Are Expensive Waters Just a Scam? The Shocking Reality | Cormac Hayden DSH #867

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour – "Are Expensive Waters Just a Scam? The Shocking Reality | Cormac Hayden DSH #867"

Release Date: November 7, 2024

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Cormac Hayden, Founder of Oasis

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1. Introduction to Water Quality Concerns

Sean Kelly opens the episode with a striking revelation about the true nature of bottled and tap water. Through his conversation with Cormac Hayden, Kelly delves deep into the pervasive issues surrounding water quality in the United States and globally.

Notable Quote:

Interviewer (Sean Kelly) [00:30]: "Apparently, these bottled water companies are literally using tap water."

2. The Deceptive Nature of Bottled Water

Cormac Hayden exposes the misleading practices of bottled water companies. He explains that many brands labeled as "spring water" or "sparkling water" are essentially processed tap water. Despite marketing campaigns that suggest purity and natural sources, the reality is often far from it.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [00:34]: "Most of them. And what's crazy is that you'll get a lot of bottled water that's like spring water. When you turn to sparkling water, it's all tap water."

Sean Kelly [03:03]: "Yeah, I used to use one in college and I thought it did stuff."

3. Health Implications of Contaminated Tap Water

The discussion shifts to the health risks associated with consuming contaminated tap water. Cormac shares his personal experience of moving to LA and falling ill due to poor water quality, highlighting the high levels of contaminants present in municipal water systems.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [01:18]: "When I moved to LA, I came from the Midwest, drank tap water all my life, and got sick immediately. It wasn't anything crazy, but I started drinking tap water here and had stomach aches."

Sean Kelly [02:05]: "That's insane. And people also shower in it. And then the steam?"

Cormac Hayden [02:14]: "It's like a gas chamber, literally, because you have this steam and you're breathing it in all day."

4. Solutions: Effective Filtration Systems

Hayden emphasizes the importance of using advanced filtration systems to mitigate the harmful effects of contaminated water. He recommends reverse osmosis filters supplemented with carbon and VOC filters to effectively remove a broad spectrum of contaminants, including VOCs, chloramine, and chlorine.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [02:17]: "The best filters to get are like a home filter. You want to get reverse osmosis, but you also need a carbon filter on top of it."

Sean Kelly [02:44]: "I used to use one in college and I thought it did stuff."

5. The Misleading Marketing of Water Brands

Cormac critiques the marketing strategies of major water brands, pointing out that companies like Fiji and Lacroix use appealing imagery and endorsements while failing to disclose the presence of harmful substances like arsenic and microplastics in their products.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [03:22]: "When you turn to sparkling water, like Lacroix bubbly, it's all tap water. The cans are lined with microplastics."

Sean Kelly [04:36]: "Their marketing is crazy. Go to any luxury gym, any big podcast. They have big Fiji bottles because it's a point of status."

6. Cormac’s Water Scoring System

Hayden introduces his comprehensive water scoring system, which evaluates bottled water based on the presence of contaminants and adherence to ideal health standards. This system aims to provide consumers with transparent and objective assessments of water quality.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [05:03]: "How I rate the water is based on ideal scores. If we're not trying to live up to our ideal life as a society, what's the point?"

Sean Kelly [05:54]: "You're like the David Portnoy of the water world."

7. Challenges and Industry Pushback

Discussing the backlash from the bottled water industry, Hayden acknowledges potential legal threats and resistance from major brands. However, he remains undeterred, utilizing social media and public platforms to raise awareness and encourage consumers to demand higher quality standards.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [22:43]: "The goal is to have more brands launch products that are microplastic-free. Once we overcome this, we'll be healthier and live longer lives."

Sean Kelly [22:42]: "Do you ever get worried that the water bottle company will try to legally come after you?"

Cormac Hayden [22:59]: "As soon as they sue, we'll just post a video about it. Consumers will switch from them."

8. Expanding the Mission Beyond Water

Hayden expands his mission to include the scrutiny of other consumer products, such as supplements and food items. He highlights the prevalence of heavy metals like lead in products deemed healthy, such as dark chocolate and popular supplements, advocating for broader consumer awareness and regulatory oversight.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [12:10]: "They tested chocolates, dark chocolates. 23 out of 28 of them came back with positive lead."

Sean Kelly [25:01]: "There's so many things that we just thought were normal growing up."

9. Vision for the Future

Looking ahead, Hayden envisions a world where clean water and food are accessible to all. He discusses the technological advancements needed to achieve this goal, including scalable filtration systems and efficient distribution networks. Hayden remains committed to educating the public and driving systemic changes to ensure safer consumption standards.

Notable Quotes:

Cormac Hayden [21:05]: "I want to be as unbiased as possible, but I really want to solve the problem of giving people clean water to drink and clean food."

Sean Kelly [26:38]: "We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on, man."

10. Conclusion and Call to Action

Sean Kelly wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to take proactive steps in evaluating their water sources. He directs them to Oasis's platform to check their water quality scores, reinforcing the importance of informed consumer choices for better health.

Notable Quote:

Cormac Hayden [26:38]: "Check your water on Oasis."

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Final Thoughts:

In this episode, Sean Kelly and Cormac Hayden shed light on the alarming truth about bottled and tap water quality. Through candid discussions and Cormac's insightful analysis, listeners are empowered to question commonly held beliefs about water safety and take actionable steps towards ensuring their consumption choices support their health and well-being.

For more information and to evaluate your water quality, visit Oasis.

Transcript

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[Interviewer]

I was researching you. Apparently, these bottled water companies are literally using tap water.

[Cormac]

Yeah, most of them. And what's crazy is that you'll get a lot of bottled water that's like spring water. And because people will think about, like, oh, this or that. We want it to be from the spring, but when you turn to sparkling water, it's all tap water. Same with energy drinks. It's all tap water going through ro. And then they put it with cans that are actually lined with microplastics.

[Interviewer]

All right, guys. His first show, he's been making a scene all over social media. I'm sure you've seen this guy. If you know anything about water. Cormac from Oasis. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Cormac]

Thanks for having me.

[Interviewer]

You've changed the game for a lot of people's lives.

[Cormac]

Yeah, I guess so. It's. The water world is a crazy world, and not a lot of people know about it.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. When did you become aware of what was going down in the water world?

[Cormac]

Honestly, when I moved to LA, about 2 and a half years ago, I came here. I came from the Midwest, drank tap water, drank from the hose all my life, came here, and I got sick immediately. I didn't have to go to the hospital or anything. It wasn't like anything crazy like that. But I started drinking from the tap water here. Stomach aches. I couldn't sleep at night. And I looked it up, and sure enough, it's poison.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And now they just announced they're gonna recycle wastewater into the tap water in la, right?

[Guest]

Yeah, totally.

[Cormac]

To tap.

[Interviewer]

And it's already bad enough. I mean.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

I mean, most people drink put in their food every day. They drink it for hydration, they give it to their pets, but it's literally just toilet water.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

And if you look into it, it's 300 times the health guidelines of so many different contaminants that if you saw what was inside of it, no one would be drinking it.

[Interviewer]

That's insane. And people also shower in it. And then the steam, Right?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

This is the thing. It's like a gas chamber, literally, because you have this steam and it's just. You're breathing it in all day.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my gosh.

[Cormac]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

So you think a filter would help with that or.

[Cormac]

Yeah, for sure. Definitely. A shower filter.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

The best filters to get are like a home filter. You want to get reverse osmosis, most people know that. But you also need a carbon filter on top of it because reverse osmosis won't filter on all VOCs or chloramine or chlorine. So you want carbon filter, you want a reverse osmosis filter and probably a VOC filter. Jeez, I don't know. Do you use a filter like a Brita or anything like that?

[Interviewer]

I use a shower filter and then Brittas I don't trust because they're literally being sued right now.

[Cormac]

Yeah, apparently. Actually, they don't cover what they filter. Nine contaminants.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

And there's like 500.

[Interviewer]

I used to use one in college and I thought it did stuff.

[Cormac]

Yeah, same fill up the picture and the. With the filter. I'm the healthiest guy on campus right now. Turns out it's just. It's awful, man.

[Interviewer]

All marketing, right?

[Cormac]

It's all marketing. That's everything. Same with bottled water.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So, yeah, when I was researching you, apparently these bottled water companies are literally using tap water.

[Cormac]

Yeah, most of them. And what's crazy is that you'll get a lot of bottled water that's like spring water. And because people will think about like, oh, this or that, we want it to be from the sprain.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

But when you turn to sparkling water, like Lacroix bubbly, it's all tap water. Same with energy drinks. It's all tap water going through ro. And then they put it with cans that are actually lined with microplastics or plastic on the inside.

[Interviewer]

Are you serious?

[Cormac]

So there's just like so many layers to it. And then for the cans, the sparkling waters, the FDA doesn't consider them drinking water, so they're not required to share their water reports with any consumer. So if you try to call them, email them, DM them on social media, they'll deny you every time. They won't let you know it's in their water because they're not drinking water. I guess.

[Interviewer]

That's crazy. So Red Bulls monsters. They're probably using toilet water.

[Cormac]

Yeah, yeah, Red Bull. I actually looked up recently. They're one of the few that uses spring water.

[Interviewer]

Oh, okay.

[Cormac]

But most other brands. Yeah, you would think Red Bull, it's probably terrible.

[Interviewer]

That's what I thought. Yeah.

[Cormac]

Maybe you should switch the Lacroix for the Red Bull.

[Interviewer]

I used to drink Lacroix. Thinking I was fancy.

[Cormac]

I know.

[Interviewer]

Dud toilet water.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Just take a cup in your toilet, you're good.

[Interviewer]

And now even these glass water, some of them aren't good for you.

[Guest]

Yeah, it's.

[Cormac]

It depends. I mean, it's. You really got to look at the source. Like, you can put a fancy bottle on a shelf and say it's purely natural, but if you get it from. They can just get it from tap water and say it's completely fresh and it's good for you.

[Interviewer]

That's insane.

[Cormac]

Same with Fiji.

[Interviewer]

I used to drink Fiji too.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Their marketing is crazy. Go to any luxury gym, any podcast, Big podcast. They have big Fiji bottles because it's a point of status, and it's just. It's some of the worst water. They have, like, a ton of arsenic in it. Their. Their water sits on can in. In the bot, in the plastic bottles as they ship it overseas. Like, a lot of it is in the sunlight. It's just.

[Interviewer]

That's insane.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

That's how you get more microplastics from the sunlight. Right. Melting the bottle.

[Cormac]

Yeah, the polymer.

[Interviewer]

Now, some people think your scoring is strict. What do you say to critics like that?

[Cormac]

I think we're in a new era of. We've gone the past hundreds of years trying to survive and build this baseline of making sure everyone has enough food, has the right to medicine, has enough water. But we're in this new area, this new era of longevity, of how we can make our lives better and live longer and just have better lives overall. And so that's. That's what I'm fighting for. And I think, obviously people like Brian Johnson are kind of leading that charge of questioning, hey, maybe we have a ton of abundance now. You can go to the grocery store and buy anything you want, but is that stuff actually good for you?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

And so how I rate the water is based on ideal scores. And if we're not living, trying to live up to our ideal life as a society, I don't know, what's the point?

[Interviewer]

Yeah. You're like David Portnoy of the water world.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I don't see giving out many 80s, 90s, hundreds.

[Cormac]

No. No. Because I'd be lying to people if they bought 100 water and it was actually only a 50.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Cormac]

They could do better. What's the point?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

But if you set the bar high, I think the goal is for all these brands to change and to provide better products for people. Right.

[Interviewer]

What's the highest score?

[Cormac]

You've given the highest score is like a 95 to Halstein or Hallstein.

[Interviewer]

I haven't heard of that one.

[Cormac]

I think it's Halstein.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

It's actually I'm pretty impressed. They do the most, some of the most research I've ever seen. They get their water from the Austrian Alps.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Cormac]

And they, they tap this like natural reservoir and it's completely natural, very expensive. That's why I don't drink it. This is like a next runner up. But they test for pfas. Most brands don't test for pfas. PFAS isn't even regulated yet. It's in most of our water.

[Interviewer]

It's definitely crazy.

[Cormac]

It's definitely near top water and they've known about it for over 50 to 60 years.

[Interviewer]

So why do you think they are not regulating it then?

[Cormac]

The EPA just came out with like guidelines and recommendations and they're going to try to enforce them but it's the government like if no one is there to question them or these brands even, they're going to do the most minimal thing they can do. So that's kind of the mission is to call them out because I think they could step up and do better. But yeah, there's, I get so many messages each day about how someone's dad used to work in the army and on their site there was, they found positive PFAS in their water.

[Interviewer]

Oh my God.

[Cormac]

And they had died early from cancer.

[Interviewer]

What?

[Cormac]

So it's just like well known thing that PFAS is super correlated to cancer.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap. I didn't know you could die from that that quick.

[Cormac]

Yeah, I mean it's forever chemicals. You can't like, geez, you can't digest them inside of you.

[Interviewer]

Do you think tap water is fixable at this point or do you think it's just too far gone?

[Cormac]

I think it's a luxury thing. I think we'll need technologies like a fora or like companies like that or a ton of other filter systems like Aqua. True is a good one. Sans is a good one that figure out how to use this water because there's so many people and we're going to need the water not just for drinking but for showering and like watering. But I think the wealthiest people in the world would choose not to drink tap water because once you strip it of it goes through that process, it's just like eating a Twix bar. You're eating something that filled with a high fructose corn syrup, you're not going to want to eat it. Right.

[Interviewer]

Who would have Thought drinking water could up your life.

[Cormac]

I know. Water is water, right?

[Interviewer]

Yeah. No. Growing up as kids, we were taught to drink tap water. It was good for you.

[Cormac]

Really?

[Interviewer]

Where I was from. Yeah.

[Cormac]

Really?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

In Minnesota, it was the same thing. It was like you compare city to city and we thought we had the best water because we have the land of 10,000 likes.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Cormac]

And I looked it up, it's like we rated a 10 out of 100, basically.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap. What's the worst and best cities in America for tap water?

[Cormac]

Honestly, don't know. Off the top of my head. LA is definitely one of the worst. Major metropolitan areas are some of the worst, for sure.

[Interviewer]

Well, they used to say New York City was good, but I don't know if that's.

[Cormac]

It's not true.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, probably not.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Yeah, the. The source is pretty good, but. But the pipes are so old that it becomes super contaminated. You'll find good ones in, like, remote areas of Colorado or Montana or even in Shasta county in California next to mountains and lakes because they'll just tap the. The natural sources. Yeah, but if you're in a city like Miami. Yeah, you're toast.

[Interviewer]

So is this a US problem mainly or is this worldwide? What do you. What kind of DMs are you getting from international people?

[Cormac]

I think it's a worldwide problem.

[Interviewer]

Geez.

[Cormac]

The US has more guidelines in terms of. People have to share this data. Europe is probably the best because they have the strictest health guidelines, but nowhere else. No one's questioning this. Like, I get DMs from Dubai, all the waters and plastic water bottles. It's so hot out there, they have to be drinking hundreds of thousands of microplastics each day, Right?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

I mean, that's one of the goals, is to go test it everywhere because I think it's a worldwide problem.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. How are you testing these. These waters?

[Cormac]

We have a few lab partners. One is called Simple Lab. They're like my tap score. They're one of the earliest people. And like most prominent players, we have a few other labs, but it's really expensive, honestly.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

To test like a single bottle for everything from heavy metals to pesticides to PFAS to microplastics. Probably cost like 2000 to $5000.

[Interviewer]

Just for one bottle?

[Cormac]

One bottle, bro.

[Interviewer]

That's crazy because each bottle is a new batch. So. Yeah, you gotta be testing them once a year probably, right?

[Cormac]

Yeah, at least. And then many brands have, like, different types of water, so it could get expensive.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That makes sense why you charge for the site. I saw some people pissed about that. But if you're paying 2,000 a bottle, I mean, that's expensive.

[Cormac]

Yeah, that's kind of the goal. I mean, to me it's crazy. Apart from like the business side of if you're spending 10, $20, you're probably spending hundreds of dollars on water each month. Is it that crazy that you'd spend 5, $10 to know if it's healthy or not?

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Cormac]

I feel like people have just grown up thinking that whatever they get from the grocery store is healthy and like, they never questioned it. And it starts with like, questioning that.

[Interviewer]

And knowing, no, I see the value. It's definitely a psychological block because people are just like, it's water. You know what I mean? Why should I care? But I think people are developing some awareness.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

It's funny. Like I'll meet people who go to the gym seven days a week. They eat only organic, they do cardio, they do the sauna, they do the cold plunges.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Then they drink from the tap. It's like, bro, your body is 70 to 90% water.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Like that's the basis for your health.

[Interviewer]

So they're literally offsetting all their gains from doing all that.

[Cormac]

Everything, man.

[Interviewer]

Just from water.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I don't even go in pools anymore.

[Cormac]

Really?

[Interviewer]

I can't.

[Cormac]

Why not, dude?

[Interviewer]

Because tap water, like, I don't go in steam rooms if it's not like the highest quality gym.

[Cormac]

Oh yeah?

[Interviewer]

Yeah. You're literally inhaling tap water.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And bulls have chlorine and all this weird stuff.

[Cormac]

Yeah, it's. It's not good. I've avoided them too. Just cuz it just doesn't feel good.

[Interviewer]

No, it doesn't. You feel like after.

[Cormac]

Yeah, for sure.

[Interviewer]

Especially steam rooms, dude. I used to love steam rooms.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

I feel like I suffocate in steam rooms.

[Interviewer]

You definitely are.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Yeah. Saunas are good though.

[Interviewer]

I love saunas. Yeah. Are you obsessed about anything else other than water?

[Cormac]

Obsessed about anything else, health wise? I mean, for me this extends far beyond water. Like this is everything that we eat and consume. Right. Like AG1 is one of the top supplements. And I don't know if you knew, they have a warning at the back that says there's lead in this product.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Cormac]

And they tested chocolates, dark chocolates. Super healthy for you, right?

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

I think 23 out of 28 of them came back with positive lead.

[Interviewer]

Oh my God.

[Cormac]

In the dark chocolate. So my mission right now is to just break apart Every. All the products we consume and, like, figure out what's really going on here.

[Interviewer]

That's a great mission.

[Cormac]

Yeah, it's been. It's. It's been something I'm interested in my whole life.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Going up against big food and big water is going to be tough, but, yeah, I think it's valuable.

[Cormac]

Yeah, for sure.

[Interviewer]

I mean, they. They always teach you. You. You kind of got to question everything these days. If they tell you it's healthy, you got to ask why.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

And most of the times they won't have an answer or they'll ghost you.

[Interviewer]

New superfood, right?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Acai kale used to be a superfood. Now it has heavy metals. They're finding out.

[Cormac]

Yeah, it's. It's everything. Even, like, most of the sea salts in the world are, like, filled with lead, too.

[Interviewer]

What?

[Cormac]

Or olive oil. Like, you probably heard this, that they don't have enough olives in the world to produce all the olive oil. Like, how do you think they're filling the bottles?

[Interviewer]

Seed oils, Canola oil.

[Cormac]

Seed oil.

[Interviewer]

That's disgusting. I actually just bought Brian Johnson's olive oil.

[Cormac]

Oh, really?

[Interviewer]

Last week.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm really excited.

[Cormac]

His food is. Honestly tastes so bad.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Cormac]

But I'm such a fan. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I haven't tried the food.

[Cormac]

It's so bland. That's how you know it's healthy.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the problem. It's like, what line do you want to cross to get to this health point?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

And I mean, I choose to, like, optimize my health so I can have fun in other areas.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Like, I'm not someone who doesn't, like, go and have fun with friends on the weekend or, like, have a cheat day, for sure. But it's about optimizing 80% of your life so you can have fun, like, all of it, Right?

[Interviewer]

Absolutely.

[Cormac]

And not get out of balance.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I like that. I like that for sure. Fluoride. That's in water too, right?

[Cormac]

Yeah, it's in most water.

[Interviewer]

Is that in bottled or just tap?

[Cormac]

A lot of fluorides, like, because they pumped it into our water sources, it gone into lakes, streams, rivers. So it's in a lot of water.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Cormac]

There are a lot of springs that don't have it, so you can usually find some pretty quickly. But a lot of people say, like, it's good for you to drink fluoride, but if you. If you ask your dentist, they tell you not to swallow your toothpaste. If you look at the back of your toothpaste, they say not to swallow the toothpaste, so that's to avoid it for sure.

[Interviewer]

I remember getting teeth cleanings as a kid and they used fluoride all over my teeth.

[Cormac]

Oh, yeah, because it's good for your teeth. Yeah, but you just don't swallow it, you know.

[Interviewer]

Disgusting, dude. So what's the ideal water when it comes to, like, bottle? Because you hear spring, you hear filter, distilled. There's all these different kinds of water, right?

[Cormac]

Definitely. So from an ideal point of view is you want it to be spring, you want this spring to probably be an aquifer, and it had to be natural. So, like the filter is gone basically down a mountain. It's filtered through granite and natural sediment. It's picked up minerals, it's filtered out a lot of the contaminants, and it's done that for decades. And then it's naturally rises out of that, out of that sprain. So it's. There's nothing being pumped into it and then bottled in the darkness and then.

[Interviewer]

Kept cool in the darkness.

[Cormac]

Yeah, because the sun can activate bacteria and bacteria can grow in the water.

[Interviewer]

Wow. But no company's going to admit if they bottle during the day, right?

[Cormac]

Probably not.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Damn.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I didn't even think about that. But yeah, the microplastics too, with the sunlight.

[Cormac]

There's a company called Alive Water that like, markets just. That is they bottle at the source and they do it in the darkness and they pump it right into glass. So they're one of the key ones.

[Interviewer]

Interesting.

[Cormac]

I never drink out of plastic. I carry this thing around me wherever I go.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

If I go to a friend's house and they only have plastic, I don't drink it, so I only look for glass.

[Interviewer]

What about when you fly, you just don't drink the whole flight.

[Cormac]

I usually don't drink water. They at lax, they just got Evian and glass. That's the only one I'll do. But as soon as you get outside of la, it's.

[Interviewer]

Oh, it's tough. Vegas has nothing.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I had to choose between Smart Water and frickin Aquafina today in Vegas.

[Guest]

Oof.

[Cormac]

Yeah. Might as well die up there.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, right. Those are probably both zeros on your score.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

What about this hydrogen water? I'm seeing that on social media.

[Cormac]

This is crazy. So there's a ton of health effects, benefits when it comes to hydrogen water. It's definitely on the fringe, so it can't be guaranteed yet, but I've heard stories of people will bathe in it and their injuries will heal like 10 times faster.

[Interviewer]

Damn.

[Cormac]

Like they'll break their ankle and they'll bathe in it pretty significantly throughout the day and within days they can walk on it.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Cormac]

Right? It's, it's kind of expensive, but it has a lot of anti inflammatory properties so it's pretty promising. The other one is deuterium depleted water. This is. Have you heard of this?

[Interviewer]

No.

[Cormac]

I haven't either until recently. It's pretty wild stuff. It's. Deuterium is a form of hydrogen, but it's a stronger isotope, meaning it's like harder to break it apart. And most of the water on the planet has around 150 ppm of this deuterium in it. And the higher it has, the less able your body is able to like use it and break it down.

[Interviewer]

Interesting.

[Cormac]

But there's been studies of societies that have only drank deuterium depleted water. They live longer, they're having babies into their 60s. They're like just living healthier lives.

[Interviewer]

That's insane.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Having a kid at 60. Where do you buy that?

[Cormac]

You can get online? It's like really expensive. Like if you only drank that, it would be $5,000.

[Interviewer]

Holy.

[Cormac]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Do you drink a gallon a day?

[Cormac]

I wish. I can't.

[Interviewer]

You can't.

[Cormac]

I can't.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. That shit's probably $10 a bottle, right?

[Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cormac]

Shout out to the companies though.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. But apparently if you drink quality water, you don't need to drink a gallon.

[Cormac]

A day of water.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Oh, I thought you meant a deerum depleted water.

[Interviewer]

No, no, in general.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

I probably drank like four of these today.

[Interviewer]

So you are drinking a gallon a day?

[Cormac]

Yeah, definitely.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

That's important.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I mean, who knows? Dude, there's so much advice. You never know what to listen to. But that's why I like your, your scoring system. Because it's straight, objective, your opinion isn't a factor. If it has this, that's the score it gets. You know what I mean?

[Cormac]

Yeah, that's the point. And I'll have CEOs, these water brands, like call me up and like they'll like be like, I love what you're doing, but you should change this about your score.

[Interviewer]

And I'm like, CEOs called you?

[Cormac]

Yeah, all the time.

[Interviewer]

That's crazy.

[Cormac]

And they'll see when their score changes because they'll get a new report.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

And I'll get a text from them the day of.

[Interviewer]

That's Hilarious. I mean, you have a lot of eyeballs on you right now.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

The goal is to have more.

[Interviewer]

For sure you've crushed it. What was that first model video that.

[Cormac]

Took this, Took this off Probably Mountain Valley.

[Interviewer]

Everyone drinks that one.

[Cormac]

Yeah, they're great too, because if you're into health, Mountain Valley, they actually got a new report that was pretty good. But the point of the video was their old report. They had like 10 contaminant contaminants in it. And if you buy Mountain Valley, you probably think it's super clean.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

But the point was just to call it like, hey, if you're ordering this stuff, there's disinfectant byproducts in here. There's. I think there was radium in here. So it's radioactive. Like, do you know this? And people are just like, what? Like, I thought this was the best thing ever.

[Interviewer]

That was the first glass water I switched to and I saw that video. I think you gave it like a 58 or something. Yeah, I almost canceled. I have the five gallon subscription. I almost canceled it.

[Cormac]

Dude, that's crazy.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I pay for 4 or 5 gallon things a month and I give it to my dogs. Because people give their dogs tap water, they're probably taking years off their dog's life without knowing.

[Cormac]

Dogs and pets can tell is I'll give my. I have two cats and I'll give them tap water and they won't drink it.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Cormac]

They'll only drink it if I give them this.

[Interviewer]

That's crazy.

[Cormac]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Interviewer]

I mean, people just. They don't even know they're harming their pets. You know what I mean?

[Cormac]

They don't even think about it. Another thing is Mountain Valley is like one of the only companies that offer the five gallon glass jugs. So one of the biggest problems in this space is if you found a good water source, of which I found a couple. And I'll talk to these companies. They don't know how to ship it across the US and in these glass jugs. So there's almost an infrastructure problem of how do you get this clean water to millions of people across the world.

[Interviewer]

That's what I've noticed.

[Cormac]

Recycle it in a. In an economical way.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Because when I was looking at 5 gallons, it was really only one option. Yeah, Mountain Valley. And the rest were like sketchy tap water ones. So.

[Cormac]

Yeah, the rest is sparklets. Call again. Plastic.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely get the glass. That is crazy, man. Do you even drink sparkling water?

[Cormac]

No, I Can't stop water.

[Interviewer]

So even the glass one that. What's the fancy glass one everyone gets? It's, like, green. I forget the name.

[Cormac]

Oh, Pellegrino.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, Pellegrino, Right?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

That one comes from a natural spring, too, but has a ton of contaminants, so I don't drink it.

[Interviewer]

God damn it, Tate, stop telling people to drink tap water.

[Cormac]

I know, literally that and Perrier is just like.

[Interviewer]

Perrier is in plastic, so. Yeah, Yeah, I guess can't drink that. But they say it's good for digestion. But if it's tap water, it's probably worse.

[Cormac]

Yeah, it's probably better than tap water, but. Jeez, it's still like, man.

[Interviewer]

So you're gonna start doing, like, packaged goods, too?

[Guest]

Tbd.

[Cormac]

I want to be as unbiased as possible, but I really want to solve the problem of giving people clean water to drink and clean food and might. That might require building factories and shipping and logistics across.

[Interviewer]

Wow, you got big plans, man.

[Cormac]

I guess.

[Interviewer]

And you're young.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

It feels old, though.

[Guest]

Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I have.

[Cormac]

Ever since I was in school, I, like, I've been obsessed with building companies. And it's interesting is before this, I had an AI company. We were funded, but then I ran into this problem, and I started sharing with people, and I was like, man, the smartest people in the world can go invent AGI, but nobody's focused on this thing that's killing us every single day. So I kind of just felt called to do this. And ever since then, it's kind of just clicked.

[Interviewer]

Holy crap. There's a ton of money and opportunity for this, I guess.

[Cormac]

But there's like, once you do what's actually you're meant to do, I feel like there's more opportunity.

[Interviewer]

You probably feel way better too.

[Cormac]

Definitely making a better impact.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, no, I relate because I used to chase money. Now with this pod, it's different.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

I feel like you're bringing ideas to people and having meaningful conversations, and that's.

[Interviewer]

Porn, because people don't talk about this 100%. Like, you're just growing up and you're just drinking plastic water, thinking it's healthy.

[Cormac]

100%. You're also doing it differently. Like, you're pumping out so many podcasts each day.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, we got eight today.

[Cormac]

Wow, that's wild.

[Interviewer]

You're really grinding, but you're pumping content, too daily.

[Cormac]

Yeah, you got to.

[Interviewer]

I look forward to that. I. I was a little mad when you stopped showing the score, but I get it now. That I know you're paying 2,000 per bottle to get it tested, so, yeah.

[Cormac]

I'm experimenting for sure. The scores are back now.

[Interviewer]

Oh, they're back.

[Cormac]

Yeah, they're back.

[Interviewer]

You got a lot of heat.

[Cormac]

Too many. Hate.

[Interviewer]

You ever get worried that the water bottle company will try to legally come after you?

[Cormac]

Yeah, I'm sure they will. But what's good is that in this space, the divisiveness can always be, like, used in our favor. Like, as soon as they do, we'll just post a video about it.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

And then, like, because when we posted how Waterloo refuses to share what's in their water.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Millions of views on Tick Tock, millions of views on Instagram, hundreds of thousands of people saying they'll never buy Waterloo anymore. Like, these companies should be incentivized to actually buy do better instead of suing us because they're just going to have consumers switch on them. Wow.

[Interviewer]

So you really gave them a low score.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Well, not on purpose, right?

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, it's objective.

[Cormac]

I almost want brands to come and like, challenge us because that'll only help us.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. That's great, though, if they're improving their product. I mean, that's what you wanted.

[Cormac]

That's the goal.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

Most want them.

[Interviewer]

Damn. Well, what's next, man, for you?

[Cormac]

What's next? I mean, there's still a lot of work to do, Right. Like, millions of Americans still drink the tap water. Literally just toilet water. People outside the US have no idea what's in their water either. Just bringing this product to everyone in.

[Interviewer]

The world basically keep educating people.

[Cormac]

And then you saw the. The plastics and testicles.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

So the idea is like, you think water's bad, talk about every other food. Or do you hear about the. The light study too?

[Interviewer]

No, I didn't see that one.

[Cormac]

So do you know what the lights are? Oh, no, the lights are plasticizers. They're like, used to make plastic more flexible and durable.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Cormac]

And they're used in everything so they'll come off from factory runoffs. But they're also used to, like, wrap all of our food, all of our toiletries and our cosmetics. They did a test, I think, in January. They tested like, chipotle burritos, Annie's Mac and cheese, Fair Life Chocolate milk, and the recommended amount of phthalates you should consume is zero. This stuff had tens of thousands.

[Interviewer]

Holy.

[Cormac]

Is the one you had? Chipotle chicken burrito wrapped in alum aluminum. It was like 20,000.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my gosh. I used to eat that daily.

[Cormac]

I Know, chipotle is smack, but skip the aluminum foil.

[Interviewer]

No. I stopped eating it when I found out about seed oils. But that's even worse with the aluminum foil.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And I used to cook in aluminum foil.

[Cormac]

Really?

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah, everyone does.

[Cormac]

That's true. You gotta wrap it up after.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Cormac]

And even put on the grill.

[Interviewer]

Parchment paper. Right. Or just nothing.

[Cormac]

Yeah, Literally.

[Interviewer]

God damn. There's so many things that we just thought were normal growing up.

[Cormac]

Yeah, I know. There's. My friend was also telling me a study. Kind of gross. But they. There's a trail in Seattle and they hike this trail. And people will hike it so long, they have to go to the bathroom on the side of the trail. And now that they're finding that when people go poop, the poop won't decompose because it's so full of microplastics.

[Interviewer]

What?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

So it's just like we're at a point now where it's like, that's wild. And our body can't, like, get rid of it fast enough. And now it's at a point too, where men's semen count is like 50 less than it was 40 years ago, largely due to all these microplastics.

[Interviewer]

It's in your clothing, too. I just found out if you go in the sauna with underwear, you're basically putting microblasts, just cutting yourself in it.

[Cormac]

Yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

And people wear shorts and jerseys all the time. Cotton shirts for sure.

[Cormac]

Yeah, man.

[Interviewer]

Scary world.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

But it's also bright, like at the same time. There's so many brands that are launching products that are microplastic free. Right. So it could be a really good world. And once we get over this hump, we're gonna be getting sick so much less. We're gonna be feeling better later, having babies into our 60s, 70s. Like, it's gonna be a fun time.

[Interviewer]

That'd be awesome. Cause right now they're copped at like 35, 40.

[Cormac]

Exactly.

[Interviewer]

So 60 is great. And there'll be way less pressure on women. Cause I know a lot of women my age right now rushing, having kids because they only got like three to five year window.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Cormac]

You get to got to lock it down.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. You start freaking out for sure. So another 10, 20 years for them would be massive.

[Cormac]

100%.

[Interviewer]

It's been fun, man. Anything else you want to close off with or promote?

[Cormac]

No, nothing to promote other than check your water on Oasis.

[Guest]

Cool.

[Interviewer]

We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Cormac]

Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

[Interviewer]

Thanks for watching, guys. See you tomorrow.

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