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A
Dermatologists should be working with the biological dentist because we can help them achieve their goals with their patients. Instead of just treating symptoms, we want to treat root cause. A lot of times that root cause is a hidden infection.
B
Well, I mean, one thing I want to say, I mean a lot of people don't know really what biological dentist means. You're throwing that word around and people don't know what that means. So basically we're like healers. We're looking for toxicity. We're still going to make you functional, like you know, dentists, the way we're mechanics to kind of get you functional so you can eat. But the biocompatibility of the materials we're going to use is so critical. So we make sure the materials that go in there, there's no metals, everything's metal free, biocompatible with your body. It's not blocking meridians so your body can function properly. Because dentistry doesn't recognize that at all. It's just any kind of material that goes in the mouth is fine, but.
A
They don't recognize that the teeth and the body are really medical. It's not even connected. You're changing a wheel in a car or like it's not connected. It has nothing to do with each other. But it is so connected in so many ways that we're just talking about not just blood, lymph, nerve, but also.
B
So that's biodentistry. That's what you know. And we collaborated with other biological dentists throughout the world. Now foreign.
C
Guys, we got Dr. Ben and Dr. Sean here today from Smile Body. We're going to talk about oral health. Fellas, let's do it.
A
Yeah, man. Thanks for having us. Sean, it's. Thanks. Pleasure to hang out with you.
C
Absolutely. What's new? Since I've seen you, it's been almost a year now, I think.
A
Well, we're year in, in our new facility, the Smile Body facility that we built. That kind of, you know, I told you about it a year ago when we hung out last time and we're year in, we, we built this facility to kind of encompass much more than biological dentistry for your viewers. You know, we'll get into it, but with biological dentists, if anyone doesn't know what that is, but we combine that with a lot of therapeutics that are not being utilized in the world of medicine or dentistry with like, you know, hyperbarics, red light, infrared, IV therapies, just the whole medical side. Medical director and a pediatric clinic. So it's a 7,000 square foot facility.
B
It's never been done before. There's never been a facility functional medicine, biological, dentist and biohacking equipment all in one facility. So we're like so proud of it and it's been like 18 months now.
A
It's pretty exciting. You'll be there, you're going to come in?
B
Yeah, that's exciting.
A
February. February.
C
I can't wait. Because before you would have to separate all that, but now you could just go to one spot.
A
You know, you know why it makes a lot of sense for us is because that's how medicine should be. Where our, our goal is to bring the different true modalities all under one roof. More not only necessarily under one roof, but collaboration is the concept because right now we, we, yeah we, we have our team but really we're on a day to day we're actually collaborating a lot with medical doctors and other providers that are not dentistry to help heal patients like Dr. Pompa or other doctors in around the country. We work collaborate together because we have a big part on their therapy. Because as you know, the mouth is a lot of times the source of toxicities between besides heavy metals and hidden infections or you know, obviously root canals, you know, you know a lot of that stuff. All these things are so much impeding people's health, health issues and they can't get past if you don't get past that, these issues you constantly have that leak. So collaboration is the key is what?
C
Yeah, I did want to ask you guys about root canals because I showed him my scan and they recommended invented them but you actually told me not to get them.
A
Oh yeah, yeah.
B
Well we always talk about for a temporary fix, very short, temporary. If you're in pain, it's okay to take the nerve out and do maybe a root canal treatment. But long term, there's a lot of issues. Long term not only blocks meridians of the body, which is very important, causes issues, but it's releasing microtoxins because it's a dead organ sitting in the jaw and the body cannot regulate. Your immune system cannot regulate it anymore. So it's like a foreign body at that point.
A
We did our share. I mean Sean and I both did extra education root canals. We, we didn't, you know, you didn't.
C
Know at the high level.
A
We, we thought we wanted to be the best dentist we can, you know, and you know what you know. But after we learned about, you know, a lot of the issues with it because you know, every root canal tooth that's ever been extracted, if you test it and there's a lot of studies on this. There are, you know, inflammatory markers and bacteria that are leaking from these root canals in your body. And we see it all the time because we actually have the capability, we send it to get DNA analysts and we, we, we see the bacteria around these teeth and even the bone around these teeth. It's always unhealthy. So it's not a great, like Sean.
B
Said, hidden infections basically. So we do CT scans, you know, it's very critical.
A
You were saying cone beam.
B
So when we do a CT scan we see hidden infections because you don't have pain, you know, so people walking around with sinus infections, root canal infections and they have no idea they have these infections. So on a cone beam CT scan we can find it and that's what we're talking about. We see a lot of hidden infections with these root canals that cause, you know, issues.
A
I mean for people that have chronic health issues of any kind, can't focus.
C
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A
If there's Dr. Is functional, integrative and a little bit more knowledgeable, the first thing they're going to say is go get rid of your any kind of source of toxicity that's coming into your body. Now that might be if they're living in a moldy home. Right. If you only live in a moldy home and you're trying to get healthy, that's going to be hard to do. I don't care how many red light therapy beds you go on or, or.
C
Jordan Peterson's dealing with this right now.
A
No way.
C
Really bad. Yeah. His daughter dealt with a yeah. Even with their amazing diet that they're on. The moldy home.
A
The moldy home is perfect example. You're not going to get healthy if you're in a moldy home. But lot. What about that? Moldy home is your job. Because that's what happens when you have a source of toxicity in your mouth constantly, whether it's heavy metals, whether it's actually mold. Because cavitations, areas of cavitation. A lot of times there's mold there and you know what cavitations are, but a lot of people don't.
C
Yeah, yeah. Seven. Cavities.
A
No, no. Cavities is different than cavitations. Cavities. Let's talk about that. That's an important distinction. So cavities is an area on the tooth where, you know, bacteria and acidity has created a hole. Now we, you know, we want to arrest that and, you know, repair it and then prevent it. Obviously, that's what a cavity is. But a cavitation is an area in the jawbone, not the tooth, where either a tooth was extracted at one point or a tooth bud that never formed. Then this area, this empty space in the jawbone doesn't have proper vascularity and blood supply. Right. And bone has never filled into that space. Instead, there's fatty tissue and toxicities of other kind. All kinds mold. I mentioned bacteria, viruses, all kinds. Heavy metals. Yeah, heavy metals.
B
I mean, we have traps all the time. We're opening these areas up and. And there's just a huge source of toxicity. So like you talk about the functional doctors that actually refer people to us throughout the country, their smart ones realize the cavitation areas that the bony defects that he's talking about, they harvest so much microtoxins and parasites and garbage in there that is releasing into the nestatic system that is causing systemic issues. So one of our job is to find these cavitations besides the root canals that you were talking about that are infected and treat on these CT scans. And we, once we find it, we initiate them, they fly into the center, we go in there, we clean it out the proper way. They're supposed to be cleaned out. And we get emails all the time. They're like, doctor, Sh. Doctor, I feel so much better. My eczema is gone. My. My brain. Yeah, we've had so many emails from this week.
A
I had. There's so many SMOs I can share with you. But this.
C
Do this.
A
This week, this patient, after two weeks of treatments, she had some root canals taken out and cavitations done. I mean, we went and treated those spots and treated it in a way we can talk about. She said, two weeks after, I have no more knee pain.
C
I had.
A
She had major knee pain. She had major shoulder pain. She had. She said, all my pain, my body's gone now, and I. It's all gone. And the only pain I had was because I had broken my hand. But you know what? You have wisdom teeth extract, right? So when you're gonna have to. If you have to take wisdom teeth out, number one, a lot of times it's overdone. A lot of times it doesn't need to be taken out. But if. But if you have to take it out, it's causing a problem. There's a very strict protocol. We have to make sure these cavitations do not form, or else. That's the problem.
B
Now we have to check Sean now, see if he has it.
A
He is.
C
He's gonna come in.
B
I said, I need all four of.
C
My wisdom teeth out. They said to get the root canals.
B
How old were you when you took them out?
C
No, I still have them all.
B
They said I need to.
C
They've been telling me since I was 18.
B
Okay. Thank God you didn't take them out.
C
Really, the commission, they look really bad on the scan.
B
They're like, if you have to take.
A
Them out, take them out. But the right way.
B
Yeah, right. Like the protocol. He's talking about doing it the right way and filling them in so they're not an empty space. Because normally we just take them out, put some stitches, you go home and they tell you we're going to become a chipmunk for a week. That's a conventional way, but it doesn't heal. The top part of it heals on the inside of it because of lack of micronutrients, because stays empty, like you're.
A
Talking about, and it becomes this chronic, not only source of toxicity, but inflammation and a block in the meridians. Like I had a patient that had in this. This area full of infection. She flew in from New Mexico, she had heart palpitations for 20 years.
C
What?
A
For 20 years, heart palpitations infected? Yeah, because you know what, where that. That area is on a meridian line to your heart. Know meridians. So for the people watching, meridians are acupuncture lines. Acupuncturist work with these ancient Chinese medicine. Look at these energy lines that are there and have been there for thousands of years. Treating people's health by unblocking energy lines and making energy flow better. So for us in dentistry, these teeth Are aligned with these managing lines. So when we address any kind of hidden infection, root canals are blocking those energy lines. Metals, all kinds of metals, even metal implants, These block energy lines and then cause dysfunction in the body.
B
Yeah. People don't realize. That's a great point. I mean, people don't realize that teeth are organs. They're organs. Teeth are organs. If you, if you do chat GPT right now.
A
Yeah.
B
And say, what is a tooth? It says tooth is an organ. Right. Like right now you just said, oh my God.
C
I assume organs are soft, like.
B
Right, right. So, but. So what he's talking about is these organs are connected to other organs in the body via these electrical channels. So when you have a dead tooth or metals, it blocks those energy pathways.
C
Yeah, I have heard that.
B
Yeah. And then the cellular energy becomes lower and lower in those. Those other organs and it causes dysfunction.
C
Yeah, I've seen that map of how each tooth is connected to an organ.
B
Yeah.
C
So like, if you have a cavity in a certain tooth, it affects that organ.
B
Exactly.
A
That's exactly. So. So her, this one case after we cleared that same day, she was in tears with her husband saying that my. My heart palpitations are gone.
C
Wow.
A
So all these years of seeing cardiologists, this is what I'm talking about. You know, our, this medical system that, you know, treats people in silos. You know, there's a specialist for the heart specialist. Yeah. This has to change. And this is one of our philosophies at smile body. The reason we call it smile body is mouth body connection. And it's, it's about working together. The cardiologist should be working with a biological dentist, that dermatologists should be working with the biological dentist because we can help them achieve their goals with their patients. Instead of just treating symptoms, we want to treat root cause. A lot of times that root cause is a hidden infection.
B
Well, I mean, one thing I want to say, I mean, a lot of people don't know really what, what biological dentist means. You're throwing that word around, and people don't know what that means. So basically we're looking for. We're like healers. We're looking for toxicity. We're still going to make you functional. Like, you know, Dennis, the way we were mechanics to kind of get you functional so you can eat. But the biocompatibility of the materials we're gonna use is so critical. So we make sure the materials that go in there, there's no metals. Everything's metal free. It's biocompatible with your body. It's not blocking meridians so your body can function properly. Because dentistry doesn't recognize that at all. It's just any kind of material that goes in the mouth is fine, but.
A
They don't recognize that the teeth and the body are really medical.
B
Yeah, your head is cut off from the rest of your body.
A
It's not even connected. You know, they treat it like a car, like you're changing a wheel in a car or like it's not connected, has nothing to do with each other, but it is, it's so connected in so many ways that we're just talking about not just blood, lymph, nerves, but.
B
So that's biodentistry, that's what you know. And we collaborated with other biological dents throughout the world now and we just did a documentary, it's going to come out in Switzerland. We just did it next year. That talks about all people talk about.
C
So can you major in this yet in college or no?
B
No, it's just something you can do after, you know, dental school. You have to go and learn just like functional medicine, you have to go learn biodentistry and really understand it at a high level.
C
That's a newer kind of.
B
And so we're like trying to actually make an academy now to kind of like make standards for biodiversity.
A
Biological dentistry has been around for a while. Yeah, it has been around for a while. It was in the, I mean the concept started from the 30s even, where, where you know, Weston A. Price started doing research on looking what, what causes dysfunction in the mouth. And anyway, this has evolved over, over many years, you know, in, in where we are right now. And there, there's different academies like the IABDM which is about biological dentistry, and IOMT that teaches more holistic medicine and so on and so forth.
B
But they're academies.
A
They're academies. But there has never been a standard. So a lot of times someone can call themselves a biology dentist because they might remove mercury safely, but that's about it. And they call them biological dentists, but they, they don't even know what a cavitation is or how to treat it, if they do know what it is.
B
But that's why Smile Body or they.
A
Might still do root canals, they might call themselves a biologic dentist and still doing root canals, which is the kind of an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned. But unless it's.
B
Yeah, but that was the reason that, you know, we made Smile Body and we, we created it safe space that people like now we're blessed that people trust us to fly in to figure out how we can get rid of the toxicity in the mouth.
C
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B
And then we look at the body at the same time. So that's why small body like you were talking about and the toxicity, if it's brewing from the, from the head down, there's no way your functional medicine doctor, anybody can heal your body. And that's where we have to create small body.
C
Right. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, the toxic materials, I, I just learned about this when I got my cavities filled. A lot of other dentists use plastics, I guess.
A
Yeah, the white fillings, that's one of the things that people don't realize. Everyone knows, okay, the mercury fillings are bad. Right? Okay, they're bad. And you got to get them removed safely. That, that somewhat has become more, more people know that. But those white fillings, actually almost all of them have plastics inside that are releasing BPA every time you chew. So, so it's, you have to be, you have to be cognizant of that. In fact, you know how we put protective suits to remove these mercury fillings? You know, the, the vapor that's even coming off of this, these, the plastics for it's, it's not only. It's bad for the patient, bad for us too. So we want to protect everyone on all these materials. So we want to put in materials that are made of porcelain, more biocompatible, whether we're doing an implant or even fillings or crowns, all porcelain, most biocompatible material that's not releasing anything into the body. And you got to be choosing even the cements very clearly. There's a lot of toxicity.
B
I mean, Sean, this thing that you brought up is really important. I mean, yes, composites can release microplastics. Microplastics, which we. We make sure that ours doesn't. But just a little bit more on the mercury fillings. Not a lot of people don't know, like, they're going to listen to this podcast. They're like, oh, mercury fillings are bad. I got to go take it out. No, don't go take it out. You know, there has to be.
A
Tell that to the camera.
B
Don't take it out.
A
Okay.
B
So it's critical the way it's taken out. So, for instance, when, you know, I got sick from mercury poisoning myself, I was sick for a while. Yeah, Yeah, I got taking him out from. From people. Because when you drill on, when it's in your mouth, it's releasing mercury vapes. Okay. When EMF hits them, it releases double amount of mercury into your system. And then when the dentist drills on it and take it out, like people want to rush and take it out, it releases 3,000 microns of odorless, tasteless. Okay?
A
Borderless, tasteless.
C
You don't know.
B
And it sits on your skin and hair and gets absorbed. And guess where it goes. Thyroid, pituitary gland. And it gets into the blood, into.
A
The organs and the brain.
C
Yeah.
B
And then people say, I have Hashimoto's. I have this and that. They don't realize where it's coming from. You know, so don't go take out the mercury fillings. It has to be done. It is.
A
You know, Dr. Pompa.
C
Yeah.
A
And he. His journey, his. His pain to purpose.
C
Yeah. He almost died.
A
He almost died from heavy metal toxicity.
C
Yeah.
A
And he. He had neurological issues going on. He was. He's talked. He talks about it all the time, about how he was. Was to the point of, you know, wanting to depress and wanted to kill himself at one point. And, you know, it. It's. It. It's really a serious thing. A lot of times associate these neurological disorders with, you know, a lot of things, but the toxicity that's coming in your mouth from even these heavy metals, you know?
C
Yeah. For sure. How many of your patients have bad breath?
A
Well, our patient pool is not the average patient pool, but our. Our patients are. Are generally very in line with diet and. And nutrition. And so. So when they come to us, they've already done a lot of research, so. But of course, Bad breath can be coming from a lot of different sources. You know, a lot of times people think of it as, as a hygiene issue.
C
Yeah.
A
And that could be. But you know what? A lot of times it's not necessarily a hygiene issue. It actually, it's a sign of imbalance and it could be an imbalance in your microbiome, it could be a gut imbalance. So for us, it always starts from nutrition. You know, like how do you, what are you putting in your body, number one, because that's going to balance your gut microbiome, it's going to balance your oral microbiome if you don't mess it up with typical mouthwashes and toothpaste and ruin that biome. So, you know, it's. Finding that balance is the key thing about odor.
B
We tell people always do not use over the counter mouthwash. It's like all this stuff with alcohol in it.
C
Yeah.
A
And like, you know, kill 99 of germs.
B
Yeah. Like Listerine and all this stuff.
A
That's what they.
B
Which kills the good bacteria in your mouth, which throws off the microbiome, which throws off your gut microbiome and your own. So, you know, we always tell people in a coconut oil pulling is great. You know, water picking, just normal, just like basic stuff is going to start with be good enough. Do not use these over the counter mouthwashes.
A
I mean, horrible for us when we see our new patients, patient clients and we have a new patient experience like you'll have. We spent majority of the time not even looking at the teeth. Oh yeah, we're not. We spend most of the time talking to the patient and, and discussing things from the cone beam scan, their health, nutrition, gut issues. So the, the time, how much time you spend on looking at the teeth? I mean, there's a very short amount of time actually looking at the teeth. We spend a lot of time because it's what's happening here. One is a reflection of what's going on everywhere. And so this affects here and this, vice versa, affects the other way around. So if you're not looking at the whole body and discussing things about nutrition and what their diet is like, you know, improving their macronutrient intake and micronutrients, you know, the, the vitamins, as far as micronutrients and minerals. So there's a whole.
B
We go over all that.
C
I'm excited, man. I can't wait to see.
A
Bro, you gotta come.
C
Yeah. I need this.
B
Yeah, for sure.
C
Yeah. You guys are doing some cool stuff.
A
Yeah.
B
Did you already make an appointment to come now?
C
I did last year, but I. I canceled that trip, so I got to make another one. But I think in February I'll be back.
A
I'm gonna hold you to it this time.
C
Yeah, I'll be there. You got to dedicate a full day.
B
So it's a full day.
C
I'll fly in early before I start.
A
Yeah.
C
Out there and.
A
Yeah, and then you can do some iv. You can do a whole. You can spend the whole day. Yeah.
C
Okay. Let me ask you about the iv, because there was that. That viral thing about the microplastics in the. Did you see that? The I.V. therapy?
A
No, I didn't. Tell me.
C
So apparently some of the IVs were releasing a ton of microplastics into inside of people. Did you didn't see that, though?
A
No, I didn't see. Okay.
C
Okay. I don't know. I haven't done it. So I was just wondering if that was true or not.
A
Have you never done IV therapy?
C
No.
A
Oh, okay. So, I mean, there's different kinds of IV therapy. There are IV therapy, IV drips. You know, obviously, that you can introduce certain nutrients and. Sean, if you want to talk on that.
B
Yeah. I mean, there's ozone iv. You know, people know about Myers cocktails. Right. Vitamin C drips. I mean, there's so many different kind of IVs that we do in the center because most people that come to us, they're sick.
A
Right.
B
They want to feel better. So if you just throw them into surgery like we talked about to clean up the toxicity, they're not going to feel good. So we. We want to optimize their body with different kind of ivs to boost your immune system and. And get the inflammation down and clean up some of the infections.
C
Yeah.
B
And then also we. We oxygenate them with a hyperbaric chamber. Right. So hyperbaric. And here right now, there's a lot of companies, so at a high level to bring, you know, the plasma with full of oxygen. So when they go through their journey of going through the surgeries or whatever, we just talked about cleaning the mercury up and all that. They're going to not feel bad afterwards.
A
And of course, there's the photobiomodulation, the light therapy.
C
Weber.
A
Weber.
C
No. Is that red lighter?
A
Last year when we had a booth here, we were partners with Weber. You should go check them out. They use different wavelengths of light at the IV level. So you're kind of using those different wavelengths, like red, infrared, ultraviron, blue, green. And it has different therapeutic effects on the blood as it's circulating through your body so you can reduce inflammation. Detox has a lot of different kind of. So we do IVs with just light therapy.
C
Holy crap.
A
Yeah. The first time I did that was. Was during COVID when I had coveted. I went and did that helped reduce my inflammation in my body.
C
That's impressive. Well, we'll link the. You guys are in LA or just for now, right? Just one location. We'll link that in the video. Anything else you want to close off with here?
A
Well, yeah, I mean I would encourage people if you're interested in this just biological dentistry and. And you know, look us up under my smile body on our social media.
B
Perfect.
A
And website is mysmilebody.com and you'll learn a little bit more about what we're doing, you know.
B
Yeah, I think, I think most people don't realize that diseases. Most diseases starts from the mouth. So check your mouth, you know, and not just with a dentist. We're talking about. We're talking about like a high level biodentist on a cone beam CT scan. And you'd be shocked to find some of the stuff that you find if.
A
You'Re having problems you can't solve. A lot of times that's your mouth.
B
That's the most important thing. So and, and the good functional doctors, they always check the mouth first. That's all information.
C
Yeah. I'll get my scan at your facility and we'll go from there. Thanks guys.
A
All right, thanks.
C
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Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Dr. Ben & Dr. Shawn Javid (Smile Body)
Release Date: February 3, 2026
In this episode, host Sean Kelly is joined by Dr. Ben and Dr. Shawn Javid from Smile Body to explore the concept of biological dentistry and its relationship with whole body health, particularly the theory that dental issues (including materials, procedures, and hidden infections in the mouth) can block the body's natural healing processes via disruption of energetic "meridian" pathways. The discussion digs deep into the philosophy, controversies, and practical aspects of biodentistry, covering how dental health influences— and sometimes impedes— systemic healing.
Definition & Philosophy:
Biological dentists approach oral care by considering the biocompatibility of materials and the systemic effects of dental health. They work as "healers" looking for underlying toxicity or infection, avoiding metals, and using materials that integrate safely with the body.
Dental/Medical Silo Problem:
Traditional dentistry often ignores the connection between dental work and systemic health, treating the mouth as isolated from the rest of the body.
Dr. Ben and Dr. Shawn Javid passionately advocate for a paradigm shift in dentistry, urging recognition of the mouth-body connection and the adoption of safe, biocompatible materials and integrative protocols. They stress the importance of thorough diagnosis (including advanced imaging), caution against routine root canals and unsafe amalgam removal, and argue for holistic collaboration between medical and dental professionals to address chronic health issues at their root.
Their integrative Smile Body facility stands as an example of the future they envision for dental and medical care—a future where collaboration, whole-person focus, and patient education drive healing and prevent systemic illness.