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Episode: Andy Schoonover | CrowdHealth: The Healthcare System Is SCAMMING You
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Andy Schoonover, CEO of CrowdHealth
Date: January 19, 2026
Episode Number: DSH #1769

Overview

In this episode, Sean Kelly welcomes Andy Schoonover, the CEO of CrowdHealth, for a candid, unfiltered discussion on the state of the U.S. healthcare system. The conversation dives deep into why Andy believes the current system is fundamentally broken—labeling it as a “scam”—and how CrowdHealth offers an alternative that leverages community-based healthcare payments rather than traditional insurance models. Together, Sean and Andy explore the unsustainable costs, perverse incentives, administrative overload, and how a shift to direct-pay models and community funding could revolutionize health outcomes and affordability in America. The episode also touches on government policy, the impact of AI on medicine, and some personal anecdotes that highlight the real-world stakes.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Broken Incentives and Escalating Costs in Healthcare

• Inefficiency and Administrative Bloat:
  • Doctors routinely contend with insurance companies for hours each week, leading to increased expenses and stress.
  • “The average doctor spends somewhere between 16 and 18 hours a week fighting with health insurance plans. So imagine spending two days of your week just fighting to get paid.” (Andy, 00:13)
• Rising Premiums and Out-of-Control Pricing:
  • Health insurance premiums are soaring; some families face $5,600 per month ($70,000/year).
  • “50 to 75% for a lot of people next year. I mean, the worst one I've seen: $5,600 a month for a family of five.” (Andy, 01:53)
• Network Complexities and Denied Care:
  • Patients must research acceptable hospitals in emergencies due to insurance restrictions, often delaying critical care.
  • “The last thing you want to do when you're going to the ER is be like, what hospital can I go to?” (Andy, 03:24)

2. Perverse Financial Incentives

• Why Insurance Companies Want Rising Costs:
  • Insurance firms are capped at making 15% profit on premiums, incentivizing them to push premiums higher rather than reduce costs.
  • “They actually want the price to go up. ... if the prices went down 10%, their profit would go down 10%.” (Andy, 06:16)
• Bureaucracy Overload:
  • Administrative roles in healthcare have skyrocketed, driving up costs without improving care quality.
  • “There's a crazy chart...over the last 30 years, the number of doctors stayed flat, while the number of administrators is up 30-fold.” (Andy, 10:44)

3. Direct Pay and Negotiation: The CrowdHealth Alternative

• Negotiation Power Without Insurance:
  • Uninsured patients—and CrowdHealth members—regularly negotiate medical bills down by 50% or more compared to insured rates.
  • “We’re getting prices that are about 50% better than United Health Care.” (Andy, 08:00)
• How to Negotiate Hospital Bills:
  • CrowdHealth employs experts and attorneys to handle negotiations; individuals can also check fair market prices using AI tools.
  • “You can even stick your bill into ChatGPT now and be like, what is a fair price for this bill?” (Andy, 08:45)
• Hospitals Rarely Pursue Aggressive Collections:
  • Nonprofit hospitals seldom sue uninsured patients—it’s a “bad look” and costly for them.
  • “They don’t sue… 99% of the time they’ll take a reasonable rate as long as you give something reasonable.” (Andy, 09:34)

4. International Comparison & Systemic Problems

• U.S. Trade-offs: Price, Quality, Speed:
  • U.S. healthcare prioritizes quality and speed, at the cost of skyrocketing prices, unlike systems that offer “free” care but involve long wait times (e.g., Canada, UK).
  • “In Canada… you have to wait six or nine months to get an MRI in many places.” (Andy, 30:38)
• Administrative Waste:
  • Only around 8% of U.S. healthcare spending goes to doctors; most is funneled to administration and bureaucracy.
  • “Of the healthcare dollar spent, only 8% goes to the doctor.” (Andy, 14:25)

5. Doctor Burnout & Exodus

• Widespread Frustration and Burnout:
  • Many doctors plan to leave medicine; patient visits are rushed, with little time for preventative care.
  • “40% of doctors would exit the system if they could.” (Andy, 15:03)
• Failure of Preventative Focus:
  • The pharma-first approach dominates, pushing medication instead of addressing lifestyle-driven chronic issues.
  • “80% of our chronic conditions are because of lifestyle issues.” (Andy, 15:23)

6. CrowdHealth’s Structure and Successes

• Community-Powered Medical Funding:
  • Members pay each other's bills directly, with support for large claims (like cancer, NICU, accidents).
  • “We’ve had dozens of cancer cases, NICU babies, and all kinds of stuff funded by the community.” (Andy, 20:00)
• Substantial Savings and Zero Bankruptcies for Members:
  • Typical childbirth costs cut by over 30% compared to insured rates.
  • “Labor and delivery is $18,000. ... our entire kind of birth cost is like $11,000.” (Andy, 21:39)
  • “With us, zero have gone bankrupt due to a health event.” (Andy, 23:53)
• Personal Story—Why Andy Left Insurance:
  • After a denied claim for his daughter, Andy founded CrowdHealth to offer a transparent, fair system.
  • "I got a note from my insurance company a few weeks after that saying it was medically unnecessary and so they weren't going to pay for it." (Andy, 18:24)

7. Transparency and AI in Healthcare

• Transparent Pricing Tools:
  • CrowdHealth’s app helps members find the true prices of procedures (example: MRI for $275 instead of the typical $4,000 insurance payout).
  • “Our app will show you, like, all the places that you could get an MRI, and it'll show you what the price is.” (Andy, 25:21)
• AI’s Role in Diagnoses and Medicine:
  • AI’s rise will likely reduce people in administrative and diagnostic roles, potentially lowering future costs.
  • “We're seeing it already start with AI where people are going to ChatGPT and saying, I have X, Y, and Z going on with me. What could it be?” (Andy, 12:10)

8. Preventative Health and Incentives

• Discounts for Healthy Behavior:
  • CrowdHealth gives 20% discounts for members in the best quartile of health markers (insulin, C-reactive protein, visceral fat).
  • “If you take those three tests and you're in the top quartile for two of the three, you get 20% off our service.” (Andy, 35:57)

9. Corruption, Censorship, and Systemic Barriers

• Big Healthcare’s Power & Lobbying:
  • Insurance and pharmaceutical industries suppress disruptive innovations through regulatory complaints and lobbying.
  • “They give more in lobbying…to political campaigns than anybody else out there.” (Andy, 26:26)
• Media and Platform Suppression:
  • Sean notes his own content being censored due to discussing alternative medicine or criticisms of pharma.
  • “I've had clips on every platform…get deleted or marked for medical misinformation.” (Sean, 27:51)

10. The Future and a Call for Revolution

• CrowdHealth as a Movement:
  • Andy is committed to not selling out, determined to drive a grassroots revolution in healthcare.
  • "We need to revolutionize healthcare, because nobody else is doing it. Everybody's bought out… When hell freezes over, I'll sell out to a health insurance plan." (Andy, 28:03, 28:27)
• A Scalable Model:
  • With 17,000+ members and $50 million in member savings, CrowdHealth aims to scale to millions, hoping to force broader systemic change.
  • “If we have millions of people, we could change the system.” (Andy, 43:05)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• The Saline IV Story (Healthcare Price Gouging):
  “I get the bill, and they charged me $5,000 to have this little bottle of water. … I went on Amazon and I was like, how much can I buy this bottle of water for? It was eight bucks.”
  — Andy Schoonover, (04:29–05:04)

• Transparency and Community:
  “Your money comes directly to me. … It's like bringing humanity back to healthcare, which I think these big insurance companies have kind of stolen from us.”
  — Andy Schoonover, (39:10–39:23)

• Health Policy Irony:
  “It's called the Affordable Care Act. There's kind of a joke that whatever the bill is called, it does the exact opposite.”
  — Andy Schoonover, (33:23)

• On Government Involvement:
  “Anything that the government touches is… up into the right. You know, TVs, cell phones, cars... those prices have gone down. Health care, college tuition…where the government is really involved, those have skyrocketed.”
  — Andy Schoonover, (32:00)

• Perverse Incentives:
  “There's no incentive for the system… pharmaceutical company makes less money, insurance company makes less money, hospital systems make less money if you're healthy.”
  — Andy Schoonover, (36:38)

• On Starting CrowdHealth:
  “It was at that point I was like, screw this, man. Like, I'm not doing this anymore… I bet other people would like this too.”
  — Andy Schoonover, (18:24–19:59)

• Capitalism vs. Healthcare:
  “It's actually the side effect of not having capitalism within health care because there's no market forces to push this down.”
  — Andy Schoonover, (29:07)

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00-03:10 | System inefficiencies, doctor stress, admin overload | | 01:49 | Health insurance cost increases, shocking real numbers | | 05:03 | The $5,000 saline IV story—extreme markup example | | 06:15 | Insurance company profit incentive/perverse economics | | 08:00 | Uninsured patients get better rates than UnitedHealthcare| | 10:25 | Is this only an America problem? Bureaucracy worldwide | | 12:10 | AI and the future of diagnostics in medicine | | 14:25 | Only 8% of health dollar goes to doctors | | 15:18 | Doctor burnout: 8-minute patient appointments | | 18:24 | The personal story—insurance denial sparks CrowdHealth | | 20:00 | Funding high-cost events via community | | 21:39 | Labor and delivery cost savings | | 23:06 | Medical bankruptcies—250,000/yr even with insurance | | 25:21 | MRI example—insurance vs. direct pay pricing | | 26:26 | Healthcare industry lobbying, legal harassment | | 28:03, 28:27 | “Revolution”—vows never to sell out to insurance | | 29:07 | No capitalism in healthcare: no market forces | | 35:57 | Preventative health: CrowdHealth discounts | | 39:10 | Humanity in healthcare/community aspect | | 41:13 | Extreme case example—nearly $1M bill negotiated down | | 43:05 | Scaling CrowdHealth = changing the system |

Final Thoughts

Andy Schoonover delivers a passionate, reasoned indictment of the U.S. healthcare system and its incentives, illustrated with personal stories, hard data, and deep insider knowledge. The episode offers rare insight into how insurance, big pharma, and government intervention conspire—intentionally or accidentally—to inflate prices, bureaucracy, and patient suffering. CrowdHealth’s model, emphasizing direct payment, negotiation, price transparency, and community solidarity, is presented as both a disruptive alternative and a growing revolution with measurable wins.

This conversation is a must-listen for anyone seeking to understand the root causes of America’s healthcare crisis—and searching for real-world alternatives.

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Notable Quote for the Episode:
“We need to revolutionize healthcare, because nobody else is doing it. Everybody's bought out.”
— Andy Schoonover (28:03)