Sean (2:38)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (2:39)

The new cool thing to do, the new way to show that you're an affluent person is actually investing in your health, having the cold plunge, the sauna in your home. So this really is the future. And I'll tell you, I was fortunate enough to travel with Charlie across these college campuses last year. And the media wants to tell us that young people are lazy, they're disenfranchised, they don't care. No, the young people actually care so much about their health. And you know what's been so amazing to witness as a female is the women, the women reclaiming agency over their health, asking about hormonal birth control. What the heck am I putting in my body? Just these. These norms that we've been told, questioning our medical institutions. I think if Covid taught us anything, it's that having blind trust in our health care system is the actual dangerous part.

Sean (3:27)

Oh, yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (3:28)

Silence is dangerous. Asking questions is actually what we should be doing. So it's like this beautiful revolution that's not only about health, but it's like the spiritual awakening that we're having.

Sean (3:40)

I could see that.

Caitlin Sinclair (3:41)

And the young people on college campuses, they're all about it. They're all in. They want answers. They're trying to make healthier decisions. They're trying to have families. They're actually asking, why is my generation more sick, anxious, more depressed, suffering from higher levels of metabolic dysfunction, autoimmune conditions, infertility than any of the previous generations? What the heck is going on? So we're finally bringing those questions to a national stage, and it's really the younger cohort of voters that cares the most, actually.

Sean (4:12)

Yeah. The infertility one scares me a lot.

Caitlin Sinclair (4:15)

It's insane.

Sean (4:15)

People in their 20s.

Caitlin Sinclair (4:17)

People in their 20s. I was having this conversation with my girlfriend last week and about how many men are having to take things like Viagra.

Sean (4:24)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (4:26)

In their young twenties. Yeah.

Sean (4:28)

Like what?

Caitlin Sinclair (4:28)

What's there? What's going on? This was not happening a decade ago. Like our parents generation was not suffering from. From these insane levels of infertility. And it sounds fringe and cliche to talk about this, but it truly is. The inflammation. Right. And I think for the first time, our generation's finally saying no. We're not just accepting these levels of chronic anxiety, depression and inflammation as, oh, that's just the norm. That's just part of getting older. Right. It's not. And I think it's amazing how social media has played A role in. In this make America healthy again space, the wellness space in general. I asked earlier in the room, I said, how many of you trust a influencer or wellness person that you follow on X or Instagram over a physician that you would go to in your local hometown? And almost everybody in the room raised their hand. There is like a plethora of information that we are getting from wellness influencers. It is such a tight knit community that people. It's people that really care. Right?

Sean (5:31)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (5:31)

These aren't politicians. It's not a right or left issue. It's good people that have most likely been through something, their own dark odyssey when it comes to health and they want to just share the information.

Sean (5:42)

Yeah. It's an interesting question because you'll see videos of Paul Saladino at the grocery store trying to help you out. You'll see him at the gym. So you kind of build this trust with him.

Caitlin Sinclair (5:50)

Right.

Sean (5:50)

He's genuinely trying to help you. Right. But you don't see your doctor making those same videos or you don't actually. A lot of doctors are unhealthy if you look at the studies there.

Caitlin Sinclair (6:00)

Yeah. And. And one of the conversations we've been having with the MAHA team that I'm a part of is it's not the doctor's fault. Right. It's. It's the system that has taught them backwards. There's no requirements for physicians to take a nutrition class. Sean, how did we get there? Like you, don't you want to go to a doctor that doesn't understand what you're putting in your body is actually affecting everything about your organs. Your inflammation, your skin, your anxiety, your infertility.

Sean (6:29)

Y.

Caitlin Sinclair (6:30)

And look at our food pyramid. How backwards is our food pyramid? Why are we not updating that? So there's. There's so many questions as to how we can tear back the system, how we can actually add firepower under these doctors that want to help. And it's not all of their fault. I come from a family of physicians. It's not their fault. This is what they've been taught. The medical schools don't provide more than a week about learning the food pyramid, even teaching about diet and nutrition and all of that and getting back to this ancestral way of living which you mentioned, Paul, earlier, someone like him as a great wellness influencer talks about all the time, getting back to whole foods and how our ancestors lived, getting out in the sun, not injecting for the women, all of this Botox every single month and caring so much about your outward appearance. And focusing on the wrong things. This movement has ways to go. But think about how much headway we've already made just from people posting things online. And now having that one disruptor, Secretary Kennedy, that's in office thanks to Donald Trump, of course, that's making some great headways with, with the farmers. He just announced $7 billion going to regenerative farming, which is the future, right? Food supply. What's. What's in our food supply? Why is all. Why are. Why are young people basically allergic to air? Everyone is gluten free, nut free, can't even step outside, right? Can't have alcohol. People are sober, curious, and we love that. But our young people can't drink anymore because they're so unhealthy that they can't handle the extra levels of inflammation that wasn't happening with our parents generation or our grandparents generation. They were like chain smoking, doing whatever they wanted. Right?

Sean (8:19)

When we were in school, maybe one kid had a peanut allergy.

Caitlin Sinclair (8:22)

Exactly.

Sean (8:23)

Like peanut butter allergy, whatever. Now people are allergic to strawberries, blueberries. Like, it's crazy.

Caitlin Sinclair (8:29)

And it's. It's so hard for the young moms. And this is what I think this movement's all about, right? I think both sides right now, the left and the right, are whining. They're like, why are the women, what happened to the women? Why didn't they show up to vote? And the answer, in my opinion, my humble opinion, is because you did not meet the women where they are right now, the young mothers where they are, which is in the kitchen, in the doctor's offices, trying to find healthy lunches for their kids, Meet them where they are, which is Maha. You want the midterms? Put Maha on the ballot and the women will deliver you midterms. This is what young moms care about. This is what the women care about. We're trying to figure out why our skin's breaking out all the time, why our hair is shedding, what's going on with our menstrual cycles, why our lives and bodies are consistently unraveling. And I don't think enough of. In these general elections, these candidates were focused on that, right? So we have this one disruptor in office, and I think there's ways to go. But a lot of these conversations are new for people. Like, people are really scared of this movement. It's overwhelming for that person that's just getting started, just figuring out, okay, I need to learn how to read labels, or let me maybe switch out my shampoo or my deodorant to a natural one or organic tampons or maybe let me look at what my kids are eating for lunch. And their school cafeterias are not necessarily the best and healthy food for my kids. So for those new folks that are just.

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Caitlin Sinclair (11:09)

Sean, getting involved or just starting to ask questions? I would say don't get overwhelmed. Just baby steps, baby information. And the good news is the information is actually online. We're not being canceled and censored like we were five years ago.

Sean (11:22)

Right.

Caitlin Sinclair (11:23)

You can kind of YouTube anything these days and get the information. Like you can actually ask ChatGPT, how do I detox from a vaccine? And you can actually get that.

Sean (11:33)

Really?

Caitlin Sinclair (11:33)

Yeah.

Sean (11:33)

Wow, that's cool. I just threw my blood work in there. Gave me a lot of good advice.

Caitlin Sinclair (11:37)

Yeah, that's great.

Sean (11:38)

Yeah, I mean obviously still run it by a, a licensed doctor too, but.

Caitlin Sinclair (11:42)

But the, the going to a physician in the old school way that, the traditional way that we're used to doing and bringing blood work, they miss everything. From someone that lived through this broken medical system, I can tell you it's so disheartening when you are trusting this institution to give you answers and instead you walk away with confusion, heartbreak and more suffering. And blood work is one of those things. For example, like your thyroid. And that's so big for the women. They are not taking into consideration the conversion of that D3. And I think it's like T3, T3 and T4. Yes. Your thyroid. T3, T4. There's a conversion there. And a traditional medical doctor is just looking at the total thyroid number and they're like, check, check. They just look at that little range. Right. They're in the range or in the range. Cholesterol is another one of those. Make butter healthy again. Right. Bring butter back.

Sean (12:42)

I love butter.

Caitlin Sinclair (12:43)

All of these fats are actually good for us. You need saturated fats. You need something like an avocado in your diet. And for so long. My family, for example, like our cholesterol is off the charts according to these doctors. They look at me like, oh my God, like you would have a heart attack. And it's like, no, you're just looking at that range. You're look, you're taking my blood work and you're just looking at a range and checking off a box and pay.

Sean (13:05)

You to a normal range, but American range range.

Caitlin Sinclair (13:07)

Yes. Unhealthy people and using something like ChatGPT, which I'm not against, or going to a holistic doctor, a naturopathic doctor, they're able to go way deeper into that. Okay, let's break this down further. Is your thyroid converting properly? And if it's not, okay, what do we need to put you on as a supplement? Is your cholesterol levels too high or are you just consuming healthy fats that are actually helping your metabolism and helping young people with something like metabolic dysfunction?

Sean (13:38)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (13:39)

So there's a lot of, I guess there's a lot of different ways to read blood work. And I think we're finally realizing the traditional style of reading blood work doesn't actually get us the information that's helpful.

Sean (13:51)

They also don't measure a lot of stuff on like regular blood work. You have to like specifically ask your insurance.

Caitlin Sinclair (13:57)

Yeah.

Sean (13:57)

To like, you have to beg your insurance companies to like get what you actually want.

Caitlin Sinclair (14:02)

It's crazy. I, at 18, I was like a freshman or sophomore in college and my body just started to unravel. I just started to fall apart from there. I was traveling the entire country to go to these world renowned institutions that we hear about all the time. Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, specialist after specialist. And my story is very similar to a lot of Americans. No answers. Medication after medication, antibiotic after antibiotic, which we know destroys your gut lining. And when that didn't work, invasive surgeries, which led to two of my organs being permanently removed. Oh, yeah. I was a full victim to our broken system, which is why I'm so passionate. My God, I was treated like a guinea pig. Not one of these specialists ever stopped to say, why is this young woman's body suddenly attacking itself? No one looked at me as a whole person. And so it was then, not only did all of this, of course, change my body and my anatomy, quite frankly, but it changed my view on the medical system, on medicine as a whole, on womenhood. Why is women's health so under researched and underfunded? Why are we pretending that women are the same as men? Why am I being treated the same way that you would treat a male? Because we're not the same. And I think that's actually part of what this movement has shown over the past few months, right. In the past year, across the wellness space. If you follow any of these podcasts, this entire national conversation, there's a term that people are using, and it's women returning to divine femininity. And what does that mean? Right. I think it means returning to how our ancestors used to live and teaching young females that strength and softness can coexist. And look at the girl boss movement that's gone to die. So divine femininity, I think, is part of making America healthy again.

Sean (16:08)

I agree.

Caitlin Sinclair (16:08)

Divine masculinity, having men return to their roles as a provider, as being that strong person, the anchor for the female to lean on. We need to return to these gender roles. I think it's really all part of the health and wellness culture and the spiritual awakening that I alluded to earlier. And I know that some of this sounds cuckoo to some of those folks that have no idea what we're talking about and they're new to this space, but it's so important. And so now when I share my story, I have hundreds of of young people coming up to me, like, this is what I'm going through. And another part of the conversation is, do you recommend I only treat myself holistically? And my answer is no, because for me, I think everyone has a gut feeling, right? You need to sit with yourself. You need to tune into those gut feelings. And what we've learned, if anything, from COVID is that there's no one size fits all approach. So holistic medicine works for a lot of people. Cancer patients, for example. Juicing works really well for them. They need to kill off those. Those poisonous cells, for lack of a better word. And Recalibrate their entire system. But for someone with Crohn's or ulcerative colitis, having raw vegetables and raw juice might not be the best thing for them. So in this space, it's easy to get lost in the information, the plethora of information and people telling you do this because this is what works for me. It doesn't work for everyone. You still have to tune into your gut and do your own research. And I'm a recovering vegan, but I don't. Shame. I don't believe in shaming when it comes to this space either, because again, there's not a one size fits all approach when it comes to health. So what works for you will not work for your boyfriend or your husband. The. The cold plunging stuff, the carnivore diet, that works really well for the men. It doesn't work that well for the women. Especially when you're trying to make babies or you're ovulating. Do not get in that cold plunge. Do not try to compete with your husband.

Sean (18:08)

Same with fasting for a woman. I heard.

Caitlin Sinclair (18:10)

Yeah, the intermittent fasting. I was doing that for a while. And so what it does is it spikes your cortisol for women. And it's really hard once your body's in that fight or flight mode, it's really hard to actually get back down to it.

Sean (18:23)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (18:24)

But again, for women, you need to be tracking your cycle. There are certain points in your cycle, like when you're menstruating or when you're ovulating that you should not be doing that. But in your follicular phase, for example, you might have more energy and you can do that. Or when you're ovulating, you actually feel like you can work out harder and you're. You're craving different food. There's just so much that goes into these things. And I think for so long, we pretended that women were men and we are all built the same and talking about our broken medical institution. Right. That's how we were treated. That's how I was treated. Like just another number and not a whole body. And it's so sad to see some of these institutions that we just blindly trust, that's how they treat you. So I think the revolution is starting and people are demanding better health and better health care and better answers and the truth. And this movement has such incredible people that are so willing and open to share the information. So I'm just happy about that.

Sean (19:25)

Absolutely. You're getting thousands of messages from women. What are the biggest health issues you're seeing from women right now.

Caitlin Sinclair (19:31)

Oh, autoimmune conditions.

Sean (19:33)

Autoimmune, autoimmune.

Caitlin Sinclair (19:34)

So autoimmune is really just your body attacking itself.

Sean (19:37)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (19:38)

Inflammation and Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, lupus. The other main question women ask me a lot is, what is your take on. I had a few girls message me from Miami last week saying, I live in Miami. There's a lot of girls down here that are getting bbls, a lot of plastic surgery, a lot of Botox filler. As a young girl, what is your advice? Or do you think that that's ever allowed? And I actually had to really think about that because, I mean, I really try to eat healthy. I'm really into health and fitness and taking care of my body, and I have to for my own health conditions. But I'm also a girl that wears makeup, and I get my nails done. And it's not. Any of. None of that is natural stuff. So I think if you're doing something because it makes you feel good and you feel like it enhances your natural beauty or however, whatever you want to embody right. Then do it if it makes you feel happy. But for some of these girls that were messaging me, Sean, it was because they felt pressured, because they felt like they had to be like other girls. And I think once a week, my boyfriend rolls his eyes, because once a week now I ask him, do I need Botox? Should I get Botox? Look at these lines. I'm on TV every day. Is this weird that I'm. I don't have Botox, and I have smile lines and forehead lines and a lot like, look at this. And I realized that when these girls were reaching out to me, wait. The fact that I have to keep asking him, should I get Botox? And the only reason I feel like I need it is because society's telling me, oh, you're almost 30. Of course you need Botox.

Sean (21:15)

All the girls have, especially in your industry.

Caitlin Sinclair (21:16)

Exactly. But no, for me, right now, that's not the right thing, because I would only be doing it because society is telling me to do it. But, you know, I've gotten filler before. I'm not going to lie. It makes me feel good about myself and my look. Like I said, I get my nails done. I wear real makeup, not that natural stuff, self tanner, all of that, because it makes me feel good. And so that's really my answer. Don't feel pressured because of the other women that you're around or whatever industry you're in or because society tells you to, because Instagram makes you feel like you have to have a filter on at all times, do what's right for you individually that makes you feel good.

Sean (21:52)

I do see that from women. I think a lot of them, especially the younger ones, their values on their, their looks and their opinion. Right. So they'll like compare themselves to the hottest girl and they're stupid or whatever.

Caitlin Sinclair (22:03)

It's really hard. And you know what? Obviously social media has been played a large role in that.

Sean (22:08)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (22:08)

And what's crazy to me for these young kids, like when you and I were younger or maybe in high school, we have maybe had Instagram, but it wasn't anything like it is now.

Sean (22:20)

Yeah.

Caitlin Sinclair (22:20)

None of this chronically living online for these young kids. I, someone said this to me recently and I was mind blown because I haven't thought about it like that. Not only do they know who like the hottest or most good looking person is in their class, they know who the hottest person is in their entire city and their entire state. Like they, the, the young guys can name you like who, who the. Because of social media. That's crazy. And so then you have a number of girls looking as whoever this like hot, the hottest girl is and they feel like they have to be exactly like them. And the Ozempic culture right now, the Kardashian filters, it's, it's really tough, it's really tough to navigate. And again, I'm not big on shaming, so I don't want to shame, you know, Ariana Grande for being extra skinny right now. If that's what works for her and that's maybe her natural body, who cares? But it's the online, the living chronically online in a highly curated world makes it really, really hard for young girls to stay true to themselves.

Sean (23:22)

Absolutely.

Caitlin Sinclair (23:22)

And I think just overall we need better role models. We need better role models for these young girls and the young men to look up to, to say, I'm going to run my own race, I'm going to beat to my own drum. And just because someone else is doing something and Ozempic and Moderna work for them doesn't mean that I'm going to feel pressured to do that to my own body to get the Botox and to adhere to that highly curated culture.

Sean (23:46)

You know, Kaylin, it's been a pleasure. I'm from Jersey, so I think we get along because of the east coast vibes. But where could people find you? I know you're launching a show next year, right?

Caitlin Sinclair (23:55)

Yes. So in the new year. It's been a long time coming. It's going to be in partnership with Newsweek, my own podcast. And so I'll love any tips from you, but everyone will be able to get it wherever they get their podcast. And you can follow me right now at Caitlin Sinclair.

Sean (24:10)

Awesome. Check her out, guys. See you next time.

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Sean (24:18)

Thank you.