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Angelamarie Scafidi: Yoga Isn’t Just Stretching: Why It’s Spiritually Risky | DSH #1536
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Angela
The devil, like, uses God's blueprint of our body and our electromagnetic field, and then overlays, like, the chakra system on top of it, overlays the yoga practice on top of it in order to tap into it unrighteously and illegally. Because the whole premise of yoga, whether or not this is your intention, this is what it was made to do through those movements, what's actually happening is you're giving permission to that spirit through yoga to come in.
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Sean
Okay, guys, we are here in Las Vegas with Angela. She just spoke at Ryan Pineda's event, and now she's here. Thanks for coming.
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Angela
Yeah, thanks for having me.
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Sean
Yeah. It was an interesting event. All about Christianity and business, right? The two. Bring them together.
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Angela
Yeah, absolutely.
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Sean
Yeah. Rusan was telling me about how there's different parts of Christianity and how certain ones don't want Christians to have wealth, and I just thought that was interesting.
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Angela
Yeah, that's a whole thing. People think that for whatever reason, like, God is anti wealth, anti prosperity, but he's not. He's just anti idolatry.
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Sean
So what does that mean?
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Angela
Making an idol of anything? Idolatry is essentially false worship. So you can make an idol of money, you can make an idol of these crystals on the table, you can make an idol of yourself, you can make an idol of false gods, you can make an idol of anything.
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Sean
Yeah. And you've had quite the journey into Christianity, to say the least. Right. So you were part of the whole spiritual world. You were channeling, you were doing all that stuff before.
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Angela
Yeah, I. So I like to say that I was living an extremely spiritual lifestyle, but I had no spiritual life because I did not have he who Is Life. So Jesus's name is the way, the truth, the life. Those are his names, and those are his functions. And so I only thought that I had the totality of those things before. Absolutely not. I was completely deceived, disillusioned, depraved. I could keep going on with the list of adjectives, but he met me where I was. You know, a lot of people say, like, oh, I found Jesus, or whatever the truth is, like, he didn't need to be found. He wasn't like, lost. I was. So he found me. And it's just completely changed my life, my eternity, my relationships, my mind, my soul, my spirit, my everything.
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Sean
Wow. So it wasn't like a specific moment, though. It was kind of just like accumulation over time.
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Angela
You'd say, well, you want the long story or the short version?
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Sean
I mean, whatever you want, I can.
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Angela
Do the tldr, I can do. So to make a long story short, I mean, we can go as deep as this as you want to go. I was. I think we're all looking for God at the end of the day because. And I'm not sure where you stand with this, but we are all made in the image and likeness of God. And the Bible says that, you know, if you take this way back to Genesis, we actually walked like God walked in the midst with Adam and Eve. So we're actually created to walk with our creator, to commune with our creator, to truly like be one with our creator, made in his image and likeness. But because of sin, because the devil, the serpent, told Eve the lie. You know, it's interesting because she promised, he promised her something that she already had. So you can be like God, but she already had the likeness of God. So by disobeying him, eating from the tree of good and evil, sin entered humanity, fell under the curse of sin and separated us from God. And we have been searching ever since to be reconciled to our Creator. That's why people become addicted. That's why people have one night stands. That's why people want to gain an accumulation of wealth. That's why people like me fall into, I say New age, but it's not new because it actually did start in the garden. That lie. You can be like God. That's all New age spirituality, like rebrands and repackages to you. And it feels really good and it feels really empowering. And the stuff actually works. Like the guests you've had on even like, it works. There's power in it. The manifestation stuff, you're absolutely 100% manifestation works because you're interacting with God's real spiritual law, the real spirit realm. You're just operating illegally. So that's the case with all new age spirituality. And for me, just like everyone else, I'm looking to fill that void. I don't know. It's in the shape of a cross the whole time. Went through all my teenage years, depressed, anxious, self harming, the whole nine. Very emo.
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Sean
That was hot back in the day. Yeah, the emo phase.
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Angela
Yeah, well, I wasn't like revered for it by any means. I was like the weird emo kid, not the hot one. Didn't do me any favors. Then later in college, you know, same deal. I was also super overweight, so it was just like nothing was going right for me. And started smoking weed. Then my grandmom died. That was kind of like the first domino of many where you know, it's super normal, right? Like you go. I know. Especially where we're at in Nevada. Like you go into a store, it's like psychic mediums and crystals and astrology and like all this stuff. And it's not even in the back of my head. Like, what if this is wrong? What if this is weird? Because it's not marketed that way. It's just like something that people do. So in 2014, I don't know if you remember the show Long Island Medium, like super popular. You're from Jersey, so. Yeah, I'm from Philly.
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Sean
Yeah, I heard of it.
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Angela
So it was super popular show. And I just had it in my head this is just something people do. Like they go to mediums when people die. And I was so devastated when my grandmom died. She was my best friend. I was actually on a cruise ship. Like it was really not ideal. We had to wait three days to, to dock and then get on a plane, go home and bury her. It was like absolutely miserable. But went to see a medium. She knew things. She told me she was working with God and you know, the archangels and all these things. So again, I'm thinking this is just like totally innocent, totally fine, totally spiritual. And because it worked, she knew things. I was, I was sold. Like, it's all it takes. It's, it's, it's a, it's the agreement, right? Like the spirit realm operates in very legalistic modality. So you, you contract into that, you swear into that, you agree to that, then there's a certain dominion of influence and distortion that now has permission to truly enter your life. So that day, I didn't know it, I was coming into agreement with a demon pretending to be my grandmom. Then I have this like close intimate relationship. And I'm just thinking like, oh, it's grandma hugging me and touching me and talking to me and all these things. So from the medium led to starting to buy all these crystals because I'm like, oh, they have, they have this mystical magical property.
- [07:01]
Sean
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Angela
Go anywhere without it to them. So I can heal myself. I can attract wealth. I can. I can cure anxiety. I can do all these things. I can even use it to. Now I'm getting into chakras. I can use it to open my third eye so I can communicate with my grandma more. Maybe I can even help other people do the same thing, whatever. From there then, Reiki, it's just like, literally, like, snowball effect, like, door after door after door. Because it was kind of like twofold in the way that it started to pan out for me, was on one hand, I would find this new thing, and it was. It was, like, cool, and it was exciting, and I was, like, experiencing real power, and I was having these really kind of transcendental experiences with it all. But then, on the other hand, things would only work until they didn't. So I would experience these bouts of relief and these highs. So I'm like, yeah, this is kind of like a narcotic in a way, where I got addicted to it. So on one hand, I really thought it was neat, and I just wanted more power. I wanted more, like, I want to be more enlightened. I was starting to get, like, an ego because I also, by the way, lost all the weight in the. Like, a year and a half after my grandma died. So I was finally, quote untractive for the first time in my life. And my ego is, like, just, like, so puffed up at this point alongside the spiritual path that I'm on. And I wanted more of that, but I also needed more of it because of the addictive component to it all, because I would always crash and burn, like, 10 times worse than I had, like, going into a new modality. So I'm like, okay, now I need another thing and another thing and another thing. Like, oh, the crystal work. There's something incomplete to it. Okay, well, let me start doing yoga now. And yoga was great for me because it was like, the best of both worlds. I was like, I lost all the weight so I could take care of my physical body and my spiritual body. That became my thing, like my bread and butter. I became a yoga teacher. I was also a reiki healer. I was also really into tarot cards. And then you, like, fast forward, like, five or six years into all that stuff. I kind of moved from, like, if you get this, like, image of kind of, like a boho, earthy, hippie kind of thing, like the tapestries and the elephants, like, that kind of vibe to now more of like the celestial, like dark, moody, almost like a dominatrix vibe to me. Really alien esque. Because I got into astrology, I actually thought I was a starseed. I know you've had some guests on here before that adhere to that. I did think I was a star seed for the longest time because you know, I'm up on Google, like, what's wrong with me? I'm doing all this stuff I'm do, I'm doing all this spiritual work, but I'm still empty. Why? Oh, well, the only thing that makes sense, you know, it couldn't possibly be that I'm separated from my creator and I need to be saved by Jesus Christ. That's ridiculous. Christianity is ridiculous and stupid. It must be that I'm an alien. That must be it. So I'm an alien, I've come from another planet and I've been sent here to ascend the collective. And I'm like, okay, that makes sense. Like this is how, this is like how desperate I was really. Like, I needed something like that to believe in where I wouldn't receive the gospel that Jesus came to save me from myself. But I needed the counterfeit gospel that I came to save myself from myself because that makes us feel better. That's the carnal desire within all of us to be God. I am the one I've been looking for all along. So the starseed narrative really spoke to me and my selfishness and my indulgence where I'm like, great, this pain has a purpose. I've come to save the world. Perfect. So that got me into astrology because I wanted to understand my quote unquote celestial blueprint which you get, your birth chart, lays it out for you. This is what you're created to do. And B, these are the things that you're gonna kind of sway to more and the things that you're gonna have to work through. Basically lays out the plan for your life. I got so into it, that was my favorite. I would do these bi weekly moon reports, new moon, full moon, break them down extensively with the houses and the different planets and all the placements correlating to whatever season we were in. I would correlate it to numerology. I, I would correlate it to tarot. I would correlate it to the chakra system. I just thought I was like, look at me, I'm just so knowledgeable and I have all this hidden knowledge and I can like help all these people. I used to say I was walking everyone home on the self healing journey. I actually used to have an old podcast about astrology called Moon and Back, which is. That was like the whole shtick of it. And. Yeah, but still, at the end of the day, the day, you know, I put my head on the pillow at night and I know something is missing, something is off. Like, I'm still depressed. Oh, but it's okay, because it's just the process. That's what you always have to tell yourself in New Age. It's just the process. Like, it's fine because there's no other excuse really, to justify why things aren't working. It's like a hamster wheel. It's just constant. Like, you're climbing, you're running, you're going, you're going, you're going. But there's no means to an end with the healing. And it's really interesting because a lot of New Age people will come at me now and say, like, oh, well, you weren't doing it right. But that in and of itself, it kind of like collapses in on their own worldview because their whole worldview is contingent on everything is relative. So how are you going to tell me I wasn't doing it right if everything is subjective and relative? It's almost like you're borrowing from an objective worldview to make that claim for yourself. Why? Because we all actually know inherently deep within us that there is an objective reality. Because God created that way and he's the author of it. So we have to. We have to. Even when we are. Even when we are going in the wrong direction in our humanity, we use the objective truth as the moral compass. Even when we're not going the right way, even if we're not aware of it. And I was doing that all along. I didn't know it, but I was doing that all along. And I was just really thirsty for the truth. I thought it was my truth I was thirsty for. But at the end of the day, it gets to this point where I'm 27 at the time. So this was in September of 2021, where, you know, I have a podcast. I have. I'm doing the astrology thing. I'm a yoga teacher. My students love me. They're like, you're the best. You know, we always feel so much better. Like, I was. I was the girl everyone would come up to, like, oh, tell me about myself. And I could. Because if you come up to me, I could tell you your zodiac sign, I could tell you your rising sign, your moon sign, tell you about yourself, make me Feel great. I had the accolades of spirituality again, very spiritual lifestyle. But I was still dead, as we all are in our sin without Christ. And it gets to a point where I'm on the kitchen floor just having a breakdown, which was pretty normal for me at that point. I had relapsed self harm about five, six months prior for the first time since I was in college. So I'm like not really getting anywhere with all this stuff. And I can't figure out why because I'm doing all of the things and I have the meditation down, I have the rituals down, I have the, the, the moon cycles down. Like I know how to. Why? So like snotty and wailing and just like literally on the floor wanting to die.
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Sean
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Angela
Said Jesus, save me. Like it just flew out of my mouth. Almost like a last ditch effort. Which makes me feel horrible in hindsight to say that he was the last ditch effort. But you know what? It does sometimes take that moment of completely coming to the end of yourself to come to the beginning of Him. And so that's what it was for me. I said, Jesus, save me. Nothing happened in that moment like a hand in it reach down from heaven. I didn't hear a choir of angels or anything. It was like anticlimactic. Just went to bed, it was late. I'm like, you know, the breakdown ends. You come down from that. I go to bed now. I wake up the next morning, the static in my mind is gone. I feel joy. I don't have intrusive thoughts. I'm very like aware that those three words did more than 10 years of all of the new age stuff, of believing I was a starseed, of channeling those aliens, of using the crystals, of doing the yoga, of doing the tarot. I said three words. I called out to the living God and he came for me. He met me there and just delivered me from depression, anxiety and intrusive thoughts literally overnight. And I was like, cool, that's incredible. So what I actually did was, and I think a lot of us kind of tend to do this where we might have like a recognition of like, oh yeah, I believe in Jesus, I believe in God or whatever, but we're not sold out. So that's where I was. You'd think being completely delivered from the things I struggled with most, I would be all in. But I wasn't. I was still resistant. I was still. I was still committed to living for myself. And so for the next three months, I went on to kind of bring Jesus into my New Ageism. I'm like, okay, well, now when I do the moon charts, I'll just talk about, you know, surrendering to Jesus. Like, oh, if it's a new moon in Aries, that's all about new beginnings. So this is the beginning for you to really give your life to Jesus like it was. But you can't do that. You can. And I know a lot of people think you can. Like, you can kind of, like, Christianize witchcraft or just slap the name of Jesus on a yoga practice or a Reiki thing and just be like, yeah, I know Jesus. I work with Jesus. But there's two kingdoms. The Bible says there's two kingdoms. There's a kingdom of light and a kingdom of darkness. There's no, like, build a bear kingdom. There's no kingdom of neutrality. There's two kingdoms. It's from one source or it's from the other source. And God does not contradict himself. He does not operate through spiritual plagiarism, which, like I said right at the top of this, all this stuff works because you're operating with real spirit law. You're just doing it illegally. The Bible's clear. Jesus says whoever goes in through the window is a thief or a robber.
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Sean
Wow.
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Angela
You have to come in through the door where the good shepherd is, where he will tend to his sheep. That's the New Age in a nutshell, is you're going in through the window, and then you actually have demonic entities that are entering you through the window as well, but you're giving them permission to. So again, it's all about agreement. Anyway, three months later, so I started reading the Bible. It's funny, because I would read any other book in the world. My shelves were full of, like, the Secret and Conversations with God. Like, all of these books that are so popular in New Age Starseed transmissions. Like, so, so many books that I just ate. Ate them up. No crumbs would never touch a Bible. I'm like, that's written by a bunch of, like, crusty white dudes that don't want women to have any power. Like, that was me. I was full. Like, I did not want anything to do with Christianity at all.
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Sean
Yeah, the spiritual community is not the biggest fan of Christianity, I noticed.
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Angela
Yeah, well, it's. It's really telling, don't you think? Like, we pick and choose all these other things in New Age where it's like, A buffet. It's like I'll take a little bit of Buddhism, a little bit of astrology, little, maybe even a Bible verse, but only if I can pull it from its context and divorce it of, of its historical backdrop and the actual intents. If I just take this one, then I can like build a worldview around it. Like, only if it resonates with me though. So it's like a buffet. You just. But there is this hard, like. No. And it's because it's completely spiritual. Like, to me, that was one of the things that when I did come to Christ, I recognized the real spiritual war that the Bible talks about. And again, this kingdom thing, you can feel that tension, that opposition. There's like. Because it's literally a kingdom clash. So it has nothing to do with like Christianity as like a religion. And it has everything to do with the actual source beyond behind the kingdoms. And that is God versus the devil. So three months in, I start reading the Bible finally because I wanted to know, you know, Jesus, if I'm gonna incorporate Jesus, maybe I should, you know, read about him. So I start reading the Bible and it, you know, it says that it's alive, it's living, it's active, it's sharper than any double edged sword. And I didn't mean for it to happen, but you start to, you know, you humble yourself in a willingness to kind of like yield to that, which is what I did. And that kind of gave him the permission to start to cut away at my flesh and my carnality and the lies with his truth. And so what happened was I was actually in a bar. And this is the thing about God, is that he will meet you anywhere. He will meet you at the lowest low, in the places you shouldn't be doing the things you should not be doing. It doesn't matter what you've done, it doesn't matter where you are. He will meet you there, but he won't leave you there. So for me, I'm in a bar, a little drunk, little buzzed, coherent enough to like, know, like, I remember all this in very vivid detail. I had started to. So it's three months and I had started to like, wonder. You know, I'm seeing stuff online now, like, because the algorithm knows that I'm going through this transformation. I start talking about Jesus. So I start seeing content from Christians now. That's like yoga's demonic and you know, Reiki's demonic. And you know, it's a very strong word when you hear the word demonic, right? And it can be very triggering. So for me, I'm like, that's ridiculous. No, I don't. I don't believe in that. Astrology is. No, but, you know, Jesus saved me from depression, anxiety, and intrusive thoughts. So, like, could it be? Like, I just started asking my could what if. Like, what if I was wrong this whole time because I think I have a relationship with God? Even before the Jesus thing happened, I. I thought all those years that I was working with God, as most spiritualists do, I would have never called myself a witch. Oh, I don't know. I don't talk to demons. I don't do rituals. I don't cast spells. I don't do blood magic, any of that. I'm all light and love. That's what I thought. Second Corinthians 11:14 says, Satan masquerades as an angel of light. Isn't it interesting that the mantra of New Age is light and love? So I'm like, okay, maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. I asked a good friend of mine because he creates content on YouTube or, I'm sorry, on Instagram. And I started following him in 2020 because he had, you know, all the stuff that went on in the world. He was, like, explaining it all through, like, a biblical worldview, which I was just interested in because I hadn't heard that I was very much so, like, into, like, all the conspiracies. And, like, I'm like, yeah, red pill me baby kind of thing. So. So that was me. And he was the only person that I would say was, like, conservative that was filtering it through the Bible. And I was interested in the fact that it made sense to me. So I reached out to him because I didn't know who else to reach out to. And I said, hey, like, I've heard you say XYZ about this thing and that thing. And I'm just asking you, what could really be so bad about astrology if, like, God created the stars and the moon and the planets? Like, I don't get it. Because what if we just interpret it all through the lens of, like, his plan for us? I don't understand what could be possibly wrong with that. So he doesn't try to explain it away to me. He doesn't try and change my mind. He just sent me Scripture. So there's this Bible verse in Isaiah 47 where God is rebuking the Babylonians, and he essentially says, and I'm paraphrasing and, you know, 2025 language. He's just like, yeah, go Ahead, let them. Let your astrologers come before you. Let them make their predictions, go and go and let them save you, because they can't. They're no fire to sit before. Matter of fact, they're going to burn in their own fire. So that's like, you know, the paraphrased. I read that and it was the first time. So I had this, like, supernatural, sobering, like, whatever buzz I had completely vanished all at the same time. And it's like all of this happened in an instant. But when I look back on this moment, it was like all. It's like slow motion because it was just like this. It was like 27 years of just my whole life. Like, it's so interesting because you know how people say, like, your life flashes before your eyes when you're about to die? Well, I was born again in that moment. And it's like that, the 27 years of my life, truly. I felt the magnitude and the weight of it all in this one moment. All those years. Like, wow, thank you, Lord. And he gave me a new heart, like, instantly. Just I felt conviction. But it wasn't like shame, it wasn't like guilt. It was just this, like, holiness of. I was recognizing I'm not God. He's got. I'm actually a sinner. And I would have never used the word sin. I thought the word sin was something that man created to keep us stuck in the Matrix. Whatever. I'm sure you've heard all this before. So I'm realizing, like, oh, wait, I am a sinner. I've been sinning against a holy God. And the Bible says it's the kindness of God that leads us to repentance. And it was just like, again, all this happened in a moment. But it's like when I slow it down, it's like it's so expansive. Like, I recognized every crooked line where I could see the kindness of God in my life when I never deserved it, when I hated him, when I rejected him, moments where I actually should have died, when I was in situations I shouldn't have been in, where I somehow got out of it. Like, just all this stuff, including all the New Age things that I was doing. And I'm feeling the kindness of God overwhelm me with the holiness of God, with the. With the. With the justice of God, with the might of God, with the counsel of God, like it says in, in the Book of Isaiah. Kind of the Holy Spirit is like a sevenfold spirit, Spirit of might and wisdom and counsel and understanding and the fear of the Lord, I was true. Like, the Holy Spirit was truly coming into my spirit and resurrecting what was dead. And it just. All of a sudden, my husband at the time was just my fiance. We're playing pool. He's looking at me. He's like, are you okay? Because I'm just standing there looking at my phone, reading this passage, and this is all happening at once. And I'm like, yeah, I'm great. But I'm like, no, I have no idea what's happening. But it's just instant. Like, I can't do this anymore. I got to get rid of it all. I have to stop it. I can't do this podcast. I can't do astrology. I can't do yoga. I can do Reiki. I can't do tarot. I can't do anything. And I don't want to, because I recognized it was actually demonic. And that demonic wasn't an allegory, and it wasn't poetry. It was like, there are literal demons. And that was it. Like, I went home. Within that week or so, I made one final episode on my old podcast, and I, like, publicly repented. I told everyone I was leading them astray, and that there's one God. His name is Jesus, and everything that we're doing is a deception. And I was so sorry. And I didn't know what was gonna happen next. All I knew was that I was gonna lay my life down because Jesus laid his life down for me. And from that point forward, I was so zealous. Because when you, like, look back, when you recognize that you have truly grieved the heart of a God that created you fearfully and wonderfully, knit you together in your mother's womb, and set you apart before the foundations of the earth, literally, to know you, but loves you so much that he gave you the free will to actually turn your back on him in your own willingness. It was really, really so weighty for me that I had. I just. This holy burden and responsibility to tell everybody. Like, I need everyone to know that New Age is not godly. Something being spiritual does not mean that it is holy. Something working does not not mean that it's working legally. Like, something that feels good doesn't mean that it is good. And the nature of deception is that you don't know you're being deceived, and you can be sincere and sincerely deceived at the same time. And that's what I was. And that's like, that's the case for a lot of the World Jesus says broad is the road that leads to destruction. The path of spiritualism is like, extensively broad, which is why, again, back to relativism. But narrow is the way that leads to life, and he's truly the narrow road. But I'm telling you, like, a lot of people are like, well, it's boring. I don't want to do that. Like, I love. I love everything I do. I love, like, my crystal magic. And I love, like, you know, astral projecting. And I love if, okay, life as a Christian is only boring if you've never really had an encounter with the Holy Spirit. And I think the devil has done a really good job of convincing the world and actually the church, unfortunately.
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Sean
Oh, yeah.
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Angela
That spirituality has no place in Christianity when it's actually the opposite. Like, authentic spirituality belongs to the born again because God is spirit. He wants to be worshiped in spirit and in truth. Back to. We're made in the image and likeness of God. We're created to actually be in communion with him, be intimate with him. And you think about what they had in the garden. They had dominion of the earth. They had authority. They had that closeness with the Lord. Jesus came and died to be the atonement that we could never be in our depravity, in our. In our unworthiness, in our sin, in our, in our evil. Really. Like, and we've all done bad things. We've all lied, we've all, We've all stolen. We've all, We've all, like, whatever that thing is, like that you're thinking, I've done the worst thing I've ever done. We've all done something like that, right? We're all separate from Him. It's not, it's not a bad thing. It's a humbling thing because it actually takes the weight off your shoulders to, like, atone for yourself. Like, you don't have to carry that. You, you. You're going to be held accountable for it, but you don't have to be responsible for it because Jesus made himself responsible on your behalf because he loves you. That's what John 3:16 says. I don't want to follow a God that sends me to hell. He doesn't. Hell is our default location. And if you look at the world around us, we've actually done a great job of structuring a hell for our own selves. And it's, and it's so prophetic because the hell that we've created for our own selves has all come from living for ourselves. That's why? People are depressed. That's why they're anxious. That's why they can't. Like I said, put your head on the pillow at night. Why am I not at peace? Because you're completely obsessed with yourself. You haven't died to yourself. And that's kind of like the paradox of life with Christ is that you die to yourself, but you gain life in him. And when his spirit lives within you, that is true spiritual life. It's life more abundantly. My life is, like, the furthest thing from boring. I mean, we were casting out demons this morning.
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Sean
Really?
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Angela
I saw miracle healings yesterday. True spirituality belongs to the born again. But like I was saying, the devil's done a really good job. Convincing the church? No. Convincing the world? No. Back. Back to how I used to be. Like, I would have never thought when I was searching for healing answers, truth, whatever, that I could find it within the walls of a church. Like, my only understanding of church was Catholicism. I went to Catholic school when I was little. My only understanding of Jesus at that point was just like the crucifix above the classroom door. I would have never thought in 10,000 years, like, I can have an encounter with God here. And that's very intentional because why? Oh, well, I know where I can have an encounter. Let me go to that psychic. After all, that's what's happened to the world. And now they think they found God in all of these, like, empty, empty cisterns, but they're looking for the living water. So the devil has convinced the world that all the spiritual, you know, power belongs to the occult and that God is actually there. And then he's convinced the church that everything is demonic. So, yeah, that was a lot.
- [32:34]
Sean
Yeah, that was impressive.
- [32:36]
Angela
You're like, so how did you find it? I'm like, short or long answer?
- [32:40]
Sean
No, that was quite the journey. Thanks for sharing that.
- [32:42]
Angela
Yeah.
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Sean
It must have been hard with your friend group at the time when you were spiritual for them to adjust to this, I'd imagine.
- [32:48]
Angela
Yeah. I wish I had, in hindsight, done a better job at showing them the love of God. I was just so, like I said, burdened by what I had done that I. I almost came on too strong with them. What I wish I had done was just go on a walk and say, like, I really need to tell you what happened. Like, I need to tell you about this encounter that I had with Jesus Christ and how much he loves us all. But I didn't. I'm like, girls, yoga's demonic. Like, you know, I went about it the wrong way. They know that in hindsight, two of them actually came out of it with me, one at the same time, and then the other one I had been praying for faithfully for, like, three years. She very recently figured it all out, too. She's like, yeah, all that stuff we were doing. No, it was Jesus all along.
- [33:39]
Sean
I think some people take it extreme. Like, I had on one guest who. Who. Who's done ayahuasca 54 times. Wow. And I just feel like. Like she's a sweet lady and everything, but people get extreme with it, for sure. New age, I guess she's new age. I never know. There's all these labels.
- [33:53]
Angela
Spirituality.
- [33:54]
Sean
Yeah.
- [33:55]
Angela
Well, see, okay, so when I say new age, it's just like an umbrella term. It's just anything related to the occult, related to witchcraft, false religion. I just put it all under this umbrella of new age.
- [34:06]
Sean
Yeah.
- [34:07]
Angela
So, yeah, I would say someone doing ayahuasca. I would categorize within that because I never did ayahuasca, But I was, like, super into, like, psychedelics. And I was like. I was absolutely obsessed with smoking weed all the time. So that was like new age for me because it was about spirituality and, you know, whatever. But, like, what I would say to someone like that is, like, why are you doing Iowa? Like, what are you looking for?
- [34:30]
Sean
A lot of them are looking for answers, you know.
- [34:33]
Angela
Yeah.
- [34:34]
Sean
Would you consider weed demonic? Smoking weed?
- [34:36]
Angela
I would.
- [34:37]
Sean
Really?
- [34:37]
Angela
Yes.
- [34:37]
Sean
How come?
- [34:38]
Angela
Well, because it. It's kind of like a long answer. But, you know, we. People will say, like, well, God created weed. I'm like, okay, great. Like, God created poison berries. Are you gonna put that in your oatmeal? Go ahead. You know, like poison ivy. Are you gonna rub that on your body? So, yeah, I know God created creation, but also creation has fallen. Creation is cursed. Bible says we're going to actually have a new heaven and a new earth. Not just a new earth, but a new heaven. So the heavenly realms are also corrupted. Like, this is how. When I. When I talk about sin, sin is. It's like a disease. It's more than, like, a behavior modification. I think a lot of people hear, like, oh, all Christianity talks about is a bunch of sinners. Like, and talk about what a bad person I am. It's not about you being a bad person or you needing, like, an adjustment to your attitude. It's like, you have a disease. Like, we are all infected with this depravity and this sin that it's literally infected the heavenly realms. This is why The Bible says in Ephesians 6 that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and darkness and rulers in heavenly places like demons are. They're from the heavenly realms. They rebelled against God before we did. So this is the weight, the magnitude of the sin problem that not only earth has, but the heavenly realms have as well. This is why he needs to completely redeem everything and make it all brand new. So back to the weed. My point is that in a fallen world where creation is corrupted, there are elements to our creation that has thus been corrupted. I don't believe in a perfect garden where God walked in their midst, that there was berries that could kill you. I don't believe that. I believe once sin entered, once death entered, because God said, you will surely die. Once death entered, then the components of death entered all of creation.
- [36:41]
Sean
Wow.
- [36:42]
Angela
So with. With stuff like weed, it's like, it's completely spiritual. Like you are. This goes back to like operating in the legalistics of spirit law. When you smoke weed, it is undeniably like a visceral high. Like, it's a high for a reason. It's called a high. Taps into the biochemistry of your brain that God actually designed in such a way that really only the Holy Spirit is supposed to. You know, it says in the Bible, they said, don't be. Don't be drunk on wine, but be filled with the spirit. And there's a point where the bystanders are witnessing kind of the manifestation of the Holy Spirit and they think they're drunk because that's like the joy and the exuberance of like the living water being drunk on the living water. And they're saying, no, this is like the new wine, meaning, you know, the blood of Christ. So it's a counterfeit for the Holy Spirit, for the peace and the, quote high and the spiritual insight and the wisdom and the self control. And I'd say like, you know, the quality of numbing, because with the Holy Spirit, it's not like a numbing as much as it is like actual. You have a sound mind. I used to smoke weed to calm the anxiety, but it was really like I was just keeping it at bay. What I needed was actually for it to like, leave. Not just kind of like be silenced for a while, but to just be like thrown out. So it's a counterfeit for the fruit of the Spirit. It's a counterfeit for the high of the spirit. It's a counterfeit. Back to the talk of idolatry. Like, it's. You can make an idol. Like, I used to not be able to let, like, my weed get. If it was like this much left. I'm like, full on panic attack. I need more. I still needed, like, I don't know, like, at least an eighth to make sure, like, when I would have to go buy more, I could not go with. That's an idol. That's worship.
- [38:47]
Sean
Yeah.
- [38:47]
Angela
That's something I'm relying on, that is outside of God to bring me, like, any sort of semblance of relief or whatever it is I'm looking for in that. Some people just are like, well, I just smoke for fun. Some people think it brings them closer to God. It doesn't. He does not. Jesus gave us his Holy Spirit. Jesus actually says, it's better that I go to be with the Father so that I can give you my spirit. So His Holy Spirit, that is what he has provided us. It's why we don't need. It's why we don't need priests. You know, we don't. We don't need priests. We don't need all these external rituals. We don't need the Mediator. The Bible says Jesus is the mediator and he's given us his Holy Spirit. The kingdom of God is within you. That's what we need. Like, you don't need to smoke weed. Whatever anyone's smoking weed for, like, that can be found in Christ. And to be honest with you, when I first was born again, I actually still struggled with that for a very long time, about a year where I would still smoke. And I justified it the way anyone else would. Like, you know, God created it, like, all the same things. But after I was water baptized, something completely shifted in the spirit with me. And that opened a door to me realizing, like, there was a spirit of addiction that was in my soul that actually was cast out of me. So I had the spirit of addiction cast out of me as a Christian.
- [40:13]
Sean
Wow.
- [40:14]
Angela
And after that night, I never wanted it. It wasn't even, like a temptation. So, yeah, I do think that it's demonic. And it's also completely unnecessary because back to what I said, like, truly being filled with the spirit of God is the furthest thing from, like, boring. It's the most. I don't want to say entertaining because that feels irreverent, but it's. It's just. I mean, it's life. Like Jesus says, I came to give you life more abundantly. The devil comes to steal, kill, destroy. Think about what weed does. Like, it steals your time, steals your money, steals Your diet?
- [40:50]
Sean
Yeah.
- [40:51]
Angela
Then you eat like crap, right?
- [40:52]
Sean
Like munchies.
- [40:53]
Angela
Munchies just kills your brain cells, like, all these things.
- [40:56]
Sean
So I feel way better without it. I was a big stoner growing up.
- [40:59]
Angela
Really?
- [40:59]
Sean
Yeah, huge. Like, three, five times a day. Yeah. I was relying on weed. Now, our mutual friend Brian Demon Racer said alcohol is demonic. Where do you stand on alcohol?
- [41:08]
Angela
Yeah. So me and Brian disagree on a couple things. Nothing like that's like, gonna send us to heaven or hell or whatever, but with alcohol, the Bible says, like, all things are beneficial, but not. I'm sorry, all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial. If we see in Scripture, we do see instances of, like, feasting and where they would drink wine. And I mean, I don't believe you should be out here getting drunk. And I'm not even saying that every Christian should be drinking. But I don't think, like, if you pick up a cocktail or if you. If you have a glass of wine at dinner, like, I don't think you're gonna, like, get a demon that way. Yeah, but is it beneficial for you, especially if, like, you have a past of alcoholism, like, you probably shouldn't, you know, kind of thing? So I think it's a completely different context than a drug that the second you smoke it, like, you're completely altered.
- [42:03]
Sean
Right.
- [42:03]
Angela
Whereas we have a context biblically for they were drinking wine, like, just Jesus drank some wine. So again, drunkenness. No, but I don't think it's like, you know, you're going to hell or you're going to get. Get a demon.
- [42:19]
Sean
I could see that, you know, is there a way to do yoga without it being demonic? Like, is it demonic part. The meditation at the end. Is that why people.
- [42:25]
Angela
No, like, the whole thing? Well, see, that's the problem is a lot of people think it's stretching. They're just stretching. But it's not. It's that it uses stretching as a modality of divination. So I like to break it down very simply. The difference, like, biblically, we see in terms of, like, moving your body. Everyone's familiar with sex. Sex within the context of marriage is holy and righteous and pure and encouraged by God, actually. Same movements. Sex within the context of fornication is sin. You get soul ties that way. You can't actually get demons that way. So it's like the same thing, but in the different spiritual context has a consequence because of the spirit law you're operating under. So with yoga, the curation, the design, even the mythology of how it was Passed down. It's really interesting because it correlates with the Book of Enoch. It says, like, this knowledge was taught to, like, the people of Earth. When you. When you hear the mythology of yoga, they say that the false gods taught yoga, the practice, to the seven sages, which taught it to the nation. So it's like the same narrative. It's really interesting. But yoga, its curation is to yoke, to worship, embody the characteristics of Hindu deities. I know it sounds ridiculous, but that's what it was for. You can't divorce. You can't divorce it, you know? And I'm not like, you know, you can't do yoga by accident. Like, if you were to, like, reach your arms up over your head, I'm like, oh, my gosh, you did yoga? You know, it's not like that. Again, it comes back to the spiritual law that you're operating within and the context, which, by the way, you don't get to decide, like, what spirit law you're operating under if you're seeking something out to do it. And you're. What I'm trying to say is, like, your intention. Like, well, I don't think that I'm operating in the legal spiritual law, so therefore I'm not. It's. That's not how it works.
- [44:35]
Sean
Yeah.
- [44:36]
Angela
It's like God created this, the law and the systems, and he's the one that gets to decide that. So you either adhere to him or you pledge your allegiance to Satan. It sounds. Again, I know it sounds dramatic, but.
- [44:47]
Sean
Like, damn, I love hot yoga.
- [44:50]
Angela
You do?
- [44:51]
Sean
Yeah.
- [44:51]
Angela
Yeah. Why?
- [44:53]
Sean
Feels good?
- [44:54]
Angela
Yeah.
- [44:55]
Sean
Like, just actual stretching.
- [44:56]
Angela
Yeah, like, it does. Yeah, the actual stretching feels good. So it's like, I say, it's a spiritual practice with some physical benefit.
- [45:02]
Sean
Yeah.
- [45:04]
Angela
It's not like a physical practice with spiritual benefit. Does that make sense?
- [45:07]
Sean
Yeah. Yeah. But what if I'm just stretching on my own?
- [45:09]
Angela
Well, you can just stretch on your own, you know, don't go to a yoga class.
- [45:12]
Sean
Okay. So it's the actual class element.
- [45:14]
Angela
It's the class. And it's like the asanas, like. Like the way that they curate the movements together.
- [45:20]
Sean
Right.
- [45:21]
Angela
And, like, they structure it in such a way because it comes back to, like, our biochemistry, our anatomy, like, the way that we are created, like our electromagnetic magnetic field and even our vibrations and frequency, which some Christians, like, are a little sensitive to those words.
- [45:36]
Sean
Yeah.
- [45:36]
Angela
And I used to be. I'm like, don't say the word vibration around me. It triggers me because of where I came from. But again, God Created these things. So even with like in that framework of like the devil, like uses God's blueprint of our body and our electromagnetic field in field and then overlays like the chakra system on top of it, overlays the yoga practice on top of it in order to tap into it unrighteously and illegally. Because the whole premise of yoga, again, whether or not this is your intention, this is what it was made to do through those movements curated in a certain way to interact with your biochemistry and your electromagnetic field in a certain way is to quote, awaken a Kundalini spirit. So the myth of the Kundalini spirit is that it's a serpent that's like just, we all just have a serpent at the base of our spine, which we don't. We don't.
- [46:24]
Sean
Kundalini awakening, right?
- [46:26]
Angela
Yeah. So what's actually happening is you're giving permission to that spirit through yoga to come in.
- [46:31]
Sean
Damn.
- [46:31]
Angela
Yeah, I, this, I can't wait to see this real in the comments. It comes in through the yoga practice, it comes in through the chakra work and it's a spirit of witchcraft. It's really fascinating. In the Bible, in Acts 16:16, Paul is getting kind of like, the apostle Paul is getting kind of like annoyed by this girl that's following them around and she's proclaiming the name of Jesus, but she's doing it like in like a mocking sense.
- [47:01]
Sean
Yeah.
- [47:02]
Angela
And he says, he just turns around, he says, spirit of divination come out of her and it leaves. Spirit of divination. When you break that down in like the original Greek is python. Kundalini is a serpent. When I tell you I see this thing manifest all the time in people that have practiced witchcraft, even born again Christians, because Christians can have demons. Like our soul and our spirit completely separate. Separate thing. So our Holy Spirit, I'm sorry, the spirit gets sealed by the Holy Spirit, but our soul is our mind, will and emotions. So that stuff can all be corrupted. That's why we can still get sickness and virus and disease and all those things. Same way that we can still open a door to a demonic entity. So what I'm trying to say is I've seen this manifest a lot even when I was delivered from a spirit of witchcraft. That Kundalini spirit is nasty. It comes in through yoga and it does like to hide in the spine. And it's really interesting when you start to see this thing happen in real life and, and you're telling witchcraft come out of the spine, divination come out of the spine, and they're like, contorting and they're screaming because it's like a serpent. It's a serpent spirit, and that's what the Kundalini spirit is. And you see this even in the yoga practice. You'll see videos of people doing Kundalini yoga, and you see their spine contorting. You see them writhing. Even in Reiki, what's happening is the demon is manifesting on its own accord. Because the Bible says in Matthew 12 that a demon can go out of the body, not cast out, but it can go out. So the demon can come and go as it pleases. When you're in agreement with it, it's because it's. It says that it's. This is its home. So it leaves. You might feel better for a minute, like, after you have that, like, really transcendental experience in your yoga practice. I used to have them all the time, or the Reiki. Wow. I feel so much peace. But then a week later, you're like, oh, I need Reiki again. Something must be blocked, because the Bible says when the demon goes out, it comes back with seven worse. So this is like the cycle of new age and yoga and just. You just keep getting demonized further and further so that you need more of those practices, which, like I said at the top, I was really addicted to it because I kept having the breaking point. But then it also felt really good, so I just wanted more. And that's the process that's. That's. That's going on. So back to the question. Yeah, yeah, you can't divorce the spiritualism of yoga any more than you can actually divorce the spiritualism of communion. Because even. Even the Bible says, do not take communion in an unworthy manner because it brings a curse upon you. There are real spiritual laws at play, regardless of your intention, that are in effect, that are instated, that, you know, we don't have the. The control over that. So there's consequences.
- [49:42]
Sean
Angela, I've learned a lot. I can't wait to talk to you further on future episodes. This was really enlightening for me. Where can people find you?
- [49:49]
Angela
Yeah, so I'm on Heaven and Healing podcast. It's primarily on YouTube whenever we are, you know, actually catch up to the audio. It's on Spotify and Apple as well. Mostly on YouTube, though. It's kind of my whole thing is I just expose the darkness of the new age, but more importantly, I just reveal the light of Jesus Christ. And I just want everyone to know that's who they're looking for. That's who you're looking for. I don't know what these mean to you. I don't know what you think you get out of these.
- [50:12]
Sean
I like crystals.
- [50:13]
Angela
Do you like them for their energy? Would you just like to look at them?
- [50:17]
Sean
I would lie if I said that wasn't part of it. It's part of it, but I like how they look and feel too.
- [50:22]
Angela
Well, the Holy Spirit feels a lot better than this. I promise on the sage. You don't need to cleanse the room with sage. You. You should just. You should try inviting the Holy Spirit into your space sometime and see what that does instead.
- [50:32]
Sean
I've tried it in my dreams.
- [50:33]
Angela
You've tried it in your dreams?
- [50:34]
Sean
I've called Jesus Christ out in my nightmares.
- [50:36]
Angela
I really believe. I don't know where you stand with Christ. Do you believe in him?
- [50:41]
Sean
Yeah, I guess. I don't know.
- [50:43]
Angela
Yeah.
- [50:43]
Sean
I don't even know where I stand.
- [50:45]
Angela
Well, I. I just. I really believe that he's, like, trying to reach you through some of the guests that you've had on. And I. And I also think that it's really interesting. My husband said before we came in that there's, like. It's like a. It's like a territory battle. And I feel like that the enemy is after you and your platform. And he's been having these. These certain guests come on who aren't bad people. They don't know they're being deceived, but they're trying to come for you. Because I think that God really wants to use you to reach the nations. And more importantly, he loves you. Like, Jesus died for you as much as he did me. And, like my story, he has his own story for you, too. So I just want to encourage you and tell you that God sent me here today to do a lot more than tell people online for, like, clicks that yoga's demonic. Like, he actually sent me here to tell you, specifically, Sean, that. That he loves you and he died for you. And that the gospel is for you just as much as it is for me or Brian or anybody. Yeah.
- [51:40]
Sean
Appreciate that. Thank you for coming on.
- [51:42]
Angela
Thank you for your time.
- [51:43]
Sean
Yeah. We'll link your stuff below. Thanks for watching, guys. Check our stuff out. I'll see you next time.
- [51:46]
Angela
Amen.