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Not that I'm like, whatever. Like, like even like with women treat mistreating women and stuff. And then like they're awkward around women or they couldn't get women without money or wearing chains or any of this kind of stuff. And I'm like, when you can just talk to women and whether they like. Like women don't want to have sex too, it's crazy. Like, I'm pretty sure they do. And we're all here, right? How do we get here? You know what I mean?
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B
Okay, guys, got music artists here today. Clayton, how's it going, my man? Love the outfit.
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A
Good, thank you.
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B
Really unique hat and everything going on.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You got a stylist?
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A
I. I style myself. I've had people want me to style them before, back when I was younger and I just, I never did it. Really?
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B
Yeah. That's impressive. It's not easy to think of stuff like this, you know.
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A
It's a lot easier with money than without money, I think people like. But then. Yeah, so. And it's just trying to pair the right things. You know, a lot of people, they dress really corny though. We're like, they look like suitcases, you know, like, they'll wear like big like patterned like Gucci jackets and stuff. But that looks like the same like, like the bag. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I might as well just, you know, have a handle on the top of their head.
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B
Yeah. These days fashion's pretty important with social media, I feel like.
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A
I think it's. Oh yeah. I think. Think it's always been important though, in a sense. Like, like whenever you saw, like I'm such a big fan, like old rock music. Think about like Bowie or anybody like that or Mick Jagger or anything. They always like, if you see old interviews of them, they never looked like frumpy one time. It always looked like kind of like they were spending money on clothes to my opinion. I don't know.
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B
Yeah, no, I could see that.
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A
Oh, man, I'm already messing up.
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B
Nah. Even like pro athletes, though, they're getting recorded walking in the stadium now and they gotta look good.
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A
Yeah. That's huge. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
A lot of them shop where I shop because I'm tall and then they like take up. You gotta get to the store before they wake up.
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B
Is all your custom? Pretty much. Because you're so tall and got a unique frame, I guess.
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A
No, because of the. All actually the pro athletes coming in. Trying to dress like better has like helped me in the last like probably five, 10 years to dress like probably, like, 10 years ago, I weighed a lot less and it was like, I had to, like. So it was easier to, like, get into stuff. But now with, like, pro athletes being, like, so fashionable, it's like, it's been pretty easy to find clothes, believe it or not, because it makes so much big, oversized stuff because they know, like, oh, an NFL player is going to buy it or know this basketball player is going to buy it. I know one star shop at me and this certain basketball player, like, similar size. So if he doesn't buy it, I will.
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B
You're just swapping clothes with him kind.
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A
Of sometimes getting stuff that they're even going to sell to him. But then he just, like, doesn't show up or busy. I'm not going to mention who because.
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B
I feel like he doesn't want to be put on. On blast.
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A
Well, no, I don't think the store wants to be put on blast because they've sold me stuff that, like, they were like, well, we were really gonna sell it to him. But, like, we kind of like you better because you come in more consistently and you're like, you're honestly, like, nicer to us and stuff. So I'm like, all right. And then I wore this shirt out that night, and I was, like, worried. I thought, I'm like, if he goes to the same restaurant as me and sees me wearing the shirt he was going by, I was like, I'm nervous. I was, like, just sweating bullets in the restaurant. Just like, oh, like, what if. What if this he. Because it was a nice enough restaurant where I'm like, you know, there's chance that, like, if he's in town and he's already here, he might come by and go to the same place. And then, you know, I'm screwed. So.
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B
Damn.
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A
Yeah, but didn't happen. Thank God. That's good.
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B
Well, Vegas, that would happen. There's like, everyone goes to the same casinos, but I feel like LA is a bit more spread out, right?
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A
It is. It is. But people still kind of. It's like, spread out. But, like, a lot of celebrities go to, like, the same places, and they don't really the nicest. The best restaurants are, like the restaurants you wouldn't expect. So it's kind of like. It's like, strange. Like, a lot of celebrities go to, like, all the hype places, but the hype place is really, like, the food is mid. Yeah, it. I mean, compared to, like, the price of it.
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B
Yeah. And that's how it works with restaurants.
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A
It's inauthentic.
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B
Yeah, whenever there's high quality restaurants, it's, it's not the name brand spots. Yeah, it's a mom and pop.
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A
They'll have just also like, like a lot of like Japanese like fusion restaurants. And then like you can go to like Japan Town which is satellite like Little Tokyo is kind of like honestly gentrified now, but Satel is still like really authentic. And if you go there like the Japanese restaurants there are just like you like. I feel like I never have to go to Japan in my life. Yeah, that's not good wise. I mean people that I've even known.
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A
Have gone there who've like and gone to the restaurant with me are like this is the same.
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B
Holy crap.
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A
So I, I mean that's what I hear and all. And, you know, it's good because all the other people in the restaurant, like, are Asian people. So you just see, like, all Asian people, and you're like, if I see too many white people, black people, any kind of other people in, like, an Asian restaurant, I start getting nervous because I'm like, I don't feel like I'm at the right one, you know, like, like I'm, you know, because it's just it. I mean, you know, if Japanese people aren't eating the Japanese food, you know, there's something up, you know, 100.
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B
I do the same thing with Indian restaurants.
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A
Oh, yeah, that goes too. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. I'm the only white white person in the one I go to. Every time I'm there, it's 40, 50 Indian people. All the owners are Indian. They don't even speak English. And I get looked at so hard when I go in there. But. But that's how I want it with Indian food.
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A
No, that's how you know it's good.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's not like, I mean, what do you. Why just eat something else, you know?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So.
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B
Absolutely. Food is a big part of my life, though.
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A
I, I, unfortunately, it's a big part of mine, too. That's like, one of probably my biggest battle, you know, especially being an artist. You know, it's like, yeah, you're on.
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B
The road all the time.
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A
Well, they just expect you to also be, like, really thin and stuff, and I feel like you don't have a problem with that. But me, I, I've, I, I've fluctuated weight more than probably something that these fighters you've had on here. Trust me, like, I've gone from weighing 185 to 300 to back down and stuff back and forth pretty quickly. Just because, like, I started my career with 185, gone up to 300, been around 230, all kinds of stuff as I played college football around, like, at, like, three something. But, like, you know, you just, you fluctuate weight a lot easier. Like, with a, you know, you're pretty tall. I feel like you're tall. Me or taller. I couldn't even tell.
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B
I'm six. Six. What are you, six, five?
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A
Somewhere around there. So it's like, it's like, you know, it's just easy to put on one weight. Like, sometimes I feel like you don't notice it as quick. It takes, like, a couple months, and then you hop on that scale and.
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B
You'Re like, oh, guys, I've gotten Older. I've definitely lost a step. Like right now I'm 195, which is the most I've weighed in a while.
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A
That's still good though. Yeah, like for your height, that's, that's perfect. That's like once you start getting into like. Because you'll just notice like, like inflammation is like the number one, that it's all disease. Inflammation from what? Like people tell me. So it's like if all diseases inflammation, it's like you gotta think like inflammation. All that stuff is stored in fat and carrying too much fat on your body, being disproportioned. And we're probably like, you know, modern society. One of the first people that have really carried all this fat. Because you think about it, everybody used to just walk everywhere or before, like industrialism and stuff and like mercantilism. Everybody had a trade, right? Like blacksmiths, fishermen, all this. So it was all, it was all active stuff. Right. And then now it's like all jobs are kind of like passive. Like they're very, like cerebral, very computer heavy, very. Like that. Like, even if I'm playing an instrument or singing, I might be standing or sitting for 10, 12 hours, you know, it's not, it's not really. It's not the same as like what our ancestors had to do.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I think part of it's the food, but part of it's also like the way we've, like our lives have become, you know, or just not as involved and stuff.
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B
More sedentary. Yeah, I mean, look How I'm making a living. I'm sitting in a chair podcasting all day.
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A
Yeah, I didn't want to like that. I feel like now like, like a dick saying that. But like, no, I sit in a chair a lot too, to play guitar and stuff.
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B
I acknowledge it. I. I'm aware of it. I have to take 10, 000 steps a day outside of podcasting. Like I have to dedicate time. But I think it's only going to get worse with AI because now we're going to become more reliant on that. People are going to get lazier and lazier.
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A
Yeah, I mean I've had. It depends on like what your job is. So like, I don't. I think it's going to be hard for people to replace anything that's creative because I've tested AI itself just to say like, hey, I write a song and then tested like and wrote a song at the same time. AI and then like kind of mapped both songs and there's programs. I can write songs and stuff and be like, I'll smack AI like, that's for now. Forever. Nah, forever.
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B
It's gonna get better.
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A
I'll stand on that. I'll give you this pinky. If not really, do you think in.
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B
30 years it won't?
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A
In 30 years I'll mail you this. I swear, like on everything. Like, it's not because it can't. It's like there's something like you've heard the whole thing about like cars, right? And like how like the self driving thing is like, doesn't work because like humans have the natural intuition to like know if somebody's going to swerve over or not before they even put on a blinker, before they even turn the wheel or anything. We're naturally connected and stuff. AI is just a compilation of our connections and everything throughout that we've built up, but it's not actually our live connection as of right now. So if, unless they make a different form of AI that I'm not aware of that they could be developing. But as this AI now, if it progressed, I think yes. Will it replace a lot of office jobs? Will it replace a lot of, you know, tech things? A lot of things that honestly I'm not too versed in those situations, but I think it will replace a lot of those things. But creators and artists I think is the last thing it's going to replace. I mean, I just have seen like the use of AI even in music and it's been very corny to me. It's been very obvious. It's been. It's just. Like I said, it's derivative because all can do is derive from things. And people say all music is derivative. And it's like, to an extent, but it's still a lot of like. Like, I could give you sheet music for a song. Like I'm classic channel flamenco guitar. I could give you sheet music for a song. And if you, you can follow the directions and everything, but the feeling of it, one ensemble is going to play it different than the next because there's so much feeling in it. So if you take a band, you're like, I want to sound exactly like this band. How's AI going to feel something when I've had deep talks with AI when it admits it doesn't have feelings yet? And so, yeah, yeah, it doesn't. But if it does have feelings, is it just replicating our feelings? You know what I mean? So it's like, is it just a replication of human feelings? You know, so that's really what the question is. So I, I have no fear of AI. I think AI is going to be a useful tool. I think there's going to be artificially intelligent beings walking around that are very helpful to society and going to further progress. I don't view an AI take over like some Terminator type shit. I don't. I don't. I'm not, I'm not worried about that. I mean, you know, maybe eventually there could be something like that, but in the next 30 years. No, not in my lifetime, for sure.
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B
Not moving fast, though, man. I'll say this. I just went to Miami. I saw two AIs that kind of blew my mind. So the first one was I checked into my hotel using AI.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They provided blank hotel room keys and I scanned it on the machine myself and AI checked me in. The second one was at the airport on the way back. So you know how people normally push the wheelchairs?
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A
Yeah.
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When there's overweight people on the flight now, that's AI.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So the wheelchairs are moving by themselves and picking people up on the plane.
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A
We don't push wheelchairs or check people in hotels, do you? So you don't got to worry.
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B
Well, yeah, I'm just saying, though, it's moving fast. Like it starts with that and then it's going to keep getting better.
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A
I get it. But it's not going to be able to put the feeling in music that people put feeling into stuff and it's.
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B
Yeah, music's going to be Hard. But there's a lot of fear in film and entertainment with the writing, I mean.
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A
Yeah. And I think that the easiest way with that is, like, actors have unions and all that kind of stuff. They just need to kind of all put their foot down against that and maybe, like, you know, not be such, like. Kind of like, be a little bit more open to different kind of, you know, like, right now there's kind of like, okay, you got to do this, this and this. To be successful in Hollywood. I'm not gonna really name what those things are, but everybody knows what those are. You got to jump through this hoop. This hoop and this hoop. You had to act like you. Like this, this and this.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So maybe if they kind of step outside of that and create something, they're like, okay. Instead of just like, us rebelling against, you know, like, some political shit or this, or us feeling this certain way, trying to line this way, maybe we should actually take our time and rebel against something that matters. Like AI that's actually going. Might take our jobs. Because if it does take the jobs. But I mean, I don't know. I mean, to my knowledge, I. I don't. Once again, I've never written a script. I've never shot a movie, so I don't know. I'm sure it's going to replace some cameraman. I'm sure it's going to replace a lot of, you know, lighting people or all kinds of stuff. You know, gaffers, different things like robots and things with intelligence will be able to replace that. But I just don't know if it's going to be able to make, like, a great movie. Like. Like, it has. I don't know. AI could have, like. Like, you ever seen that movie? Like, Enemy or anything like that? Like, that movie's, like, crazy. It's like, I like. Or what's the one where the lady's, like, stuck on the boat and stuff keeps repeating? I don't know if you've seen.
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B
Oh, I haven't seen that one, but I know what you're talking about.
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A
That. That movie will mess with your head. I don't know whether I'm allowed to curse or not. I don't know. Okay. Yeah.
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B
Sometimes he's stuck in a time loop.
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It's. I'm glad I don't remember the name of the movie because I shouldn't even recommend it to people. Like, it's like one of those where you're just like. I just don't know if I is capable of doing that ever. Because there's so much human emotion and human fear now. You got to think we do so much things out of fear then too. Now, how are you. You can program fear into something, but fears are natural things from, like, being, like, born and then going through stuff.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So unless AI has a way to replicate birth and to make some like itself have almost like this false birth. Right. And this false, like, traumas and stuff. Like, even so much of music has come through trauma and art and comes through that.
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B
Right.
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A
So I just. That's the one main reason why I just. I just don't see it being able to replicate all of the artistic aspects of humanity.
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B
No, I agree. I agree. I think maybe on the lyrics they can write some clever lyrics, but the actual emotion behind everything, that would be hard to write replicate.
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A
Yeah, I'm. I. I wouldn't. I mean, I would hope it could probably write lyrics, but I think there'd still probably be, like, derivative of something, you know, like, it would just be. It would be something that's like. Like, to my knowledge, it can only take from what is there, you know? Whereas I've heard lyrics that are stuff that, like, I'm a huge fan of libertines and I was joking around with AI, I was like, write me a libertine song. Because I just was like. I was like, I just want to see what it comes up with. That did not sound or had anything like libertine's lyrics. Like, I was like, it kind of got like, the essence of what they're about, but it wasn't anything like, like, anywhere close. And then it's because, like, yeah, the. The lead singer was not lead singer, but lead guitarist. One of the singers literally was doing mass amounts of heroin drugged up and sleeping and on chairs and couches. And, like, you can't replicate that. What is AI going to do? Shoot up heroin now for 20 years and can make a good song? Like, I mean, you know, like, it's got to replicate a lot of, like, feelings that people did and, like, a lot of trauma and a lot of things that people overcame that. I just don't see that happening, you know, at me personally. Like, I'm just saying, like, unless we find a way, like, like, you know, like brain surgery, they got to keep you awake because we don't know enough about the brain. So you got to think it's still humans programming this AI. So if we don't know enough about the brain, that they got to keep you awake during brain surgery, the moment they can put you under during brain Surgery, I'll be worried about AI the moment they got to still have, like, if you play guitar, they'll have you playing guitar while they're working on your brain just in case they hit something wrong, because they don't know what all the stuff in there does.
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B
I didn't know that. So when you get brain surgery, you have to be awake.
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A
Yeah. 100. Wow.
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B
I just thought they knocked you out.
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A
No, I'm. I'm. I'm pretty sure of this, and maybe somebody will correct me, and I'm open to that. But, yeah, they keep you awake during brain surgery. So, you know, I've seen videos where a guy was playing guitar because, you know, they don't know what everything in our own brain does. So when you think about it, the AI is a replication of human brain, right? So they don't know everything that the brain does. So if the AI is a replication of the human brain, and we don't know everything that the brain is yet, we're the ones programming that artificial brain is going to have holes in there. So that's the thing. So, I mean, I think that's why people say, like, yeah, it's moving fast. It's going to be able to replace jobs where people don't actively use their brain or don't have to think outside the box or, you know, there's been a lack of, especially I think, in this country of people, you know, you know, what is, like, humble, but, like, humility.
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B
That's not humility.
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A
Humility. There's a lack of humility. So a lot of people don't know, like, oh, let me smile and have good service and everything. They could probably program a robot to smile better than a human right now. You know what I mean? And if I'm sure, like, like, I don't know, like, some hotels you check in, it'll be a nice hotel. Somebody would be sitting there, like, all sour puss face. It's like, come on, like, you know, smile. You know, it's like, you know, like, what else you're not gonna, like? I mean, I'm Eastern European. We naturally don't smile. And I still, like, I remind myself, you know, I put in, like, a little small clock on my head, like, all right, boom. Smile, you know, okay, bust out a smile just so people don't think you're.
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B
Angry, you know, so you're not getting a neural link anytime soon.
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A
I don't know about that because I got other, like, physical issues with my ears and stuff. So I'm like, I wouldn't be.
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B
I don't think I've got tinnitus or hearing loss.
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A
I got like SCDs and Meniere's and tinnitus and all that stuff.
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B
Yeah, I got tinnitus in my left.
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A
Ear, but I'm about to do regeno kind.
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B
Is that stem cells? What is that?
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A
I've done stem cell injections through my ear.
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B
Oh, my God.
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A
Which I do not. Don't do.
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B
That sounds painful, dude.
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A
Well, they can only numb one side, so. Yeah, it's as. It's like. It's one of the most painful things ever. Because when they break on through to the other side, you know, shout out the doors, they like you. I mean, it literally feels like somebody's stabbing your brain.
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B
Geez.
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A
And. And they got to put that needle in there for a while. And I'm like. I literally see, like my feet were like, like twitching, like, in pain. And like, just like. Like, you know, like those forced tears of pain where you can't even, like, stop them. Yeah, yeah, like. Like, you know what I mean? It's like. Like, it's like plucking a nose hair type thing. It's like. It's like that just starts streaming and I'm just like. It's not even like crying. It's like, just like that pain. So that, that. And I've had that. And the problem with stem cells is that they're just so gate kept, so they're so expensive, especially in this country.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And the regenerative thing is basically they take out your blood and then they add like, protein back into it and kind of like rebalance stuff. And I know Dana White got it done in Germany. It was made by this doctor in Germany and can help with all kinds of different inflammation things because most diseases are. Most problems with the body either stem from inflammation or inflammation itself. So from what I'm told, you know, at least once again, I'm not a doctor, so it's like, you know, I've.
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B
Heard that from reputable doctors.
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A
Okay, good. So, you know, at least somebody can, like, at least the reputable people can back me up, because last thing I want to do is give medical advice with no college degree. You know, probably not the best idea, but damn.
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B
So that I've heard of that. It's like blood cycling. It also removes the heavy metals from your bloods and like the vaccine stuff and the parasites. Right.
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A
Well, I never been vaccinated.
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B
Well, you got the childhood ones.
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A
I don't know if I did.
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B
Really.
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A
I don't know. Like, I Don't know which ones, but I know I don't think I might have. Not even got. I don't think I got, like, chickenpox, any of that stuff.
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B
Oh, wow. So your parents were pretty aware back in the day then.
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A
We're Eastern Europeans, so not necessarily where we just, like, you know, I didn't go to eye doctor till I was 28. You know, like. And then they said, like, you need glasses. I'm pretty late. So, like, you know, just like. You know, just different priorities. It's more of like, shut up and work type philosophy. Like, so versus, like, oh, I'm sick. Well, no, you aren't. Yeah, kind of. That's just kind of like the whole, like, our tradition is just like, work, then die.
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B
Similar to Asians.
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A
Yeah. I mean, not far away from it. So basically similar. Yeah. It's just you work, then you die. That's just kind of what we believe in and kind of what I believe in. I'm just going to work and then die, die, and then that's. That's it.
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B
And so you don't have any passion outside of work right now?
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A
No, none.
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B
You serious?
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A
I'm serious. I don't do anything.
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B
Like, you don't do any hobbies for fun, like video games or.
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A
Well, I played, like, video games before, but I'm not. Like, they kind of, like, they passed me by, you know, like, I don't know, fork, knife and. What's it called?
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B
Cod. Call of Duty, bro.
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A
That they move so fast now. Like, I played, like, Modern Warfare 2.
- [25:38]
B
Yeah. And they're on, like, Black Ops 5, I think now.
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A
Yeah. Like, I wouldn't even know. I think the furthest I ever got was, like, Black Ops 2 or something. And then the only one I could probably still play occasionally, and I think I could have almost gone pro and it was Halo, because I could probably still pop on Halo today and, like, just go crazy. I feel like I could have gone pro, but maybe that's just like, a delusion in my head. That. Or was the one when you. You're a car and you kick soccer balls. Oh, Rocket League.
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B
Rocket League, Yeah.
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A
Yeah, that one. I feel like I could. I don't know if they have pro Rocket League.
- [26:13]
B
They do.
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A
They do.
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B
Yeah. Okay. So you do stuff outside of work?
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A
I don't do that really anymore, but because my work takes up so much time. But if I'm saying I feel like I could go pro in those if I had to go pro in a video game, I don't do. I'm Trying to think of what I do outside of work, family. All my family's mostly dead, besides my dad, so not really. And then, like. Or they're just, like, living in Cleveland. And no offense to Cleveland, they probably won't watch this, so it's fine. It's a hole. So.
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B
Yeah, it wasn't my favorite.
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A
Yeah, it's not that nice. So, you know, I just don't really, you know, I've even lived there before, so I wouldn't really go there. And then, like. So, no, not really. No family. I don't really have any friends I hang out with or anything. Like, I don't really believe in that, especially being in la, because I. Bro, I had, like, one dude who messaged me, it was all into my music back when I was a solo artist. And he was, like, messaging me, calling me, call me. He's like, trying to call me crazy, like, calling me, like, not crazy, but calling me crazy amount of times, and sends me a text and this. It's like December 23rd or sometime around then, like. And then, like, sure enough, like, I hear on the news later, he murder suicided his girlfriend and her two kids.
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B
Holy crap.
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A
And I was just thinking in my mind, I'm like, that's why I don't got friends. I'm like, you don't know who you're friends with in la. I'm like, especially, I'm gonna wait till after this diddy trial and then I'll let. I'll let you know if I have any friends, you feel me? Like, like, until then, I don't know anybody. You see me in a picture with somebody, I don't know who they are, you know, until they. I'll see who you know. I never went. Like, I said, thank God. I'm. I'm not the partying type. So. I never really went to any parties. Not even in high school. I never went to a single high school party. I didn't go to prom. I didn't go to.
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B
Like, frat parties. In college.
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A
I did do that because I played football. So, like, you could just like, walk into them when you play football.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And the frat people are nice, actually. I mean, I know they get a bad rep and stuff, but they're actually nice.
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B
Well, nice to you. You're on the football team.
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A
Okay.
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B
Regular guys.
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A
Okay, maybe not. I don't know. This maybe. I don't know. I just like. But they, they, they. I felt good energy when I was there and obviously, like, I had, like, teammates and stuff in college and High school and stuff that you kind of, like, pal around with, you know? You know, Florida, we just, you know, put fireworks and mailboxes and stuff and just, you know, shout at people, throw stuff at them.
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B
Yeah. Y' all Floridians are. Are different.
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A
Yeah. I've kind of, like, realized when I was saying out loud, like, maybe some of this stuff isn't, like, the best to say, but it's like. It's just kind of, like, youthful stuff. Like. Yeah, we just would, like. We used to just, like, put, like, M80s and mailboxes, and they would just, like, get, like, bigger. Like. What's that? Not explode, but implode. Where it gets like. You know what I'm saying? So. And then you just put the string. You light it, and you just will do, like, a whole. Your whole. The goal is to get, like, a whole street for, like, everybody's mailbox is fucked up. I don't know if that's a crime or not. I don't think so.
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B
Yeah, I used to ding dong ditch.
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A
That's not a crime only.
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C
No.
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B
But then I started stealing mail, and that's kind of where I drew the line.
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A
Yeah, I guess it depends.
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B
I mean, it's illegal, right? So I'm like, yeah, I called the cops once. I was like, I'm done doing this on you.
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A
And they did they know it was you.
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B
I got away. I was a kid. I ran away.
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A
Oh, you're good.
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B
But it was dumb. Like, I was stealing out of the mailbox, random letters and stuff that. That didn't even matter.
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A
Like, yeah, that is. That is dumb. But I feel like part of that's, like, growing up, you know? Like, if you don't do that. If you don't do that as a child, you're gonna end up, like, I don't know.
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B
You got to get it out of you. We all got that little demon or whatever.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, that bad voice in our head.
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A
Like, I. I accidentally burned a public restroom. The ground. It was on the news.
- [30:17]
B
Holy.
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A
And, like, I. I don't know if he even knows about that, but that was when I was, like, young enough that I think this. The statute of limitations is out on that. Allegedly. Allegedly. You know, I. I may know of who burned it. May not me. I don't know if they can link that, but it was on the news, and it was just because we just lit a bunch of fireworks in a trash can and just threw a bunch of paper towels in there. When I say we, me and my friend, watch. So just not really but yeah, just. I don't know. So. I don't know. You just see that shit in Florida, like, people would steal shit from, like, cars and stuff. Usually just like, sunglasses and stuff. I never did that. Because, you know, what? If someone knew, like, it's so sunny, I felt bad, you know, I was your reason. Yeah. And also, I don't like to, like, really. I never really, like, like, robbed anybody too many times, you know, Like, I.
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B
Never really felt like only one time was enough.
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A
I can't. I'm not. If I ever did, I would never talk about that. You know, I try to keep a clean image. The other stuff, I can kind of talk about it because it's like mischief. But if I ever did, which I. I wouldn't think I would be the type of person. You can look at me. I don't look, you know, this hat.
- [31:30]
B
And you're pretty big, man. You're pretty intimidating.
- [31:33]
A
Nah, bullets don't discriminate.
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B
£300.
- [31:37]
A
Everybody got guns in Florida. Yeah, you saw bullets don't discriminate. You know, 9 millimeter, 40. Anything would take me down the same as it take down anybody. You know what I mean? Same as take down somebody. 59150.
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B
Just might need a few more shots, maybe.
- [31:52]
A
Depends on how well player placed, you know. You know, two in the center mass, one in the head to finish off, if anything, is what I mean.
- [31:59]
B
Hey, 50 Cent survived, what, 20 shots. Something crazy.
- [32:04]
A
It wasn't as that many, but it was something crazy. It was actually like, oh, well, nah, he. He watches everything. So I don't want to start anything with him, but it was like, the same amount as, like, Tupac, but they added more shots to it to like, make him. To try to make it, like, different, make him tougher. Just to try to, like, differentiate it. Because I didn't want overlap of the story, you know?
- [32:30]
B
Yeah.
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A
To kind of give him his own story. I think so. I think that's the only thing that's like, that I know about him that's kind of a little bit fabricated, you know, but not to throw shade. No, I think so many people know about that. And he has so many hit songs, so who cares? And it's made so many great business deals and everything. So I don't think he cares now about it, but probably 20 years ago cared, you know, if somebody said something about it.
- [32:52]
B
Yeah. You know, now I know you transitioned from. From hip hop to rock was just a safety aspect. Any reason of it?
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A
Like, hell, no, I don't care.
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B
You don't care about that stuff.
- [33:02]
A
And honestly, you'd be surprised about how many rappers were, with the exception of few that really are, like, live that life. You'd be surprised. Like, I'm not even gonna say the artist, but there was one time, one rapper who talks all kinds of crazy gang. When he got in the room with me, couldn't even look me in the eyes, bro. Really, literally was, like, looking out at the floor and then was. So he's talked about, like, women and stuff and everything. So I'm like, we were in Atlanta, so I'm like, I'll just have, like, you know, some, like, strippers come through and get naked in the studio and have some money for him to throw and all this stuff and, like, try to show them a good time. Because I'm like, oh, I figure, like, roll the red carpet for this kid. And sure enough, like, he was even awkward around the women and stuff. And I'm like, wow. I think everything he said is cap. And it turned out later that kid actually did snitch on another rapper or something. So I was kind of right. So all the music we did just got, like, muted, like, you know, because it was like, not that, like, I really care about that kind of stuff, but in hip hop, you can't really.
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B
Like, no snitching in hip hop.
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A
And I don't really, like, you know, I don't really believe in, like, I'm a borderline, like, anarchist when it comes to the kind of. That stuff. Like, I don't think half this stuff should be crime. So I'm like, I miss. I, like, glorify, like, the old west, like, days, you know, where people could just shoot out if they had a problem. You know, they. They met in a certain place and made sure, like, you know, everybody kind of shut the doors. And they. They met in, like, the middle of town where it felt like there could be nobody caught in the crossfire and stuff. So I feel like that. That there's some beauty to that because that's like. Or, you know, or like, even going back to, like, founding father stuff, people dueling and all kinds of things like that. Like, they made sure no innocent people got hurt, no women and children. But at the same time, if they had a problem that they felt like was worth taking a life over, which I've never felt that way any. About any problem. But they'd never got to the point where it's like, now people just pull up and do shooting stuff. Like, you know, pull up, and then, you know, innocent people get Shot mainly because they have bad aim. And number two, because it's just like they're pulling up to all kinds of bad places. So I was never supportive of that. I don't like violence when. If you haven't lived a violent life. I understand if you've lived a violent life and you're talking your truth and everything. But I don't like this fabricated violence that a lot of these rappers sell or fabricated drug use or fabricated, you know. You know, not that I'm like, whatever. Like, like even like with women trade mistreating women and stuff. And then like, they're awkward around women, or they couldn't get women without money or wearing chains or any of this kind of stuff. And I'm like, when you can just talk to women and whether they like, like women don't want to have sex too, it's crazy. Like, I'm pretty sure they do. And we're all here, right? Oh, how do we get here? You know what I mean? Like, so it's like, it's one of those things that, you know, I, I think just there was a lot of hypocrisy in hip hop. That's not really what made me leave, but I think it was definitely a deciding force. And then every time I kept it real, it seemed to bite me in the ass. So me not pretending to be from the hood, me not pretending to be a gangster, me not pretending to be gang affiliated, all that stuff. Me not like, like, you got to think about, like, it worked out for people. Like, I had somebody recently, like, talk about, like, how much less speed bumps. Like somebody like Tommy Hilfiger son has had in, like, the industry. Like, he. That, like when MySpace was. And you got to think that's Tommy Hilfiger's son. Like, like, what gangster life is he living? And then it's like. And he's like making all kinds of west coast music about this and that and everything. There's no issues, Let alone these new little white kids who are wilding out and don't live half of that life. And not even white kids. There's black kids that do it too. And tons of all these little kids are liars. And it's like, you know, and me, because I wouldn't lie and I wouldn't put the lies into my music. Then they come after me and try to fabricate my background or try to go into things and poke and pull me apart. And I'm like, okay, because I won't lie. That's the problem. Like, like, what should Have I lied? Like, I couldn't lie if I tried. So to me, it's like, I've always been honest. That's like one of my things. Like, that's like when I said, like, oh, if I does that, like. Like, Trust me, for 30 years, you might get a pinky in the mail. Like. Like, my bad. But, you know, by then you could.
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B
Probably regrow it with the technology.
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A
Yeah, my. Then. By then it might not even be a thing. But notice I chose a pinky that I don't need to play guitar, so, you know, I didn't pick the best one. Don't worry, I'm. I'll be fine without it. But it's like, you know, it's just. There's a lot of hypocrisy, a lot of lying. I think people are waking up to it now.
- [37:57]
B
Hip hop numbers are going down for sure.
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A
I mean, they're so fabricated, it's crazy. I mean, you can see, like. I mean, I've done deep dives into stuff. Well, just like, people don't even know what. Like. Like, now people start to talk about other people. So I feel comfortable saying that. But, like, people didn't know monthly listeners were monthly impressions. So, like, you know, Spotify works like a web page. It's just a web page. Any app is a web page. So it's how many people come to your web page. So it has nothing to do with how many listeners you actually. It has nothing to do with how many listeners you actually have. Has everything to do with how many people come to your web page.
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B
Wow.
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A
So it. The. The listeners mean nothing. So you can fabricate that the same way people have fabricated anything on the Internet. As far as how many. How much traction they can have coming to their webpage. That's not a hard thing to fabricate. And then labels, they all have systems where they have rooms like this, or even like this size where it might have a thousand or two thousand phones just running the songs, you know, 12 hours on, 12 hours off. And basically that just streams the song and gets up to these artificial crazy numbers. And that helps promote it because when people see that and then they have different, like, IPS and different routers hooked up to each of the phones. That shows like, you know, know. Okay, this set of phones is coming from Atlanta, this set of phones is coming from New York. This set of phones coming from Los Angeles. This ones are coming from Ohio, this coming from Miami, like, so all that stuff. So. And they just run up the numbers and that's how They've kind of kept hip hop surviving. But you got to think about all the overhead of that. It's a lot of overhead. I mean, all those, you know, iPhones, like, what they spend in at least 150, an iPhone, at least these days, more. Well, they use older iPhones. I mean, they're not going to use the newest stuff. They got to have them permanently charged in. Then they got to, you know, pay all the people to switch the phones off, because if the phones run too long, it kind of runs a red flag and they could have some stuff rolled back. That's why you've seen a lot of artists who've had a lot of sales, like, rolled back recently or, like, had their sales audited to where it's been like, oh, they sold. And then it said they sold this and went back and all that kind of stuff, so. Or you another thing, you just seen a lot of, like. I'm sure you've seen, like, the dip off between, like, people used to sell a million units in a week. And when there was physical sales and it relied on digital sales, there was still CDs. It was easy. They would just send people to, like, all the Best Buys or, like, I don't know, record stores were still a thing. And they would just send them to all that place and they'd have them clear out the shelves of the records and then buy all that stuff and just send different employees around the globe and know where they're going and just buy up a bunch of the units and invest money in that. And then that kind of made it seem like, okay, we hit a million, and then you hit Billboard. And then people kind of, you know, people are followers naturally. So, you know, people like to follow what's successful. So naturally they're like, okay, oh, that. That sold a million. That means it must be good, you know, oh, okay, that sold 500,000. That means it must be good. So all these labels have been doing that forever. I've never partnered with a label, which is part of the reason why I think my success has been somewhat mediocre, you know, because it's like, I just never wanted to be a part of the machine, you know, Even being able to transition from doing one type of music to doing another under a completely different name would have never happened with the label. Label said, okay, you at least got to drop this music under this name. And we're going to still shoot the videos the same way. We can't lose your, you know, old aesthetic, you know, and we can't Lose your old fans. Well, even if it's something new, like, it'd be like if you wanted to do something completely different, like you could just do that, you know? Yeah, but imagine if there was somebody telling you, like, oh, no, you can't do that. Like in it. It could be a side thing to it, or it could be a whole new chapter of your life. So it's just like, you know, you just don't want to be controlled by some guy and be essentially like a slave, you know, owned. I mean, it's.
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B
These 360 deals are ruthless.
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A
I mean, people are. I know people that are signed them when they were 18 and they're still signed into them at 30.
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B
Oh my gosh.
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A
Artists like that, like, I'm not. Artists that I've even worked with are still have to answer to their daddies, you feel me?
- [41:57]
B
No amount of money would.
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A
No amount of money. They don't. They don't. There ain't amount of money that can get certain artists out of it or artists that I guarantee you've listened to, like, and people I've worked with. And they still got to listen to their daddy. Their daddy who clear their songs.
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B
Crazy.
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A
It's so like, like, you know, they still. They still got a daddy that tell them, hey, you know, I feel like this, like, they can tell them, go to their room, you feel me? They can tell them, hey, you got a timeout, you know what I mean? Like, hey, you know, I'm taking this away from you. I'm taking away the pj, you know, like, they could tell them whatever, you know, so they. They still got to listen to that. So I didn't want to have that, you know what I mean? I wanted to just listen to myself and God, and that's it.
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B
I'd rather make way less and be on my own, you know, that's the.
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A
Way I saw it. I saw it as art like, van go nobody. You know, I. I don't know if this is accurate, but I've heard that he never even sold a painting. Never knew he was going to be successful, never knew any of that. And it's like. And still yet his paintings are hanging places. So sometimes art's not appreciated right away, and that's okay. Like, so I view it. If you're going to, especially as an artist, if you're taking the path of art and expecting money to come from it, then you're not taking the right path. Because it's not about the money. It's about the art. The art comes first. Always. So that's why, like, when you say, oh, do you have any hobbies or anything? No, because the art comes first. Always. My hobby is perfecting the art every day, perfecting the art, figuring out a way I can get better every day, playing guitar every day, working on new song ideas every day. Because that's what I owe the art. If my whole life is just the art, that's a life worth well lived. If I deviate from that, I've spent time chasing women, chasing this, chasing that. Everything that I've done has just been a deviation from the art and made the art less like of what it could be. So the art is what it is, and I can't deviate from that. And for me to deviate from that is breaking my personal covenant with God. When he made me an artist and gave me the ability to write songs. So it breaks my personal covenant that I have my personal gifts. You know, that's. That's me and my creator. My. Basically me saying, you know, like, you to the creator. I can't do that. So that's. That's the way I see it. Like, you know, and as an artist is that, like, I can't just. If I'm, you know, people say, like, to be able to write a song as a gift. There's a lot of artists out there that don't write their songs. I didn't know this. I've written everything I've ever done. So, you know, and people said, like, the drummer who drums, we have Josh Freeze from the Foo Fighters who drums on the. The stuff. Excellent drummer. And he said, I'm a prophylactic writer. Like, I can just write. Because we're so deep into so many albums that we haven't released on the rock music kick. Because I've just written so much, I just keep making more and more and more to where, like, I honestly could stop working for probably four years and still have music to release, like, because I'm already like eight albums already into it with only album two about to come out in a little bit. So it's just. That's just. But that's the way I'm supposed to be. Like, Prince released like 40 something albums. I got a Prince tattoo here. You think Prince had hobbies? Or was it, you know, like, it was just all about, like. I knew somebody that worked with him and said, oh, Prince was egotistical because he would just watch videos of himself on stage. And I explained to her, I was like, no, no, no, he wasn't egotistical. Prince was a genius. He was watching how he appeared on stage so he could give people the best show. All eyes are on him. He's not thinking it from an ego place. He's thinking it from, how can I give people what they paid for the best show? How can I show them what they came for to see? So when I think about it from that sense, I'm like, you know, he died doing what he loved doing, performing until the very end. And that's the way you have to do it as an artist. And if that's not what you're willing to commit to the art, then you're not an artist, you know, and that's, that's just how I've, I've, I've seen it like, you know, you know, my whole life I've never wanted to do anything else but just do music.
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B
Wow.
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A
So I feel like I'm privileged to be in this position. I thank God to be in this position. I think there's never been a scenario that I would have wanted more. So I think about that 10 year old me, right, that, you know, like, you ever think about like your child self? They could see you now, like, yeah. And so the inner child in me tells me, you did it. Like, you're here, you're making art. Like, this is perfect. Like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? Like, the inner child of me wouldn't have cared to go to a strip club. The inner child of me wouldn't have cared to, you know, oh, if you met this certain whatever and this. And powdered around with this inner child would have just been like, whoa, you're telling me you get to make music and people actually get to hear it and some people like it and you get to even go perform this music and you get to go do this and all this stuff. I'm like, the inner child of me would just, he would geek out, he'd just be like, you did it. This is what we wanted. So when I look at like that, I'm like, what could I do? You know, what could I, you know, other than that. So I'm just, I'm just, I feel blessed in a sense of. I haven't had the perfect, you know, linear path to success. I haven't had great success in certain things. I haven't. But my success is being able to do what I do. Just being able to do it is a blessing in itself. And that's. I know I, I sometimes talking about God and stuff makes people feel uncomfortable. My bad, I don't Know who you are religiously. But, and, but you know, I've, I'm not a particular, I would say I'm not particular religion per se, I would say other than, I guess, Christian leaning and believing in that. But at the same time, I'm not practicing. I don't go to churches. And really like, I find they squander money. You know, you've seen like shows like Righteous Gemstones and stuff like that shit's real. Like, you know, it's like they got these mega churches and then the Catholic church is, you know, a little problematic for reasons we all know, you know, like, you know, the whole, you know.
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B
Little kids, you know, any modern day churches.
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A
Yeah. So all religions have their problem. But you want to know what doesn't have its problem? God itself. And we can all tap into that. We know what's right or wrong. We know what, what is the right path, the path, you know, to righteousness. We just choose to deviate from that because we're all human. We're going to make mistakes. I'm going to make mistakes today. I'll make mistakes, you'll make mistakes. You know, everybody's going to make mistakes because that's who we are. We're not made to be perfect. And that's what makes us special too. Because through those imperfect moments is where we learn, you know?
- [49:09]
B
Yeah. No, I love your mindset because a lot of artists tie their identity to their numbers, that they're getting their streams and their plays and their followers, I think.
- [49:16]
A
And there's nothing wrong with that. I think if they want to feel accomplished and feel proud of what they've done, I think that's beautiful. I think that's beautiful. But me, myself, personally, I don't care. I care enough because I want to always go up and I want things to like, I think you're either going up or you're going down. So I care from a business sense, right. Because if I don't, then, you know, I'm not running my business properly. But as tied to what numbers I'm doing. No, if I have an album that's not a commercial success or whatever, that doesn't mean it's not good. That doesn't mean five years from now people won't think this is, oh, this is the greatest album ever or whatever. They just maybe didn't listen to it, you know, and there's a lot of music out there that I've heard that people may even forgotten or never listened to and you know, so many great songs that whatever. So it's just. I think, yeah, a lot of people tithe their stuff to that because that's what they have to hang their hat on. And if that's what they have to hang their hat on, there's nothing wrong with that. I think that that's still. That's a beautiful thing, you know, like. Like there. But me, myself, personally, I think, you know, that's might not be my path. My path might be not number one. My path might not be Billboard. My path might just be creativity and letting some kind of higher power take over me. When I make music, I make it fast. The songs just come to me. Don't feel like me. Don't feel like. It feels like something else. Somebody else walked in the room and. And just, boom, starts taking over hands.
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B
It's like you're channeling almost.
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A
I. I don't know. Possibly, you know, but it, like, so much so that, like, I made whole albums and then had to go back when I wanted to perform them to, like, learn how to replay them. Wow. Because I literally forgot not only the words, the guitar parts that I played, everything and. Or even what guitar I played it on, because the tone's very different and stuff for depending on the guitar. And I don't want to get into too much guitar nerd, because if I do, you'll never. You'll lose me there, I'll lose you there, and then I'll lose everybody there. And trust me, because I know this. Recently, like, even we had Josh freeze in a session. He was trying to say, like, oh, this guitar solo, so dope. I'm like, that's because it's on a 1963 Jazz Master to run through a big month. And then my engineer goes like, he doesn't give a. What you played it through. He cares. He's saying, the melody of the guitar is dope here. And I'm like, oh. Oh, my bad. So I just said, I'll talk guitar nerd forever. I feel like. But, yeah, I think there's. There's an aspect of channeling with all creativity stuff. And I. That's why I think, like, can I AI Channel? It's like, do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? You know, like the Philip K. Dick shit. So I'm excited to see if we ever get to that point of AI. And if we do, then I think that's the next stage in evolution. And it's like, you know, and if that is the next stage in evolution and we are passed by, then we just have to accept we're dinosaurs. You Know what I mean? And that's fine. That's okay.
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B
We'll see what happens. When's the next album dropping? Is it this year?
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A
I think the 16th of whatever this month is of May.
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B
That's next week, right? Because today's the 10th.
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A
Yeah, May.
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B
Okay.
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A
I just. I gotta start from the beginning and count them out.
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B
Time flies, man. We'll link it below, though. We'll drop this episode around then. Anything else you want to clarify? Close off with here, man.
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A
That's a good question. I think, like, if you're maybe like, a message to, like, musicians in itself, because I feel like I'm a musician, I'll just say, just don't give up. You know? Like, I think, like, no matter how many people I just. Or anybody creative, just don't give up, you know? Like, I don't want to sound, like, all preachy, but just like, don't. Don't give up. Just don't. Just keep going. I mean, and something's gonna work out, and even if it doesn't, you know, it's like. It's like the. Is that Theodore Roosevelt? The honor lies to the man who's in the arena or whatever. I don't. I can't quote the whole thing, but it's basically, look up. You'll love it. And it's. And it just basically said, like, you know, in. You know, he'll never know what those cold and timid souls who know neither know victory nor defeat. And it's like, you know, so it's like, you know, the people on the outside can say whatever they want, but even if you lose or win, doesn't matter. Just don't give up. There's nothing wrong with losing. There's a huge problem with not trying.
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B
I'd rather lose than not try every day. We'll do it. It's been awesome. We'll. We'll have to do a part 2 one of these days. Thanks for coming on.
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A
I appreciate you having me. Thank you.
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B
We'll link your socials. Check them out, guys. See you next time.