Angel Fernandez: Growing Up on the Border Changes You Forever | DSH #1741

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour

Episode: Angel Fernandez: Growing Up on the Border Changes You Forever | DSH #1741

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Angel Fernandez
Date: January 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this raw, unfiltered episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Angel Fernandez, a self-made entrepreneur whose formative years growing up along the US-Mexico border deeply shaped his worldview, hustle, and drive. The conversation is wide-ranging: from the harsh realities of border life and family struggles, to transformation through business, AI, and spirituality. Angel shares vivid accounts of his upbringing, his journey through adversity, and powerful reflections on responsibility, resilience, and purpose.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life on the Border: Survival and Hustle

• Family Ties to Crime
  • Angel recounts the normalization of cartel-related activities where he grew up:
    • “Everyone that lives along the border has an uncle or a cousin that's gone to jail for transporting drugs.” (00:00, 21:38)
    • “Everyone…knows someone that's involved with the cartel. It's just...everyday life for us.” (00:07, 21:46)
  • Sharing these realities, Angel explains how environmental pressures lead people to “do what you gotta do to survive.” (01:17)
• Early Responsibilities
  • Absent father; started working at 9 with his uncle and cousin in landscaping. (01:21–01:43)
    • “No Saturday morning cartoons for me...I was watching documentaries and Law and Order when I was like nine, bro.” (01:43)

2. Youthful Entrepreneurship & Self-Education

• Early Hustle
  • Dropped out of high school at 17 after basketball season; was already earning more than his teachers by selling jewelry. (02:09–02:32, 03:25)
  • Learned sales from a young age and emphasized the importance of self-education over formal education.
    • “I was in high school, like teaching myself the sales bible. Like, I knew I wanted to go into business.” (02:38)
• The Value of Sales
  • Angel describes sales as “just helping someone understand,” not just transactional. (03:02–03:20)

3. Gang Influence, Fights, and the “Chip”

• Gang & Violence Exposure
  • Angel was introduced to gang culture by family at age 6, fought often, and had to prove himself repeatedly. (04:06–04:42)
• The Chip on His Shoulder
  • Early need to “prove something” became central to his identity—still motivates him in high-achieving circles.
    • “That was me my whole life, man. That's still me right now. Always ready to prove something…” (05:03)
    • “I thought the chip was off my shoulder till I got around them, bro… All of a sudden I just felt the chip on my shoulder again…” (05:31)

4. Business Partnerships and Providing Value

• Meeting Mike Baron
  • A chance meeting at Louis Vuitton with a top sales manager led to partnership with entrepreneur Mike Baron. (06:23–07:11)
    • “Not too many guys that look like us spinning bread at Louis Vuitton.” (06:54)
• Value-Add Philosophy
  • Angel stresses the importance of always seeking to provide value, build bridges, and serve others—not just for those “above” you.
    • “You serve people, bro. Continuously. You gotta serve people.” (08:12)
    • “I'm all about building bridges and providing value for people.” (07:58)

5. Leadership, Team Building, and Business Culture

• Selfless Culture vs. Fear-Based Leadership
  • Advocates for leading by example and fostering selfless environments, which attracts more talent.
    • “If you have that mindset all the time, bro, you're just constantly attracting people to you.” (08:15)
    • “I constantly have a line of people who want to work for me.” (09:13)
• New Business Venture: DM Closers
  • Angel is building a business focused on handling and monetizing social media DMs, a crucial but overlooked opportunity for entrepreneurs and influencers.
    • “My new play is taking advantage of that hole in the game. I want to fill it with the right staff, with the right team.” (10:14)
    • “I'm looking right now for about 15 people...a strong DM sales team.” (10:33)

6. AI, Crypto, & The Future of Work

• AI Investments
  • Angel recently backed “Noce” (N-O-S-E), an AI start-up aiming for cultural cognizance and crypto trading abilities. (11:40–12:56)
  • Surprised at how AI can generate wealth:
    • “The amount of money I'm making, bro…Not doing anything, just off some investments. It's crazy, bro.” (13:14)
• Freedom, Purpose, and Work
  • Both agree that even if financially free, true passion (basketball, podcasting) would still drive them to work.
    • “Even if I made no money off this, I would do it.” (13:41)
    • “Basketball is such a quick game that you have no time to think anything outside of the sport itself.” (14:18)

7. Mental Health, Sports, and Self-Development

• Flow State & Meditation
  • Talks about NBA players using meditation for performance; shares his own transformation through yoga to channel anger and aggression positively. (15:01–15:46)
• Contrasts in Upbringing: Confidence vs. Aggression
  • Sean lacked confidence as a kid, while Angel had to self-motivate and played with aggression. (17:06–17:28)
• Money as a Motivator
  • Discusses using incentives (e.g., paying children for achievements in sports) and output-based rewards in business. (17:39–18:28)
  • Critique of “blame culture” and the shift toward mediocrity in American culture. (18:38–19:07)

8. Family, Gender Dynamics, & Traditional Roles

• Family Structure
  • Angel shares his view on distinct male and female roles, partly shaped by his border upbringing:
    • “Women have to be cared for. Women have to be protected. That's what I was taught by my grandparents.” (19:49)
• Working Parents & Influence on Children
  • Remarks on the difficulty of maintaining strong family structures with two working parents.
    • “It gets kind of hard to have your kids kind of stay in line and kind of get pointed in the direction.” (20:23)

9. Border Culture: Danger, Cartels, and Corruption

• Life in Border Towns
  • Regular cartel presence, danger, cars in convoy for safety, yet relative safety for tourists.
    • “Whenever we go out to the club, it's one Suburban in the middle, one Jeep in the front, one Jeep in the back. The plaza is hot...” (22:05)
• Government Corruption
  • Discusses deep collusion between cartels and the Mexican government; cross-border power plays.
    • “The Mexican government is pretty involved with everything that happens, really.” (22:51)
    • Example: Governor of Baja California losing a US visa; speculation about high-level US politicians interacting in Mexico. (23:07–24:25)

10. Politics, Responsibility, and Mindset

• Cynicism Towards Politics
  • Neither believes politicians fulfill promises; describes politics as “an illusion.” (25:58)
• Self-Reliance
  • Strong emphasis on personal responsibility as the only true determinant of success.
    • “Responsibility is the ability to respond...a lot of people just don't want to take [it].” (26:16)
    • “Even when I get scammed, I blame myself...I made the decision.” (26:37)

11. Entrepreneurship: The Real Journey

• Hardships, Sacrifice, and Delayed Rewards
  • Both Angel and Sean candidly discuss years of struggle, self-doubt, and sacrifice before reaping any rewards. (36:04–37:10)
    • “If you want to be an entrepreneur, get ready for pain, man. Get ready for long days...be broke for a long time.” (37:39)
  • Angel: “There’s an invisible energy… you’re building up… that doesn’t become money until way later.” (38:01)
• Building Bridges & Lasting Relationships
  • Importance of honesty, fairness, and not burning bridges—especially coming from humble beginnings.
    • “The more bridges you build, the more places you can get to.” (31:15)

12. Modern Education, AI, and Trade Skills

• Changing Value of College
  • “College isn't what it used to be...It's partly a scam if you let it be a scam.” (31:55)
  • Skills and trades, now often taught online, are increasingly valuable.
• AI Displacing Traditional Jobs
  • Real-life examples: Replacing paralegals, leveraging AI to analyze legal documents. (32:54–33:39)
  • Entrepreneurship & Personal Brands may be more “AI-proof.” (34:59–35:11)

13. Spirituality, Mortality, and Presence

• Views on God & The Afterlife
  • Angel is spiritual but eschews traditional human definitions of God.
    • “God cannot be defined by a human being. And if it can, that's probably not the real God.” (41:21)
• Near Death Experiences & Acceptance
  • Angel says he’s at peace with death, influenced by near-death experiences and faith in something greater.
    • “I'm at peace with death, bro. I'm at peace with life. I'm at peace with death, bro.” (43:35)
  • “The only thing I regret are the things I didn’t do.” — Angel’s grandfather, deathbed advice (49:27)

14. Mental Health, Trauma, and Healing

• Roots of Anger
  • Angel opened up about physical hunger and anger in childhood, exacerbated by family struggles. (50:02–51:10)
• Cannabis as Transformation
  • Cannabis helped Angel relax, become self-reflective, and heal relationships with others. Now uses CBN-infused gummies for sleep. (52:09–53:21)
• Cannabis Industry Insights
  • Excitement about future legalization; high margins today despite heavy taxes. (54:00–57:06)

15. Neurodiversity as Superpower

• Autism, ADHD, and High Achievement
  • Both host and guest discuss evolving views on autism and ADHD—as potential gifts, not curses.
    • “It's a skill, bro. It's a skill set...Look at you…super successful.” (61:58)
  • Rejection of medicalized pathologizing of neurodiversity.
    • “I don't think ADHD is also what they made it out to be… I just think it was another evolution.” (63:04)
• Childhood Trauma Exists Across Socioeconomic Lines
  • Sean points out trauma is universal, even in affluent settings. (65:05)

16. Angel’s Current and Future Projects

• Building Teams for Handling DMs
  • Angel is recruiting “DM setters/closers,” offering guaranteed placement, training, and potential for high earnings.
    • “We have a DM setter on our team...making like $20,000 a month.” (66:25)
  • To apply: DM Angel “elite” at @DigitalMoneyAngel on Instagram. (68:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Border Life:

  “Everyone that lives along the border has an uncle or a cousin that's gone to jail for transporting drugs.”
  — Angel Fernandez (00:00, 21:38)

• On Early Adversity:

  “My dad left when I was around like 8 years old. So it made me grow up super quick, man...No Saturday morning cartoons for me.”
  — Angel (01:43)

• On Sales and Value:

  “It's not just people looking to buy something from you. It's people looking to work with you… That's how they can touch you.”
  — Angel (11:07)

• On Being Selfless:

  “If you have that mindset all the time, bro, you're just constantly attracting people to you.”
  — Angel (08:15)

• On Responsibility:

  “Responsibility...is something a lot of people just don't want to take...Responsibility is the ability to respond.”
  — Angel (26:16)

• On Entrepreneurship:

  “If you want to be an entrepreneur, get ready for pain, man...get ready to be broke for a long time.”
  — Angel (37:39)

• On Regret:

  “The only thing I regret are the things I didn’t do.”
  — Angel’s Grandfather, quoted by Angel (49:27)

• On Spirituality:

  “God cannot be defined by a human being. And if it can, that's probably not the real God.”
  — Angel (41:21)

• On Present Moment:

  “Bro, the future exists only in your brain, and so does the past...Only the present moment is the one that's true.”
  — Angel (46:33)

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• 00:00–02:09 - Life on the border; family’s ties to crime; childhood responsibility
• 03:25–04:42 - Dropping out of high school, basketball, early business
• 05:03–06:16 - “Chip on the shoulder”; drive to compete
• 09:43–11:21 - Leadership style; building culture; DM sales business
• 11:40–13:14 - AI startup, making money with AI, future of work
• 19:49–20:28 - Traditional gender roles, family structure, children
• 21:29–24:42 - Cartel life, government corruption, cross-border power
• 25:58–26:44 - Disillusionment with politics; embracing self-reliance
• 36:04–38:30 - Entrepreneurship realities: hustle, struggle, emotional toll
• 41:21–43:39 - Angel’s spiritual philosophy and acceptance of mortality
• 49:27 - Grandfather’s deathbed wisdom on regret
• 50:02–52:09 - Anger, hunger, using cannabis to heal
• 61:57–63:04 - Autism/ADHD as superpower, not disability
• 66:25–68:04 - Angel’s DM sales training program, call to action

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Conclusion

This episode dives into the gritty truths of border-town survival, the transformation from anger to achievement, and the unvarnished reality of entrepreneurship. Angel Fernandez’s journey—steeped in adversity but resolutely forward-looking—offers a compelling testament to resilience, self-responsibility, and the power of building bridges over burning them. The conversation is an antidote to self-pity—direct, unapologetic, yet ultimately hopeful.

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Contact Angel (for DM Sales Opportunity):
Instagram: @DigitalMoneyAngel — DM the word “ELITE” for info/training.

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Transcript

[A]

Everyone that lives along the border has an uncle or a cousin that's gone to jail for transporting drugs.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah. No, everyone that lives along the border knows someone that's involved with the cartel. It's just, bro, it's every day life for us. I'll tell you like this, bro. I was driving up here with my camera guy, right? He lives in Mexicali. And because I know this, I asked him, hey, do you have any family members that are blah, blah, blah?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And his response was like, yes.

[B]

Foreign. Saved the best for last. Today we got Angel Fernandez came in from San Diego, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's home for you.

[A]

That's pretty much home, bro. I grew up in the Pearl Valley about an hour east. But both of them are like border cities, border towns. And I grew up just kind of playing on both sides, man, back and forth, you know, I'm kind of welcome. Have keys to both cities or both towns, bro. I feel safe and at home at both places.

[B]

That probably gives you good, like, perspective on life growing up in an environment like that, you know?

[A]

It does, man. A lot of interesting, interesting stories. A lot of family members, right. That experience different things. It's crazy living down there because like everyone has an uncle or a cousin that, you know, has done some stuff that they're not too proud of. Yeah, but it's like, it's like everyday life out there, brother.

[B]

Got to do what you got to do to survive, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[B]

You had to grow up pretty quick.

[A]

I had to grow up super quick, man. I had my first job when I was about nine years old.

[B]

That's young, dude.

[A]

Yeah, that's too young, bro.

[B]

Like, where were you working, your parents or.

[A]

I was working with my uncle, bro.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was working with my uncle and then I would work with, with his son, my cousin. My Cousin was about 16 at the time and he had a bunch of landscaping jobs, so he would take me with him. My dad left when I was around like 8 years old.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

So it made me grow up super quick, man. No Saturday morning cartoons for me when I started watching documentaries and I was watching Law and Order when I was like nine, bro.

[B]

Oh, my God. So you just had to be the man of the house at 9 then? That's elementary school.

[A]

Yeah, elementary. Now I look at 9 year olds.

[B]

And I'm like, yeah, now they're just glued to their phones and iPads and it's crazy, man.

[A]

I had to grow up too, too soon. But you know, on the flip side, bro, it made me Mature and be responsible at a very early age. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So by the time I was like 16, 17, I was making three grand, four grand a month. Like making more than my teachers.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Right. Looking at school like, what is this really about? At least for me, that was my experience. Right, Right. So, yeah, it made me grow up fast. Some people would call it negative childhood, but I just, I just kind of look at it like a big push, big push forward.

[B]

What were you doing to make 3k a month at 16?

[A]

I was selling jewelry, bro.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. So I was working at the local jewelry store and I was kind of like your top sales guy really quick.

[B]

So you were good at sales?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, since I was young, bro. So I was in high school, like teaching myself the sales bible. Like, I knew I wanted to go into business. Right. I knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur and I knew that you had to be good at sales. So that was something I like self educated myself on at a very young age.

[B]

Yeah. Because I feel like you could take that skill and just crush it.

[A]

Yeah. We needed at every point of a business, right?

[B]

Yeah. It's a huge part of this business. Of course, for sponsors, for guests, you.

[A]

Need to know how to, how to find employees. Right. Convince them of the, of the mission. Right. Sponsors, like you said, investors. Right. Just so many different ways for you to not sell, but communicate. Yeah, communicate clearly of why you can help someone. Like, which is basically what sales is for sure. It's helping someone understand.

[B]

So you start making money in high school, did you end up dropping out or did you finish?

[A]

I ended up dropping out.

[B]

High school or college?

[A]

High school. High school, yeah. No, I was 17. I played basketball. Right, okay. Talking about basketball before that.

[B]

Yeah. We're not started.

[A]

We're definitely playing basketball. And that's what kind of kept me around, bro. Basketball kept me around. Right after the season finish, I was done skis, bro. I was ready to work, start getting that money and kind of start grinding, bro.

[B]

Yeah. You wanted to get out of your house, kind of do your own thing?

[A]

Pretty much, bro. My mom needed a lot of help. The spot we were staying in was kind of small and I just, it made no sense for me to stay, bro. Yeah, I had to cut out and kind of experience life, you know, take on the big city by myself and figure it out, bro.

[B]

And I'm sure at that age you're, you're impressionable, you're getting guidance from certain people.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And you went astray. I know you talked about the shooting and got caught up in the wrong.

[A]

Thing for sure, man. So I was really, really young, bro. And I have some uncles on mom's side that aren't the best role models, so they started showing me a lot of gangster stuff. Really, really young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I think I was like six or seven years old, and I was already throwing gang signs.

[B]

No, six. That's like first kindergarten.

[A]

I didn't have like a gang life in my teenage years because for me, it started really, really early, bro. I remember moving schools when I was six years old, and the first thing I had to do at the new school was like, you know, basically kind of claim my set. So that was my, my first little experience at that school, bro. I was six years old, running around, getting jumped or fighting back. Right.

[B]

So you got in a lot of fights growing up?

[A]

Yeah, a lot of fights early, though, Right. So I had to grow up early. All the way through. I got into a lot of fights early. I won a lot of fights early, and then the fight stopped. I don't know why the fight stopped, Sean.

[B]

I mean, once you start winning, no one's going to start fighting you. You know, I've never been in a single fight, but really, I saw the kids that gotten a lot.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[B]

And they always seemed like they had something to prove.

[A]

Yeah, I had something to prove. You know, I. I kind of got that chip on my shoulder early. I got it kind of placed on me. So that, that was me my whole life, man. That's still me right now. Always ready to prove something to people around me. Right. Prove something to my community, prove something my family, prove something my friends. Like, that's just the way I think.

[B]

Yeah, same here. Like, I still feel like There's. My inspiration 10 years ago was to prove people wrong, that I can make it in business.

[A]

And.

[B]

And now that I've somewhat made it, it's gotten different. But I still feel like I have a chip on my shoulder.

[A]

I still have a chip. You know what? Last or two weeks ago, I was in New York and I was around some, some, you know, big guys too. Dudes selling their businesses for quarter billion or whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I thought the chip was off my shoulder till I got around them, bro. All of a sudden I just felt the chip on my shoulder again and I was like, yo, I feel like I have to prove something to these guys now.

[B]

That's the key, right?

[A]

My level of competition, bro. Like, I'm. I'm always engaged in it, right? Not. It's been like that since I started playing basketball. I look at the guy that's doing better than me, and I'm just ready to compete, brother.

[B]

Yeah, I'm the same way. I think you got to constantly be around people like that, though.

[A]

Yeah, you have to, because you get.

[B]

To certain levels, and then you got to keep going higher and higher.

[A]

You got to keep growing, bro. You got to keep evolving. Because at the end of the day, Sean, that's what life's really about, right? Yeah, it's about evolving, you know, yourself. It's about becoming a better version of yourself day in, day out.

[B]

Yeah. So you got past those influences. Now you're just crushing it. You met our boy Mike Baron over here.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And you two have been killing it.

[A]

Yeah. So I met Mike's top sales guy, his sales manager. Really? At the Louis Vuitton store.

[B]

I've seen the videos of that guy. Yeah, yeah. 100k months.

[A]

Yeah, 50. 100k months. Just another day in the hood for him. Right. So we were. I was actually at Gucci first, bro, and I heard some crazy engines, and I was paying at Gucci, and I told the guy at Gucci, that's a Lamborghini. I hear it. You know? He was like, nah, I don't think so. It's a Nissan. I was like, nah, bro, it's a Lambo. So I paid at Gucci, walked out, went to Louis, was in the store, buying my chick some stuff, and I turn around, and it's really Russo walking through the door, bro. So, you know, right away, we communicate, we lock in. We start kind of vibing with each other. There's not too many guys that look like us spinning bread at Louis Vuitton. So, you know, we started connecting, and he was like, man, you got to meet my boy Mike. And that's what brought me to Mike Baron.

[B]

And you had a skill that caught his attention, which was. Was the sales.

[A]

I guess so, man. I think it was just the vibe, bro. Yeah, it's just the vibe, bro. It was just high energy from them. High energy for me. That's just how I am, you know, I have a high energy set everywhere I go. Everyone's like, tone it down. But I don't like to tone it down, bro. I like to tone it in.

[B]

I like to be yourself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, exactly, bro. Exactly. So my. My dad's Cuban, bro. When I was super young, I didn't understand why I was so loud. I went to Cuba when I was, like, 25. Completely understood. So loud, bro. I was like, oh, that's why you're so positive, bro. That's why you're so fucking happy.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

Yeah. So I felt right at home, came back to the US and was like, yo, no one is turning this down anymore. You know, I'm gonna use this to my advantage.

[B]

I love that. Yeah, but you had a high income skill to give value to him, you know, because people get the opportunity to meet someone like Mike or someone they look up to, and then they can't provide value.

[A]

Yeah, no, for sure, man. That's. That's what I'm all about, bro. I'm all about building bridges and providing value for people. Like, you know, we just met. My brain's already like, how can I provide value?

[B]

I think I'm the same way. Like, that's just how I'm the same way. Because to get to the biggest people, you gotta play. Play that game.

[A]

Yeah. You serve people, bro. Continuously. You got to serve people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's not just the people that are doing better than you that you're serving, but you're continuously serving everyone. Even the people that work for you, you're serving. Right. If you have that mindset all the time, bro, you're just constantly attracting people to you.

[B]

I feel that. Yeah. It's almost like the opposite of being selfish.

[A]

Yes, of course it is, bro. It's the opposite of being selfish.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's why people get where they get, bro.

[B]

Yeah. I was, I would say when I started out, I was pretty, pretty selfish. I think maybe you have to be at first because you gotta like grind and figure it out on your own. But now as I've gotten bigger, I've. I've been more giving.

[A]

Yeah, you have to, but you have to be selfless. And that sacrifice that the people see in you, they start to duplicate it, bro. Then you have a army of selfless people just willing to give, you know, that's very inspiring to people. That's how you motivate people to do anything for you, bro.

[B]

Yeah. It's a good culture to be part of too.

[A]

100.

[B]

You don't want to be in a fear based leadership.

[A]

Not at all, bro. People will run from that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As soon as things get hard, people run.

[B]

They'll run, they'll talk, they'll quit easily. You know, that's how most environments are though. The workspace that I see.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, for me, bro, like most of my companies and people that work around me, I constantly have a line of people who want to work for me. Like I was on the way over.

[B]

That's a good problem.

[A]

I opened up my DMs and people were like, bro, I'm ready to do anything you. Anything you got. Anything you got. Anything you got. You know, like I constantly have people like that around me. You know, I like to lead by example. The people see that, the people around me are happy. I'm continuously evolving myself and I kind of demand that from them as well. I demand that selfless action from them as well. And you know, people look at it and people want to be a part of it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You got to create a movement. 100. You got tons of DMS every day. You do a lot of business in the dms, right?

[A]

I. I do, bro. That's my newest company. That's the newest play, bro. I'm sure you get tons of dms.

[B]

Yeah, I've probably generated. It's got to be in the millions because it's not even if it's not direct money, it leads to a deal. You know what I mean? We met through DMs, probably like half my guests came from DMS. And we've done business with so many.

[A]

DMS, though, that you probably don't have enough.

[B]

Oh my God, dude. I probably get like no cap. 500 a day because there's like three folders now. There's the request and then there's the hidden one.

[A]

Yeah. So that's. That's kind of my new play, bro. My new play is taking advantage of that hole in the game. I want to fill it with the right staff, with the right team. You know, I'm looking right now for about 15 people. I'm going to limit it to 15 people only. Right. But I want to build a strong DM sales team. I want to equip them with the skills they need to help people like you, bro.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's a, a big need for cuz guys get thousands of dms, right. I'm not even like the biggest guy, but there's so much lost opportunity. I bet in some of these inboxes.

[A]

Exactly. So that's what I want to help people with. People like you, bro.

[B]

Yeah. Because there's a. A lot of filtering needed too, because there's a lot of bs, obviously, but there are some big deals to be had.

[A]

Of course, man. It's the numbers game, right? So if you. A thousand dms, bro. Out of those thousand, we're gonna find some diamonds.

[B]

Yeah, dude. I've got some of my biggest sponsors.

[A]

From dms and it's crazy, right, Sean? It's like, exactly like you said, sponsors. Like, it's not just people looking to buy something from you. It's people looking to work with you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It could be somebody, like, just on the same level of you as you, or even a higher level, but that's just how they're communicating nowadays, Right? That's how they can touch you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's. That's what I want to take advantage of, bro. I kind of want to scoot, scrape the DMS and make the most of them for people like you, bro.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it worked for you, so you just have to replicate it for someone else, right?

[A]

Yeah. So I've been doing it for Mike Baron. It's been working out great.

[B]

Yeah, he crushes it. I don't know if he's talked about his numbers, but they are impressive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Publicly shout out to Mike Baron. That's the guy, man. Yeah. You got good people around you.

[A]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[B]

Using a. Any AI yet?

[A]

So I am. Funny thing is, bro, I just invested in the AI company about.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Months ago. Which one?

[A]

No, say N O S, C, E, which in Latin means knowledge, but in Spanish means no say it means I don't know.

[B]

Ain't that about oxymoron?

[A]

Exactly, bro. So it's no say. I invested in this company four months ago, bro, and, man, it's been running, bro. I have a little genius behind. His name is Dusty. Does a lot of, like, work I can't really talk about because of NDAs and stuff, but he's like a little tech whiz. We started the. The app idea, the AI idea, kind of as a cultural cognizant AI, Right? Like a lot of these AIs nowadays, it's like, hey, it's not cognizant. It's not cognizant. We kind of want to flip that and we want to make it cognizant. We want to just put it out there from the start. We want to feed it culture and make it cool for the young people. We want to create a brand around it. Right. But because my boy Dusty's so good at trading cryptocurrency, accidentally, he kind of started teaching it how to trade crypto, bro. So that's kind of our new AI. We'll be. We'll be launching that app in the next couple of months, bro. Man, I would love to tell you more about it once we get. Yeah, but yeah, man, the numbers are crazy. Crazy, crazy. Returns leveraging. Basically longs and shorts on bitcoin and Solana.

[B]

That's Smart man. AI has changed my life.

[A]

Yeah. No, AI is going to change everyone's life.

[B]

Yeah. It's.

[A]

You know how Elon's always talking about, like, in the future, no one's going to have to work. Yeah, bro. I did not believe that once I met Dusty and we started making money, I was like, bro, this is crazy. It's like, we're not going to have to work anymore. Like the amount of money I'm making, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not doing anything, just off some investments. It's crazy, bro.

[B]

Dude, I don't know if I like that. I love working dead ass.

[A]

Like, I'm not saying, you know, people don't love to work, but I mean, I could, I could see it, you know, like, you'll have freedom to do things you want to do. Like, for example, you, if you didn't have to work. Have you ever thought about this?

[B]

I have. What would you be doing if I didn't have to work? Here's the crazy thing. If you asked me that three years ago, I would say a completely different answer to what I was working on. But now with the podcast, dude, I would still do this.

[A]

Yeah. It would still be.

[B]

I'd meet the coolest people in the world, talking to people. I get to learn so much. Even if I made no money off this, I would do it.

[A]

Yeah. And you'd probably be doing a better job at it.

[B]

Probably. Yeah. If I was just chilling. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. 100%. What about playing basketball?

[B]

I would still do that. Basketball is life, baby.

[A]

More, more. Time for ball.

[B]

Yeah. I lose money playing basketball.

[A]

Like, what do you mean you lose money?

[B]

Well, if you calculate my hourly rate.

[A]

Got you.

[B]

When I play basketball for three hours, I'm losing like thousands of dollars.

[A]

So no one could. No one can take the fun, bro, the meditation from you.

[B]

For me, it's therapy, 100%. I'm not the guy that's fighting on court. I'm there to just de stress, you know, if I see a fight, I'm walking the other way.

[A]

Basketball is such a quick game that you have no time to think anything outside of the sport itself.

[B]

Facts. That's why players get lost when they're on the court.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

They'll be dealing with off court.

[A]

But in high school, that was kind of the thing that maybe kind of challenged me. Right. I didn't understand that. I had to leave emotion out the game because it's such an emotional game. Right. It moves so fast, people are pushing on you. It's such a fast paced game that if you Notice in the NBA, people get real emotional all the time.

[B]

They do.

[A]

They get mad. They push each other. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Rudy Gobert just fouled the out of someone the other night.

[A]

But some of the best ballers nowadays, they. They're, like, constantly meditating, bro. Like the Steph curries. Yeah, the KDs, right? They're just in there and they're just flowing, bro. Dude.

[B]

So this flow state, this isn't public yet, but I was on the phone with John Salley this morning on the way to the studio, and he was telling me how Victor Wembanyama, like, got to a new level. Dude, he was with the monks in China last year, meditating.

[A]

I believe it.

[B]

Because he was having some heart issues and he needed to get the energy flow in his body, right? Because tall people have a lot of health issues. And he fixed it through meditation, I believe. Isn't that crazy?

[A]

No, no, I. I totally believe it, bro. I started getting into yoga myself in my mid-20s to kind of help, you know, my anger issues. And that's kind of when I discovered that, bro. I was like, damn, man, if I would have had this as a teenager, yeah, like, I would have played the sport better. I would have played the game of high school better. Like, life would have just been better in general. That flow state, it would have been so reachable. It would something I would have been able to tap into at any moment.

[B]

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[A]

It's hardcore.

[B]

I was the only guy there. These girls were doing side planks for a minute straight. No issues. I'm, like, shaking.

[A]

I had a couple NFL players come in my classes, bro. And they. They couldn't hang, bro.

[B]

It's intense. And that was only an intermediate level. I can't even imagine, like, the advanced. But yoga's great. I had the opposite issue of you. So when I was a kid, I had confidence issues I didn't have. My parents got divorced. So instead of anger issues, I just lacked confidence. And when it came to basketball, I wouldn't play aggressive, even though I was the tallest one. And that hurt my game. It also hurt me with relationships, friendships, and everything.

[A]

That's crazy. I played too aggressive. You didn't play aggressive.

[B]

Oh, you play too. So you played it with a lot of anger.

[A]

Yeah, bro. Like, I was playing D. Like, I would pick up points, you know, I was playing point guard, and I would pick him up at half court, bro.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

I fucking picked up on half court. I would slam the fucking court.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

They would look at me like, oh, shit.

[B]

Damn. Damn. That's nuts. Yeah. I had the complete opposite issue. My mom's boyfriend had to start paying me for every point I scored just so I would play more aggressive. Yeah. I think was, like, five bucks every point.

[A]

So what was the most money you got paid?

[B]

I had, like, 25 or something. But I started scoring way more when that happened. Yeah, money talks.

[A]

I bet, bro.

[B]

$5 as a middle schooler.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a lot of money.

[A]

I bet Rod did that with my daughter when she was young, man. She was playing soccer at the time, and I was like, look, I'm gonna give you 50 bucks for each goal, bro. One game, she scored four.

[B]

Damn, that's a lot.

[A]

I was like, wait, we're gonna pull this back?

[B]

Yeah. Money is. It could be an interesting tool when used that way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, motivator.

[A]

For sure, man. It's a motivator.

[B]

Yeah, I. I like paying my employees based off their output.

[A]

Good.

[B]

So, like, some guys will make a lot of money because they're providing value. I don't like hourly, dude. I know. That's a hot take. And America has become very used to getting paid hourly. Yeah, I hate that.

[A]

Yeah. No, mediocrity is kind of like, sinking its teeth into the American culture right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To say it, bro, but it's kind of like a blame culture. And then, you know, everyone just kind of wants a participation trophy for not doing anything, you know? And I don't know, bro. I disagree with that. I'm against participation if it's my culture or what. It is, bro. But I feel like men, they're just not what they used to be, bro. Right. I feel like. Like women started working and kind of taking that manhood from a lot of the guys out here, bro. And I'm. I'm personally just not comfortable with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every time I see it, if it's a family member, if it's a friend, I. I definitely try to talk to him about it, man. Bro.

[B]

Yo. So the number one reason people woman cheat is workplace. Did you know that?

[A]

I believe it. 110.

[B]

Yeah. So I would never let my wife work around other people. Hell no, bro. I mean, I trust her. Don't get me wrong. But just. Why would you put her in that environment to begin with?

[A]

I would never put my lady in that environment, bro. 15 years, she's never been in that environment. I just. It's not that I don't necessarily trust her. Right. It's like I don't trust the guys around her.

[B]

Facts.

[A]

Right. And for a woman to constantly push back. I know women are really good at pushing back. Not as good as men at pushing back. Right. But I mean, she's gonna have days where she's not as strong. She's a woman, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. Women have to be cared for. Women have to be protected. That's what I was taught by my grandparents. And that's the way I think, bro. It's been working out, man. My oldest is at UC Berkeley.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

Right. My. My second oldest, he's the ASB president. His, like, school.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah. He just got accepted today to a couple Cal states. But we're. We're still hoping for ucsd. So, you know, the. The family structure is strong, bro. And that's. That's what I see as kind of sacrificed. Right. With this new culture of both parents working is. It gets kind of hard to. To have your kids kind of stay in line and kind of get pointed in the direction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. That's what it was for my mother. My mother had to work because my dad left at a young age.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And because she had to work. Well, basically I had free reins, man. I could do whatever the fuck I wanted.

[B]

She didn't hold you accountable?

[A]

She tried. She tried. But I was. I was a young, tough boy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And for me, it was kind of like, mom, I mean, you could try, but my grandpa said that you're just.

[B]

A Woman, I love that. So you are rebellious.

[A]

I was rebellious, bro, when I needed to be, right? That's. That's the way I processed it. So I was rebellious when I saw there was a need for it, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And in seeing my mom struggle at life, I didn't feel like she can really guide me in the direction that I needed to be guided in. And I felt like I can guide myself in a better direction than her, I feel. So I didn't do it out of bad intent. I did it out of intent to kind of create a better future for myself. So we, we got to a certain age, especially that, you know, late teenage stage where I started getting in some. Some heavy border life stuff, right? And at that point I knew, like, you know, she's not going to understand this. I'm gonna do what I have to do to get where I need to go.

[B]

Now, how crazy was the border growing up? Because, you know, I see stuff on the news about it, but I've never been there. Is it actually crazy?

[A]

It's crazy, man. It's crazy.

[B]

Like people are actually crossing and like.

[A]

Bro, everyone that lives along the border has an uncle or a cousin that's gone to jail for transporting drugs.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah. No, everyone that lives along the border knows someone that's involved, involved with the cartel. It's just, bro, it's every day life for us. I'll tell you like this, bro. I was driving up here with my camera guy, right? He lives in. In Mexicali. And because I know this, I asked him, hey, do you have any family members that are blah, blah, blah?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And his response was like, yes. Every time we go in Ensenada, I have a cousin. And whenever we go out to the club, it's one Suburban in the middle, one Jeep in the front, one Jeep in the back. The plaza is hot. The Plaza is what they call an area there in Mexico, right? So this is just like an everyday struggle for people that live around, around the border, bro.

[B]

Jeez. Damn. I love Ensenada. I've been there.

[A]

Yeah, Ensenada's beautiful, right? But if you're mixing the wrong things, it can become a very dangerous place.

[B]

Yeah, I must have got lucky. I was on a cruise and stopped in for an hour.

[A]

They're pretty respectful to tourists, bro. Tourists are pretty respectful for Mexico gets a lot of its money from tourism.

[B]

Yeah, so.

[A]

So they, they protect that. But yeah, man, Mexico's a heavy, heavy place, bro. What people don't know, bro, is that the Mexican government is pretty involved with.

[B]

Everything that happens, really.

[A]

100.

[B]

I've heard some stuff about them, Ron.

[A]

And Trump knows that, and the current administration knows that, and that's why they've been holding the government of Mexico so accountable lately.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Did you hear about the governor of Baja California getting her. Her visa taken away?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah, she got her visa.

[B]

The governor.

[A]

The governor of Baja California. Whoa. Got her visa revoked. I think they. They try to take the house that she was building, La Jolla, away from her. Just because the. The administration that's in right now, they're not playing those games, man.

[B]

There's a lot of corruption in Cali. Politics, man.

[A]

There is. And politics everywhere.

[B]

Yeah, well, everywhere but cali, dude.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

25 billion for homeless.

[A]

There's a lot of money in Cali.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, you know, corruption follows money, bro. Right? Everywhere. There's a lot of money.

[B]

Yeah. Cali's the fourth biggest economy in the. In the. In the world.

[A]

In the world.

[B]

Yeah. In the whole world, which is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. And Baja California also. Right. So California and BA California are. Are the two big powerhouses both sides of the border. Baja California is like the California of Mexico, really. That's where all the heavy tourism is, right? You got the Ensenadas, you got the Cabos, you got all these nice places where there's a lot of foreign investment. So they're like the crown jewels, bro. It's funny, as I was in Cabo, and it was so interesting to me. This is kind of out of the. The topic, right? But I was in Cabo and I was staying at this really nice place with these beautiful homes that overlook the ocean. And the gentleman that. That let me use his home was telling me that Governor Newsom was just there, like, a week ago, and that he stayed there for, like, two weeks.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I started thinking, wait, they just took the visa away from the governor of Baja California two weeks ago. What is Governor Newsom doing here? Right.

[B]

That's weird.

[A]

Too weird, right? I don't really believe so. I was like, yo, now I know kind of why Trump's playing the game he's playing. You know, I'm sure there's a big power group that's. That's working on both sides of the border because there's such big powerhouses, right? Kind of making their own place.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. There's levels to the game.

[A]

100.

[B]

Yeah. That's some 5D chess.

[A]

100, bro. That's exactly what I was thinking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're playing. They're playing.

[B]

Newsom's running for president in 28.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he might win.

[A]

Yeah, he might, dude.

[B]

He might win. Pendulum swing, which is crazy. He already up California and now he might be the president.

[A]

100.

[B]

I can't believe that. But yeah, you're right. The pendulum always swings.

[A]

Always swings, man.

[B]

Right now Trump's got the lowest approval ratings ever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and before he got elected, everyone was like super pumped.

[A]

But that's what happens, right? A president gets in, he never does what he says he was gonna do.

[B]

I don't think he can, to be honest. I mean, I think they all talk a big game.

[A]

They have to, bro. To get elected. Yeah, that's the name of the game, bro. They say one thing and once they get in there, it's a whole they can't do.

[B]

Kash Patel was talking so super highly before he got in.

[A]

He hasn't done absolute files or what's up with that?

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I don't think I'll. I don't think I'll ever fall for it again, honestly. Yeah, I was on the Trump bandwagon in 16 and probably in 24 a.

[A]

Little bit, but I, I wasn't, bro. I got let down by Obama, bro.

[B]

Really?

[A]

He won, bro. I, I think I got teary eyed, bro. Sorry. God, bro, I was like, my dad.

[B]

Fell for that one too, bro.

[A]

This didn't do. Got worse. I was like, bro, never.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think he can never again.

[A]

So when Trump was getting elected, I was like, yeah, I don't now. Let's see about that.

[B]

It's all an illusion.

[A]

Yeah, it's all an illusion.

[B]

My thing is, like, so many people think the government controls how much money they can make and everything and place a lot of importance on it, when in actuality you have so much control over that.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I know people that grew up homeless, like in the worst environments, and they're self made millionaires now. The government had nothing to do with that.

[A]

Yeah, responsibility, bro. Responsibility is the ability to respond. Right. And responsibility, bro, is something that a lot of people just, you don't want to take. Especially now in this culture that we have. Right. Where people want participation trophies and they always want to put the blame on someone else. Yeah. But never that, bro. The blame's always on yourself. Once you start putting on yourself. Well, that's maturity, dude.

[B]

Even when I get scammed, I blame myself. Yeah.

[A]

100, bro, that's you.

[B]

Yeah. No, I have to because I made the decision to work with that person. So it's my fault.

[A]

100.

[B]

I didn't do the right vetting for the deal and most people would just blame that person then live with that resentment.

[A]

Yeah. Sean, what about you? How, how long have you been doing podcasts, bro?

[B]

It's been three years, bro. 2,000 episodes. I'm going for the world record next year. We're going to be filming in Dubai, all over the world. Cuz I've. I've crushed the US I just made my new Dream 300 list for next year's guests. I'm going to get all those guys on the show, bro. I'm big on manifestation.

[A]

Nice, bro. I saw you had the, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch on here.

[B]

Yeah. Brandon Fugal, billionaire. I've had on probably 10 billionaires and definitely want to keep interviewing them because.

[A]

An interesting guy, bro.

[B]

Dude, super interesting. His story's nuts.

[A]

Yeah, he's. He's an interesting fel man.

[B]

Yeah, it's cool to humanize billionaires also.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because a lot of people, humans, bro. Yeah. A lot of people don't humanize celebrities and billionaires though. They just think they're like on another level, brother.

[A]

Hard working people who sacrificed a lot to get where, where they're at, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And those sacrifices are very selfless in nature, you know. So it's funny to me when people call them super selfish people, you know, like they don't understand these, these people, they sacrifice so much to get where they're going to get, right? And they look at people like Elon Musk and they're like, wait, he has all this money? If he just gave his money away. But dude lives like the most Aust ever. Yeah.

[B]

He's a minimalist.

[A]

He's like living in a little tiny home, bro. Yeah.

[B]

He owns no last.

[A]

Like it's crazy. People just don't get it, bro. People don't get it. You know? What it takes is selfless actions, bro. And that's what people don't really want to admit to themselves.

[B]

Yeah, I, I hate seeing that. It's like if you gave away 5,000 to everyone, you would end world hunger 100. It doesn't work like that. Money doesn't fix the problem.

[A]

It doesn't, bro. It doesn't.

[B]

It's the mindset.

[A]

It's the mindset.

[B]

You could give money away to all the bottom people. It would funnel back to the top.

[A]

They wouldn't know what to do with it. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then when they spend it on the wrong things, they're going to put the blame on someone else.

[B]

Yep. Yeah, it's, it's not a Money issue. That's why I look at lottery winners. I think 80% of them go broke within five, 10 years.

[A]

Yeah, 100% because they didn't have to work for it, bro.

[B]

Yeah, I lost all my. So I've lost my money twice because I just wasn't mature enough to handle it.

[A]

So you made a lot of money young.

[B]

I became a millionaire at 23, I believe. Lost it all, brother. And then became a Deca millionaire three years ago.

[A]

Nice. Yeah, I didn't become a millionaire until I was around 33, bro. 33.

[B]

But it was harder back in your day, before the Internet.

[A]

It was just. It was a long road for me, bro. Coming where I come from. Right. So I grew up in this small little town it's called In Pearl Valley. And in this small, little dusty town, there's a dusty, dusty little town called Sealy. It's like 300 people.

[B]

That's where you go.

[A]

I grew up in this town where I grew up on a little trailer in this town, literally, with no opportunity. The only employment there is, like, working at the store. There was one store in the whole town.

[B]

Talk about humble beginnings.

[A]

Super humble beginnings, bro. We didn't even have concrete outside of our trailer, bro.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah, bro. When it rained, we used to have to wear little grocery bags around our shoes.

[B]

What? Dude.

[A]

So, yeah, no. No family.

[B]

No car.

[A]

No. No car. No, no. No millionaires in the family. No one really successful, bro. Like, talk about coming from the dirt. Like, it was literally the dirt, like dust storms all the time. Right. And I had to. I had to find a way out, bro. I had to find a way out. And it wasn't easy. It was. It was definitely earned. There was a lot of nights where, I mean, you know what it takes, bro, to be a millionaire. A lot of nights where there's self doubt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You just got to keep pushing forward. You got to keep the faith in what you're doing right. In the future. You got to do it for your future self. And, you know, little by little, a lot of twists and turns, but, you know, we finally got there, bro. And it was. It was a great accomplishment, not just for myself, but as a motivating factor for. For my family, my friends brought to let him see that. That anything's possible.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

On Small Podcast actually yesterday, and they were telling me the same thing. They're like, angel, man, you motivate us so much coming from where we come from, dude.

[B]

That's sick.

[A]

For someone like you, you know, high school dropout to to make it so big and now to be helping so many other peoples and creating a path for others to, to become successful, bro. Like, we're so proud of you. And it was so humbling, bro.

[B]

Yeah. And you did it at a time where it was not the normal route too.

[A]

I don't know. There it wasn't at all, bro. And the Internet was barely starting, bro.

[B]

Yeah. It was a lot harder to become a millionaire back then. 100%, way harder.

[A]

Yeah. And then place yourself in an environment where, you know, there's no, no bridge to, to get there. Right. I didn't go to college. I didn't make the right connections like those, those connections were, were hard to come by, bro. But I think that's also why I don't burn any bridges. Right? So that, that practice of having to build these bridges and not having them set for me just kind of made me appreciate every single bridge I had, bro. And it made me just kind of like, you know, turn into this very honest person and this very fair person where when I work with people, I just keep it really, really fair.

[B]

You value it 100%.

[A]

110%.

[B]

Yeah. You don't take it for granted.

[A]

The more bridges you build, the more places you can get to.

[B]

Yeah. And I see the opposite with people that grow up in money.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They don't value relationships as much, bro.

[A]

Because they have money. Yeah, they have money.

[B]

You know, they could just buy new relationships.

[A]

They could just kind of fuck people over.

[B]

They say money cycles every three generations.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So it'll be a problem for our grandkids.

[A]

Yes, yes. If you, if you don't structure it the right way, it definitely will be a problem for, for the grandkids.

[B]

Yeah. I look at my grandparents, man. They grew up similar to you in like a village in China, like dirt poor. And then my mom used education system to escape it. Went to the best university in, in China and then. But now I feel like that doesn't work anymore as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like going to College and getting 9 to 5 and becoming a millionaire.

[A]

Well, college. College isn't what it. What it used to be. Right. You know, my oldest is at UC Berkeley, bro. But I tell her all the time, like, you know, that's not a guarantee. You know, it's partly a scam. If you let it be a scam.

[B]

Right, AI is going to replace it.

[A]

Look, it's not a scam. Let's just say it's overpriced. Right.

[B]

Way overpriced.

[A]

Way overpriced for what? They're offering you.

[B]

The learning pace is slow, that you.

[A]

Don'T really need nowadays, right? You have AI, you have the Internet. You have all these people on social media making all this money, bro. They don't teach you any of that college, you know, they teach you skills that you don't really need in the workplace anymore, bro. So, you know, the education games definitely changed. And I think that's why there's so many people online selling education. Right? You can learn how to do this or do that for 5, 10,000, $15,000. And you can use that skill set. Right away, the trades kind of changed. You know, I remember back in the day, they had like, DeVry or they had different universities. You can go and learn a trade and cost you 10, 15,000 and you start working. Well, you know, the Internet is kind of like that now.

[B]

Yeah, now trade jobs are back, actually.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because AI is replacing a lot of digital jobs.

[A]

100%.

[B]

My mom's dating a lawyer. He said he doesn't need a paralegal anymore. He doesn't need one because he could just use AI 100, bro.

[A]

We have a business, and I was on a call on the way up here, actually, and we're having problems with this landlord, right? Yeah, it's like, you know, older.

[B]

You invested in a property.

[A]

This property we lease. So this business I have, we. We lease a property. It's cannabis business. A dispensary out in northern San Diego, North County. And this lawyer, he's won like 100 million litigation and we just happen to be leasing from. So he's super hard to deal with. Right. And he's made our life very difficult to get, you know, just different things taken care of. And my partner, he placed the lease into the AI software today, and he came up with all these ways to get out of the lease.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. That's brilliant.

[A]

We have two attorneys, right? We have two attorneys we regularly deal with. One of them is super accomplished in the East Coast. He works for the Ritz Carlton. He didn't even see this in the. In the lease, bro. Exactly, bro. So AI is like, on a whole level.

[B]

One of my guests just went up against six of the top attorneys in the country. His name's Billy Carson and.

[A]

Oh, I know Billy.

[B]

Oh, you know Billy.

[A]

Billy's pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Billy. He's been on like four times, but he said he got everything he wanted. All with AI, bro. He went up and represented himself against 6.

[A]

Why? Why can I see Billy doing that, bro? He's that Guy, right, that gets locked up. He's like, I'm gonna represent myself, judge, like, what the.

[B]

Billy Carson's him. But what I'm saying is that's the future, bro.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, AI will be better than lawyers. It'll be better than surgeons. There's going to be surgeries that you get in the future with AI. Like micro robots.

[A]

Yeah. 100%, bro.

[B]

It's. It's common, man. And that's why, as a podcaster, I'm staying sharp. Because we're going to be next to, bro.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Actually, I don't know.

[A]

On the chopping block, bro, because, like.

[B]

Personal brand, I feel like, will withstand AI.

[A]

I feel like entrepreneurship, Right. Like, AI is cool. AI is. You know it. But, like, in entrepreneurship, there's a lot of nuts and bolts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That you have to do yourself. And as long as the AI isn't inside of this super fluid robot that can move around our 3D space, it's gonna be kind of hard for. For AI to get into the entrepreneurial world.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

It could be a tool for entrepreneurs. Right? But creating. Creating things, you know, having these. These ideas, being able to live in this 3D space and then seeing these holes, it takes a whole nother level of, like, sensitivity, bro.

[B]

No, I agree. Because entrepreneurship, dude, it's a very spiritual journey. I don't know if that's teachable to an AI.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

Like, you, like, question your life going down this path. For real? For real?

[A]

Yeah. No. 100%.

[B]

I've had moments at night where I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

[A]

Why am I doing this? Yeah. 100%, man. And it's just, you know, it's such a journey. It's such an emotional thing. It's, it's, you know, so, so, so hard. It's so hard to do. You're. You're working things yourself at the beginning, right? When you're building business hours a day, you're doing everything. I mean, AI can't, you know, set up a fucking camera. AI can't set up a fucking table yet. Right. AI can't, like, get on and do its own marketing yet. It can't do all these things together, bro. And that's why I think entrepreneurship is gonna be, like, one of the last things to go.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

100.

[B]

Yeah. Hold on. Strong man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's a tough lifestyle, though. Like, what do you. When people ask you if they should become entrepreneurs, what do you usually say? Because I actually am very real with them.

[A]

Yeah. I Tell them that. It's a very, very hard thing, bro. You know, I tell them, you know, they're ready to struggle for five to 10 years, then, you know, go ahead and go. But I, you know, just like you, I'm very real with them.

[B]

Yeah. Because it get similar. It gets glamorized on social media.

[A]

Yeah, it gets. It gets glam. Super glamorous.

[B]

Like we're like celebrities now. 100% entrepreneur.

[A]

Yeah. No, that's why I'm here, baby.

[B]

Yeah. Which part I don't like, honestly, because it's false reality.

[A]

Yeah, it is false reality.

[B]

I made like Nothing the first 5 years. Like maybe 50k a year. I think I paid myself 3 years in 50k.

[A]

I think I lost money for the first few years.

[B]

Yeah. I'm saying I made Nothing the first three years. Nothing. Working 18 hours a day. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So are you willing to do that?

[A]

Right. And you question yourself and you cry and the people around you question you. That's hard.

[B]

I lost all my friends.

[A]

That's the hard part.

[B]

I got no girls.

[A]

That's the hard part. When the. When the tribe turns around and tells you, I told you so.

[B]

Yeah, that's what kept me going at first, for sure. But yeah, my physical health was shit because I sacrificed everything. You know, talk about sacrifice earlier, I gave it all up. Sometimes I wonder if it was worth it.

[A]

Was it?

[B]

I think it was, but I would say for most people, probably not.

[A]

Dude, I feel like as an entrepreneur, you have to have a very high tolerance for. For pain, for risk and for pain.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Because it hurts so much at the beginning, bro. And if you can't handle that. That pain, then you're not going to withstand the time it takes.

[B]

Yeah, right. Yeah. I lost my best friend, dude. Like, my prom date. This. I thought I'd be with this girl for life, like in a friendship type of way, like a soulmate type of way.

[A]

I believe it, man.

[B]

Bro up everything.

[A]

Yeah, no, I believe it, bro. It's. It's. It's a long journey. It's a painful journey. So. Yeah, I definitely tell people that, bro. Like, if you want to be an entrepreneur, get ready for pain, man. Get ready for long days, you know, Get. Get ready to be broke for a long time. But with entrepreneurship, what, you know, a lot of people don't understand, especially when they quit. Right. A lot of entrepreneurs quit before the. The reward comes, before the. The fruit is.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Is given. And they don't see, like, the invisible energy that's being built up when you're an entrepreneur, right. There's like this invisible energy that you're building up, and you're building up this ball, and little by little, it's getting bigger. Right. And it doesn't transcend to our 3D space and become money until, like, way later.

[B]

Yeah. It's like planting a seed.

[A]

Exactly. It's like planting a seed that you can't see. See, really? Right. You can't see it, and you can't see the tree growing. Then all of a sudden, it's like, boom, your fruit. And you're like, oh, right, right. When you're ready to give up, the fruit starts coming out.

[B]

You're so right, though, because my first business, I sold jerseys. I don't know if you knew that, but I didn't. Yeah, I made custom jerseys.

[A]

Oh, cool.

[B]

And I made so many relationships 10 years ago in that business, and I'm still using those today. So it's all like a. An accumulation.

[A]

Yes. With so many. With so many twists and turns, bro. 100, man.

[B]

But as long as you do really good business, you know, people don't forget. And you can call on those relationships in the future.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's how I was able to get guests on the show.

[A]

And then all of a sudden, it's like the people start coming across you, right? Like, all of a sudden, the universe just starts feeding you, bro.

[B]

Yeah, right?

[A]

You start doing good. You start doing good, and the universe just starts feeding you, like, all right, cool, man. You're doing good. Here you go. Do something with it. Do something with it. Do something with it. Right? And every single time, there's also, like, you know, there's like, little pulls on you for you to not make the right choice, right? To. To not be honorable, to not have that integrity, bro. But as long as you can keep those qualities up, bro, you keep getting fed, bro.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Yeah. It's not an easy journey. It's not for everyone. But it's. If I could do it all over again, I'd do it again, bro.

[B]

Same, same. Why do you think most people are broke today? In 20? How to be 20, 26?

[A]

Most people are broke, cuz they're weak, bro. Like, straight up, bro. Like, I'm just going to be straight up with you, bro.

[B]

I'm not even going to, like, mentally they're weak.

[A]

They're just, like, spiritually weak. Like, their spirit is fucking weak, bro. Their spirit is weak and they don't want to feed it, right? They don't want to. They don't want to be responsible for it. And their spirit is just fucking weak, bro. They don't want to do anything to feed that shit, you know, like, there's so much out there that you can feed it with, right? Like, you can grab the Bible and feed it. You can, you can grab a motivational video and feed it. There's. There's so many books out there you can feed yourself with. But people just don't want to take that responsibility, right? They want to point out the government, they want to point out Elon Musk or the millionaires or the billionaires, and they don't want to be responsible for themselves, man.

[B]

I mean, straight the up, nice, dude. 96 of people finance their Black Friday purchases in America. Isn't that crazy?

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

They didn't have the money to afford gifts for Christmas.

[A]

That's sad, man.

[B]

For holidays.

[A]

Yeah, but they're still out there buying.

[B]

Yeah, they're still buying because they don't mind being in debt. But that was never me.

[A]

Not me either, man.

[B]

Hell no.

[A]

Well, that's, that's the difference between, you know, slaves and people who want to get out of that, bro. Yeah, people who want to break the chains off, bro. So people like you and I, we. We broke the chains, bro. We broke the chains. You know, we're no longer controlled by the slave master. We. We're our own slave right now. We're doing things for ourselves, bro. And to me, that's what, what being a boss is all about, bro. You know, people think when I, when I say, man, you got to be a boss, that means you have to own your own company. Like, no, at the end of the day, you just have to be able to motivate yourself, man. Feed yourself spiritually, bro. Like, don't look for someone else to do it for you, bro. Don't go to church and look for that to feed you. Like, feed yourself, bro. God is everywhere, bro. You know, God is everywhere. Feed yourself. Look for it continuously. Try to, try to learn from it. Learn from the game, learn from life, universe, whatever you call it, bro. And you're going to see it. You know, you're going to learn. You're going to constantly evolve. You're going to become a better version of yourself.

[B]

Yeah, you've been a believer in God for a while.

[A]

I've been a believer in something bigger than I for, for a while, bro. So I wouldn't say it's like, you know, the common thread of God, right? The one they tell us about at church. I, I Think God, bro, can never be defined by a human being. Right? Like God cannot be defined by a human being. And if it can, that's probably not the real God. That's just a humanized God that we've created, bro.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean, think of it. We're humans, bro. How many humans is there on Earth?

[B]

What, 9 billion now or something crazy.

[A]

All right, cool. That they're on Earth, Right. And how many planets is there in our galaxy?

[B]

Probably millions.

[A]

How many galaxies are in our universe?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It goes for us to say that we can understand or know God. Like, I mean, maybe we can build some sort of relationship with trying to understand it, but that's about it, bro. Yeah, you know, that's about it. We have to be humble in who we are and what we know, bro.

[B]

We'll know on judgment Day.

[A]

Exactly, man. Exactly, bro.

[B]

You've had a couple near death experiences, right?

[A]

I have.

[B]

I've had. I've had two. Really? Really shapes you.

[A]

Yeah, it really shapes you to really kind of gives you an experience afterwards, right? Shifts your perspective.

[B]

Yeah, no, I just had one like three months ago.

[A]

Really?

[B]

And I was like, wow, I'm not ready, dude. I don't know. Like, I just got this sharp pain, like I couldn't move. I was shaking. Something like health related. I got like MRI and blood work after. I think it was just like something I ate. Yeah, but it was bad. I was literally like sending goodbye messages over text to people.

[A]

What was crazy, man, is every time I've had one, I'm like, I'm ready.

[B]

Really? Wow. Total opposite for me. I was like, my girl's gonna be alone. Like, I. I don't. I feel like I haven't left her enough yet.

[A]

I feel like my faith, bro, and. And you know, whatever it is that's. That's kind of doing. Everything here, bro, is so big that I just, you know, I stopped trying.

[B]

To take control of it.

[A]

I've just accepted and I've accepted that this living entity or living thing or living organism, whatever it is, it's the Earth, the universe, God, whatever you want to call it, is going to kind of guide everyone in their own way to evolve and grow, bro. So if I'm not around at the end of the day, like, my child's gonna be okay, bro.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

It's gonna be. My children are gonna be on their own journey, bro. At the end of the day.

[B]

You think they'll be good without you?

[A]

I think they'll be okay without me, bro. Wow. They got me inside of Them, bro.

[B]

Dude, that's deep, bro.

[A]

It's. It's real, bro.

[B]

You're at peace with that?

[A]

I'm at peace with death, bro. I'm at peace with life. I'm at peace with death, bro.

[B]

Was that a recent thing or always?

[A]

I think that, I think I got to a certain age, bro. I got to a certain age right, in my late 20s, bro, where, you know, I, I just started having a better relationship with, with myself and with life in general. And I just, I just accepted everything, bro. The good, the bad, the pain, the joy, right? The pleasures that come along with, with anything, right? And the hard days that come along with stuff. Stuff. And you know, I guess people call it stoic. I don't know if it's stoic or not, right? Marcus Aurelius. Yeah, I guess you can call it stoic, bro, but I, I just see it as like an experience, right? We're all here to have an experience, brother. Yeah, we're all here to have an experience. And all that is part of the experience, right? So I just appreciate that I'm able to have this experience.

[B]

Respect.

[A]

That's it, bro. When it's time to go, it's. It's time to go and have the next experience.

[B]

I feel that. No, I really do. The good and the bad. I, I definitely agree with that. I think everything happens for a reason.

[A]

And I don't think it, I don't think it all stops, you know, I don't think it all.

[B]

You don't think it's just lights out?

[A]

I, I wish it would be, bro, but I just, I mean that, that would be a lot of mercy, right? If it was just like life.

[B]

Easy, cuz it wouldn't reward or punish you for the life you lived. Yeah, it'd be like everyone has the same conclusion.

[A]

Yeah, no, it'd be easy, bro, but I think this whole evolution and this whole game that, that we're playing while we're here, right, of responsibility, self growth, becoming better than who you were, having this relationship with, something bigger than you, it's just going to transcend into the next level, bro.

[B]

Look, it's just. I know it's my opinion. I've interviewed a lot of people that have had near death experiences. The most leading experts in this space. I do believe there is an afterlife based off hundreds of people I've talked to about this. The most world renowned psychics and spiritual teachers.

[A]

Yeah. So I don't believe it.

[B]

Like, I mean, no one will know for sure.

[A]

No, I know it. You think like I just know it, bro.

[B]

In an afterlife or.

[A]

I just know it. I just know there's something next, bro. 110, bro. Something.

[B]

You got an old soul. You're wise.

[A]

I don't know, brother, but I just. I just know it, bro. I just know it.

[B]

I think there's something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know? Yeah. I truly think there's.

[A]

I think part of. Part of the trouble people have, right, is like, they want to know what's next. Right. And if they don't know, if they're not at peace with themselves. Like, you don't know what's gonna happen next week, bro. You don't know what's gonna happen next month, next year, you know? Like, you have to be at peace with whatever happens. It's part of the fucking journey, bro. So whatever it is that's next, it's just part of the journey, bro. Like, be happy you're experiencing it. Right? Be happy you're here. Be happy you're present and be here, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't be on the next step. Like, be here.

[B]

The present is important. It's something I've. I used to live in the past when I was younger.

[A]

Yes. You're probably depressed.

[B]

Yeah. Always thought about the past. Depressed and terrible anxiety. I was.

[A]

When you're thinking about the future.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then I shifted towards that. Then when I was starting into entrepreneurship, I constantly thought about the future and if I'm going to be able to.

[A]

Pull this off, 100%.

[B]

And now I would say I'm more present.

[A]

Good, bro.

[B]

Like, when I'm on an interview, I'm only thinking about that interview, you know.

[A]

Bro, the future exists only in your brain, and so does pass, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. So you're here right now, bro. Only the present moment is the one. That's true.

[B]

Yeah. So I don't. I used to really dwell on both.

[A]

And it's a dangerous mind.

[B]

Yeah. Dangerous spot to be in.

[A]

100%, bro. It's a very not peaceful spot to be.

[B]

Not at all. And it came back when Charlie Kirk got killed. It kind of came back a little bit, like living in the past. But I got to just.

[A]

Did you know Charlie?

[B]

Yeah, he's been on the show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm filming at his event next week. So that was just like, holy shit. That. That easily could have been me or, like, someone I'm close with.

[A]

I was a tough dude, man. I was a tough soul, man.

[B]

Yeah. Rip.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That one mess you up at all.

[A]

I'm sure Charlie's okay, bro. He. He died doing what he believed in, right? He. He died, like, he died on the cross, bro. He died on the cross, bro. He. He died doing what he believes in, bro. To me, that's. That's an honor, bro. Like, to me, it's a honor, bro.

[B]

Yeah. He was doing what he loved.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can't deny that.

[A]

To me, it's an honor, bro. It's an honor to die doing what you love and giving your life up for something you. You believe in, bro. There's a very, very honorable thing, bro, that. That happens when. When you do that kind of stuff, be it here in the next life, you know, that's. That's such a great example for. For, you know, everyone that comes behind them, bro. Or for other people that need to find their purpose or fight for their purpose, bro.

[B]

Yeah. It teaches me not to take life for granted, because as we get older, we know pretty much every year, like, someone we're close with or friends with is dying. Like, that's just the reality of it. You know?

[A]

I look at my mom, and I'm.

[B]

Like, all right, I'm seeing grays on 15.

[A]

Christmas, 18. Christmas. How many Christmas do I have left? You know, Counting down. I'm trying to. I'm trying to take advantage of every single one, brother.

[B]

Same.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, it's sad, but that's just what it is. And I don't know if being numb to death is the right word, but you kind of get used to it, dude. Yeah, it's weird.

[A]

Yeah, well, it's. It's the only shirt thing, brother.

[B]

It's the only shirt, Father Tom.

[A]

That's it, bro. Taxes aren't even so sure, bro. Look at Trump, right? He's old. Trump's good. Trump's getting rid of the irs, right? There's all this.

[B]

Please do not please.

[A]

Some people. Some people don't pay taxes. Some people, you know, do what they do. But, yeah, brother, like, the only sure thing is death, bro. So if we're here to have this experience, bro, and the only sure thing is death, bro.

[B]

Like, that's why I don't hold resentment.

[A]

Why are you gonna be fearful of that, bro?

[B]

No, I don't. I don't do that anymore. I used to. Ate at me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I don't do it anymore. I encourage you to do the same. If you're listening.

[A]

Yeah, I know. If you're listening. Don't do that. Don't do that. Live what you're living right now. Make the most of life, you know, Chase your dreams, you know, do what you want to Do. Because life is short, man. This ride is short. And at the end of it, I asked my grandpa, actually, on his deathbed, bro, I asked him, gramps, of everything you did. He did a lot of up, you know, like. Or at least some people would call it up. What do you regret doing? Do you regret doing anything? And he looked at me. He was in his deathbed probably like seven days before he died and looked at me. He's like, the only thing I regret are the things I didn't do.

[B]

Whoa, that's deep. That's super deep. I love that, though, because I hear similar stories from people dying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're like, I wish I did that job. Or I wish I dated that person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or asked that person out. Rekindled a friendship there.

[A]

Don't hesitate. Masking for the fences constantly, you know, try to progress and do things you haven't done. Take those fucking risk, bro. Take those risks. Learn those skills. Like, do everything you want to do. Because this should have short, bro. This should have short, bro.

[B]

Never know.

[A]

This shit is short. You never know, bro. Yeah.

[B]

Where'd your anger come from? You mentioned as a kid you had anger with it.

[A]

So my, My anger and my resentment, brother. At first I thought it was because my dad left, right? But then I grew up and I met my mother, who she truly was, right? And I met my father from one adult to another. And I, I think it's something kind of embedded deep down within us, bro. But for sure, you know, at a, at a point, I was angry at. At the world I was angry at. And I guess in that time when God was more simple for me, I could say I was angry at God, right? I was angry at my father. I, I, man, bro. Like, I constantly went to bed hungry, bro.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Hungry, bro. Like, hungry.

[B]

Physically hungry.

[A]

Hungry? Yeah, like, hungry. Like, my mom was on. On public assistance for a while. Like, my dad was a good provider while he was there. They had a crazy breakup. He wasn't there. Mom had to start working. She went on welfare. Still wasn't enough, bro. So we would go to bed hungry, bro. And I remember her going to bed hungry and giving us some of her food, bro, so that me and my brother can eat a little bit more because we're growing boys, bro. But it was just. It wasn't enough, bro. So that's part of where my anger came from, bro.

[B]

So you were angry at the world?

[A]

I was angry at the world, bro. I was angry at the world, and I was constantly taking it out in the world.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. I was doing that till I was about in high school, bro.

[B]

And then how did you rechannel that into something more positive?

[A]

Well, what's funny is, is I found cannabis, brother.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I found cannabis at 18 years of age, and that's actually the industry I made my first million in, bro.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. In the cannabis industry. I found cannabis at 18 years of age, brother. And it really helped me relax, it helped me sleep better, and it helped me kind of see myself and how angry I was. So in seeing myself, right? Giving me this third perspective to see myself, I was able to see how it was affecting my relationship with people. Like, I was a lot to be around, bro. You know, I was always had a chip on my shoulder, but I was also really angry, right. I had this really strong personality. And you start adding anger to that, bro. Yeah, you start to become a danger. Yeah, right. And people around you kind of see that, and they're like, hey, man, let's stay away from this guy because he's dangerous. Right? So I started seeing that. And, you know, with cannabis, I started also noticing that something I had to change, bro. So little by little, I started chipping away at it, brother.

[B]

Cannabis, I have a love hate with. Yeah, I.

[A]

A lot of people do.

[B]

Yeah. I used to love it. Smoked every day, was a huge stoner in high school, college, and then I had, like, a weird panic attack on it. So now every time I get high, I get so paranoid. It's so nuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, complete opposite to you, where it relaxes you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's very fascinating to me how cannabis can affect people differently.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

For me, I get super paranoid.

[A]

It's such a complex plant, bro. It's actually the most evolved plant on planet Earth. It's been evolving with humans because we've been kind of tinkering with it, right? And humans have been using it for a long time and have been growing it for a long time. So it's evolved a lot, bro. And there's so many different aspects to the cannabis plant. You have so many different hybrid variations everywhere, and they all have different effects. So it's definitely a long journey for people to figure out how cannabis can help them. And it's kind of an ongoing journey. Like me myself right now, brother. I just use cannabis gummies to sleep.

[B]

And I. Edibles fuck me up.

[A]

I only use them to sleep.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Like, literally, bro. I get to bed, I grab my gummy, I eat it, and I'm able to go to sleep.

[B]

Is it mainly CBD in it?

[A]

Cbn.

[B]

Oh, cbn. Yeah.

[A]

Cbn. Yeah. So THC Indica, full spectrum. Usually a rosin gummy infused with cbn. And I'm able to go to sleep, bro, and wake up in a good mood.

[B]

Yeah, CBN is good for sleep.

[A]

100, bro. Otherwise I'm the kind of person that's like tossing and turning to about sunlight, bro.

[B]

You got insomnia in the morning. Is your brain racing your mind?

[A]

All my best ideas come at dark, bro.

[B]

Yeah, that used to be me, too.

[A]

Yeah. So all my best ideas come when the world just kind of shuts off. That's when I really start thinking. Right. And you start getting this. This stream of consciousness and you just kind of want to start writing everything down and you want to start playing with it. So, you know, with cannabis, I was able to turn that stream of consciousness down at nighttime and kind of go to sleep with the rest of the world and wake up in the morning and participate with everyone else. Right.

[B]

That's dope. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I think. Would you say the industry's peaked? Cause I know there's a transition to mushrooms now and other stuff.

[A]

The cannabis industry, I wouldn't say it's peaked everywhere. I would say it's evolving right now. There's a lot of states where. Where the industry has kind of plateaued, maybe. Yeah, right. As far as, like, revenue. As far as far as, like, you know, stores that can be built, consumers that can be. That can be brought into the stores. But there's so many different states that haven't legalized yet. Right. States like Texas, big states with a lot of money.

[B]

Texas will.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure Texas will. Damn, bro. Everywhere will that be nuts?

[B]

Because they're like, the strictest.

[A]

It will, bro. Bible belt of California, that's where I grew up in, like, I grew up in an environment where people, like, still go to church on Sundays. And, you know, everyone closes their stores early on Sundays.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know, that place is where I have one of my cannabis stores now. Yeah. So basically everywhere in the. In the country, bro, it's going to be legalized pretty soon. I think if Trump doesn't do it, which I think he might, brother, he.

[B]

Should do it on his way out.

[A]

I think he's pretty young, he's pretty hip to game. Right. He's in the crypto game. He. He understands that the Republican Party kind of needs the young voters to get behind it, and he's kind of been making moves to make that happen. Right. To people like you, to kind of think like, hey, man, this is something I can get behind.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think that Trump is definitely going to legalize before his way out. I think that he has to. And the reason why is because if he doesn't, who's coming behind him? Gavin Newsom.

[B]

Who's. Is he against it or.

[A]

Bro, he's the person who pushed cannabis forward in California.

[B]

Oh, so he's for it.

[A]

Oh, he's from the Bay Area.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So you think he's going to leave that play for Newsom? Like, I don't think so, bro.

[B]

Yeah, he doesn't like Newsom.

[A]

Nah, nah. Trump is. Trump is smart, bro. I think that they're going to legalize cannabis, if not this year, this following year, and I think before the end of the year, it's going to be legal. If you. If. Do you follow stocks or no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, cool. So you've been seeing, like, the stocks kind of going up and going down. They've been having these peaks, bro. They've been having these peaks, and I. I can kind of see stock and the way it's been, it's been moving up and down where, you know, there's different conversations going on behind curtains, and a lot of these conversations are moving in a positive direction. Yeah. I mean, freedom is always good, bro. Freedom to do what you want as a human being is always, always good, bro.

[B]

Yeah. It was very demonized cannabis in Jersey where I grew up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, parents hated their kids smoking it, but I think the narrative's changing.

[A]

And now Jersey's completely.

[B]

Now it's legal. Yeah. My boy owns a dispensary in Franklin, I think. In New Jersey.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. My buddy's opening one in Jersey.

[B]

He's doing 500k a month. Crazy. A month?

[A]

That's normal in the cannabis industry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's nuts.

[B]

I don't know about the margins, but it sounds like they're high.

[A]

The margins are good, bro. Usually, you know, you buy a product for two dollars, you sell it for five bucks.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Maybe six bucks if you're in the right area.

[B]

So a gram you could get for $2?

[A]

Yeah. Let's just say it's a gram. Right. Like, if you're buying a gram for two, you're selling it for six.

[B]

I used to pay 20.

[A]

And people. People are lined up out the door, bro.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, so it's been a great thing, bro. Cannabis, it's available for everyone nowadays. Right. If you use it. Cool. It's available for you. When you legalize cannabis, you keep it away from young people as well. Right. You regulate the plant you know, I'm not a big fan of the government collecting taxes from it because they're so heavily taxed. Like literally 30 of.

[B]

They take 30.

[A]

Cannabis is. Is about 30, dude. 25 to 30, bro. That's like most important for it. But the good thing is, bro, is that because the, the business has evolved and it's grown, bro. Even though it's heavily taxed, it's still a lot more affordable than it used to be. So when the black market was around, you said $20 a gram.

[B]

That was normal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Jersey.

[A]

Yeah. Right. Now you're able to walk into a cannabis dispensary, bro, and buy a gram with taxes and everything out the door for like eight bucks.

[B]

That's crazy. Yeah.

[A]

And you're able to pick from like 20 different strains. Right. And you're able to see the laboratory testing, bro. So it works out so well for, for people now, bro.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Selling weed was my first business.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That's how I got buying in college.

[A]

It was my first business too.

[B]

Oh, yeah. A lot of successful entrepreneurs start off in the black market.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. 100%, bro.

[B]

Teaches you a lot of skills.

[A]

What college you go to?

[B]

Rutgers.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

Yeah. So Jersey was a good market because, like east coast got all their stuff from the west Coast.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So you can mark it up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you had a good plug on.

[A]

The west Coast, east coast still gets their stuff from the west Coast. Even though a lot of states grow nowadays. I know that Michigan is a state that's growing a lot of cattle nowadays. Yeah. So like a lot of the east coast is flooded with. With weed from Michigan because the, the rules aren't as stringent as California. So a lot of growers from California.

[B]

Went out to Michigan.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's easier for them to grow out there. Right. And they're already in the east coast, so it definitely moves from Michigan to the rest of the east Coast.

[B]

Dude. I've seen some of these grows and it's complex.

[A]

Super complex.

[B]

Like you could easily it up. Like, I actually have a lot of respect for growers. Dead ass.

[A]

It's not easy, bro. It takes a. A science whiz to. To get it done. And they really, really love what they do.

[B]

Yeah, because there's a lot of factors.

[A]

Bro, and a lot of times these, these growers are people like me where they use cannabis and it kind of saved them. Right. So they, they have like this relationship with cannabis where they want to put it in the hands of people and they want to make it better. Right. So they have a very selfless attitude towards what they're doing. And, you know, as we talked earlier, that helps people evolve. Helps things evolve, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Like I said, love, hate. I don't think I'll ever eat an edible again, bro. No, I almost died.

[A]

You know what? With edibles, it's definitely about dosing, right, bro? What did you eat?

[B]

20Mg, which I didn't.

[A]

20Mg, bro. I don't even eat 20mg, bro.

[B]

I did not. Here's what happened. I was in Vegas. I was young and dumb. I was like 21. I ate 10 mgs. The first day I got there, I was fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I went to the buffet, ate like 20 plates. It was the best night of my life. So the next day I'm like, let me double that.

[A]

Okay. Okay. So let's pull it back. You said 10mg, so you had the best night of your life.

[B]

Best night ever.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Off 10 mgs. That was like my tolerance at the time. But I got cocky, my ego got in the way, and I was like, let me eat double that, because I just had the best night of my life. Let's see what happens.

[A]

Are we going to have double the pleasure now?

[B]

Worst night of my life. I called my girl, crying like, babe, I'm about to die. I was at a Criss angel magic show, and I didn't.

[A]

That made it worse for sure. While you're watching that motherfucker walk in the air, you're like, holy shit. What the.

[B]

I didn't even make it to my seat. I literally walked in there, saw crows flying in the air, his demonic eyes looking straight at me. And I crawled to my hotel room. Like, it was awful.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I bet, bro. 100. Yeah. So, I mean. And what you're telling me, bro, 10 milligrams worked for you?

[B]

10 was perfect.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, you can ease back into it. I, like, I could probably find, yeah, 5 milligrams, right. Setting. Right. Instead of having a drink or whatever, like, you have 5 milligrams, you have dinner with your girlfriend or you spend some time with family, bro, and it starts to feel so blissful, bro. One of my favorite things to do, bro, And I'm gonna go ahead and spit it out, is to eat about 5 milligrams of. Of cannabis, bro. And to hang around my 2 year old, I feel like the cannabis, it just, like, opens up all my senses. And then all of a sudden, the communication between me and my two year old, the barriers, they just fall, bro.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I'M just so present. It's like I can feel what she's telling me.

[B]

Telepathy.

[A]

It's weird. And I feel like she can understand what I'm telling her as well, bro. And it stops being language a lot of times, and it's just like movement and eye to eye communication, you know?

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

It is cool.

[B]

They're actually doing studies on, like, the new generation of kids and how a lot of them have these telepathy abilities. Have you seen the telepathy tapes?

[A]

No, I haven't.

[B]

Yeah, bro. It's a new autistic kids. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Actually, I've read about it briefly, bro. Tell me about it.

[B]

Well, a lot of kids and your kids in cali, right? So one out of 20 kids in Cali that are being born right now have diagnosed autism. That's just diagnosed, so it could be even higher. So that's just the thing right now. And they have these telepathy abilities.

[A]

The brain is changing, bro. I've had conversations about autism with. With a few people. Mom, she actually works in special ed, bro. And, you know, they've asked me what I think about autism, and they asked me if I think it's. It's a current crisis, right? A lot of people are calling it a crisis. I don't think it's necessarily a crisis, bro. I think it's just an evolution, bro.

[B]

I agree. I have it. And it wasn't as normal in our generation. Like, I was like, probably one out of 100 or whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But now it's. Yeah, like you said, one out of 20. And I don't think it's a bad thing, bro.

[A]

Look at you.

[B]

I think it's a superpower.

[A]

Super successful. You made your first million and at what, age 23? That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah, but when we were growing up, they really demonized it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They were like something made fun of. Something's wrong with them. They put them in special ed classes if they had it too much. I was able to mask mine to fit in, but now it's like, dude, if you have autism, you can use that.

[A]

Yeah, it's a skill, bro. It's a skill set, bro. You having autism, what do you think? Or how do you think your brain worked differently than, quote, unquote, normal kids?

[B]

I just never felt like I fit in and never wanted to do the normal nine to five routes. I also have adhd, so it's. That could have played a role too.

[A]

ADHD is a funny thing, too, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

ADHD Like, I know a lot of successful people, bro, and they don't have too much patience for bullshit.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Right. So I don't know if it's ADHD all the time or if it's just like, not too much.

[B]

Yeah. I can't do small talk. I can't do conversations.

[A]

Yeah. So think of if you have a teacher up there and this teacher is teaching, but they don't want to teach and they're teaching you some ass. Like, is it really adhd?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm sure you didn't have the same. This. I'm sure you didn't have the same experience with every teacher. Right. Like, there was some teachers that just, like, connected with you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Exactly, bro. So I don't think ADHD is also what they made it out to be. You know, they made it out to be this bad thing. This kid is. Is. Is something's wrong with him. Let's diagnose him. Let's give him some pills. Right.

[B]

In elementary school they tried doing that.

[A]

Nah, bro. I just think it was another evolution, bro. Yeah, I think it was another evolution where people just stopped paying attention to that didn't matter, bro. Or to the people that didn't matter.

[B]

Yeah. Autism's been really beneficial for me.

[A]

Good.

[B]

You know, I'm able to just become good at whatever I set my mind to. I feel like.

[A]

Yeah. My. My first business partner that I made my first mailing with, we ended up finding out two years in. Bro. That he was autistic.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he was like a high functioning.

[A]

High functioning. Yeah, high. High functioning autistic. And he only found out then because he was seeing a therapist because of a relationship with him and his daughter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the therapist diagnosed him, bro.

[B]

So that's one thing I will say I'm deficient in is relationships, especially like dating dynamics. I don't have the. I don't know if empathy is the right word, but I don't know if that's related to all patience.

[A]

The patience, maybe like patience.

[B]

Yeah, that too.

[A]

I would see it in him.

[B]

Emotional connection. You know what I mean? Do you see that in him?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely see that.

[B]

And people take that as an insult.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When I don't feel that connection. But I just. I don't know. My brain doesn't operate that way.

[A]

Do you have any kids?

[B]

I'm about to be soon, hopefully.

[A]

Knock on wood.

[B]

Just got married a couple months ago.

[A]

If you think of it. I mean, that's the whole purpose of dating. Right. Like, that's the whole purpose, bro, is to procreate. Right? So you're still procreating.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right? Autism or not, you're still procreating. So did he. So, like, is it really something that's holding people back? Like, I don't really think so, bro. I just think it's an evolution of things.

[B]

Yeah. I think you should own it. If you haven't, don't feel ashamed. Like, I. My dad got diagnosed at 60.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. He didn't know his whole life.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

60. But then when that came through, everything made sense, dude. Everything. Because he did not know social cues and it would get us in trouble sometimes, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

He's living by his own rules.

[B]

He didn't know when to shut up, and he was alcohol on top of that, so.

[A]

So it just magnified the whole thing.

[B]

I actually just took a childhood trauma test and I scored, like, one of the highest scores.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Which is crazy because I grew up in, like, a rich ass neighborhood, but I think, like, each family has their own trauma type of trauma.

[A]

100, bro. We're all just having different experiences, bro. You know, trauma doesn't stop in. In homes that have money and don't have money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Trauma is just a part of life, bro. It's a part of this experience, bro.

[B]

Yeah. Mine wasn't like a financial one like you dealt with. Like, we had money, but it was more like I didn't get the attention I wanted, I guess, and like a. A mental thing.

[A]

And it affects you.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This was awesome. I think this was. I didn't expect it to go this way, but I thought we talked business, but that was really cool.

[A]

For sure, man.

[B]

Where could people work with you? You said to DM you something.

[A]

Yeah, for sure, man. So me and my boy Mike, right now, we're starting this new play, bro, this new play, which is basically the DM play, right? And what we've identified as a hole in the market, bro, there's a lack of people getting at these DMs that are left in a lot of people's inboxes, Instagram being one of them. Right. You for sure right now have how many in your inbox that are sitting there unanswered, bro? Hundreds.

[B]

Yeah. A hundred.

[A]

Right. So what I want to do and what we're doing right now, we're building up a team, bro. We're building up a team of people that want to learn the skills and want to learn how to basically become a DM setter. A DM closer and be able to capitalize on these DMs that are just sitting, bro. We have a DM setter on our team, bro, that right now is making like 20,000amonth, bro.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

20,000Amonth, bro. And there's people graduating from college who can't find a job, Sean. Right? So imagine, bro, getting set up with the job where you have the possibility of making $20,000 a month. I mean, if you suck at it, you probably make $5,000 a month, bro. It's such a void right now that we need to fill. So I'm setting that up right now, bro. Right now I'm looking for about 15 people who want to get trained, want to learn this skill set, want to capitalize on it, bro. As a matter of fact, bro, for the first 10 people that, that I'm able to recruit and get in, bro, right now I think I have a couple. But I think I have about eight spots left, bro. Is I'm going to guarantee their placement afterwards, bro. I'm going to guarantee their placement for them afterwards, bro. And they're going to be able to, you know, learn a new skill that's going to be needed now and later, especially if you have an entrepreneurial mind, right? If you're an entrepreneur or one day you're going to be kind of popping on Instagram or social media. You need the skill set if you want to show people how to do it for you, bro. So I'm willing to teach people how we do it, how we help people like Mike, how we can help people just like you, bro, Maximize and capitalize on these DMS that are just sitting in the inboxes, bro.

[B]

Let's get it.

[A]

It's the way people communicate, bro. People. Not everyone wants to talk on the phone no more, right?

[B]

Like, you just want to relatable.

[A]

Yeah, you just want to text people, bro. People want to communicate by text. I know kids nowadays, like, they don't really talk anymore, bro. They take pictures of things and they fucking send it or they text and then they send it. They don't talk on the phone anymore, bro. So, you know, it's a skill set that's. That's needed. It's a skill set that I want to build a strong team with, bro. And basically, I want to teach people how to be successful, man, and make good money in this field, bro.

[B]

Let's go message him, guys. I know a lot of you guys DM me and ask for work. Start here.

[A]

DM me, bro. So my, my, my Instagram handle is at Digital Money angel. And you can find me on Instagram. Slide into my DMs. You know, DM me the word elite. DM me the word elite. And I will make sure that you learn the skills to pay the bills, baby. Let's go.

[B]

Dm. Guys. Peace.

[A]

Peace.

[B]

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