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- [00:00]
Chris
They invert the boy's penis to form this neo vagina. Young men have died after this surgery is because the puberty blockers stunted the growth and they don't have enough tissue. They'll cut out some of the boy's colon and they'll use that to form the lining of this neovagina. And they're doing that to kids as well. But they even celebrated doing this to a minor on tv.
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Interviewer
Okay, guys, got Billboard Chris here today. Very important issue we will be discussing. Thanks for coming, man.
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Chris
My pleasure. Thanks for having me.
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Interviewer
Yeah, right before you go to the old strip and try to debate some people, huh?
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Chris
Yeah, I just like to have conversations for me. Debates. Someone's trying to win the conversation instead of just have a conversation. So I'm not really here to change minds of people on the far left or whatever. I just want to have conversations and raise awareness among the normies, the people who don't know what's going on about what I consider to be the greatest child abuse scandal in modern medicine history. This practice of giving children puberty blockers cross sex hormones and surgeries in an effort to change their sex.
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Interviewer
Yeah, I witnessed this growing up. This girl I dated in high school. Her, I guess, boy, her brother, sister. I always get confused what to call them. Was on puberty blockers. And that person was really depressed, man. I saw it destroy them.
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Chris
Yeah, there's always something else going on with these kids. Obviously, if a child thinks they were born in the wrong body, which is the language that these trans activists use, which doesn't make any sense, no one can tell me what that means. I've had tens of thousands of conversations about this out on the streets across the world, and no one can define what any of these terms mean. But obviously, if the child has gotten to the point where they've showed up at a gender clinic to receive puberty blockers, which are technically chemical castration drugs, these are the same drugs given to sex offenders today to chemically castrate them.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
Just a couple months ago, actually, Oklahoma passed a law that pedophiles wouldn't be able to be eligible for parole until they've gone on chemical castration drugs. The same exact drugs given to kids. Crazy for this gender business. But, yeah, these kids are all struggling. If you look at the data from all these different gender clinics around the world, like the biggest one that was in England at the Tavistock, it was called the Gender Identity Development Service, 70% of the children had five or more co coexisting mental health Comorbidities, Autism is very prevalent, probably in the majority of these cases. Sexual abuse is very prevalent. Personality disorders, a parent missing. 52% of the kids had only one parent in the picture. And kids in state care are way overrepresented as well. Kids in government care. It's all the struggling kids who are now being fed this lie that the reason for their discomfort is really that they were born in the wrong body and that they need to transition to find true happiness. And as soon as they come out as transgender, they get love bombed, like in a cult. They get all this attention, whereas maybe before they were kind of an outcast. And of course that attention feels good now they have a special identity and they're getting rewarded for it. And they keep chasing this, this fantasy that they can change their sex, which of course can never happen. And what we end up with are children who've been sterilized, maimed, turned into lifelong pharmaceutical patients, sexual dysfunction, psychological dysfunction, and permanently harm for life. So there's nothing loving about this movement at all. The whole thing is based on a lie.
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Interviewer
Right. So instead of rewarding them, what do you think the alternative solution should be?
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Chris
Well, so this ideology is the root of this evil. We shouldn't be teaching kids that they might have been born wrong. We should be giving them the positive message, which is that they're beautiful just as they are. No drugs or scalpels needed. But for these children who are struggling with various mental health comorbidities, we should be doing what we've always done and treating that with psychotherapy, with counseling, or just with time. 10 year olds, 12 year olds who are starting on these drugs because they're given to kids at Tanner Stage 2, the very beginning of puberty, they don't know what life's going to be like when they grow up. They're just kids. I wear this sign that says children cannot consent to puberty blockers because they literally can't. They cannot understand what they're signing up for. They can't understand what it means to destroy your fertility. They don't know how they're going to feel when they're 25. And if you look at all the studies that have ever been done into gender dysphoria, this distress about your sex, back before they started giving these kids drugs, the vast majority of these kids just grew out of it. When they went through puberty, their gender dysphoria desisted. And a majority. Back when this affected just a handful of the population, a majority of these kids grew up to be Gay. So that's another aspect that to this, which I don't think is talked about enough. This is actual gay conversion therapy going on.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
And all of the systematic reviews that have been done to date point to this. A ton of these kids, when they grow up, they are same sex attracted. So because they're a bit different, because you get these effeminate boys, maybe more masculine girls, well, that's fine. We shouldn't be telling them there's a right or wrong way to be a girl or a boy. But a lot of these kids would grow up to be gay now because they're different, because they don't conform to what are really regressive and sexist stereotypes. They are coming to believe, primarily because of social media and in schools, that they were born in the wrong body.
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Interviewer
What's the process right now for obtaining puberty blockers? If you're a kid, what does that look like?
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Chris
So it depends on the state. About 27 states have actually banned this now. All red states, of course. But increasingly over the years, all the safeguards that were in place have vanished. So you have kids literally receiving puberty blocker prescriptions on their very first appointment.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
There's a very famous video people can watch. I ran into this girl named Clementine at ucla.
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Interviewer
I heard of her, I think.
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Chris
Yeah. Back in October. Elon actually retweeted it. So it was seen a lot. But she's 20 years old now. When she was a child, 7 years old, she'd suffered sexual abuse. This made her not really look forward to growing up and becoming a woman. Having had some chronic sexual abuse as a child. At 12, she was seeing her school counselor, who, because Clementine didn't want to be a woman, her counselor decided that that meant she was trans. And she told the parents that. The parents took their daughter to the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, where they saw Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy. This is one of the premier doctors in the United States doing this to kids. She actually received about $10 million from the NIH to study this over several years. And then she buried the study because she didn't like the results. But on the first appointment with Johanneson Kennedy at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, Clementine was prescribed puberty blockers. In half an hour, she was separated from her parents. Her parents were told they could have a dead daughter or a live son. This is the classic coercive, manipulative tactic used to get parents to go along with this. And so at 12, she started on puberty blockers. At 13, Johanna Olsen Kennedy pushed her onto testosterone because other boys in school were starting to go through puberty. And she said if you don't start testosterone, you're going to fall behind. And at 14 she pushed her into getting a double mastectomy.
- [07:01]
Interviewer
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Chris
Because she said, the doctor said this wasn't what Clementine was wanting at the time. The doctor said we get better results when we do these young. So at 14 she had a double mastectomy. Double mastectomy performed by Scott Mosser in San Francisco. The testosterone she was on since the age of 13 caused psychosis. So she went off it at 17. She officially detransitioned at 19. But this is kind of a classic case and she's now suing all the doctors involved and the therapist and the hospitals. So, so very confident she's going to win. There's a law firm out of Texas called Campbell Miller Payne four dads who all left their previous law firms just to sue for all these young people. So there's many lawsuits flying now all across the country that involve the American Academy of Pediatrics, the World Professional association for Transgender Health, the Endocrine Society, all these institutions who refuse to actually look at the evidence. And I'm confident in time we're going to put a stop to this through the actions of each state. But also these lawsuits and insurance companies as well aren't going to want to insure this anymore when they're paying out.
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Interviewer
I wonder what percentage of these transitions. Regret it later.
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Chris
Yeah, it's a great question. And we don't have solid numbers on this because there never has been a proper study done. This whole thing is driven by ideology. This started in the Netherlands in the late 90s and in the first decade of this century with just a handful of kids, they developed what was called the Dutch protocol where they'd block puberty in these children. They wouldn't start the cross sex hormones until 16. They would rule out other coexisting mental health, comorbidities when this Dutch protocol was brought into the United states first in 2007 in Boston is when they started this. Over time they've gotten rid of all these safeguards and we have this mess that we're in today where a lot of these activists say we shouldn't even require therapy for these kids because to even suggest therapy is needed would be to suggest that there's something wrong with their gender identity. So they don't even want to do that.
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Interviewer
Crazy. So do you think this is a mental health issue?
- [09:32]
Chris
Absolutely, yeah. But it's being turned into a physical health issue with these drugs and hormones. Marcy Bowers is the president of the World Professional association for Transgender Health. They write what are called the standards of care that all these children's hospitals claim to follow. He admits in a zoom call that literally none of the boys who started on puberty blockers at Tanner Stage two as adults have ever been able to have an orgasm, have no sexual function.
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Interviewer
Holy crap.
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Chris
So again, they're starting kids on these drugs. 10, 11, 12. Whenever these kids are hitting puberty and now they're destroying their future chance for life of having any intimate relations. They're sterilizing children.
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Interviewer
That is awful. I did not know that was happening.
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Chris
So, yes, it's mental health, but now they're being harmed physically for life. This is irreversible damage. And what's it based on? What evidence is it based on? There is none. In the past few years we've had systematic reviews where they look at all the scientific literature, all the peer reviewed studies. First done in Finland, they put a stop to this. Then Sweden, then England is a report, it's the most comprehensive one that's been done to date, called the Cass review by Dr. Hilary Cass. She's a lifetime pediatrician. A 400 page report. People should read that if they want to get more info. But the Department of Health, HHS here in the US just published their own 400 page report which included a section on the ethics of this. And there's never been any evidence for this. It's ideology driving medicine and they've used very heavy handed tactics of trying to cancel people, getting them fired from their jobs. Anyone who objected to this out of a good conscience, knowing what's going on, all these whistleblowers from these gender clinics, for example, they've been canceled by society. They lost their jobs, they lost their means to earn an income. There's a woman in Australia right now, she's a psychiatrist. She's being investigated yet again because people have Filed complaints about her. And she's just a loving mom and a professional psychiatrist who knows there's no evidence to this and that these kids are struggling with other problems. But she lost her job, and this is happening all across the western world.
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Interviewer
Which states are handling the worst? I know we were talking before this about Colorado.
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Chris
Yes, it's. It's a race between a lot of these blue states to see who can handle this the worst. Colorado is right up there for sure. They just passed a law. It's not a criminal offense, but you'll get a fine if you dead name someone, call them by their previous name, or if you misgender them. And misgendering, I should say, is actually properly gender y someone. We shouldn't be required as a society to call a man a woman. That's just not right. That's forcing us to lie. And so they've just codified into law this bill, which now forces people to lie at penalty of being fined.
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Interviewer
Crazy.
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Chris
And they also, in this new law, made it a sanctuary state, so that if someone comes there from another state where it's been made illegal and they transition their child in that state, they can't face any repercussions for these other laws. California's done the same sort of thing. Maine's done that. Washington state. A lot of these states have conversion therapy laws put in place where it's now a criminal offense to try to help your child feel comfortable with their sex. It's totally fine to convince your little girl she's a boy because she likes playing with boy toys, because she likes climbing in the trees and playing in the dirt and throwing around the football. These are the stereotypical things that these trans activists look for when they declare that a child is transgender. At the Boston Children's Hospital, I tweeted out all these videos from their own doctors, the number one ranked pediatric hospital in the country, where they said it's things like a little girl who tries to pee standing up, a boy who tries to pee sitting down, trying on a sibling's clothing and playing with the opposite gender toys. These are all signs your child is transgender and can be treated. So it's now a crime in many blue states and in Canada, all across Canada and in other countries, because these same bills pop up all over the world. It's a crime to help your child feel comfortable with their sex. It's considered progressive to maim and sterilize them and turn them into a lifelong pharmaceutical patient.
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Interviewer
And these are the states you'll go to. You'll go in person and hold up your billboards, right?
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Chris
Yeah, I go everywhere. I've been to, I think 10 countries, probably 100 different cities now. Spoke at the United Nations Human Rights Council last year, went to Davos during the World Economic Forum. Got a ton of support on the streets of Davos, I should add.
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Interviewer
Really?
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Chris
And during the forum where they had their LGBTQ panel, someone had actually taken a picture of my sign and they featured it on their big screen and they talked about all the pushback that's happening worldwide against this. And they try to conflate trans rights with gay rights. And that's one of the reasons they had a lot of success is, you know, we had all these fights for gay rights, which all around the west were won pretty much by 2015. And then the new civil rights movement became trans rights. And they've conflated this with being gay. And they combine all these letters. LGBTQIA in Canada. They'll include two S for two Spirit.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
Because they virtue sick.
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Interviewer
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Chris
Enough of indigenous people.
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Interviewer
True spirit.
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Chris
Yeah. Apparently, going back millennia, in some of these indigenous communities, they'll say that people were trans, but when you look into it, it's almost always gay, man.
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Interviewer
Yeah. I've never heard of trans back. Way back.
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Chris
No. And even if it did exist, they weren't blocking puberty in children.
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Interviewer
Yeah. How would they do it back then.
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Chris
Without, of course, there was no means to do it. So this is a new thing. This is a social contagion, primarily affecting girls. This used to affect mostly boys back when it was one out of 30,000 kids. Now it's three to one girls versus boys showing up to these gender clinics. Wow. The New York Times reported 300,000 children in the US had been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Tens of thousands of kids just in the US have been medicalized, and they're doing. We don't have all the statistics on this because we don't have figures for people who paid privately and things like that. But based off insurance data, not including Kaiser Permanente, not including Veteran Affairs. So these are about half the numbers. We know that there are 1000 double mastectomies being done on kids each year in the U.S. that's the conservative number. The more accurate number is probably double that. And according to insurance data, up to 179 girls under the age of 12 and a half had a double mastectomy for gender.
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Interviewer
Oh my gosh. It's elementary school.
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Chris
Yes. Grade 7, 12 year olds.
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Interviewer
It's insane.
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Chris
I have this woman on camera from Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, California. She's the psychiatrist there and she admits she's asked a question. What's the youngest? You've done surgeries on these kids. And for boys. Her name's Kellen Lockhart, by the way. For boys, she said the youngest they've done vaginoplasties is 16, having started the process at 15. And when she says that, I think she's referring to hair removal, which they have to do. But they actually, this gets really gruesome. I don't want to get into this too much, but they, they invert the boy's penis to form this neo vagina, they call it. But because these boys went on puberty blockers, their genitalia never grew, so they don't have enough tissue to work with. So what they'll end up doing, and some kids have died or young men have died after this surgery, is because the puberty blockers stunted the growth and they don't have enough tissue. They'll cut out some of the boy's colon or some of the peritoneum, the lining of your abdominal cavity, and they'll use that to form the lining of this neovagina.
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Interviewer
Oh my gosh. That's disgusting.
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Chris
It's brutal. And they're doing that to kids as well. Not as much as these double mastectomies, of course, but they even celebrated doing this to A minor on TV. The case of Jazz Jennings had this 10 year long reality show where they started transitioning this boy from the age of three or four, whatever he was, and it's 17 on the TV show, they celebrated him getting this surgery done. People don't believe this is being done to minors, but all the evidence is out there. And for Girls up to 179 under the age of 12 and a half have had double mastectomies.
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Interviewer
So parents have to take some accountability.
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Chris
Too then, big time. So a lot of the times this is mothers pushing this on their kids. In virtually all of the custody disputes you see over this issue, it's the mom pushing it, dad against it. That's another conversation for another day. But this is like suicidal empathy sort of thing. Toxic empathy. So you get these left wing mothers pushing this on their kids. But then in a lot of cases, it's parents being blindsided. Their child, who probably is on the autism spectrum, gets online, finds other people pushing this and gets indoctrinated or maybe it happened in school. Maybe they started going to these GSA clubs, these Gender and Sexuality alliance clubs that are held at lunchtime or after school, where these misfit kids are now getting all this love and attention and they're coming to believe that they're trans and that's the source of their struggles. And it can be really hard in a lot of these cases, especially in these blue states where they've passed laws calling it conversion therapy to help your child feel comfortable with their sex. Now you get parents who feel like they can't even do anything, as the case of Jeff Younger, a man in Texas whose wife took their twin boys. One boy, she started transitioning, socially transitioning when he was just three or four or five years old, but she took them to California sanctuary state so that her husband couldn't do anything about it.
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Interviewer
Oh, my God.
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Chris
And she's now started the one boy, one of these twin boys on puberty blockers.
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Interviewer
That's insane. Is there a coming back once you're on those?
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Chris
So technically, if they come off them after just a short period of time, a few months, yeah, puberty would resume. It's still going to have caused some damage. But we know from gender clinic statistics themselves, depending on the clinic, it's 98% or it's a hundred percent of these kids stay on the puberty blockers and progress to the cross section sex hormones. So the sales pitch from the trans activist is puberty blockers by time, they just keep the child looking neutral because apparently it would be too traumatic if they were to develop their adult secondary sex characteristics. So they keep them looking neutral so they can explore their gender identity. That's the sales pitch. But in reality, when these kids, if they've shown up to the gender clinic, they're not there to explore their gender identity. They're already deep into this. They want the puberty blockers and they want the cross sex hormones. So the girls want testosterone, the boys get estrogen because they want to look like the opposite sex. And so almost every one of these kids progresses to the cross sex hormones and they stay on these for years. It's sterilizing a lot of kids. It damages their fertility. Depends when they started on them, depends how long they were on them. Yeah, but for sure, a lot of these kids and young people like Clementine, she thinks there's no way she'll ever be able to have kids. And so, no, there's no coming back from that. There's this window of opportunity to go through puberty when you're 20 years old and you've been on these drugs as a teenager, you don't go through puberty at that age. So you get these boys, these young men who have effeminate voices for the rest of their lives. You know, their bodies didn't develop as they should and they're stuck perpetually in that state.
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Interviewer
It's terrible. I can usually tell if someone is trans, honestly, no matter how many pills are taken or hormones. Like, I feel like there's just distinct features for sure.
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Chris
Especially with men, because if they've gone through puberty at all, they've got deeper voice and broader shoulders and all that. And they're still tall and big.
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Interviewer
Yeah, the jawline.
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Chris
The girls tend to, to pass more because they. I'll grow a beard because of the testosterone.
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Interviewer
So they are actually growing beards.
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Chris
Every single girl who goes on this.
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Interviewer
Wow. Yeah, I did not know that.
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Chris
So they tend to sneak under the radar more because you see someone with a beard, you just think they're a man.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Chris
But you know, they're five foot three and they might have a kind of a prepubescent voice still. And so I can spot them almost always because I do this for a living, talk to so many of these people. But again, they're just kids. And what's the fundamental lie here? That they were born in the wrong body? It's all a lie. This whole thing is a cult. They call it gender affirming care. We never should use their language. This is sex. Denying harm is what it is. And the only thing it affirms is self hatred. These young people, they hate themselves right now. They hate their life, they hate their bodies, they want to change. So that's the only thing any of this is affirming, is hatred.
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Interviewer
Yeah. You've talked to thousands of these trans people, like you said. Have any of them contact you afterwards? Like you actually changed my opinion?
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Chris
I don't get a lot of that from the trans identified people, but I, you know, they don't all disagree with me either, especially some of the more old school transsexuals. A lot of them agree we shouldn't be doing this to kids. I gave a speech in Kelowna BC a few years ago where a couple trans identified people happened to be walking by. It was outside in the summer and they spoke with me afterwards and agreed with everything I'd said.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
So they're not a monolith. But you know, it takes time for a lot of these people to acknowledge that what they've been chasing has been a lie.
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Interviewer
Right. Their whole life is a lie, basically at that point.
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Chris
Yeah. They start on puberty blockers and then the cross sex hormones and they still don't feel satisfied. So then they want to get the surgeries and then they're still not satisfied. And then it's another surgery and another surgery and then they get a bit older and their brain finishes developing and all this love and attention and this friend group that they had when they were young, a lot of that's gone. Their friends have gone and gotten married. They want to have kids now they can't. And they can't. There's this surgeon from BC Children's Hospital where I'm from in British Columbia, Daniel Metzger, and he says in these leaked recordings there's this thing everyone should look up if they want to read more about this called the WPATH Files. These were leaked internal documents and leaked videos of all these trans health professionals speaking with each other. And this guy admits he follows these kids into their 20s and they get to be 25 and they want to have a family, but they can't because they're infertile. And he says, yeah, the dog's not doing it for you, is it? As though having a pet is a replacement for one day having your own family. So he knows the regret rate is there. He talks openly about it, but then he keeps doing this. Anyway. All these kids, I hope they're at.
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Interviewer
Least disclosing that to the kids that you can't have kids in the future. You know, if you go down this.
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Chris
Route, it's on the consent forms they sign.
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Interviewer
Oh, it is.
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Chris
But when you talk to a lot of these detransitioners, a lot of them had no idea.
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Interviewer
Damn.
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Chris
Some of them think they can grow their breasts back. Like we're dealing with some people who have serious other mental health issues going on. You get kids coming straight from the psychiatric units of hospitals into the gender clinic. Jamie Reed is a whistleblower from Missouri who, she's a lesbian woman. She worked at this gender clinic to help these kids. She worked there for four years. She was case manager for over a thousand children. She blew the whistle on all of this, said all the same things that I'd be telling you today. But one of the cases she mentioned is this boy that was sexually abusing dogs who was sent from the psychiatric unit and right away they just gave him Lupron, the puberty blocking drug.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
Probably to chemically castrate him. But this is a seriously mentally unwell child. And they just, in one appointment, start prescribing these drugs. What do you know about anyone in half an hour? I've known you now for about half an hour. We've just been talking about this, but I really know nothing about you. What can a doctor know about these kids? You don't know anything in half an hour, an hour, two hours, 10 hours. You're barely scratching the surface.
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Interviewer
I think the average doctor visit now, just in general, is like eight minutes.
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Chris
Right. But here we're talking about drugs that are going to completely change the course of their life, that are going to destroy their chance of having a family. And when you get a bit older, it's all about family.
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Interviewer
Absolutely.
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Chris
When you're young, you're chasing things for yourself. You're having fun, you're going to Vegas and partying with the friends. As you get older, it's all about family. Yeah.
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Interviewer
You got two daughters, right? I do, yeah. So I know this resonates with you. You would never want to see them go down this route.
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Chris
Right. Which is why I learned about this in the first place, because I do see this as like a cult that has taken over our entire Western world. A cult that's being pushed and funded by the governments and all these NGOs with billions of dollars. None of this happened organically. This was all funded, it was all pushed. Yeah. In Canada, we've sent something like $12 billion overseas for pushing gender initiatives.
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Interviewer
Oh, my God.
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Chris
In the us it's more than a hundred billion dollars.
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Interviewer
Geez, that's nuts.
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Chris
They've been sending hundreds of millions of dollars to other countries, to their own universities to push this stuff. Like, why is the US government funding Australian universities, for example?
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Interviewer
That's weird.
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Chris
Who end up pushing this?
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Interviewer
They're trying to spread this out.
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Chris
Absolutely.
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Interviewer
Did it start in the US and Canada and kind of just.
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Chris
Well, it first started in Holland.
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Interviewer
Oh, yeah, you said that.
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Chris
But it's certainly the most insane, I would say in the US and Canada.
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Interviewer
Yeah, we seem to have the most mental health issues here.
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Chris
But they also got rid of the safeguards. The medical bodies are ignoring all of the evidence that shows this isn't helping kids. All of the evidence shows there is no evidence. That's all it really says. And. And there's great risk of harm. But there's never been a single clinical study.
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Interviewer
I mean, it's easy to get what you want here. I got Xanax in, like five minutes. I went to a doctor I've never met before and said I had some anxiety.
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Chris
Right. And when with parental approval, Planned Parenthood will give out these hormones as well. But as soon as These children turn 18 years old, and again, it's mostly girls doing this. An 18 year old girl walks into a Planned Parenthood, she walks out 20 minutes later with a prescription for testosterone.
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Interviewer
Wow, that's terrible.
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Chris
And they don't question anything, they just say, congratulations, you've discovered your gender identity. Yes, you're a wonderful candidate for puberty blockers across sex hormones. Here you go. And so these drugs are given off label, they've never been approved by the FDA for this purpose. The puberty blocking drug was originally approved for prostate cancer, for endometriosis, uterine fibroids. It's given to sex offenders to chemically castrate them. But with women, for example, with endometriosis, they say don't take this longer than six months because the side effects are very severe. But they give this to kids for years.
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Interviewer
I wouldn't be surprised if with telemedicine on the rise, that people could just call up and get it in a few months.
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Chris
That's done all the time.
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Interviewer
Oh, it's already being done.
- [29:18]
Chris
Oh yeah.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
It's already done. And in states that have ban this, you've got people ordering hormones in the mail. I know a girl in California who had her double mastectomy scheduled over a telehealth appointment, what, 15 minutes.
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Interviewer
So she didn't even see someone in person?
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Chris
Nope. And that case of Clementine I mentioned, Scott Mosser was her surgeon. First time he met her was the morning of the surgery.
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Interviewer
No.
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Chris
So it's just a treadmill of people coming in, coming out. There's a lot of money in it, of course, but the people pushing this at these gender clinics, these doctors, they're true believers. They really are. That is crazy because they could do all sorts of things to make money. Yes, there's money in it.
- [29:59]
Interviewer
Yeah.
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Chris
But a lot of these people are trans identified themselves, which is a problem because now you've got really the insane running the asylum. I'm actually suing the Australian government right now on a freedom of speech issue. So is Elon, because they censored one of my posts last year where I criticized this woman named Teddy Cook who'd been appointed to the World Health organization panel of 20 so called experts tasked with drafting healthcare policy for trans identified kids and adults all across the world. Teddy Cook is a woman who identifies as a man. She posts naked images all the time. She says trans identified people have better sex when they're high on illicit drugs. She posted a picture of bestiality, even a dog sodomizing a man. She posts about trans orgies. Just all this gross stuff. Naturally, she was appointed to the World Health Organization. She's not a doctor, she's just an activist. These are the types of people drafting healthcare policy. And so I criticized her and I called her a woman because she is. And then in Australia they have this bureaucrat called the E safety commissioner who job is to censor the Internet. So she ordered my post taken down. X refused. They forwarded me the legal takedown notice. I then filed an appeal and then so did Elon. So we've got this big freedom of speech case going on down there right now.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
But this is the same all across the world. Like the president of the World Professional association for Transgender Health. That's a man identifying as a woman. That Kellen Lackard individual at Kaiser Permanente who said how they cut off the breasts of a 12 year old girl. She's a woman identifying as a man. At the Supreme Court hearing in December, they heard oral arguments for the Tennessee ban. Because Tennessee banned this a year or two ago. So the lawyer for the ACLU who is suing for the right to sterilize kids, that's what they're doing. That's a woman named Chase Strangio. She identifies as a man. So you have all these ideologues. Who are the ones writing healthcare policy and who are the ones being given credit? Who are the ones that we're supposed to listen to? I guess because of their lived experience. This is some leftist thing, right? They only want people with lived experience writing the policies. Well, no. How about we just have healthy individuals who look at the evidence and we have evidence based care for these kids instead of ideological based care.
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Interviewer
Insanity. Yeah, because when you were a kid, this wasn't even a thing.
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Chris
Totally non existent. Never heard of it. I never heard of it until I was in my 40s. Because this really took off around 2015. Again, coinciding with the end of the gay rights movement. All the money went to this and social media really took off. You know, 2010, 2015, kids were all getting on it. So this is just the perfect storm. And everyone was too afraid to say anything because they were getting canceled and fired from their jobs. And this is still happening to this day. But no one can fire me. I'm my own person. I used to have a real job. I was a financial advisor.
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Interviewer
Wow. Big change.
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Chris
I quit that just to raise awareness about this because as you said, I'm a dad of two girls. I learned all about this to protect them. They're not affected by this at all. But when you're a parent and you know other parents struggling with this can't speak up because they would alienate their own kid, I just felt a calling to do something about it. So doing it the only way I can, which is out on the street.
- [33:19]
Interviewer
Makes you wonder what they're going to push next, because it just seems to keep getting worse and worse. Right?
- [33:24]
Chris
Yeah. There's this whole transhumanist push to.
- [33:29]
Interviewer
Turn.
- [33:29]
Chris
Us into cyborgs and stuff.
- [33:31]
Interviewer
Yeah.
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Chris
It's a bit scary. It is playing with Mother Nature. I'm all for everything Elon's doing with that chip that he wants to put in our head. It's a little bit scary.
- [33:39]
Interviewer
I'm passing on that one for now.
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Chris
It's becoming like the Matrix, Right. You can just plug in and learn kung fu.
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Interviewer
Nuts, man. Well, where are you? Where are you speaking next? You said you're about to travel?
- [33:52]
Chris
Yeah, I'm off to Brussels in a couple weeks. Home to the European Parliament.
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Interviewer
How's Europe dealing with this right now?
- [33:59]
Chris
Some countries are doing great. England, Scotland have basically put a stop to this. Scotland also banned the cross sex hormones. England still wants to do a clinical trial on all these kids, though.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Chris
Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, they've all basically put a stop to this. They're preaching for therapy instead of medicalization. But this is still a mess. I was in Geneva and I met with a father there who has lost custody of his daughter.
- [34:29]
Interviewer
Wow.
- [34:29]
Chris
And so is the mother to the state.
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Interviewer
How did that happen?
- [34:33]
Chris
Because they didn't want to give her puberty blockers.
- [34:35]
Interviewer
Huh.
- [34:35]
Chris
So even in Switzerland, that's happening. And he can't expose his identity because of his job. But this is happening everywhere, and it's being pushed by the European Parliament. The head of the European Parliament, just the other day was two days ago, I think, was writing on Twitter about how this is helping people to be their true selves and still promoting it. The Progress, Pride flag and all that. So I've got people lining up events for me in the European Parliament. That'll be good. I work with other huge conservative organizations like ADF International. They're the alliance defending freedom. They're in a legal organization representing people all across the globe pro bono, who are fighting gender ideology or who have had their parental rights violated. They helped fund my case in Australia against the government, so I'm going to be doing some work with them there. But I'm also going to go into Germany, where freedom of speech is pretty dead right now. We'll see what happens there.
- [35:37]
Interviewer
In Germany.
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Chris
Yeah.
- [35:38]
Interviewer
I didn't know.
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Chris
I have to be smart because I could get arrested very easily there.
- [35:41]
Interviewer
Same with the uk.
- [35:42]
Chris
I heard UK is a bit of a mess. For sure. They're arresting people for memes.
- [35:47]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [35:48]
Chris
Literally releasing sex offenders to make room for people who wrote something a little bit mean on the Internet.
- [35:56]
Interviewer
Insane. I. I hope America doesn't get to that point. Same with Canada. I've heard some concerning things with Canada.
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Chris
Yes. I think a lot of the talk about Canada is sometimes exaggerated. I say whatever I want. The problem with Canada, though, is if you're working for the government and something like one out of every three people have some government job.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Chris
Whether you're a teacher or whatever, you can't speak openly about this because they set their own rules and they'll fire you. Jordan Peterson is supposed to go for re education.
- [36:28]
Interviewer
I saw that.
- [36:28]
Chris
They want him to get social media training.
- [36:30]
Interviewer
But he's not even a professor anymore, right?
- [36:32]
Chris
No. And he's not. I guess he's still a practicing psychologist. I don't think they've taken his license away.
- [36:40]
Interviewer
I know they wanted to, but he's.
- [36:41]
Chris
Just busy doing his stuff. Yeah. And that's. So that. That's the regulatory organizations who basically all have their own standards where you can't discriminate against someone based on their gender identity. Which sounds lovely, sounds nice. But in practice, that means you have to allow men and women's prisons, men and women's sports, men and women's shelters. And this is, of course, insane.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Chris
We can't have a society like this, so we're winning. We started off this bit talking about, you know, how often do I change minds or how often do I hear from people who were aggressive. We really just need to reach all the people in the middle. The average person just goes to work, comes home, has dinner, plays with their family, goes to bed. They have no idea this stuff is happening. So that's the type of demographic that I'm trying to reach. And I know throughout all the conversations I have and the millions of times they get seen online, that it wakes up other people and gets them active in fighting this as well.
- [37:40]
Interviewer
Absolutely.
- [37:41]
Chris
So now we've got all sorts of people fighting this, whereas just a few short years ago, they'd never even heard of this.
- [37:46]
Interviewer
Have you seen the numbers go up or down since you started? You started in 2015. You said there's a thousand surgeries a.
- [37:52]
Chris
Year, roughly So I started my campaign in 2020.
- [37:55]
Interviewer
2020.
- [37:55]
Chris
Really? This whole trans explosion with kids started around 2010. Really took off around 2015. But as for numbers, I think we're plateauing right now. I'd say this ideology has peaked and there's a movement among Gen Z to get more conservative. We see this in all the elections. When they look at the demographics, from 18 to 30, they're going more conservative. In Canada, we just had an election and it was the boomers who voted in the Liberals again. If not for them, the Conservatives would have gotten in. So I think that's a very positive sign. Pendulum is starting to swing back.
- [38:35]
Interviewer
Yeah, that is a good sign. Shout out to Charlie Kirk. People like him, really waking people up.
- [38:39]
Chris
Hugely important what he's done.
- [38:41]
Interviewer
I'd love to see you two on a campus together.
- [38:43]
Chris
Yeah. I've done a couple events with Turning Point.
- [38:45]
Interviewer
Oh, you have?
- [38:46]
Chris
But that would be fun.
- [38:46]
Interviewer
Yeah, that'd be cool.
- [38:47]
Chris
Yeah. I went to Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, and I went there with Chloe Cole. She's a young detransitioner. And of course, the university put on a counter protest, about 400 of them. They hired a drag queen while to come, and the drag queen came in, shook his fake boobs in the face of Chloe Cole, a young girl who lost her breasts at the age of 15. I mean, that's how off the rails and insensitive these people are. They don't care. They should be having great concern for her, for the harm that was done.
- [39:22]
Interviewer
Yeah.
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Chris
But instead they just want to troll her.
- [39:24]
Interviewer
It's awful. There's a whole reality show about drag queens.
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Chris
RuPaul.
- [39:28]
Interviewer
Is that what it is?
- [39:29]
Chris
Yeah. Drag race.
- [39:30]
Interviewer
Yeah. They're like mainstream now. Like, they have millions of followers.
- [39:34]
Chris
Yeah. Huge. I saw on the strip there's some RuPaul's Drag Race show. One of the hotels there.
- [39:39]
Interviewer
Yeah. In Vegas.
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Chris
I mean, this is going to be around for a long time, but what we can do much more quickly than reducing this ideology to nothing. What we can do is stop. Put a stop to the medicalization.
- [39:52]
Interviewer
Yeah. Trump came out and said there's only two genders, Right?
- [39:56]
Chris
He sure did. So he wrote an executive order stopping all federal funding to any institution doing this to kids. A liberal judge has stopped that in the meantime. But he also said no more Medicaid to be used for this. And so that has put a stop to this in some of the hospitals.
- [40:17]
Interviewer
Wow.
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Chris
So we were paying as well.
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Interviewer
I didn't know we were paying for this. Tax dollars are Going towards this.
- [40:22]
Chris
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Under Obamacare, it was required to cover gender identity.
- [40:27]
Interviewer
What? Yeah. And these surgeries are probably tens of thousands, I'd imagine, right?
- [40:31]
Chris
Yeah. Double mastectomy will be like 10,000. The drugs themselves, they'll give this puberty blocking drug as an implant, often an arm or the thigh. And that's 40,000 US a year.
- [40:41]
Interviewer
Geez, that's insane.
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Chris
Just for the puberty blockers. And then what the trans activists call bottom surgeries because they like to put euphemistic terms on all of this. Those can get to be $100,000. So it's currently about a $2 billion a year industry. It's growing about 15% a year.
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Interviewer
Is that in the US or world?
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Chris
Seattle? That, I believe is just in the US.
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Interviewer
2 billion a year. A good amount.
- [41:15]
Chris
Yep, it's a good amount. It's not as much as some people say, but again, we're talking about tens of thousands of children that affects, in turn, lives. Yeah.
- [41:28]
Interviewer
Because of their families, you know, friends.
- [41:32]
Chris
Yeah, they're like in a cult. They're. If their family isn't supportive, they're encouraged to cut off from their family and adopt their new glitter family.
- [41:43]
Interviewer
Yeah, I know people talk about the athlete stuff like a lot, but this is important too. Like the sports stuff, people try to focus on with the trans movement.
- [41:50]
Chris
But Yeah, I mean, that's a big. That's for sure a big deal. In California right now, you've got this boy winning the long jump, winning the triple jump. That's of course not as big a deal as harming children for life. But it's taking away scholarship money from some of these girls. They work their whole lives training hard every day. And what chance do they have against some 6 foot 2 male? Yeah, they have no chance.
- [42:19]
Interviewer
The volleyball spikes, Some girl got a concussion.
- [42:22]
Chris
Yeah. Permanent brain injury actually, because the velocity was just much greater than what a girl could hit. But this is happening all over the world. We had Olympic gold medalists losing out to men.
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Interviewer
The boxing, right?
- [42:38]
Chris
Yeah.
- [42:38]
Interviewer
I think two trans made the finals.
- [42:41]
Chris
Yeah. So they don't even call themselves trans. These people were born with a disorder of sexual development which the left will call intersex. Intersex is just an umbrella term for all of these different disorders of sexual development. So with these two boxers, we don't have all of their medical records, some were leaked, but we're quite certain that they were born with this condition where their testicles were internalized. And they have today, I guess, a micropenis. You'd call it. But at birth they might have been confused as a female because things just didn't form.
- [43:17]
Interviewer
Right.
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Chris
But the testicles are up inside and when they hit puberty, they're still fully male. Their chromosomes are xy, they're producing normal amounts of testosterone. They're going through male puberty. They're fully male. But unfortunately they were born with this condition. That doesn't mean we should have them fighting against women. They were banned by this other boxing institution because they did these medical checks and they did discover, yes, they're fully male, but the Olympic committee didn't have the stones to do the right thing and figure out them out, which is crazy. Gets women.
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Interviewer
That's like the premier event. That's like worldwide.
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Chris
Yeah. And it's not just running, it's boxing. Like you're physically beating up a woman like they should.
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Interviewer
I'm surprised. Did they get sued for that or something like.
- [44:03]
Chris
No, I don't think there's been anything like that.
- [44:05]
Interviewer
What? Yeah, like the third place girl should have really went after them.
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Chris
Yeah. Or the girl who lost in round one, who, who knows how far she would have gone.
- [44:13]
Interviewer
Yeah. That affects her whole career at that point.
- [44:16]
Chris
That's right.
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Interviewer
Like if you win a gold medal, you're getting six seven figure endorsement deals after that. Like that's your whole livelihood.
- [44:21]
Chris
Absolutely. Yeah. And so Trump has said he's not going to allow any of these trans identified athletes or these, you know, men with disorders to compete in the Los Angeles Olympics coming up. That's good.
- [44:34]
Interviewer
Yeah.
- [44:36]
Chris
But we just gotta keep educating people. That's all I try to do. Because it does take time. We're talking about something that's had decades of a lead on us in pushing this. And in the billions of dollars, no one's funding me. This is all on my own dime. People do help a bit through my website, but the left has all the money behind them on this and the people fighting them back are really mainly, it's a bunch of parents and now increasingly detransitioners. And then you get young athletes like Riley Gaines, who's been tremendous. But we're not some organized group with a whole bunch of money. We're just individual citizens who are concerned. But we're still winning because we got truth on the side and the truth spreads for free.
- [45:23]
Interviewer
Where can people support you? Keep up with you?
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Chris
They can support me through my website, billboardchrist.com, but follow me on all the major social media, X, YouTube, Instagram, even Facebook. Now I had an imposter on there?
- [45:36]
Interviewer
Oh, yeah.
- [45:36]
Chris
So I started a Facebook account, but it's really good. That's where a lot of the moms are. So it gets good engagement. But yeah, anywhere on social media. At Billboard, Chris. And people can email me through my website as well if you want to get in touch.
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Interviewer
Love it. Check them out, guys. Thanks for coming on. Chris, that was awesome.
- [45:50]
Chris
Thanks, brother.
- [45:51]
Interviewer
Yup. See you guys.