Cam Higby: Why Israel's Tech Innovations Matter More Than Ever | DSH $1484

Summary

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Digital Social Hour – Episode 1484

Cam Higby: Why Israel's Tech Innovations Matter More Than Ever

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Cam Higby
Date: August 9, 2025

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Overview

In this wide-ranging conversation, Sean Kelly sits down with journalist and commentator Cam Higby at the Student Action Summit to discuss everything from political violence and challenges facing conservative journalists, to myths about Israel, America’s relationship with the country, and why Israel’s tech sector is so much more significant than commonly thought. The episode is candid, sometimes tense, and punctuated with direct insights into the realities of reporting from political hotspots and the practical benefits America gains from its ties with Israel.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cam Higby’s Assault and Modern Political Violence

• Incident in Seattle:
  • Cam details an assault he suffered covering riots undercover in Seattle—describing the circumstances, a lackluster police response, and the challenges of prosecuting politically charged violence in certain cities.
  • "Group of three guys came up...held my hands behind my back...punched me in the back of the head, kicked me in the face." (00:47, Cam Higby)
  • Assault upgraded from misdemeanor to felony only after significant effort; stagnation due to political climate and resource constraints in Seattle PD.
• Challenges for Conservative Journalists:
  • Cam explains being "the only conservative in town," noting he is openly recognized and even targeted, with his face posted throughout Seattle.
  • "There are literally posters of my face all around." (04:31, Cam Higby)
• Going Undercover:
  • Discusses needing to hide his identity to document or report safely at protests due to targeted hostility.
  • “A lot of people see it as kind of like a sketchy thing...[but] it's for, like, just as a safety thing...I just record what I see.” (09:00, Cam Higby)

2. Reflections on Media and Public Debate

• Interactions with Other Influencers:
  • Cam talks about his debates with figures like Dean Withers, calling out performative "apology videos" and the importance of standing by one’s words.
  • “Own it. Like, it’s like you’re gonna do some dumb stuff.” (11:07, Sean Kelly)
  • “I make, like, admittance videos...I don’t apologize for it… I made a mistake.” (12:24, Cam Higby)
• On Audience Capture and Intellectual Honesty:
  • Identifies some TikTok political personalities as “audience captured”; emphasizes a preference for honest disagreement over performative contrition.

3. Israel’s Strategic Importance to the U.S.

• Foreign Aid Mechanics and Military R&D:
  • U.S. aid to Israel is largely a military “stipend” that cycles money back to U.S. defense contractors, not cash directly handed to Israel.
  • “First of all, I’m a capitalist and I support government dollars going from the government to the private sector.” (17:27, Cam Higby)
  • Israel functions as a real-world testing ground for U.S. military tech, exemplified by combat validation of the F-15 vs. Russian MiGs in the 1980s, co-development of the Patriot missile, and advancements in tank defense systems.
  • “Israel is basically an R&D program for our military industrial complex.” (17:27, Cam Higby)
• Counterterrorism Collaboration:
  • Israel’s intelligence apparatus frequently thwarts attacks on U.S. assets due to deep engagement in Middle Eastern networks.
  • “They’ve stopped, like, countless terrorist attacks on US soil...they are like the primary beating post for Arab terrorism or Muslim terrorism.” (20:27, Cam Higby)

Notable Segment: Israel and American Military Tech

• 17:15–19:39:
  Cam details how Israel’s combat experience with U.S. equipment—especially the F-15 and anti-missile tech—provided the U.S. with crucial real-world feedback that improved American military readiness.

4. Israel as a Tech Powerhouse

• Startups and Innovation:
  • Israel (Tel Aviv) is ranked as the fourth global hub for startups, with American companies frequently acquiring Israeli firms and technology.
  • Key inventions from Israel now woven into daily American life include Waze (traffic navigation), Mobileye (autonomous driving tech), airport security scanners, and lane-assist systems in vehicles.
  • “Tel Aviv is the number four city in the entire world for tech startups I believe.” (21:41, Cam Higby)
• Integration of Israeli Tech:
  • Unique analysis on how Google’s map products rely on Israeli-pioneered technology, with Waze serving as the backbone for real-time traffic information in Google Maps.
  • “The geomapping technology that Google Maps has is large in part due to Waze, which was invented [in Israel].” (23:01, Cam Higby)

5. Dispelling Myths About Israel

• Diversity and Social Fabric:
  • Cam counters common depictions of Israel as a homogenous or “apartheid” nation, describing it as remarkably diverse with peaceful coexistence across ethnic, cultural, and religious lines.
  • “It is the most racially and religiously diverse country I’ve ever been to… the Arabs and the Christians, you have of every shade.” (24:07, Cam Higby)
  • Discusses Jerusalem’s quarters (Armenian, Christian, Muslim, Jewish) being non-exclusive, with communities intermixed “walking right by each other.”
• Relationship to America’s Interests:
  • Argues that U.S. support for Israel is ultimately pragmatic and mutually beneficial, especially in technology and geostrategic terms.
  • “Anywhere in the world where you can extract American interests... you should do it.” (16:09, Cam Higby)

Notable Segment: Israel’s Social Diversity

• 24:07–25:55:
  Cam offers detailed observations from his travels, directly addressing and dismantling “apartheid state” rhetoric with examples of social integration and communal overlap.

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Notable Quotes

• “Group of three guys came up...punched me in the back of the head, kicked me in the face. And, you know, we're still struggling to get...any kind of justice.”
  — Cam Higby, 00:47

• “If the prosecutor won't take the case, there is no point in arresting this person.”
  — Cam Higby, 01:36

• “I make, like, admittance videos...But I don't apologize for it...I made a mistake. This is what happened.”
  — Cam Higby, 12:27

• “Israel is basically an R&D program for our military industrial complex.”
  — Cam Higby, 17:27

• “Tel Aviv is the number four city in the entire world for tech startups I believe...New York, Los Angeles, London, Tel Aviv.”
  — Cam Higby, 21:41

• “The geomapping technology that Google Maps has is large in part due to Waze, which was invented [in Israel].”
  — Cam Higby, 23:01

• “It is the most racially and religiously diverse country I've ever been to.”
  — Cam Higby, 24:07

• “Anywhere in the world where you can extract American interests out of other places of the world, you should do it.”
  — Cam Higby, 16:09

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Other Memorable Moments

• On Being a Target:
  Posters of Cam’s face in Seattle signal the polarized nature of journalism in some U.S. cities. (04:31)
• Media Hysteria & Fearmongering:
  Discussion of exaggerated claims on social media (detentions by customs, “concentration camps”) as largely unfounded, serving mainly to stoke fear. (13:25–14:39)
• Sean’s Perspective Shift:
  By the end, Sean admits:
  “You might have changed my opinion on Israel. I'm not gonna lie. I gotta look into everything more.” (23:28)

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Timeline / Timestamps

• 00:36–03:14: Cam recounts his assault at Seattle protest and police response
• 04:23–06:44: Life as a conservative journalist in Seattle; being targeted
• 07:46–09:35: How violence impacts journalistic coverage and necessity of going undercover
• 10:48–12:23: Cam’s philosophy on public mistakes and “admittance videos”
• 15:47–19:39: Israel as an R&D lab for U.S. military and the mechanics of American aid
• 20:27–21:49: Israeli counterterror intelligence helping the U.S.
• 21:41–23:28: Israel’s tech sector and integration in American daily life (Mobileye, Waze, airport security)
• 24:07–25:56: Diversity and social fabric in Israel, debunking apartheid myths

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Conclusion

This episode offers a blend of on-the-ground political reporting, skepticism of mainstream narratives about Israel, and a deep dive into the often-overlooked benefits of U.S.-Israel relations in defense, intelligence, and everyday tech. Cam Higby connects personal anecdotes with high-level policy, making a complex subject accessible and engaging, while Sean Kelly provides curiosity and a willingness to reconsider his own views.

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Find Cam Higby on all major platforms: @camHigby

Transcript

[Cam Higby]

Large in part due to Waze, which was invented.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, Waze was a great idea to show the traffic and the time.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that's. Yeah, Waze. Right. So. And, you know, I don't. I'm not a Google Maps user.

[Sean Kelly]

But you like Apple Maps? Yeah. What? Yeah, Google Maps.

[Cam Higby]

Really? Yeah. Well, it's like what pulls up my phone when I Google.

[Sean Kelly]

All right, guys, we are at Student Action Summit. We got cam here. You ready to do this thing, man? Yeah. Sunburn.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, a little sunburn from Aruba, but let's do it.

[Sean Kelly]

What's been new with you lately, man? I know you got assaulted a few months ago.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Yeah. I was out in Seattle undercover covering the riots, and.

Group of three guys came up. I was sitting down against a half wall. It was kind of a lull in the riot, and three guys came up, pinned me up against that wall, held my hands behind my back. I was fumbling to get my pepper spray, and they just, you know, punched me in the back of the head, kicked me in the face. And, you know, we're still struggling to get. To get any kind of justice.

[Sean Kelly]

No camera footage on it?

[Cam Higby]

No, we got camera footage.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, you did?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Yeah. Prosecutors.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, so you got their names and everything?

[Cam Higby]

I have to. Their names.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow. And nothing stemmed from that?

[Cam Higby]

I mean, there's an investigation. There's a detective on the case.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

But Seattle PD can't. They're defunded by 21% in Seattle, so they can't waste city resources dealing with a situation that the prosecutor won't prosecute. You know?

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Cam Higby]

So it's like a waste, you know, if you. If. If the prosecutor won't take the case, there is no point in arresting this person. And also, so when I. When I called.

And to make the report, which I struggle for days, I couldn't get a hold of anybody. They never sent an officer to the scene after the assault. So 45 minutes I waited. My car was on the other side of the riot. Couldn't get to it. Finally, Jonathan Cho, another journalist, turning point, front line, showed up, and he gave me a ride. Cops never showed up. So I struggled to get a hold of the police department and get this report filed. Finally, I get a hold of somebody, and they tell me, listen, we don't. The prosecutor does not take cases related to protests in Seattle. So, like, they're very likely nothing will get done. Some time passes. A lot of media is reaching out to the police department, their PR department. Hey, what's going on with this, it's in the assault and homicide unit. The detective has not been assigned to the case. So my girlfriend is like, like mad at this point, calls them, hey, why has a detective not been assigned to this case? Because like at this point it's what if they show up to our house? You know, and so.

They tell her, this is a misdemeanor assault. We don't prosecute misdemeanors in Seattle. Missed it. Broadly just misdemeanors jacket. This is a felonious assault.

[Sean Kelly]

But I didn't know there was types of assault. Like misdeeds.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, it depends on the, like different factors in the assault, but so we got it upgraded to felony assault because he was using a weapon and still just, you know, it's like you have to, they have to fight with the prosecutors to actually take it as a felony.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. And so that's what happens when you're in a liberal city like that, right?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sean Kelly]

I'm sure LA would be a similar experience.

[Cam Higby]

Well, I mean, LA is a little better, I think. I think basically how everyone. So you know, if you, where do you live?

[Sean Kelly]

I'm in Vegas.

[Cam Higby]

Okay, so Vegas, maybe it's not. You don't so much get this in Vegas, but like I grew up in New York and the way everyone talks about California is like, you know, it's just, just this liberal crap hole. It's terrible. Nobody should live there. It's just, you know, terrible. Whatever. Just totally liberal. Ified.

California is actually.

If you're just as long as you're not in WeHo West Hollywood, you're fine.

Los Angeles is actually very diverse in terms of like political outlook and stuff like that. I found there's a lot of conservatives. Prager U is based there, which is where I worked there for two years. And.

Seattle on the other hand, where I live now is, is exactly how everyone else in the country describes California. So like, I mean, I guess California is probably pretty bad at Berkeley. So like we went and did some protest coverage in Berkeley and one of my friends had a gun pulled on them.

[Sean Kelly]

Geez.

[Cam Higby]

So there are parts of California that are rough.

[Sean Kelly]

But why Seattle? Why. Why you choose a work? Okay, yeah, damn sure. You're like the only conservative in town out there.

[Cam Higby]

Pretty much, yeah. There are literally posters of my face are all around.

[Sean Kelly]

No way.

[Cam Higby]

I swear to God.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, that's wild. And what led up to that incident? Was it any build up?

[Cam Higby]

Like that assault?

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, that assault.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Well, so I went to a riot at City Hall. There was a Christian worship Event. First, there was one in, like, a really famous park in Seattle that's named after, like, some gay guy who lived in Seattle. Cal Anders.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

So there was this Christian worship event there. There was a riot. A lot of people got arrested. On the antifa side, Nobody on the Christian side. There was this huge problem. The mayor was like, these are far right extremists. They literally did nothing. They were no violence, nothing. So he made it seem like all the violence came from them, which it didn't. And so they were very upset. They did a protest at city Hall. Protesting the mayor.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

So then, of course, like, the antifa folks gathered outside, and as the Christians would enter that event, they would just beat the crap out of any Christians going in. And so I met this guy there who had seen me with another local journalist, Katie Davis Court with the Post Millennial. And.

Immediately everyone knows Katie in Seattle. Yeah, because, you know, it's like, me, Jonathan Cho, and Katie were, like, the only conservative journalist in town. And so this, you know, this guy knows Katie. This guy's friends with Katie, whatever, you know, so he's. He immediately expecting me. She needed, like, a portable charger or something. I gave it to her. And so from that moment on, my cover's blood. I'm undercover. I'm dressed, you know, like a militant, and they're following me around, recording me and stuff. I'm like, dude, look, I. I'm. I don't know her. I. You know, she's just another journalist. I thought. I thought I'd help her out. You know, I've been in situations where my phone's dead, I can't get back home because I Ubered, whatever. Like. So you're telling me you don't know Katie? No, no. Like, I literally just met her today. I had no idea who she is or what she stands for. And I convinced him that I'm a socialist. I told him I'm a market socialist. And, you know, I even pulled the, like, don't laugh at me. I'm a market socialist. Because it's like, you know, for people who are, like, communists, it's like a laughable position. And he was like, really? I'm like, yeah, look, I'm on your side. I shook his hand. This guy's name is Tyler. So I. He had, like, ripped my hat off my head and stuff, and, like, kind of pushed me around a little bit. And so I, of course, like, I exposed him. I posted his name and face on. On Twitter.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

And. And so now he's DMing me on Instagram, threatens to kill me.

[Sean Kelly]

Geez.

[Cam Higby]

Says, show up to another protest. I'm going to bring my gun and kill you. Like, okay, all right. So I'm obviously still going to do my job. So he was one of the attackers.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, he wasn't the one that gave me the concussion, but he was one of the.

[Sean Kelly]

So that's premeditated.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

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[Cam Higby]

I was the one that started it too. He's the ringleader. So he goes, you know, I'm sitting up against that half wall. And he goes, hey, Cam, it's time for you to leave from across the street. And then they approach me and I was like, fuck, sorry. I don't know if I can swear.

[Sean Kelly]

No, you're good, you're good.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. I was like, there we go. Damn, that's not, you know, went down and. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Has that scared you in any way from continuing your work in the future?

[Cam Higby]

Well, I was told by the hospital that if you get hit in the head again after having a concussion, it's like a high risk of traumatic brain injury. So I was like, I haven't gone out very much since then. I went to LA last weekend maybe. Yeah. And covered riots there.

[Sean Kelly]

Dude, LA is nuts. So our boy Fabian got jumped in la. Three guys.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Like, I crazy. I don't leave backpacks in my car when I go to go to la. Like, it gets broken into instantly.

[Cam Higby]

Political violence is, like, on the rise. Bad. I covered the first round of riots there, too. And then I did 4th of July weekend in LA. And it's just. I don't know. The good thing is, like, I felt comfortable going to LA because I used to be pretty well known in la. Yeah, I still am pretty well known in la, especially, like, at ucla. And, you know, if they see me walk in, they're immediately going to target me. But when I'm undercover and I haven't lived in LA for years, you know, a year. Yeah, it's gonna be. They're not expecting me, you know what I mean? So they're not going to be, oh, where's Cam. Whereas when I live there, that's what they were.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. So you have to go undercover everywhere now.

[Cam Higby]

Pretty much.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. And it's.

[Cam Higby]

It's not a. You know, a lot of people see it as kind of like a sketchy thing, like, you know, because there was a lot of rumors after January 6th of. There's these media guys in the crowd, and they're riling stuff up and trying to start stuff. It's like. No, that's. That's not what I do. I'm a silent observer. I just record what I see.

It's for, like, just as a safety thing, because if I'm out of COVID not only is it dangerous and I'm gonna get attacked, and it would just happen countless times to me. It's also. They're just gonna stand in front of me with keffiyehs, and I'm not gonna be able to record anything, so I can't do my job.

[Sean Kelly]

Right. I mean, I saw you made a video debunking Dean Withers. Big, beautiful Bill response video that went viral.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

That's a. Interesting dude, right? Dean Withers.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Would you ever debate him?

[Cam Higby]

I have debated him.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, you have?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, okay. I gotta watch.

[Cam Higby]

It's on a TikTok Live, so it's not saved anywhere.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, got it.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, we've debated a bunch of times. I think Dean is. Is my least favorite out of. Out of the four of them. You know, the thing is, I find, like, Harry. Yeah, I can have a beer with Harry. I have had a beer with Harry. He's. I hate his politics. I hate his Tick Tock account. I hate, like, pretty much everything he says. But when you get him, like, at the dnc, we're at the bar.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

And it's like, okay. We're not, like, you know, whatever. We're just hanging out.

[Sean Kelly]

I've talked to him off camera, and he is, like, someone I'm friends with. Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

Same with Chris. I mean, Chris. I. In my opinion, Chris Maury is the most sensible out of all four of them. Yeah, for sure. Chris actually wants to, like, learn. You know what I mean? And he's very. I think he's very intellectually honest. I don't agree with anything he says. No, pretty much. But he's. He's very intellectually honest or. Or at least more intellectually honest than the rest of them. Harry, I. I think is kind of just like saying whatever they want to hear. You know what I mean?

[Sean Kelly]

He got exposed for getting paid. I mean, we know what it Is, you know.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. He says. He says whatever. Whatever the. His audience wants to hear.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

Dean is like, audience captured, Right? You know, he. He's like, become such a little baby.

[Sean Kelly]

I feel like he's making an apology video every week now for something new.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. It's like, dude, dude, just stick to your guns, man.

[Sean Kelly]

Own it.

[Cam Higby]

Like, it's like you're gonna do some. Some dumb stuff.

[Sean Kelly]

No apology video I've ever watched afterwards, I'm like, that was a great video.

[Cam Higby]

I. I've said some crazy stuff I've never made and I never will.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. Mean, just own it. I'd rather you own it and be wrong than to apologize.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

You know?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

And then the fourth kid is Parker, right?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Yeah, Parker.

[Sean Kelly]

What do you think about him?

[Cam Higby]

I mean, he's better than Dean, but it's like. Yeah, it's. For me, it's like, in terms of, like, intellectually honest, it's like, Chris.

I don't know. I can't.

[Sean Kelly]

It depends on the day, right? Yeah, I feel like it depends on the topic.

[Cam Higby]

This is like. It's like, I'd probably, like, hang out with Harry the most out of any of them.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

Harry and Chris. But, like, Harry is not intellectually honest. Sorry.

[Sean Kelly]

I mean, it is what it is, right?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

So, like, on the apology video thing, it's like when I'm. When I say something that's wrong and it's happened, it happens to everybody who's in commentary. You're gonna say something that's wrong, you're gonna make a mistake, you're not gonna do enough research, you're gonna get debunked or whatever you. Happens to everybody. There's not really any escaping it, you know, even with even Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro used to have, like, a live page of all of the times he said, like, incorrect.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, wow.

[Cam Higby]

Like, so.

I make a. I make, like, admit. I think, like, admittance videos, right? Where I say, like, yep. Okay, so I said this. It was incorrect. You know, I analyzed this study improperly. Whatever.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, that's respect.

[Cam Higby]

But. But I don't apologize for it. You know, I mean, I'm not. Oh, I'm so sorry that I hurt your feelings, guys.

[Sean Kelly]

No, you made an honest mistake.

[Cam Higby]

I was like, I made a mistake. This is what happened. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

You also debated Jackson Hinkle.

[Cam Higby]

He's.

[Sean Kelly]

He can't come to the country anymore, by the way.

[Cam Higby]

What? Yeah, to America.

[Sean Kelly]

I don't think he can, bro.

[Cam Higby]

Really?

[Sean Kelly]

I mean, he's gone so far down the rabbit hole. Who knows?

[Cam Higby]

He got. Wow.

[Sean Kelly]

No, it's not official, but he's just in a whole nother world.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, I. Did he say that or somebody else said that?

[Sean Kelly]

No, I don't think he. I don't think anyone said it. Yeah, that's public. Yeah, I might have to.

[Cam Higby]

He's. I mean, the thing I see with Jackson all the time is like. He's like, if I go to Israel, they're gonna kill me. It's like, dude, they're not gonna kill you because you went to Israel. Right. It's like, if you're not in this other thing, too. I've seen a lot of people on Tick Tock right now.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

Saying things like, I got, you know, I'm being detained at. At U. S. Customs right now. It's like, I flew here to Tampa from Aruba. Half the people on my flight were brown.

Customs. Do you have any meat on you? No. Did you buy anything in Aruba over a thousand dollars? Nope. All right. Don't even look at your passport. If you got detained at US Customs, you're either doing something illegal or you were trying to get detained.

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Cam Higby]

They're not just going to detain you for no reason.

[Sean Kelly]

Who's that streamer that said he got detained on the left?

[Cam Higby]

Citizen? Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Hassan Abi.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. It's like you're trying to get detained. It's. If you. If you are an American citizen and you have a US Passport, most of the time they're not going to look at your passport.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

They're going to ask you, like, a very simple same thing. When I went to Spain. They're going to ask you a very simple round of questions. Usually it's to. Did you buy anything over $1,000? Sometimes. Do you have more than $10,000 cash on you and do you have any, like, food or meat? No. Okay, cool.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, that was a big deal for a few weeks. I don't know if people are still talking about that issue, but all that. I remember, people were freaking out, saying they're going to start deporting people.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. We'll see what happens. I think it was fear mongering. There's so much fear mongering.

[Cam Higby]

Tons of it.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I see right through it.

[Cam Higby]

Alligator. Alcatraz concentration camp.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

They're trying to bring back the real Alcatraz too, right?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, yeah, right. Expensive project.

[Sean Kelly]

You were just on Tim Pool and Myron Gaines was super chatting saying you were. You weren't intelligent.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, yeah. Myron Gaines was super chatting a couple. I was on Tim Pool Tim, I.

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[Cam Higby]

Thank you, cast. And he was. We were talking about Israel, and I think I was talking about the benefits of America's relationship with Israel, and he was saying he didn't have any counter. He just paid to have Tim read a super chat that's. That basically said I was an idiot. And I was like. And I look. I just looked right at the camera. I was like, dude, debate me. Like, just debate me. That. And that was right before my debate with Phil Turney, who is a USS Liberty survivor. And of course, that's something that Myron likes to talk about. The USS Liberty, which is a ship that Israel sank. And there's a big controversy over whether or not the sinking of that ship was intentional or if it was accident. An accident? Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. So you're. You're pro Israel, basically?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, yeah, I'm pro Israel.

[Sean Kelly]

Do you think we need them to, like. Do you think it's a net positive?

[Cam Higby]

I guess, yeah, it's a net positive.

[Sean Kelly]

You think so?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, I don't think. I think you kind of started off like, do we need that? I don't think we need them, but I think anywhere in the world where you can extract American interests out of other places of the world, you should do it.

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Cam Higby]

Right. If it's going to benefit America, you should absolutely extract American interest from that place. And it's not. You know, it sounds kind of bad because it seems transactional, but, like, in my eyes, I think that's the best way to convey it to people who are very much. I think. I think everyone kind of views it as transactional. You know, it's like, what do we get out of it? You know, it's our taxpayers, taxpayer dollars, whatever. We shouldn't be spending money on this. I think Israel is in the moral right of pretty much every conflict that they've ever been in, with the exception of, like, maybe the Suez crisis. But everything else, it's like, Israel doesn't start the wars, they finish the wars. Their neighbors are always aggressing on them. And. Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

So with all the foreign aid we're sending them, like, do you think we're getting that back in value?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Yeah. So first of all, like, Israel, one of the biggest ways, actually, probably one of the few ways that we give aid to Israel is by basically giving them a stipend.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

For their military budget. So we say the money never goes to Israel. So we say okay, you have a budget of this much money, whether it's, you know, 3 billion or whatever.

We will buy the weapons. Just tell us what you want. We'll buy the weapons from our defense contractors and send them to you. So Israel basically like has to buy American made jets so they'll, they'll order all these jets or whatever. And so a big thing is like, okay, so first of all, I'm a capitalist and I support government dollars going from the government to the private sector. So you already have that right now. So the government says, here's your money, we're going to give it to the defense contractors. Okay, perfect. It's back in the market. Awesome. So there's a positive right there. The next thing is like our jet programs. Israel is basically an R D program for our military industrial complex. So in the 80s they flew, we didn't know how height of the Cold War. Right. We didn't know how our F15s would hold up to like the Russian Migs. But who happened to be flying Russian Migs? Well, every Arab country surrounding Israel. So we gave them our F minus 15s. Previously they were flying like desalt French Mirage and mysterious jets. And so we give them our F15s and they first of all, first thing they did was went to Iraq and they bombed Saddam Hussein's nuclear facility.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

And they destroyed it. And that's a long flight. So we now know that our F15s, American F15s can do long range bombing missions. We also know that they can fight MIGs because they fought MIGs in Iraq and they didn't lose a single F15. The next year they go and fly F15s against Syria. Syria. I think Syria. 80 rush. Russian MIGs didn't lose a single F15.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Cam Higby]

Down to all the MIGs. So we know that our F15s work super well now against the, the Russian MIGs. We know that they're puny in comparison to our F15s. So if anything were to happen between the United States and Russia, Russia is pretty much SOL on the, on their MiG program. So that, that goes for pretty much every piece of military equipment we have. We co developed the Patriot missile. Um, they were the first to test like trophy systems on the backs of tanks. That's going to deflect like rocket propelled grenades and other explosives, stuff like that.

I'm trying to think what else, what else they tested. You get into like.

Like counterterrorism. So there, there have been, and I used, I used to be able to name you like every time that they've, that they've done this but it's just not at the top of my mind right now. So they've stopped like countless.

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[Sean Kelly]

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[Cam Higby]

Terrorist attacks on US soil.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, Israel.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. So, so because they're so our, our. The main people are going to do terrorism against us are like Arabs in the Middle east, you know, and so they have their feelers all over the Middle east because they're there and they are like the primary beating post for Arab terrorism or Muslim terrorism.

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Cam Higby]

So they have their feelers everywhere and so when they get a credible threat against an American target they say hey, you know you're about to be attacked.

[Sean Kelly]

I didn't know they did that for us.

[Cam Higby]

Oh, all the time. Yeah. We've had embassies all over the place in the Middle east and in Europe that have been under threat of attack and we had no idea until Israel called up and said hey. And there was, I think there was one in Europe where our diplomatic staff was there on some kind of mission and I think they actually stopped it themselves or they, they coordinated with the European intelligence kind of to like not send us into a panic. I'm sure they let us know but. And they stopped that too. There's a lot of it, especially like through the Obama years, you know, when it was really heightened terrorism. So they knew that. They also like a lot of economic benefits. So Tel Aviv is the number.

Four city in the entire world for tech startups I believe. So I think it's, I think it's.

[Sean Kelly]

New or for.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, yeah. So. Well not. Sorry not to just tech startups for like all startups.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay.

[Cam Higby]

So it's like, it's like New York, Los Angeles, London is Tel Aviv.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Cam Higby]

And so.

What happens is we basically go in to Tel Aviv or to Israel and our companies just buy their companies and then we acquire or license the technology that they've created. So like the, the Lidos machines and airports, you step into them and they like do this, I'm pretty sure those were made in Israel. Mobileye, which is the technology that intel bought from Israel or from an Israeli company that powers Teslas self driving. You know, if you have a car with lane assist in it. Israeli technology.

Ways. Oh, that, yeah, yeah. So they made ways and a lot of people think, okay, like way sucks, right? It's like, okay, no, go figure, it's made in Israel. But in reality, Waze was made a long time ago and Google bought it a long time ago and they just integrated ways into their Google Maps. Oh. And then kind of left Waze behind. So like the, the, the geomapping technology that Google Maps has is large in part due to Waze, which was invented.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, Waze was a great idea to show the traffic and the time that it adds.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And that's. Yeah, Waze. Right. So. And you know, I don't. I'm not a Google Maps user, but.

[Sean Kelly]

I, I'm a Google Maps. You like Apple Maps?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

What? Yeah, Google Maps, bro. Really?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah. Well, it's like what pulls up my phone when I Google, I guess, but.

[Sean Kelly]

Like Google Maps shows you the time difference. Like, does Apple Maps factor in the traffic and everything?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, they do now.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, they do. Oh yeah.

[Cam Higby]

You mean like the red and yellows? Yeah, yeah, they do that.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay, well, dude, you might have changed my opinion on Israel. I'm not gonna lie. I gotta look into everything more.

[Cam Higby]

There's so like they have these two massive oil fields off of the coast of Israel and in Israeli waters, the Tamar and Leviathan oil fields. And they basically, there's a, there's a Dallas based company called Noble and they just said, all right, like, come on in. And they let us explore that oil field and harvest it. And then we sold it to the Arab countries. And so that, that helped with American Arab relations because we harvested all that oil and sold it to the Arabs. And so it's just, I don't, I think it's a great relationship.

Israel is not this like racist apartheid country that everybody makes it out to be. You go to Israel. It is the most racially and religiously diverse country I've ever been to. And the Arabs and the Christians, you know, you have. Of every shade. No, you got brown, you got like black, actually, really black.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

Ethiopia.

[Sean Kelly]

Wow.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, yeah. There's a huge program. They move Ethiopia from Ethiopia to Israel.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay.

[Cam Higby]

And so there's you, you have black, brown, little tan, white. Right. And then you've got, you've got black Muslims, brown Muslims, tan Muslims, and like, basically white Muslims, you got Christians, same deal.

[Sean Kelly]

Right.

[Cam Higby]

And they're all just intermingling all over.

[Sean Kelly]

The place, and they all get along.

[Cam Higby]

I mean, I'm sure that there are some tensions.

But then it's not like, you know, they're not brawling in the street. They're walking right by each other. Sometimes they're talking the. The Candace Owens talks about this, even though she's been corrected on it, and she continues to lie. I went to Israel and there's the Jewish court or the. The Muslim quarters. She says quarters like a prison. You know, you got your quarters. It's. They're four quarters. Like four make a dollar of a city. So you got the quarter, the Armenian quarter, the Christian quarter, and the Muslim quarter. And they are not racially exclusive to each other. These, these quarters of the city, Old Jerusalem, predate the. The country of Israel. They've been around forever. So.

It'S In Old Jerusalem.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

And so you. You go to the quarter and there's a Muslim break bakery in the quarter of Jerusalem. In the Christian quarter, there's a mosque. In the Muslim quarter, there's a. I think there's a church. Right. So it's like, it's not racially exclusive anywhere. You'll have Muslims in hijab walking around quarter with a. In the center of the quarter, there's like a giant menorah.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

So, you know, they'll be walking right by that. Sometimes you'll get. You'll get a. Walking through the. The Muslim quarter. And the houses are pretty, like, spread out to. Our tour guide described it basically. Like, if you want to know, if it's house, it'll have like a brick roof. If it's a Muslim house, it'll have like a dome.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, wow. That makes sense. Yeah. We'll end off with this. Since you brought up Candace Owens.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah.

[Sean Kelly]

I know you're probably not the biggest Nick Fuentes fan either, but.

[Cam Higby]

What.

[Sean Kelly]

Did you see their interview yet?

[Cam Higby]

I haven't.

[Sean Kelly]

Okay. I saw a clip she attacked him the whole time.

[Cam Higby]

Really?

[Sean Kelly]

What do you think of that?

[Cam Higby]

I did see clips of her.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah. I was surprised.

[Cam Higby]

I think I'd have to watch the full interview to. To get a pulse on it.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

But I did see a clip of her kind of going after him, and it was surprising to me. She might be trying to recover her optics a little bit, maybe.

[Sean Kelly]

Y. Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

I don't know. I think Candace is a grifter. I think that there's a very. I think there's a lot of money to be made on people who have fallen down the Nick Fontes rabbit hole, who have become pretty anti Semitic, who don't have a voice other than Nick, which I think is sad.

[Sean Kelly]

And I would say Nick's the biggest. But Jake Shields has a pretty big voice.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, well, I mean, at least Nick is smart to some degree. You know Jake, I think his morning routine is probably, like, bashing his head off a brick wall. So maybe, like, eating a bowl of nails and then, like, I'll try to.

[Sean Kelly]

Set up a debate with you and Jake one day.

[Cam Higby]

I. Jake will not debate.

[Sean Kelly]

He films at the same studio's main thing.

[Cam Higby]

I. I DM Jake all the time asking him to debate me. He will not debate me.

[Sean Kelly]

He won't debate you. Myron won't debate you. Zarian probably wouldn't.

[Cam Higby]

No, none of these, you know, none of these people who are, like, below average intelligence will debate me. It's like, I. I can't believe Jackson agreed to debate me. And I think Jackson debated me because I had, like, this panic attack on Fox News and I look like a. Like an idiot.

[Sean Kelly]

Oh, you did?

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, Yeah, I had, like, a total, like, mental breakdown of Fox News where, like, I chugged, like, four cups of coffee and I kind of like, I'd never.

[Sean Kelly]

That would get my heart racing.

[Cam Higby]

Yeah, I was, like, unfamiliar territory because I was, like, in the bureau in la. Yeah. And usually when I do hits, I do them from my studio. So it's like, unfamiliar territory. It's kind of like a weird time in my life. Been on Fox a bunch since then, so it's like, um, you know, I'm totally fine, but I kind of had this panic attack and Jackson had found it. Nobody saw. Wasn't really anywhere. Jackson found it. When he looked me up, I started, like, tweeting at him and he posted it. It went super viral. Now everyone's seen it. So I think he thought I was just an idiot.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah.

[Cam Higby]

And I thought he thought it was going to be an easy layup for him.

[Sean Kelly]

I could see that.

[Cam Higby]

And then it was, you know.

[Sean Kelly]

Yeah, I got to watch that debate. But, dude, thanks for coming on. Where could people find you?

[Cam Higby]

You find me on every platform at Camp Higby. It might be the cam. Higby. YouTube.

[Sean Kelly]

It's.

[Cam Higby]

Can't make be. Instagram. Can't make be.

[Sean Kelly]

Check them out, guys. See you next time. Peace.