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Ancient Tech Secrets: 5 Marketing Lessons from Lost Civilizations | Matt Lacroix DSH #1065
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🔍 Uncover Ancient Tech Secrets: 5 Mind-Blowing Marketing Lessons from Lost Civilizations! 🏛️ Join Sean Kelly as he explores hidden knowledge with Matt, uncovering underground cities, mysterious artifacts, and forgotten civilizations. 🌎 From...
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Sean
So you think they were humans, these ancient civilizations? You don't think they were aliens?
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Matt
They were civilizations connected back to like the very origins of, of who we once were. More of a sacred side of, of our history and what we used to be.
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Sean
I would love that to, to see more advanced beings before us. That's exciting.
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Matt
You know, we seem to have a chapter where there were other types of even hom on the earth.
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Sean
All right, guys, Matt is back on set today. It's been a while, my friend.
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Matt
Yeah, it's good to see you and talk to you again, Sean.
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Sean
Yeah. Welcome back. You've traveled the world since we last spoke.
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Matt
It's been exciting. We have, we have had some amazing adventures. Turkey and Peru. And we're really, we're exploring other areas too, whether we have upcoming trips to like, Menorca, Spain and Bolivia and others. And it's been, it's been really amazing getting to places that I've researched for so much of my life, decades. To be able to get on the ground and finally see them in person and do a lot of analysis and bring experts in to look at them.
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Sean
Absolutely. So Turkey and Peru are those signs of the oldest civilizations that we know?
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Matt
Well, I mean, there's other areas as well, like obviously like parts of Egypt and Baalbek, Lebanon and India and China. But really the focus of these areas of Turkey and not, not the area that's been discussed a lot lately, like for instance, Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe is getting a lot of attention. I'm focused more on an area that's actually quite unknown still to the world. Areas in eastern Turkey, around Lake Von, that are brand new sites. Some of them, some of the discoveries that we can talk about are as new as five years ago, a year ago, 2017. So just within the last few years are new archeological discoveries that are going to shake up the entire establishment in the world.
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Sean
Wow. So what came to. To light, I guess, over there five years ago?
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Matt
Well, so back the first one, I guess in 2017, that really opened a lot of this up was they discovered underwater ruins under Lake Vaugh that, by the way, it's the only megalithic underwater ruins in the world. Now there are underwater shallow ruins in some places underwater, like off of Egypt and Greece. But what we're talking about are large megalithic structures that are very deep underneath Lake Vaughan. In fact, the depth of them is what makes this so interesting. They are 75ft underwater.
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Sean
Damn.
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Matt
And it was only discovered in 2017 by a photographer that took a group down to uncover them. And these ruins cover a kilometer in area. Massive. And there's a flower of life carved into these giant basalt blocks that are from what we're exploring as being an ancient, ancient civilization that may, you know, predate a lot of things that are established even for what academics are considering for the region.
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Sean
Wow, that is so fascinating. So that must be hard to explore, though, because you got to scuba dive. Right.
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Matt
We're going to be. One of the focuses of the upcoming documentary that I'm leading with experts around the world is to dive down and analyze and explore those ruins because of also the connections that they may have with things that are nearby, above water that have the same type of stone, the same geologies, the same stonework, the same symbols of these what I believe are much, much older lost civilizations from an entire forgotten chapter of our history that has largely been forgotten and mixed in with more recent civilization that, you know, may give us in a completely different understanding of who we are and the connections we once had with this ancient world.
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Sean
Wow. You might have discovered Atlantis.
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Matt
Well, it's, it's got parallels to that because of again, the connections around the world to, you know, is Atlantis just like this global civilization that is a, a name that's more about a connection around the world that something had. Because that's really what we're exploring is that Atlantis might not have been even just one location. It's more of like, like an entire civilization that spanned around the world.
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Sean
Wow, that could be an interesting idea, right?
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Matt
Yeah, well, that's the idea is that you see similarities off of even places like the Yucatan of Mexico and some of the structures there with, with parallels across the world. So we're looking, we're looking at basically, basically in my imagine, in my perception and looking at the evidence is an entire chapter of human history that's been largely forgotten. But was this not from the lens of a primitive culture, like a nomadic hunter gatherer group that had, you know, flint and steel and just like was traveling around hunt, you know, hunting large game and moving on and having small settlements. But literally a chapter of human civilization where we built the most incredible stone temples and pyramids around the world. And that culture reached high levels.
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Sean
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Matt
Before it was completely destroyed by catastrophes that basically wiped them out. And it had the memory of what we used to Be. Be largely forgotten.
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Sean
Right. So you think they were humans, these ancient civilizations? You don't think they were aliens?
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Matt
No, I think that they were. They were civilizations connected back to the, like, the very origins of, of who we once were, back to more of a sacred side of, of our history and what we used to be.
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Sean
Right. I would love that to, to see more advanced beings before us. That's exciting, you know.
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Matt
Yeah, exactly. It's. We, we seem to have a chapter where there were other types of, even hominids on the Earth. Hominids that, for instance, had larger skulls. We're looking at different, different skulls from around the world. Places like Malta and Caracas, Peru, in Tiwanaku, and even areas around the Black Sea where there may have been a genetic, a different kind of human, like a genetically human, unique type of human, that we don't share the same, the same comparisons today in that way.
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Sean
Those are what I remember from history class in school, those cavemen type humans. Right. With all the elongated skulls.
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Matt
Well, I think the, the. One of the misconception, though, conceptions is that like we look, we think of like Neanderthals, right, As a group that was a very primitive group that came before. But what we're looking at is a chapter that may have coexisted with them at the same time, but is not from like a primitive lens. We may have had different hominid groups here that were as sophisticated as we are, if not more, that actually died out. And then the remnants of them was like a. Just a forgotten memory. We had even aspects of other genetic differences in places of the world where they may have been even smaller humans and some larger humans. Like, one of the things that a lot of people don't know is that in. During Magellan's sailing around the world, when he was circumnavigating the planet, when he was in Patagonia, down off South America, he. And it's well established in his records when he, his. His journal entries with his, His. The group that he was sailing with is that they encountered people off of Patagonia that were over 10ft tall.
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Sean
Whoa. Giants.
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Matt
Yeah. And they actually were. They had to leave because they were basically scared away by this group that were somewhat violent in some means. But the whole concept that's fascinating is, is there an entire chapter of our story where there were humans that lived longer, were taller, had larger brains, in some ways larger heads? We're finding evidence of that all around the world. And it seems that. And I believe that this idea of cranial binding we see like in Africa and other places may have been just a means of mimicking that used to actually exist in a more. In a genetic way. Not. Not something where they altered their. Their skull size.
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Sean
So that's the Anunnaki you're talking about, right?
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Matt
Well, it may have ties back to that. Is this whole idea that, like we see with Diodorus and Solon, they discussed this whole idea of like, almost like a demi, demigod type of race that existed during Atlantis and this time period where there were almost like half human, half gods that, you know, lived enormous amounts of time. We see that like with Enoch, we see that with the whole Noah figure, you know, Zaya Sudra. This concept of human beings living for enormous amounts of time and having this whole chapter that we used to have that we don't understand anymore, that's become almost like a fairy tale and a mystery to us. You know, I'll give you an example. Like places like, for instance, Troy is discussed in the Iliad and others. Right. By Homer, it was this idea, this concept of civilizations and Greek myths in different cities that weren't real. And yet in the 1800s, they found Troy in western Turkey. And that's the same thing we're seeing with places like Eridu and Shurupak in modern day Mesopotamia. Places that were supposed to be a myth, that were not supposed to be real, end up being found. And then it makes us have to reevaluate our entire understanding of history.
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Sean
Wow, that is nuts. Why do you think a lot of this history gets forgotten? Do you think there's some foul play there?
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Matt
Well, there's a. There's a combination of a couple of things going on. I believe, number one, we have to look at these time periods that have enormous amounts of time in between them. You know, the civilizations that we're looking at and finding evidence around the world, you know, working with experts, looking at different places where the civilizations may have disappeared, you know, 12,000 years ago. Look at all human beings have done the last 500 to 600 years. We were basically thrown back into the Middle Ages that. That long ago, and yet we're talking about not even a thousand years. Now imagine civilizations that have been gone for 12,000 years. You know, what would be left from them? How much would we understand of them, and how much of that would just turn into a myth and something that we would almost believe wasn't true any longer.
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Sean
Right. It's like that game telephone we played growing up.
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Matt
No, exactly right. Like someone starts by telling a story and by the time it gets to the end, you know, it's completely different than where it started.
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Sean
100. Yeah, but that was before you could just document stuff. Now I feel like the history we're living present day, I feel like they'll retain it better. Right?
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Matt
Well, I don't know about that, really. I mean, what would. What would actually survive us if, say, 2,000 years went by after destruction? You know, if we had a massive CME event, coronal mass ejection event. Something beyond our comprehension in modern history, but something we're seeing evidence of, you know, during the, you know, geomagnetic incursion back 12,000 years ago. You know, what would be left of us after 2000 years of basically wiping out civilization? You know, we think about, well, how we build with either wood or glass or metal. Those things would just erode and disappear. Digital records that we have most of things kept. Paper. Five hundred to a thousand years in the best of conditions, really. So you have to imagine, think about what we have in our world. What would actually survive us?
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
What would be. What would be remembered from us in 2000 years? Would they even know that we existed? Think about what would survive. The only thing that really survives the test of time like that is incredibly precise and hard stonework. You know, the. The types of stone like granite and basalt and other stone that is extremely hard. Yeah. That. Things that would last the test of time. And here we have this telltale evidence around the world of them building out of those things. And yet we look at the lens of them being primitive.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
But they have the things left over that have survived the test of time.
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Sean
That's a great point. We haven't built anything like that in our generation.
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Matt
No.
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Sean
Left of us, we build skyscrapers, but those would just collapse.
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Matt
Problem. Glass and metal things would just corrode and break away. It's. I think what we need to do is wrap our heads around how much time like 2 or 3,000 years is now. Imagine 12,000 years since they existed. And what would actually be left to them. And to be honest, I mean, if we look around the world at what is left, it's rather impressive compared to what may be left from us.
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Sean
Right.
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Matt
That's why we have to look at this lens in a different way of saying, look at this entire lost civilization that has evidence all around the world. Whether or not we go to, like, Tonga, the Mariana Islands, with these huge pillars that they. That the local indigenous groups have no idea who built them. They say Maui built them. And is that evidence of, like, an ancient Lemurian Mu connection, just like we see with Atlantis. You know, the remnants of the echoes of a long civilization that's been gone for thousands and thousands of years. And even the indigenous people that live there say we're not the ones who built them. There was someone here before us, someone who is highly sophisticated and spiritually inclined and more connected and built things in a way that we don't build things anym are. It's like a forgotten idea of who we once were.
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Sean
Yeah. You think there's any lineage that survived from those ancient times or do you think completely wiped out everyone?
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Matt
It's interesting when we look at secret societies around the world and throughout history, secret societies that are sort of hiding in the shadows at times. And I think that those are potentially connected back, at least they believe they are, to certain bloodlines that go all the way back to these original groups and these people. Now does that mean some kind of like a superiority? No, I don't think so at all. I just, I believe that they, they think that there's certain connections that still exist with those groups.
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Sean
Yeah, you're talking like the Illuminati and stuff, right. I never even wondered. Yeah, how old those go back, but that, that could be true.
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Matt
Well, there's old families like the Rothschilds and others that seemed in the Sinclairs and others that, you know, state or believe that they have connections back to a much more ancient lineage. I mean, we see other destructive figures in, throughout history and empires who have literally believed that enough to fight entire wars and conquer other nations. And it's, it's a history that I think we're fighting over the scraps of trying to remember this legacy of, of a grand civilization that was in, in very, in many ways more sophisticated in some aspects, in some aspects than we were. You know, their understanding. Like look at the Great Pyramid of Giza. It's built to be a perfect half ratio of our entire Earth that's created the three pyramids to create it to be this, this mimicking of the relationship between our Earth's sun and the moon, but also the constellation of the three bell stars of Orion. And that gets into the hermetic laws, the constants that are basically ancient Egyptian and Greek knowledge of these laws that exist in the universe and on Earth, that if you adhere to them, you can create some kind of a synergy between like creating structures here on Earth that almost bridge that heaven, heaven on Earth connection. Right. As above, so below, as within, so without. That's the ancient Hermetic law. Of correspondence that these civilizations seem to adhere to with why they built in very specific places.
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Sean
Yeah, because the architecture itself is impressive. But the fact that you mentioned all that too, on top of it, like, these guys were way more advanced than we can even fathom.
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Matt
Yeah, they were building in a way that it's, it's not random at all. They were going to very specific parts of the earth. It's. What's this? A term called geodesy. It refers to building in very specific spots and aligning to cardinal points and magnetic points in ley lines in which you can create this synergy between the magnetic fields of the earth and star constellations and our connection between the sun, Earth and the moon, which seem to have a relationship with the whole. It's a, it's basically this idea that you can create a cosmic connection and when you do that, you can unlock these secret abilities of humans and abilities here that we have almost like magic.
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Sean
Right. So is this where you start to lose the traditional archeologists? Is this where that divide starts?
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Matt
Yeah, I think that one of the big disconnects between archeology today, and I'm, and I'm working with archeologists on this project and the work that we're doing, but one of the biggest disconnects has been this idea that they look at it through a completely physical lens. Like, if you're an archeologist and you're trying to understand these ancient temples aligned to energetic ley lines and magnetic fields and aspects of our sun, Earth, moon and the constellations. If you don't understand the metaphysical spiritual realms, how are you going to understand why they built things? They did the way they are, how are you going to understand the energetic nature of why they did things?
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Sean
Right. That's important. But they're so logical that it has to be like a fact or like evidence based. Right.
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Matt
Well, it's just because I think that the academic world has too many divisions within it, too many divisions between the metaphysical understanding of reality and, and the physical understanding of reality. We have to come at this through the lens of like an esoteric mind. We have to combine philosophy, science, and the metaphysical side of, of nature to understand why these civilizations did what they did.
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Sean
Right.
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Matt
And once we do that, I think the danger, Sean, and why these conversations haven't moved forward in the, in the right way is that to this day we're still taught in school that consciousness is simply derived from the brain.
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Sean
Right.
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Matt
And it's, it's something where we, you know, we get intelligent enough and consciousness develops through the brain and we die. And that's it. We. Our existence just disappears into nothing. But that doesn't seem to be the case at all. In fact, the ancients around the world believe something very, very different. And not like the primitive ancients, but, for instance, like ancient Egyptians place these subterranean places like the Osirion and the Serapeum, where they built these very mysterious giant granite boxes over 100 tons with. There was no one was buried inside them. What was, what was their purpose? Was this some kind of a chamber for. For like an incarnation chamber or some kind of rejuvenation chamber? You know, they. The ancient Egyptians believed that if somebody died, they could somehow bring them back through the reincarnation cycle to have them live again. It really, what it tells us, Sean, is that we are actually eternal beings.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
That never truly die. We just go through cycles of living each life and then come back through. Through karmic laws and. And learning new, new things to grow and ascend as a metaphysical spiritual being that's having a physical experience here, not the other way around.
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Sean
That is fascinating. So the Egyptians were trying to control the reincarnation.
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Matt
Exactly that.
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Sean
Cool.
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Matt
And they believed that if a soul was a person and through their soul was given the right journey, that they could cycle back and find their way back again.
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Sean
Whoa.
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Matt
Right. So if the idea is this, that if somebody dies, that was really important to them. Right. An ancient bloodline as some kind of a king that was connected to the divine, some kind of a demigod or something, that if they put them through a process, through their death of certain rituals, certain metaphysical rituals and physical rituals, that they could allow that soul to travel through the stars of Orion and make their way back and then incarnate again as a child that they could track and trace through that journey, and then they could have them back again as another, as a leader, as a ruler.
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Sean
That is crazy. And they pulled that off. Has there been documentation on that?
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Matt
What's wild is there's what's called the Egyptian king list that matches the Sumerian king list. And a lot of people don't talk about the Egyptian king list. But one of the things that's on it, and we can we find that through Edfu, ancient sites like that, the Temple of Horus, is that this king list includes kings that were existing before dynastic Egyptians that had reigns of hundreds and hundreds of years. But what we find is that those, the rulers that came later lived much shorter lifespans. Like there was an entire different chapter.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
When those again, like almost Like a demigod type of ruler that was, that could live for hundreds of years and reigned and ruled and they, and those are well established in those kings lists.
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Sean
Interesting. So they were just using the same name but he would just be in different bodies basically for hundreds of years.
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Matt
Yeah, like they would say something like Osiris the the first or the second or Ramses the first or the second. It would, it would be like they were tracing these lineages of different, of different beings that are they just the incarnation of a previous one that lived and then they kept, you know, passing down through. It's really mysterious. But they're not the only group that was mapping the underworld as they call it, the spiritual realm. The Egyptians were doing it and especially the ancient Sumerians and Babylonians and there's other groups as well, like the Greeks. I mean, you know the story of Sharon, right, The boatman, the ferryman, where you put, you go into the underworld and you can pass into this to the underworld of souls. You know, we see that that story first echoed through like the Epic of Gilgamesh where Gilgamesh goes to seek the flood hero Zaya Sudra to seek immortality. He has to pass through the underworld to get there.
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Sean
Crazy.
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Matt
They didn't just believe this, it was their foundation of understanding. They wrote about it in nearly everything. Like for instance one of the most famous of the ancient Sumerian myths and tablets is called the Descent of Inanna in which Inanna, one of these ancient goddesses descends down to go find Dumuzi, one of her lovers that died and was in the underworld and has to go and try to seek him and find him again.
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Sean
Whoa.
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Matt
It's wild. And we see it echoed through so much of our media and movies. But it's actually has a basis in ancient mythology that the, that the underworld and the spiritual realms play very, very pivotal, pivotal aspects of our reality. But because of the limitations of our five senses, we really lack an understanding of the totality of what reality really encompasses.
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Sean
Yeah, that is so cool. Now people have such a different perception of death. I wonder what, when that change happened.
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Matt
Well, I mean think about it. If you're told that death is the end and that you should fear death like the church has done, you know, after the Holy Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, if you inflict that kind of mentality in, you can literally control a person entirely. The fear, fear based systems like that are how you control someone because then if they fear their own mortality, they're not going to take as many chances in life. They're not going to really seek something higher because they're going to be worried about the more primitive aspects of life. Right. How do I stay alive? How do I survive? I'm living in fear. I'm gonna stay in a small mindset box.
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Sean
That's so true though.
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Matt
Well, that fear is powerful.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
Fear has controlled humanity for thousands of years. It's a powerful tool. And one of the ways that fear controls us is through the idea of death and the false knowledge of what we really are and how these cycles all play in. If, If Sean Kelly, like knows that he's gonna incarnate again in the next life, you know, what does that do to. To your fear levels and. Or your understanding of reality?
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Sean
I would take way more chances.
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Matt
And you would also probably want to leave like you are leaving a legacy of something. Right?
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
That you may not do. If you were thinking, well, I need to try to consume whatever resources I can because I'm never going to be back ever again. Right.
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Sean
Yeah. That's so spot on. I used to fear death as a kid. Dude. Even like 8 years old. Like I remember being in elementary, like, oh, I don't want to die. You know, it limits everything.
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Matt
It limits our. It's like there's a. There's a lock that, that, that ties that. That hooks around us and prevents us from opening up our mind and seeing the, the greater reality that exists all around us.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
And I highly encourage people to study things like hermeticism to really understand. Like for instance, one of the people. One of the things that people may not know is that one of Isaac Newton's most important esoteric things that he studied before all of his theories was what's called the Emerald Tablet of Hermes. It's a hermetic tablet. Not the same as the Emerald Tablets out of Thoth in Egypt. The Hermetic, the, the, the Emerald Tablet is ancient hermetic knowledge of philosophy and alchemy.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
And it ties into what are called natural law or cosmic laws, which is what I brought up before as the idea of the. It's called the law of correspondence. As above, so below, as within, so without. It's this idea that everything in the cosmos is connected and that what's reflected in the universe and out in the cosmos is reflected here on Earth. And that we. The Earth has a synergy that it plays out through humanity on a great stage. Like Shakespeare said. Right. All the world is a stage. We're all playing roles within that simulation theory, Right? Yeah. That we're part of something Far greater than most of us understand. And then we're on a great stage of experience. And that what happens with that within humanity through the archetypes of humanity is basically being played out in the entire universe.
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Sean
Yeah. That is nuts. Yeah. You've studied a lot of these ancient texts, right?
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Matt
Yeah, yeah. My favorite, again, all the different Hermetic texts I would highly encourage because it's based on ancient Egyptian and Greek knowledge. Again, like the Emerald Tablet, the vision of. The vision of Hermes. Right. I highly recommend all the Hermetic texts that, that, that they've woven down through that, as well as things like the Book of Enoch, the. The Nag Hammadi scriptures. Right. The Book of John, the secret Book of John. They all are these forbidden text, ancient Gnostic text, and ancient pre. Hebrew and Hebrew text, and all the way back to ancient Sumerian texts from the tablets that all discuss these esoteric and mysterious aspects of spirit and alchemy and how really the path of the human journey here, the hero's journey, is about the alchemical transformation of our physical experience here into a spiritual, metaphysical experience. And that it's an alchemical experience because we start as spirit, we come from spirit as a higher place, and we go through a circle. Everything is all about circles. Okay. It's never time. And the linear aspects that we're told are actually very false. Everything is more of a giant circle. There's no beginning and there's no end. Just like our experience here is about starting somewhere and then circling back to where we started it. Just because it's an endless amount of loops and cycles that continues. And it seems to be based on these aspects of Earth, the Sun, the Moon, going through cycles of influences of our galactic center, influences of the planets, maybe even influences in the outer solar system that relate to cycles of consciousness based on what's called the procession of the equinox or the Great Year. Are you familiar with that?
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Sean
No, I just thought so.
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Matt
The Earth has a tilt or a wobble to it. So when it spins on its axis, it actually has a tilt to it. And the tilt is based on what's called the precession of the equinox. What it means is as the Earth rotates, it actually faces specific star constellations for intervals of 2,100 years. And the entire cycle that the Earth rotates around facing different constellations is what's called the Great Year. And it's made up of again, the 12 zodiacs. It's the 12 different constellations that the Earth faces during certain intervals that seem to be a pivotal part of why human beings go through these cycles. So. Right. Like cycles of like the lost civilization. So like we talked about. Right. Building pyramids and temples and being connected to a super metaphysical spiritual side and then being knocked back again and then going through a war like period of conquering and being more primitive before cycling back again to reach more conscious periods. It basically mimics these cycles of the great year.
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Sean
Dang.
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Matt
They're called the Yuga cycles out of India.
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Sean
That is fascinating. So what's. Oh God.
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Matt
Well, they're related to the idea that we go through things like iron and Bronze Ages and Silver Ages and then Golden Ages and that those cycles are actually predetermined and governed. And I mean, we can talk about why those are governed and who governs them.
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Sean
Absolutely.
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Matt
But we're. But where we seem to be part of a much greater type of system here of cycles that are governed through exterior forces in which we are more like actors that are in a great play that are going through these cycles. And that's what leads to the rise and fall of consciousness and also leads to us being warlike or wanting to seek higher esoteric places.
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Sean
So cool. So what cycle are we in right now? And then we'll get to who's running these.
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Matt
Well, look at what's going on with the sun. The sun is having these massive aurora borealis events. These influences of greater energy that seems to be hitting us and that seems to also be playing a role, just like the ancient times did, where the sun activity may be playing a part in these zodiac changes with consciousness. All these energy blasts, the Earth, we all of a sudden kind of just like wake up from a slumber and we're like, wait, what are we doing right now? You know, why are we doing all these very materialistic, kind of fear based, war based things? And as those cycles transition, we all of a sudden, as a species change into something else. Like a transformation, like a phoenix transformation out of the ashes from what we were. We all of a sudden blossom like a flower into something new. And those cycles are. Seem to be governed from an ancient place.
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Sean
Really?
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Matt
Yeah.
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Sean
So some would call it God. Right?
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Matt
Well, the. And again, I go back to ancient hermeticism and I would highly encourage people to study something like the vision of Hermes. It describes how there is an archetype at the very top, an architect, like an ancient architect who some would call God. And it describes how it was like this perfect creation of the universe, but that there was a. What's called the second mind that was created in order to foster all aspects of creation within that and balance all cycles. So all cycles within that are actually essentially governed. Now in the Nag Hammadi it calls them the archons, basically the rulers. The rulers of reality. And I think that the term that might make people more familiar to some, for instance, the ancient Sumerians called them the Anuna. The Akkadians and Assyrians called them the Anunnaki. And then if we look in Hebrew times, they're called the Elohim. In ancient Egypt they're called the Naturu. It's basically like the ancient gods and they're the ones who are described as being the ones that foster in balance all cycles here. And that humanity is a product of those cycles and that governing so that we. It's like some kind of a grand story playing out.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
So we think of it as humanity being in charge of its own destiny. But really the where it comes down to is there's a fine line between free will and destiny that seems to play into this. And that destiny seems to play a very big role. As in. It's is. As in that the governing aspect of our reality and the ancient times is coming from something that is more. More mysterious and more powerful than we really understand.
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Sean
Yeah, that's a lot to take in because as, as humans you want to have free will. Right. But seems like there's some really big destiny behind things.
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Matt
Well, it's, it's like a two part process is that we're given free will to make our own choices. But once we walk a certain path and we start following things like intuition and the higher guidance and start becoming more connected, something unlocks in us. It's like all of a sudden we be card. Become something different. We become part of something different. And that's where it describes as. It's like, it's like radio, radio stations, it's like a word antenna that basically tunes in to something else. And all of a sudden we become part of like a different story.
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Sean
That is crazy, dude. Wow, you're really uncovering a lot.
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Matt
Well, and that's why we're studying these ancient sites around the world. Because how it all ties back is that areas that I'm. That I am particularly focused on, like in Eastern Turkey around Lake Vaughan, we have ancient temples and sites that the world hasn't even heard of yet. Places like Ionis and Kef, Kalesi, Shavuz, Tepe Toprakali, as for Natepe Altintepe. And they contain symbols, Sean, ancient motifs and Symbols that go and connect to nearly every lost civilization place around the world, like Peru, Bolivia, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece. What they have are symbols and artifacts that are coming out that are showing these teachings that seem to go all the way back and connect everything. Hermeticism, like, for instance, if you study these laws and these constants out of ancient Egypt and ancient Greece and these others, and you look at the symbols that are left there, you realize that they're all the same. Like there was a lost knowledge of understanding who we are in our greater capacity in the universe and how we can achieve unlocking our greatest aspect of ourselves. And the teachings are laid down in these artifacts and temples left behind for a future time when humanity can finally understand it. One of the wild things is, Sean, that we're finding evidence, like especially Ionis and Kev Kalesi, that later civilizations deliberately buried them to try to conceal them and protect them because of the volatile world that they were living in. Dang.
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Sean
So it seems like there was some sort of takeover, whether it was hostile or. Yeah, I don't know what happened.
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Matt
Well, like, give me an example is in these civilizations that I'm studying that, that the documentary is focused on. Like again, the underwater ruins. I just talked about showing the flower of life and everything. The very pivotal aspect of us understanding the balance of everything and the harmony that exists is that they, the cultures that came later seem to incorporate a lot of their knowledge into their cultures. Like the culture that we, that archaeologists believe built all of these is called the Uratu or Urartians. And that the, the word Uratu just means Ararat, like Mount Ararat. Now, they incorporated a lot of knowledge into their culture. However, the time that they lived, around 3,800 years ago, 3,000 years ago, they were, it was a volatile time on the earth. They were in constant war with Mesopotamian civilizations to the south, like the Babylonians and the Assyrians. And so you imagine you, you're in a war like world where there's empires conquering each other. There is ancient knowledge in those cultures, but it's also such a volatile time that they're being conquered and burned and destroyed. And so if you knew that you were in a place that had ancient knowledge that was from a much earlier time, a sacred knowledge, you would want to try to protect it. Right, right. And so we're seeing evidence that they, that culture called the Uratu, Urartians deliberately buried some of these sites in order to preserve and protect them. So that someday in the future, cultures that came along that were of a higher consciousness in a more peaceful time could go find them again.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
And return to the knowledge that we once had. And these regions are very important to ancient cultures around the world. Like for instance, this area around Lake Vaughan was visited by Alexander the Great and Xerxes and the Knights Templar. The same cross that we see at Ionis is the exact same cross that became the benchmark of the cross for the Knights Templar as well as the cross that we see in the Vatican holy today. It's like that knowledge was still preserved in the, in the echelons of secret societies and religions and they, and they've been fighting over it for thousands of years.
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Sean
It's like a time capsule, right?
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Matt
Like for instance, look in front of the Vatican. Not only do you have that same cross that we see at Ionis, that's in the Knights Templar and that that's mimicked in the Maltese Cross, but you see the pine cone, a giant statue of a pine cone in front of the Vatican. And guess what? The same artifact that I'm talking about from Kef Khaleesi, this, it's called the Kef Khaleesi bas relief. A giant 3 foot by 3 foot by 4 foot basalt artifact that has all of these symbols, like the first cup and, and the symbols of the doorways, the triptych doorways we see around the world like in the ancient Mayans and Egyptians and in ancient Peru. But not only that, but we see Sean, the passing of the pine cone in their hand, just like we see in ancient Mesopotamia. It's no coincidence that in front of the Vatican they have a giant pine cone sitting in front of that. The pine cone of the seeds of knowledge in the pineal gland. The idea of unlocking this greater aspect of consciousness in humanity. And again, like I mentioned, that exact same cross, not the cross used in Christianity, but the cross that's on. In. Within things like within the Vatican on the, in the royals and also in the Pope on the. Within the. The miter hat and within the cloak that they wear and on the staff and all of that, it shows the same cross as the Knights Templar. But that I believe goes back to Ionis as basically like this ancient knowledge and understanding that became fought over, literally fought over on the world and tried to be controlled so that I think that humanity could forget about its ancient lineage of what they once were so that they could be controlled easier.
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Sean
Crazy. Have you been to the Vatican?
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Matt
Not yet.
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Sean
I heard the gatekeep a lot of stuff there though.
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Matt
Definitely. Well, I Mean the Vatican archives has all of these ancient texts that were taken out of things like Abrahamic religions and that, you know, the Holy Bible and all these things where chapters like for instance the Book of Enoch was completely removed from the original. The original text that it was supposed to be in there from the council, it's called the Council of Nicaea during the, the Holy Roman Empire, they basically went through and decided what writings they wanted to keep in and what they wanted to remove and what they wanted to alter and when. Of course, a lot of people have discussed that on this channel with you.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
How there's certain things that have been removed and then kept. But there's been a lot of other things that have been hidden and taken down there because I don't. I think that they thought that humanity wasn't ready for it yet.
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Sean
And that's my biggest problem with the Bible because I have on a lot of Christians and like even pastors and stuff. But my thing is that's not the original text.
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Matt
No, it's definitely not. It's just a collection of much more ancient things.
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Sean
That's what I'm saying. Like if you're going to study something, wouldn't you want the original source? That's non biased.
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Matt
If you want to study things that came in there in the Bible, in things like Genesis, what you really need to be studying are the much more ancient versions of those. Like for instance, studying the Atrahasis and the Epic of Gilgamesh and Erudu, Genesis and myth of Adapa and legend of Itzubar. These are all Sumerian, Acadian and Babylonian tablets that come that date date predate the Bible by thousands and thousands of years. It's where all those stories originated from.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
Especially the whole Noah mythos that again, if we look at today, there's a very important set of tablets that actually just got translated fully called the Babylonian World map. And it is the oldest map of the world in existence. And it describes this landing of the ark up in Mount Ararat and the original ancient world that the Babylonians saw and basically connects all the things that I'm doing right now in that Ararat region of eastern Turkey that has again the cross and the first chalice and the pine cone and this triptych doorway. All this knowledge that we see around the world seems to originate from a very esoteric and mysterious place. It's where they buried all these sites to try to protect them. Interesting for a future time period.
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Sean
So Noah's Ark actually happened.
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Matt
I believe that those stories the story that we're, that we see in Genesis in the Bible is a, is a very rewritten version of something that had a very, very significant basis in ancient Sumerian, Acadian and Babylonian cultures. And we see that all throughout the, the tablets. And again, like I mentioned, it gets into very distinct details of a disaster that was coming for the world, of a great flood, not the whole world, but especially for that region in which there was an ancient king and a priest named Zaya Sudra, who became the Noah figure who was warned of this catastrophe by his patron God, Enki, secretly, because they. Again, it describes how the Anuna, these ancient gods, had a pact that they weren't supposed to tell humanity and that they essentially wanted to wipe out the seed of humanity and start over again. And that he was warned of this event and was told to build this large boat out of cedar, a massive one, to bring his family and some, some animals. He had to start and create a new golden age on Earth and that his three sons, Diapus, Shem and Ham, would essentially carry on his lineage and create a new, a new world. And what we found that's so fascinating, Sean, is that at these sites around Lake Vaughan that most of the world has never heard of, yet we have Kings List there, specifically one of them at Shavuz Tepe that directly mentions the lineage of King Haik and these other rulers that are ancient Armenian rulers that are literally descendants of that lineage of that family. And it shows right in the descendant line that that actually was real and it happened crazy that the stories, these ancient Hebrew and pre Hebrew stories, were actually real and that there was a whole chapter of history that was connected to these lost civilizations from these pre biblical ancient Sumerian, Akkadian descendants that were. Their task was to essentially create like a new world. And that there was what we call adapt on the seven Sages that were. They were traveling around the world creating civilizations.
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Sean
That is nuts. How many times do you think humanity.
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Matt
Has been restarted from studying things like ice cores from Antarctica and Greenland and really looking at climatic data, but also geologic data. Right. I was just in Turkey with famous geologist Dr. Robert Schock, and we were looking at vitrification evidence on these huge basalt blocks. Vitrification means melting of the stone. Now in order to get that, you have to have temperatures that exceed 2,000 degrees. And you can only get that in extreme climatic events throughout history, which gives us a benchmark to look at. Well, when did these things happen? You know, if these stones were built before these events, it means that they're older than the events occurred. Right. And it's giving us a benchmark for how old they could be and when they occurred. And so when we look at these, these, these, this evidence of damage and these evidence of destruction on these in these places, it shows us that there have been at least one, if not two chapters, at least I believe two chapters of human civilization that have risen up and fallen back again. Risen up and then fallen back again. The problem was after the second time, what we call the younger Dryas, around 11,600 years ago, when it ended the division between what's known as the Pleistocene and the Holocene. The time we're in now, it looks like we had, like you just had Graham on. We had a total reset of our, of our species with amnesia, where we literally forgot everything because so much time went by in between that we forgot the knowledge of what we once had. And we had. We got knocked back to a more primitive means. And that's why humanity developed, you know, through the Iron and Bronze Age, into a very primitive kind of warlike culture, because we went a completely different direction.
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Sean
Wow. Yeah. Because there used to be a ton of wars. Right. Thousands of years ago.
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Matt
Well, our civilization went through a completely different path than it once did. And again, I think it gets back into the Yuga cycles. These, this great year, these different zodiac cycles is during Pisces and before we got into this very violent warlike period where consciousness became very low and humanity went through a different path than it once did. But we have to remember that in ancient northern Mesopotamia, southern Turkey, there are. Have you heard of the massive underground cities like Derinkuyu?
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Sean
No.
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Matt
In southern Turkey, the largest underground cities in the world have been. That have been found. And actually some of them were found by accident. Within the last 50 years, there was somebody doing excavations in the modern day city of Derinkuyu. Today it's above and they. It's a funny story, actually. There was a farmer that had chickens that. And he had like, he had a small building apartment, had a corridor between them and the chickens were disappearing somewhere into a hole. And he was like his chickens were coming back and he couldn't figure out where they were going. And so he found a crack that they were slipping through. And he knocked down a wall and entered in, unintentionally opened up a gateway, a doorway down into the largest underground city in the world called Derinkuyu that has like 25 levels underground that could have housed, they believe could have housed up to 20,000 people. Dang underneath them. Created in these massive settings that were done in such a way, Sean, that Derinkuyu ended up not being the only underground city in the region. They found there was another city 5 1/2 miles from it called Kaimakli. And now what's wild about it is that at the very bottom of these underground areas, they're basically like giant corridors that have interconnected levels that then go underground. Like if you were to look at, like a. An ant farm or a worm farm where they have different levels that they're all living in. It was like these giant corridors that were cut into the rock that go down into the earth more than a quarter mile, and they have these giant stones that get rolled in front of the doorway to seal them off. Now, what's wild though, Sean, is that Derinkuyu's sister city called Kaimakli, instead of people traveling between it above the ground, they created a five and a half mile tunnel corridor at the very bottom between the cities so that people wouldn't have to go above ground at all. Like they. Like it was such a volatile time period above that they. The civilizations, the only way they were surviving through generations was to go down and secure themselves, bring food and resources. They had evidence of animals being that were brought down. They had evidence of schools, evidence of where, living quarters, places to prepare food, air shafts. These civilizations were preparing for, like, the end of the world to survive underneath. And they went to such great lengths that they literally could travel and traverse between underground cities without even having to go above ground.
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Sean
Wow. How would they pull that off, though? They must have had some technology back then.
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Matt
We have no idea, because none of the rock that they took out of these places has ever been found. They're so ancient that all the evidence for how they built them and what they did is just gone. Damn.
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Sean
What would you theorize, though, if you had to guess on how they did it?
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Matt
They used some kind of either ancient machines or tools that we don't know what they are, but they went to such great lengths to create them that they obviously realized that it was of grave importance to the survival of their civilizations. It was an area built in this very small, soft, kind of volcanic porous material that they were able to carve down into. And it's basically right in the center of the ancient world. So think about what I'm talking about with these civilizations around Lake Vaughan in eastern Turkey, and then areas like in western Turkey and then southern Mesopotamia. This region of Turkey is this kind of higher plateau area. That's right in the center of all of it. And I can only imagine these ancient cultures all were. Had been aware of a previous cycle of. Of what had happened to them, and so they had created those underground areas to then survive another one. But the scariest part is, Sean, that there's no evidence that they ever came back out.
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Sean
Whoa.
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Matt
So, for instance, like, again, the whole idea of species with amnesia is what could have happened to totally reset us? If you have cultures that are carrying knowledge down of their ancient ways and all the knowledge that they once knew, the fact that our civilization didn't take very much of that with us and we got knocked down to a very primitive time means that most of them probably never made it back out.
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Sean
Damn.
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Matt
If we're talking. Think about it right now. If we're looking at climatic events over a period of like 1500 years, periodic climatic events that are far more destructive than anything we've seen in thousands of years here on Earth. Thousands of years. Things like nuclear winters from coronal mass ejection events where there's radioactivity and climatic things that are so severe that ice ages are taking over, and you're getting incredibly volatile time periods where you can't even be on the surface. Imagine them going down there and trying to survive for generations. Entire people, kids being born that never even see the above world, that have to live their entire life underground. And how many generations can go by before, you know, they just never, you know, they never come back out again because they run out of resources and they don't. They don't survive. It looks like. I believe that the cultures that went down there, because we're talking about, you know, hundreds of years potentially, they could have. They could have not come back out.
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Sean
So they all died, you think?
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Matt
Well, I mean, it's not like all the people on Earth died or we wouldn't be here, but I think, like, look at today. Don't we have places in the world, like in the Amazon or remote islands off of India and Africa, where there are people that live so primitive that they're literally closed off to the outside world? Right. They're living completely in harmony with the nature. They have no technology. You know, Papua New guinea and other places. They have no connection to this technological world like we do, Right?
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Sean
Yep.
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Matt
But we're living at the same. In the same world as they are. Right. The same time period, I think it was much the same in the ancient world, is that there were indigenous groups around the world at that time that were living in pockets that didn't get nearly as affected. Give you an example. Like, parts of Africa in the Amazon didn't seem to have the same effects from these climatic events that other areas did.
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Sean
So they didn't get hit with the Ice age in Africa.
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Matt
And just other things like massive tsunamis, huge CME events. It wasn't, it wasn't across the whole Earth in like an even way. When we had these magnetic incursions and shifts of the poles, it looks like parts of the Earth got a lot more affected than others.
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Sean
Makes sense.
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Matt
Like I'll give you an example. What are called megafauna are large mammals. Right. If you look around the Earth, most of the megafauna that are still here, like Randall Carlson talks about, are mostly in Africa. During the last Ice age, during the Pleistocene, most of the large megafauna in the Northern hemisphere and Southern hemisphere all went extinct. It's estimated that 44 million megafauna. Million like woolly mammoths and mastodons and you know, saber toothed tigers, maybe saber toothed cats, all these creatures, dire wolves. Right. They were all real creatures that existed around the world. They were wiped out at the same exact time period that all the evidence is showing that the ancient civilizations and the temples and the blocks were all destroyed and scattered everywhere and that the cultures that lived there were wiped out.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
So we're looking at, you know, ice cores and climatic data is lining up with the disappearance of this lost civilization around the world with the destruction of the megafauna all across the world as well in the Northern and Southern hemisphere. I'll give you an example. In the early 1900s, there was a whole group that was exploring the New Siberian Islands up in above Siberia in Canada and they found a 25 foot alder tree that had green leaves that had been flash frozen 25ft tall. Okay. Guess what though, it's hundreds of miles north of where any trees can grow. Okay. At the same time, in the area of the New Siberian Islands, they found mammoths that were completely frozen as well, in a state of basically preserving with food undigested foods still in their throats and stomachs. Now it's kind of funny, but Purdue of all companies is the one who ended up doing a study. Because they freeze food, right?
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
They did a study on these mastodons and they had to determine how that could have happened without them putrefying, like rotting.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
And what they determined is that the Macedons had to have been frozen at negative 150 degrees Fahrenheit.
- [58:05]
Sean
Whoa.
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Matt
So today the coldest temperature that's ever been recorded in modern history is like 127 degrees below zero in Antarctica. Okay. It means that during this time period that those megafauna disappeared around the Earth, we also had this massive flash freeze across the northern hemisphere that froze the hardiest megafauna animals on Earth instantly. Now, remember what I said, the 25 foot alder tree with the green leaves. Not only did that tree grow where it's not supposed to be, and I'll tell you why in a second, but it froze instantly as well. The reason I say that is that ice cores from Greenland show that before this flash freeze of the Younger Dryas, there's a time period called the older dryas at 14 and a half thousand years ago that had a spike in temperatures on the Earth where it was like warmer than it is now. Okay. That seems to be the event that caused a massive melting of the last ice age. So you have this tree growing where it's not supposed to be because the Earth rapidly got very, very, very warm. Okay. So mammoths are living up there, there's things growing. And then instantly plummets. Instantly plummets. At 12,800 years ago, the temperatures plummet colder than even the last ice age, which aligns with exactly what I was saying about them finding that the temperatures looked like they all of a sudden plummeted to negative 150 below zero.
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Sean
That's so cool. That's so cold. Holy crap.
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Matt
Just like instantly though, Sean.
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Sean
So do you think that's why those guys went underground then?
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Matt
That's the same time period that we're seeing geologic evidence that the lost civilizations were dealing with the same thing that they were going through those events and having to go underground to survive these absolutely catastrophic end of the world events around the world. And it, but it went on for so long again, 1500 years, off and on. Dang.
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Sean
It was that cold for 15.
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Matt
Well, no, it went, it was like a seesaw. So imagine these different periods where you have these very, very significant events at different intervals, but between you still have a crazy unbalanced climate and, but on, on either end of it, you have these devastating events. So even if you survive like hundreds of years into it, then you try to go back out or something and you just get wiped out again. It's, it's a, that's why I think humanity went through a complete reset.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
Of its, of its civilization, because those ancient civilizations, some of the rebuilders, we'll call them, tried to restart humanity, but they didn't make it. We, we we forgot everything. We start over again. And the knowledge that's left is in these small ancient temples and areas that survived that were buried and protected. Right. There's evidence that Gobekli Tepe was. Was buried and concealed as well. Like they knew that it had to survive to another time or humanity wouldn't remember anything about who they are.
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Sean
Insane.
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Matt
And here we are now, finally at this time period where all these esoteric and ancient mysteries are coming back to life and we're all of a sudden remembering who we once were and all that we knew. And we're rebuilding the pieces of what they call like the new Atlantis. Right, the new golden age.
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Sean
Yeah. It feels like we're putting the pieces back together this time around.
- [61:32]
Matt
Right, Exactly.
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Sean
Hopefully there's not another reset anytime soon.
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Matt
I think humanity may have something that they didn't have though. Is that as smart as they were and as deeply connected as they were building these incredible structures that may have been helping to try to balance the Earth, the magnetosphere of the Earth, we may have certain technologies that they didn't have, like, I know, like different weather modification and different things like Nikola Tesla type of magnetic technology using free energy that may be, I believe, may be secretly being used to help prevent this next cycle that we're in right now. Remember I said the great year. So the great year is 25,800 years. Okay. It's the cycle of the entire pivot of the Earth through different constellations. Okay. Half of that great year is about 12,000 years. Okay. 12,000 would change. We're in that exact cycle right now. Those disasters I just mentioned about them having to go underground and the megafaun had been destroyed during the Younger Dryas. That's just a little over 12,000 years ago. So we're in that cycle again right now.
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Sean
That's why you're probably seeing a lot of solar flares. Right.
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Matt
That's exactly why we're seeing this activity again. We're having another repeat of the same types of events. However, I think that we may have things that we can do that they didn't have. A lot of people are going to come on that talk about this. They're going to be doom and gloom, saying like, oh, we're going to be wiped out. I believe that we are have the mechanisms and the means to prevent our own destruction potentially for the first time ever in our history.
- [63:10]
Sean
That's exciting. Yeah. Because there wasn't any evidence that we could travel into space before. Right.
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Matt
Well, not even leaving the planet, being able to somehow Balance, Balance. Things like magnetic incursions of our planet, which are happening right now. There's been a magnetic incursion happening at the magnetic North Pole for the last 20 plus years. That's why they've had to go back and fly up to get new readings, because it has to do with all of our instruments that we use for navigation. Like I'll give you an example. The ancient Inuit culture of Northern Canada has used the stars for hunting for thousands of years. And elders had come forth throughout the 90s and told people that they can no longer follow the stars to navigate. Like, because the north. The North Star is no longer. Things are no longer in the same place any longer because our magnetic North Pole is changing. It no longer allows the same navigation. It's that magnetic incursion is already occurring.
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Sean
Wow. It's that, like, noticeable. Like you can't even hunt now or.
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Matt
Yeah, because the same. The stars have shifted in the sky because our Earth has shifted.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
And so that's just an indication that we're going through one of these cycles. But at the same time, it's like the Earth gets blasted with this increased energy of the sun and helps lead to conscious shifts and these huge leaps in humanity. It's all part of the cycle, Sean.
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Sean
It's crazy to zoom out and look at life that way, you know?
- [64:39]
Matt
Well, that's. We're just playing roles within something greater.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Matt
So this is like. That's why I say this is one of the greatest times you can ever live in humanity. All the mysteries and all the secrets are all coming to light. We have an interconnected world. Like, right now you're. We're talking through this digital means that is going to reach, you know, potentially millions around the world. We didn't have that ability before.
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Sean
That's true.
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Matt
Now we have the ability to spread knowledge and to connect people in a way we never had because we're just like a global. We're like a global collective.
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Sean
Yeah. And you get to meet with the brightest minds and collab with them. I know you work with Billy Carson, Robert Edward Grant, and a lot of top, you know, people in the world.
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Matt
So, yeah, we get to. We get to do something that has potentially not happened before. I mean, right now I am working, working to lead a documentary with, again, top experts around the world. Robert Schoch, Robert Edward Grant, Hans Orheim, the archaeologist Paul Wallace, Lydia de Leon, Arturo Ponce de Leon. These are all geobiologists, geologists, archaeologists, polymaths, sacred geometry experts. We're bringing the top experts in the world to look at all of these sites. Again, like I mentioned, all around Lake Vaughan, the underwater ruins, these giant, incredible megaliths and artifacts and going and connecting to things like Peru and Bolivia with the same artifacts, types of designs, the same motifs and symbols. Places like Egypt, places like Menorca, Spain, that all had the same T pillars, the same type of triptych doorway, the same type of crosses. It's like this. It's not like a primitive type of knowledge. It's like an interconnected ancient knowledge, like almost Atlantean knowledge that was passed around the world that's waiting for this time when humanity can realize that the language, the language that the ancients spoke wasn't written down. It was through symbols.
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Sean
Yeah. And these symbols were everywhere. So they were definitely communicating back then in some way.
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Matt
That was how they were preserving to leave behind their messages. Because symbols are difficult to interpret and understand unless you have a certain mindset. And the reason they would do that is that I'll give you an example. The reason why Socrates didn't want to write anything down was that he believed that it could be misinterpreted. And so that is why he didn't. Plato learned everything he. He knew from Socrates, and then he wrote it down. But the idea with the ancient mystery schools, they call them, was that certain knowledge was too powerful for the average person to have. And so what they did is they hid it within symbols and motifs so that only the initiates and those who were studied could understand what they meant.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
Because to regular people, it wouldn't make any sense to them. So it was a way of protecting these messages for groups and civilizations that had reached a certain consciousness where all of a sudden, the veil could be lifted and they could understand the ancient knowledge that connected everything.
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Sean
That's fascinating. They say that about numerology, too, how all the numbers are just in plain sight, but you got to interpret them.
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Matt
Well, that's the way. Because our. Our universe is built on geometry and mathematics, that there's a design woven into all of it, that once we can discover that, we can be like gods because we can realize the connection and the pattern that exists in all things. Right. With a flower of life. The flower of life symbol is a mathematical geometric shape that connects literally everything in the universe. And right now, the underwater ruins that we're exploring that have all these connections, that flower of life symbol is on those stones.
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Sean
Wow.
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Matt
Encompassed on those stones to survive the test of time. And I'm happy to show you a picture to put up of this to.
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Sean
Show that, yeah, we'll throw it up that day.
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Matt
I mean, think about it. If you have underwater ruins that are 75ft underwater, that would have meant that the levels of that lake would have had to have been over 80ft lower to be able to create those structures in the first place. And so we're exploring into the evidence to prove how old some of these civilizations may be because of some of this scientific evidence of when things like water levels raised and how they raised. So we're finally bringing evidence, Sean, because you can't date stone. We're bringing evidence from things like vitrification evidence, combining with climatic evidence and things like the underwater ruins and sediment cores to be able to bring real science in, to prove once and for all that we have an entire lost chapter of our history that's been forgotten to try to piece together again so that history books can talk about this legacy of what we once were.
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Sean
That's beautiful. You're going to rewrite some books, my man. I can't wait to see it. And where can people watch your stuff?
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Matt
Please check out my website, the stage of Time.com. you can see all the information about the upcoming documentary where again we're going to be filming, where we've done numerous scouting trips and we're planning everything to be filming this this coming year and then into 2025 for, for basically these areas of Turkey, Menorca, Spain, Peru and Bolivia. To connect the lost narrative around the world, to bring people on this, this ancient mystery, to explore all the evidence from this lost civilization or civilizations that other. So many other people like you talk a thought, talk to are helping bring to light the evidence to truly show us everything that we've forgotten and what we're missing.
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Sean
Perfect. We'll link it below. Thanks so much, man. We'll talk after your trip.
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Matt
Thanks, Sean. It's good talking to you, my friend.
- [70:23]
Sean
Awesome. Peace. See you guys.