives wake up, because Democrats hate Trump, Republicans love Trump, but it's not a threat to the establishment because it's all part of the game. It's all part of the show.
Sean Kelly
There's a uni party, if we're being honest, 100%. Yeah, it's pretty apparent now. You said you started this whole thing with 911. Do you think the 911 files will ever get released?
DreamRare
Never. No, I don't think so.
Sean Kelly
You don't think so?
DreamRare
No.
Sean Kelly
How come?
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DreamRare
I just don't think they want to reveal too much, and I don't think they kept documentation of that much. My friend used to always say to me, they don't keep their own crimes. They don't keep record of their own crimes.
Sean Kelly
Right?
DreamRare
Yeah, the record is what they kept. But there's already enough about 911 out to the public, so I don't think they will. And I think that, you know, here's what I will say, and this is not a conspiracy. This is based off what's happening. They told us AL Qaeda did 9 11. Right? Thousands of people died. I know people that their friends, parents died in 9 11. It's really sick. It's really sad. I'm pro America as it gets. They said, we got to go to the Middle east to avenge these deaths, and we got to go fight Al Qaeda. A literal Al Qaeda member is currently running Syria, and the west is thrilled about it. Trump just Dropped sanctions. So you're telling me we went to the Middle east to fight Al Qaeda after Libya, Gaddafi, Saddam, Bashir al Assad, all these people, and an Al Qaeda guy runs Syria, and now you're dropping sanctions? I think that pays credence to the fact that we never really hated Al Qaeda and isis. And you could find that ISIS apologized to Israel one time when they attacked. According to somebody in Israel, al Qaeda, we were fighting Bashir al Assad while Al Qaeda was fighting Bashar al Assad. I'm not a fan of Iran, but the guy that, you know, Trump killed Soleimani, he was fighting isis. So it's one of these things where I don't even need a conspiracy theory. And I don't need to like any other country. I'm American. But an Al Qaeda member is leading Syria, and all of our allies are thrilled about it. What does that tell you? You don't need a conspiracy theory. And it. And I'm sick to my stomach. And it's weird that all these Republicans that hated me when I didn't like George Bush, that are like, we need to go fight Al Qaeda. Do they have the memory of a goldfish? Do they not remember that that's why we're in the Middle East? Do they not notice that a former Al Qaeda member is leading Syria? Like, I feel like I'm in the Truman show and nobody's paying attention. It's like, this stuff's so obvious to me. You don't even need a conspiracy theory to be like, this is. You know, I don't. I don't like, off the. Off the story they told us. It's not adding up.
Sean Kelly
You were early on the George Bush criticism, because I feel like a lot of that stuff didn't get revealed till much later.
DreamRare
I was a teenager. I watched a documentary. I was a bad kid in school. I was smart, but I just didn't like school. So I remember watching Loose Change and believing it. You know, I don't know if everything is valid now, but I'm like 14 years old and I see a documentary that says the 911 is an inside job.
I don't know if I feel the same exact way that I did them, but that at least was asking questions where it was like, don't blindly believe George Bush. Don't blindly believe Republicans are Democrats and patriotism does not mean allegiance to your government. Because with the right. And this is what a lot of Republicans, even at this conference, God bless them, they don't understand. They think we're fighting the left, we're patriots. The elites use patriotism to trick the right. They use lgbt, homosexuality, immigrants to trick the left. They know how to trick both sides. Give them a veteran, Give them a war, give them a patriot. It's. They're so elite at tricking Americans based on their biases.
Sean Kelly
You think people will ever wise up to what's going on in politics?
DreamRare
As somebody that seems like a critic, because I'm always so against the grain, I do think there's been a huge awakening. I think there's been a huge shift. Now it just becomes the question of, like, are people tricked easily or do they have a memory of a goldfish? There's a lot of people now that are way more awake. I want to say, when I was in middle school and stuff, it was like, nobody.
Sean Kelly
Yeah.
DreamRare
Now it seems like it's over 50%. So doesn't seem like we can get people in office, but it, it's. People like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gitt sound like conspiracy theorists now when 4 years ago they didn't sound like that, you know, So a lot of progress being made, in my opinion.
Sean Kelly
I mean, there's a lot of social pressure, especially with Epstein stuff right now on our politicians, as there should be. I've never seen, like a movement this powerful, honestly, against politics as there should be.
DreamRare
I like Sagar and GD from Breaking Points and I like Tucker. They had a great conversation about it on one of the biggest platforms. All the podcasters that are right leaning, but they're. But they're also very honest. Like people like Tim Dillon, Theo Vaughn, they're all talking about this. It's. It's mainstream now.
Sean Kelly
Yeah.
DreamRare
I mean, it's. The Trump supporters need to realize that it's okay to love Trump, but don't see people who challenge him as the enemy.
Sean Kelly
Right.
DreamRare
Because he needs to be challenged.
Sean Kelly
Yeah. Any president needs to. Not even just Trump, just in general, 100%. Yeah. You've called out these. The fake Christian movement too. I saw.
DreamRare
Yeah. I mean, I, I don't know where you want to go with that. I'll let you lead into it. But, like, I don't. I'm not a pastor. I don't, you know, I'm not trying to like Gatekeep Christianity, but I guess you could let me know what you're saying with that. Because I. With that. It's like I'm, you know, a lot.
Sean Kelly
Of people that Christianity card in politics, just especially at events like these.
DreamRare
I've noticed, I think that.
There'S a lot of.
Politicizing inside the Christian church, where they tell you because you're a Christian, you have this. You have to have this foreign policy because you're a Christian, you have to support this country. And I don't necessarily agree with that. So I think it's great to be a Christian, but, you know, maybe when I'm a pastor, I could criticize a little harder on the Christians, but I have a long way to go myself.
Sean Kelly
Yeah, well, I know what you mean, though. Cause it's a very emotional topic for Christians. Right. They want to believe everything they're being told from the pastors especially.
DreamRare
Yeah, I've seen different churches around and a lot of the mega churches, they're. They're pushing foreign policy. I went to a church one time and they were. They referenced the Bible once and they referenced other books four times.
Sean Kelly
Really?
DreamRare
And it's like, dude, the Bible is a great book. Some would say the greatest, especially most Christians. So it's like you don't got it. Like, there's so much in the Bible, whether it's Old Testament or New Testament, of stories and history and like, parables. Like there's some weird, weird stuff going on in the churches, you know, that is weird.
Sean Kelly
What's the main investigation you're. You're doing right now? Any specific conspiracy theory or anything?
DreamRare
Not really. I'm just going with it day by day. I mean, I did an Epstein video four months ago. I said, why the Epstein files aren't going to come out.
Sean Kelly
So you called it?
DreamRare
Yeah. Not trying to brag, but it's like, I feel like I could take a two years off. I've been so ahead of the curve that I feel like my videos from 2019 till now, I could just repost them. And it's the same. It's the same story on loop.
Sean Kelly
Man, you're like Nick Fuentes out here.
DreamRare
I mean, I don't know. It depends. Some people like that comparison, some people don't. But I feel like I.
Sean Kelly
In terms of call it like predicting stuff, I'm saying.
DreamRare
Well, I'll say this about Nick. I saw a tweet of Ben Shapiro calling him like an anti Semite or something in 2016. So he was earlier than me in Republican politics, getting blacklisted. I think that similar thing happened to me in 2019. So I think, you know, I think we're very different people. We have different instinct, we have different things that we like. We have a different vibe and a different fan base. But I guess we've both been in some ways him definitely harder than me, thrown outside of the conversation. And to be honest, you know, I'll just say this here. In 2019, I think maybe he retweeted me or something.
Sean Kelly
Yeah.
DreamRare
And I heard from friends in conservative media that I was getting blacklisted because he retweeted me. Whoa. And I didn't even know him. So, like, that's how. That's how scared of this guy they are. And I've said this since 2019. This probably got me in more trouble. Why are these people so afraid to have a debate with them? All the people that talk shit about them. Right. Andrew Clavins and the Ben Shapiro. I'm convinced they're terrified to have a debate with this guy. Because, you know, I watched. I watched Dinesh d' Azuza debate Nick. I wanted to watch that because it's interesting. And I have to say respected Dinesh d' Azuza for stepping up to the plate because, you know, he put his money where his mouth is, and he actually had a reasonable conversation with him. And it was very cordial, it was very professional. Neither of them did anything below the belt. And like, what. What is everyone so afraid of him for? So here's what I think the First Amendment really means. It doesn't mean you could say he's so bad nobody should talk to him. But Ben Shapiro is so great and Charlie Kirk so great. That's not the First Amendment, that's gatekeeping. So I think they've done a good job of, like, trying to scare people and say they shouldn't be in the conversation. And I think somebody that is truly confident what they're saying, like a Dinesh, would just head out it. Instead of not only gatekeeping Nick from talking about it, but punishing people that they. They think is Nick. But they've used Nick almost as a strawman, the same way the left will say, well, he's a Trumper. They use Trump as a strawman for every political ad. Like, Trump, Trump. Because their base hates Trump. They've done that to Nick Fuentes, where it's like, they'll call anybody Nick Fuentes, even you. You've met. You made the comparison. You know, it is what it is.
Sean Kelly
I meant it as a compliment, but, well, I don't.
DreamRare
Like I said, I'm not. I'm not going to like Gatekeep and just be like, don't talk. Like, I'm not that guy that's going to, like, run so far away from him, because I'm a totally different person with a Totally different energy, totally different ideas, but that's what they do. They, they. The. They use him as a boogeyman to try to stop and scare everybody from talking about things he's talking about. But for me, it was the hate speech loss. Like, bro, say what you want about the guy. Say what you want about the Charlie Kirk or whatever. Dude. I don't need. I don't need Charlie Kirk or Nick to be a leader of myself. Personally. I'm 35 years old. I don't agree with hate speech loss. If that makes you call me Nick or that makes you call me an anti Semite. I'd rather be called an anti Semite and stand up for the First Amendment than be another one of these morons that's running around being like, we need hate speech laws for one race, one religion in one country. It's like, call me what you want. Compare me to who you want. This is what I think. And I think I'm unique, you know?
Sean Kelly
Yeah. How many times have you been censored or shadow banned on social media?
DreamRare
I got deleted from TikTok, so that was a bummer. I've been demonetized from certain places. I think the algorithm's been against me in some ways, but I never play the victim because I think a lot of people in Republican media, to be honest, they're not popping and they just use that as an excuse. I think a lot of the algorithms have been dialed back, and TikTok literally banned me. So Tik Tok, but everybody else, it's like, I've gone through ups and downs and I'm not pumped about it, but if you've literally been banned, like, if you've been banned from YouTube, if you've been banned from Instagram or something, then you have every right to hate them. I've. I've been banned from Tik Tok. So TikTok, I got banned, but I got it back from TikTok.
Sean Kelly
Yeah.
DreamRare
I never got my account back and they stole 900 from me. I had 900 in my bank account. They never gave it to me.
Sean Kelly
So I'll connect you.
DreamRare
When Trump was banning them, I was like, I'm not, like, ethically, I get why people are upset, but I was like. I was like, I got such a strong bias because they stole my money and deleted me.
Sean Kelly
Like, yeah, well, there's conspiracies there on who owns it now, you know?
DreamRare
Well, this is the thing, too. Before the whole recent TikTok ban, during Trump's first administration, he had a whole thing with them, and they handed over the American version, I believe, to Larry Ellison from Oracle. So everyone's saying, like, now, like, oh, they need to do this and that. Maybe they do, but I think they already kind of, like, forfeited it to Larry Ellison and Oracle. Look, look that up and find the connections there you can. But that happened there in Trump's first term, so, you know, they've. They've already been. Their hands has been forced in many ways by the U.S. government.
Sean Kelly
Yeah, well, dude, it's been awesome. Where can people find you?
DreamRare
Dream rare on Instagram. D R E A M R A R E. That'll work.
Sean Kelly
Check them out, guys. And I'll see you in Vegas next time. Right?
DreamRare
Thank you. Appreciate you, brother.
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: DreamRare (An0maly)
Date: July 24, 2025
In this candid and wide-ranging episode, Sean Kelly sits down with DreamRare (also known as An0maly), a social commentator and independent hip hop artist, at the Student Action Summit. The conversation centers on the shifting landscape of conspiracy theories, the illusion of the American left-right political divide, social media censorship, and the challenges of navigating honest critique in highly politicized times. DreamRare shares personal stories about being labeled a conspiracy theorist, his experiences with cancellation and censorship—most notably being banned on TikTok—and his views on the manipulation of public discourse by politicians and media. The episode is a deep dive into authenticity, the power of dissent, and the dangers of gatekeeping in both politics and digital spaces.
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This episode is a thought-provoking exploration of narrative control, both in politics and digital culture. DreamRare pulls no punches in deconstructing mainstream and alternative narratives—whether it's about party politics, Israel, social media censorship, or the mechanisms of cancel culture. The conversation offers rare transparency and encourages listeners to think independently, challenge idols, and stay skeptical of the dogmatic narratives shaping American society.
Follow DreamRare: Instagram @DreamRare
Host: Sean Kelly