Black Hebrew Israelite UNLEASHES On Christianity & White America | DSH #2097

Summary

Digital Social Hour - Episode #2097: Black Hebrew Israelite UNLEASHES On Christianity & White America (August 8, 2026)

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Overview

In this provocative episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly sits down with a vocal Black Hebrew Israelite leader (referred to as the Main Commentator/Debater) for an unfiltered conversation that dives deep into topics of race, religion, social conflict, and Black identity in America. The guest holds nothing back, unleashing criticisms on Christianity, white America, and various cultural figures while exploring the psychological and spiritual resilience of Black communities amid systemic oppression. The dialogue blends raw anecdotes, controversial takes, social commentary, and moments of dark humor, challenging mainstream narratives and sparking conversation on sensitive issues.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Race, Language, and the Power of Words (02:15–08:13)

• The guest discusses how Black people should respond to racial slurs:
  • “My advice to black people, when a white man calls you the N word, just call him gay and a pedophile again... When you talk like that, you're going to get into his soul, into his spirit.” (05:43)
• He criticizes white America's tendency to use slurs, flipping the script by attacking with harsh stereotypes meant to throw off aggressors and regain psychological control.
• The phenomenon of “verbal self-defense” is introduced, positioned as the first front of protecting oneself before physical escalation.

2. Analysis of the Chud the Builder Case (04:10–13:21)

• The speaker analyzes a high-profile racial incident involving “Chud the Builder,” who was jailed on a $1.25 million bond for shooting a Black man.
  • “I think chud represents a fear that black people have over a word that they should stop having... if you believe that you're the N word that the white man is calling you, it will put you in a state of shock.” (04:23)
• He frames the case as premeditated and emblematic of sadomasochistic, white supremacist behavior, referencing social media evidence and the lack of traditional white supremacist support for Chud.
• Critiques arise regarding white communities’ hypocrisy about free speech and actual violence.

3. Christianity, Islam, and Black Religious Identity (17:12–27:11)

• The decline of Christianity among Black Americans is discussed, with Islam’s rise attributed to disillusionment with church scandals:
  • “Christianity is failing so much from finding out about child molestation and gay... so you got people looking at the Christian church and seeing the hypocrisy in it...” (24:35)
• The guest describes the fast growth of Black Hebrew Israelite movements, connecting this awakening to increasing exposure via the internet, and frames both Christianity and Islam as products of force and historical oppression.

4. Black Hebrew Israelite Community Practices (27:43–32:30)

• Strict entry requirements for community events: no white people or non-Israelites (“If your daddy white, you can't [enter]... so if your daddy's African or something like that, you can't.” 28:30).
• The group claims to judge membership/spiritual suitability by “gauging the spirit,” mannerisms, and interrogation rather than documents.
• Enforcement of these policies is described candidly and physically: “one time this African came to my school and... me and General Haas, we grabbed him and threw his ass down the stairs and got him up out of there.” (32:06)

5. Debates, Security, and Protocol (22:33–26:34, 32:30–34:14)

• The guest reflects on debates with Christian apologists and Muslims (notably God Logic, Vocab Malone, and “607 UNC”), describing the protocol of always having security (“shemar”) for personal safety.
• He makes distinctions between genuine academic debate and performative, combative showdowns, emphasizing his goal to “break” opponents.

6. Repairing Black Communities and Governmental Oppression (35:47–43:03)

• Sean and his guest discuss the concept of Black autonomy, reparations, and why Black communities remain targeted by institutional forces:
  • “Because our rise is their fall... our cities will be just fine [if not systematically targeted]. So it's not about just black people being in the city. It's about who's taking care of the city.” (39:21)
• The guest draws historical parallels and suggests that attempts at self-sufficient Black communities are systematically sabotaged, referencing the Black Panthers' breakfast programs and historical patterns of erasing Black-led success stories.

7. Generational Trauma, Policing, and Black Psychological Wounds (49:06–53:36)

• The conversation touches on the transmission of trauma from slavery and ongoing policing issues:
  • “They did a test... the traumas of slavery would pass from the father to the mother, from the mother to the baby, and then that baby comes out with that trauma.” (50:03)
• A mouse experiment is leveraged as an allegory for inherited Black trauma and the long recovery needed to shake off the effects of systemic oppression.
• The ISUBK community is characterized as actively countering “mental shackles” by raising children free of inferiority complexes towards white people.

8. Hierarchy of Racial Groups and Economic Dynamics (53:40–58:24)

• The guest openly sets forth a hierarchy of antagonism: “white man is the quintessential devil,” followed by Arabs, Africans, and Asians (53:55).
• He critiques the economic exploitation of Black neighborhoods by other ethnic groups, especially Asians, stating, “they the ones that take advantage of us in black communities...” (55:10)
• Nuances of “buying Black” are discussed, with the guest arguing for value-based support rather than blind allegiance.

9. Brand Culture, Materialism, and Psychological Conditioning (56:28–58:24)

• The hosts lampoon the obsession with status symbols in the Black community (e.g., luxury watches), tying economic choices to deeper issues of self-worth, capitalist manipulation, and collective psychology.
  • “People was lining up in the stores and droves, they riding, they fighting over a 300 watch. ...You're paying for the brand as opposed to the shoe.” (57:14)

10. Rapid-Fire Commentary on Public Figures (61:32–75:27)

Sean prompts the guest for opinions on various controversial or notable individuals and concepts:

• Sexy Red: “A roach...if I had to stop Sexy Red, I'm not attacking sexy red. I'm attacking the corporation that made Sexy Red feel comfortable...the real psyop is the label that signed her.” (61:46–63:55)
• Kanye West: “Kanye west is probably my hero...He had no problem battling the small hats. He sacrificed his sneaker deal...” (63:59–65:35)
• Adam 22: “He's another masochistic freak ass boy. That's a freak booty boy. That's....he's gay too...But he's good at what he does.” (65:41–66:26)
• Erica Kirk: “Erica Kirk is a useless prop. Like, she's useless...she's just a blonde bimbo.” (66:29–67:23)
• Whiteface in Comedy: The guest defends “whiteface” as comedic, distinguishes it from blackface through intent, and praises Robert Downey Jr. in “Tropic Thunder” as a successful non-offensive example (67:27–69:11).
• Jesse Lee Peterson: Praised as “the greatest coon on YouTube” and “an excellent troll” who is “one of the original first trolls…on YouTube.” (70:08–71:06)
• Michael Jackson: Acknowledged as the greatest entertainer ever but critiqued for his bizarre behavior and allegations of abuse: “If it wasn't Michael Jackson, if it was Michael Jenkins and you found out Michael Jinxing Jenkins has children in the bed with him, you're gonna say he's a pedophile.” (74:30–74:41)
• Repeated jabs at “small hats” (antisemitic dog whistle for Jews) recur during the episode, especially regarding control of the music industry and media.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Black self-defense against racial slurs:
  “When a white man calls you the N word, just call him gay... when you talk like that, you're going to get into his soul, into his spirit.” (05:43, Main Commentator)

• On systemic sabotage of Black progress:
  “You have to go for the juggler... if you're not willing to go there with your opponent, then don't get in the ring with that opponent.” (35:47, Main Commentator)

• On Christianity’s credibility loss:
  “Christianity is failing so much ... the Roman Catholic Church just settled almost a billion dollars [in abuse claims].” (24:35, Main Commentator)

• On hierarchy of antagonistic groups:
  “The white man is the quintessential devil.... whites, Arabs, Africans, Asians, and then everybody else.” (53:55, Main Commentator)

• On trauma and generational effects:
  “They showed how the traumas of slavery would pass from the father to the mother, from the mother to the baby, and then that baby comes out with that trauma.” (50:03, Main Commentator)

• On Michael Jackson:
  “There will never be a Michael Jackson...But I think there's also some demons in dark.” (71:14–73:51, Main Commentator)

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Memorable Moments

• Turning the Table on Racial Slurs: Suggesting Black people disarm racists not by outrage but by weaponizing taboo accusations against them, reversing psychological power dynamics (05:43).
• Brutal Community Enforcement: Describing physically ejecting unwanted visitors and judging potential members by their “spirit” (27:59, 32:06).
• Debate Philosophy: “I have to break you.” (33:50)—emphasizes the show’s hyper-competitive and combative tone.
• Viral Soundbites: The “black cities” concept and “no one loves white people like Black people” become fodder for social media (36:32).

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Structured Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 02:15 | Advice for Black people on racial slurs | | 04:10 | Chud the Builder case: race, violence, media response | | 17:12 | Black religious identity: Christianity, Islam, Hebrews | | 27:43 | Event rules: no white/non-Israelite admission | | 32:30 | Debate protocols, security (“shemar”) | | 35:47 | Reparations, community self-determination | | 49:06 | Generational trauma, policing, childhood fear | | 53:55 | Racial group antagonism hierarchy | | 56:28 | Brand culture in Black America | | 61:32 | Rapid-fire: thoughts on celebrities/personalities | | 67:27 | Comedy, whiteface vs blackface discussion | | 71:14 | Michael Jackson: admiration and critique |

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Tone & Language

The guest’s language is brash, unapologetic, and intentionally provocative, employing charged terms, street vernacular, and abrasive humor. He calls out hypocrisy, names enemies explicitly, and offers no quarter for perceived weakness—whether in debates, policing Black boundaries, or confronting systemic racism. Both Sean and his guest frequently reference social virality and “clout,” acknowledging their audience’s appetite for controversy.

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Conclusion

This episode of Digital Social Hour exemplifies the podcast’s commitment to raw and unfiltered conversations about race, religion, and American society. The guest’s unwavering, confrontational perspective challenges listeners to grapple with uncomfortable truths and entrenched taboos—providing a window into the rhetoric and worldview of the outspoken Black Hebrew Israelite movement in 2026.

Transcript

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

My advice to black people When a white man calls you the N word, just call him gay and and when you call him gay in a Don't call him gay and like you wonder if he is, call it like you know he is. He says he's Nigerian he came to El Paso event with a white woman, so we kicked him all out.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, I don't think nobody better than Jay Dyer.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Jay Dyer is a child. Like, he's a child that wears a short helmet when he goes to school. That's all. Cuz I can't say the R word.

[Host / Interviewer]

All right, guys, got him back on. God damn, you pissed a lot of people off last time.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That's a good thing then.

[Host / Interviewer]

Man, I couldn't believe some of the comments.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, I was looking at some of the comments, man, and they was extremely mad about the Tom Hanks reference, about the gay reference, about black people. White people more gay than us. It was a lot. I mean, but the truth hurts sometimes. If you can actually get the minutiae out the way of your feelings and just listen to what's saying and think about it, I don't think nobody would be offended. Like when white people say true stuff about my people, even if it's offensive. If it's true, it's true.

[Host / Interviewer]

Really?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

I mean, if it's true, it's true. I mean, what can I say? Okay, I won't defend. I won't defend. Wrong. If it's wrong, it's wrong no matter what the race is. I feel that I may give a perception or position on how it got there, but I wouldn't justify it either. So that time, I think that what got white people mad the most, that Tom Hanks reference, because it had everything in there. It had child molestation and had loving whores. It had all of that.

[Host / Interviewer]

Well, that's white people's favorite movie, too. Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That's why I bought. Think about that.

[Host / Interviewer]

Forrest Gump. Every white person loves that movie. They got it in their top five.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

And think about that. And that's one of the nastiest white movies ever made.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, man. All right. Chud the builder. He's currently on a $1.25 million bond. Do you think that's too much money?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, I would listen, man, I thought it was only going to be like 50,000.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

First of all, I didn't even think the charge was gonna be attempted murder. Because Chud, you know, he's a white guy that's obviously have. Has a sexual deviancy that. I'll explain what I mean by that. But I didn't think that he would get. The way that they presented it when it. When it first came out was almost like he was defending himself. And then if not for the other camera angles, I think this would be another case of a white man Getting away with Harmon, a brother. But I was exceptionally surprised that his bail was so high. And I'm gonna tell you why I think his bail was so high. Before I do that, I think chud represents two things. Chud represents a fear that black people have over a word that they should stop having. Now I don't believe any white person should call me the N word ever, under no circumstances. But if a white person was to call me the nword, it's not going to put me in a state of fear or shock or anything like that. I'll just respond in kind verbally, the same way he's responding in kind verbally. Because you can't assault somebody over a word. But black people have been so galvanized and they believe, if you believe that you're the N word that the white man is calling you, it will put you in a state of shock. I don't know what to say.

[Host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

My advice to black people, when a white man calls you the N word, just call him gay and a pedophile again. And when you call him gay and a pedophile, don't call him gay and a pedophile. Like you wonder if he is. Call it like you know he is like, say something, man. Your wife was just calling me, telling me how can we get Chud to stop getting pegged in his behind? How can we stop him from molesting children? And when you talk like that, you're going to get into his soul, into his spirit. So now the way he's attacking you verbally is the way you can attack him verbally. Now if he attacks you now, you're self defending. Because his whole goal as a masochistic white man, which is what chud was. When we found out that, and I don't know if you know this, but when we found out that he was getting pegged in his ass by a black woman, by a black trans woman. Wow, that also says a lot. Because while if he goes from getting pegged by a black, by a black man to now having black people try to attack him for saying the N word and he's masking it behind first amendment rights when really that's his sexual fetish. Right. His fetish was getting abused by black people by calling them the N word and then they attack me and then the gun is his safety. You know, like when people is in them sadomasochistic relationships, they have a code word to stop.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Like they getting so abused. That gun represents his code word. So that's his code word. So he shot that man. Because that man, first of all, he was. He told him he was a war veteran, suffered from ptsd, and he didn't want to be a part of it. And yet CHUD still pressed forward. So when they get into the physical altercation, that's when he pulls out the gun and then he shoots him. That is typical white behavior. White people think that they can do anything to us. So you have to be able to defend yourself spiritually, mentally, sometimes physically, but verbally is the first place that you defend yourself. And you could tell. He picked. He. He had enough sense to know who to test and who not to test. Like, I saw him call somebody the N word at a gas station and the cat knocked his hat off his head. He didn't do nothing to him because he knew that one is not going to do anything to it. So I think it was premeditated because there was a tweet that they found that he had Tweeted on March, May 7 Rather, that said he was going to shoot a chimp and get off and incite black people.

[Host / Interviewer]

Geez.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

And on the subject of chimp, let me piss white people off even more. On the subject of chimps, I don't know why white people insist on calling black people monkeys or chimps when white people look like that. When you skim down, if you were to take a white man and take his beard and all his mustache and just look at his mouth and look at that chimp's mouth, that's the same mouth. It's not a different mouth. Like, you know, black people lips are full, their nose is full, their face is full. White people's lips is flat. White people got the flat monkey lips like this. Why black and black people, Y' all got to know how to fight against these white people. Man, you getting mad because they calling you a monkey. Why, that's. Listen, they would never find us if they described a black person looking like a monkey. They would never find us. But if we describe a white man looking like a monkey, oh, they find a lot of them. So you gotta. They gotta really look at the psychology of it. So now you see that he premeditated shooting this person. Not saying premeditated shooting this one in particularly, but shooting a black person was on his agenda of fame. And now it looked like it's backfired. And it didn't just backfire for him, it backfired for white supremacists. Because you'll notice, like the Nick Fuentes and individuals like that are not standing with Chud. Because what Chud did, from a white supremacist standpoint is he made what they call it black fatigue, the term black fatigue, and he increased it. Because now black people. Now I'm speaking from a white supremacist angle. Now black people have a legit argument to further push white people, attacking them for no reason at a time where white supremacists might think that it could go away. Now he just brought it back, which is why I think that bail is $1.2 million. Cause I think them white people in Indianapolis is mad that he did that to a black person and was wrong. If it was reversed, he wouldn't be in jail. So the fact that he's in jail, the fact that they're saying they're gonna stop the crowdfunding money that he raised, and so he gotta get money from somewhere else. And here's another thing that white supremacists don't like. He begging a Jewish man to get him out of jail. So now CHUD is begging. Aiden Ross. I've seen a video. If you don't have it. So there's an audio that this podcaster, I don't know what his name is off the top of my hat, but Flacco was doing this commentary and he playing this video of this podcaster and the podcast of white people. So diabolical. So the podcaster wants us to believe that this is a First Amendment issue. And the podcaster is saying, black people, if you want your rights protected, then you gotta stand with us on this issue, because this is a First Amendment issue. This is not a First Amendment issue. This is an issue of a white man shot a black man because he's black and he's in jail for attempted murder. There's not a First Amendment issue. So we're not going to stand with that. And then he has Aiden Ross, where he tells Aiden Ross that I will box for you for free if you can help get me out of jail. That's crazy.

[Host / Interviewer]

So he's going to get Aiden's lawyer, probably.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Well, Aiden, for what I saw in the video, at least Aiden said f. No.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Aiden said no. He's not gonna help him.

[Host / Interviewer]

Shout out to Aiden, because, I mean, he usually takes people that have been canceled and gives them a platform brand risk boxing.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

But when you think about it, this ain't really a canceling thing, because cancel is like, if you say something like true freedom of speech being violated, like, we take advantage of that. Like, my organization, ISVK Commander Jenny Hanna, has Taught us how to utilize free speech to. When we go into corners and we say the things that we say, we say what free speech says. I could do it. So I could see Aiden saying if. If they was trying to shut Chud to build it down for saying the N word. And Aiden supported that. And you say like he supports people with cancer. I could see that. But chud's not being shut down for saying the N word. He's being shut down because he shot a black man who was a war veteran who did not want to participate in his games. I wish the war veteran had a weapon or would have shot him in the knee. Yeah, because I saw this in. In Virginia. I sent you this video too. In Virginia, there was a concert. There was this. It was. This is all white people. It just. So everybody can. They'll accept it more when it's all white people. So in Virginia, there was this. This guy, he's at a register. And so two YouTubers, they come up with the phone and they're putting the phone in his face and he says, you know, get the phone out my face. I don't want to be filmed. And they kept putting it in his face. And he calmly pulled out his gun and shot him right in the knee. Of course he gets arrested, he gets charged. But he was found not guilty because I guess, you know, that was his way of defending his space. Now that is something that you would stand by. But to stand by or justify, if America is supposed to be anti racist, nobody should stand with Chud the builder for shooting him because he was black. Nobody should.

[Host / Interviewer]

We'll see how it plays out.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, we'll see. I. You know, I don't know.

[Host / Interviewer]

I don't know, man. It's not looking good. It's really not.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Listen, I. Listen, I've seen. I've seen white people do things to black people. Get no indictment, get found not guilty, don't get charged. I remember Kai girl in Brooklyn, New York. The Asian officer was found guilty of killing him. And a Kai Gurley was just coming down his hallway in the projects. He didn't commit no crime. The Asian guy, I think they was looking for somebody. He got scared of him just coming down the stairs, shot and unalived him. They found him guilty and the prosecutor told the judge to give him no time. So. Yeah, I don't. I would never trust this system.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

You know, that's why black people think

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

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[Host / Interviewer]

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

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[Host / Interviewer]

Shout out to anti pose man stocking up the studio. I did want to ask you about this because you've debated this guy. So God Logic. Have you seen his lawsuit?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

God Logic got a lawsuit.

[Host / Interviewer]

He's getting sued.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Oh, he's getting sued.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Have you seen this?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No. Who's against God Logic?

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, I'll fill you in.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That's one of the nicest Christians I like God. Like, that's one of the nicest Christians I know. Who's suing God Logic.

[Host / Interviewer]

I'll fill you in on what happened. So he debated this Muslim called Muhammad, Muhammad Hajib. Do you know who that is? Hijab? I don't know, but nope. So he smoked him. So the guy sent him a copyright on YouTube to take the video down, and then I guess it worked. So he's basically suing God Logic and he took his video down.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

But if it. But if. Wait. So okay, wait. First of all, I want to say one God logic is horrible against me. Like, I beat him. I beat him in his own house. Damn. Yeah, I went to his house, smoked him in his own house. Dead serious. So, and that's why I said, like, I like God Logic. Like, outside of debates, he and I have a decent enough relationship. So when I was in Vegas, he knew I was in Vegas, invited me to his home, we debated, and then I beat him. But I'm confused because now he. Now I say that to say I think he's the best Christian I've ever debated. Really the best.

[Host / Interviewer]

Wow. I don't think nobody better than Jay Dyer.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Andrew Wilson. Jay Dyer is a child. Like, he's a child that wears a short helmet when he goes to school. That's all. Because I can't say the R word. So he's a child that wears a short helmet to school. He's better than Sam Shimon. If I had to rank him, I would put God Logic up there inspiring philosophy. He's another good one. And he's a white guy for those that think I'm biased. So that's God Logic. And inspired. I like them too. Yeah, but God Logic is an expert at beating Muslims. He's beating Muslims, like, left and right like it's nobody's business. I mean, he gets threats because he's beating them. Sheikh Uthman, the cat that you had in there, he's ducking him.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yep.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

If I can say, you know, when we talk about Muhammad, police be upon him. I know they don't like that, but, you know, that's what it is. And so. But if he took the video down, why is he still suing him?

[Host / Interviewer]

So God Logic didn't take the video down. The guy sent him a copyright strike.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Right, right. So you get the copyright strike.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

And so you have to take the video down.

[Host / Interviewer]

But God Logic's still talking about it. He's still talking about beating, why he

[Main Commentator / Debater]

can't talk about it.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, but he doesn't like that. So this Muhammad Haji debate no more.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Muhammad's a. Muhammad's a bitch. That's what we call a ass. Like, why are you that. Why take a debate if when you lose now you already got the video down? He gonna lose that lawsuit. I'm God Logic. I'm gonna pray for you, bro.

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[Host / Interviewer]

He did a GoFundMe and he raised 30,000 in, like, a couple hours. So.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

And so, like, when you say sue, like, sue for how much?

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[Host / Interviewer]

I don't know the details, but, man, could you imagine losing a debate and then suing the other guy, though?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, I can't. I don't lose debate.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

I don't know what that feels like. I don't know what that feels like to lose and say anything.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

I don't know that feeling. But apparently wild Muslims will do that to you.

[Host / Interviewer]

Has that happened to you where you beat someone so bad they took the debate down?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Vocab Malone.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, he took it down.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

The reason why I won't entertain Vocab Malone ever in life is because I went on his live stream. We're debating back and forth. So content is content. Like, even when I film with you, you haven't complained about me using the content. And so I take the video and I put it on my channel. And of course he lost. And he didn't. He didn't do the strike. Well, I don't. Well, it came as Like a warning. If I didn't take the video down, I will get a strike. And I didn't respect that because as. As Eve, there's things that I've done for vocab when he wanted certain things done, when he asked if I can get in contact with. So there's things that I've done with him and him being a white guy. And I still did things for him. So I didn't like that he gave me a strike. So I went through that, but I took the video down. But I keep talking about it.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

And I told him to his face, like I would. I called him. I think I called him a. To his face. Yeah. I'm different.

[Host / Interviewer]

I don't respect that, though.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

I don't respect that at all.

[Host / Interviewer]

You gotta own up to it.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

You gotta own up to it. Like. Like even in. Even when you have debates, every debate that you have, there's gonna be a spot where you might not look good, right? Where you might have answered the question wrong. Like, I've had that. Like, I've not answered the question right. And so people get their viral clip where they say, look, I got Cap here, I got Cap there. I ain't never told nobody, hey, take that video down. I ain't never put no strike on the channel. I ain't never did nothing like that. It didn't make no sense to me to do it. Just.

[Host / Interviewer]

I feel up.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Let it do it. Yes. I don't respect the Muslims, but I ain't surprised because the Muslims been on God logic for a minute. Yeah, I told logic he need to have some security with him.

[Host / Interviewer]

You think they're violent like that? Yeah, damn Muslims.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Muslims. I think there was a couple months ago, I think he was in a park or something like that, and some Muslims kind of walked up to him. So I told him, I said, you shouldn't go anywhere. You know, I advised him. Who knows if he listened to it or not. You know, Christians, you know, they hard.

[Host / Interviewer]

I mean, you piss a lot of people off. Do you feel like you. You need to roll with longer?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

It's our protocol. Even if I didn't piss nobody off, really. In our school, we always take shemar. We call it shemar. Security for us so that they can. Because I'm debating, I'm not watching, Right. So they're the ones watching. That's what shemar means. Shemar means watch. So we always take somebody with us.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn. Yeah, that's smart.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That's smart. Yeah. You think about what we say. We say way more Crazy than God. Elijah, that Muslim wouldn't want to talk to me.

[Host / Interviewer]

No.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

You see shoot upon almost ended the debate when I said police be upon him.

[Host / Interviewer]

He almost called it.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

He almost called it.

[Host / Interviewer]

That was a good one, bro. I want to set you guys up again.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, I would like to. We were supposed to. And this how I know I beat him because we were supposed to do something again. But he won't contact me. No, I've, I've text him, I've called him and he won't contact me back. So you, when you speak to him again, you tell him exactly what I said. That's how he know he lost.

[Host / Interviewer]

He hasn't done a debate since I won. It's been a while.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That bad?

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

And then that one I wasn't even, I couldn't even attack him. I felt like I misunderstood when you sent me. Like you didn't do anything wrong. But when you sent me the subject, I misunderstood it. I looked at it as is the Bible, the word of God. Like it was going to be an offense defense. But really it was all me on defense, him on offense.

[Host / Interviewer]

That's true.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So I had to work away to make him talk about that Quran, which I did. But he won't. I mean I would love for him to debate, but it just got to be. Yeah.

[Host / Interviewer]

You didn't get any crossfire on your end?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, I couldn't because the way the title was. So I had to take every question he had and the only thing I could do was get to talk about Muhammad and Aisha.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. And that worked.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, it worked. That worked wonderful. That worked wonderful. Because then they get to show like for all the righteousness they say in the Quran you can still sleep with a nine year old.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Who apparently that was his. That was her second courtship. So she had already courted one, one man before Muhammad. So they just passing around little kids like left and right.

[Host / Interviewer]

Nuts. Why do you think Islam's the fastest growing religion right now?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Cuz I think we the humans want to have some type of spirituality and I think Christianity is failing so much from finding out about child molestation and gay like in, in New York, the Roman Catholic Church just settled almost a billion dollars.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, I'll send you the link for that too because I did a story on it. Like they just got finished settling almost a billion dollars for victims of child molestation. So you got people looking at the Christian church and seeing the hypocrisy in it and they just haven't studied or looked at the Quran enough. To know that it has nothing to do with the Bible, but because they talk about Allah and God and Jesus and he's a prophet and stuff like that, it seems like the easy transition to kind of keep your spirituality. But then once you get into Islam and start seeing all the. With that, you'll leave that too. But I think that's why it's one of the fastest growing. It's looked at as the more disciplined one. Even though they just as savage.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

When you go to the sub Saharan, like, they always like to talk about the transatlantic slave trade and the Spanish Inquisition, the doctrine of discovery, but they don't ever talk about the sub Saharan slave trade. A lot of Africans are Muslims because of slavery. Excuse me, because of the sub Saharan slave trade. Because the Muslims was out there slaying and unaliving people left and right and pretty much doing the same thing as Christians. But first, people forget about that part of history. So that. That's what. That's really what it is. The same way we are Christians through the sword is the same way a lot of these people are Muslims is also through the sword. It's the same exact thing.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. I didn't know a lot of Africans are Muslims.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, a lot of Africans. Well, Africans is probably. If they ain't Christian, they Muslim. Like Christianity, I think is still number one. Muslims is number two. But it's rising because Christianity is so flawed.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Is your stuff going pretty quick too, or being Israelite? Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Oh, yeah. This joint jumping.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Like the past. I want to say maybe like the past four years as it has really been. I think the more that we've been, the more that the Internet has caught up with us or social media has caught up with us. Like being an Israelite. Black people waking up to being an Israelite. You'll start seeing it in the 1800s. My organization was founded in 1969, so we've been teaching this since that long. But in the past couple years, getting on the different platforms has exposed us. And it starts off as curiosity first.

[Host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So I had like, Tyler Oliveira want to come by. I had.

[Host / Interviewer]

I can't remember that one guy, Fred came by. I texted you.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, Fred. Fred came by. So a lot of people, the curiosity they want to see, like, are we as crazy as the videos look? Yeah. And then when you talk to us and see, oh, they ain't as dumb as I thought. Now more people want to communicate with us. Like, the past four years, I've seen it jump. I just kicked. This was it Thorough dares. He's a. Well, he says he's Nigerian. He came to our Passover event with a white woman, so we kicked them all out.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, shit.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, damn.

[Host / Interviewer]

You didn't let him in?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, well, we was gonna let him in, but I told him his fake white girlfriend because he told us it was his girlfriend. But when they get there, we find out that she's just a content creator too.

[Host / Interviewer]

Ah, damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So then I tell him, I said, well, you know, we gotta put her out. I said, if you wanna stay, we'll let you stay. So he was like, okay, cool. So when we go to kick her out, he jumps in front of us and says, I'm not letting you put my white girl out. And so I told Ishayallah to scoop him up and get him up out of there. So he scooped him up. So he knew we was gonna put him out? Yeah, but he didn't know he was going to scoop him up. So when we scoop him up, that's legit, like his. So his facial reaction to that is a pure reaction. So they scoop him up and then we threw him out.

[Host / Interviewer]

So you don't allow any white people on on the property?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No.

[Host / Interviewer]

Wow.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

If your daddy white, you can't. Now if your mom is white, but your daddy is one of us, then that's fine. But if your daddy's a white person or not an Israelite, I'll say. So if your daddy's African or something like that, you can't.

[Host / Interviewer]

How do you verify that?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

We ask them.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, so you just trust their word?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Not always. Because sometimes, like if we ask and we gauge it, you know, by the way they act, the way they look, maybe their mannerisms. People may not understand when I say this, but we gauge it by the spirit too. So if I can look at their spirit, I can tell some are your

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

Like, there was one time this African came to my school and he was like, I'm Jamaican. I didn't believe him, but one of the men that outranked me said, no, let's see. And we bring him up in there and I ended up throwing him down the stairs because he like jumped up. Talk about I rebuke y' all or something like that.

[Host / Interviewer]

Holy crap.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So me and General Haas, we grabbed him and threw his ass down the stairs and got him up out of there.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah.

[Host / Interviewer]

So you can. You have like a sixth sense. You could tell sometimes.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah. Sometimes.

[Host / Interviewer]

Look at their spirit.

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Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

You gaze their spirit. You start. So, like, if they say they not white, you just start talking about white people enough. They say they're not African. You start talking about African people enough. You. You know, it's very. It ain't that hard. It ain't. It ain't magic like that to find out. But you can find out. It's not that hard.

[Host / Interviewer]

Who are you debating next? You gonna debate 607 UNC again?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, I think. I think it's either 607 or Big Homie.

[Host / Interviewer]

Big homie? Oh, that'd be a good one.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

It's not gonna be that good.

[Host / Interviewer]

I actually like big homie, to be honest. He's a good dude.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, big homie's a good dude. But people. People don't understand. Like, when it comes to debate, I think people have a concept of debating but not knowing what it really is. So big homie, he probably think he's gonna do well, he's gonna fail bad. I try to treat him a little differently. Cause he's a brother. I'd be like, hey, you sure you wanna do this? But yeah, that's the next one I got coming up. 607. When we sat. When I sat with 607 the first time, it was interesting because I thought it was going to be really a debate. But then when he was talking, I was like, okay, I understand what he's saying. But I didn't know why he was saying it that way. So then I became his translator. You know, like, with a deaf person, can't talk, so they do the hand sign. And somebody trained. So he was deaf. And I just became his translator. And it kind of made for a good enough connection. So we are. We are going to do a part two, and we'll just see how it goes. And I'm cool. So I'm at a point where if you ain't battling me, then I'll just have a conversation.

[Host / Interviewer]

You'll be nice.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

But if you begin to battle me because. Because I turn into a different person when it's battling. Because debating. I have to kill you.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Like, I have to break you.

[Host / Interviewer]

I have to. I saw that.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah.

[Host / Interviewer]

You were a different person.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah. Like, if we're in debate mode, I'm not nice. I'm not kind. I'm an. I'm an antagonist. I'm on offense. I'm on defense. I'll play dumb. I'll make you think you smart. I do all of that in one debate. So it's a whole different mood. And not up until this point, nobody's been able to handle it. I feel all the way.

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[Host / Interviewer]

What's the most heated it's got with someone?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

There was a cat. He's in jail now for PDF.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, you said this last time.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, he act like he wanted to fight one time.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, so we tested that.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh yeah, you threw hands after.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, no, we, we didn't. I just said, I just said if you want to cross the rope, you know, across the line and he didn't want to do that.

[Host / Interviewer]

I want to do a reparations debate with you, but I feel like it might get too heated.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Reparations debate?

[Host / Interviewer]

Did you see the one I just did with Austin?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

With that white boy? Yeah, I would love to have that conversation with that white boy. Austin. Austin is terrible.

[Host / Interviewer]

He's too nice.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Well, he's too dumb. Like what he, he. What, what it is, is. And, and this, the thing about debates. You can't be afraid of being offensive in a debate. So I get why you're saying too nice. And if you have a, if you, if, if you battling a white person on the subject of reparations and you love white people, it's gonna be hard to have that conversation because you have to go for the juggler. And what that white guy did, that white guy had no problem going for the juggler. So if you're not willing to go there with your opponent, then don't get in the ring with that opponent. That's any. If I, if I'm not willing to go wherever place he's going, then I should not get in that ring. If I know he's gonna be an utter savage and I'm trying to be nice and I think being cool gonna get it. No, because as he's being a savage and I come. Well, you can't really say that like that. You know, I'm gonna look bad 100%. Yeah. So I would love. Yeah, I would love to have that conversation. I'll send that reparation.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, Austin, I felt like he was holding back. He's got a lot of white friends. He's. He's half white, I think anyways, so.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Oh, I didn't know he was half white.

[Host / Interviewer]

Well, he looks like he's light skinned,

[Main Commentator / Debater]

but yeah, you can't be afraid to offend. And if your white friends don't understand because. And here's the crazy part, and this is what black people suffer from. Black people be trying to defend. Be trying to think about white people's feelings when they have conversations, but white people are never thinking about our feelings when they have convers. No, listen, there's nobody that love white people more than black people. Nobody. Nobody that loves America more than black people. Then nobody loves more than black people. White people. Now, if we can transition that love to our own people, it'd be absolutely amazing.

[Host / Interviewer]

That clip went viral when you said black cities. Yeah, yeah. You want that?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, because it would be great. And the thing about it is, I wonder if they're pissed at the black city or if they're more pissed that their city would be shit.

[Host / Interviewer]

Good point. A lot of them were commenting like you already have them, but they're hoods, you know, they were those.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Not our cities, though.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

When I'm saying our city, the policing of that city, absolute taking care of, like when they talk about their hoods. Right. We notice in. In two cities, you have two different areas. They call it suburbs and they call it urban.

[Host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

The urban is more where we're at. The suburban is more where white people at. But the police, the governor, the mayor is responsible for both cities, whether it's urban or suburban is responsible for the same city. So if the policing is better in the suburbs, but it's not better in urbans, that's not our fault. That's not the community's fault. That's who's ever in charge of the community. So when I'm saying our own cities, I'm not talking about a city that's predominantly black. I'm talking about a city that's run by. By us, the right way, if we can. I was looking at this. There was this stat on Instagram I was seeing, like in the early 60s or 70s, the Black Panthers had a breakfast program. A breakfast program that I think went out to 45 different locations where they was taking their own resources and funding and providing food and breakfast to children because of how important that is. And if a child wakes up and they can't eat, you can't ask them to do anything because their belly is empty. And the Panthers understood that. And the answer by the government was to infiltrate and destroy the Panthers. That's what I mean. Imagine if the Panthers were left alone. That breakfast program would have turned into a lunch program, would have turned into a dinner program, would have turned into other programs. And that's the threat. That's what I mean. So if you want to talk about black cities, let's talk about genuine black cities. That we had. And look at the destruction and then look at the governmental replacement and then what they did not do and what they allowed. So drugs is allowed in the urban areas. It's not allowed in the suburban areas. Who's controlling that? Because we're not. Right now, we're controlling it as far as accepting. And so when you take a. When you take a people impoverished, they'll look at anything as survival. So drugs became the survival. The guns became the survival. Because we think that's all that we have, because that's all we have access to. But if those drugs and stuff were to stop, if we would stop being systematically targeted, our cities will be just fine. So it's not about just black people being in the city. It's about who's taking care of the city.

[Host / Interviewer]

Right. At the same time, why do you think the government constantly targets the black community?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Because our. Our rise is their fall.

[Host / Interviewer]

So you think. So they think that the black people will accumulate and overtake the government?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Not even overtake. We wouldn't even bother y'. All.

[Host / Interviewer]

What do you mean?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

When the Great Depression happened in the 1900s, that's when. That's. That was only about white people. That was not about black people. That's another thing. Black people. I remember when the towers fell and they, like we in a recession. I thought black people had been in a recession since we've been in America. But during the Great depression in the 1900s, you had white people. It was very poor time. But black people, that's when we was building our cities. And even as we always talk about them black cities, you'll never hear about them trying to take over any other city. You never hear them trying to take over the government, do this, do that. The reason why the white man has that in his mind is because that's what he does. When the thirteen colonies was established, the white man disguised himself as the Indians because he was a bitch. He didn't want to be a man and just do it, but disguised themselves as Indians. And they developed. They did the Boston Tea Party, then went to war with the Britons and then won that war, established the thirteen colonies. Then the Southern states say, well, we got more slaves, their men, we got more power than you. They wanted to separate, and so they had the Civil War. The south loses the war. They make the compromise of 3/5 of a man. And so now they continue. So the white man, because he thinks that way, he thinks we think that way. That's why. So when he see us grow them cities in like 20 to 30 years removed from slavery. That's an instant threat. When he see the education that we are able to develop, even athleticism that we're able to develop, the baseball leagues that we were able to develop, all of that is a threat to him because he's a capitalist. In order to capitalize, you have to capitalize against your enemies, against your opponents. We'll always be an opponent. There's a good book called the Black Image in the white Mind. It was written from 1814 to 1917. It's 100 year book by Charles Frederickson. I believe is the the man's name. And in that book he breaks down the history of black people and white people. And it says in there that we are like oil and water. America was never meant for us blacks to be free. It was always meant for us to be enslaved.

[Host / Interviewer]

Wow.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So now you're taking two people that live in two different directions and they're now asking them to mesh together.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So we can't mess together. We'll always be an enemy here. They'll give us a few tokens like they gave the African president. Because he's not black. He's African. They gave the African president. They'll give you the Black Caucus, they'll give you the naacp. They'll give you things to pacify you, but they'll never give you true power. Because if you get power, just like it's inspiring. Like, I think this is the 250th year coming up.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

For America. You know how inspiring that is for white America? Yeah, that's for white kids to say this country been established for 250 years. It's inspiring. They can go read the stories. They can read about George Washington, what he did. They can read about all the different white heroes that they did. And it's inspiring for them to do better. If we had something inspiring for us to do better, the white man looks at it like we would think to dominate him. So that's why. Because we're the threat. We're never not going to be a threat here at all. There's not one point in time that we'll live in this place that we won't be a threat.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn. Yeah, you're right though. They'll give you some. Some crumbs like MLK Day, Black History Month.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Okay. Day Black kid. And then they'll take that shit like, I don't like it. I don't like Martin Luther King at all.

[Host / Interviewer]

Really?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No. Hell no.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

He. I don't think he liked himself, David Banner been getting a lot of flack. So David Banner was saying that he don't believe that Martin Luther King liked himself when he died.

[Host / Interviewer]

Wow.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Because Martin Luther King made the statement he feel like he leading his people into a burning bush. I saw that because and I agree with David Banner 100% because what David Banner is trying to get people to see. If Martin Luther King makes that statement, then he's regretting what he's doing and he's seeing the real flowing ad budget

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

I got my people kissing the white man's ass and we still not getting nothing. And then maybe thinking about what we had before we was kissing the white man's ass and when we had something and regretting it, you got to get out of your feelings. So that's why I don't like Martin. Because Martin, every time somebody like myself speaks this way, white people are going to bring up Martin and say, we got to bring like that. We got to speak like that. We got to speak togetherness. Even though with all that togetherness that Martin taught, he still was killed by a white man.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So it didn't matter. But then Trump, he don't want that MLK day, he don't want Juneteenth, he don't want none of these days. So they'll never want us to fully be ourselves here. And it'll always be like that. So what we have to realize is that we should stop asking to get along with them. We shouldn't ask to not get along with them. We shouldn't ask them for nothing except to leave us alone. And when I say leave us alone, no drugs, no abortion clinics, no gay agenda, no, none of that. And then just see how we would be if you stop systematically oppressing us, leave us alone for 10 years. And if we're not better, then go ahead and systematically oppress us and keep it up and say, hey, we gave you out 10 years. Y' all didn't do nothing. But I guarantee you, if they was to stop systematically oppressing us in 10 years, our cities, our communities and everything would be better.

[Host / Interviewer]

Wow. So that's what you're trying to do right now.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Basically, that's what I would prefer, yes.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So when we go into our communities, it's not about separating from white people in the sense that you can't live in a society because even that's weak. It's weak to say that I can't work among white people. I can't be around white people. It's like I don't have the fortitude to do so. I can't be around them and do my job. They do their job. But then you support your people and I support your people. Yes, I can. But we have to get rid of that fear of them. There's another video that I' ma send you of this little black girl. I put this on my Instagram channel. This little black girl is in the park, and her mother put the video up. The little black girls in the park, and she's crying, and a white female officer is walking up to her. And a female officer is walking up to her and talking to a kind. She's not there to attack her. But the problem was when the cops came in there, that female officer included, and they were looking for somebody, and running through the little white, little black girl, put her hands up in the air, began to cry because she thought she was going to die because she saw the police.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Now, remember, the police are supposed to protect and serve.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

But the stigma that black people have of police, that they're going to kill us. And it's instilled in us at that young age. And that's why the mother put it up, to show the psychological trauma that we've experienced. Now, racist white people or people that don't have compassion would say, how long are we going to talk about this? If somebody actually listens, we have to keep talking about it because it keeps happening. If you want us to stop talking about it, stop letting it happen. And then when you talk about it, they can say, hey, man, we gave you all the 10 years. Why you still talking about it? Hey, we did this. Why y' all still talk about it?

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

Well, y' all still talk about it, but there's. There's nothing that they've done that's tangible enough for me to stop talking about it.

[Host / Interviewer]

So, yeah, it's generational trauma at this point.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah. You know, they did a test, two tests. One, they showed how slavery was in the DNA.

[Host / Interviewer]

Wait, what?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Slavery was in the DNA, Meaning that if you take a woman that's pregnant, she could pass anything hereditarily. Alcoholism could get passed down. High blood pressure, XYZ trauma during that pregnancy can get passed down, too. So they showed how the traumas of slavery would pass from the father to the mother, from the mother to the baby, and then that baby comes out with that trauma.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Then they did this. They. I love talking about this part, it was the cherry tree. And the mice test, they had this cherry. So imagine this is the cherry. They put this cherry, and they put these mice. I don't know how many mice they put in there, but they put these mice, and the mice would go to the cherry. Mice was eating the cherry, kept eating the cherry. And then what they did was they put a grate around the cherry that had an electric shock. And the electric shock didn't kill you, but it almost would kill them. And so them same mice that was going to the cherry tree start going to the cherry tree, but then they keep getting shocked, keep getting shot, keep getting shot, keep getting shot, keep getting shot, keep getting shot. And so then they removed the shock. They removed the shock, but the mice still wouldn't go to that cherry tree. Because what the test was showing is that it wasn't the shock that they was remembering now. It's the smell of the tree. So the smell of that tree. If they smelled that tree, they stayed away. Then they started mating the mice, but they were mating the mice with mice that had no memory of the tree. And so as they were mating, the mice, the babies, still wasn't going until the fifth generation.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Of mating.

[Host / Interviewer]

That's crazy.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That's how long they had to mate the mice before they would go to that tree again.

[Host / Interviewer]

So if slavery was 150 years ago, that makes sense. So people are still living with that trauma. Still.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Still. Because although the mental. Excuse me, the physical shackles are gone, the mental shackles is still there.

[Host / Interviewer]

And it'll still be there for two years.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

It'll still be there. Yep. What I love about my organization is that we have taught our people to get rid of those mental shackles. So now when the mental shackles come off of me, when I raise my children, I don't raise them with an inferiority to white people complex. I don't raise them to where, like what white people may not understand. When black people raise their kids inherently, when a white person comes along, they make the kid sit upright. They make the kid behave. That's true when they're around black kids, when they're around black families and stuff like that, all the kids can act however they want, but when a white person comes around, they instantly make them sit up, Right?

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

When we're driving in the car with our kids in the car, if a cop car comes behind us, because we're so racially profiled, we tell the kids, stop moving. As if kids now can't move in the car. If I. We make sure the seat belt is on. We make sure we. At 10 to 2 we're driving a certain way. Well, yes, sir. No ma'.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

Thank you, sir. Like that. But with our people, we're not. So we're teaching our children that I can act however I want with black people, but with white people I have to be on my P's and Q's. Whereas in our school we teach you to treat people how they deserve to be treated, no matter who they are. So we don't treat our children or myself. I don't treat white people cruel because they're white. If you deserve to be treated cruel, you will. If you deserve to have respect, you will. So that's how you get rid of that mental. So ISUBK is like the cure for that cherry tree.

[Host / Interviewer]

Interesting.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah.

[Host / Interviewer]

So you don't view white people a certain way?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

I view them as the devil. I like when I make them laugh in the back.

[Host / Interviewer]

Now are there rankings though? Because you got Asians, you got Europeans, you got American, whites, like do you see them differently or all the same?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah. The white man is the quintessential devil.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Like the epitome. Like cuz we could be devil, like black people could be devils. Like in the Bible, in John 8:44, Christ said, Ye of your father, the devil. He was talking to his own people when he said that. So this is not to say that I can't be a devil now, I'm not a devil. I'm just using it as an example. So when we say the devil, when you talk about somebody that personifies deception, thievery, murder, grape PDF, war, violence, that is the white man. Now after that, I. In my order, this is my order. I will put whites, Arabs, Asians. No, whites, Arabs, Africans, Asians, and then everybody else.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, okay. So you got Asians above Africans?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, no, no, I got Africans above Asians. Okay, so it's, it's whites, Arabs, Africans, Asians. That's my order.

[Host / Interviewer]

Got it.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

And I. So I do. The whites, because that's obvious. The Arabs, because they also had us enslaved, they're just as diabolical. The Africans, they're the ones that sold us to the white man. And the Asians, they the ones that take advantage of us in black communities and shit like that. So that's, that's my order.

[Host / Interviewer]

Asians do that.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

The Asians come into our community and do everything, really. The beauty supply store, the Chinese restaurants. Yeah, when you go, when women go, when our sisters go get their hair and nails done, it's An Asian doing

[Host / Interviewer]

that isn't that good, though. It's cheap.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, I would rather that job. It's a job, though. Think about the money that they make. So when a black person has her own nail salon, store, pedicure shop, that money should be funneled into her.

[Host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

But we're not allowed to have those businesses. Like, our businesses were sold. Like, the white man used us. Like, when the white man want to sell, sell black people, he sells us the best way he tell the other nations, oh, we're going to put y' all in. Y' all in. In the black community. And you're going to flourish. That's why East Indians can come into the town. Arabs, the Chinese, they can all come into black communities. And we have to, we have to create things like buy black. You never heard, you never heard Asians say buy Asian.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

You never heard Africans say by African. You never heard America say buy American. You don't hear that. You hear that with us. Because our businesses were targeted. Our businesses were destroyed.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So we're the cure for that. So we teach us to buy. And I'm not against buying from any business. If. If it's good, it's good. Like, I don't think you should buy from a black business just because they black. If it's trash, okay. But if it's good, then you should support it.

[Host / Interviewer]

But you'll pay extra knowing it's a black business versus a white owned business.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Would I pay extra?

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. For the same quality service?

[Marketing Professional]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Because I think we all pay extra. Like, because we pay by brand now. Brand makes it extra. Like, I just saw some people. What's the. What's that watch? Was it ap?

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Ap, These motherfuckers was going crazy over AP Watch. First of all, this is what I mean by brand. First of all, entertainers were mad that AP was even making the watch.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Because it was cheap.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Because it was cheap. Because their goal was to floss. I got this AP watch. So it was like a status. So this goes to what? I pay more for somebody else. I think we all pay more. Cause you're paying for the brand as opposed to the shoe.

[Host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

If the shoes are the same quality and you got a choice between Jordans and Shaq's, Most people are buying Jordans even though Shaq made his sneaker that price. So you wouldn't be unaliving for the Jordans. Stephon Marbury is another brother. Stephon Marbury made his sneaker cheaper so that People wouldn't unalive. But people didn't want to buy Stefan Marbury's because it didn't cost.

[Host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

The brand, because we pay for the cost. We, we needed to cost that much money so when people see us, we have something. So that's what I want to point out. But that AP thing is crazy. And that goes to the psychology because people was lining up in the stores and droves, they riding, they fighting over a 300 watch. And then I heard they was marking the price up to like a thousand dollars. $3,000. And then AP selling more of them. So it's not even like a, it's not going to become a classic item. No, they selling it.

[Host / Interviewer]

That was dumb.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, they just selling it.

[Host / Interviewer]

But people are hurting, man. The economy is terrible these days. I can't even fault them honestly for buying.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Wait, I'm a fault. I' ma fault somebody for buying. Paying 3, 500 for a 300 watch I'm gonna fault.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, that's dumb. No, I'm saying the people are you

[Main Commentator / Debater]

about the people that are selling it

[Host / Interviewer]

that waited in line for a day and.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, that's dumb.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, I mean it's dumb. But the economy sucks right now, so I can't even be mad about it.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

I would fault them for staying in line.

[Host / Interviewer]

I mean me and you wouldn't do it.

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I remember telling my boss it'll be good for the brand when leads were slow.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, it wasn't.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, that's what I'm saying. If you're broke, why wait in line for a watch that you can get when the frenzy's over? Like the frenzy is about to be over. Yeah, when the frenzy's over, you'll be able to get that watch on Amazon.

[Host / Interviewer]

Well, probably one day, but for now they're selling it at 3x or whatever. So would it be me though? I'm not waiting.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, no.

[Host / Interviewer]

Hell no. I got a list of names here to end things off. I want you to say what comes to mind.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Okay, Wait, let me drink this.

[Host / Interviewer]

I got some fun ones here. Sexy Red.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

A roach.

[Host / Interviewer]

You don't like her?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

No, but I pity her. I pity Sexy Red because Sexy Red represents. And I'd be wanting to like Sexy Red, but Sexy Red does things that makes me hate her.

[Host / Interviewer]

Some people think she's a CIA op. I don't know if you've seen that.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

If you call Sexy Red a CIA op, but you're not calling the label that she's on a CIA op, then you're slow, because it's very easy to target sexy red. This is why I have a little bit of compassion for sexy red. Sexy red is a poor black woman in the ghetto, just like we're all poor in the ghetto. And she wants to get out of the ghetto. So what access does she have? Because she has to be a miracle in the black community. You have to be a miracle. When a black person comes, goes to college, everybody celebrates her because you have to be a miracle. So she says, well, I'm gonna make this music because this is how I can make money. Because I'm told, I'm raised, that this is the only way I can make money musically. This is the only music that'll sell. Now, who controls what music gets sold? The small hats. They control it. So why aren't the small hats the true psyop? And then attack that? Because it's easier to attack sexy Red. I'm not condoning the behavior. That's why I said she's a roach. I'm not condoning the things that she say. But if I had to stop sexy Red, I'm not attacking sexy red. I'm attacking the corporation that made sexyy red feel comfortable to do what she's doing. I feel that because if there was a corporation that said, we're not promoting that, that does not sell, then she would act differently. So the real psyop is the label that signed her. That's the psyop. She's not the psyop. But most people are afraid to attack and say that. So sexy red is the easy target.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. People want to talk a known face.

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

Right. They want to attack the weak one.

[Host / Interviewer]

Right.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

The strength is the. The small hats that's in charge. We should be talking against them. I don't see as much people talking about them as they talk about sexy red. Because she's easy to talk about.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Kanye West.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Kanye west is probably my hero.

[Host / Interviewer]

Wow.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

In this regard. I hate Kanye west with them white women. So I want that on the record. But Kanye west is a hero of somebody that does it his way no matter what. In an age where and lost billions.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Lost. Advertisement. Lost friends. Lost so much. But doing it his way was that important. And I think Moore should look at that like, he had no problem. Talk about the small hats. He had no problem battling the small hats. He sacrificed his sneaker deal. He sacrificed so much. That's why he's a hero. Like, he's an absolute hero. And a treasure. I don't condone his sexual deviancy is what I call it, for dealing. You deal with white women, you're a sexual deviant. But outside of that, what he does and how he does it, and. And you know, he's everybody else's hero because when he went and performed, look at his stage shows.

[Host / Interviewer]

Sold out.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Look at his presence. Sold out. If. If they would have let him into Europe, he'd have sold out there. And what I said on this podcast, that they ain't release it yet. That's some gay shit. But I ain't going to say nothing. But what I had said was the reason why they won't let him perform in Europe and the reason why is because they thought they defeated Kanye. They thought that they beat Kanye west enough to where, okay, we gonna let him perform, but he ain't gonna sell out. And then they saw him sold out and they were like, damn, he didn't miss a beat. We got to stop that. And so that's why Kanye west is a hero is what I would call him.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, I agree. This one's an interesting one. You've been on a show, I think Adam 22.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Adam 22, he's another masochistic freak ass boy. That's a freak booty boy. That's a. That's. He's gay too. Like, and when I'm saying gay, I ain't seen him do no gay. But if we was ever found out he did gay, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Host / Interviewer]

No one would be surprised.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah. Because any man that would let another.

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That.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Any man that wants to watch his man. Woman get by another man. You're gay.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So that's what I think. I. I think. I think he knows how to run content. He filters out. I don't know if anybody pays attention, but outside of maybe core people that are employed by him, he knows how to flush in and out people, so he's good at what he does. But he's a gay freaky ass boy.

[Host / Interviewer]

Can't argue with that. Erica Kirk.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Erica Kirk is a useless prop. Damn. Like, she's useless. Like, what. What the. Like, what was Erica before Charlie, except Charlie's wife? She was nothing. And it's. And Charlie was the face. Charlie was the one that galvanized America by battling college students. He was the one that spoke on various topics. He was a lightning rod for Trump and the whole nine yards. And so when I say a faceless and useless prop is because Charlie Kirk's death is the only reason they're Using Erica. Erica don't have personality. She don't know how to talk. She's just somebody that they throw out there to take advantage of Charlie Kirk's death. If I was her, I would sit my ass down somewhere. That's why the best content creator that I know of, Drew Ski.

[Host / Interviewer]

Drew Ski, Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That's why he made a skit. Cause he's pointless. She's just a blonde bimbo, man.

[Host / Interviewer]

That thing went viral.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, that's it.

[Host / Interviewer]

White face.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, yeah, that white face.

[Host / Interviewer]

What do you think of whiteface?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

I don't think it's white face, like blackface. I think it's comedy. I compare what Drew Ski did, the best comparison for people to understand. And I'm gonna use this so you can understand the difference. Blackface is derogatory.

[Host / Interviewer]

How so, though?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Cause blackface, when you think about blackface, that's when they had the sambos, the mammys. It was about making fun of black people in a animalistic way. That's what blackface is. But now what Drew Ski did is comparable to what Robert Downey Jr. Did in Tropic Thunder. You ever seen Tropic Thunder?

[Host / Interviewer]

I haven't seen that one.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

When you get a chance, watch Tropic Thunder. Tropic Thunder. Robert Downey Jr. Played in the movie, so now in the movie, he's an actor. So he's playing an actor. That trend, that is he's a white actor that, because he's about to play a black person, gets cosmetic surgery to blacken his skin, blacken his lips, get an afro to go play this black man in a movie. And when I tell you it's one of the funniest roles I've seen, that's what it is. Robert Downey Jr. That was not blackface. That was comedy. What Drew Ski did was comedy. What the Wayans brothers did with white chicks, that's comedy. What Eddie Murphy did, that's comedy. So there's a comedy, comedic way that you can actually do it where it's not blackface. So. And that's why I'm using that, so nobody could say that I didn't agree with what Robert Downey Jr. I did. I thought it was the funniest shit ever. When he's like, you people, he said, what do you mean, you people? Like, the shit was funny as hell.

[Host / Interviewer]

That makes sense.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So when it comes to what Drew Ski did, that's not white face. That's just comedy. And Drew Ski has done comedy for everybody. And here's how you know, people are in Their feelings. Nobody said Drew Ski was wrong when he was the white hillbilly. Drew Ski did a comedy sketch where he was a white hillbilly. And if you didn't know it was Drew Ski, you'd have thought it was a white man. He sat there, the white man went through the drive through, rode through. I think some raceway was talking to other white people, drank with white people that don't even know. Unless that's part of the skit. I ain't even think he did the shit so good. I didn't even think that the white people that he was drinking with knew he was white. That's how good he did it. And nobody care. It's because it's because of a white woman. It's because it's a white woman. And it's because it was Charlie Kirk wife that they tried to make a big deal out of. But the shit is phenomenal.

[Host / Interviewer]

I agree. Two more. Jesse Lee Peterson.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Jesse Lee Peterson getting too old. That's what I would say. But. But Jesse Lee Peterson is somebody that. He's probably the greatest coon on YouTube. Definitely. I mean, and he. When I say troll. Now, if you want to talk about original troll, you got to put Jesse up there. I've seen Jesse troll everybody. Like I had the opportunity to be on his platform and I think I watched probably 25 of his videos beforehand.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So that I could be mentally prepared for his troll.

[Host / Interviewer]

So you knew he was gonna troll you?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, I knew. I knew it was gonna. I knew it was gonna be a troll. I had to answer the questions fast. He was gonn. But he's not dumb. One of my favorite episodes is when he got the gay man to lead the show. Cuz he asked that gay man, are you the husband or the wife? And he got him to leave. So. But I, I think he's the greatest coon, but he's also an excellent troll. He's one of the original first trolls. When you talk about on YouTube.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

And that's, that's what I think.

[Host / Interviewer]

Shout out to him. This one's interesting. I want to see how you answer this one. Michael Jackson.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is like, do I tear him down first or do I build him up? What do I do with Michael Jackson? So Michael Jackson. Right. If you take, if you just go with the entertainer Michael Jackson, there'll never be another Michael Jackson. David. Talk about the Chris Browns and the R. Kelly's. And as great as Chris Brown and R. Kelly is, they have limitations when it comes to Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson own black people, white people, Asians, Chinese. He can go to Bangladesh. He got Iranians loving them. When they had. When they go to the concerts, they got to have like 12ambulances because these white bitches going to pass out. Everybody like Michael Jackson go on. On a stage and he does like this. The crowd goes crazy. They crying. They doing all. There will never be a Michael Jackson. There's nobody that can galvanize people like that Michael Jackson. But all I said, he's weird, as you know, he said he got Villa Lago and the skin tones and changes and stuff like that. So there's definitely a downside. I hated the Michael Jackson movie because the Michael Jackson movie vilified Joe Jackson.

[Host / Interviewer]

Is that his dad?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah. And I don't think you got to look at. Joe Jackson is raising the boys and girls, I think collectively was nine or ten kids. Maybe say eight. I'm gonna just say eight, right? Let's say it's eight kids. I think it's nine or ten. He's raising them in Gary, Indiana, and he's made them all successful. All of their success is because of their father and their mother. And how do you vilify that in a movie and then make it seem like the white executives is saving Mike from Joe Jackson? Without Joe Jackson, there would be no Michael Jackson. There would be no Latoya Jackson, there'd be no Janet Jackson, there'd be no Jermaine. There would be none of that. So I hate the movie because they should never vilify it. But that's another example of what they do to black fathers, especially Hollywood. Hollywood. They were always vilified black fathers. You have the PDF charges?

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

On Michael Jackson. So you gotta always look at that when it comes to Michael Jackson. So every time when. So Michael Jackson from an entertainer. I think he's the greatest entertainer ever. I don't think no entertainer, white or black, can top him at all, ever. But I think there's also some demons in dark. I think he called women fish. He was like, look at the fish. There's a video I saw when he called the women fish. He was talking about women's titties. So clearly he wasn't as clean cut as he say. And I don't know if them kids is his.

[Host / Interviewer]

Damn.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

I don't know if them kids. I don't know about them kids being his, because it's one thing to say Mike got Villa Lago, but you said them kids ain't got no blackness to him. So I don't know if Them kids is his over some type of surrogacy or something like that? But so I do think he's the greatest entertainer, but I'm not a, I'm not a Michael Jackson person.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Because I don't know about that dark side of him. And I think children should take a precedence over celebrity status. And so I don't know if I can exonerate him like that. I haven't seen enough to exonerate him. A grown man with children in the bed with you or some freaky ass.

[Host / Interviewer]

That's weird.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

And if it wasn't Michael Jackson, if it was Michael Jenkins and you found out Michael Jinxing Jenkins has children in the bed with him, you're gonna say he's a pedophile.

[Host / Interviewer]

100.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

So if Michael Jenkins is a pedophile, Michael Jackson is a pedophile.

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, we'll do it. This was great. What's next for you, man?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

I'm going to do this joint with 607. See how that goes. I think I got some other stuff and just doing my regular debates. Oh, when we gonna get the Cliff and Cliff and the Netter one?

[Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, we got to do that. They only want to do virtual, though. Would you do that?

[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, I'll do the virtual if that's what they. Oh, they don't want to come to Vegas?

[Host / Interviewer]

Nah, I prefer in person, but, yeah,

[Main Commentator / Debater]

I think, I guess, I think maybe the last time you tell them I said this, the last time we was in person, we beat their ass.

[Host / Interviewer]

Oh, I'm a ton, right? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

That's probably why he don't want to do it.

[Host / Interviewer]

That one got a lot of views.

[Main Commentator / Debater]

But I, I, I don't mind doing it virtual. And if there's. I still would like. I'm gonna say on your live stream, I still would like to speak with. Who did I ask you about before? Nick Fuentes.

[Host / Interviewer]

Fuentes. Yeah. He turned it down last time, but now he's in some drama with blowing

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

Yeah, tell Nick, tell him. Talk to the black.

[Host / Interviewer]

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[Main Commentator / Debater]

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