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Can Humans Really Communicate With the Dead?... | Susan Slaughter | DSH #2046
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What happens when paranormal research, witchcraft, and modern technology collide? In this Digital Social Hour episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Susan the Dragon Witch to discuss séances, Ouija boards, psychic intuition, haunted locations, witchcraft, spiritualism, paranormal investigations, ghost hunting technology, AI, and the unexplained phenomena she has documented around the world. Susan explains why famous haunted locations may change over time, how investigators can influence the energy of a space, and why skepticism and belief should exist side by side. She also breaks down how Catholic rituals overlap with practices often labeled as witchcraft. The conversation moves into haunted hotels, underground tunnels, Native American burial grounds, witch-trial dungeons, abandoned prisons, full-bodied apparitions, mysterious fire orbs, and why real paranormal evidence is much harder to capture than online videos suggest. Susan also shares why she believes AI could help solve mys...
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A
All right, guys, here at Conscious Life Expo with Susan right before her seance tonight, got her for a little podcast. Thanks for coming.
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B
Thank you for having me.
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A
Absolutely. How's the event been so far? You've been doing a seance every night?
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B
I have a seance every night that goes about two and a half hours.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's intense.
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B
It flies by, though.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah, time flies when you're getting weird.
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A
Two and a half hours.
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B
Yeah. So tonight's the last seance at Conscious Life Expo and I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, it's a. It's the only event that's not on the main floor. With everything else, it's at the top floor of the Hilton.
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A
Oh, really? Yeah, I might have to pop in there.
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B
I think you should.
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A
I've never actually been to a seance or seen one, so it'd be a new thing for me.
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B
Well, I would love to have you.
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A
What goes down at a seance for people that don't know?
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B
Well, I mean, I like to use all of the typical tools, like a Ouija board. I also love to use scrying boards, pendulums, dowsing rods. I teach people how to utilize these types of tools to access their psychic selves and to communicate with the other side.
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C
Wow.
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B
A lot of the time people think that you could only connect with ghosts, but. Or spirit. But we get a lot of like, ETs, non human entities. It's really interesting, especially here at this conference. A lot of people are really open to their, I guess, Starseed lineages. So we get a lot of interesting types that come through.
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A
Wow. Now I really want to go.
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B
Yeah, it's really fun.
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A
So people are just using Ouija boards and using tools and devices and channeling.
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B
That's how it starts, but it's not how it ends.
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A
Okay.
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B
Yeah. I don't want to give away too much.
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A
Okay.
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B
But it is. I take them through, I guess, the Victorian era of spiritualism and then I move them into the modern era of spiritualism and I show them some other tools that I use to trans channel. My background's in paranormal research and investigation, so I do have like K2 meters and I have like spirit boxes at my seance as well. So I use a lot of those tools at the event.
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A
Yeah. You've investigated over 100 locations in 40 different countries.
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B
Yeah, it's even more countries now.
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A
Wow. That's a lot of places.
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B
Yeah. Traveling is a passion of mine. You know, I had the opportunity when I first started on Ghost Hunters Academy. That was like A reality series that I had to compete for a spot on Ghost Hunters. And they basically asked me, do you want to join the local team or do you want to join the international team? And I was like, send me a bra. You know, a lot of people would have. People are like, why didn't you want to investigate with like the local team? I guess because it had more famous characters where I was like, you don't understand. Like, I get to travel and see the world with this other team, even though they're newer and I guess less famous at that point. But the locations we investigated on that team were just some of the most mind boggling places, like Incan and Mayan temples, like tunnels dug by the Knights Templars under the Danube River. Like, you know, it's cool. Yeah, you're gonna go and investigate, you know, the same houses and asylums in the US But I really wanted to see some international locations.
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C
Locations.
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A
I think you made the right choice because those places have been kind of
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B
investigated a lot over and over, honestly.
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A
Yeah, I see them on YouTubers now.
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B
You know, the thing with that is like those locations now I don't even feel like are haunted by the original spirits that made it popular. You know, you have so many people going there and changing the energy of the space and the whole. Even the story lines start to change. And then, you know, the energy output from the investigators that go in there, they don't realize they're kind of like morphing and shifting and creating basically egregores in these locations.
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A
That's what I wonder. Because like places like Pennhurst, for example, they've been visited by thousands of people now is it still the same spirits haunting it?
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B
I don't think so. I think what it is is like these chimera type of energies now. You know, you have what was probably once a patient and then it just gets morphed and morphed and morphed and morphed by the more energies that go in there. And it's just like, it's like taking a, you know, this cup of water and then you just keep dropping ink in it and it just shifts the whole like alchemy of the water in general. And that's what these locations are now. And so when people go there and they're like, oh, this place feels like heavy or it's like there's demons and all of this stuff. It's like. I won't necessarily call it demons, but it's all of our negative energy attachments we brought over there. And it's just been, like, growing and growing. It festers, it snowballs.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, into egregores.
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A
When I talk to a lot of ghost hunters, they actually prefer not famous locations. Yeah, they prefer, like, untouched spots.
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B
Yeah. I mean, to be honest, I miss the. The house call. You know, I miss dealing with, like, the. The people that have their own, you know, personal haunts. Now I get sent to historical locations, and the only time I get to do a house call is if it's a friend of mine that says, hey, Susan, something weird's going on. Can you come with your gear?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And that's the only time I ever get to really do, like, that type of investigation anymore.
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A
That makes sense.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Was there ever a place where you felt like you couldn't handle it? It was just too much going on.
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C
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A
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B
I mean, I always handle it. Even if there is too much going on. I. I try it. It gets overwhelming, but I don't allow myself to be intimid those energies. I feel like those are the opportunities for me to learn more, you know, and to understand those types of energies. So I. I always put myself in it. I'm. I'm staying in the seance suite. You know, like, people like, how can you stay there? After that, I was like, I don't know. Like, I still. I open my energy up to it. I don't fear these other intelligent energies around me. I feel like I could learn from them, they could learn from. From me. So I. I've always, like, even though they can be pretty intense, felt like I have a symbiotic relationship with these energies.
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A
Wow. Yeah. Because a lot of people do fear these. Whatever you want to call it.
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B
They can be scary. But I think it's the. The. The. The fear comes from the unknown, and that's why I take the time to understand them.
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A
Yeah. Have you ever brought A non believer with you on one of these hunts and changed their whole perspective, you know,
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B
to be a non believer is a choice. I adamantly believe that because I've brought skeptics out with me on so many different occasions. They've experienced things. They're like, whoa, that was so amazing. That was so crazy. I've never experienced anything like that. And they're still back to being a skeptic right after. It's almost like they gaslight themselves after the experience, you know? And so I do believe it's a choice to be a skeptic, just like it's a choice to be a believer. I think it's good to sit in the middle of those two worlds. I think that's the healthy thing to do, you know, don't believe everything you see. But don't, you know, poo poo everything you see or don't see.
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A
Yeah. Because there's people on the other end too, that just believe every little noise.
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B
Correct. You have to have, like a way to decipher between that noise and just kind of pick the parts that make the most sense to you.
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A
Yeah. Because when you are alone in a old house, there's going to be some noises. Correct. Freaking and stuff.
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B
I still do that to myself all the time as someone who's experienced all sorts of entities. Like, I'll hear something strange at night. I'm like, that's just rats in the wall.
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A
Rationalize it.
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B
You know, I'm always still doing that too.
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A
Yeah. I think having the witchcraft, you know, gives you sort of a unique take on this because a lot of ghost hunters don't have that in their. Their bag, you know. Witchcraft.
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B
Yeah, witchcraft is like a. A way of practicing my spirituality. There's a lot of little emblems and tools that I use to, like, guide me or protect me, what I do. Yeah. Witchcraft is an interesting word. I feel like witchcraft exists in everything, even in religion. Like, you know, I was raised Catholic. I went to church, I did Sunday school, you know, and I still can go and sit in church on Sunday and see witchcraft and what they're doing.
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A
Really.
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B
You know what I mean? Like, I mean, the body and blood of Christ, drinking the wine, eating the Eucharist. Like, all of that to me is witchcraft. You know, they use that big ball of, like, incense, you know, in the room to like, clear the energy. Like, I utilize a lot of the same tools in my arsenal as a witch, and I learned that from Catholicism, you know what I mean? So.
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A
So it's everywhere.
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B
It is everywhere. So Witchcraft is an interesting term, how it could be demonized when you call yourself a witch, but if you're a priest, you don't get demonized.
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A
You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, religions kind of demonize witchcraft, right?
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B
Yeah. I think it's. They want to hold the power to certain people and institutions that if people discover that they have God within themselves or the power within, then it starts to crumble. That dynamic of control that these religious institutions have.
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A
Yeah. Also psychics, they've really painted in a bad light.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But that's an psychic perspective, I think, is really natural to the human being. You know, we just get taught away from it.
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A
It's really your intuition, right?
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B
Absolutely. We do all have that sixth sense, our bodies even. Like when you go to a haunted location, when your. The skin stands up on the back of your neck, when you start feeling like eyes in the back of your head, like, that's your psychic perception. You. You know, and, you know, we talk ourselves out of our intuition all the time.
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A
Yeah. You done any investigations in Vegas? That's where I'm based.
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B
Yes.
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A
Hotels, Right?
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B
The Apache, which is in old Vegas. Yes. I worked with the elite Vegas Paranormal Society there. That's where I met the guys from Ghost Adventures. You know, they've done events there, too. So. Yeah, it's. That's an interesting one because you have a little bit of this, like. Well, you have a lot of Native American energy there. And then you also have a lot of, like, sketchy mob kind of energy there.
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A
A lot of famous people have died there, too.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Tupac died there, I think. Did. Marilyn Monroe. Someone else big. I forget who.
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B
A lot of the places I've investigated had a lot of, like, cursed energy just being built on sacred Native American grounds. And then kind of perversed with the whole idea of, like, Sin City. People are going there and, like, with really strong energy, you know, winning and losing it all, highs and lows emotionally. People doing, like, lots of substances, people dying, overdosing, people getting murdered. Back in the day, I think, like, it was like the Bugsy era, Mob days.
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A
Yeah. A lot of movies about that.
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B
So there's a lot of that. Some people are saying a lot of these casinos were built on top of mob burial grounds. I don't know if this is true. Rumors, but, you know, if that's true. That energy is really dark. And that. That energy. There's a whole strain from Vegas all the way here, even to, like, the mountains in California, Lake Arrowhead here in Los Angeles. There's Underground tunnels under Sunset Plays, going from the Viper Room to the Comedy Store, you know, and that's all like smuggling zones. You know, they smuggled booze during the prohibition era. Drugs and bodies.
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A
Now they're doing children.
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B
I know.
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A
Yeah. That's a whole nother rabbit hole, but yeah. Have you done any work in the tunnels? Like investigating any tunnels, underground stuff?
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B
Not here in the United States, but when I was in Serbia, I investigated these underground tunnels that went underneath the Danube river that were built by the nightstand Templars.
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A
Under the river?
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B
Yes.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yes.
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A
So it must have been really strong to not have the water cave in on it.
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B
It was not that strong. Some people have actually been trapped in those tunnels and died because they would collapse. And it was so sketchy when I was there because I remember very clearly the night before our investigation under those underground, in those tunnels, there was an earthquake.
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A
Jeez.
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B
That shook the whole hotel. I was sleeping and I was like, guys, do you think this is safe? Like, should we be going in these tunnels right now? And you would see like water leaking or seeping in through the sides of these tunnels from the Danube River. So, yeah, it was super sketchy.
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A
Was that one of the most dangerous ones you've done, you'd say?
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B
I think that could have inherently been very dangerous. I mean, I've been repelled into places.
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A
Repelled?
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B
Yes. I think the most dangerous investigation I did was in Belize when I went spelunking underground in like a wet cave. Miles and miles and miles. I spent like 48 hours in pitch black darkness.
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A
Holy crap.
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B
And that was, I think, the. I think the sketchiest because we kind of got caught in there because the. If there's a heavy rain up the way the. The river rises, so there's no way to like kind of go back out of the cave. You just have to wait for the water to drink.
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A
Wow. And that's what happened.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's scary. I've seen so many videos of people going scuba diving into a cave and then they can't get out.
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B
Yeah. And you run out of oxygen. Yeah, yeah. We didn't have any oxygen tanks, so we're just like staying in these air pockets in between.
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A
Holy crap.
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B
Yeah, but it was amazing. I mean, we went and looked at a 3,000 year old body that was there. It was just a skeleton. The skeletal remains of a human sacrifice. And her bones were covered in crystals. Really absolutely tragic and beautiful to see, but yeah, it was really amazing.
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A
Wow. Did the skeleton look like a human would now or.
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B
Very small? It's you know, like, I think earlier, humans, or the humans that are indigenous to that area were just, like, smaller bodied than us, you know? And so, yeah, you just saw this really small skeleton, and it was a girl, and they call her the Crystal Maiden. The. The tunnel systems I'm talking about. Or the. The ATM caves. Or the. How do we say, the Actun Tunicil Muknal caves in Belize. Really amazing. Not for the faint of heart.
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A
Yeah. Why'd they put crystals on her body? Was there a specific?
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B
No, they grew crystals out of her.
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A
What?
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B
Yeah, she started growing crystals. You ever had those, like, little science kits where you could grow crystals? Yeah, it was like that.
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A
So they could grow out of bones. Wow.
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B
Yeah. The calcium created these crystals out of her, and she's just like. She looks like she's got covered in fuzzy crystals.
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A
That makes sense.
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B
So beautiful.
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A
That is crazy. Do you have a lot of crystals?
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B
I do like crystals.
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A
Yeah. I like crystals, too.
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B
I'm a crystal girly. I can't help it.
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A
Yeah, I know. Certain people just have them for looks. Certain people believe they do have powers.
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B
They do. What are your favorite crystals?
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A
I like selenite, Obsidian. What's my birth crystal of February? I think it's amethyst or. No, emerald.
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B
Emeralds. The May, because that's Emerald's May.
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A
What's February? Could be amethyst. I'm not sure. I have a lot. I lose track of the names because some of them are you.
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B
You named a lot of really psychic crystals. I mean, amethyst. Obsidian is one of my favorite, too. It's volcanic glass. I mean, it's been used by, like, the Mayans. They were the. They would polish it so that it would be a black mirror. And it would do, like, gazing and scrying.
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A
Yeah, I've heard of scrying.
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B
Yeah. Through the black mirrors that were polished obsidian stones or the glass. I do love obsidian for that reason.
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A
I have one in my backpack.
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B
You usually get an obsidian mirror. Those things are pretty dope. I went to Mexico City to the. The Calle de los Muertos, which is in the Tio Tehuacan pyramids. And I remember trying to source so hard, like, a real obsidian mirror. And I kept going to everybody, all of the vendors there. And I was like, let me know where I could find one. Finally, someone's like, you're looking for an obsidian mirror. Meet me here tomorrow. And I was like, but I want a big one. And so I got like, it's like this big. I've never seen one as big. As the one that I have, but that guy hooked it up, so. And I use it when we're ever getting, like, solar. Like a solar eclipse. You can look through the obsidian glass and watch the solar eclipse without it bothering your eyes.
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A
Whoa. It's that powerful.
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B
Yes.
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A
Wow. Obsidian mirror.
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B
Yes.
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A
That's on my. My bucket list now, I guess.
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B
Yeah. Get one and look at some solar eclipses. Yeah, there's. There's some here.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
Yeah, I saw some.
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A
Do you do a lot of work with eclipses?
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B
Like, ceremonies and I. I do observe the phases, but I don't necessarily. Like, I. I mean, I have. I'm more of a lunar witch, so I do a lot of, like, new moon and full moon stuff.
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A
Got it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Lunar witch. I don't know the types of witches.
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C
Could you.
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B
I don't even know if that's a type of witch.
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A
Okay.
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B
I mean, I. I think every witch is an embodiment of different little elements.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, I could say, oh, I'm a crystal witch. I'm a lunar witch. I'm a necromancer. You know, like, there's all these different types of things, or I think that we're all little. We have different elements to us.
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A
I do know about the dark magic stuff and then the counter to that, but have you dealt with the dark magic?
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B
I work in dark magic, but I think that there's a misunderstanding of what that means. Like, I work with dark energy.
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A
Right.
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B
I think that I can access a lot of the. The information I get from the spirit world or the psychic world exists in the dark energy world. So if you look at a electromagnetic map, right. You just see, like, this line, and then you have the ultraviolet spectrum and the infrared spectrum. If you go beyond the infrared spectrum, you start getting into dark energy. And when we use, like, the spirit box, that's radio frequency, which starts to get closer to the infrared energy, like microwave energy, long wave energy. You go beyond that. That's where you start getting into, like, the psychic field, I think.
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A
Okay.
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B
So I think when we start listening to stuff, static and hear the voices in the radio, you know, like. Like the. The disembodied voices of spirit. It's on that field. So dark energy is where I believe I access my psychic self.
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A
Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for explaining that. Because when I. When I previously thought of it, it was like dark energy, like curses and African curses and all that stuff.
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B
Yeah, I mean, that's. I mean, I think that you can access things there too. You know, that type of stuff. It's just. How do you use your dark energy, like, for what is your purpose? So I think that it all exists on the same realm. It's just how you want to use it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, you can use a microwave to warm up your food or to kill a kitten.
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A
Right. It's just the.
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B
I know. That's a dark perspective. You know what I'm saying?
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A
Yeah. It's just a vehicle. It's how you use it.
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B
Yes.
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A
Right. Evil eye is something I've dealt with. I'm sure you've dealt with having a following. How do you navigate that?
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B
I ignore it.
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A
You could just ignore it.
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B
I. I try to. I mean, I honestly, I feel like I just. You gotta deflect it. If you give it the. Your attention, you feed that. So, I mean. Yeah, the evil eye is real. People are always gonna want, which it usually comes from. Envy.
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A
Yeah. I have to do a cleanse every three months. Well, it's crazy.
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B
You have a lot of people. To be honest, I was a little. I almost canceled this. And I'm not b. Has anything to do with you, but, like, when I saw, like, the outreach that you had.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I was like, as a woman and, you know, I. I've had, like. Even with the little amount of followers I have, I only have, like, what? 20.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Thousand. I have to deal with a lot of creeps in that space, you know, And I was like. And I did really good without it, letting it, like, infiltrate my field. But then when I saw your amount of followers, it's like, oh, like, there's gonna be a lot of people that I'm gonna be exposing myself to if they see me through your lens.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's amplified. Yeah, it is amplified. So I think that's a really. It's something that you deal with. I understand.
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A
Yeah. Because I have on polarizing topics, too. We touch on politics and the health system and all sorts of controversial stuff, so.
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B
So you have a whole gamut of people are really passionate about certain subjects.
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A
Very.
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B
And they're coming on strong.
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C
Strong.
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B
Because you have a lot of strong opinions on your sight.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Even the spirituality stuff people get mad about.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Well, it challenges religion, so everyone gets
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B
pissed off before they get, you know, spoken to.
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A
Yeah. But, yeah, the evil eye, I've been navigating it with crystals, with cleansing. I doing. I do an egg cleanse, and sometimes you can see the evil eye in the yolk. Yeah, it's not bad.
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B
That's very Latino.
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A
Yeah. My wife is Latina.
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B
Where is she from?
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A
So she's indigenous American, but her family is from Bolivia and Paraguay.
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B
Okay. South America.
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A
You do any work over there?
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B
I've done investigations in Argentina. I've done investigations in Peru.
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A
Nice.
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B
My mom's from Nicaragua.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
So I am Hispanic as well. I'm half Latina. And I've experienced a lot of witchcraft in Nicaragua. I was also born in Miami. We have tons of brua out there, lots of sanos. You know, we have a huge Cuban and Puerto Rican culture. We also have a huge Haitian culture. So we do have a lot of voodoo in Miami. I was exposed to a lot of that type of craft at a really young age.
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A
That's when I think of dark magic voodoo. I forgot to mention that.
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B
Yeah, but voodoo is. It's funny because it. It is a melting of western African belief systems and Catholicism or, like, a sainthood. And so the orishas are essentially different types of saints. And just like in Catholicism, you'd print pray to a certain saint. You have these orishas in voodoo, and they all have their own powers. And so, I mean, how dark is it if you're, like, you know, praying on, like, Archangel, St. Michael or St. Peter or whoever, and then you're going to antagonize, you know, praying towards, like, Oshun or Alagba or something like that. You know, it's kind of a concept where it's like a different lens you're looking through for the same kind of perspective. So that's how I see it.
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A
What about the voodoo dolls?
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B
I mean, you can take energy from people and you can transfer energy anywhere. You can't. You cannot create nor destroy, but you can. You know, just like we put energy in batteries and use it to, like, charge up our lights and our microphones. You could take, like, energy. It could be a person's energy, and you could put it in an object like a doll.
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A
Wow. So that's real.
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B
I do believe that's real. Absolutely.
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A
Holy crap.
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B
Yeah, I've seen haunted dolls. I've seen voodoo dolls. But the thing is, everybody also thinks, like, voodoo dolls don't always have to be used for bad practices. They could also be loved on and doted on for, like, good purposes.
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A
Interesting. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, I've seen a couple haunted dolls, too. Those freak me out. Yeah, there's one at Zach Baggins Museum.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Glass container. It's that haunted.
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B
Like, I've seen the. The. The Annabelle doll, the Raggedy Ann doll.
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A
Oh, yeah, Someone else had. Someone else owns that now. Matt Rife.
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B
Yes. Yeah. He took over the whole museum.
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A
Yeah. Do you think that doll stole super haunted or.
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B
I don't believe that every doll that's claimed to be haunted is. But I do think that there, even if it wasn't haunted initially, has become because of all of the projections of it being haunted. So I don't necessarily think that maybe it's haunted with the same type of energy it was with haunted with initially. I think that that whole was a lot of fear based energy around the doll, where now that doll has now personified that fear based energy. So again, it's like where you put your fear, it grows and then you. You embody it in a physical object. It. It will be like a. An output of that energy.
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A
Right.
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B
So it's no surprise to me that when you take something like that on tour, bad things start to happen.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, but I don't think it's a specific spirit spirit. You know, I think it's an amalgamation of negative energy that's been put on an object.
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A
Yeah. Do you dabble with haunted objects? Do you collect those?
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B
I don't collect them. Yeah.
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A
I know some investigators like to take a little something from.
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B
I was gifted a giant quartz from the original foundation of the farmhouse known as the Conjuring house.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
And I think that's the only artifact that I have, but it was gifted to me.
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A
Me. Okay.
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B
And it wasn't something that I just took as a thing. I was just really. I felt that the original foundation of that house had so much charged energy that was very. I think. I think it was more geographically charged, not so much haunted. And so that quartz. Because I'm a crystal girly.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I was like, no wonder this house held so much energy. The foundation is literally built on chunks of quartz. Quartz. And when I pointed that out to the Heinzen family that owned the house initially, I pulled out the quartz from the. The base and I was like, look what's in the wall. Like things this size. And I started pointing them all out. And I was like, this is a energy generator. And there's a water well in the center of that. And water is a conduit for energy as well. So I do think the land itself, the reason why it's so charged and holds on to all the things that happen is because. Because geographically it is a generator.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I was like, what do you. I was like, this is cool. And. And she was like, oh, that's. I was like, this is. Course this is amazing. She's like, you want it? I was like, yes.
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A
Yeah. You spent 72 hours there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Conjuring house.
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B
Did you met. Did you meet Christine Augustine? She's like the curly red hair. She coordinates all.
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A
Yes, yes.
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B
I met her with her.
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A
Oh, she was there.
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B
She's a producer on the Dark Zone with me.
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C
Wow.
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B
And she. So we have our own content that we do.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That's why I'm here.
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A
Yeah. Thank you, Christine.
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B
Yeah, She's. She's a great uniter of people.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Me and her, we ended up spending the night there during a nor' Easter in the Conjuring house. That's like a massive storm, a wind storm. That happens. Like, it was, you know, over in the. The northeast.
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A
Yeah. So that probably didn't help your.
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B
It was scary. A massive pine tree fell right through the, like, missing the house. And our production truck.
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A
Wow.
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B
It went right in between. I was like, this could have been really bad. But, yeah, we ended up. We were there with the Perrin family, so we spent a lot of time there. Like, five days.
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A
Oh, five days.
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B
Yeah. I mean, I spent. I mean, we were there filming for five days. I spent the night in that house for two nights. And then the other. I was like, oh, let me just sleep in the production bus. Me and Christine both slept on the production bus together because we were like, the energy in here is getting a little intense, especially after we brought the parent family back.
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A
Yeah. Because they would have entered your dreams at that point if you're sleeping in there.
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B
I just couldn't sleep. And I was like, I have so much to do. Like, I need to get some shut eye. I was like. Like, you're expecting. I'm in investigation mode if I'm in that house. So I was not sleeping.
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A
Yeah, you need to be locked in. You can't be tired. Was that the toughest place to ever sleep in on your investigations?
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B
No, surprisingly, I was investigating. Investigating Retchel Castle in Poland, and they had me sleep in the dungeons there. It saw the death of, like, 700 witches.
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A
What.
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B
Or women. It was basically the. The, like in the 1600s, there was a huge witch hunt.
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A
Okay.
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B
And they persecuted 700 women. They kept them in that dungeon.
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A
That could have been you in a past life.
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B
That's what I said. You know? And so I slept in the dungeon overnight, and it's just basically a dirt pit and with, like, cages alongside the walls. Yeah. I think that was the toughest place to sleep in. One of the most calming places I have ever slept, which is a really unusual spot. I was investigating the galleries of justice, which Is an old PR and judge house in Nottingham. And one of their. I guess one of their punishments is to throw people in the oubliette, which is a massive, giant pit in the ground. And oubliette in French means to forget. So adulterers or children that stole, they wouldn't have basically the guts to murder, kill them themselves. So they would just throw them in the oublia and let them starve to death or die or eat each other or whatever.
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A
Jeez.
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B
Pretty dark, right?
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A
But how deep did it like?
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B
It's at least five stories deep.
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A
Holy crap.
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B
And it. And it. And it. Tunnels like this, so you can't climb out.
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A
How do they survive?
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B
So it. Bottlenecks. And then you're talking about, where did you get repelled? I had to get repelled down into that.
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A
Oh, okay.
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B
Yeah. And then I. And it was the most quiet place I've ever been in my life. Didn't smell bad or it's just dirt, you know, so it smells like you're in a cave or a dirt pit.
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A
Yeah. I guess the bodies by now have been decomposed.
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B
Oh, well, they have been totally cleaned out. And no one's been in there for I don't know how long. And all of a sudden, they put the newbie. I was like, my first investigation with ghost hunters International. They're like, let's try to scare her and put her in the. And I was like, ooh, nap time. It was so quiet, and I was so dense in there that even the production walkie that I had didn't get any service. So I was like, just come and check on me every hour. And I. You lose sense of time. Time in there. I was meditating in there. I Like, I fell asleep. I didn't realize it because it's so quiet and so dark that you almost lose a sense of self in there.
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A
That would freak me out.
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B
The quietness, it was okay. I was like, this is really relaxing.
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A
Have you seen the most quietest room in the world? No. Yeah. The longest someone's lasted in there, I think, is 11 minutes. Because you start hearing the blood in your body, you start hearing your organs. It just freaks people out.
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B
I wonder if the oubliette is just as quiet.
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A
It might be if it's closed off. It could be.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Is it pretty?
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B
I think I can handle the quietest room.
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A
We have to get you in there to break the world record then.
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B
Come on. For real. I'm in. Make it happen. I'll go 20 minutes. I'll go an Hour.
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A
An hour?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You don't get freaked out by the sounds of your body or.
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B
No.
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A
Really?
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B
No. I'm gonna tune in.
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A
When I have heart palpitations, I get anxiety.
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B
I have heart palpitations.
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A
Yeah. That doesn't freak you out though?
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B
I mean, whatever. If I die, I've lived a full life.
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A
Yeah. You've done a lot in this life. You've done a lot. Anywhere you want to investigate next? I mean, you've been everywhere at this point.
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B
But I would love. I guess I would really love to go back out and. And investigate abroad again. You know, it's a. Not cheap to do so.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Gear, for instance, has evolved so much since I was actively investigating abroad. I would love to use new equipment out in the field. So those are things that I kind of miss. I've never been to, like, I've never been to Antarctica.
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A
I don't think you'll be allowed there.
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B
Well, there was a science base there that I was gonna go and investigate if we got picked up for another season.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
So I felt like that was something that went through. I wanted to go to Mongolia. I wanted to go to. To Africa. Anywhere in Africa. I would really love to go to Gabon. I would love to go. You know, I would love to go and visit Egypt. I did Egypt, but like as more of a tour for myself to like, learn about like Muslim culture. But yeah, it was just. Yeah, I'd go back there. I want to investigate the Alexandrian crips, you know.
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A
Yeah, there's a lot in Egypt.
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B
Yeah.
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A
How is. You said the equipment evolved so. Because I know there's people try to talk to the spirits.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What level is it at now?
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B
Well, to be honest, I'm. It's not so much when I'm doing investigations is. Yeah. Part of communicating with the spirits is, you know, part of the investigation. But there's nothing like capturing evidence on camera, you know, and even audio gets a little sketchy. A lot of people need to see to believe.
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A
Right.
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B
And so our camera equipment has gone so much more evolved since then, you know. So I would love. I have these ideas of how I would triple mount different types of cameras. And you know, I. I just. I kind of turn into a gearhead when I'm in the field and it's nice to step away from my psychic self and just like enjoy the process of investigating and running video line and.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, and it's like hunting, but you know, you're getting. Or hunting images and anomalies and, you know, things. Things like that. So I haven't done that in a while because I have been kind of catapulted in towards spiritualism. And that to me is more personal, obviously. But I do miss going out in the field and investigating abroad. And I still do it, but now on my own dime. And that's expensive.
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A
Oh, yeah. Just the flights and the hotels and, you know, the equipment you're talking about is probably tens of thousands.
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B
Oh, just singular cameras, like 20 GS. And I have ideas to triple mount cameras. So just one mount is going to be like $60,000. So if anybody wants to sponsor my scientific endeavors, please let me know.
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A
We got to get you a pair of the meta glasses.
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B
Yeah. I wonder how would that work in the field?
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A
Probably not as good as a 20K camera, but it might give an alternative perspective. Right?
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B
Yeah, it's. It's good to have that in the field because it gives a very good pov, at least when you like. I think it's good for control purposes. You know, I'm a fan of static cameras. Like, I like cameras to stay and record. I don't like moving things around.
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A
Yeah, that's when it gets complicated.
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B
Well, you miss a lot that way and you get a lot of false positives. With me, that's another thing with these, you know, investigators on YouTube. They're shooting themselves more than the environment. And I'm just like, this is not a real investigation. This is urban exploration at best.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I do kind of grit my teeth at that because I am a science based investigator and that's how I started in the field. And even though I did move into spiritualism, it's like everything that they capture, I'm like, that's a lens flare. That audio is your jacket rubbing on the microphone. Like, I just get so, you know,
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A
and that's where the culture is now with ghost hunts. I feel like it's all those moments, those spook moments that they're aiming for.
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B
The thing is that you don't get things all the time. I mean, out of 10 investigations, I probably got one or two real clips.
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C
Wow.
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B
Of like, you know, and I'm spending like 48 hours at a location. So you do the math. 10 investigations, 48 hours each. I'm probably getting like one blip of audio and one blip of visuals.
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A
That's crazy.
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B
That's legitimate.
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A
Wow.
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B
You know, so when people are going to locations and they're like, oh, I caught a ghost and everything's a demon, and like this full bodied apparition, I'm just with AI being so good and like, it's getting harder and harder to have like, like legitimate paranormal research out there.
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A
What was the most compelling video or photo evidence you have?
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B
Oh, gosh. We got a full bodied apparition. It was, it was caught like with the laser grid, which was so cool. We were investigating El Coyotepe fortress in Nicaragua and that. We got a full bodied apparition with like the. The whole uniform and everything.
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A
Wow.
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B
When I was investigating a Lopino plantation in Trinidad, the most insane orb I've ever seen. Especially because it related to stories from hundreds of years ago. They were talking about this, I guess, vampire kind of witch. And when we think vampire, we think blood sucking, but it's energy sucking.
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A
Right.
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B
Because that's what they were talking. And they call her the Sokonya. And she would appear as a fireball and then she would take on different forms. And we caught the fireball. And that was so crazy to like, you know something when you hear that. It's lore, it's folklore even, you know, like a lot of the time I'm like, we're probably gonna get, you know, EVPs of the slaves from the plantation, you know, or the dark past that was there. No, we got the crazy folklorish light. And it was insane that we capture it was with a static camera. It was pointing towards the tree where they used to, you know, hang people from. And all of a sudden we see. What caught my eye with the footage was that everything that was in the tree at night flew out and ran out. All the squirrels started running off the tree. All the birds went, holy crap. And so that's what catches your eye. You're like, whoa. Everything just left the tree. And then you start seeing what looks like light on the inside of the tree, illuminating the leaves. And then all of a sudden you kind of follow this light and then it leaves from the top of the tree and it's a basketball size orb of firelight.
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A
Jeez.
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B
And it just. And it doesn't just. It's. I'm watching this footage for like 20, 30 seconds. It's not a blip moment. It is a for sure long clip.
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A
Yeah. Because usually orbs are in and out.
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B
It moves so slowly up and out of the tree till it finally left the frame. And that was probably one of the coolest things we captured, is that even
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A
in orb at that point. Because that's like a full on, you
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B
know, what is it? Because depending who you talk to at this event, you know, feel like, oh, those are UAPs those are UFOs. It's an orb. What is it? And it's again, I think us looking at the same type of phenomena but through different lenses. That makes sense, you know, so it's, what is it? And you know what, I'm, I'm the type of person, everybody comes to me like, what do you think it is? What is, what is the fact on that nobody knows. You know, like what we're doing is just, you know, discovering these things, experiencing these things. And we don't have the science yet to like grab these things, recreate these things. So I'm okay with not knowing factually what it is. I just know it exists. You know, I feel like when I'm dead it will all come to me. Maybe I'll have like this massive cosmic download when I'm like not in this meat body. And then I'll figure out what all of this means. But for now, I don't think we're supposed to figure out what it means. I think that's not part of the human experience.
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A
You're just documenting it for maybe future generations to see it. Yeah, who knows, maybe we'll have the tech down the road.
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B
That's what I think. I mean, we just discovered how to harness light and bulbs that we could turn on and off. That was what, 120 years ago? We did that. In the grand scheme of humanity, we barely have harnessed anything, you know, I mean, even the most grandiose things that we've harnessed, you know, nuclear energy, microwave energy, you know, that's not even the tip of the iceberg of the type of energy we have here in the cosmos, on this planet.
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A
Yeah. Who knows where we'll be in another 120 years? Right, with AI.
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B
Oh my gosh, AI is going to solve a lot of our problems for us. I mean, I feel like there's like, there's going to be a huge quantum leap in the things that we can harness and discover through AI. You know, the human brain doesn't have like the, our mental capacity, you know, is not gonna solve like a hundred year old problems or 100 year long problems is what I mean. When you have like these complex mathematics to like even start scratching at the surface of things, like these computers are gonna do it for us. So AI is an extension of the human mind and intelligence. Where our body fails us, AI is going to plug in the holes of our consciousness and intelligence for sure.
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A
Are you using it pretty daily?
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B
I don't use it at all.
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A
Oh, you don't? Oh But I am positively about it.
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B
I, I know people hate it. People hate that. I see positive. I just think it's a, the evolution of consciousness. I mean, there are going to be quantum leaps because of it. And you know, I am a little bit of a chaos agent where I'm like, I want to see what happens. You know, like, I'm rooting for AI a little bit. You know, I don't think, I mean, it is an extension of ourselves.
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A
Yeah, I think it's, it's inevitable. You're not stopping it at this point. It's already everywhere. Well, this was great. What's the next project for you? Where can people keep up with you?
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B
Well, I just wrapped season nine of Paranormal Caught on Camera. That's on Travel Channel or hbo Max. And yeah, I'm, I'm taking a little bit of a break after all of this. You know, I, I shot non stop for like four or five months. Then I had conscious life expo. So I'm just taking a moment. And then I think while I'm taking a moment, the new season of Paranormal Caught on Camera is going to roll out. I do have a couple of other little irons in the fire that I can't really talk about yet. So.
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A
Stay tuned.
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B
Stay tuned.
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A
Exactly. We'll link the show video. Thanks for coming on.
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B
Yeah. And you could follow me Susan the dragon Witch on Instagram.
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A
What a name. Susan the dragon witch. Check her out, guys. Peace.
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C
Thanks for watching to the end, guys. Please comment below your thoughts on the
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episode if you agree.
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C
If you disagree, I'd love to hear it. I read every single comment. Means a lot to me.
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A
Thank you so much.