Andrew vs Coach Greg: Outsmart Relationship Challenges: Expert Advice | DSH #1623

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Digital Social Hour Podcast Summary

Episode: Andrew vs Coach Greg: Outsmart Relationship Challenges: Expert Advice | DSH #1623
Date: November 16, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Andrew Wilson & Coach Greg Adams ("Free Agent Lifestyle")

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Episode Overview

In this heated and unfiltered debate, Sean Kelly (host of Digital Social Hour) moderates a provocative face-off between Andrew Wilson and Coach Greg Adams. The duo tackles the pressing and contentious question: Is marriage worth it for men in the West? The conversation quickly gravitates toward divorce risk, religious vs secular marriage frameworks, societal trends, and deeper cultural issues—punctuated by pointed arguments, frequent interruptions, and sharp wit.

The episode offers a candid look at two highly polarized perspectives on male vulnerability in relationships, the erosion and possible revival of marriage, and the effectiveness of religious, legal, and social structures in protecting men.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Opening Salvos: Is Marriage Good or Bad for Men?

[01:02–02:12] Coach Greg Adams:

• Argues marriage historically built better communities and fostered good environments for children.
• Modern legal structures (no-fault divorce, biased courts) have made it high-risk for men.
• "Would I recommend marriage for them and they were in a certain position in life, they weren't established? I would say no. There's no benefit for a person to get married today." (01:57)

[02:15–03:52] Andrew Wilson:

• Counters that the issue raised is with divorce, not marriage itself.
• Proposes using religious (“ecclesiastical”) marriage frameworks—especially Catholicism and Orthodoxy—which apply community/social pressures to deter divorce and maintain family structure.
• Critiques secular marriage as meaningless compared to its religious roots.

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2. Religious vs State Marriage – Can Faith Shield Men?

[04:12–08:33]

• Adams is skeptical: "Most men aren't religious. Most men aren't looking for to be under a religious orthodoxy. So it doesn't apply." (05:00)
• Wilson disagrees, citing the Amish and traditional believers as proof that religious community enforcement can dramatically reduce divorce.
• Social contagion & peer pressure: Wilson argues divorce is contagious in secular settings but can be checked in tight-knit religious communities.
  • “That social contagion is eliminated because now we have an ecclesiastical structure... that’s an application of a serious and significant social pressure.” (06:33)

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3. “Land of Make-Believe” Accusations & Practicality

[07:40–14:20]

• Adams repeatedly calls Wilson’s model “pie in the sky” and "land of make-believe," asserting that most people neither want nor will access religious marriage frameworks.
• Wilson pushes back: “My assumption is that your mission is to let men know about marriage.” (08:33)
• Both agree on demographics and socioeconomics affecting risk, differing mostly on whether solutions like prenups or non-state marriages are scalable.

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4. Historical Context, Tradition & Cherry-picking the Past

[20:13–23:02]

• Adams challenges Wilson’s nostalgia for 1950s/’60s marriage statistics, highlighting darker aspects of historical tradition: “People were getting their heads chopped off... you have to accept everything as the past. You can’t just cherry pick.” (20:48)
• Wilson insists that even recent decades (not just ancient history) show religious frameworks work when implemented.

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5. Mitigating Divorce Risk: What Actually Works?

[33:00–39:00]

• They cite varying statistics.
  • Moderator pulls up divorce rates: Catholic 19-25%, Mainline Protestant 30-35%, Evangelical 26-33%, US Average 33%.
  • Wilson: “Much lower. Much lower.”
• Wilson: “You can’t mitigate risk for anything 100%. It’s not possible.” (38:21)
• Adams: “So now why are we telling men to get married?” (38:25)

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6. Other Risks Within Marriage (Beyond Divorce): Sexlessness and Infidelity

[40:42–43:28]

• Adams broadens critique: Sexless marriages, infidelity, and “sex enforcement” are persistent risks—religious authority won’t fix them.
• Wilson: Argues religious communities mitigate these risks too. “Sorry, lady, you gotta fuck your husband. That’s part of God’s law.” (42:45)
• Adams: Questions practicality—only a tiny % of women are virgins, and regular “social pressure” isn’t enforceable in modern society.

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7. Cultural and Demographic Disparities: Black vs White Marriage Trends

[49:10–53:33]

• Wilson: Higher divorce in black communities tied to economic insecurity, high abortion, matriarchal homes, and loss of religious structure.
• Adams: Admits problems persist; doubts any prescription can solve these large-scale cultural shifts. Suggests community demise is inevitable under current cultural trends.

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8. Policy Solutions, Realistic Prescriptions & The Need for Change

[54:46–63:28]

• Wilson: Calls for outlawing abortion, pushing for traditional church influence, removing certain social programs, and using propaganda to valorize family.
• Adams: Sees these as obvious but unlikely; focuses on what men can do today, like learning “red flags,” reading his book, and opting out of risky marriages.

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9. Data Wars & Book Sales – Whose Solution 'Helps More Men'?

[70:12–77:18, 110:05–117:12]

• Both argue over how many men their respective advice or communities have actually helped—neither can produce ironclad numbers.
• Adams leans into his YouTube/statistics and audience; Wilson leans on comparative divorce rates and church sizes.

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10. Are “Free Agent” Men and Feminists the Same?

[98:00–103:36]

• Wilson says Adams’ “feminism for men” (seeking freedom from marriage obligations, financial security, sexual liberty) is like the 1970s feminist movement but in reverse.
• Adams rejects this: “The man didn’t intentionally go in there to say this is for our bodies. We went in there to say this is for to control our finances. Then as a result of that, there could be some other things.” (103:07)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Coach Greg Adams: “Marriage is a great institution...however, marriage has not progressed to the point where men could be safe legally...if someone asked me, would I recommend marriage for them...I would say no.” (01:02–02:12)

• Andrew Wilson: “You didn’t give any anti-marriage arguments. I heard anti-divorce arguments. So why wouldn’t you just throw your weight behind institutions where the divorce rate is the least and you have an ecclesiastical structure?” (02:15–03:52)

• Coach Greg Adams: “Most men aren’t looking for to be under a religious orthodoxy. So it doesn’t apply. So you’re taking a moral standard or a religious standard to apply to people who aren’t under that veil.” (05:00)

• Andrew Wilson: “If it is the case that you get married to a woman who’s a virgin, but she’s a virgin because she’s a Christian...your chances of that marriage ending, very, very, very small.” (41:36–42:45)

• Coach Greg Adams: “You’re trying to drag me to church. I’m taking you outside of church.” (34:53)

• Andrew Wilson: “The progressive mantra is that sexual liberation...marriage was a complete trap for women. What is the distinction in your message in that one to men?” (98:00)

• Coach Greg Adams: “You want the same thing, independence from women to control your own finances.” (101:22)

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Additional Highlights

• Debate Tone: Sharp, at times hostile, with both sides accusing the other of being in “make believe land” or relying on impractical fantasies.
• Empirical Disputes: Most data around ecclesiastical marriages are anecdotal and neither side can definitively “prove” their model works best at scale.
• Cultural Critiques: Both agree that current Western culture is not conducive to strong marriages, but Adams is skeptical that this can be fixed by religious revival alone.
• Policy Prescriptions: Wilson pushes big, long-term wins (policy, propaganda, new incentives); Adams focuses on immediate individual risk management (education, opting out).

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Useful Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:02–03:52] – Opening arguments: Is marriage worth it?
• [05:00–07:38] – Religious vs secular solutions
• [13:52–14:20] – Adams: “Take moral crusades out, focus on reality”
• [20:13–21:16] – “Cherry-picking” the past and religious tradition
• [35:07–39:00] – Divorce statistics for Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants
• [41:36–43:21] – Virginity, sexless marriages, and church enforcement
• [54:46–56:19] – Wilson’s prescriptions for the black community
• [70:12–71:43] – Data wars over audience help and books
• [98:00–100:09] – “Free agent lifestyle” compared to feminism
• [110:00–117:12] – Book sale banter and comedic closing exchanges

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Final Takeaways

Both guests acknowledge marriage—especially in its traditional, religious, and community-enforced forms—has produced strong outcomes for men, women, and children throughout history. However, Coach Greg Adams insists the legal reality in the West makes marriage too dangerous for most modern men, advocating education and personal responsibility instead. Andrew Wilson counters that restoring robust ecclesiastical/community frameworks (alongside political and cultural reforms) offers the only real shot at saving marriage in the West and healing deep social wounds.

For listeners concerned about marriage, divorce, and social trends affecting men, this debate offers a thorough, if at times fractious, review of the options, challenges, and possible ways forward—leaving the resolution open but the issues clearer.

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Transcript

[Andrew Wilson]

If you get married, you may get a divorce. If this happens, then this may happen.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We already looked at the statistics of it likely happen.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. So you want to go.

[Coach Greg Adams]

In order for your marriage to work, they have to be white, Christian, make money, and then also we live in.

[Andrew Wilson]

A certain region, the black community. You have more divorces in the white community. There's going to be contributing factors for why that is. I don't think that, like black people are just ontologically different than white people. For the black community, there's a bunch of. One, you have a distinction in economic certitude. The second one is you had a massive abortion rate. Another one is you use matriarchal structures in the family home instead of patriarchal. So you have multiple factors here which need to be addressed. I agree with that. Nobody ever disagreed with that, though.

[Moderator]

Okay, guys, finally getting started. Thanks for being patient. I know there was some delays. We Got Andrew here vs. Coach Greg Adams, aka the Free Agent lifestyle we're going to talk about today. Is marriage worth it for men in the West? So let's get into some opening statements. Who wants to start off?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah, man, marriage is a great institution. It was an institution that built the community of America. Most of the better communities that have safety, good children, good schools are typically centered around marriage. However, marriage has not progressed to the point where men could be safe legally. And a lot of men have experience tremendous damage, collateral damage as a result. And it has led to broken families, a lot of broken hearts, simply because the laws are not positioned to benefit both people. In a divorce, therefore, you have no fault divorce. You have opportunities for women to use the courts against men. And as a result, men have seen one, two, and three generations of men getting harmed, their grandfathers, their fathers, their uncles, their brothers getting harmed by this. So Generation Z men are not positioning themselves for a positive marriage. So at this particular point, if someone asked me, would I recommend marriage for them and they were in a certain position in life, they weren't established, I would say no. There's no benefit for a person to get married today.

[Andrew Wilson]

Got it.

[Moderator]

Response, Andrew?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I didn't hear any anti marriage arguments. I heard anti divorce arguments. So I'm with you on divorce 100%.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Stream over and we're, I guess, agree.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it's a good thing that the topic isn't on divorce, it's on marriage. And it seems like you agree with my proposition then. And the proposition is that marriage, quote, is a great institution and that right now your concern is that men can't be safe in marriage. But that's not actually what you're saying. You're not saying men can't be safe in marriage. They can. You're saying that they may not be safe in divorce. So I have a counter proposition for you. My counter proposition is what if it's the case that you can use religious marriage institutions without the state and then we add the ecclesiastical structure of the marriage. That's what always kept them together anyway before the state was ever involved. So what if instead we use the ecclesiastical church, the structure of the. The old churches? That would be Catholicism and orthodoxy, where you see the lowest divorce rates because the community puts pressure on the women to act. Right. That's what they do. Right. Now the state applies no pressure on women to act. Right? Right. You can just go and file whatever you want, get a divorce and go v banging the neighbor by the next night. We totally agree on that. But to say that we should abandon marriage is silly. It seems like you're completely pro marriage, you just anti divorce. So why wouldn't you just throw your weight behind institutions where the divorce rate is the least and you have an ecclesiastical structure which can be appealed to to assist with that? That's what makes no sense to me.

[Coach Greg Adams]

My response to that is if, if we're fifths, we beat all drunk. All right? So that's a scenario that just isn't present.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you explain the analogy for me?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, if we use if. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. If we say if we have a situation where this is present, then this would work. Well, that makes sense.

[Andrew Wilson]

If we had that we do have right now.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, it doesn't necessarily work because, and I'm going to tell you why, because a woman can go to a divorce attorney and they can simply just say, hey, listen, it was a off the cuff, off the state divorce, but you got married within a certain state or she filed in a certain state. So therefore the divorce goes on. Absolutely, yes. Listen, I've, I've been to with the divorce attorneys and what they'll tell you is, hey, listen, you can get married in a ritual, you can get married in the orthodoxy, you can get married off record. But if she files and that woman is hell bent on saying we got married, I don't care if it was a ceremony where we walked on coals with our feet bare, that's considered a marriage. You also have common law. You have a lot of other ways for that woman to establish marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

How does your way eliminate common law?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't have any way to eliminate common law. What I have is a way for men to avoid. Well, then the argument. No, the argument is not silly. So here's what you have. You have a if proposition which doesn't exist for most men. Most men aren't religious. Most men aren't looking for to be under a religious orthodoxy. So it doesn't apply. So you're taking a moral standard or a religious standard to apply to people who aren't under that veil.

[Andrew Wilson]

So let's start with a couple of things you said which are fundamentally untrue. Most men are religious, in fact, including in this country, most of them, not some of them, but they're not. Hang on, hang on. I didn't.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I understand. But you're maybe just take that point. Most aren't under your religion. Okay, you can agree with that.

[Andrew Wilson]

So here's the thing, though. But Catholicism, orthodoxy is growing rapidly. And if it's the case that the ecclesiastical structure is already there, which it is, right? If you're going to cohabitate with a woman, the thing that you're offering right now is common law marriage anyway, if there's cohabitation at all, you're not protecting anybody from that, at least under my model. It gives an ecclesiastical structure that's designed to prevent divorce by applying community pressure. That was the way it was always done. Apply the application of community pressure within the confines of the woman's social circle. Right? Now, do you agree with me, for instance, that many divorces happen because women like to yap? So you get a freshly divorced woman and she's free. You go girl, girl power. And she starts talking to her little friends and she starts telling them how liberating it is and how great it is and this and that. And this is why when women have divorced friends, their likelihood of divorce actually rapidly increases. It's for this reason divorce is contagious. So if it's the case that this social contagion is eliminated because now we have an ecclesiastical structure, an ecclesiastical authority which won't grant it because you get ostracized from that social group through excommunication, for instance, or not being able to participate anymore with that community, that's an application of a serious and significant social pressure which can do the very thing you want, bring back that great institution absent the state, and it avoids this whole problem of common law marriage. Because if it's the case that you can be common law married anyway inside of a state, and they can get grounds for divorce on that anyway, then we Actually need to have some social pressures to prevent them from doing that. So it sounds like we agree marriage is awesome for men. Divorce is terrible for them. So it seems like we should be attacking the divorce structure here. And it doesn't seem like you actually have anything to do that other than just avoid the thing that's great for you because this other bad side effect could happen.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Sure. So why don't we cigarettes.

[Andrew Wilson]

So why don't we attack the bad side effect when we have the mechanism to do. It's not if we can do it now.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, so like smoking cigarettes is the same thing. Analogy. You're saying, okay, here, cigarettes in this situation, we obviously know it has negative side effects, so you would avoid it. Now here's the issue that I have with it. It sounds great on paper, but we can't travel to the land of make believe. It sounds great. The majority of people probably wouldn't do it. And if you ask a guy, which this is an important part, they're not even prepared to even talk about that. They don't even know what divorce laws are. So you're asking them to travel to the land of make believe under a marriage system that small percentage of people use. No one uses it today. You might have said they used it to the past. Today that doesn't exist. So we can't travel to the land of make believe to make marriage work for you. It might work in your marriage, but it doesn't work for the greater structure.

[Andrew Wilson]

Your argument here contradicts itself because on the one hand, you say men don't know enough about marriage. But my assumption is that your mission is to let men know about marriage.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, well then I don't understand how Saland of make believe, if you can let them know about about this, but I can't. Sure that. So if I am, it sounds like I'm offering a real alternative to what you're offering. And here's what you're offering men. Marriage is great. It's a great institution. It's the best for children. These are your words in marriage, right? Men seem to thrive. Their health seems to thrive. Everything seems to thrive. You're saying, well, the problem is, is that divorce rates are high and they are. However, there's a few things there that you haven't covered. One, it depends on demographic too. For instance, if you're black, that's way it's going to be way worse than if you're white, Correct? Okay, way worse. And also socioeconomics matters, Right. Demographics in general matter. So you can Do a lot, actually, including prenuptial agreements. You can have a prenuptial agreement with the ecclesiastical authority without the state even involved. And it seems like that would mitigate your risk to damn near nothing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You said if about 50 times.

[Andrew Wilson]

So did you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Now, here's what I'm telling you. I'm telling you when. All right, we're already in this system. You're going outside of the system to create a scenario for me to argue.

[Andrew Wilson]

What system are you going outside of?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Work.

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[Coach Greg Adams]

Talking about marriage is typically done with the state. Almost everyone does it this way. So now you're here's hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. You've moved the goal post. You've moved the goal post to a scenario of if and you're arguing from the if. Hold on for a second. You're arguing from the if perspective.

[Andrew Wilson]

It is perspective.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, listen.

[Andrew Wilson]

It is.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Give me a chance to listen. Give me a chance. Go ahead. You're arguing from a very small percentage point. Now you're saying demographics and we can talk about that, but you're still trying to get me to argue in your cloud of if. That's the land of make believe. Most people by far are married to the state. Not only that, your land of make believe still exists. The prenup with the ecclesiastics. You can write whatever you want in that prenup. It only matters in the divorce. That's the reality. So I'm still dealing in reality. You're in the clouds. Hold on for a second. You're in the clouds. So let's take the demographics.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

In your scenario, it sounds like. Which would be fair, your primary concern is with white people. No, hold on for a second. You said with black people, the demographics. The chance is higher.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So have you discovered the ecclesiastics approach to black people married within this?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

However, their, their demographics, economics, which all do affect marriage, has nothing to do in the land of the clouds or the make believe. With ecclesiastics, it's all going to boil down to in the law. And there's no church Reverend, that's going to go into your household to make sure there's social pressure on your wife. Do you know any.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, okay. Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Do you know any that can cover all marriages? That.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes, there is no yes, by the way, when you keep.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Are we, are we in reality here?

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm trying clouds.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean, we're, we're not, we're not arguing anything. This is, this is, this is an Atlanta make believe.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, when we're not allowed to respond.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, me a second. Let me finish this point.

[Andrew Wilson]

Go ahead.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're imagining. Your imagination is great, John L. It would be great. You know, you would be proud of you at this particular point.

[Andrew Wilson]

But I'm imagining all the people.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're imagining all the people under a situation and a structure that you brought in here. All right. But the state highly governs this. And the state highly governs divorce. I'm dealing in a reality situation where I'm trying to counsel men to give information to. The best thing you've told me is that you're willing to give men the option to do this. Are they willing to all do this option? The answer is probably not. Just like they're not willing to do what I'm telling them to do. However, we're both attempting. Which is a good thing. It's noble. However, your situation rarely exists. Can we talk about the reality of what exists? Sure, absolutely. So let's take your moral religious crusade out of it and talk about the reality. Are you willing to do that?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well, here's the thing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

See, you're not willing to do that because it's all based on your reality.

[Andrew Wilson]

Guess what? It's a debate. And I will argue my points from my, from my view. How I see fits. Not for you to go.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What I'm not going to do is expect me arguing from the land of make believe.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay. All right, so turn. My turn. Have the, anybody have the sound effect for the, the Television show where the train comes through Mr. Rogers. Because I want to be on. I want to be on Earth.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, let me know.

[Moderator]

All right, let's let Andrew respond.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, so the thing is, it's funny that you bring up Imagine all the people of John Lennon, which is an anti religious song and hilariously enough was designed to assist with female empowerment. Isn't that hilarious? But the thing here is you keep on saying that what I'm offering is make believe, but it's not. It's been governing the orthodox and Catholic Church for 2,000 years, including in this country. Now here, let me give you an example. For instance, the Amish, right? Do you know what the divorce rate is among them? It's almost non existent, yet they're still governed by the same laws of the land that you're speaking to. So sounds like if I give a counter, if I say, look, I can give you a way, a methodology in which you can utilize the religious ecclesiastical institution which has existed for 2000 years and has right now the lowest divorce rates right this second, as we speak. Not in make believe land, not hundreds of years in the future, right this second. As opposed to the system you have of common law divorce, which is sky high and you can't do anything about it. That's what is true. So pointing out what is true. What is true is right now you can have a prenup. That is true. What is true is prenups are usually held up in court. That is true. What is true is that you can have a marriage outside of a state because it's a religious institution anyway. You never have to have a license with the state. It's never been necessary. And if you do, the only way that that can be done is if it's sacramental. And if it's sacramental, it's governed now by the church. That's going to be the community the women are a part of. And so the thing is, it's like that sounds like a real viable solution. What's yours? More degeneracy. Go out and play the field. Hump a lot of chicks. How's that going to help anybody do anything? That's been the progressive mantra for a hundred years. Isn't it wonderful? Your turn.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, we're returning back to earth now. First things first, when it comes to this back in reality, there's no God in marriage. So Mr. Sky Daddy, God, religion, that's all great, but there's no God in marriage. At this particular point, when you go through a marriage, if one person decides to not obey the Holy Bible or whatever you're thumping, you have no basis to keep that marriage together. If she decides to leave the church and decides not to listen or excommunicate herself, she's now under the state. I agree. Now, when you're getting divorced, which I'm assuming you've been divorced.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, I mean, that's a hell of an assumption, Bake.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Have you been divorced? I mean, have you been married?

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you tell me if you can tell me how that has any merit?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Give me a second. Because if you've been through one, you would know that there's no God in the divorce court, in the family court. There's no God in there. No one asked.

[Andrew Wilson]

There is the state in there.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There is the state. So that's what we're arguing. Yeah, that's when you get married. So you're telling me if. And I'm telling you, well, this is what's going to happen. Even if you took Sky Daddy into court with you, they would say you pray to the judge. The judge is the authority in the court. So the God argument is a nice, interesting argument. And I probably are not going to say on the conversation very long because that's your God, that's your Sky Daddy. That's your religion. I have a different religion. So who gives you the. Listen, who gives you the authority to change the understanding, the conversation to your religion? That's your religion.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm not changing the conversation.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, so it only. It only works if you believe in your Sky Daddy. That's that, that's the only way it works. And that's the only way you're going to advise men.

[Andrew Wilson]

We're talking about mitigating risk.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, no. We're talking about, can men get into a marriage today only under your Sky Daddy. That's what we're assuming.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Now can they do it otherwise?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, you can have secular marriage.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, go ahead and explain.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, yeah, make it work.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I just did make it work.

[Andrew Wilson]

The, the argument that you have is that marriage is great. It's a great institution.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We already covered this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, what made it great?

[Coach Greg Adams]

We already covered what made it great. Can we go into why it would make it work for your secular. That's the question I ask you. You're asking me questions back. Go ahead and. Go ahead and answer the question.

[Andrew Wilson]

So if you're talking about secular marriage, there's never been any point to it. I'm sorry, there's never been any point to secular marriage ever. Never. What would ever be the point of secular Marriage, it's always been a religious institution. That's what made it great. Now when you say it's a great institution, what made it great for secularists other than the fact that Sky Daddy and God had all these enforcement arms and those things had to be enforced socially. Like for instance, men weren't allowed to run away. And women, right, they had to show cause for these divorces and they had to be good causes. They had to show it for things like infidelity. Right? It was all biblically governed. It was all lawfully governed by this Sky Daddy guy you like so little. But that's what made the institution great in the first place. And what you're talking about here, you're making a point that divorce is bad. And yet I agree divorce is bad. So what we're really talking about is how do we mitigate the risk for divorce? And we have two different methods here.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, the conversation is marriage good for men? That's the conversation.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it is. We, we already said it's good for men. Men, that's not even a decision.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Now how do we make it better since they're avoiding.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, it sounds.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Men or women are avoiding it.

[Andrew Wilson]

It sounds like the thing that you think makes it bad is divorce, not marriage.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct.

[Andrew Wilson]

Then we need to mitigate.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're 15 minutes in and we are in the land of reality. You finally called up. Can you tell how we can get to the secular marriage? I mean, I've given you a chance. You're dragging your.

[Andrew Wilson]

So again, secular. There's never been any point to secular marriage ever.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Now listen, marriage is for child creation. It would be great for child communities and all of these things. And now listen, by the time the religious aspects got in the marriage, they were chopping people heads off and burning Bibles. So listen, I know we want to take it back to the past and act like the past was better, but there's always a negative part of the past. If you go back and you look at the English, this has all been there. People were getting their heads chopped off. The crusaders were doing their things across countries and they were spreading Christianity to threats. Now that's what you're trying to uplift. That's what you're trying to uphold.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You wouldn't know what I'm talking. That's where you're lacking.

[Andrew Wilson]

I have no idea.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Catch up. You're sitting across from me with divorce. That was when your holy marriage was the best marriage that you're trying to go to. Now, Listen, in the 1950s, were we.

[Andrew Wilson]

Crusading on the 19th? What the hell you talking about?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You talked about the institution of marriage for 2000 years, sir. Do you need me to catch you up on what you're talking about? You're having trouble keeping up with me. You're having trouble keeping up with me. You said thousand years ago. And I told you 2,000 years ago, they were chopping people's heads off. I.

[Andrew Wilson]

Which has what to do with it?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I want you to catch up with me, sir.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If you want to take things back to the past, you have to accept everything as the past. You can't just cherry pick. Wow. Here's the thing. You're cherry picking. If you want to take things back to tradition, take it all the way back. Why stop at the 50s? Take it back to the. To the 1890s.

[Andrew Wilson]

What you're saying right now is so incoherent. I actually don't even understand.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, that's what. Listen, when you're. When you're running out of both. When you're running out of bullets, the last thing you do is the shame. All right?

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm not even trying to. It's just incoherent.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I need you to catch up with me.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay? Catch me up.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Just say you're lacking. If you can't keep it up. Here's the problem. Here's the problem.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't know what to tell you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Here's the problem. You're.

[Andrew Wilson]

2,000 years ago, they were chopping heads off. Who gives a.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What does that mean? Thousand years ago. I'm coming up with yours. Your. Your holy religious. 2000 years ago. It's been a part of life.

[Andrew Wilson]

Does it have to do with this?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly. Here's the problem. You're cherry picking.

[Andrew Wilson]

Cherry picking What?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Listen. I'm listening. I'm gonna slow you down. I'm gonna slow you down because I see what you're doing here. I'm gonna slow you down, okay. Because it's hard for you to keep up.

[Andrew Wilson]

It is.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I understand. I understand. Because you. I am in cry. This is your toughest debate. Your audience knows this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, it's rough.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There's no God in marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

In the United States.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Can we agree to that? When you get to divorce. There's no God in marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can't agree to that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We need to agree to it. Because when you go into divorce court. Yeah. There's no God. You can't bring in your God and your Bible. And at that particular point, none of your ecclesiastics. Marriage works.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Period.

[Andrew Wilson]

So the thing is, you just said, can we agree that there's no God in marriage? And then he's.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You don't have to agree.

[Andrew Wilson]

But. Hang on, calm down. And then he switched over to divorce. There's no God in divorce. But those are two different questions and propos. Hang on, relax. The second thing is, is that me saying that what made marriage a great institution is this whole Sky Daddy character, and that the institution has been in place for 2000 years and has been. Hang on, calm down. And it's been a strong institution. I'm not actually sure how tying in that at the time. They cut people's heads off. What that has to do with the fact that in the 1950s and 40s, you still had 95% of these marriages staying together. This is not ancient history. This is not even early American history. That's. Hang on. That's in your. In your. In your grandfather's lifetime, basically. And this, by the way, that was the case for black marriages as well. Very strong institutions. But all of those institutions were that way because they followed that whole Sky Daddy thing. They were like, oh, that Sky Daddy's gonna smite us if we don't. And so what you do here is you're giving the classic progressive argument, which is, well, you know, guys, it is true that it's a great institution, and it is true. It's the best place in the world to have children for the continuation of the species. And also, it's fantastic for men's health. It's fantastic for their mental health. It's great for them in almost every way. But that divorce thing is real bad. And I counter. You're right, that divorce thing is real bad. We have now a center of agreement, but now we're going back to the marriage in the west thing, which is that whole great institution problem. Well, if we agree that what made it good, which you just did, is, hey, that Sky Daddy guy. And then I point out that right now you can still utilize that Sky Daddy guy for an ecclesiastical marriage outside of the state. Hang on. And the only thing you could do is say, what about common law? But you can't govern anybody from common law. And at least in the ecclesiastical institution, you have social pressures on women to stay married. You can't offer a man anything like that. Give me a single social pressure you can offer that would actually keep these marriages together. One. What? What? Just one.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Can I answer something you just said? This would be interesting, but can we.

[Andrew Wilson]

Answer that question then?

[Coach Greg Adams]

No. Before before, oh, 1940.

[Andrew Wilson]

You gotta ask me a question.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm listening. I'm listening to you. You asked the question at the end. If you would have asked it at the beginning, possibly I might have been able to address it. But let me address this point. Okay. You said the 1940s and 1950s with this imaginary sky daddy controlling marriages. That sounds like enforcement. Because by the time the 1970s came around, the very first chance women got to file a no fault divorce without need for evidence, without need to have a private investigator to prove an affair. They did. Yes. It was the 70s started by Ronald Reagan. Yeah, I'll educate you came along. Hold on for a second. No, no, no, I got the floor here. I got the floor. So you said the religious institutions governed it and made it great. The 1970s came along and soon as they did, women start to file divorces at record rates. Which is back to my conversation. Soon as you remove the authority of Skydaddy, now you're back with the state. And now you have difficulty. And now the risk is now greater. So that's the, that's the issue that.

[Andrew Wilson]

It sounds like men should be moving towards Skydaddy then, because it mitigates their risk.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The courts, the nation should.

[Andrew Wilson]

There's no course.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But how do you enforce that?

[Andrew Wilson]

What court? What course? You're not getting a marriage from the state. What courts are involved.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Everything you told me is a make believe scenario.

[Andrew Wilson]

How you can do it right now. How is it make believe?

[Coach Greg Adams]

How do you do that when people. Here's what ages do state, I know you want to go back to ecclesiastics. This is going to be.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do it right this second.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

You could go do it right now.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You can do it at this particular point, however. What do you mean? Here's the problem.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Can you get men to do it?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay. You might be able to think you can get men to do it, but as soon as they do it, I want you to stick around for the average of 8 to 10 years when these men start getting divorced. See, what you're doing is you're leading.

[Andrew Wilson]

We've been watching it longer.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You've been leading. You're going to lead men into a burning building. And the reason why, and this is a famous quote by Martin Luther King, is because the laws of integration didn't catch up fast enough for what he wanted for people to integrate. And what happened was it took him 12 to 15 years to realize that he led men or black people into a burning building in which integration was not possible at the time. You are also proposing the same thing. And I would like for you to stick around to see the results of what you're proposing because eventually you would have to pay the price. How did Martin Luther King pay the price? You would have to pay the price for the men that you misled.

[Andrew Wilson]

So Martin Luther misled men and that's why he was killed.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I said he misled black people. You, you missed that part. He said. Okay, let me, let me repeat it because you're slow. All right. You definitely are slow. Neanderthals for sure. Let me tell you something, I'm dragging. Martin Luther King said specifically.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Related to black people in civil rights. And I'll speak slowly for you. Yeah. That he believed at the end he led them into a burning building. I'm going to speak slower. The reason why is because the laws of integration did not catch up with what he would like to present. Black people weren't ready to integrate. As a result, he said, I may have led my people. My people, that means his people into a burning building.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You were. I would like for you under your scenario, if your movement takes off.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

To see the results. Because it took Martin Luther King 12, 15 years to see the results.

[Andrew Wilson]

I understand.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Of his efforts.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're proposing something very extreme that majority of people aren't going to do. But let's just say if. Because you like to hide in the clouds of make believe. If they did this works.

[Andrew Wilson]

Right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I would love to see you represent these men in a divorce when they get their head bit off by these so called women that are forced by Sky Daddy to stay in these marriages.

[Andrew Wilson]

Really? Like I don't even understand how you don't understand.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I know you have a hard time understand.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't actually even understand how to respond to a lot of this because so incoherent. But I'm going to try.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh yeah. See, this is, this is.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let's start.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This is his always incoherent when he understands. Perhaps you don't understand. That might be what it is. And it's okay to say you don't understand. And I can speak slowly.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't understand. But I'm going to tell you why.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm going to say dismissive. I mean, you know, I'm going to tell you why. Okay. When you're losing, just say you're losing and I can speak.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let me know when I can talk. And he gas out.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Go ahead. Okay, go ahead. So here's typical tactic. You can work that against these only fans.

[Andrew Wilson]

Go ahead.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You can Work that tactic against those only fans girls that you debate debating 23 year old ignorant women.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're smarter than you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But now they're sitting across from a person.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're always smarter than you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're sitting from a person here. Oh no, that's looking at a Neanderthal. Say you don't understand something very let.

[Andrew Wilson]

Me know when he gas.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This is the simplest thing that you can understand. Your go. Your go.

[Andrew Wilson]

Are you sure I can actually do it this time?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Please put me to sleep.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, so put me to sleep. Here's why it's incoherent and there's a bunch of this I don't understand. You keep on saying that these men are going to get divorced and yet I'm proposing non state marriages. How, how are they going to get divorced? Well, you can only say then via, via common law. But again you have no defense yourself against.

[Coach Greg Adams]

These are, these are if scenarios.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't mean I don't, I don't.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't said I was going to debate somebody that's going to come. Why do you think scenario, real scenario.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let you speak the entire time?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Give me something to speak about. You're trying to invite me to your church.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm just, I'm not going to.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Please give me a real scenario.

[Andrew Wilson]

You have to shut up long enough.

[Coach Greg Adams]

For me to do it. Come on, please. I've been here 30 minutes waiting for you to do it. All right, see a real scenario.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, so what I don't understand here again and I'm going to ask again in your incoherent worldview, okay, please. You keep on saying that these men who I propose this to are going to get divorced. But I'm not proposing that they get married through the state. The state's the one who does the divorces. So the only thing you could say is that there's a potential for common law here. But that's something you yourself cannot guard them from by your own admission. The second problem that we have here is that it's I don't have to stick around for 10 or 15 years because we can look at the numbers right now in religious marriage for what this looks like. And here's what this looks like. If you're a Catholic, you're way less likely to get divorced and if you're orthodox, even less likely to get divorced. And it's because of that ecclesiastical structure, you're not ever going to be able to prevent all risks from divorce.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Not under anything that's the most realistic. Not understand all day but not under.

[Andrew Wilson]

Any system is that going to be the case.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Why are Catholics getting divorced? How do they get divorced?

[Andrew Wilson]

They get annulments. They don't even get divorces.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And it's a really long process and it's rare. Have a similar divorce rate than the secular.

[Andrew Wilson]

No.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So they have a very close. So how do they get divorced?

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm gonna ask questions.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Good.

[Andrew Wilson]

If you. I'll answer the question.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Please tell me. Because I know how to get divorced. Right? In the divorce court.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I know. So because they got a state marriage, right?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

And I'm proposing that they don't do that. Right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay. A land of make believe. If.

[Andrew Wilson]

How is that a man believe. You can go do it right now.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Tell me what.

[Andrew Wilson]

What are you talking about?

[Coach Greg Adams]

What percentage of do this particular thing that you're doing that you're proposing?

[Andrew Wilson]

Why would that matter? Let's say it's one person. Why would that matter?

[Coach Greg Adams]

One person. Sir, you're taking a very small chance. You're arguing against me that has millions of people on my side, but you're telling me a small 20 people in the Little House on the Prairie. Yeah, do that. Do these. That you govern people without electricity and. And you riding horse and carriages. You're telling me this small percentage of people are going to lead a movement of doing something you're proposing here on YouTube. This is going. How many people are doing this?

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay. Why would matter?

[Coach Greg Adams]

It would matter because then we can use some data to determine do these people end up in divorce.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, we can, more than likely. This is great because we can look at the data.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So let's look at. Please.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do you want to look at the Catholic date and orthodox marriage?

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're talking about your ecclesiastic proposal. That's what we're talking about. This is the ecclesiastical proposal using Catholic and Christians. Their divorce rate tends to be very low. It's.

[Moderator]

I'll look it up.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's very close. Let's not get up. Hold on.

[Andrew Wilson]

What do I need? Christians.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Christians. Okay.

[Moderator]

Self id.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, let's just put Christians. Christian.

[Moderator]

He's like Christian and cop.

[Andrew Wilson]

You have to like Christian.

[Coach Greg Adams]

He likes to dice up all of these people and listen, listen. I would love to go to your church one day. I would be a wonderful guest and I would love to thump the Bible and I would love to say a prayer with you. However this conversation is entering.

[Moderator]

Can we pull up my screen?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Very much a Sky Daddy conversation. It's about belief brought up.

[Andrew Wilson]

Sky Daddy.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You, you, you brought it up.

[Moderator]

We got the divorce Rights pull night right here.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's not how brought that up. What is that?

[Coach Greg Adams]

That is a religious argument.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're an atheist. You should. Okay, let's contend.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Listen, a lot of people. A lot of people would not want to do that. You're telling me a small percentage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Who cares? We're talking about mitigating the rates of divorce. It doesn't matter how many do it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Move Forward from this 1. 1. We agree to disagree.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, we don't agree to disagree.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Your land of maker arguments. I'm not going to argue in your land of make believe.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, because you can't. Because you have no counter. You don't have one counter argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Here's a cop. Here's a counter argument.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, what is it?

[Coach Greg Adams]

There's no God in marriage. How many times do I have to say that?

[Andrew Wilson]

That's an assertion. It's not an argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If you end up in divorce court, God doesn't matter. None of this matters. That's real. That's the realest argument that you can possibly hear. Soon as.

[Andrew Wilson]

How do you end up in a divorce court without this?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. I'm going to tell you how. Okay, in the 1940s, which you so love. I don't know why you don't live there. You look like you live there. You're dressed like you live there. Hold on for a second. Here's the problem, okay? These people under your authoritative godly marriage still got divorced at high rates. Was no fault. Divorce showed up. It started at 25, then by the time you get here, it's close to 40 and 50%. It's still prevalent. I'm giving you the reality. You're trying to drag me back over here to Little House on the Prairie. It's not working. It's not going to work with me. How about this? How about a counter traditional, if true marriage? I gave you one.

[Andrew Wilson]

What?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean, come on, man.

[Andrew Wilson]

What is the counter argument? Come on, man. It's not a counter argument. What's the counter argument?

[Coach Greg Adams]

There's no God in marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

And that's an assertion, not an argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Not in divorce court.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, well, there is a God in divorce court. Argument defeated.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly.

[Andrew Wilson]

Argument defeated.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, my goodness.

[Andrew Wilson]

Boy.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right. Do you need your sandbox outside? Did you miss your toys? It's just ridiculous. Here's the problem.

[Andrew Wilson]

I want an argue.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This is the absolute argument.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're trying to drag me to church. I'm taking you outside of church. You can't combat it because you want to Battle inside the church. I'm not letting you. So let's get back to the.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't care if secularists get married.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Let's get back to the state. What do you mean in that divorce rate? Did you find out the numbers?

[Moderator]

Yeah, I pulled it up earlier, but I'll pull it up again. It's up on the screen. Can you guys see this? Catholic 1925. Mainline Protestant 30 to 35. Evangelical 26 to 33.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's up there now. That's up there. 40. Orthodox 33, 34, 30. That's pretty high Orthodox divorce rate.

[Andrew Wilson]

See 17 to 20.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I see average 33%. That's US average Evangelical adults.

[Andrew Wilson]

Protestants, that. That's with the coalition. All of them.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Ever divorce? 17 to 20. US average 33.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. So they're much lower.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Says in the US 33%, but orthodox. Ever divorce. That's worldwide.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, they're much. They're much lower rates.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, but you're saying that they can't get divorced. That's what you said.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, bro.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You said. Is that what you said?

[Andrew Wilson]

My. The whole point there. They can't have the risk of divorce. You can't ever completely mitigate. Can't ever be completely mitigated, but you can mitigate the risk of divorce.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, great.

[Moderator]

It is lower.

[Andrew Wilson]

Much lower. Much lower.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay. All right. So a chance of getting hit 30% versus 44%. This doesn't defeat the argument those.

[Andrew Wilson]

It does divorce.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The argument those divorces happen in the court of law because no divorce cannot be reported in. Not. That's not the court of law. Actually, what is the divorce that happens outside of the court of law? If it's 33% in the court of law with your orthodox ecclesiastic marriage, what is it outside? What is it within that?

[Andrew Wilson]

It's even lower.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So add that 10. Yes. Now we're at 40.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wouldn't add that. He wouldn't add 10.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's the legal divorce. For a second. When you say a divorce, those are reported divorces. Legally. That means these people filed in the legal reported system. That's 30 plus percent. Okay, you said there would be more that were outside of the door. No, outside of the state. No, no. Hold on for a second. There's additional outside of the marriage. Outside of the same. Oh, there's none. So you're saying there's zero?

[Andrew Wilson]

Not really.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What are you saying?

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, so let me explain, please, so that you understand.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Additional to the 33.

[Andrew Wilson]

But you have to. Can you at least let me finish this time?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Please do It. Because you're slow.

[Andrew Wilson]

So if it's the case. If it's the case you're in an ecclesiastical marriage, you're still adding, usually the state. These people are all adding the state. Okay. The Catholics themselves. If you were to look at their annulment rate from the ecclesiastical authority, it's actually much lower than even the percentage that you're getting from the state because they add the state in, which means some people will ignore the ecclesiastical authority, get divorced anyway.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's exactly what I've been telling you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Then nobody ever argued that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly, but. So we're arguing about mitigating the risk. The risk.

[Andrew Wilson]

Mitigating the risk.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Still a risk.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, it would mitigate the risk.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So the risk is slightly lower.

[Andrew Wilson]

Much lower.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, that's not that much lower.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's much lower.

[Coach Greg Adams]

40%. You're talking about 33% to 43%.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, we're not. We're talking about 20% to 35 to 40%.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, so that's lower.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, that's all you got now here.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's all I need.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's not all you need because there's still risk. How do you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Nobody said there wouldn't be risk.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly.

[Andrew Wilson]

You can't mitigate risk for anything. 100. It's not possible.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly. So now why are we telling men to get married?

[Andrew Wilson]

Because you have to. Because everything is a cost benefit analysis. Your issue's not marriage. Your issue is with mitigating at this point.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's not marriage. Hold on for a second. Can I say this?

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, my God.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're. Can.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you ever stop saying something so.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I can say something at this particular point? Okay, you're telling me from this point we haven't even got to the entire marriage because you're still over in the land of make believe. We haven't even got to the other issues. What's marriage? Hold on for a second. We still haven't got to the other issues of marriage. So you're telling me about the mitigation risk and we've wasted too much time on it. Can we talk about the other issues of marriage?

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Sexless marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let me at least wrap this up.

[Moderator]

Yeah, let Andrew finalize this.

[Andrew Wilson]

The thing is, is like, the problem is, is you said it was a great institution. If you say it's a great institution, even when it was a great institution, people were still getting divorced. So if that's the case, what you're really after is just mitigating risk. And I'm giving you a perfect way to mitigate risk. Right. And the fact of the matter is, is that it is becoming more and more popular to do it this way. Prenup plus ecclesiastical authority almost mitigates your risk entirely, except for common law. But you can pick the state to live in for that. And you, by your own logic, can't defer from common law either. You can't protect men from that. So the thing is, is like you can't have it both ways. You can't agree marriage is good in the backbone for the west and you really like it and it's fucking great. And it's a great institution. But also don't do it because it's make believe that you can mitigate risk even though you can right this second. That's insane.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Listen.

[Andrew Wilson]

All right, I'm listening.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Final point. Let's get to the other risks that are associated with it. We got that.

[Andrew Wilson]

We tackle that point on this.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That is a.

[Andrew Wilson]

Make the final point.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And then, listen, I'm a grown man. I'm not 22 year old, only fans. I'm gonna say what I want to say. Listen to this. At this particular point, you gotta move on. Listen, we're moving forward.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay?

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're moving at this point. What are the other risks that we want to guard against? We got the divorce. You're gonna put them on the ecclesiastic paperwork. Less people are doing that. Not a lot of people know how to do it. He just got married. He didn't do it. All right, I can almost guarantee probably not. Exactly. So. So now less people are going to do this. Not a lot of people know that. Not a lot of men are going to prepare themselves to do that.

[Andrew Wilson]

Change that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly. So that would be a very tough scenario. And most likely it's not going to happen moving forward.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There are other issues in marriage, okay. That typically if depending on what authority you go under, are still a risk for men, yes, it's great for the backbone. But a lot of men are in sexless marriages. A lot of women are in sexual marriages. They percentage of affairs in marriages are still a big issue that can't be addressed. Those risks are going to be tough. And now you have an issue because now your whoever's your authority has to mitigate that risk. Now all of a sudden they have to govern or socially pressure the women. And that's going to be difficult to do. 20%, 30% of sexist marriages, 20, 30% of people having affairs. This is not the intent of people who get married. So yes, we have the divorce. We set that Aside. Now, what about within the marriage? How do you mitigate the risk for that? I'm assuming you're going to have the ecclesiastic come through the home and force the wives to their husbands.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, that's quite the straw man. But I'll go ahead, I'll go ahead and answer. Actually, the ecclesiastical authority does mitigate against this, and here's my proofs. Proof 1. If it is the case that you get married to a woman who's a virgin, but she's a virgin because she's a, she's a Christian. Hang on, let me get through the entirety of the arguments before you start freaking out. If it is the case, your chances, your chances of that marriage ending, very, very, very small. One and two. They report that they have a happier sex life. This is actually the case with the decrease in body count, which generally comes with the more religious people. Meaning the more that you take your religion seriously, the more that you pray, the more that you engage in that whole ecclesiastical authority thing, the less likely it is you step out of your marriage. Significantly less likely, the less likely it is that you end up in a sexless marriage. You know why? Because there's a reinforcement in Christianity that men and women are not allowed to deprive each other of that of sex when it comes to marriage. And you find that people who follow the traditional faiths generally don't. And so, yes, the ecclesiastical authority preaches that from the pulpit. Sorry, lady, you gotta fuck your husband. That's part of God's law. Yeah. What do you got for them? Go out and just. Everybody. What, what, what is you, what is interesting.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What are you going to do to.

[Andrew Wilson]

Mitigate, by the way? You're at the same, you're at the mercy of the same criticism. You can't mitigate guys, girlfriends from around on them anymore than you could a person's wife. You can't mitigate them stepping out on them. You can't mitigate them treating them like you can't do anything. At least I have a mitigation. You have nothing. You have nothing. Just liberal degeneracy. Give me something, something you could do that would give any sort, any kind of fail safe against this one thing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't know what communities you live in, but your church pastor is going to be very busy walking in all of these bedrooms, preventing divorce and enforcing women to sleep with their husbands. Now, the first leap of faith that you have. Hold on for a second. Oh, I heard you. The first leap of faith is a virgin. Okay, if we look at the stats, please pull up the stats of how many women qualify as a virgin.

[Andrew Wilson]

Virginity.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You said virginity. I'm just letting you know you brought it up. In America, in America, what women percentage qualify as virgins? All right, so you're gonna say very few.

[Moderator]

So you know this 7% age, 22 to 34.

[Coach Greg Adams]

7%?

[Moderator]

Yep.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, do you know. So now we have this guy.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do you know what a baseline for an argument is?

[Coach Greg Adams]

That was the baseline.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You want to say, now do we want to face the body count? I mean, because that was the whole.

[Andrew Wilson]

Point of the baseline of the argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So right now if we can pull up how many women in Gen Z, because this is marital. Marital age, women would have a body count lower than five.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, because also marriageably aged.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What do you mean? Millennials. Younger millennials. Okay? Because there's no point in older people getting married. They're not procreating, all right? They're going to have one or two kids.

[Andrew Wilson]

That doesn't help us procreate.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Not that much. All right? They're going to have one or two kids. All right, Listen, it said in the Bible, in your Bible, it says be fruitful and multiply, not add. All right? We're not adding one little autistic kid. We're adding. We're multiplying.

[Andrew Wilson]

That would be multiplying.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It wouldn't be multiplying. Having one little bread ass kid. 3.

[Andrew Wilson]

And you have one more. That's. That's.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right. Multiplying by one. All right. That's not. Answer. Okay, listen, we're multiplying, okay, by multiples. You know what I'm talking about? Now listen.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, that is.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You want the. Hold on for a second. Hold on one second. You want to convince me that there's going to be women of low body count in this. This secular world we live in to make your scenario to enforce women to have sex with their husband from the pulpit. Yeah. Do you see, this is very strange. I have all the data from a very small. From a very small percentage. I mean, it works in a podunk town. I don't know where you're from. We're talking about the metro, the metropolises, and we're talking about major.

[Andrew Wilson]

How is your plan going to mitigate that? How is your plan gonna mitigate that?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't know if you remember, I asked you, all right, And I told you, and you came back with virgins. No, you came back with enforcing sex.

[Andrew Wilson]

For the full kid half the argument. That's why you can't respond to my Arguments. So let's do it again. If you want to mitigate.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Mitigate women to have loaded body.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're not. Dude, how's it force?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

How's it force?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're the one enforcing sex.

[Andrew Wilson]

How is it. How. How are we using force?

[Coach Greg Adams]

How are you enforcing sex to the husband?

[Andrew Wilson]

Do social pressure. Do this the same way you would with everything, gentlemen.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Your wife is going to have sex with you because church reverend enforced her to have sex with you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do you think.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, please pull up the chat. His suggestion is to have a church reverend enforce you to have earning desire to have sex.

[Andrew Wilson]

And your force requires force. Enforce is a derivative of force. You can't enforce absent force. No one's saying force.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This is how your sex is going to be had in his marriage. It's through enforcement through the religious p. No, it's. I mean this is 2025 and we're still here somewhere on Little House on the Prairie.

[Andrew Wilson]

If it's the idea.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I would love to have this reality.

[Andrew Wilson]

If it's the idea that women have and men have both, that they're not supposed to deprive each other from this because that is. Is how they live the life of a Christian. The case of the matter is is that they try to keep themselves sexually appealing to the partner. They try to keep themselves moving towards that state where they fought, where they're found appealing. That's part of that. Why do you think. And by the way you keep saying force. Can you demonstrate anywhere that I said that there would be any force involved with any of this or that it's even necessary? Enforce is force.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct? That's what.

[Andrew Wilson]

So, so where is the force? Where?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Tell me.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're the one, you asked the question.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're the one that told me the church reverend is going to come. Force marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

No. When.

[Coach Greg Adams]

When you said that earlier.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, I said they're social pressures.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Social pressure. That's not your wife, your husband.

[Andrew Wilson]

No. Do anything.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay. To encourage them to.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay. This.

[Andrew Wilson]

Don't you encourage people's wives to them?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I probably. I don't. I don't need to be in their bedrooms that much. Yeah. I mean I can't afford a woman to do very well.

[Andrew Wilson]

We called you and said, I don't sleep with my husband. He seems angry at me. Would you encourage him. Her to sleep with him?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I wouldn't encourage her to do anything. Especially. I don't. I don't. I don't mess with married women. That's their brilliant.

[Andrew Wilson]

So your solution is there? Nothing. Nothing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

My solution Is very clear. What is it you're telling me at this particular point that you're going to enforce through social pressure? Social pressure.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's not.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hold on for a second. Forces social pressure, enforces women to be very promiscuous at this particular point. Now you're talking about 70% of the population or better maybe 10 that are going to fall under this category. And this is going to lead a wave of women sleeping with their husband through social pressures when social pressure quite tells them the opposite. Let me move. Let me, let me, let me.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't even know what the hell you're talking about at this point.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly, exactly. It's very difficult. I know it is very difficult for you. I know exactly. And very nice tactic. But listen, it's not a tactic.

[Andrew Wilson]

I really trying my hardest to understand.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're taking a very small scenario to make it the large scenario when I'm telling you the larger scenario is the reality. And you're telling me I do this, if I do that. No, this is a very small percentage.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're doing the same.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm telling you about once you get married, you will.

[Andrew Wilson]

You may get a divorce. If this happens, then this may happen.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We already looked at the statistics of it likely happening.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So that is likely to happen.

[Andrew Wilson]

First of all, even the statistics.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Statistics again.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Pull up the marriage for Christians.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's actually not likely, is it?

[Coach Greg Adams]

In the United States overall. In the United States it only, only in order for it to work, you have to be white.

[Andrew Wilson]

You need to break a circle.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hold on for a second. You need to be. You want to break it down. So.

[Andrew Wilson]

And social. And social.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You want to go. In order for your marriage to work, they have to be white Christian. They don't have to be make money.

[Andrew Wilson]

No.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And then also probably live in a certain region if it's the case. What if that's not the case? Because in the United States I don't know where you live. But you know, in the case then we use the apparatuses. If you take the rest of the United States, they're highly. Not that. That is outside of those demographics.

[Andrew Wilson]

And don't you want to change that?

[Coach Greg Adams]

What if they're outside of that? They're not white and Christian.

[Andrew Wilson]

Don't you want to change.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What if they're act christian to make 100k? What do you suggest then?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, so here's what I would suggest. If it's the case that in the black community you have more divorces in the white community there's going to be contributing factors. For why that is. I don't think that like black people are just ontologically different than white people. Do you, do you just believe like that at their core they're just ontologically different or do you think that they're the same? Because if that's the case, if we're equal people and equal people groups, then there must be some other social factors which are relating to this that increase the divorce rate in the black community. That doesn't exist yet in the white community. If that's the case, we would specifically target those issues to prevent that from happening. Right. We're going to do this. What is, we're going to do this across the board. Well, what would they be for the black community? There's a bunch of. The one, you have a distinction in economic certitude. The second one is you had a massive abortion rate, which is super problematic. Another one is you use matriarchal structures in the family home instead of patriarchal. Huge issue that you have, by the way. When it was Christian based. Didn't happen. It was a patriarchal structure inside those black homes and boy, they didn't put up with shit. Not the case anymore. So you have multiple factors here which need to be addressed. I agree with that. Nobody ever disagreed with that though. What we're trying to do is look at the mitigation of risk. And even for the black community handled that already. If the black community moves in to these conventionally traditional churches, they still will have the same ecclesiastical authority which will assist them in governing their marriage that white people would have. And it would still assist with the mitigation of risk. What's the alternatives? Just degeneracy, right? The alternative is just like we'll just hump them and never get married. Well, how, what good does that do for, for blacks? What good does that do? It just leads to more abortion. It just leads to more degeneracy, it leads to high crime rates and the single motherhood's out of control. So like, what are you doing to prevent any of that? Nothing. Nothing. Tell me what, what?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, thank you. You said things that people have known for the past 45 years. But I appreciate. Hold on for a second. Thank you for contributing to a common conversation that people know. But you offer no other solution. That's great. Now here's a problem, here's a problem with this. It's a if scenario that would be great if we can go back to this. It would be great if we can go back and look at and say that blacks, when they were in the 40s and 50s. They had more stable relationships and marriages than even white folks. Here's the issue, okay? Why stop at the 40s? Let's talk about 1863, okay? Your tradition seems to always hit this point of 1940s where you shine this light of traditionalism that you've never lived in that seems to be in a snapshot of something that you don't even know about. Then when I fast forward saying anything. Dude, again, you're not listening. You. When I fast forward to 1970 when it falls all apart with no fault divorce based on what I've been arguing, what happens? All that traditionalism falls apart. Why don't we take it further? Why don't we take it back to rye prices? I mean, how far in tradition you're going to go? You're only going to bang your head around 1940 and 50 because you watched a couple of movies and I Love Lucy episodes. That's not tradition, okay? That was a snapshot in history that you're trying to achieve again. So take it back further. There's no marriages in the black community.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let's say we'll take it. Let's say we take it all the way back to the 1700s. Let's just say, just for the sake of it, right? And that I'm totally wrong about all this. Just for the sake of argument, let's just say, what is your prescription to deal with any of those issues? When you're telling men in the black community to not get married, how is that going to assist with abortion? How's that going to assist with strong fathers in the home? How's that going to assist with the only demographic population which can't reproduce itself? How can you give me a single prescription to any of that?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Let me tell you something. I agree with you on this.

[Andrew Wilson]

I just want a prescription.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Dude, there's a problem. I agree with you. And listen, if you had any ability to provide this prescription better than Louis Farrakhan or Martin Luther King, does that mean no? Give me a second. Listen to me. These men have tried to pretty much heal this issue, and they have. So Andrew. So Andrew Wilson. Certainly not to. Neither will cga. So I don't have a prescription because the black community is pretty much doomed at this particular point. They have too much degeneracy. They have single mother rates at the 70 and 80%. But I'm going to tell you something. You want to come in here and tell me something about ecclesiastics and you're telling me about the reality of the black community, how to fix it. Nobody's been able to fix that community. So there's nothing you can do. And I can't offer any solution for that. Now at that particular point, you're saying the risk is higher. It certainly will be higher under those matriarchal conditions. So you get no argument from me there. So at that point, where's your statistics lie then? Well, where's your, where's your solution then?

[Andrew Wilson]

Tell you again.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So I'm glad he's going to solve the community problems here. I love to hear this say, listen.

[Andrew Wilson]

Again, I'm not saying the black community.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Problem solved by Andrew Wilson.

[Andrew Wilson]

That says the guy who literally just.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Got done saying I have zero prescriptions because nobody does. Yeah, that community is here. But I would love to hear the black community solved by Andrew Wilson.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. So let me tell you a bunch of things that can be done which will help mitigate these issues.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Please do, please. The first is that you can accomplish, not, not some, not some pipe dream.

[Andrew Wilson]

That can be accomplished.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Here we go.

[Andrew Wilson]

That can be accomplished politically and already are beginning to be accomplished politically. The first is you have to outlaw abortion. You have to, it has to be outlawed and not by state by state where you just go to the next state and do another abortion. Right. The, one of the biggest problems with promiscuity in the black community is that they use abortion as a form of birth control. Same problem that you see in the white community, by the way. It's just more prevalent. The black community. The next problem that you have there is the lack of religiosity where there used to be a really strong core religious base of based black men. And they were patriarchal, very patriarchal. And the thing is, is that it's the idea of these feminist bra burning lunatics that told black women not to be under the evil patriarchy of their men. And yet at this point, the men are rolling over and allowing the matriarchy to take over in their own community. Is a return to traditional church ethics going to assist that? Of course it will. Of course it will. How do I know? Because it did then just a few short years ago. I'm not talking about hundreds of years ago, I'm talking about 60 years ago. By the way, there's other things that you can do to getting rid of ebt, getting rid of social programs which are designed to keep people dependent. These are all things which can be politically accomplished, just like abortion, the starting abandon that was politically accomplished in our lifetime. And the thing is, like you have no prescriptions. Fuck. At least I'm trying here, man.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Man, Andrew, you are Captain Obvious. This is the obviously.

[Andrew Wilson]

Then why did you obviously state it as a prescription?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Because people have exhausted the means to be able to do this. Trust me. There have been people way better than you that dress better than you and shave their beard, whatever you that can do this. And they haven't been able to accomplish it. You have a Democratic Party that is highly influential. 92% of black women voted for Democrats. That's also possibly where most of those women go to church. Most of the black churches are overwhelmingly women. It's a woman's club. And you're telling me about some traditional, completely obvious that everybody has pointed out for 25 years. You're not giving me anything new. This is a completely obvious scenario and you believe that. You've enlightened me over here and you're waiting for me to give you a solution.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let me tell you something not about changing your mind.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You certainly would never do that. Now, at this particular point here, the unsettling experience that men experience in divorce, all right, you're saying you're just going to mitigate it or eradicate it. What about the small percentage of men that experience it and go through issues like high levels of self deletion, High levels of them not being able to recover financially ever. This. They're still going to experience this. Under your scenario, this doesn't disappear. What prescription do you have for those men that went to your marriage? They got divorced? 33%. What do you do with these men? Okay, 20%, 30%. It still was at a high rate.

[Andrew Wilson]

I think it would be lower than that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You would hope so. You would hope so. The hope I hope is not a strategy. What? What? Hold up for a second. What. What scenario do you have for men that you let into the burning building when they experience separation from their children, parental alienation, high levels of self deletion? What prescription do you have, sir, that you sold? You have all the answers. Please enlighten us. What are you going to do with these men? Are you going to enforce them to have sex other virgins that have on the sideline?

[Andrew Wilson]

I'll answer the question. Want to make a deal with you that if I answer this last question of yours that you'll actually answer when I ask you after that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're not in a court of law. I don't have to answer anything. I can state something.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm asking you if I can make a deal that if I answer this.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Question that you ask me I'll.

[Andrew Wilson]

So we're not going to make a deal on that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't have to make a deal.

[Andrew Wilson]

Listen, you don't have to.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm asking if you will possibly. So go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

Possibly. Okay, well then I possibly will hold the debate hostage until you possibly make a deal with it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Right. So that gives me the floor.

[Andrew Wilson]

So we'll just, so we'll just sit here and scare each other or we just filibuster each other like at this particular point. So.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, you don't want to. So I can answer it. You want to answer it, but you're.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not going to answer. But you're not going to answer mine. I just want that clear. You're not going to answer mine. After you're just going to fill it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Again, I ask you the question, Put it on the table.

[Andrew Wilson]

So this is pretty simple, right, what you're proposing here. Every policy prescription which is made anywhere in any nation, with any people group, from the tribal all the way to the national level is going to be a trade off no matter what. There's always going to be some people who are disaffected by it in some small percentage and there's not damn thing you can do about it. We don't run societies based on outliers. The second thing is when it comes to suicide in men particularly, one of the best ways to mitigate that is to begin the process of eliminating deployment of troops abroad. Because one of the biggest contributing factors to male suicide, including in marriage with divorce, is their veteran status. And it's because they really depend on their family to assist them with what's going on mentally from the fact they've been deployed in these wars. And one thing you could really do that would help that that's what the American first policy is, is we want to bring your troops home. No more foreign wars. That will greatly help and aid with this problem. And by the way, policy wise, it's already been aiding with this as Trump has wound these wars down. And by the way, let's go ahead and point out.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's a good, that's a good one. I like it.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'll point out, I'll point out a few more things that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, please do. Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

So another thing that you can do is at the national level, right from propaganda works. I don't, I'm sure you agree, proficiency absolutely works.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Wilson]

If at a national level you had propaganda, which instead of showing LGBTQ flags, degeneracy girl bossing like this, which is what you see everywhere, you had institutional family units instead of right. And that was what you saw everywhere that you went. And that was where the social status was at the top down level. That would really help change people's psyches around the same way they were indoctrinated towards the degeneracy. Same way you can indoctrinate them out of degeneracy. That's how we got a whole nation to smoke. And it's also how we got a whole nation to quit smoking. The thing is like there really are good prescriptions here. And the only thing I get from you. Wait a minute, hang on.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're talking about. Hang on.

[Andrew Wilson]

Almost done, almost done. Yes, yes, that'll help with self deletion of men. Yes. And it's one of the biggest contributing factors. Single motherhood, another huge contributing factor. These are all things which we need to mitigate. And by the way, these are all great prescriptions. You said I don't have none.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, no. For a second that's what you said. Now here's the deal. These are great prescriptions. I, I happen to live in the time that you're talking about when the FCC didn't allow degeneracy and I was able to live through the time where they started to allow it. So I unfortunately was able to see a time where America was great and now we had dysfunction. So I agree with some of those things that took place probably 40 or 50 years. It would take a very, very unique scenario for that to occur. When you have cardi b and this type of music out here and she's a single mother, divorce a with a man that is having babies.

[Andrew Wilson]

Now that's a good argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, so how.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's an actual argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hold on. No, that's, that's something that you agree with. That's okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, that's okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's okay. No, it's, it's an agreement. You disagree. You could be humble enough to say you.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's an actual argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Listen, you don't have to be, you know, you're not the belittle or attempt to belittle. Well, I'm here a grown ass man. Hey, listen, listen, just say you agree. You want to be.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not a matter of agreement, a matter of recognizing. That was argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hey, sir, somebody across from you. No, just say you agree. You can humble yourself in this.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't agree. It's just an argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You agree. Be a big boy. Be a big boy.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't agree, but it's an argument.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Here's, here's a second. Here's a second okay, you're telling me it's going to take 50 to 100 years. I ask you about a man that's considering taking his life today you're telling me about propaganda machine. Okay, there are men here that are been abandoned from their kids, they've been alienated. I'm talking about today. I'm not talking about in the church. I'm talking about today. You're telling me about some scenario where you're going to change liberalism and bring in righteous conservativism. That's not going to work today. We need solutions for men today, not 50 years from the turning Point meeting. Okay, at this point today we have men that are in dire need of help. They're going through unsettling situations and divorces. This is who I speak to. And you keep telling me obvious answers about propaganda and changing this and going to church. This sounds great on paper, but that doesn't happen today. You don't start that today. Can you give me a one solution you got that starts today? Mr. I got all the solutions we can start today. Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

If you fund, if you assist with funding MRA groups today, MRA groups today who are trying to legislate and get legislation passed today to create preventative measures for those men today. Now if you ask me, can Andrew, can you do anything about a man who might be willing to blow his head off right this second because he's already going through the events of divorce which I had nothing to do with, wasn't there for could never do anything about.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Nobody can do it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you prevent. Of course nobody can.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But that's even your righteous. But that's the reverence from the pulpit.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it's built into the question. What you're building into the question is probably the, it's probably the worst framing ever. Andrew, if somebody right this second is willing to do something bad, here's can you stop them?

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's like here it comes. Look at scenario. But your scenario is to change MRA funding when women vote. I'll vote men 60 to 40%. And you have women lobbyist groups and zero men lobby groups. That's what you're telling we're going to change to fun MRA groups.

[Andrew Wilson]

Congress makes the law, not the voters. Sir, when, when Mr. Race makes the.

[Coach Greg Adams]

MRAs are on some terrorists. Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So you're telling me that they're going to start just switching funding. We're just going to switch funding over here to a terrorist organization according to some of these websites.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I would say this, this is.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Just A pie in the sky. You know, all your solutions are completely.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not only is it not pie in the sky, but I'll give you an example, though. I'll give you an example.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The least possible situation.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, I'll give you an example of where it's already happened. So I would, I would argue that the trad churches are MRAs, that they are men's rights advocacy groups and that that's where traditional masculinity is mostly found today, where men are even allowed to be masculine. There's. Oh, hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me finish my point. And it is the case that those MRAs, in this case, the traditional churches, already got abortion rolled back, didn't they? They're already moving these things back. They're already at the forefront of fighting degeneracy. They are also the ones who are at the charitable forefront of helping those same veterans who are blowing their heads off when the government doesn't even pay any attention to them. When, by the time the government was all done doing any of these reforms when it came to veterans associations, it was those pesky old traditional churches that. From Sky Daddy that you hate so much, they were the ones on the forefront who were actually assisting those people and not doing that. While you, you, you asked me this question, Andrew. What can you do right this second for a guy who's going to blow his head off? Well, probably nothing, but neither can you, of course, but at least we could do something about that not happening to others.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, so that's very easy to accomplish in red states. And red states overwhelmingly were the states that got those things passed. Yeah, they were already going to get it passed without the interaction of these so called righteous individuals. That was now state level. Yeah. Through Donald Trump.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Then a federal level, California, Nevada. These are all states that you can easily drive to and get it done because they're red. And at that particular point. Are we going to get a federal ban? Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

You believe there possibly could?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah, possible.

[Andrew Wilson]

It looks good.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It looks, it looks good. But we don't have it today. All right, so we don't. You're not. Again, we don't have it.

[Andrew Wilson]

So you want to.

[Coach Greg Adams]

More than likely. More than likely. I'm going to tell you. You said it's possible and I say more than possible. You're not going to get it. All right, so at that point, that's.

[Andrew Wilson]

What they said about Roe v. Wade and they were wrong.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're wrong today. They're wrong. Possibly, we possibly might get it, but California is. They're not doing it. I can drive to California right now. Driving. I could take a woman to Nevada. Nevada? Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it's already increasing the rates. It's already like. What are you talking about? It's already effective.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All it does is just send women.

[Andrew Wilson]

To another place and it reduces the amount of abortions.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It reduces it. So now we're not. That's all we're talking about, reducing it. We're talking about now, the unsettling experiences.

[Andrew Wilson]

So do nothing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're doing something. Yeah, doing something. I'm informing people. I'm informing people. I'm giving people the information to do what? And you're telling me what do you want this guy's solution that might take me forever.

[Andrew Wilson]

Men should do.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm telling you what they're what? All right, at this particular point, this is the question that you've been wanting to ask me. All right, I've been. I put out a book called 52 Things that Men should do prior to Considering Marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What it does is take it through a step by step approach of what they need to look out for, just to detect what does that hold up for a second? Hold on for a second. Just to detect this man's considering. I've had plenty of men that said they were considering marriage. They found the red flags because of my book, and they stop getting married to a woman that eventually they saw would have been bad for them, that would have cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. So I'm doing something very positive now. Watch this. You mitigate the. You mitigate the red flags. You allow men to understand what the process of marriage is, mitigating the risk. And you're going into possibly telling them what the state is involved in, how your children are affected, parental alienation, the odds of self deletion and so forth and so on. So that's an.

[Andrew Wilson]

I want to make sure I got this right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Opportunity for men to learn.

[Andrew Wilson]

So I want to get this right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're telling me possibility of changing.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. So what you're doing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'll vote men 60 to 40.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. So you, you wrote. It doesn't. Dude, you don't even understand the political process and how it works. Voting itself. When you're talking about lobby groups. Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What, what, what male lobby groups.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do they have traditional churches?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, we're back to. We're back to church again.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're the ones who do all the lobbying on behalf of men.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're doing it on behalf of the men that they, that follow them. That's not.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's for all men. This abortion ban helps all men. It's not some. Their charities to men who are going to kill themselves. Helps all men. Not some.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It doesn't help all men in that situation. Yes, it helps them because listen.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes, it does.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'll tell you where it doesn't. There might be a woman considering getting an abortion and he wants to keep the kids. He has no mitigating risk.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're the only ones trying to change that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Is that who is the traditional church. The traditional church, yes. All right. At that point, that doesn't help him.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes, it does help him.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So you're saying at that point it's only the traditional church when you have hundreds of female lobbyist groups and you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Have them out, they're the ones combating those female lobbying groups. That's it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How are they doing? Only the red.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're doing great.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Only the red?

[Andrew Wilson]

No, at the federal level, they're doing great. You're wrong.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You can still go to other states to get it done.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes, but we've still managed to mitigate it. Even in those states. It's a war. It's a political war. That's how it works. And not only that. Let me. Let's point this out. Your whole solution here. I wrote a book to help mitigate future events. Oh, great. Andrew, what are you trying to do? Help mitigate future events right now, right this second. What can I do to help? Andrew says, right this second, if guy has a 357, his mouth is going to pull the trigger. He can't do anything. You're totally right. But neither can you by your own admission.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct.

[Andrew Wilson]

So there we go there. When we're looking at the future, though, and I say, let's do all of these different prescriptions, which we can actually politically accomplish and move towards. You say that's all pie in the sky, blah, blah, blah, blah. I ask, well, what can you do as far as future prescriptions? You say blacks are. And I have absolutely no prescriptions for it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No. I wrote a book, 52 Things that Men Could Consider to Mitigate Divorce Risk.

[Andrew Wilson]

The same thing I'm trying to do.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're marrying the right woman. So you're just getting divorce. Mad that I have one solution, you have another, and we don't mind.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's better.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's what you believe. I think yours is pie in the sky. So that's just.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't see how it could be a pie in the sky. It's affecting way more men than your book.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no. My book actually has 15 plus thousand. You have. You have how many. Hold on. You have how many. You have how many ecclesiastic marriages that your church pastors are going to go into the bedroom and enforce marriages you can't even produce that. You said that.

[Andrew Wilson]

Nobody said that the pastors are going to go in the bedroom and enforce anything.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Social pressure.

[Andrew Wilson]

Stop lying.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All your social pressure. Where's your social pressure? How many people do you have in your ecclesiastic marriages? How many people got married under that?

[Andrew Wilson]

Millions.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Give me a number.

[Andrew Wilson]

Millions of people have an ecclesiastical authority.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's way to type it up.

[Andrew Wilson]

People have an ecclesiastical marriage. They may have estates or.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Under your scenario.

[Moderator]

How many times.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, we don't.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How many?

[Andrew Wilson]

We don't know.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You don't know exactly, but you're sneezing at my number. But you don't know at all. There's a lot.

[Andrew Wilson]

Even if it was the case that you never adopted the state, you don't have any number. Even if it's the case.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hang on, what's the number?

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on. Even if it's the case that all they ever did was get a state marriage certificate and never even followed that portion of what I'm saying. Right. The number is still lower. By their own. By the state's own numbers. It's still lower traditionally.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Give me a number of your marriages that you're proposing that we're all going to follow.

[Andrew Wilson]

We don't know. We don't have polls.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You don't have a number?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, we don't know for sure.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I would venture to say it's very little under 100.

[Andrew Wilson]

Sure.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, so now we got.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, it's not under 100.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Certainly under 100.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, it's not.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right. I don't hear anybody talking about it other than you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well, that's because you're not around traditional churches by your own admission. But yeah, there's people who have crowning ceremonies, get married by churches who don't get a state cert.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Traditional churches, in fact.

[Andrew Wilson]

There might be data on that. You should look.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Please look it up. There might be. Under your. Under your scenario.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, under my scenario. But the thing is, even if we grant.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Even if we were 125.

[Andrew Wilson]

If we were to grant it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Still from the state's own admission, the divorce rate still significantly lower for a reason.

[Coach Greg Adams]

20 to 30%. Okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's huge.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It. It is significantly. It will be nice. You still have men under unsettling divorce conditions. You still have men under state funded divorce. You still have men under child Support. You still have men under parental alienation. You still have sexist marriages. You haven't accomplished most of these.

[Andrew Wilson]

Two out of ten.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Two out of ten, what?

[Andrew Wilson]

That would be two out of ten. It's 20, right? Two out of ten of those marriages. As opposed to your system.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Four out of ten?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. In your.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Five out of ten.

[Andrew Wilson]

In your system. It's much higher.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's the system that exists.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, it's not.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But you're telling me 150 marriages. This is. No, all of these scenarios, I. And I have to be. I have to be honest with you. This wasn't much of a debate.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I know a lot of y'. All.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, listen. Much of your scenarios were make believe, to be honest. They were pretty make believe. You would have to have a. An extremely considerable movement to be able to accomplish them.

[Andrew Wilson]

Like millions of millions of people.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You would have to have millions of people to do.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you pull up how many Catholic and Orthodox are in the United States? It's my turn. Ask. I can ask him to.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Please do. Please do. But that's not the number.

[Andrew Wilson]

It is the number we're looking for.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're looking for ecclesiastic marriages under your scenario.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, listen, even if it were the way it works, even if it were the ca. Do you agree with me that if you take the state out of marriage that that is going to assist in the reduction of divorce?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You can't take the state out of marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why not?

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's what you're telling me?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Why? Tell me how many people have done it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but why can't you do it?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Because no fault divorce. A woman can go into divorce you, even if. Because you're not. You're not under her control.

[Andrew Wilson]

By the States. You're not married. How can she take you to a divorce court? Can you explain that to me?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I asked you this earlier. Have you been through a divorce?

[Andrew Wilson]

It doesn't matter. Answer the question.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's a yes. So you've been through a divorce.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why does that matter? What is pertinent?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Because this is why. Can I. Can I finish? You've been telling me. I'm cutting you off. You won't let me finish, bro.

[Andrew Wilson]

I want an answer to my question.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Go again.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you answer my question?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean, I can play the game you're playing.

[Andrew Wilson]

You. You just won't answer questions.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, listen. I mean, I thought you were a tough guy. Listen, under this scenario, the. A marriage, even if it's ceremonial, religious, it doesn't matter if she files for the divorce. You will still be going in court to fight that. I don't care.

[Andrew Wilson]

File for divorce if you're not married by the state. Dude, listen, can you answer my question?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're completely missing this. This is what tells me you haven't been through one. Have you talked to a divorce attorney? A woman can file. You have to respond and provide evidence that you were not married. Now, you and your common law. You living with your kids is going to be difficult. I'm trying to give you some information.

[Andrew Wilson]

Common law marriage, okay, that's different. In some states, there is no common law marriage.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's not common law marriage. Listen, okay, I'm. California doesn't even have common law in that existence. It could be ceremonial. You could get married in Fiji. It doesn't matter. Soon as you get back here, if you practice marriage, the whole institution at that particular point, if she files, you, sir, will have to respond to that suit.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If you do, I would hope and pray that the judge, not God, grant you your wish. At that point, your argument fails because you then would have to say, my ecclesiastic reverend on the Little House on the Prairie granted this marriage, but it doesn't count under the state.

[Andrew Wilson]

I just want to make sure she can do this.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And you have to respond.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you help me with this? It's because I am. I am actually confused. So let's say a woman and a man went out to a field and declared themselves.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You got a scenario? Let's say if.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, let's say if a man went out to a field with a woman and declared that they're married.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're saying she can still go to a divorce court and divorce him.

[Coach Greg Adams]

She can file for the divorce. How? The response.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. What.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Respond.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. What does that mean, though? That doesn't mean.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Again, I mean, I'm informing you. What does that mean? This is how a lawsuit works, okay? She's a petitioner. She files. She says, we walked on coals, we went outside.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This was a. This was a union. I consider it a marriage. Everybody knows and addresses us as a marriage. This is a non common law states. We receive mail at this place. We've been living under the same roof for this many years. You will have to respond to these allegations. Now you're gonna have to say yeah, on your petition. This is not true. We have an ecclesiastic marriage and a prenup under God and we live together, but we weren't married.

[Andrew Wilson]

Is this.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's a response to the lawsuit. And then you proceed to Trial at a hearing.

[Andrew Wilson]

Is this a lawsuit or a divorce? Divorce.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Divorce is a lawsuit.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, so I'm.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm. Divorce is a lawsuit.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you look this up? Can you file for divorce without ever getting married?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, my goodness, you are slow. You can file a lawsuit for anything.

[Andrew Wilson]

So then it's not.

[Coach Greg Adams]

A divorce can sue you for anything. Okay, okay, so if you go into there and she.

[Andrew Wilson]

So they're just suing you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's a law. It's not a defor. Come on, dude.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's a loss.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can we pull this up?

[Moderator]

Can you file for a divorce without getting married? Divorce is a legal process that ends in legally recognized marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

You never obtained a marriage license, and your marriage was never registered, Summarized according to the state law, the courts have no marriage to dissolve. You're full of.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hold on for a second.

[Andrew Wilson]

They can do. Yeah, you're full of. They can just sue you for whatever.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You said they have no marriage to dissolve.

[Andrew Wilson]

Sue you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, you still have.

[Andrew Wilson]

Come on.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You still have to respond to the law.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but you don't have to go to the divorce court.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You do. No, you don't file the wrong response.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, that's not a divorce court.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That is the.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, it's not. It's a court. It's this circuit court or some. Not the divorce court.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Listen, this is.

[Andrew Wilson]

You got caught in 4k your full.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's chat. GBT in this situation here. We can bring a lawyer into. Bring out this and say, can she file for a divorce? You're saying what the outcome is. Hold on for a second. You're saying the outcome. They can't legally enforce it. It. That's what you hope the outcome is. You hope the outcome is. You still have to respond.

[Andrew Wilson]

All you're saying is that a woman can sue you for anything, correct? Yeah, but that's not the same as filing for divorce. Divorce courts.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's where they would file it.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, you can't. No, they're not filing it in the divorce court.

[Coach Greg Adams]

My gosh. All right, that's where they would file it in the divorce court.

[Andrew Wilson]

That would file a lawsuit.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, they would file it in the family court. Trust me. Now here's the family courts, though. That's the divorce court.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wait a second, wait a second.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Family court is a divorce.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wouldn't you have to do that under specific criteria for family court? Like a kid's involved or something? You can just correct?

[Coach Greg Adams]

So in this scenario. Hold on for a second.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's not the same. This is ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Listen, listen, the family court is what people call the divorce court. There's no building. Yes. Divorce. You understand?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So you have a woman with children.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That you say you're not married to. You.

[Andrew Wilson]

You.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If she files.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You still have to go under family Score jurisdiction. She could. You still have to respond.

[Andrew Wilson]

Because there's children.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yes, because there's children. At that point. My point is made. She has filed. They may say the divorce doesn't count. Yeah, but now how do we deal with these children?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but that was.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Those. That is a part of marriage. Did you not have children with the woman?

[Andrew Wilson]

So if you're not.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Is a part of.

[Andrew Wilson]

As long as you don't have children, then yeah, they can't do that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct. That's what you're saying. But you're saying.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm actually asking.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're saying they're going to have children. Correct.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yes. You're going to go to family court.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes. You could go to family court if.

[Coach Greg Adams]

She files for the divorce.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not. Not for divorce. They could go for like, motion for support or all sorts of things. That's not the court. Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

When we talk about what men deal with when they deal with marriage and the result is a divorce, one of the things they deal with is child support. Also domestic violence, which falls under the. The family court. So you cannot be married.

[Andrew Wilson]

You have a. You have a problem here with this.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Listen, so I agree.

[Andrew Wilson]

Fall under. I think that if you have children that, that could go through the family court system. Nobody ever disputed that, though.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So still dealing with this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on. But that's the different one. That's different than filing for divorce. You can't file for divorce. You're never married. That's 1.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Going to jail.

[Andrew Wilson]

And hang on, 2. The second problem here is the reason that men usually lose their custody when. When it comes to divorce and divorce court is because women plot. They plot escape hatches. So what they do is they go.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, of course they do.

[Andrew Wilson]

Look, look, you know, I'm going to take two years, make sure that you're destitute on the way out, and then I'm filing in divorce court.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're going to get hit over the head from what happens in divorce court.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Wilson]

Different ball game, though. If it's the case that you have children with a woman and she goes and she files for custody, you're actually in a much better position to get custody at that point than if it was the case that you were married through the state. Dude. Much better position.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We don't Know that. No, no, you don't. You don't know that you're against. You know, give me some video on that one. There's data on that one. Okay, go ahead and look it up. But we don't know that. Yeah, that's just against the case.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on. If it's the case.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If you're not in that.

[Andrew Wilson]

Men. Men who fight for custody, Correct?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Right, that's correct.

[Andrew Wilson]

But they're in a better position to fight for custody if they're not going through the divorce court, if they're only getting motions for child. Child support or. Well, actually.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Actually, I'll tell you something. If you are not married to them, you actually fare a little bit worse than if you're not legally married. That. That's true. If you're not legally married to. Let's just take a baby mom, baby dad situation, if he's not legally married to them, they typically fare a little bit worse.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

In custody case.

[Andrew Wilson]

I just said that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Right, Correct. So at that. At that point, they're still. They're still faring worse if.

[Andrew Wilson]

Now they're marrying better. Right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're not married.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, they would actually fare worse. How? Well, ask any guy that's been in court. We can look at this. When they. When they are not legally married to a woman, they go through a custody battle.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

When they're legally married, they do better getting better custody.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes. Men get better custody.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So that would be a better outcome if they're not legally married.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Typically, they fare worse getting custody.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Because they're not married to the woman. This is typically. Typically, it just depends on jurisdiction.

[Andrew Wilson]

Because of the unplanned nature of it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct, Exactly.

[Andrew Wilson]

But if.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But it's planned. We don't know.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, we do know.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The judge doesn't know.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How do they know?

[Andrew Wilson]

We do.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So now you're saying you're going in there to use that we're not legally married, but we're married.

[Andrew Wilson]

Here's. Here's how we can logically, I think. I can actually logically demonstrate this, and I think you'll agree. Okay, so the reason that men tend to fare bad in custody disputes and in divorces is because it's unexpected. So usually they're getting hit with it and it's unexpected, even if it should be expected because it's unexpected. They have time to plot. They have time to plan this kind of thing, domestic violence. So they. They can. Yeah, they can hit them with it. Right, right. That's. I mean, and it's.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's Normally what happens.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, that's.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Normally can't mitigate that. Are you suggesting you can.

[Andrew Wilson]

You can mitigate. You can mitigate it. Here's how you can mitigate it. If you're in a church, you have two things.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. If you have the. If you have an ecclesia. If you have the ecclesiology. The ecclesiastic community. The community actually supports you when you're going through these problems.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If they're not going to be in court with you. No.

[Andrew Wilson]

They actually help you with funding. They help you with everything. Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're not going to be.

[Andrew Wilson]

They don't need to go with you. Money is the. What talks man and walks.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly. I agree with that. That I can agree with.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're not going to be able to fund that.

[Andrew Wilson]

They do all the time.

[Coach Greg Adams]

These small marriages. You. I would love to see these out. They should do a documentary on them.

[Andrew Wilson]

They do.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, so we could see.

[Andrew Wilson]

We do have stats on this.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Most people aren't under these. So we can say that that's clearly the case in those situations here. Some of those situations, you have men that are not under this veil of. I don't know what it is. Okay. That do fair. Worse when they're not married. Okay. That's typically what's going.

[Andrew Wilson]

Because it's un. Because the, the childbirth itself is unplanned. But if they're with a woman long term as a partner, they actually do better.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And I was one of those.

[Andrew Wilson]

Even if they're not married.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Typically.

[Andrew Wilson]

Typically, yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's. That's, that's.

[Andrew Wilson]

But sometimes you're just talking about the unplanned nature.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Not necessarily. Not necessarily.

[Andrew Wilson]

I mean, they're, they're having.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Because there's a lot of factors here. I mean, we can make things black and white. The guy doesn't have the ability to maintain the custody. He lives in another city.

[Andrew Wilson]

Because there's some other factors. Because I knocked her up that's different than I was with her for.

[Coach Greg Adams]

In a relationship. They were in a relationship. All right.

[Andrew Wilson]

But knocking her up usually happens early.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It could. It typically does. And at that point now they were raising the kid for two or three years they were together.

[Andrew Wilson]

But this goes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And then it happens. But it also goes to my point. In this situation here, right here, we have a lot of things that we like to make black or white and easily solve.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's all nuanced. I agree.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay. Very much nuanced. At that point. Then you're just telling us. I'll just throw this. This aspect of religion on top of it. And it'll fix it. Or it'll mitigate. It'll mitigate it again. It doesn't eliminate it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It makes it less. You're not. Can't eliminate it. It. But even makes it less likely. But they're still going to. Once they go through it. What do you do.

[Andrew Wilson]

But when. When you said America, what Or a marriage was a great institution. Right. Did that eliminate all divorce?

[Coach Greg Adams]

It was very low.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, right, right. So it's just. You're only talking about mitigation. You're only talking about.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It was actually lower than the percentages that you're showing me. Way lower.

[Andrew Wilson]

I agree.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Way lower. But.

[Andrew Wilson]

But you're still talking about mitigation.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But we also talking about white people were least likely to get married under the. Of these scenarios too.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well, we're talking. So we're still talking about mitigation.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly.

[Andrew Wilson]

And so if you say it's great and it's mitigating and I say, okay, I want to move towards mitigation, we can never eliminate it. You can't hold that against me.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I can't. And you can't hold it against me for telling men to avoid the situation. Especially since. And I'll add this on. Especially since we can know statistically women are getting married at an older age that is increasingly high. We can look at 40 years ago, it was 20 years old. We can look at today, it's roughly around 28 and 30.

[Andrew Wilson]

There's some new ones there, too.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There's a lot of new ones.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There's. Hold on for a second. But I was completing a point here. Okay. At that point, you're seeing a lot of women choosing to not marry. You're also seeing a lot of men choosing to not marry those women that are older. Yeah. So how do you get those people to have an ecclesiastic marriage? I'll help you. When you're telling them. These people are saying, I'm not marrying that one. She's a stepmom or so. No, she's a single mom. She's older.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yep.

[Coach Greg Adams]

She's past her prime. How are you getting that marriage rate up?

[Andrew Wilson]

This is the best Ecclesiastes. So I think that that's a great question is one.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Other than saying that they got to be virtual.

[Andrew Wilson]

And it's one that I need. And it's one that I do need to answer to. So here's the answer to this. The reason that women are getting married older is because they're deferring their childbearing years for college. That's why.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's obvious.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, That, I mean, literally, that's the, the only reason. And one of the prime reasons that the birth rate is collapsing is because they're having children older, because they defer those childbearing years.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Like I said, it's not full and multiply.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's just adding so we can. So we can look at this and we can. Well, it is still multiple.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

The point is, is when we're talking about. We go back to this whole propaganda thing, right?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're not going to get a disagreement on this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on. The idea is, should we have propaganda that says, women, you go to school, we'll give you student loans, right? We'll back the entire thing for free, and we promise you a lucrative STEM career, right, When. When the opposition is actually true. Or do we run campaigns that say, no STEM funding, you got to pay for your own fucking college, okay? Or you can choose the more traditional path.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How likely is this to happen?

[Andrew Wilson]

It's actually pretty likely if you look at the idea of STEM fund or funding for college, right? The idea of student loans and things like this. Women already tried to check out the worst way because they can't have kids later in life.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're not getting married, though. They're not.

[Andrew Wilson]

They do.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They do.

[Andrew Wilson]

They just do college first. And this is, by the way, what body count comes from. The big body counts are coming because they spend all this time in college.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Getting very obviously, yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

And then afterwards, right, they get their little lucrative career and then they want to settle down, they find us. But it seems to me very obvious that if you wanted to do something about this, you would want to create the incentive for women to not go to college, instead, use their childbearing years, get married, because that's what we always did.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I've actually created this scenario before, and it's very opposite opposed to where society is going. Society really not showing that. They're showing trends of this. You might have the little spatters here and there, but if you have a woman that says, okay, I can't afford to go to college, she becomes a Walmart.

[Andrew Wilson]

Here's why.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Here, hold on for a second. She becomes a Walmart clerk and assistant manager. I'm looking at those particular demographics. They're not jumping into marriages. All right, maybe in Tuscaloosa. Yeah, Alabama. They're still out here hoe hopping. All right? They're still finding a variety, but here's why.

[Andrew Wilson]

So women are getting. They're getting more college degrees than men. Because men have a viable option for making income. Which is easy. Correct. I mean, it's actually harder, but it's easy.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And for them we could survive.

[Andrew Wilson]

And the idea is if you're a tradesman, you're gonna make a lot of money. Okay. Especially in modernity because there's an incompetency crisis in the United States.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Wilson]

So if you're good at what you do, you're gonna make a lot of money. And that's just it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Women are less.

[Andrew Wilson]

And even if we're bad at it, you'll make a lot of money. But. But the college thing created a situation we were not aware was going to happen, even though I, I could easily have predicted it, which is oversaturation. Women only go for a couple things and they're sociological related. Mostly they're not really for STEM fields, and that's who's hiring the big STEM fields. Everything else oversaturated. That's why women end up in government NGOs and government think tanks and psychologists because the overage has to go somewhere. But that's saturated too. So you're seeing actually a trend begin to emerge of that trending down because of oversaturation. So that's the case. These women don't want to go work at Walmart as the assistant manager. Right. And if you had said propaganda plan, and the propaganda plan is simple enough, the idea here is just don't defer your childbearing years for college. Instead, we'll help you with incentives so that you have children younger and you get married younger, you will almost eliminate this entire problem. And yes, not only is it viable, not only is it viable, but we should be moving towards that. This idea that you should get married rather than just create the conditions for which marriage is great is exactly what we should be doing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And under those conditions, it would make sense because you're getting women that can multiply. That can.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it's only the churches that can hold a word.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, not really. But in this situation here, I agree, I, I agree with that scenario I proposed that many years ago. However, you're gonna be hard pressed for women to actually pick that. Although they're not going to college, they're trending down in college. They're probably not going to complete one of these liberal arts degrees. What you're probably going to see them do, they're still going to Coachella, they're still selling coochie. They're out here being sugar babies. They're going to only fans. Yeah, exactly. And so it'll get oversaturated. Now you kick the can down the road to what the next thing is, I don't see the women seeing that college is prohibitive to them jumping into traditional marriages. I don't see that.

[Andrew Wilson]

But that was the same argument which made in 90s to men that they would not that the trades were going by the wayside and they all needed to get a college degree, when in fact the opposite ended up happening. Now they're all moving towards trades in lieu of the college degree because of. Because of oversaturation. There's no reason for us to believe that if it's the case that women have the option and the propaganda behind it for them to get married at a younger age. Right. Defer that. With incentives we can give all sorts. Oh, man. You. First of all, you can give tax exemptions. For instance, you could say women don't.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Pay taxes even when they make millions.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but the thing that's.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They don't catch up to them. But they don't pay the taxes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they do have to pay property tax on the houses they get from their husbands when they divorce them. So if they. Anyway, the thing is, is what you could do is in Poland did this and they had a pretty good degree of success up almost a half a percent, moving in training towards almost 1%, which is huge in such a short amount of time. They gave tax exemption and you can pull this up if you want. They gave tax exemption if you had more than X number of children. I think it was three for life. Tax exemption for life. Now the thing is, is that's huge now from a woman's perspective. Why would a woman go for that? Because she's tax exempt for life too. And the thing is, it's the same reason they're going to college, which is they want the money. The same reason they're selling their online. Because I want the money is also a thing which you can incentivize them. Do the other direction you could because they want the money.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It sounds nice, but.

[Andrew Wilson]

And it's worked.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's worked. It's worked in Poland.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. Well, any within the places it's been tried, the incentives work.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Is that a comparable nation to the United States who highly depends on women being taxed?

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, so did Poland.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's not the same size. Well, I mean, we were very large company. We're very large.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's all scalable. Right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It could be scale.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's all scalable.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's kind of like when people said Sweden did this And I'm about a million people versus.

[Andrew Wilson]

But what I'm saying people.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I understand.

[Andrew Wilson]

We're going to look at the models where they exist to see how they compare.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

And it's a better model.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yes, it's a good model. It would be a good start.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's a start.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It would be a good start.

[Andrew Wilson]

Thing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Could you think people would probably try to manipulate that? You said they have three kids from the same dad or from different.

[Andrew Wilson]

You have to be married.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You would have to be married. Okay. So this would be a nice opportunity for us to bring something that Poland has tried to to a place where we don't have that same structure. They're somewhat democratic socialists.

[Andrew Wilson]

No.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Or somewhat. Not at all.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're very conservative.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're conservative, but yeah, they have that. But they're also.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, they're very capitalist.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So. But typically we're a lot more capitalist than them.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't know.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're a lot more capitalist in Poland.

[Andrew Wilson]

Eastern Europe has become very, very based. Eastern Europe has become.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, but we can probably say 200, 350 million people versus Poland size.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's much smaller. Yes, 12 million. But that, that's what scalability is for.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean this would be the size. Not even half of California at this particular point. But that you're scaling to.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, scalability works that way because it's good.

[Moderator]

38 million in Poland.

[Coach Greg Adams]

38 million. Quite more than I thought. That would be the state of California and plus Oregon maybe or something like that.

[Andrew Wilson]

And California is bigger than a lot of countries.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It is.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's the case.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Fifth largest gdp. Yeah. So in this scenario, I'll give you that one, it's a little bit of a reach. But I'll give you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not just that. If we look at, if we look at the Chinese model. Chinese model really this up. They decided that they were going to do the one child policy. Remember that?

[Coach Greg Adams]

And they screwed that up.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, not only do they screw it up, but they have almost given themselves imminent doom because their birth rate has dropped down so low. Now what are they doing? They're giving incentives for women to have children.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly.

[Andrew Wilson]

We do it here too to. We do that with tax credits. Right, but the tax credits, you're not going to incentivize a woman who can sell her on. Only fans have a child to have a child for $3,000 a year.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And some, sometimes they even go on EBT and wic and they still use the system. So you're still finding ways where people will manipulate the system.

[Andrew Wilson]

Right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We would try to get rid of it. It's. It would be a nice try. I'll give you that one. That might be a no.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's possible and more than possible. And it's better than the idea of just continual degeneracy.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, I'm not promoting degeneracy.

[Andrew Wilson]

However, sex outside of marriage.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, who is that degenerative to. I mean, that's your. That's your.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's your Bible.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean, most. Most of your Christians, your traditional. Hold on for a second. Most of your traditional Christian women that are getting married to these simps are blindsided, typically by women that were promiscuous. So that sounds like normal.

[Andrew Wilson]

Sounds like sex out of marriage is bad.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It sounds like it's really bad. But those are your women you're trying to marry, not the virgins that we're going to have.

[Andrew Wilson]

I think that this is mitigated by you being a secularist for versus a Christian. Give me a break.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean, you're not going to mitigate women throwing their around the Internet. You can hardly mitigate that. I mean, you haven't done anything at this particular point. They're busting it wide open on only fans.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, we can only he can outlaw on the fans.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean, every one of your scenarios is a big, big major swing at. They're not happening. All right? It's not happening.

[Andrew Wilson]

Did you know that they're not versus Larry. The very. The people versus Larry Flint was not. Not long ago when the normalization of. Used to be outlawed. Okay? It used to be outlawed all over the United States. And guess what? The effects that it had on the psychology of men and the effects it had on marriage were negligible. You could still get it to some degree underground.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Right.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it was tough and it was illegal. Why do you think.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And people still went to the.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why do you think that they.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't know if you remember this. If you're old enough, they still went to that VHS area or the area of the magazine.

[Andrew Wilson]

It.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, but they. But that was. That was a result. That was kind of. What.

[Andrew Wilson]

After they legalized it. Before they legalized it, those sections didn't exist.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly. So now it's wide and open. It's an open.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. So we need to eliminate it. Yes.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We didn't eliminate Playboy in Penthouse.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's still Larry Flint. Larry Flint was Penthouse.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I understand that, but it's still here. I mean.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, he won the case.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Correct. Only fans.

[Andrew Wilson]

We're unwinding and have been unwinding. That's what Roe V was. The idea of Roie Wade was by.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The time me only fans. The damage is done. I'm going just let you know.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You know what the damage is? Pretty much. And that would take 30 or 40 years.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, well, after a war, the damage is done. It might take 30 or 40 years. But you know what the thing is, is we don't quit because it might take some time.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I didn't ask you to quit. What I'm asking you is you're trying to solve the problem today of getting traditional.

[Andrew Wilson]

Both traditional today, tomorrow.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I understand that tomorrow. Tomorrow will be a better day. But at this point you're looking at traditional conservative women that have thrown their punanis out.

[Andrew Wilson]

Sure.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The more single moms.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, they're not traditional.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, but yeah, and they're not. But this exists. And unfortunately the traditional conservative movement or.

[Andrew Wilson]

And it's full of festival.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah. These women come in as feminists, liberals, and they cosplay, trick these men in the marriages, say that they're going to marry them, not in the secular. And then they follow you and then they run right back to the court. Now this does happen quite a bit, even in the Christian church.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not from us.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, I don't know how many you are. We still haven't determined.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it's funny, this still happens.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So a lot of men get caught off guard because they see her thumping a Bible, oh, she's one of us. And these women have figured out how to cop.

[Andrew Wilson]

And again, I think this is a good question. Right. Notice I've answered all of yours. You haven't answered any mind. But the thing is I answer. Yeah. Can I ask a couple?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, great. So the progressive mantra is that sexual liberation, this is what feminism was based around. Sexual liberation. That was the big one. Correct. That their bodies were being controlled not just from abortion, but from who they chose to have sex with because they were attracted to them. This and that. Marriage was a complete trap for women. It was self destructive to them. This and that. What is the distinction in your message in that one to men?

[Coach Greg Adams]

What's my message?

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, it seems to me that your message is that marriage is simply too dangerous and that if you want to sleep with women outside of it, it's perfectly fine and it's actually liberating for you because you're moving away from the trappings of marriage itself and it would be safe. Hang on, hang on. That seemed like the same exact message that we got in the 70s from feminists.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If you frame it, that way it would be, but.

[Andrew Wilson]

So you're a feminist.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hold on for a second. It would be two different outcomes. You're protecting wealth, access to children. You're actually being able to control who. Who has your children.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's what they wanted.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly. Well, no, they want to be able to kill their children and aboard them.

[Andrew Wilson]

They wanted to be able to determine.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're asking. We're trying to figure out who. Where we have the control leg. Legally. They're having the control over their body. These are two different.

[Andrew Wilson]

But it's.

[Coach Greg Adams]

These are two different outcomes. So what's the linear factor from a.

[Andrew Wilson]

1970S feminist to your messaging right now? What is the difference?

[Coach Greg Adams]

They're trying to control their bodies.

[Andrew Wilson]

So are you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm trying to control legally, financially. These are two different things. Those are your body outcomes.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're controlling your.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no. They'll just make it a body.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's the same thing.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's financial. These aren't now my body.

[Andrew Wilson]

The same arguments they made.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, you're trying to make it the same. I know you're trying to. No, no, no. You're trying to cram that in. Oh, finances is your body. I'm trying to control the legal outcomes related to that. Related to finances. Not related to me being liberated and sleep with who I want to. The first goal was to control what happens to me financially. It was never the goal for men to avoid marriage to sleep around. That's the feminist goal. Those are two different things.

[Andrew Wilson]

They make the same claim. They make the same claim. They. Their claim is. Was financ. We're not telling that they need to go sleep.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Those are two different.

[Andrew Wilson]

We're not telling women they need to go sleep around. We're just telling them they can if they want to. Isn't that the same as your message.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If they want to? Some men don't sleep around.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Some men don't sleep around.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's just feminism for men, dude.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's what you want to call.

[Andrew Wilson]

There's no prescriptions. It's just feminism for men.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How's that not a prescription? I get to control who. Who I'm with. Control where the law is.

[Andrew Wilson]

And I am.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hold on for a second. And I get to control where my finances are? Not.

[Andrew Wilson]

The state said the feminist.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, no, no. That's not. No, no, no. That's not. It's not the one.

[Andrew Wilson]

We don't have a bank account. We can't decide with the vote. He can't decide what to do with our children's property.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's a Secondary. That's a secondary issue. That is a secondary issue. Tried to compare it. You try to compare it and then say finances is body. I mean, come on. I mean, you're really trying to fight. You're really trying to cram this. They were like, we want credit narrative.

[Andrew Wilson]

We want to be able to control our bank accounts very much.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Secondary, tertiary issue. We're talking about what you frame.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's the primary issue.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The primary issue for you is finances. It's not to sleep around. All right, that would be two different things. But I'm not maintaining my independence and staying single. But it's so I can sleep around. That's not the primary.

[Andrew Wilson]

I understand.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It is for finance. So those are two different.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, they're not.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm going to make it the same for you. Go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let me give the explanation, please. If every single argument you make, even if you say these ones over here are tangential, but I agree with them, is the same exact argument of the 1970s BR burning feminist. Whether or not you're right, that's what they believe. Whether or not it's the primary goal.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Make it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Make it work for you.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Make it work for you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Even if it's the case it's not the primary goal, it's a secondary goal. They're still the same goals. At least make the argument for your.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Response on reach on in there.

[Andrew Wilson]

So the thing is, dig deep is if you say, hey, man, dig deep. This is about financing. It's like, okay, well, you know, the 1970s feminist. We can't have credit cards, we can't control our bank accounts, we can't control our own financial independence from men. That's what they're fighting for. You want the same thing, independence from women to control your own finances.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We're talking about promiscuity.

[Andrew Wilson]

Almost done with the argument. Then he can rebut it. Next thing is when you're talking about promiscuity, sure, Sleep with whoever you want, right. It's under your purview because you can do whatever you want with your body. Same exact argument that they're making. They're not the property of men. Of men, right. They should have complete sexual liberation, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. All of these are the same degenerate structured systems which led us to where we are currently, right this second, except you're just providing them for men instead of women. It's like, can't we at least at some level look at this and say, look, just because crazy women are doing these insane things, we can actually as mental do something about this prescriptively without adding the degeneracy. Can't we do that?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, let's go back. Okay, so such thing as, you know, medicine, you might take a medication to solve one issue and you get side effects. You're telling me the side effects equals what the men wanted as to solve the problem, to heal. That's the reason they took the medication. Now you tell me about all these side effects. A side effect of feminism being able to control their body is to also have finances. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Same thing with the men. The men didn't intentionally go in there to say this is for our bodies. We went in there to say this is for to control our finances. Then as a result of that, there could be some other things that happen as a result.

[Andrew Wilson]

But if the results are the same.

[Coach Greg Adams]

As feminism, it's not the same. What's the result outcome? Because at that particular point, at that particular point, the man has controlled his finances. He's outside of the safe system.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's what the feminist argued for themselves.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There is is. That's a completely different reason. You can have.

[Andrew Wilson]

Who cares? It's the same outcome.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You can have the same outcome and it could be for different reasons. All right, you're saying the outcome pretty. Pretty much says it's a reason. That's not true. You can have two different reasons to have similar outcomes.

[Andrew Wilson]

So we have the same outcomes for 1970s progressive feminist, for men. Because you intended it to be different.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You wanted to. You wanted to compare. You just simply wanted to compare it as the same. It is the same as apples and oranges.

[Andrew Wilson]

Challenges.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's apples.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's apples and oranges. Because you mean it that way. I didn't mean it that way. Even though that's the same result.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You framed it that way because your narrative, that's your narrative.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's not my narrative. You just agree. Listen that what I said is true.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I didn't agree with anything you did.

[Andrew Wilson]

You just said that's the same comparison.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This is the outcome. If I choose to do something for different outcomes. It's not the same just because certain things line up. It's just the way you want. And you're cherry picking, by the way. And you're very good at it. It you're cherry picking the good things, the good, the bad things. And do you want to reframe traditionalism and call up the traditional church? Well, the traditional church also had the Klux KLAN in the 1950s. Is that what you. Protestant church? Okay. Well, it's the church. And at that particular point you want to go ahead and cherry pick what's good and what's. By the way, they were great snatch.

[Andrew Wilson]

Those were Democrats.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Exactly. And of course they were Democrats. And certainly. Okay, well now we're. Where are we at? There's going to be Democrats in your church. No. Democrats.

[Andrew Wilson]

Divorce.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Of course there will be. So they're going to be people that.

[Andrew Wilson]

Have to do with anything.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're snapshotting traditional world that literally you can just pinpoint 10 years. And if I go back 10 years before it was non existent. You're reaching. You're creating a pie in the sky. And then if I fast forward 15 years later, it don't exist. Exist. Now you're trying to bring it back out of there like you're Billy Graham. I know that doesn't exist. There's not the normal traditional church. You're. You're screenshotting things. You're. You're picking out a period of history to say we need to take it back from here. That period. Only a small percentage trying to give a holistic view.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not just.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're giving religious views. Not a holistic view. It's very religious.

[Andrew Wilson]

Most of history is full of religion.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm saying a whole bunch of religious people killing people. People. But go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's it.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

That accounts.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Keep it going.

[Andrew Wilson]

All right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

A lot of people can. A lot of fornication.

[Andrew Wilson]

About 4 to 6% of all wars were religiously based.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How much? How much?

[Andrew Wilson]

4 to 6%. You can look it up. All right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't care what. That doesn't matter. They kill each other at mass. Race. All right, listen. Religion is not the 4 to 6% you guys generously.

[Andrew Wilson]

And feminism for men say it was.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You didn't have to live degeneracy if you're non religious. That's your world.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You always make it fit.

[Andrew Wilson]

Fit what you want because it does fit. It is the truth. That's what you guys advocate.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're only good if you're religious. That's ridiculous. All right. You only make good decisions because you're religious. That's ridiculous. That's what you hope. That's not the case because a lot of people that are injured.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why do you say. Hold on, hold on. A lot of talk about outcomes being.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You better admit it. You just admitted that there are women that are feminists in your church.

[Andrew Wilson]

Of course.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, so there's your solution there. You're. You're telling me it's always better. Better.

[Andrew Wilson]

It is always Better.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What you're doing is selling men a fantasy of them, and you're selling them feminism. I'm not. Well, we can agree to disagree on that. And you're selling them a fantasy, all right? Most people will be dead by the time you get even one inch closer to whatever you're proposing. Well, most men will be dead as a door.

[Andrew Wilson]

You have assured that black men will be dead. You said so yourself. There's no fixing it. They will be. That's your prescription.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, that's the prescription that you heard. What I told black men is to leave that community. The community is not.

[Andrew Wilson]

Are they doomed or not?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Like you said, the black men leave the community, they thrive.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I know.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Are this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Are black men doomed like you said?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Black men that leave the community, they thrive.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I know very well. Our blacks. Are black men doomed like you said.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Earlier under the matriarchy of the black community? Yes, under. Under the scenario that I'm proposing for black men. Absolutely not. They thrive.

[Andrew Wilson]

But that's in the future.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What about right now? So that's.

[Andrew Wilson]

What about.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Right? They're thriving right now under your degenerate, generously model. All right. They're crying right now. Under the generous.

[Andrew Wilson]

Who?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, yes. Oh, you're looking at one.

[Andrew Wilson]

Right?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're looking at.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wait a second.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So that's who.

[Andrew Wilson]

So let me get.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're looking at the notorious one right now. That's who. You want an example? Give me your numbers.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, so, man, you didn't give me your numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The whole damn stream, but you're telling.

[Andrew Wilson]

Me I gave you tons?

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, give me your numbers of your. Your ecclesiastic marriage where your pastor on the Little House on the Prairie is going to prevent.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, give me the numbers again.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay, you're asking me for.

[Andrew Wilson]

I have to explain this?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Come on, man.

[Andrew Wilson]

So again, when you're talking about the. Just because they don't have polling data for the United States specifically, we can't definitely look at other nations where there's ecclesiastical marriages and the divorce rates. That's one. You can do it right now. No, the second. The second is this. Even if I go, even if I grant that just because polling data for that specific thing doesn't exist right this second, okay? The polling data for people who even. Who are engaged in state marriage is still lower. That makes my argument much more compelling than.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's all fine and dandy when you're comparing 125 people. People to millions of people.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, these are millions of people in the state.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What's the number of People that. Particip of what?

[Andrew Wilson]

Which thing?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I keep asking you this. You never give me.

[Andrew Wilson]

I've already told you 50 times. There's no polling thing. Exactly.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You don't have a number.

[Andrew Wilson]

But I do have numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

It's a fantasy. Been selling people a fantasy.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do you realize that?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I love it, though.

[Andrew Wilson]

Listen, you make my point stronger, not worse.

[Coach Greg Adams]

A fantasy.

[Andrew Wilson]

If it's the case that people are engaged in state marriage right this second and are part of traditional churches and their divorce rate is lower, it has to logically follow that if they were not engaged in state marriage, the divorce rate would be even lower.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're talking about getting hit over the head 30 times. 30 to 50. Okay, that's great.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's huge. That's huge.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Give you that. That's the difference between150,000 people, yet you're telling me you have a better solution? No, it's mitigating. Hold on. You're giving me a mitigating better than that 30?

[Andrew Wilson]

That's a more than 150,000.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Where's that solution for the. The better than the 30 I've been asking for it. You can't tell me how many people that you got under these. Yeah, the target contracts that aren't.

[Andrew Wilson]

I can logically demonstrate it for you. There's no polling data for that.

[Coach Greg Adams]

So what? Get that number. That would be a great. When I asked you to tell the audience. Hold on for a second. You can tell the audience. Okay. How many people that you're going to prevent from busting out this ecclesiastic contract with your little household, whatever it is that you're doing. If you could tell your men how many people you have doing it and you prevented them from getting divorced and losing their kids under custody. Please tell us.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, so otherwise it's a fantasy. Oh, let's. Let's respond again. Do you have the polling data for how many of the black men you've personally helped?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, let's see.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Hundreds of thousands. Hundreds of thousands. Hey, everybody in the chat, where's the polling data? We're gonna do it right now, live.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's scientific.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Everybody press one.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's polling data.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Coach Greg Adams.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's polling data.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If you follow me for the last.

[Andrew Wilson]

You don't have hundreds of thousands on your chat. Dude, give me a break.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Press 1 if you can see it. Look, look. You see that?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. Where's your.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, you don't want to look. Look at this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Where's the polling day?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Coach Gang represent.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do you have polling data?

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's more than your ecclesiastic contracts. I guarantee you that.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, everyone in the Crucible chat. Who Andrew Wilson has helped put one in the chat. That's scientific polling data. Says coach Whoever.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I know you don't want to hear it. I thought. Thought you. You was going to let it happen. Now all of a sudden you don't like the numbers? Come on, Andrew, man.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's not polling data.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I thought we were better than.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's not polling data, doofus. What are you talking about?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You call me. Were you gonna call me a doofus?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes. That's doofus.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yo, man, that's crazy because I asked you for a number and I'm the doofus. You can't even give me a number. I gave you a hard dat. Wait. Where's your. Where's your. Where's your army at? What's the name of your up. What's the name of your group?

[Andrew Wilson]

The Crucible Chat.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The Crucible Army. Go ahead and pull them up. Up and tell. Tell them. Tell them how many of them are under your contract.

[Andrew Wilson]

And let's make sure we got this straight. How many people are in his live chat right now?

[Moderator]

He's got 20.

[Andrew Wilson]

60. And see how many people are in mine.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Let's go. Pull it up. I. They're gonna. They should beat me in your ecclesiastic contract.

[Andrew Wilson]

They should.

[Coach Greg Adams]

They should floor us in the ecclesiastic contract.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, four, 300.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's like not even double.

[Andrew Wilson]

Just one.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right. We're both doing well.

[Andrew Wilson]

Just one, please. We're just one, please. And now that means I win.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Where they at?

[Andrew Wilson]

That's scientific polling.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Crickets over there. Okay, just one.

[Andrew Wilson]

Ones.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There they go.

[Andrew Wilson]

All you gotta do is one Data.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There's a couple of twos in there. I want the ecclesiastic contract marriages.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, no, no, no. You said who have I helped?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, wait a minute.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's different.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, you ask who for me.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Who's followed my prescription?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

There you go.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's not calling data. Dude.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I asked you for the ecclesiastic contracts. Andrew, this is very simple.

[Andrew Wilson]

What part of this don't have the polling data, but I can logically demonstrate it. Do you not understand?

[Coach Greg Adams]

You're selling a fan.

[Andrew Wilson]

We do have the numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Selling a fantasy.

[Andrew Wilson]

God, dude. This is.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And I think. I think what you need to do.

[Andrew Wilson]

Is talking to a.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And I hope that all those cancer sticks that you've been smoking will help your ass live long enough to see how far you've led men astray I would love that for you to survive. And I would bless you by the name of God in the Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints that you survive all them goddamn smokes.

[Andrew Wilson]

You don't follow Jesus Christ of Latter Day.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All those smokes you have so you can come out here and live and see how many Jesus Christ of Latter.

[Andrew Wilson]

Day Saints you follow. Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Somebody does. More people than that. More people than the crucible, the L that you.

[Andrew Wilson]

You are not in the LDS Church, dude.

[Coach Greg Adams]

More people. More people than you have under your ecclesiastic contract, I can guarantee you that.

[Andrew Wilson]

All right. All you have to do is agree to one proposition. Is it the case that you personally think that if there is no state contract, you're not winning a state contract, your chances of getting divorced are going to decrease? Is that true or false?

[Coach Greg Adams]

If that's true, even if you don't get married. Correct. Your chances of getting divorced goes to zero. And that's the same thing. I said don't get married. State, you don't get divorced. The number one cause of divorce is marriage, not marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Sounds like a state contract.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, the number one cause of divorce is marriage. Hey, Andrew, let's just say this, man.

[Andrew Wilson]

Listen, I thought they could divorce you even if you weren't married to him five minutes ago.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, you went through a ceremony. You went through a religious ceremony. So at that point they can. But if I never went through a ceremony, they can.

[Andrew Wilson]

They can sue you for anything, by your logic, whether you want.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Don't move the goal post. I said. Said you went through a ceremony. I didn't. All right, Those are two different things, sir.

[Andrew Wilson]

Which part of I don't really. Again, I don't understand. If it's the case that you scrambling.

[Coach Greg Adams]

And scraping for right now.

[Andrew Wilson]

If it's the case that you say.

[Coach Greg Adams]

He'S scrambling and scraping for right now by the state. We got him scrambling.

[Andrew Wilson]

If you're married by the state. If you're married by the state, your chances of marriage are divorced, you don't.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Get married, your chances of divorce is zero.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. Okay, wait a second.

[Moderator]

I'm sorry.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The chances of. If you don't.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. Unless you're cohabitating.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Right. Divorce.

[Andrew Wilson]

Unless you're cohabitating.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Depends on where you live.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. So then it's not zero. So you just lied. It's not zero.

[Coach Greg Adams]

California.

[Andrew Wilson]

So then it's not zero. What?

[Coach Greg Adams]

What about if you don't cohabitate?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, again. Now you're moving the goal post.

[Coach Greg Adams]

If you read my book, man, I Bet you can't read. Did you write a book? I'm pretty sure you didn't. I wrote a book. My wife can.

[Andrew Wilson]

I take all her money, though.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Good. Well, that tells me what type of man you are. Holy mackerel, you're pipping your wife out now. What's next if those. How many books that she sold? Now, let me get back to this. Hold on for a second. My prescription. My prescription for men is. No, hold on for a second. No, no, no, no.

[Andrew Wilson]

Not to write a book.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah, Well, I guess YouTube's going well if you're living off your wife books. All right, what's her name so we could give her some shine to sell some books.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, her name is Rachel Wilson, the author of Occult Feminism. I guarantee it sold more copies than yours, sir.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right, let's. Well, we can look it up. Let this over now. We can look it up now watch this. Watch this. This. All right, go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

I want to look it up right now.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Now.

[Andrew Wilson]

Now. I've just. Now I just want.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Now, at this point, what have you done? You're living off the backs of your wife. Oh, my goodness. Is this traditional marriage?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes, absolutely.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Boy, oh, boy. Men have fallen. I'm going to tell you that.

[Andrew Wilson]

Absolutely.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Men have fallen. It's a disgrace. Right now you're living off a. Wh. Is this traditional marriage, by the way? Yes, your wife is in the traditional marriage and you're living off her finances. God damn. All right, boy, the crucible is falling apart at this particular point. Bursting open at the scene. Gentlemen, what's your book called? Free Agent Lifestyle.

[Andrew Wilson]

You got me, man.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yeah, I did got you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Is this true? I take all of her money? It's true.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, that's what you said.

[Andrew Wilson]

I mean, I do.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You said that.

[Andrew Wilson]

I do.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I mean, I'm not saying something.

[Andrew Wilson]

All of it. And it's been on guns.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Every additional marriage. Sounds great, guys.

[Andrew Wilson]

Does that sound bad? Is it. Who would be upset by that? I take all of my wife's money and spend it on guns. He says traditional marital.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Traditional marriage. That falls under traditional marriage, sure. Oh, boy.

[Andrew Wilson]

What's untraditional about it?

[Coach Greg Adams]

That's. That's a. That's a great traditional marriage.

[Andrew Wilson]

It sounds like a great traditional marriage to me.

[Moderator]

Yeah, I can't find the numbers, honestly.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, well, that's too bad.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This all happens. Happens. But, you know, it's a bestseller. Trust me, you should read it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Tell us yours. They just sold.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But what have you done? But what have you done?

[Andrew Wilson]

I take her money.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Zero. Exactly. Boy, I mean, you hear this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Coach Greg Adams]

This is the traditional patriarchy masculinity here in live and in living color. But you can follow him. You can follow me.

[Moderator]

I mean, your book is ranked higher on the charts and it has more ratings. Oops, can't find them. Sales numbers on either.

[Andrew Wilson]

The sales numbers are what matters. Oh, let's see the numbers. Oh, numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, numbers. Oh, numbers. Oops.

[Andrew Wilson]

Numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm higher ranked. More. More people have.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let's see the numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Come on, man. I don't know. I don't keep the data. I don't know. What.

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't know how many books you've sold.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Millions.

[Andrew Wilson]

So millions of books. Give me a break with this.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How many books you sold? Zero. You sold zero goddamn books and coping. You listen, I'm higher ranked. I'm higher ranked.

[Andrew Wilson]

Millions of books.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Look at the numbers. The numbers don't lie, Mr. Numbers Guy.

[Andrew Wilson]

Where's the numbers?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Higher rank, more people.

[Andrew Wilson]

I want to know how many more.

[Coach Greg Adams]

People have rated the book Free agent, lifestyle for life.

[Andrew Wilson]

And guess what? You can. Hi. You can definitely brigade your own.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You challenge me.

[Andrew Wilson]

Show me the numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Challenge me. So zero goddamn numbers are what? You saw the numbers.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, I didn't.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Numbers.

[Andrew Wilson]

I asked you for the sales numbers.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How many of you sold numbers. Free Agent Lifestyle for Life. Everybody go out by the free lifestyle.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. The free agent never, never does. I know how many he sold.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I'm higher ranked, man.

[Andrew Wilson]

So what?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I got more people.

[Andrew Wilson]

Look, that doesn't mean.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Sean, Michael. Yeah. You see that? I'm higher ranked.

[Moderator]

I'd imagine with the ranking algorithm, sales does play a factor.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Come on, man. We already know that though. It is what it is, one of the numbers. I don't know my numbers. My probably better than hers, but I know it's better than yours.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's true.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I've never written a book.

[Andrew Wilson]

I just take that. I just take the authors.

[Coach Greg Adams]

You come up with obvious solutions to scenarios. I don't have a solution. Free agent lifestyle.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's not a solution anything. It's just a generous solution that you don't like. It's just go.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no. That's what you think. All right? It's a solution that you didn't. How's it going to help.

[Andrew Wilson]

How's it going to help with abortion? How's it going to help with anything?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Well, that's what the evolution is for. Real evolution. Go ahead and pull that up.

[Andrew Wilson]

All right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How does the evolution. Go ahead and look.

[Andrew Wilson]

How.

[Coach Greg Adams]

How about you read the book and then come back? You don't need your research.

[Andrew Wilson]

How does the evolution.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I figured you were a better debater than this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Can you answer the question now?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Be well prepared next time because I don't have time.

[Andrew Wilson]

You can't answer any questions.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But I'm gonna sell some books. Creation, Lifestyle and the Evolution. The link is in the description box below.

[Andrew Wilson]

All right.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I did my work. I don't have to explain it. I wrote a book. Your job is to do the work. All right? And that's what we teach men to do. It's not about degeneracy. We teach men to do the work and not come up with pie in the sky fantasies that don't work. All right, the captain, obviously your. Your solutions are very obvious control propaganda.

[Andrew Wilson]

All right?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Jesus Christ, man. Look, anybody could.

[Andrew Wilson]

Here's your solution. Do whatever you want.

[Coach Greg Adams]

The free agent lifestyle.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, whoever, just whoever, it's fine. We're not feminists, those guys. Even though we have all feminist propositions.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I bet you your wife's body count's higher than yours.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I bet your wife's body count was higher than yours.

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, no, I'm not married. I mean, I'm not married. And your wife, you live it off of her. I bet you her body count account higher than yours.

[Andrew Wilson]

You think so?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Oh, I know so. Oh, I know. Just like you know your traditional conservative. I know she got ran through more times in the Holland tunnel.

[Andrew Wilson]

So that's it? It's just now after my wife, Is.

[Coach Greg Adams]

That what we want to do?

[Andrew Wilson]

That's where you went?

[Coach Greg Adams]

No, you. Did I say a word up? Your wife.

[Andrew Wilson]

Did I say a word about your wife?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't got one.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, if you did, do you think I would have you brought her up?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I. I brought my.

[Andrew Wilson]

Did I. Did I attack her?

[Coach Greg Adams]

I didn't attack her.

[Andrew Wilson]

You just said she had a high body count. You lying sack of. Show me the proof.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I don't have any proof. Yeah, you're just making up traditional conservative. You've been losing debate for a long time.

[Andrew Wilson]

Your wife has a holy boy co.

[Coach Greg Adams]

I bet you she does. That's the number.

[Andrew Wilson]

What's the right proof?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Traditional conservative women have higher body.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's not a bad con. Dude, you don't even know what you're talking about.

[Coach Greg Adams]

She's not a track con and you married.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm not a trot con. You didn't do your homework.

[Coach Greg Adams]

What are you?

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm a Christian ethicist.

[Coach Greg Adams]

A Christian ethicist? Yes. All right, very good. All right and very good. Still don't know the numbers. How many people follow you?

[Andrew Wilson]

Follow what?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Follow your prescription, your master solution. No numbers.

[Andrew Wilson]

I literally have.

[Coach Greg Adams]

But you're asking me number after number.

[Andrew Wilson]

After number of the. The fact that the traditional churches. Divorces are lower.

[Coach Greg Adams]

We got that. But how many men follow you?

[Andrew Wilson]

We don't know the polling data. We don't need to. We know that even if they're with the state, it's still low.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Coach Gang. Coach Gang.

[Andrew Wilson]

One in the chat.

[Coach Greg Adams]

All right. Coach Gang. One in the chat. You bought the free one in J.

[Moderator]

All right, it's been two hours. You guys want to call it?

[Coach Greg Adams]

Yep.

[Moderator]

All right, guys, check them out. That was a fun debate. We'll let Chachi decide who won this thing. We'll throw in the transcript in there and link it in the video. See you guys next time. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm.

[Coach Greg Adams]

Thank you.