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Brandon Tatum: Israel, Gaza & Propaganda: Tatum Says 70% Is Fake | DSH #1683
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Officer Tatum
White people are superior, you want the country to be more white. Those things are racial. When you act as if white people are better than others, that's racism and you can't go around that. And if you spend your whole platform blaming Jews for everything that happens in the world, I also think you're not acting in good faith. If Nick Fuentes believes that Charlie is wrong, continue to have a voice. I don't think he shouldn't have a voice. And Charlie Kirk can continue to challenge the ideas you don't have to directly challenge. Cuz at the end of the day, it's not about the people, it's about the ideas. You know, there are certain people that I disagree with when it comes to Israel, but I don't need to talk about it and mention their name because it's really the idea that I disagree with, not the person. Some people I love and I disagree with, I don't disagree with them as a person, I disagree with their ideas. So I'm open for them to have a dialogue, but I just don't think they'll ever sit down and have a debate.
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Interviewer
Okay, guys. Officer Tate, I'm back on the show. It's been like a year and a half, I think.
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, Curry's.
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Interviewer
Oh, yeah, America Fest. Yeah, you've been busy since then?
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Officer Tatum
Oh, man, I'm always busy.
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Interviewer
Yeah, you be grinding, you'd be dropping hella content, right?
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, I try my best, man. I try to be saturated and what do you call it? Be omnipresent. Yeah. So my team does a great job at filtering it out. You know, back in the day when I used to edit all my own videos, that. That was a challenge. But now I got an incredible team. I record the videos, do as much as I can, and let them cut it and disseminate it.
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Interviewer
How have you been feeling overall with Trump taking office? I haven't spoken to you since he became president.
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, it's been great, man. It's been great. You know, if you counsel the noise, meaning that don't listen to the naysayers and these radical Democrats who are lunatics for the most part. If you don't listen to them, you'll see that Donald Trump is doing an incredible job. He's. He's doing a lot of the things he said he was going to do. Some of the things are taking a little longer than what we expected, but it's normal. He's a human. It's reality. This is real life. Everything don't just work in a vacuum. So securing the border was an incredible thing that he's been able to do. Changing the narrative on a lot of the lunatic stuff that's been pushed, like the LGBTQ stuff, and I'm not saying lgbtq, most specifically the men and women's sports, you know, advocating on behalf of women. We can go down the list. The economy is doing pretty good. I believe, in its tariffs. I think that it's going to work out. It's slow rolling, but it's going to work out. And so there's a lot of other things, you know, him having a conversation with the Russian President Putin, and also having a conversation with Zelensky and, you know, trying to get to a peace agreement. Looks like Israel seems to be working out some type of little peace deal. I don't know how effective it's going to be or how long it's going to last, but it seems like they're working out something in Gaza. Watching President Trump do all of these things is very amazing to see with the pushback that he's getting. If he was unobstructed and the media was on his side, I think he'd accomplish a lot more. The his ratings, how people believe in his administration will be a lot higher. But they continue to lie on television even after we've seen them completely lie almost the entire time he was president, the first time and the second term when Biden was in office. And they still continue to lie, which I think is a shame. Yeah.
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Interviewer
He even sued a few of them. Sued a few of those.
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Officer Tatum
And one. Yeah. And one, they're still lying. People don't realize that they're lining up and getting knocked down and they're settling with Trump because they done things that have been wrong. And I wish that the world would be able to see it. I think most rational people can see it. Some people that have tds, tump, the Brainer syndrome, they won't admit to the fact that this man has sued and successfully won against these major news platforms.
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Interviewer
And by the way, that's not an easy win.
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Officer Tatum
No, it's not.
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Interviewer
It's really hard to sue a platform.
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Officer Tatum
And win what you do. What you would have to do to get sued. Like that has to be incredibly egregious because we do have the First Amendment right. People have the freedom to speak, people have the freedom to have an opinion. But when you go to the point of being egregious, knowingly and intentionally lying about somebody and deceiving the public to shame somebody or to damage their reputation and you lose a lawsuit like that, that mean you did something crazy?
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Interviewer
Yeah, sure. How do you feel about this Trump First Newsome stuff? They seem to keep trading shots with each other.
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Officer Tatum
They're not on the same page. I mean, they're not on the same level. Donald Trump is a man that have had results not only in the private sector, but also as the President of the United States of America. Gavin Newsom, he's struggling in California. The fires, homelessness. He is the probably the most prolific snake oil salesman that there is. He's fake, he's disingenuous almost every time he opened his mouth. And I don't think him and Trump are on the same level. Realistically, I think he may try to run for president. Obviously, Gavin Newsom has ambitions to be a dictator. In my personal opinion. Not. Let me, let me not go too superfluous here. I think that he is narcissistic. I think Trump has a level of narcissism, too. Right. Some of these successful people have to be a little bit of narcissistic. However, Gavin Newsom is far beyond what any rational person is when it comes to narcissism. For him to think that he even have a chance to run for president or that it is respectful or respectable at all for him to consider as looking at what he's done in California, he should be ashamed of himself. But people like him will still get out there and put their face out there. I don't think he has a chance of winning, but I think he's going to try.
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Interviewer
He's leading the polls right now on Polymarket for the Democratic Party.
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Officer Tatum
Right? Yo the Democrat Party for sure. Because they don't have anybody. Who are they going to put up? Right?
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Interviewer
I think it's him and AOC at the aoc.
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Officer Tatum
Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they have. No, essentially, like I said, they have nobody. Nobody that's serious, nobody that has any level of accomplishments, nobody that could really speak to what the American people need. Gavin Newsom is Trying to curate his way into the Republican nomination. I mean, a Democrat nomination, meaning that. Look at him doing podcasts. He tried to go in with Charlie Kirk and got it destroyed. He's trying to do podcasts with all these people to give this image that he's a balanced and impartial person. But when he's pressed on certain issues, he does, like most Democrats do, they try to shy away from the topic and not be forthcoming with the people. You know, just keep it real. When they talk about women, men and women's sports, just keep it real. Why you gotta try to obfuscate and beat around the bush about your opinions. Just say it is what it is or it isn't. And I think people are sick of the wussy mentality from some of these politicians. They don't want to say this. They don't want to say this. They're sick of it. Donald Trump is really breaking that barrier. And I think J.D. vance, for, you know, by and large, are going to be the next president.
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Interviewer
You think he has the nod?
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Officer Tatum
I think. I think so. I like J.D. vance. He's a very smart person. And to be honest, and I'm. And I'm doing this at a risk of getting in trouble, I think that when it comes to articulating his vision and articulating what the American people need, I think J.D. vance does it better than Trump. I think J.D. vance can be a good predecessor of Trump. I think that he has the American experience, meaning that he grew up in the humble beginnings, he worked his way to the top, and to watch him chastise Zelenskyy, the last time he was in the Oval Office, last time they were having a conversation was really something that made him stand apart, in my opinion, versus other politicians.
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Interviewer
He did hold his ground.
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Officer Tatum
It's not a game here. You know what I'm saying? When you come and disrespect our country, I expect for the vice president or the president to come and say something to you. And to see J.D. vance do that, in my personal opinion, gives him a nod in my book. Yeah. I mean, he's checked all the boxes for me. Even as vp, when I watched him, I said, yeah, he's going to be vp.
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Interviewer
I know you're not the biggest Fuentes fan, but when you see him call out JD Vance for, like, the Palantir and the who's the guy, that Peter Thiel connection, have you looked into that at all?
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Officer Tatum
I haven't looked into it. I heard that. I heard Nick Fuentes talk about that. But, you know, I have a lot of opinions about Nick Fuentes and this specifically. It's like everybody's calling each other a fraud. Somebody's lying, and somebody's correct. Maybe all of them are lying. I don't know which one it is. Because Nick Fuentes calls J.D. vance a fraud, saying that he's propped up by Peter Thiel and that there's some conspiracy to get him in office because he's a puppet. I don't think So. I mean, J.D. vance actually has a real story. It's not like he came from nowhere. He was born in a foreign country and he moved up the ranks as a. You know, his parents were all rich and he's kind of snuck through the radar. And now he's trying to act like, you know, the guy named Donnie in New York, he's trying to act like he's for the people.
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Interviewer
That guy came out of nowhere.
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Officer Tatum
He came out of nowhere. But this guy's off. His parents are also rich, he's also very wealthy, and he's pushing communism. Now, if J.D. vance was that type of person, I'd say that's very suspicious. But J.D. vance had a real story. And the biggest point that some people have brought up, even Nick Fuentes included, say that J.D. vance had once hated Donald Trump. I think probably 60% of the people that like Donald Trump today. I don't say 60, maybe 40% of the people that like Donald Trump today at one point hated him. Yeah, Many people that are conservative today at one point, I think by and large, the new wave of conservatives were liberals. I hated Republicans before Donald Trump ran for office. I happen to be one that liked him in his first term. There's so many people that I know that, that said crazy stuff about Trump online, but then now they're the biggest is Trump supporters. Right. J.D. vance's switch in mentality is not very shocking to me. And I've seen people go the other way where they love Donald Trump. Donald Trump is great. And then they hate him. They want nothing to do with him. He's deep state operative. So I've seen it go both ways. So that does. That does not. That's not convincing enough to me that J.D. vance is somehow a puppet. I think that there are good people that see people with talent and they decide to fund and support them. But I haven't gone down a rabbit hole, so I can't deny anything that he said. It's just the smell test initially don't seem reasonable to me. It just seems like there's Some people that want controversy. There's some people that they build their platform on. Conspiracies. Yeah, because conspiracies can be very enticing. Drama is very enticing. Learning the tea or something that nobody else really knows or putting the dots together can be very enticing to people. And there's individuals that build a platform on that outside of conspiracy. Do you have a platform outside of conspiracy? Do you have legitimate things to say outside of controversy where it seems that you have beef and art with everybody? Do you have a platform outside of that? And people like him, Nick Fuentes and others that that's all their platform is. It make you skeptical of almost everything that they say.
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Interviewer
I'm not a fan of building a platform entirely off controversy and conflict. I don't think that's sustainable long term because then you're just constantly doing crazier and crazier things.
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Officer Tatum
Well, then how far are you willing to go to continue it? Right. Because it does have a chef life. Not everybody want to hear controversy all the time. A lot of people do want unity. They want people called out when it's necessary. They want love and unity when it's necessary and reasonable. It's kind of like Jesus's life. He called out the Pharisees when it was applicable. He flipped tables over in the temple when they were doing shenanigans. But then he also read parables and, and spoke life to people that were not a part of the fold, that were considered the prostitute. And he spoke life to that person. He, he, he, he spoke parables to give people a better understanding about what the truth is. So he had a balanced perspective in how he represented. And anybody that claimed to be a Christian, so they should have somewhat of a balanced platform or they're just trying to go viral. They're just trying to become relevant. If you, if you take away one aspect of a person's platform and they have nothing left on the table, it tells you what they're all about. They're not really about educating and not really about, you know, making a difference. Let me just give you a perfect example. And I've been. People have seen me on platforms and they. I get pushback online when I talk about Nick Fuentes for whatever reason. I mean, he has a lot of. He has a co founder, he has a co founder. He has a lot of influence, which is fine. But I often look at Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes as comparable individuals. Charlie Kirk is probably one of the most brilliant people that I've ever met. He can remember every date that he's ever learned. You know, the guy is brilliant. I think Nick Fuentes is also brilliant. I think Charlie Kirk is brilliant in a way in which he put guy first. He's genuinely trying to make a difference, and he is making a difference, in my personal opinion. I think that McFuentes is jealous of Charlie Kirk. He wished that he had the accolades that Charlie Kirk has. He wished he had the platform and the donors that have been able to build something special for him. But instead of him doing something positive on his own, he rather hate on Charlie Kirk. And this is the reason why. You see Charlie Kirk doing what he's doing and Nick Fuentes doing what he's doing, even though they're both are incredibly intelligent and pretty much in front of the curb when it comes to their own age group. Charlie Kirk started Turning Point. You're saving. He was like 17 in Brazil. I mean, raising hundreds of millions of dollars with the organization that's all over the country. I mean, they have places all over the world, at least in the uk I know for a fact. But Charlie Kirk, in my opinion, if it had not been for him, and there's a lot of people that donated and supported him that are very wealthy and successful that saw a vision in this young man going out and doing what he's done, I don't think that we would have our country would be the way it is today. I don't think that conservatism will be as popular as it is today if it had not been for Charlie Kirk. I don't care what people say. And I don't agree with everything Charlie Kirk does or says. You know, me and him, I don't hang out on the weekends or anything like that. I'm just real recognized, real. I've been to Turning Point events. I see that there's nobody on these campuses for conservatives, nobody with a voice, nobody with giving out a different message. And Turning Point has created that. On the other end, you look at the people who hate Charlie Kirk, and I think Nick Fuentes is one of them that say he's a sellout and all this stuff. What has he been able to build? An online presence of trolls? What foundation have he started? Turning Point has Turning Point, Turning Point faith, Turning Point action. I mean, well, you name it, Turning Point has involvement and it has built an astronomical number. And it's not because of the Jews or somebody. It's because he has a real message. And I believe in Charlie Kirk's message. That's why I partner with Turning Point usa. And like I said, they don't always make me happy. You know what I mean? I don't think they kiss my butt at all. I have to challenge them a few times, you know, to. For me to feel like I get fair treatment and. But overall, they've been incredible, and they're making an incredible difference, and that's why I want to be a part of what they're doing.
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Interviewer
So all that being said, do you want to see them have a conversation or do you think they should just avoid each other?
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Officer Tatum
Well, if I thought that Nick Fuentes would have a conversation with Charlie in good faith, which means that they would have a conversation, not a debate, right? Not I got you, not a pissing contest, then I would say, yeah, I would love to hear that, because I would like to see Charlie, Kurt, really embarrass Nick Fuentes on some of the points that he's been able to make. That's nonsensical. Right. But I don't think that Nick Fuentes is going to act in good faith. I don't think that he really wants to have a real conversation with Charlie Kirk. I don't think that even the things that Nick Fuentes says is even genuine in and of themselves. He say, I'm not racist, but then he goes on Candace Owens podcast and say, well, I used to consider myself racial, but. But I consider myself racist now. But maybe it's tongue in cheek. No, if you believe that white people are superior, you want the country to be more white. Those things are racial and racist. In my personal opinion, when you act as if white people are better than others, that's racism, and you can't go around that. And if you spend your whole platform blaming Jews for everything that happens in the world, I also think you're not acting in good faith. So I don't think they're ever going to have a real conversation. But I do think it's invaluable that if Nick Fuentes believes that Charlie is wrong, continue to have a voice, I don't think he shouldn't have a voice. And Charlie Kirk can continue to challenge the ideas. He don't have to directly challenge Nick Fuentes, because at the end of the day, it's not about the people, it's about the ideas. There are certain people that I disagree with when it comes to Israel, but I don't need to talk about it and mention their name because it's really the idea that I disagree with, not the person. Some people I love and I disagree with. I don't disagree with them as a person, I disagree with their ideas. So I'm, I'm open for them to have a dialogue, but I just don't think they'll ever sit down and have a debate.
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Interviewer
Yeah, the Israel stuff is such a hot topic these days. I thought it would die off by now, but it's just non stop all day.
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Officer Tatum
Well, it's, it's because of anti Semitism and I know a lot of people get weirded out with that word because that word has been overused. Just like racism. Everything is not racist. Yeah. And everything is not anti Semitic. However, when you see things going off the rails when it come to Jews, that's when I realized that it begun it be it has become an anti Semitic thing. When you say I don't agree with Benjamin Netanyahu, that's normal. I think Israelis and Jewish people don't agree with Benjamin anyhow either. I went to Israel for two weeks now. That's, I didn't live there, but I went there for a substantial amount of time and I don't think everybody agrees with the government. Not at Austria over there. Right? Huh?
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Interviewer
Is it democracy?
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Officer Tatum
It's a democracy over there. They don't believe it. They got a Senate, the Knesset and then they have a president. They may have elections now obviously there's been some, some things going on with the election there because of war and all that other stuff and I haven't dug into that. So I don't know the Details. But they do have an opportunity to elect people and into office, and they do have a say. And there's a variety of people that live there. Arab Christians, you have, you know, Christians, you have Jews that live there, Palestinians that live there. Some of them have become citizens of Israel. And so it's, it's, it's a very diverse place that's a lot different than what people make it out to be. However, I don't think everybody agrees with Anyahu the war. I'm more radical when it comes to the war than the average person. I have. I don't have as much mercy as some people have for the results of what happened on October 7th. Yeah, if you're gonna do that to a group of people and kill them and murder and rape their women, then whatever's coming to you, you're gonna get. If that happened to America, you can better believe your, your country will become a parking lot. And if you don't love your people enough not to attack America, then why do we love your people more than you do? So I'm a little more radical when it comes to that, but I don't think every Jewish person, every Israel, Israeli agrees with the war. So critique of the war is fine. Why not? If there's people that could potentially be starving? Critique of the way that the food is being administered is not an anti Semitic thing. What happens is when you begin to attach a particular fault on a people that you don't genuinely have congruent with another country. If you don't think that America, if America did the same thing as Israel, if you don't think that America is wrong for doing other countries that have done this, then you have to look in the mirror and say, are you just singling out Israel? And if you are, why? If food shortages are happening, which no military in a war situation is providing food to the enemy, to be quite honest, but Israel is going up and beyond to do it. If you are attaching a theology that they're intentionally starving people, that you go beyond just a critique. When you're saying that Israel runs America, you can criticize aipac. But when you say they run America, when you say they run President Trump, that he's bought and paid for by Netanyahu or whatever you want to say, that's when it becomes a problem. When you have a Jew that is associated with an investment firm that owns most of the pornography sites, that's a Jewish person doing it. When you say the Jews run the porn industry, that's when you go beyond the Veil, you're going so far that you become anti Semitic.
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Interviewer
You lump everyone in one category.
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Officer Tatum
Every Jew is not the same. You have religious Jews and you have ethnic Jews. You have people who claim to be the seed of Abraham and you have people that don't claim to be the seed of Abraham whatsoever. They have no connection. They don't even want a connection. You have people in America who are born Jewish citizen, Jewish American citizens. You have people that are born in Israel. You have people, Jewish people that live in the West Bank. I mean, you. Every Jew is not the same, just like every black person is the same. Just like every Asian person is the same, just not like not every white person is the same. White people come from different backgrounds. White people in the south versus people in the east are very different people. People on the west coast are very. So when you start lumping people into a certain category that you don't generically do for other people, you have to ask yourself why. I'm, you know, I've never had a problem with any Jewish person. Does that mean Jewish people are all good? No. There has to be nutty people in every, every aspect of life. But when you go beyond and say things that are unverified and that the Jews are responsible, the Jews, not a Jew, not a group of Jews, but the Jews are responsible for 9, 11, World War I, World War II, it begins to be to me, not a good faith argument or discussion or critique.
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Interviewer
Yeah. And to me it's interesting to see how many political commentators are heading towards that way. Like you got Tucker now, Candace Fuentes and a lot of them. And it's, it's almost like why and what, like what's going on. Exactly.
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Officer Tatum
You know, I think that this is my belief system is that some people get bit with the anti Semite bug. I think it's a spiritual thing where they begin to get consumed with this idea that Jews are bad and they consume. The whole content is surrounded by what Jews are doing and what they're not doing. And I think it's also trending and it's effective to get views and get popularity. It's not going to be sustainable because after a certain while the truth comes out and then all of a sudden the arguments fall apart. If just think about this, somebody says that the Jews were in America. Well, what part of America are you saying? The Jews run the media? I, I will argue that some people may have come on your show. I don't know if Nick Francis has come on your show.
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Interviewer
It's been on.
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, I I would argue that people like that say that they run the media because there's some Jews that run media organizations. Well, if they run the media, then why can't they prevent the media from trashing them on, on a database? They've lost the media.
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Interviewer
The media on Twitter for sure the.
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Officer Tatum
Media is against Israel at this point.
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Interviewer
Are you talking about the traditional media or traditional social media?
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Officer Tatum
No, no, traditional media. Traditional media. Look at the starving kids in Israel. I mean, you know, in west bank or Gaza they will literally post a kid that have a pre existing condition that has nothing to do with starving. Never fact check it, never vetted whatsoever. I would argue that they did vet it, but they still put the false information out anyway. I forget the name of the kid, but the young kid that you see that was on New York Times or something where he's, you know, emaciated looking, but the mama is completely healthy and the other son is completely healthy. Right. They knew it. They saw it when they took the picture of the woman and, but instead they disseminate the information intentionally. So in my personal opinion, if the Jews run America and the Jews run the media, then why wouldn't they be able to stop misinformation from going out there that Netanyahu literally had to do a press conference to dispel all of these lies? Emaciated man, he had a pre existing condition. You know, you're looking at the propaganda like I haven't, I have yet to see a real video of starvation and Gaza.
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Interviewer
Wow.
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Officer Tatum
Do I think that people are probably struggling to get sufficient food in Gaza because of things that have happened obviously during the war. But like all the videos that I see are like these same situations. You got kids that rub mud on their face. You got kids that they put out there that look like they're hungry or some of that look like they're, they're, they're nourished, but then they're in a position where it looks like they're starving for food. There's a very big difference. If you see the hostages that they show that they paraded around, that's starvation. That means that you're so weakened from a lack of nutrition that you can't even lift your head up. You literally can barely talk. Open your eyes. You are starving when you are just skinny like some of the people that they've shown that have other conditions. But your eyes can open. You know, you're talking, you seem like you have energy, but your body is skinny. That tells me a different story. And I feel like there's propaganda videos that come out. I did a video about this, and this is, this is not my own doing. You know how the social media will feed you what you look, consume what you look at. I saw one video of a bomb going off, looked like in Gaza that was filmed. And I don't know if this, the government, I don't know if there's people just exploiting social media. I don't really know where this is coming from, but it's getting like hundreds of millions of views on social media. I was looking at the video and I see a bomb go off. And then. And I say, wait a minute, how did they get the camera there? You know how people do a little, you know, they wake up in the morning, they do a little lifestyle. You say, wait a minute, you were in the bed, sleep with the lights off. You had to set the camera up for the camera to catch you waking up, you know, so somebody had to set the camera up. So when this situation goes on. And I said, well, who set the camera up? And then I. Then it feeds me more. And I'm like, what about this? Another one with a perfectly set camera that's facing directly in the direction of where the bomb explodes at. And this is one amateur camera that's on the ground that they set up. And it's. And then, God is my witness, for 15 minutes, I scrolled through videos that were fed to me. Every single video was staged. Every single video was a camera set up directly at a building that got shot by a rocket. And then every single situation, you have to look at it and read through the lines. You say, well, why is it that every video seems to have a camera that's set up in a perfect position for the building that's going to get hit, but yet it's far enough away that it's not affected by the explosion? And then the people that are there, conveniently enough, are all far away where they're not affected by the explosion. Yet the cameraman knows what a bomb is going to be. But all the people that are walking around don't know what a bomb is going to be. They're walking around like nothing's going to happen. How is that possible? Every video, and this is where I just lost it. And I said, I got to start speaking out for, for the lies that I'm seeing. And I really do believe, and I think that one day this will Bear True, that 60 to 70% of all the information that's coming out of Gaza is propaganda. The starvation. I think there are People that are hungry. I think there are people who have gone without sufficient amount of food. Is it mass starvation with the intent to starve these people? The answer is no. When it comes to genocide, you have to be the most disingenuous person on planet earth to say that there's a genocide. If Israel wanted to kill and genocide people in Gaza, they could kill hundreds of thousands of people at one time. They would kill. They could kill everybody in Gaza in a matter of a week.
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Interviewer
Damn.
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Officer Tatum
I would say quicker than that. All you got to do is get them to evacuate to an evacuation zone and bomb the evacuation zone and say, oops, we sorry, it was a mishap. And they could kill tens of thousands of people at one time, hundreds of thousands at one time, at one event. They have so much military power in comparison to Gaza. Gaza don't have an airstrip. Gaza don't have a military. Or at least where they can bring in weapons from the, from the Mediterranean Sea, they can, Egypt, Israel completely controls that entire area. They could kill all these people at one time. If they wanted to starve them, they could have never given them food. From the beginning of October 7th all the way through, they could have never given them any aid and forced other countries to give them aid. But they didn't. They fed these people. There's a, a lot of, like the feed the fee zones. They claim that people were killing people at the fee zones. The UN and others claim that there's 1300 people that died at the fee zones. Have you ever seen a video of somebody actually getting shot at a fee zone? No, I've never seen it. I see the videos of them, you know, doing warning shots, shooting at the ground. But in the video where somebody's filming the IDF shoot at the ground, they have no footage of the bullets actually hitting anybody. What is to be said? I looked at, I looked up on ChatGPT, which anybody that's watching this should know Chat BT is not always 100% accurate. You always have to verify what they're saying with the sources that they claim. But I looked up ChatGPT and I said, are Hamas soldiers still in aid and are they killing their own citizens at the feed zone? The answer was no. There's no evidence. You scroll down just a little bit. UN says that 96% of all of the aid brought into Gaza have been confiscated. Not entirely, but they've been looted. And they said it's responsible for militant groups or gangs in Gaza with weapons. Who else is in Gaza with weapons outside of Hamas? That have looted 96% of all the food that's going in. To me, it's propaganda that they do not want to expose the fact that Hamas is doing this. Ask yourself this question. How does Hamas eat? They don't go to the feed zone with the regular people. How do they get food? They're stealing the food and taking it into the tunnels and they're feeding themselves. Many cases, they resell the food back to the people for inflated prices. Wow. There's a lot of different things that go on here that make me wonder, like what is really going on. I think it's going to end up being a lot of propaganda when it's all said and done. There was a concerted effort to make Israel look bad. And it has been the same ever since the beginning of time. The killing of that journalist. Now, Al Jazeera is by and large sponsored by Qatar. So they have a vested interest of being biased. Just like any other organization that's sponsored by Israel have the propensity to be biased. Right. So why wouldn't people. Why would people think that Al Jazeera is going to accurately portray Israel in a positive light? The journalist, there's clear ties that this person was associated with Hamas. They got pictures, they have photos. IDF claimed they have logs. It's not shocking because he wouldn't be the only one. There was other journalists that had held hostages. When you see the Hamas soldiers or whatever taking people on October 7th, they're dressed in plain clothes. How do you differentiate between who's who? And so at the end of the day, when the smoke settles, I think that people are going to realize that this has been probably one of the biggest forest and misinformation campaigns that have ever existed. Do I think that Israel does everything right? No, America doesn't do everything right. And I think we're the greatest country on planet earth. Do I think Benjamin Netanyahu is perfect? No. I think he is acting in good faith, but I haven't dug into his history to see if he's a good man overall. Do I think that Israel is trying to eliminate Palestinians? That couldn't be further from the truth. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians work in Israel before October 7th. They work in Israel. I was there. I saw them. They. They served me right alongside Jewish people. The West Bank. If there's a genocide in Gaza, why is not a genocide in the West Bank? They're all Palestinian people. They're all Arab people, Muslim, and their charter and their objective is to never accept Israel as a legitimate state. There's evidence of this. I think it was five times that there was a two state solution that was proposed. And every time Israel said yes, the Arabs and Gaza and the west bank, the Palestinians said no. They rejected them all. The first one I think was in 1920. I could have my dates off a little bit. 1926, where the proposal for the petition was that Gaza would get or Palestinians would get 75% of Israel and Jews would get 17%. They rejected it. And then obviously after the war, after land was, was, you could say conquered by the Jewish people. Obviously the west bank in Gaza is the only places that the Palestinian people would have a right to. Yeah. And so it was also offered for them to get like 92% of Gaza and the West bank or 92% of West Bank, 100% of Gaza, 96% of the West Bank, 100% of Gaza. They rejected it every single time. So people cannot say that the Jews don't really want a two state solution or peace with the Palestinians. It's clear that they don't want peace with the Jewish people. I'm going to give you this. This is one thing that bothers me about every single naysayer who hate Israel and claim that they're ruling the world and they're negative and all this stuff. When was the last time you seen a terrorist attack from a Jewish person in America? I can't think of it. I don't think it's ever happened. When is the last time you seen a Jewish person or Jewish group or militia group or even the IDF go to another country and behead people and intentionally murder people on camera, video recorded, put it out in front of the world? You would never see it happen. Tucker Carlson did an interview with a nun which was George Stephanopoulos. Stephanopoulos, his sister, which already should be a red flag to be quite honest. But he let her go on and say that Hamas wasn't a terrorist organization pretty much. And that they were freedom fighters. You can go back and read it. She literally said Hamas wouldn't do any harm to America. They don't want to do any harm to anybody. Which is the nuttiest thing somebody can ever say. He didn't push back at all against her really. I wrote an op ed and like pretty much I did research about what is the life like, what is the experience of Christians in Gaza and in Israel and in West Bank. Come to find out there's 187,000 Christians that live in Israel. There's 50,000 live in the West Bank. Only a Thousand live in Gaza. In Israel, Christians are able to start churches, participate in the government fighting, in the military. They're able to evangelize, which means they can convert people. There's some restrictions, meaning they can't coerce people, which should be a restriction in America, to be honest. You can't coerce people or you can't solicit the faith to minors without parental consent. That's it. You could pretty much do everything in Israel as a Christian in the, in Gaza, you cannot evangelize. In the west bank, you cannot evangelize. Christians are losing population numbers a lot, and it's because they're not welcome in these Palestinian areas as much as they are in Israel. If you look at Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, you know, Christians, Lord and Savior. It used to be 80% Christians who live in Bethlehem. Now it's about 17%. Why? And this has all been under Palestinian control. Why? Because they're pushing Christians out. Christians are not welcome. The population in Israel of Christians are stable or growing, according to research that I've done. Why is that? Now let's do this. Christians are not allowed in. Some of the most dangerous places for Christians to ever be is in Arab nations or these, these Muslim nations, Syria, you name it. They can't go there, get beheaded and get killed. Let's do this for a minute and tell me if anybody would disagree with me. There's only one Jewish state, and in that Jewish state, Christians are welcomed. They probably not as accepted as they are in America, obviously, because there's Jews that live there. And we have a difference of theology when it comes to Jesus and our salvation and faith. So I don't think they're kissing their butts in Israel, however. But I think that they're as safe as any place in that entire, in the entire Middle east is being in Israel for a Christian. Now let's switch the Jewish nation with the Islamic nations. There's only one Jewish nation which is Israel. Let's switch. Let's give Arabs one nation and replace all the other nations with a Jewish nation. Just say there are Jewish states. Do you think the world will be safer? The answer is yes, because you cannot name damage and you say terrorist attacks that have happened, negative things that have happened, ideologies that are, that are against America, that have happened in Israel, that have happened in, in the Jewish state, the only Jewish state. Persecution of Christians don't happen in Israel, at least to the, to the degree it happens in some of these Muslim nations. If you switch the two, the world be a safer place. And nobody really wants to acknowledge that. Tucker will never acknowledge that. They. They act as if the Jews are the worst people on planet earth when they are not as effective as people think. Last thing I'm going say, because I think this is important. People say that Israel runs America. I think the opposite is true. There's a friend that I was talking to that live in Israel that say that Israel has to get approval from America to do military action in many cases. And Israelis hate that. They feel like that they're under the thumb of America. America, in my opinion, runs Israel, not the other way around. Why do I say that? If we decided to not give Israel any more funding, that would be the end of Israel. It would be the end of Israel. If they don't have military support in the backing of the United States of America, there will be no Israeli state. They will get attacked by all these Arab nations with billions of dollars in aircrafts and bombs. And they have no moral. They have no moral capacity. They will kill and behead all these people on television if America backed away from them. So who do you think is controlling who? Israel is a strategic partner for us in the Middle East. Strategic with democracy, strategic with military, just like we saw in Iran. Do you think that Israel just did that on their own? No. America acts proxy through Israel. In many cases. We fund them and we act on their behalf. That's how we ended up in Iran, too. You think Donald Trump didn't know that Netanyahu was going to strike in Iran? No, we already planned it. That's why we worked together with them for military assets. We moved all our assets to the region. Why? Because we were getting ready to strike and do whatever Israel needed us to do in that situation. Because we partnered on that mission. And for people to think that it's the other way around. Meaning that Netanyahu tells Trump what to do. These people are disingenuous, Trump said they don't know what the f they're doing. If Netanyahu was running him, why would he let Donald Trump say they don't know what the f they're doing in front of the world? When he told Netanyahu to turn those jets around because they were going to attack Iran once again after they had agreed to a ceasefire, he said, turn the jets around and park them. What did Netanyahu did? He turned the jets around and they parked him. And there was no more strikes in Iran. America is the most powerful country on earth and we're not run by anybody. And I Hope that people will realize that.
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Interviewer
Yeah. The biggest argument I see when people say Israel runs America is the AIPAC stuff, how they donate to a lot of politicians. Have you looked into that?
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, I did look into that and I see why people should be concerned about aipac. Right. I mean, I think you should. Should you attach a narrative of impropriety immediately? No. But they do spend a lot of money in our elections. They spent $95 million in our elections getting candidates elected. I think 100% of the Democrat candidates that they supported all won their elections. But you can't necessarily attract negativity or attract some impropriety just because they're Jews. Right. Just because they support Jewish causes. In my personal opinion, if you look at ActBlue, Act Blue donated or sponsored money in a political campaign. $1 billion. The Republican side of it was Win Red. They did like 600 or $800 million. That far exceeds the political influence and money spent by AIPAC. 95 million versus a billion. Who you think have more influence. What candidates are going to capitulate to what Win Read or Act Blue wants when they, when they're dishing out billions of dollars in campaigns? I think people should question apac. But be fair in your questioning. Don't automatically associate a negative because they're Americans who care about Jewish interests. I'm one of those people. I'm America first. Yeah. My country from first. Anybody else is secondary. If it came down to America or Israel, you know who I'm picking. America. Every time. However, I do love Israel and I think we should protect them. And I think that they're, you know, it's a whole religious side of it that I believe in, but outside of that, you know. Well, I'll just, I'll just say it like this. I would support Israel if, if it, if it came an opportunity to support. I would. I'm not bought by apac. I don't, I don't. I don't have a vested interest. I just believe in the people of Israel and I think that it's a sacred land for Christians. And I want to see that being controlled with the. With and occupied by people who are at least respect our Christian values. And so I would give that. Don't make me nefarious. You look online in your comment section after you upload this, people are going to say Brandon Tatum is paid by aipac. I didn't know what APAC was until this year. They're not paying me any money. I don't need any money to say things that I Believe so. Should people question it? Yes, but they should know the truth. There is like seven other organizations just like AIPAC for other countries, Qatar and others, but nobody talks about them. Why? Qatar and other countries give to our Ivy League universities hundreds of millions of dollars and these universities become indoctrination centers where people are taught to hate America.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Officer Tatum
Do they question that? I don't think AIPAC is a net negative. I think a bunch of Israeli people or a bunch of Jewish American people, not Israeli, but Jewish American people have a vested interest in themselves to say, I want America and Israel to get along. I want American policies and Israel policies to be congruent. I want the Israeli state to continue to exist. So I will lobby to make sure that that happens. It's nothing wrong with Americans saying, I want to use my dollars and my influence to do what I want it to do. These politicians don't have to work with aipac. They're choosing to. It's not like they put a gun in their head and say, you're going to lose. Like, for instance, you're going to lose if I don't support you. Well, the person that's running against me don't support me either. So if AIPAC only said, if you don't support me, I'm not going to support you. And they did that with every candidate. The people that are on the opposite side of that already don't support them. So they will get nothing out of this transaction. I just think there's good people that support Israel and they are going to fund those people that support Israel. That's just the way it is. That's like conservatives. I will spend my money in elections where conservatives are running. I will spend my money in elections where pro American people are running. I will spend my election, my money in elections where Christians are running. Does that make me a nefarious person? And I'm. And I'm somehow got some conspiracy that I'm trying to do something wicked. No. I will spend my money and advocate where interests matter to me.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Officer Tatum
And I think the American Israeli Partnership means a lot to a lot of people, not just politically, but also spiritually.
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Interviewer
What I'm realizing too is it's kind of confusing, but there's a few America first movements, right? Because obviously you said you're America First. Trump's America First. Now Fuentes is starting an America first movement. But that's different from what you're saying, right?
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, I think that. I think that Fuentes, his movement is really a white America First. Donald Trump is America first for boomers. You know, I still think he's. Sometimes he don't understand Covid and you know, because he said it's the best. One of the best inventions of mankind.
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Interviewer
Oh, the vaccine.
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Officer Tatum
He's the vaccine. He said that on Candace Orange podcast. And because this recently or about this is. Well, this is a while ago back when, back 2000.
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Interviewer
I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he changed that stance by now.
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Officer Tatum
I haven't heard. No, he hasn't. He hasn't ever come out and really critiqued really vaccines. He. He still think it's a good idea. He took the vaccine. Vanka took the vaccine. What? His kid and his son Junior and them. They don't believe in it. Donald Trump has been all in for vaccines.
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Interviewer
I'm shocked.
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Officer Tatum
And that's where him and Candace kind of had a falling out because he said it on her podcast and it went viral and people hated him over it. The Epstein thing. And Donald Trump is completely dropping the ball on Epstein in my personal career. So he's America first and there's an America first group that believe that he's wrong about Epstein, the vaccines, and like Nick Fuentes. Nimmin off in another category. Got it. When you think that America should be more white, I think that you're missing a point. America should be more conservative. America should be more assimilated. That's not a color. You know, if you, if you're a good person, you're a good person no matter what color you are. And I wish that more people would be good people. Yeah.
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Interviewer
I always felt like the racing was a low IQ argument.
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Officer Tatum
It's a very low iq. You gotta be completely stupid to think that race matters at all about anything. And because we're all mixed up, you go look at the 23andMe, you're going to see that everybody got a little bit of something.
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Interviewer
I had like 19 different things, right?
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Officer Tatum
Me too. I probably had about eight, nine different things. Africa is obviously where majority of my DNA come from, but also we had white people in our DNA. Somewhere. Somewhere somebody was with a white person. But at the end of the day, what does it matter, bro? America is a idea. It's not a person. It's not a race. It's an idea. And if you believe in the idea, you'll be successful. You Elon Musk believed in American idea. That's why he the richest man in the world. Jeff Bezos believes in the idea. There's, there's a lot of black folks believe in the idea. Michael Jordan believes in the idea. Shaquille o', Neal, one of my. One of the people I really admire when I consider him a good friend of mine. Shaquille o' Neal believes in the idea. That's why these people flourish in America. And you don't have to be white to do that. Let me tell you this. And this is one thing that people don't bring up about Nick Fuentes enough. And I think that this is why I think he's a complete narcissistic racist in some capacity. When you say America should be more white, the most dangerous people in America are white liberals or white white extremists. And why don't he talk about those individuals? They are the ones who push Black Lives Matter. They are the ones who want to push affirmative action. They are the ones who posture up people like Martin Luther King to get black people on welfare. They are the ones that want unlimited illegal immigration in this country. They are the ones fighting ice. They the ones out there picketing and protesting and then Congress crying and spitting on each other because they want America to be an ungodly nation. They hate God, and they have more power than just about anybody. All of these political candidates, look at. Look at the ones who run for office. There's never been a Jew that ran for office. How many black presidents have we had? Most of these people have been white. And all of the destruction and chaos and confusion are run by people that either elevate these ignorant black people or people who are ignorant themselves who want to push an agenda that keeps black people separated from white people. And it's like. And so on and so forth. Black people are not the biggest problem in America. Black people are a minority. 40 million black people live in America. 97%, 98% of black women voted for Kamala Harris, and they lost in a landslide. They really. Black people have really are losing political power. So they don't have leverage, to be honest. Anyway, nobody's listening to celebrities anymore. So all the black celebrities, nobody really cares. And the prevailing person against the vote of the black person has been Donald Trump, the Republican Party leader. So black people don't have that much power. It's the white people, the white liberals that I believe are destroying this country, pushing pronouns, lgbtq, trans rights, men can have babies. Who's pushing that? You don't see a black agenda doing that. It's, to be honest, by and large, it's these white people at these all white universities that are pushing propaganda to make people hate America.
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Interviewer
You've seen it firsthand.
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Officer Tatum
You go to the campuses, there's no black people on these campuses.
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Interviewer
Most of one of your tables got.
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Officer Tatum
Someone picked it up and UC Berkeley, UC Davis, nut jobs. Not one person was black there. You know, we haven't gone to HBCUs the way we've gone to major university, but the major universities, these epicenters of indoctrination, are majority white. Look at Charlie when he goes to these events, a sea of white people, most of these professors are white liberal nut jobs. And I'm not saying black people are not liberal nut jobs too. But overwhelmingly, if you look at the biggest threat to America is the white left. It's really not conservatism. Most good, decent, black like. Let me give you a statistical point here. People like N. Fuentes and others will say black people should be in prison. I saw a video went viral of his. Black people should be in prison for the most part. Well, let's look at the stats. Black people commit about 6,000 murders a year. 98% of it is against other black people. So let's just say one for one, that's 6,000 murderers. There's 40 million black people that live in America. 6,000 murderers. The overwhelming majority of black people are not murdering anybody. I think people need to put the numbers in perspective.
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Interviewer
6,000 out of 40 million.
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, 40 million.
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Interviewer
That's not even 0.5%.
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Officer Tatum
Yeah, it's, it's even lower than that. Like that's the chance that you get struck by lightning is probably more than you heard by a black man if you are black. But if you live in these concentration, concentrated areas of violence, most of the murders are occurring in these inner cities. They're not occurring all over the state. All of us, you go to Chicago right now, have the best time of your life. You go in the affluent areas where the white people live, you're gonna have, you're not gonna, you can leave your doors wide open. It's concentrated areas of poverty and violence. When I was a police officer, I noticed that white crime and violence or white crime and poverty go together like black crime and poverty. The only difference is gang related violence.
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Interviewer
Got it.
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Officer Tatum
Which make black people go up another notch. But when you talk about abandoning children, meaning fatherless homes, when you talk about people using drugs, violence, killing each other, stabbing each other, robbing, stealing copper and doing all this stuff, white people had the same rate of some of this stuff as when I grew up. The only difference is white people don't have gangs. So they're not doing drive by shootings. People aren't on the corner selling dope the way they do in the black community. So there's a. There's a heightened level of criminal activity in a black neighborhood that's higher than white, but it's still. White neighborhoods are still places you don't want to live. The poor, poverty, white neighborhoods. So people that don't understand that because they never actually patrolled and lived anywhere other than some little small area where they only had negative experiences with black people, they really don't understand the totality of what we're really looking at here.
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Interviewer
I like how you present stuff because you have the stats, plus you have firsthand experience. You're not just arguing based off what you see online.
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Officer Tatum
Right. And if I was as smart as had the IQ of like, Charlie Kirk or somebody, or I can remember stuff like Nick Fuentes, it'd probably be more effective because I got a lot in my mind, but I can't remember out of names and stuff like that. I just remember the concepts of things that I've read and experienced. But my personal experience don't lie. I've been around the entire country. I think I almost been to every state in the union, and I've spoke to almost. I don't know how many universities at this point. 50 universities. Damn. I've spoken in this. I've been doing this since 2017. I went to 22 universities in 2017 or 2018, when I first started with Turning Point. I mean, so over the years, I've been going to all these universities. Sometimes I cycle through the same ones. But I see this stuff firsthand. I see the indoctrination. I see these young people hurting. You know, I have the experience of growing up in the church. I have the experience of, you know, so, like, my experiences go deep. I grew up in a black neighborhood. I went to. I played for college football, and I was a police officer. Now I travel the country speaking to people. I do business events. I do college events. I got billions of views online. I can't go nowhere that people recognize me. I've had a lot of life experience. I'm married. I have children. Like, some of these people, like Nick and these other young people they hate have not come to the realization of what life is really like because they haven't gotten to becoming a mature adult. I'm not saying everybody's like, yeah, yeah.
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Interviewer
Well, it's easy to be stuck in an echo chamber these days, especially on.
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Officer Tatum
Twitter, and it's easy to be reckless. Yeah. And this is one Thing I said about Nick Fuentes versus Charlie Kirk, the wisdom you could be smart with and lack wisdom. If I had a message to get out there, I would be wise about the way I present my message. I don't cuss on my platforms. You know, I don't say a single cuss word. Nobody's. Most people that have watched me have never heard me say a cuss word. No, nobody that's been around me other than people in my PR private life will ever hear me say a cuss word. Why? Because it takes away from my message. Nobody can play my videos in the church if I'm cussing. You know what I'm saying. Nobody can let their kids listen to it if I'm saying a lot of vulgar language. So I reduce that. I don't need to implement that to get the point across. And therefore I'm more palatable so people can hear the message. It's not about being weak, it's not about capitulating. It's about being effective and getting your message out there. There's a way to present yourself. If I'm running around saying the N word all day as a white person, you're going to alienate yourself from many white people and black people. They're not going to hear you. You're not going to go on the main stage. You don't need to say the N word, do you? You know, it's a difference between trying, you know, if you had a. A group of private people that subscribe to you and you, you know, they can hear the uncut version of what you want to say. And it's different. People pay for that raw and authenticity. But when you're out in the ecosphere, in private companies, they can choose to that. You got to abide by their rules of engagement. You can't just be saying whatever you want. You can't just say the Holocaust didn't happen. You. And I'm not saying specifically said that, but I used to watch Nick Fuentes. I think people don't understand. I used to watch him. I used to look at his stuff when he was doing live or he was on platforms. He would say some of the most craziest things you ever heard. Women shouldn't have rights, the blacks, the gays. I hate gays. And you know, it's just all this stuff that's like, if you really want to be effective, say it in a way that's reasonable. Go on your own, to your own events. Once you've made a. Once you got the F, you, you Know how people got F you money when you got the F you status where you can't be canceled? Like Candace. Candace got the fu influence. Nick Fuentes is getting there, where you can say whatever you want, you'll never get canceled. Candace can say something. Charlie is to that point too. Some of these people can say something that can be outlandish. They can say something that's totally morally against what they believe, and people are still following them. It's not gonna matter, right? And I think that I've gotten to a decent point and I would say you're there. And I don't use that as an advantage because I believe in God and God is watching me. I'm not gonna play with the influence that God giving me. But I think there's been cases where I've said things that people didn't like and they still follow me. My audience still grows because they know.
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Interviewer
You'Re at least being authentic.
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Officer Tatum
That's the difference. And then I got so many people that love me that even if I do something wrong, there's a lot of people that still will stick by me. And I'm not saying that the boast, I'm just saying that's the reality. So when you look at other influencers, some people get to a point where they take advantage of that, right? Where they go, oh, everybody's my friend anyway. So I can lie about my experiences, I could cheat on my wife, I could do things that I shouldn't do, and they gonna still be my followers, which in some cases people do do it. And they have that experience. And I think people have to be very careful. So before you get to a point of securing a base of people that believe in you, you kind of gotta build your way up with some integrity and not be a fool about it, for sure. And if you do that, you're never gonna be have influence, you know, and that's. That's with anybody when it comes to influence. And I could do a whole seminar.
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Interviewer
I know you gotta catch this UFC fight, man, but it was good seeing you. I'll see you at AM Fest. Where can people find you in the meantime?
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Officer Tatum
The Officer Tatum. The Officer Tatum. On any platform, you'll find me. And Tatum Report is my new substack. So follow me on Tatum Report. Look at all the stuff that I write. I try to be concise, but yet punchy at the same time when I write my article.
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Interviewer
Awesome. Check them out, guys. Peace.
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Officer Tatum
Nice.
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Interviewer
Yeah, a lot of good clipping.
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Officer Tatum
It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.