Brandon Dey: The Breatharian Who Broke His Sternum and Awakened His Higher Self | DSH #1673

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Episode Summary

Podcast: Digital Social Hour
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Brandon Dey (Breatharian Institute)
Episode Title: Brandon Dey: The Breatharian Who Broke His Sternum and Awakened His Higher Self | DSH #1673
Date: December 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Brandon Dey from the Breatharian Institute—marking the first time the podcast features a guest from the Breatharian community. The conversation delves into Brandon’s spiritual journey, the mechanics and philosophy behind Breatharianism, mystical experiences with pain, the role of fate and free will, past lives, spiritual entities, the challenges and insights of fasting, and the impact of food and environment on spiritual awakening.

Brandon offers deeply personal narratives about radical experiences (like breaking his sternum and the “wall of fire”), encountering spiritual entities, and how these shaped his mission to help humans live more authentically and consciously. The episode remains open-minded, curious, and unorthodox, making for a rich and unconventional discussion about spirituality, the self, and the unseen forces around us.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breatharian Institute and Ascension (00:46–01:35)

• Brandon explains the mission: teaching people how to live as their Higher Self on Earth, actively creating a body “that can be a perfect home for the Higher self” (00:50).
• The Institute aims to guide humanity toward collective ascension, not through dogma but practical experience.

“We are… here doing, is giving the information that humanity needs in order to come to the next level… to create a body that can be a perfect home for the Higher self on Earth.” —Brandon (00:50)

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2. The Mystical “Wall of Fire” Experience (01:35–05:40)

• Brandon underwent extreme breathwork practices (2005-2011), which led to an intense nine-month “wall of fire” experience:
  • Persistent burning sensation in the body, akin to an inferno, relieved only through meditation (01:35–02:41).
  • He notes spiritual literature frequently references “fire” as a metaphor and literal experience for transformation.
  • After crossing this threshold, Brandon claims his body felt “permeable” and “his pores more open,” losing, for the first time, the sense of separation from others.
  • Instant karma: Post-experience, the consequences for negative thoughts or actions became “instantaneous and much more painful,” reinforcing rapid spiritual learning.

“I had to meditate in order to stay in my body because the pain was trying to—when you go through a lot of pain, it'll push you out of the body. And I was just afraid I would die…” —Brandon (01:53)
“My body now breathes. Like, my pores are somehow more open… I don't feel this feeling of separation that I used to feel. I just don't feel it at all.” —Brandon (04:34)

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3. Fate, Destiny, and the Higher Self (06:09–08:18)

• Debate on free will vs. destiny: Brandon argues that true free will is paradoxical when set against the larger plans of one's higher self.
• Describes higher self as a “greater body with different… tentacles that reach down”—an extension shared across “soul families.”

“If my free will is to do a certain thing that is against my higher self… then do I really have free will?... my higher self had a bigger plan, which is what brings destiny into the mix.” —Brandon (06:22)

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4. Soul Families, Past Lives, and Healing (08:18–16:31)

• Sean and Brandon exchange experiences of soul family resonance and past-life readings, with Brandon recounting a direct, transformative past-life memory involving a pre-cataclysmic civilization and giant ants in the “Cochise Mountains” (11:05–14:51).
• Both share stories of how clearing past-life trauma led to the physical disappearance of ailments and emotional burdens.
• Memory skepticism: Brandon insists on experiential validation over belief.

“Up until very recently, I didn't even believe in past lives… what do I know if I don't experience it? I don't know it.” —Brandon (09:06)
“I was utterly devastated because I could feel that the world was going through another cataclysm... But still the earth had to go through another cataclysm because of the evil in the world, that people were enslaving people...” —Brandon (12:37)

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5. Opinions, Social Media & Value (16:40–18:34)

• Brandon critiques the overabundance of opinion in the digital age: “Opinions should be the least important things in the whole universe… there’s an endless supply.”
• Distinguishes lived experience and research from mere opinions.

“Our opinions should be the least important things in the whole universe… there should be nothing, because… there's an endless supply.” —Brandon (17:40)

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6. Mentors, Early Trauma, Memory & Demons (18:34–23:45)

• Discussion of Brandon’s first mentor, Wiley Brooks, and pivotal childhood memories—some “buried to uncover later,” due to trauma and, in Brandon's words, a mind parasite/demon attaching at age 2.
• Food as spiritual vulnerability: “Food can attract demons… because it's the, like, energies.”

“I started to do as a very young child, was bury my memories inside of myself to uncover them later… I was very conscious about burying these memories because I knew I wasn't going to win the battle against this mind parasite.” —Brandon (21:13)

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7. Demons, Spiritual Entities & “Selling Your Soul” (23:45–38:34)

• Brandon shares nuanced perspectives on demons, seeing them more as teachers than enemies:
  • “They're simply doing their job… their job is to drag us to hell and put us through pain so that we can figure it out.” (24:45)
  • Recounts interactions with energetic vampires, Legion (the biblical demon), and Satan—describing the latter as courteous, respectful, and acknowledging the Creator (29:27–34:53).
• Art world anecdotes: Declines several “sell your soul” offers, which ranged from sexual favors to trading a friend’s life for material success.
• Discusses psychic/spiritual cords from sexual relations and how trauma and darkness can be transferred through food, sex, and social interaction.

“If you run into a vampire, give it whatever it's attracted to in you… It fulfills them. If you run into a vampire, give it whatever it's attracted to in you because it's going to be attracted to lower level stuff…” —Brandon (26:13)
“Every demonic presence that I've ever seen acknowledges the creator. It's only people who are sort of dim in that way who don't.” —Brandon (35:47)

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8. Modern Spirituality, False Gods, and the Structure of Reality (44:05–48:35)

• Brandon differentiates between “the Creator” and “God,” seeing God as “the president of this world.”
• Discusses his vision, where the “God of the Reptilians and the God of the Grays” agreed not to work against humanity anymore (44:05–45:49).
• Critiques modern religion's focus on business and false prophets, and underscores the importance of authenticity and individual spiritual creation.

“God to me is a title of the being who's sort of in charge of this world for this time. So as above, so below… so that's the way it's run on Earth...” —Brandon (44:05)

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9. The Weight of Creation and the Burden of Being Human (48:35–52:05)

• Brandon addresses the daunting responsibility of one’s creative thoughts: “The real feeling of one wrong thought can destroy my entire universe... that’s a heck of a responsibility.”
• Emphasizes not all beings on Earth are “human” in the same sense, theorizing that spiritual, moral, and even “creator” qualities differentiate people.

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10. Subconscious Mind, Information Hygiene, and Frequency (52:05–55:36)

• Discussion shifts to where thoughts come from—subconscious, environment, ancestral memory—and the importance of curating one’s informational and energetic diet.
• Sean notes he avoids music with negative lyrics to maintain his mood and vibration.
• Brandon is wary of the transition from analog to digital music, believing analog carries more of the Creator’s inherent energy.

“I’m so sensitive now that even certain songs will just trigger me… if it’s like negative lyrics… I can't even listen to this right now.” —Sean (53:41)

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11. Fasting, Food, and Energy Exchange (55:55–60:28)

• Fasting is powerful, especially in nature or away from eaters—being around people eating makes fasting much harder due to social/energetic signals to eat.
• Brandon is not strictly vegetarian, favoring clean, ethically sourced foods and “checking the energy” of what he eats.
• Consuming mass-produced, chemically treated, or fear-laden animal products introduces “chemical fear” into the body.
• There's a direct link between spiritual sensitivity and diet; eating “fear” can replicate vibrational states of fear in the body.
• Both Sean and Brandon discuss nuanced challenges in navigating the energetic implications of food and remaining sensitive to what's supportive for their bodies and spiritual development.

“When I go out into the woods… after day two, day three of not eating, I mean, I just feel fantastic. But as soon as I join the world of eaters again, I need to eat... It makes me super sensitive.” —Brandon (56:03)

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12. Initiatory Injury – Breaking the Sternum and the Bee Sting Catalyst (62:07–65:41)

• Brandon shares how breaking his sternum (2011) was a necessary spiritual initiation, triggering a “volcano” of chest energy and spiritual awakening.
• Immediately after, a bee stung his forehead, catalyzing a connection between his head and heart energies (“nerve fire”). This intensified the burning sensation and, according to Brandon, furthered his transformation.
• Connects the experience to the therapeutic uses of bees and bee stings (apitherapy).

“When I broke, [my sternum] it was like a volcano opened up in my chest. And I knew that this was the expansion that I’d worked 10 years to get to…” —Brandon (63:51)

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• On the higher self and guidance:
  “There is still this higher faculty that sort of guides me through life, that puts me in situations that I consciously would not want to be in.” —Brandon (00:12)
• On instant karma:
  “The pain level of making mistakes has definitely grown... The karma is instantaneous. I learn my lessons like quickly.” —Brandon (05:40)
• On the difference between experience and opinion:
  “If I don't experience it, I don't really believe it.” —Brandon (08:42)
• On the reality of spiritual-warfare:
  “Food can attract demons? Oh yeah, holy crap. Because it’s the, like, energies, you know…” —Brandon/Host (20:51)
• On energetic vampires:
  “…Fulfill this vampire. If you run into a vampire, give it whatever it’s attracted to in you because it’s going to be attracted to lower level stuff.” —Brandon (26:13)
• On responsibility and spiritual initiation:
  “That real feeling of one wrong thought can destroy my entire world, my entire universe. That’s crazy… It's not like, oh, we're all powerful. It's like, well, you know, that's a heck of a responsibility.” —Brandon (51:25)

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Pivotal Segment Timestamps

• Opening, Karma and Pain, Spiritual Guidance: (00:00–00:32)
• Brandon’s “Wall of Fire” Experience: (01:35–05:40)
• The Higher Self, Soul Families, and Past Lives: (06:09–14:51)
• Memories, Trauma, and Demons in Early Life: (18:34–23:45)
• On Encounters With Demons & Selling Your Soul: (23:45–38:34)
• Fasting, Diet, and the Spiritual Sensitivity of Food: (55:55–60:28)
• Breaking Sternum, Bee Sting, and Awakening: (62:07–65:41)

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Brandon’s "Wall of Fire" story (01:35–05:40) — perhaps the most powerful description of a spiritual trial on the show
• Experiential Past-Life Regression with “giant ants as saviors” (11:05–14:51) — an unusually vivid and emotional account
• The nuanced, non-demonizing take on spiritual entities (24:45–29:33), including Satan
• Behind-the-scenes on “sell your soul” art world offers (30:02–31:43) — a rare, candid look at the intersection of spirituality and the underbelly of elite circles
• Energy Exchange When Fasting (56:03–57:38) — actionable insight with real-world grounding

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a rich and unfiltered exploration into the less-traveled realms of spirituality—uncensored and unconventional. Brandon’s narratives challenge both mainstream and alternative teachings, favoring lived experience, self-responsibility, and a holistic, integrated approach to enlightenment and healing. The conversation balances the metaphysical with tangible advice on food, memory, self-awareness, and the journey of awakening.

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Find more about Brandon and the Breatharian Institute at Breatharian.com and on Instagram.

Transcript

[Brandon]

Karma is instantaneous, that I learn my lessons. The pain level of making mistakes has definitely grown.

[Podcast Host]

So you become like a master manifestor, something like that.

[Brandon]

I think, you know, everything's, you know, definitely working for me, but there is still this, this higher faculty that sort of guides me through life, that puts me in situations that I consciously would not want to be in.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, guys, really interesting episode today. Someone I found on social media. We got Brandon from the Breatharian Institute. I've never, in 2000 episodes, I've never had someone that is in your space. So I'm really excited about this one.

[Brandon]

Awesome. Me too, man.

[Podcast Host]

Could you explain for people that don't know what the Breatharian Institute is about and what the purpose is?

[Brandon]

Yeah. So we are an institute that basically is. Is on the Earth right now to give the information that people need in order to access the what, what people normally know as Ascension or living in as their higher self on Earth. That's. That's basically what we're here doing, is giving the information that humanity needs in order to come to the next level where we're not just people sort of dragging their higher self through an experience or being dragged through an experience by the higher Self, but actually to. To create a body that can be a perfect home for the Higher self on Earth.

[Podcast Host]

Right, and you found through breath work, there's states that you can achieve.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I. I did find that, but I essentially did a lot of breath work from around 2005 until 2011 and. And was doing very, very serious breath work then. And I went through something that I call the wall of fire and where my body burned for. It burned for about nine months straight on and off. And I mean, like an inferno, the kind of fire that I had to meditate in order to stay in my body because the pain was trying to. When you go through a lot of pain, it'll push you out of the body. And I was just afraid I would die, you know, So I had to meditate to stay in my body. And I just went through this inferno for a long time. And periodically after the nine months, it would come back and I would start burning. It was a fascinating experience because it was actually a consciousness, like a conscious fire. It wasn't just a normal type of fire, but if I had to go to the store, it would stop, I would come home and it would just start burning all over again.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Brandon]

It was a really fascinating experience. Wow.

[Podcast Host]

That's the opposite of what I had.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah, you went through a cold.

[Podcast Host]

I had agoraphobia So I couldn't leave the house.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I would get like a panic attack and. Yeah, I used to get, like, shivers and stuff.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow, that is really interesting. I've never heard of that burn thing. Is that a pretty common thing?

[Brandon]

Well, what I've noticed is. Well, I've noticed a lot about the fire since going through it. First off, I've noticed there's no other topic bigger than fire that I can find in. In music and in songs, everybody mentions fire, but. But for me, it was this visceral experience. And I've noted that different teachers and things have talked about going into a fire. There's a guy, I can't remember his name, it's Tom something. He lives in the Pacific Northwest, and he sings these songs that are like Song of the Earth, I think, is one of. And he talks about coming into a fire. A lot of spiritual teachers talk about a fire.

But they're almost talking about it as if they're dipped into fire or the fire was poured onto them and then it leaves. And I think because of my awareness that it was actually a wall that I needed to walk through is the thing that kept it going for so long.

And so, as you've probably seen, there's something called the Oort cloud around the solar system.

[Podcast Host]

Have you actually haven't seen.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, there's a wall of fire around the solar system.

[Podcast Host]

Orc cloud.

[Brandon]

O O R T, I think it's called. Yeah. And. Or maybe it's Oort. Well, that's as people say, as above, so below. Well, we, humanity, us as individuals, are contained. From my experience in a wall of fire. Like, before I went through the wall of fire, I always felt like a certain constriction in my being. And.

One of the things that changed after I went through this wall of fire is that my. My body now breathes. Like, my pores are somehow more open. I'm kind of permeable in a way. My whole body sort of breathes. And I don't feel this feeling of separation that I used to feel. I just don't feel it at all. And so I think this wall of fire is something that sort of keeps us contained as individuals until we're ready to sort of join the. The rest of the universe. In a way, it might be something that keeps our power kind of down until we're ready to control our power. Because one of the things I've noticed after the wall of fire is the consequences for me are tremendous to thinking the wrong thought or certainly making the wrong action, the. The karma is instantaneous. I learned my lessons like quickly. The pain level of. Of making mistakes has definitely grown.

[Podcast Host]

So you become like a master manifester.

[Brandon]

Something like that, I think. You know, everything's, you know, definitely working for me, but there is still this, this higher faculty that, that, that sort of guides me through life, that puts me in situations that I consciously would not want to be in sometimes. And. But I'm always know that I'm there for a reason. So I just do my job and. And move on to greener pastures after I'm done.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Doing whatever those things are.

[Podcast Host]

It is interesting, that conversation of fate versus destiny. Like what percentage would you attribute to each, you know?

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Because we think we have so much free will, but do we actually?

[Brandon]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host]

It's a fascinating topic.

[Brandon]

It really is. And, and who are we really? Like, who is. Who is. Who is the one that. That we. That we really are, you know? So if. So if my free will is to do a certain thing that. That is against my higher self or something, you know, then do I really have free will? Because I thought I wanted to do this thing, but, you know. But then my higher self had a bigger plan, which is what brings kind of destiny into the. Into the mix.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

What do you think the higher self is? Do you think it's a spirit or.

[Brandon]

I think when I sort of see it, I mean, I don't really like to use. Every time I use this analogy, even in my. In myself, I don't really like the analogy because, you know, octopuses and things like that are kind of used for negative images these days. But I do see it something like a greater body with different sort of like that. Different tentacles that reach down and. And so you and I, I think, might share the same higher self.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Brandon]

And that higher self manifest on levels down here on Earth. So. So that. Because I've met certain people that I'm very much more in harmony with and certain people that I'm completely not in harmony with. This has nothing to do with love and a human perspective because I think a lot of us can love people that are completely different than us that wise. But it seems like almost like families.

[Podcast Host]

Or groups are soul families.

[Brandon]

Same sort of soul family.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Which I think would be connected by the higher self.

[Podcast Host]

I've noticed that too. Yeah. Certain people could be soul family. Could be like a astrological thing too. I get along with Law of Aquariuses, okay. Because I'm Aquarius, but I definitely think they're soul families. Too. Yeah, Yeah, I could. It's almost like you feel it.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know, like, I've done some readings or past life, akashic stuff, and I have Syrian lineage.

[Brandon]

Okay. Syrian.

[Podcast Host]

Syria, yeah, yeah, the. The people in Egypt, I believe.

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

Ancient Egypt.

[Brandon]

I thought you were talking about Sirius.

[Podcast Host]

No, no, the constellation. Yeah. I always get it mixed up. There's. There's a few, but, yeah, Yeah, I think there's something there. Have you done stuff like that?

[Brandon]

Well, I've been told things by people, but I never really believe. Well, I never really believe anything unless I experience it. And that's kind of how I was created, you could say, is I was sort of built to have a certain amount of, like, I might think things are cool and nice, but if I don't experience it, I don't really believe it.

[Podcast Host]

You got to see it with your own eyes.

[Brandon]

Exactly. So up until very recently, I didn't even believe in past lives.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

And because what do I know if I don't experience it? I don't know it. But I was doing an experiment one time, and I thought, okay, I pulled out my pendulum because I do divining or dousing, and I was like, let me check the map in my locale of where I live, and let me just see if there's a place that's in harmony with my higher self. And I sure enough, on the map, I found a place. I kind of was like, okay, well, let me take a trip. I'll go out and camp out in the woods and, you know, and so I can leave out in the morning. And I went to this place, and it was really funny because I went and camped out and I sort of got lost that morning. Just lost around the woods and stuff. It was fun. You know how it is.

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[Brandon]

And, and, and then when I got in, in my car to go take the trip, I was, I was checking, I was divining what are, you know, should I go straight or left or right? And I did all of this and, and I, and I found that I had to park here and I went. I had to walk all the way up this dry creek bed and I had to sit in one specific place. And I had no idea what was going to happen, no conception of what was going to happen. So I sit in this one specific spot. And I mean, it wasn't three feet this way, it wasn't one inch this way. It was sit right here. And I sat there and these wonderful little ants started crawling on me. And I just noticed how like, gentle their energy was. And I was like, all right, I'll just let them crawl on me and I'm going to sit here and meditate. And I sat there and meditated and, you know, it was just, just in my, you know, meditative state. And I had this memory, this full memory come to me of being. I, I lived in a civilization which is a lot like what they talk about. Lived in that area of like Southern Arizona and New Mexico is right there at the border of southern. In the Cochise Mountains.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And, and I had this memory of, I, I was like a young prince, you could say. And I know everybody says, well, I was queen, you know, whatever, but in this group that I lived with, all of us were royalty. And there were no slaves. We didn't have any slaves. There was no slave class. We were. All knew that everybody was noble, you know. And.

I was utterly devastated because I could feel that the world was going through another cataclysm. And I say another because that was the feeling that our civilization had had knowledge of previous cataclysms. And I was just devastated to my core because to us, we had the perfect lives where nobody was enslaved, everybody was free, everybody was. Everything was wonderful. But still the earth had to go through another cataclysm because of the evil in the world, that people were enslaving people, people were doing all the worst things, creating people as beast of burdens and all these things that cause cataclysms. And so I was in this Vision and seeing and experiencing all this. And I mean, I just started bawling, crying. And.

So.

I mean, I started bawling, crying in this world. And just a feeling, that emotion. But in the vision state, what I saw is that I was actually taken beneath the earth by these giant ants. And they led me to these caverns under earth and I. My people survived the cataclysm.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Brandon]

And only after that did I even hear about different Mesoamerican people talking about these kind of things, about these giant ants and that they were friends of humanity and things. And actually in Tucson, Arizona, they have. They have a. There's a roof, this random roof of these silver. Giant silver ants, the sculptures. But that's exactly what they were like. They were like big ants.

And so the reason that I had to go and experience this is that there was part of me that was left on the surface of the earth because of the morning. I was so deeply sad that I wasn't able to go beneath the earth and actually be healed. So what I was there in that spot for was to pick up the part of me and integrate it into this life where. And. And heal it. So I've always experienced in my life like a great deal of grief around the human experience.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Brandon]

And. But. But then I went and had that past life experience and it healed all this grief that I've always carried.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Past life trauma, they call it.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Yeah. And now I don't have it anymore.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Now I just really don't carry it anymore. I mean, I'm still concerned about everyone and everything and still wanting to help everyone, but I'm not coming from that. That place of. Of being traumatized about it.

[Podcast Host]

That's incredible. Yeah. The past life trauma stuff is really fascinating. I had to get some cleared and for me it worked. I don't know.

[Brandon]

I was going to ask you, do.

[Podcast Host]

You remember what the one that I had three or four lives cleared, but the one that always stands out to me is when I was a stressed out sailor in a past life and I was taking care of my sister and I was an alcoholic and super stressed, working long hours, and I died of a heart attack. I would get these heart palpitations in my current life, feeling like I was stressed. They would come out of nowhere.

[Brandon]

I see.

[Podcast Host]

And the psychic cleared that memory. And I haven't had a palpitation since.

[Brandon]

I was gonna ask. That's great, man.

[Podcast Host]

Nuts, right?

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I had those for years.

[Brandon]

Yeah, that's definitely.

[Podcast Host]

I got heart scans. I was like, what's going on. They couldn't find anything wonderful on the scans.

[Brandon]

Well, I'm glad. Oh, so they couldn't find anything then. Yeah. And now you don't feel like you need to get heart scans?

[Podcast Host]

Well, I got one. I got a full body MRI a couple years ago. No issues. So. Yeah, some. Some health things that can't be explained with the physical scans. I feel like there's a spiritual element to the body, too.

[Brandon]

Yeah, definitely, you know. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And that's where I think trauma is stored.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And a lot of people have trauma these days.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

It's really interesting. Well, that's cool, dude. Thanks for sharing that story.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Podcast Host]

That's awesome.

[Brandon]

Yeah. So I wouldn't have believed in past lives if it wasn't for that. I. I never disbelieved in them. I just don't have to believe in anything I don't experience.

[Podcast Host]

It's not, you know, that you can't see or.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. One of the, you know, things, too, that we definitely touch on in the institute all the time is opinions. And I heard an interesting thing. You had a. You had someone on your podcast and said, you know, what's. How do you value a cryptocurrency? And you were saying it has to do with its limited supply. Supply.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And opinions are one of those things that. It's wild in this world of social media and everybody's opinion gets a voice. But it's like, why? I mean, I alone can generate a rather infinite amount of opinions. And then there's so many of us like that we do. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, our opinions should be the least important things in the whole universe. There should be nothing because there. It's an endless supply.

[Podcast Host]

That's an interesting take.

[Brandon]

Why would my opinion matter?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that's a very interesting take. A lot of people place importance on certain people's opinions.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And now if they have experience in a field, you know, then sure. Great.

[Podcast Host]

Holds more weight.

[Brandon]

Yeah, but it's. But that's not necessarily going to be your opinion, then. You're conveying information based on your research or your experience, you know, your studies. That's different than an opinion.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's more like an educated opinion, I guess. Yeah, yeah. There's definitely levels to it.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. A lot of people get emotional with certain people's opinions. It's interesting to see that. I don't really care at all, but.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I feel like at this level in social media, you. You gotta be a Little numb. Because if you just really take to heart what people are saying and commenting about you, you're gonna be affected.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Podcast Host]

You need a little shield these days.

I wanted to talk about Wiley Brooks.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So that was your first. Would you call him a mentor?

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, he was my first. I mean, I. I did a lot of studying and things before I met Wiley as an adult, so I would say that I had at least one other mentor, even though I might have never met them. But, yeah, Wiley was my. My only real teacher.

[Podcast Host]

Got it. Yeah. You saw him for the first time on TV at 4 years old.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And then eventually, when you were an adult, you got to meet him and work with him, right?

[Brandon]

Yep. I found him. I found him on his website, breatharium.com, which I now run. And. And, yeah, when I. When I saw his picture, I mean, it was like a family reunion. So I called him and he couldn't believe that. He was like, wait, you were four? And you remember? I'm like, yeah, you know, that's pretty rare. Yeah, Well, I have lots of memories from, you know, way before then.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

You know, too. And stuff.

[Podcast Host]

So did you unlock them later in life or you.

[Brandon]

That's a great question. So one of the. In the beginning of my life, I. I saw that certain things were happening there where I was separating from my original self. And through trauma, there's. There was this. This thing that happened. It's a whole nother story with this kind of, like, demon kind of thing.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

That sort of engrafted itself to my consciousness as a baby.

[Podcast Host]

Huh.

[Brandon]

What's that?

[Podcast Host]

A demon did that as a baby?

[Brandon]

Well, yeah, I was. I was about. I was two and some change, like, before I was three.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

And. But. But I recognized then that its consciousness was completely foreign consciousness. I never wanted anything bad for anybody or anything. I mean, I had a very peaceful consciousness and this entity, or it's what they call Wetico in these books. Wetico or Watiko. And. But its consciousness was very aggressive and hateful and warlike. It was warlike. It was. And it was completely foreign from my consciousness, but I wrestled and wrestled with it, and I could not get it off of me, and I couldn't get it out of me, which now I know has to do with the food that I was being fed and things like that. What causes these things to be. To magnetize to our body, really.

[Podcast Host]

So food can attract demons?

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah. Holy crap. Because it's. Because it's the, like, energies, you know, And I'm not against Demons. We can get into that if you want, but I'm completely not against. I'm very much, you would say, an advocate for. For. I don't like demonizing demons and. And these kind of things. I like it all to make sense, you know.

[Podcast Host]

That's an interesting take. Yeah. Let's get into that later.

[Brandon]

Sure, sure. So, yeah, so what I did started to do as a very young child was bury my memories inside of myself to uncover them later, like you were asking, you know, and. But I was very conscious about burying these memories because I knew I wasn't going to win the battle against this mind parasite.

[Podcast Host]

Because you were too young.

[Brandon]

I was too young. I didn't have adult power. I couldn't choose when to go to the bathroom, practically. I couldn't choose when to go to the grocery store. But I always noticed that the adults in my life had, like, the superpower of choice. So I buried these memories so that I could uncover them later so that I could actually do something about these problems that I was having with. With, you know, having this foreign consciousness invading mine.

[Podcast Host]

So that is interesting.

[Brandon]

Yeah. So, yeah, I did then, you know, recover these memories and things. But I. I always think, you know, there was a lot of abuse in my family, and my mom took me away from the people in my family, so I didn't have to suffer the things that she suffered from. So I think that helped me kind of like live my own little life, you know, and not be bothered so much by external circumstances. And I think that helps with remembering who remembering your memories is. I was just kind of kept from that kind of thing as a child. My mom just let me do my own thing. And, you know, I think trauma, in a way will make it to where memories are buried.

[Podcast Host]

100.

[Brandon]

And I was kept from a lot of that stuff, you know, thank. Thank goodness.

[Podcast Host]

You know, I couldn't believe how many memories I buried because I think when you're living in the moment, you kind of just feel like it's normal. And then you talk to some people later on in their life, you're like, dude, what the hell? That's not normal at all, you know.

[Brandon]

You mean to not remember so much?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was, like, months of my childhood I didn't remember because I just blocked out.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know?

[Brandon]

Yeah. Well, I have a dear friend of mine said that. That she didn't remember anything, I think, before 11. Holy. What?

[Podcast Host]

That's like, elementary. Those are like your. Those are supposed to be your prime years.

[Brandon]

You're like six. You mean you're in sixth grade. You don't remember anything before sixth grade?

[Podcast Host]

Those were my favorite years.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Elementary school.

[Brandon]

A couple of memories she had, but I mean, you know, I'd basically forgotten about it. But, you know, she's. She's gone through healing processes, uncovered a lot more since.

[Podcast Host]

That's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember it much before pre K, so that's. That's impressive that you can recall that.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

There's a lot of links between people that can have early memories at those ages and intelligence.

[Brandon]

Oh, okay. I see.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's cool.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well done.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You said earlier you're not against. You said not against demons.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah. No.

[Podcast Host]

What do you mean by that?

[Brandon]

Well, I think they're doing their job, you know, and this is a world that I've been in. I went on a vision quest when I was 19. So in. And what was that? 97.

[Podcast Host]

And that's when I was born.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Or 90s. 96 or 97. I went on a vision quest and I really never turned back from there. You know, I, I never, I never closed the door on that. That I'd opened in the vision quest. So I've had to understand these, these things with. What are, what are the demons? What are they doing? How do they find me? When I'm in certain states, you know, of. Of, of like that I really get to these states and, And I'm very high. And how do these demons even find me? Or vampires?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Because they're low. They're low vibrational entities. Right?

[Brandon]

Yeah. I mean, yeah. But. So. So what I found.

Is that. That they're. They're simply doing their job. That, that if we don't do certain things, as their job is to drag us to hell and put us through pain so that we can figure it out.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Brandon]

And that they are. They. Very much so. I'll. I'll try and keep this story short, but this is something that happened in maybe 2013. I. I came home from work. I was working at a restaurant, and I went into my meditation because I would just work in the morning at a diner and then work in the evening at a. At a restaurant. And then I'd come home and just sleep and, And. But I'd always, you know, just come home, shower, get to meditating and meditate myself to sleep. And I saw this, like, vampire appear, like in my. In my vision. And I would. And I did what I always do, what we always do in the spiritual world, which is like, I kind of burned it with Fire. And then I thought. And it just occurred to me, like, what. Why, why are you here? What are you doing? And I started to feel it pulling on something in me. And I just said to this vampire, you know, sort of telepathically said, if there's something in me that belongs to you, take it, because what do I care? Because if something belongs to me, then it can't be taken from me because it's mine. So I said that to this vampire and it changed everything in my life because it fulfilled this vampire.

And I did this on a few other experiments after that. It actually fulfills them. If you run into a vampire, give it whatever it's attracted to in you because it's going to be attracted to lower level stuff. It can't be attracted to who you really are, to your light. Wow. Yeah. And I felt it pull this toxin out of me and then it turned into some kind of like a. Like a being of light and just shot up. And I. Holy. You know, never seen him since.

[Podcast Host]

What an interesting take. Because most people would see a vampire and run away.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I. I've. I would. I was always just kind of like a bit more brutal with them, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And, you know, would just sort of burn them with spirit. Yeah, that's pretty well breathe fire onto them and things. But, you know, that. That experience really changed things. So that happened. And then like one minute later, this other entity comes kind of to the door in my consciousness and I. And I said, didn't I tell you to get. To get out of here? Because I told it. I told the vampire, take whatever belongs to me to you and go. Whatever belongs to you. Just take it and leave. Go wherever the hell you go, you know, and because it's not my business where they go, I'm not going to send them back to Source. I'm not going to send them anywhere. It's your business. You go wherever you need to go. And so I saw this other entity and I said, didn't I tell you to leave? And I could tell it was a different entity. And this entity came a little closer. I was like, oh, this is not that vampire. And I was like, I go, you know, what do you want? And it said, I just went through, like a nasty divorce. I was completely heartbroken. Not because of the wife, but because of her children. You know, I knew that, you know, that was devastating. Leaving her was like, no problem. And. But this. This entity said, you know, I'm going to drag her to hell. Right. And I Go. She's not under my protection anymore. You do whatever you've got to do.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

And this. And it said, you know, out of the three of us, this demon was saying, out of the three of us, me, the demon and my ex wife, out of the three of us, only one of us doesn't acknowledge the creator. And I thought, whoa. This demon was telling me that it acknowledges the creator. And I just said, well, do what you got to do.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Brandon]

And. And it went to leave because it was telling me something, you know, it was giving me some information, you know, about the demonic world. And it, and it said, it said, you know, what it was going to do. And I said, all right, is that everything? Okay, now leave, because I don't sit here and have conversations with demons. I remember though, that I, I did share a laugh with, with a demon.

[Podcast Host]

They can laugh.

[Brandon]

I don't. What's that?

[Podcast Host]

Demons can laugh?

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they can laugh. They're. They're not bad people. Believe it or not, demons are not.

[Podcast Host]

Are they human souls that have, have deceased in the physical body?

[Brandon]

I really don't know.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Brandon]

I don't know. But this one went to leave and I said, wait a minute, who are you?

As it was leaving.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And because I told it to leave, but then I just wanted to know its name. And it said, I am Legion.

[Podcast Host]

Legion.

[Brandon]

So Legion is the only demon mentioned in the Bible by name.

[Podcast Host]

No way.

[Brandon]

Yeah. So I met Legion.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

And I can say he wasn't a bad guy, you know, I mean, I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't, you know, go have drinks with him, but, you know, but it's, it's kind of similar with Satan. Like, I, I've met Satan on a number of occasions, but I had offers to sell my soul for riches in the art world. So I crafted my art to such a degree that I was approached by the upper echelon of the art world and had three offers to sell my soul, which of course, I didn't do.

[Podcast Host]

When you say sell your soul, what does that look like in the art world?

[Brandon]

Well, in the art world, what it looked like for me is that I was invited to this party.

And I got a phone call before I went to the party by someone who's in the echelon of the art world. And, and he said, you know, you're going to be offered this offer tonight. Just accept it. You know, it might, you know, it just, it might not be what you would normally do, but just accept it. And I was like, okay, you Know, and not like, okay, I'll do it, but like, okay, I hear you. And I went to the party and it was. And it was. The first offer was to have sex with a gay dude. And. Yeah. And I mean, I'm not gay, but if I was, I wouldn't care. You know, like, my mom asked me one time, you know, are you. Do you think you're gay? I'm like, you would know it if I was gay. I would be like a. A flaming homosexual. Because I don't care what any of you people think.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You know, but I just know I'm not gay. And. Yeah. I just don't like messing with crazy women. And for years in my life, that's all I came in contact with. I didn't, you know, so I just stayed celibate. And she thought, well, maybe he's gay. And it's like, no. So. So that was my first offer. The second offer was to have sex with a transvestite. Very similar situation. That happened a couple of nights later. You know, go to the party. I know you turned down the offer, but just go to this party. There's going to be another offer to be made. I turned down the second offer, and it was literally just like, you know, just let me, you know, give you oral or whatever, and I didn't do it. And then the third offer was I. From the. From the guy in the echelon of the community. He said, well, you just tell us that we can kill your best friend.

[Podcast Host]

Holy.

[Brandon]

And you don't have to do it. You don't have to do anything. You just give us the okay, and money will never be a problem in your life. Wow. And I turned it down. So. And, you know, I was a very much a pioneer in my art, and I've still seen, not. Not seen anybody replicate what I did.

[Podcast Host]

We'll throw up some images of your artwork I didn't know you were doing.

[Brandon]

Yeah. I don't even know if I have any more. Any online or.

[Podcast Host]

You kind of hit it from the.

[Brandon]

Yeah, I mean, I was. I was sort of. I didn't really hide it. I just walked away from all of my old social media and forgot all my passwords to my old Facebook and stuff like that.

[Podcast Host]

And. Yeah, because when I research you, then all that came up.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

I just moved on to another life, you know, so after. After all that happened, Satan visited me one time and he. And he. He said, you know, like, I was like. And I could tell who it was, you know, immediately.

[Podcast Host]

What form did he Appear.

[Brandon]

It was kind of like a guy with, I would say, like, no face because he had, like, kind of a. Like a. Almost like a. Like a fedora type of a hat. Seemed like a white dude. And. And. But his hat was down and his face was a shadow.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so he had a human vessel or.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, it was. But it. But like an empty face. Interesting. Like, I couldn't see his face. It was just like emptiness.

[Podcast Host]

It came to your house or.

[Brandon]

It just. Just came to my. You would say my imagination. He came to my consciousness, you know, because I spend a lot of time meditating, and I'm very, very Always have been very concerned about who I'm talking to. When, you know, if anything visits me, I automatically am asking them, you know, who are you? Who do you serve? Because I understand the way that the spiritual world works.

[Podcast Host]

They have to answer that question.

[Brandon]

They have to answer that, oh, wow.

[Podcast Host]

That'S good to know.

[Brandon]

And so I know. And I don't even care about the who are you? I care about the who do you serve?

[Podcast Host]

So they legally are. Not legally, but I guess. Well, who do you have to answer? I'm gonna start asking that.

[Brandon]

Yeah, they. They have to answer. And, you know, anything that says if it serves me, I'm like, well, get out. Get out of here. You know, like, I don't need anybody around me who serves me or anything, because I serve my creator and. Which could be my higher self. I'm not exactly certain, but I know that. That there is a creator that designed these bodies and built this world and, you know, sort of on the substrate of reality.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And so, you know, anybody who doesn't serve the creator, I don't talk to in the spirit world. And so anyway, Satan visited me, and I'm like. And I was heartbroken from the art thing because I'd invested everything into it, and I thought my art was going to change the world and that through beauty and the sort of secret sciences that I put into the beauty, which is color, magic and. And, you know, zero point energy and all these kind of things that I put that I impregnated into the art. I thought I was going to change the world. And so I was, like, heartbroken, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And so Satan visited me and said. And I was like, you know, what do you want? And he goes, you know, I just want to let you know I respect you.

And he left.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

And after that, if Satan ever visits me, it's to tell me, hey, don't mess with him. He's with me.

[Podcast Host]

No way.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So he just respects you so much.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And he. And he always lets me know, don't, don't. This person's with me. And I can be like, like, with you. With you. And he's like, he's with me.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. I'm glad I wasn't one of them.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't have come on the podcast.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

If. If I would have gotten that, that. That energy would have come to me and said, hey, this is, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Having sold my soul, guys. Yeah.

[Brandon]

I would have said, you know, can't call me off. I don't want to go there.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And so. Yeah, that's. So that's my relationship with the sort of demonic world. I think they're doing their job. They're dragging people to hell who need to go to hell.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Because they. That's where they belong. And, you know, and. And they acknowledge the creator. Every demonic presence that I've ever seen acknowledges the creator.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Brandon]

It's only people who are sort of dim in that way who don't.

[Podcast Host]

And you're.

[Brandon]

Yeah. So, you know, I don't think that they are our enemies at all. Maybe they're what I would call the children of Satan, could be my enemy, but I know that their master is working against them, not against me. Satan's children are, in a way, the poorest people in the world because despite their riches, because their own master is working against them in the background.

[Podcast Host]

No loyalty.

[Brandon]

No, none. And because they don't deserve it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

They don't deserve loyalty from Satan.

[Podcast Host]

That is very interesting. You definitely shifted my perspective a little bit on it. I wonder if Satan is. Is like. So he believes in the Creator, then.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And. And he's absolutely doing his job perfectly.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

Children together.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Brandon]

I. Yeah. God is perfectly cool with it.

[Podcast Host]

When you say drag to hell, is that in the afterlife or in the current life?

[Brandon]

Well, for me, I would experience it in the current life. What people experience, you know, people can be very numb. So what people are experiencing, I can't really say.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Brandon]

I mean, if it was happening to me, I would know it.

[Podcast Host]

If you were in hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brandon]

Because sometimes I've even kind of gone to hell, you know, after the wall of fire and more so through relationships with people and. And getting mixed up in other people's pain.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Brandon]

And. And. And I've just had to tell him, hey, look, I can see you're in hell, but I'm not going there. As much as I love you, I'm not going There with you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, I'll keep, you know, throwing a line in the water, but you've got to grab on and pull yourself out of this.

[Podcast Host]

That's what I realized, because I used to try to help everyone, but there's only so much energy, you can see, spend.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

On that. It really comes down to the person, I think.

[Brandon]

Yeah, I do, too.

[Podcast Host]

Because you could give the same advice to 10 different people. They're all going to take it differently.

[Brandon]

It's desire, you know, it's if they want out of the pain and how much, like, what are you willing to give up in your belief system or whatever to get out of pain?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And, you know, so at times, I mean, even with people that are still close to me and dear to me, I'm like, hey, you're at hell. You've got to, you've got to get a hold of this.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Because I can't do it for you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And I'm definitely not joining you there. So.

[Podcast Host]

I think I've gotten offers to sell my soul, too, to be honest.

[Brandon]

Gone up. Gone what?

[Podcast Host]

Gotten offers?

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I've had some weird offers.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know, I think with the level of views we're getting, just some interesting people approaching me to do certain things.

[Brandon]

Certain things you wouldn't want to do.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

Yes. Like, not either. Like talk about certain topics or not talk about certain topics. Stuff like that.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Been approached a few times for that.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Feels weird to me.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Well, I'm glad you stuck with your, with your guns that way because at the end of the day, that's. That's what you have. And I don't, I don't think that it was about having sex with certain people. It wasn't about that. It was about, are you going to compromise yourself?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You know, are you going to be someone you're not so that you can get through this door?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You know, well, they say through sex that there's a cord. I don't know if you believe that, but.

[Brandon]

Oh, definitely you believe in that.

[Podcast Host]

The sexual cord.

[Brandon]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

All your previous partners.

[Brandon]

Yeah. I still feel, you know, I still feel all of my partners, really, you know, from the past. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

Yeah. That's crazy. But I mean, I don't, I don't, you know, I'm not held down by those cords.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And, and, and that is true, that there are cords. There are demons attached to all of those things.

[Podcast Host]

You can feel the trauma, too, and their emotions. Right.

[Brandon]

Yeah. You, you, you interviewed a girl who, who.

What's her name.

[Podcast Host]

Was it Janelle Gordon?

[Brandon]

No, she was the one who was beefing with Bad Baby.

[Podcast Host]

Bad Baby?

[Brandon]

Yeah, she was. She's from Atlanta. She was very Christian. Oh, what's her name?

[Podcast Host]

Was she a pastor or.

[Brandon]

No, no, she wasn't a pastor.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa. Vicki.

[Brandon]

Wo. Vicki.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Wo.

[Brandon]

Vicky.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. You went back in my archives.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, I went back.

[Podcast Host]

That's an old entertaining, you know.

[Brandon]

It's very entertaining. Yeah. So. Whoa. Vicky said that a preacher told her that. That you can't sell your soul because it doesn't belong to Satan. Well, in a way that's true. It doesn't belong to Satan and you can't sell something that doesn't belong to you. But there's. There's a definite process that happens. It is real.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You know, and you would have to go through numerous different repairs, you know, after it. So I get where she was coming from. That. That or that the pastor was coming from that it's that it. That it can't be done, that Satan doesn't own your soul. That is true. But there's certainly damage that can be done through compromising yourself. There is a real damage.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Wo. Vicki is an interesting one. That was a very tough interview for me. I. People always ask me what the hardest one is. She would. She's my hardest interview.

[Brandon]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Was it because of. Of sort of her adherence to. To doctrine?

[Podcast Host]

So she just transitioned from only fans girl to Christian.

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

The week of. The week before that interview.

[Brandon]

Oh.

[Podcast Host]

And I wasn't. I wasn't aware about it.

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

So all my questions were about. So I had to basically improvise the whole interview. Oh, yeah, yeah. All my notes I had toss out.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I was freestyling the whole time.

[Brandon]

I gotcha.

[Podcast Host]

Yes. That was a challenging one.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And I don't know much about her religion too, so I was just doing my best.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Now I see what you looking back at the interview now that I'm recalling. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense.

[Podcast Host]

I tried to hide it well, but.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting one. A lot of celebrities have loved ones around them die mysteriously. You mentioned that you got offered to have your best friend killed. It.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Kind of lined up with what I've heard too, about that stuff.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Family members or loved ones. I wonder what the. The reasoning for that sacrifice is.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think blood sacrifice goes on back, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And the mythology behind, you know, children killing their parents.

That kind of stuff. I mean, I. I do think that a lot of this is based in old sex Magic and old witchcraft. Babylonian, for lack of a better term. Yeah, you know, Babylonian. Schools of. Of magic and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

There's all sorts of stuff. Evil eye, dark magic.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You ever have any encounters with any of that?

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, I had a. I had a shaman one time call me to ask me for help.

[Podcast Host]

Really? And that's how, you know, it's a. It's a bad issue.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Ex. Well, when I was on the phone with him, actually.

When I was on the phone with him, I had this, like, goiter thing that started expanding as soon as he was telling me about the problem that he was having that he wanted me to help fix, and it started expanding. And before I was off the phone with him, like, I could barely move my elbow, and I had maybe the size of a golf ball thing that was in my elbow.

[Podcast Host]

That's what I've realized. Certain words give these entities power. Like, even when I bring up. I've had some reptilian experiences, even when I bring that up feels weird, you know? Feels like I'm giving them power.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And, I mean, I never did anything against the guy because that's not what I do. I'm not here to be against anything. I'm here to help what I would consider to be my people, which is what I call the human family, to reach where we want to reach. But I'm not interested in. If people aren't human because they're not choosing to be human, then I. Then I'm not against them either, you know, Very much not. So. So I. I didn't do anything against him or anything. I did what I needed to do to remove the energy, and my. My elbow went down and stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Nice.

[Brandon]

But I'm. I'm. I'm very much. You know, because I actually, during COVID I went into the woods and I fasted and prayed so that I could hear from God what the hell is going on, you know, because I was aware of these shots and these kind of things and found where all of this is going in the future. And I was like, whoa, I've got to go talk to God, which for me is the president of this world. God say, yeah, like, the Creator is the creator. It's in everything. God to me, is a title of the being who's sort of in charge of this world for this time.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You know, so as above, so below. So that's the way it's run on Earth is there's a president, you know, so it's. So to me, God is like a president. He's in charge of what's going on here. And I went and I fasted and I prayed and I had a vision and I saw God put the God of the Reptilians in front of me, and he put the God of the Grays in front of me. And I was just trembling with fear. Not because I'm afraid of them, but because genetically what they've done to us in the past, like, strikes a certain fear into us. It was a trauma response. And I was just told very clearly, like, don't, don't, don't tremble before any of these people. And that, that I was very much told directly that the God of the Reptilians and the God of the Grays have gotten in line and they are no longer working against humanity.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

They were, but they were getting ready to be locked into some kind of like. Do you remember the, the first Superman?

[Podcast Host]

Was that like, it was, was that, was that a movie or a show?

[Brandon]

Yeah, the first, the first Superman. Yeah, the first.

[Podcast Host]

I was young, I think.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Yeah. It was Christopher Reeves and the opening scene was General Zod and his two cronies were put into this film like a piece of paper. It was almost like you could say they were locked into the first dimension, into this first dimensional prison. And that's what I was shown, is that, that they, these, these beings, the Reptilians and the Grays, were about to get really locked away.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

Into a prison. And so they've struck a deal with God to absolutely work for the greater good.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Brandon]

So now I, I, that's why I say the poorest people are Satan's children, because they're, they're all being put into the trick bag. It's kind of like Santa's bag.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

That's like Satan's bag. And he's got all of his children in it. And they're all being sold up the river spiritually.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Brandon]

But they don't even know it. They think they're serving this powerful being that's God of the world, but false God. Yeah. And, but that's the thing is Satan knows it, and these, these, they all know it.

[Podcast Host]

A lot of false gods these days, I think.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Modern religion is a scary place to. Yeah, it's what, 4 billion people in it?

[Brandon]

It's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

It's nuts.

[Brandon]

And even, you know, these followers of Christ and things, I mean, when you, when you really look at it, it's like, well, have you guys ever heard of the false Christ? Because when I'm looking around here, that's a lot of what I see.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, well, they've turned into a business. Yeah. You know, it's gotten lost from its true meaning, I think.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Do you think God is. Is all knowing, all seeing? Like he sees everything, or do you think you could do stuff and he doesn't know about it?

[Brandon]

No, no, you can't. You can't do anything without everything in the universe knowing about it. I mean, there's just. There's just no hiding.

[Podcast Host]

So that would prove karma then, too.

[Brandon]

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah, I. I guess. I mean, I know that people talk about the records and things like that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Akashic.

[Brandon]

The akashic records and the karmic records, I guess. Or maybe they're just saying akashic records. But yeah, everything's. I mean, everything's recorded. I mean, they've. They've proven that water never forgets anything.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Those studies are crazy.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Can hold memories, and we're made of water, so. Yeah. Nothing we do is. Is. Is hidden. And, you know, there's freedom in that. You know, there's freedom when you know that. That you can't hide. There's. There's. There's a lot. It's like, okay, well, now what do I do? So how do I align with my purpose? How do I. How do I create the world that I want to live in? Like, if I'm. If I have the Creator inside of me, then that means that.

That. So, okay, so I'm a God. And. But then all the Christians. I've never been attacked more than by Christians. But I love, you know, the Christ. I mean, I love the. I'm married to my creator. Literally married to my creator. And. But. But nobody attacks me more than that. But. And it's. But it's like the. The God thing. I mean, if we're gods, well, then how do I create the kind of world that I want to live in, which is a world that's free of needless suffering? That's what I want to create. I know that there's needed suffering everywhere. A lot of people need to suffer to learn what they should be doing. So I'm not against suffering.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

But all of this needless suffering is what I'm. My mission is to help end.

[Podcast Host]

When you say needless is that. I guess people born into a certain environment. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Born into a certain environment. Like, even.

Even. Even me. Like, having to suffer because I wouldn't deny my creator, because I wouldn't sell my soul.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And then I Had to suffer tremendously from that, financially, etc.

[Podcast Host]

But it made you stronger. So I guess I can argue that, right?

[Brandon]

Yeah. Yeah, it did make me stronger, but it's not because of them. Like, they didn't do me any favors. The people, you know, didn't. Didn't do me any favors. That's just the nature of things. And it's like, okay, but all of this needless suffering, you know, is. Is. Is. I just don't think there's a purpose to all of it beyond a certain point. Like, I think, okay, so there has been a purpose to it. Fine. But now humanity has reached a point where we're ready for something bigger, something better. We've. Okay, we. We. A lot of us feel this way. Like, I think that the whole human family feels a certain way because we all have a certain dream in our hearts, and we all have. In my opinion, our family has the same dream, and that's what we're here accomplishing right now, is the fulfillment of that dream for our family. I think one of the ways that keeps everything muddled up is humans believing that everybody's a human. I have seen zero evidence of that in my life. And, I mean, all kinds of people have told me we're all the same. We're all essentially. I've never once seen it. You know, I've never. I've. What I have seen is people doing brutal things that I could never imagine doing that I would literally just rather die than do.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And I. What I've seen, what I've witnessed through my experience, is that we're not all the same. It doesn't mean that. That people who aren't the same as human are. Need to be stopped. I don't want to stop them. They're creators too. They should get to taste their creation too. But I should get to taste my creation. That's fair. It's fair that if we're all creators, well, let's say we're all bakers, you should be able to bake your cake and eat it, and I should be able to bake my cake and eat it. But I shouldn't have to eat your cake, especially if you put salt in where the sugar should be. I definitely shouldn't have to eat your salty cake. I should get to eat my sweet cake because that's what I'm creating. So I think that's what I mean by the needless suffering, that we should all get to create what we want to create and. And see how that works out for us. And so people who want slavery, people who want destruction, people. Even if I. Even if people want it for me, well, then they should get to taste that, not me, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Because I should get what I'm creating. I'm a creator too. And by the way, that's. I tread very lightly with the we are all gods thing because from what I've experienced, like, really experienced, that awareness is almost what. Almost what I would call terrifying. That, that. That. That real feeling of one wrong thought can. Can destroy my entire world, my entire universe. One thought going in the wrong direction can destroy everything. That's crazy. It's not like, oh, we're all powerful. It's like, well, you know, that's a heck of a responsibility.

[Podcast Host]

Where do you think thoughts come from?

[Brandon]

Well, I never really thought about that.

[Podcast Host]

It's like a paradox.

[Brandon]

Yeah. I've never.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, well, there's interesting theories on it, but, like, apparently, like, a lot of our thoughts are from the subconscious, and we are only consciously thinking, like, and they say anywhere from 5 to 20% of our thoughts. So that means the majority of our thoughts are coming from the subconscious. Isn't that interesting?

[Brandon]

That is interesting. So it's like, where is subconscious?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Where is it that getting information from?

[Brandon]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host]

That's a real question.

[Brandon]

Well, I think that's why in part, that I'm so careful with. With my thoughts and with what I become aligned with, you know, because I think that everybody's being inspired at times, and I want to make sure that I'm inspired by the things that are. For what I'm for, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Living in your authentic self.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Living as a higher self in this body, you know, living, being one with my creator, you know, all these things that, you know, ending needless suffering, you know, helping the human family and helping everybody along the way. But specifically my concern is, of course, my family, which is the human family. And, you know, I. I always want to make sure that I don't align with anything that's going to be inspiring me toward anything that would destroy what I've been creating.

[Podcast Host]

It's important, right, the information we consume.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah, totally.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I'm so sensitive now that even certain songs will just trigger me.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like, if it's like that, like negative lyrics or something.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I'll be in an Uber. I'm like, damn, I can't even listen to this right now.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Because I've gotten to the point where I'm like, really intentional about the information I'm consuming.

[Brandon]

Good for you, man.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I've Noticed it directly impacts my mood, you know, the frequency of the music or whatever I'm playing.

[Brandon]

Yep, yeah, the whole world. I think that's part of what happened when we move from analog to digital music. You know, I'm really a fan of everybody having, you know, records and things like this.

[Podcast Host]

It's different.

[Brandon]

It does. And the music in the, in the 70s and things, when you think about it, like everybody was coming together basically under disco.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Brandon]

And house music and things like this. And then they moved the digital era. And I think that really did switch the game up 100% because we're analog, you know, And I think that there were, there's. Now that everything's digital, they're able to overlay frequencies and things like that. But I also think that, that this is my opinion. Right. But through experience that God really does the creator. Those, those energies of the original creator are in all kinds of mysterious places, all kinds of mysterious foods, all kinds of mysterious music, you know, and that it, it doesn't really distinguish what we would consider to be, you know, good music or even that, that, that certain items and certain, certain songs, certain movies, certain tables, you know, certain microphones are impregnated with that energy of the creative sour not, you know, so it's like I can use certain technologies and then certain technologies I can't use. It doesn't matter how much I love them. It doesn't, it's irrelevant.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

So I like to check all kinds of things like that, especially foods, to make sure I'm eating things that are creating a body that can be in harmony with my higher faculties, with my higher self, with my sacred heart, you know, these kind of things. Yeah, that, that then I'm creating a vehicle that allows my true self to be on earth.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Let's end off with foods and fasting because a lot of people associate Breatharianism with, With the form of fasting.

[Brandon]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

So what's your process when it comes to fasting?

[Brandon]

Yeah, Well, I love fasting, first off, but what I've. What I've found is that it's very difficult to fast around eaters. Like when I go out into the woods, I. I go through, you know, a little process of maybe an hour or two, once it's meal time of, of hunger. But then I just start feeling more and more.

Full without eating. And it's like after day two, day three of not eating, I mean, I just feel fantastic. But as soon as I join the world of eaters again, I need to eat. And otherwise I feel everyone's pain and I mean it makes me super sensitive.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Brandon]

And I don't want to feel everybody's stuff. So I'll eat. I think fasting is very healthy, but I think that, you know, we need to know why we fast and put ourselves in environments that are conducive to fasting. You know, where we take social media breaks, just breaks from the world.

[Podcast Host]

That's a dopamine detox, right? Oh yeah, that's what they call that.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, I've heard of that only recently, but yeah, just, just, you know, know that the bodies need to eat it. It might have to do with just keeping you alive, keeping you in harmony. So I, I, I think we should just try and as much, as much as we can get away from things when we fast so it can be a pleasant experience.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You know, it is tough when you're around food and you're trying to fast.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. But when you're around eaters also their body is telling, you're giving, exchanging information with your body.

[Podcast Host]

No way.

[Brandon]

Oh yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So they're telling you to eat.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. And your body's saying, hey, wait a sec, like I need to eat. I'm around eaters because everything always seeks harmony.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. You know, that's good to know because now when I'm, because I do a three day fast twice a year.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Now I'm going to tell the people around me to kind of join in, honestly, if they can absolutely make it easier.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it'll make it so much easier, you know, so, but yeah, that's, that's my take. And, and I, I also think that when we eat we should in, in some kind of way work to eat things that are going to stimulate our true self to be able to be in the body.

[Podcast Host]

Are you vegetarian?

[Brandon]

I'm not.

[Podcast Host]

You're not?

[Brandon]

No.

[Podcast Host]

So you eat meat?

[Brandon]

I, I do sometimes but I check it, I check the energy of it. I make sure, you know, it comes from clean sources and these kind of things.

Sometimes I need those kind of things. And I'm not for the abuse of the animals and that kind of thing, but to me, even if I didn't ever eat another animal for the rest of my life, I still have a certain responsibility on earth. So I'm already, you know, I farm and you know, and I'm looking to, as, as I build relationships and things, I'm already looking to create solutions to these problems of abused animals and abused land and all these kind of things because that's what I'm, I'M I'm, I'm responsible.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

For it.

[Podcast Host]

I can feel because I'm more sensitive these days when I eat like some cheap quality meat or like a slaughterhouse meat. I could feel it.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know?

[Brandon]

Yeah. So you get clean meat from somewhere in town.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It's got to be like pasture raised, local butcher, somewhere like ethically sourced. Like, I don't mind paying extra for that.

[Brandon]

Exactly. Me neither.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

It's really worth it.

[Podcast Host]

It's worth it. I'm telling you, man, because I used to eat the bacon and all that stuff and it was just the mass produced meat.

[Brandon]

Yeah, well, that's, that's part of what I was saying about the food is that they, these, these chemicals that are in the meats and things, they have what I call chemical fear and chemical pain in them. So then I eat the chemicals. Now all of a sudden I feel fear. It doesn't mean that I feel afraid, but there's this energy of fear that I'm like, huh, that's interesting. Right. That's really different. I'm, you know, watching how my body's vibrating these energies of fear, but I'm not afraid, but I just ate fear, you know, so that's part of the, Another reason to be super careful of that kind of thing.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Because we don't want to be eating things that are foreign to our current state. So if you're at peace, you definitely don't want to be eating fear.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You know, that's why I understand the link with the spiritual community and like the veganism stuff too, because I know a lot of them are.

[Brandon]

Oh yeah, yeah, they are. And that's a good thing. But I don't think it's an end. All and again, I think the creator imprints a lot of different things with its energy that's here to assist us along the way.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And that includes animals and you know, and as far as the plant studies and goes, we all know what, plants have feelings too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they're pretty smart, actually. They're really starting to look into this. They talk to each other, especially mushrooms.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

The Mycelium network is really fascinating. They're connecting underground.

[Brandon]

Oh yeah, yeah, they're fascinating. So it's like, you know, to me as a, as a farmer, you know, I'm, I'm very interested in not only us growing our own foods, but growing food for the food and taking care of and communicating with these plants to ask them what they need and really giving things what they need.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. No pesticides.

[Brandon]

No, no, no pesticides. And you know, also, you know, fungal dominant compost and those kind of things to really nurture what's going to nurture us.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You know, up to the point of harvest, you know, and, and I think some things are just probably will not need to get harvested. You know, some things I'll just grow for. For the sake of. Of growing it to nurture everything that is going to get eaten.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Brandon]

You know, like the bees, you know, and things. It's like, well, yeah, I'll farm bees, but I'm not going to take their honey.

[Podcast Host]

You're not?

[Brandon]

No. I mean, no, I, I really don't think so.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

I mean, I might take some honey if I, if I, you know, overfeed them. But, but no, I, I would, I would grow bees because I love bees.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting. You know, a lot of people fear bees.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we can maybe if you invite me on again, I can tell you a few b stories.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

From. From my.

[Podcast Host]

You must have been stung a lot.

[Brandon]

Yeah, well, when I, When I broke my sternum and started going through the wall of fire, you know, I broke my sternum and I didn't go to the hospital because I knew that it was an initiation.

[Podcast Host]

Why? What do you mean by that?

[Brandon]

Like, well, so way. Or this happened in 2011. At the end of 2011, I broke my sternum. But I started. I realized that I had a spiritual problem in my body way earlier when I was. It was in like 2002. I had basically a perfect body. I'd been living on farms. I was super farm strong, but also very supple and things. And I took martial arts very. I just had the perfect body. But I felt that there was a problem because every time I would meditate it was like my chest cavity could not. I felt like there was a problem in my heart area where I couldn't. Where it was like I was in a room that was too small and I would press against the walls. So I'd do all these deep breathing exercises to try and expand my chest and I just couldn't do it. And I felt that like my spiritual power was. Was here, but my physical power was here. And as much as I tried to get my spirit power up to here, that it wasn't working. So I began taking my physical power down. I never gave up being strong, but I did give up working out. I stayed supple and things and I just started doing deep breathing exercises and yoga and things I kept up with. But eventually I reached a place where I was like this even Steven. You know, and then my sternum broke. And when it broke, it was like a volcano opened up in my chest. And I. And I knew that this was the expansion that I'd worked 10 years to get to.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

You know, almost 10 years to get to consciously. And so I was like, well, do I go to the doctor and get my chest cavity sewed back up, or do I just go through this? So I went through the broken sternum. I never did a pain pill. I mean, I think I did maybe take eight ibuprofen or something through the whole ordeal. And. But. But about bees. I went home after my sternum broke. I drove home, you know, it was just horrible. There was like a. There was like a. A volcano of lava just flowing down my whole body here.

[Podcast Host]

And you're trying.

[Brandon]

I could see it. You know, I could. I could. I could see it. And I mean, it was just burning. And I go home, and I was, like, just trying to gather myself and figure out what the hell to do, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And so I go home, and this is one of my meditation poses, is like this. Like, I put my thumb on my temple, and I. And I went. I laid down like this, and there was a bumblebee on my forehead, and I went like this. And it stung me on my forehead, and I was already burning. I mean, like, to death. I was burning. And this bumblebee stung me on my forehead, and it was like this nerve fire seared through my brain and connected with that lava.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Brandon]

Here. And, I mean, that's when I just started just burning.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Brandon]

Burning. Burning. So bees are great allies, you know? And then I learned about bee sting therapy and those kinds of things.

[Podcast Host]

I just started seeing videos of this for Lyme disease, right?

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. Which I used to have.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. My. My dog has it, and I'm looking for remedies, but I don't want to sting them with these. But. Yeah, that's really interesting.

[Brandon]

Yeah. So, I mean, it burned. It was a huge assistant for this whole process was.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you used it?

[Brandon]

Well, it just.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon]

I mean, it.

[Podcast Host]

So one sting was enough to really get it going.

[Brandon]

Oh, man. And then I just. Then the fire. I mean, once it started, it. It just kept going.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Brandon]

And like I said, I would leave the house and it would die down, and then I'd, you know, get my supplies or whatever, so I could come home and meditate and. And then as soon as I'd start to meditate, I'd feel just a little ember, just a little fire. And I'd focus in on it and it would just light up and. And just catch the fire.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I'm sure we'll have to talk about that on the next episode.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, dude, this was great. Where could people find Breatharian Institute and find out more about you?

[Brandon]

Well, you can definitely look up breatharian.com. can we. Can we link my.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, we'll link it all. The Instagram.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. But Breatharian. B r e a T-H-A-R-I-A n dot com. I am in the process of revamping the website and stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Cool.

[Brandon]

And yeah, you can find us there. And.

Hopefully you can find me in Vegas more.

[Podcast Host]

Check them out, guys. I'm gonna start doing some more breath work again. I'll see you next time. Peace. Wherever you guys are watching this show, I would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe. It helps a lot with the algorithm. It helps us get bigger and better guests, and it helps us grow the team. Truly means a lot. Thank you guys for supporting. And here's the episode.