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Can We Actually Reverse Aging? | Dr. Christopher Shade | DSH #2026
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What if the biggest threat to your health isn't what you're eating... but the world you're living in? We're surrounded by toxins, screens, stress, processed food, mold, chemicals, and constant stimulation. Most people think feeling tired, anxious, inflamed, or unhealthy is normal. Chris Shade doesn't. In this episode of Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly sits down with Chris Shade, founder and CEO of Quicksilver Scientific, to discuss detoxification, peptides, mold exposure, mental health, longevity, psychedelics, organic food, nervous system health, and why modern life may be pushing our biology in the wrong direction. Chris explains how toxins move through the body, why detoxification is often misunderstood, and how technologies like liposomal delivery systems are changing the way supplements and peptides are absorbed. He breaks down glutathione, heavy metals, inflammation, mold toxicity, cold plunges, infrared saunas, and the future of longevity science. CHAPTERS 0:00 The Tox...
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they're doing real violent things. It's like they're just screwing with the brain chemistry in the wrong way. Like I said, there's some things, you know, that they're okay at, some things you shouldn't be doing that. I know. We're not taught to think anymore. And that was the big shifting in education away from colleges being places of thought and thinking and learning how to think. And now they're just technical schools where you're just memorizing stuff, going up the chain and then doing what you do.
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All right, guys, last but not least at the event Today, we got Dr. Chris Shade from Quicksilver Scientific. All these lovely products. Here are his company. Thanks for coming on, man.
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Happy to be here, man. Thank you.
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We got a wide array of stuff right there.
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Oh, we do, yeah. We got the whole set of peptides, some liver detox, new fish oil, NAD supplements.
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Nice oral peptides, aren't it?
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Yeah, oral. I mean, that's a real. That's the real change and real breakthrough. And you know, how do you get oral stuff into the body when it's a peptide and you're like, wow, the stomach's gonna break it down. And that's what we've been doing since, you know, 2010, 2012, is how do you get stuff in that normally wouldn't get in? And so glutathione, which is like the original functional medicine, tripeptide, it's small three amino acid peptide. How do you get that in? And so we got into the technology of liposomal delivery. And there you take the molecule you want to deliver and you wrap it in, you know, people say a fat shell, but it's a phosphatidylcholine shell. It's the same thing your cell membranes are made out of. And when you make those small enough, they'll start absorbing right through the buccal cavity, right through the oral cavity into the capillaries. And anything you swallow, it's just absorbing everywhere in the stomach and the upper GI. So it all gets in in about 20 minutes. And it just cheats the normal way where you would break things down and find transporters or passive fusion form. And so, yeah, I mean, that was a breakthrough for glutathione. So why not apply it to all these great peptides? And. And that's what we did. And it's been fantastically successful. So we just don't have to be injecting all the time, don't have to be worrying about sourcing contamination. Endotoxin, you know, is your needle clean, right. Having 50 holes in you every day.
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Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of weird gray marker peptides and junky holes, right?
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Yeah. I mean, you know, there's some real good stuff out there, but a lot of gray market stuff. There's just, you know, sort of a race to the bottom to get some cheaper stuff out there over the web. And you don't know, you know, how it's measuring coming in. You know, these aren't made under a CGMP facility where you've got to measure everything coming in. You got to measure potency on everything going out. And you've just got a lot of transparency around everything. Yeah, yeah.
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The supplement industry is a wild west, right?
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Well, yeah. I mean, the peptide industry is the wild, wild west. And then the supplement industry, you know, it can be wild west. It was like, just when I thought, wow, it's really pretty tight now because I work in professional supplements, you know, making them for doctors. And you got, you know, thorn and designs for health and pure encapsulation. Everybody's in there doing a super solid job. And then these guys put out this ad, you know, sort of like making fun of our liposomal glutathione and saying, some liposomal glutathions are cute. Ours really absorbs. So we bought it just to check it out, and there was nothing in it. There was supposedly a liposome. There's no phospholipids in there. There's no glutathione. There's supposed to be CoQ10 and PQQ. Those are deep orange and deep red. It was just water with, like, a slight color to it. Maybe it had the B vitamin one. We're having it analyzed now, but I'm like, oh, man, it is still the wild west because, you know, I look up who it is. Marketing guy.
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Yeah. And nothing will happen to them, probably, right? No, no.
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They'll get up and they'll sell and, you know, the market against people like us and be a little bit cheaper and act like, you know, they're an alternative to us and they'll sell for a while till somebody goes after them. They'll just disappear.
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That really happens when someone goes after them. All right.
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Nothing.
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You have to get to a certain revenue level.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, they don't even look at those small companies. And so it would be like FTC would go after them for making claims about stuff or mislabeling stuff or not having stuff in there. But they, you know, they're not going after these Small dogs, they don't have enough time.
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Yeah, that makes sense. You got a detox there, too, right? The box?
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Yeah. I mean, that's original. Was a detox company. So Quicksilver and Quicksilver Scientific. That's the old word for mercury. It means liquid Mercury. And my PhD was in environmental mercury chemistry. And I designed a bunch of analytical techniques around that for separating out, like, the mercury from your amalgams versus fish. And started with that. And then I realized that how people were doing the metal detox was kind of barbaric and archaic, and they were using these old pharmaceutical chelators. And so I started looking at, like, how's the body supposed to be doing this? Because it was sort of like, oh, you know, mercury just showed up on this planet, and it goes in your body, and it never goes out until we put these chelators in. And it's like, no. You know, we've evolved with metals and, you know, in our environment, and we have a way of getting rid of them. And it's the glutathione system. It's the detoxification system. It moves it. You know, we'll take mercury in a cell, conjugate it to glutathione, move it into the blood, move it from there into the liver, move it out through the liver into the bile and into the GI or some goes through the kidneys, and you could just feed that process. You know, get the glutathione in there, upregulate the enzymes that move things out of the tissues, get the liver up and running. And, you know, one of the basics there is getting bile flow, because people are like, well, the liver metabolizes everything. What does it do, Turn it to carbon dioxide and water? No, it's a metal. It dumps it out with the bile. The toxin transporters and bile transporters, the same thing. So you got to get that moving. And these are things like traditional bitters. You know, like, we put Angostura bitters in our whiskey. And Angostura was made by a surgeon in the army to take care of a platoon of his troops. He's like, what's the one thing? Or I could take care of the most people? And it stimulates digestion, detoxification, keeps the liver moving. So you get all this stuff going, and then when it gets down to the gi, you get binders in there to make sure you don't reabsorb it, because a lot of stuff go out of your liver to your GI, go back in, like methylmercury from fish, 95% of it goes back in.
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Geez.
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So when you do a system like this and you've got this liposome and nano emulsion delivery, you know, everything goes in at about 20 minutes. So you initiate this cascade, cascade of toxin movement from tissues to blood to liver and dumping out through the bile. And then you come in a half hour after you take all these liquids, you take your liver sauce, kidney support, glutathione. Half hour later, you put in the binders. And this binder blends called Ultrabinder, has a bunch of different binders. You've got activated carbon, you've got zeolite, you've got a specific metal binder. It was the first product I made called intestinal metal detox. And some chitosan, some, some gums for the gi and you catch it all. So that's why it's called push catch liver detox. Push everything out into the gut, bind it all up. And it just works so well and so fast. And you know, these theories on mobilization and binding have been around for a long time. But you're taking these capsules and some are absorbing in an hour, hour and a half, some are four hours, five hours. When do you take your binder? But if you get all the molecules in at once, make that movement, you know exactly when to come in and pick up the trash. And you tie up that little cycle of detox. And you can do that once a day, twice a day, three times a day, you do half dose to start, go to a full, you can do a double, a triple. And that's really deep detoxification. And you know, when I first got into doing this, you know, I'd go into like anti aging shows like A4M and you know, I thought I was just a guy taking out the trash, you know, and you're helping people who've been like, you know, critically toxic from mercury or mold or lead, and you think you're just getting them back on their feet. And then all the research over the last two decades looking at toxins, slowing down cellular metabolic processes, their fundamental role in accelerating aging. In fact, you know, in some of the papers they refer to the toxins as gerontogens, things that are gen, you know, stimulating the aging process. And so getting those out is super key to having real robust, clear health and great longevity. So, so it's just been a lot of fun doing this.
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And you can stack the binders with the red light sauna too, right? With what red light sauna?
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So I do we Say push, push catch. So what's in the middle? You got 30 minutes. So push sauna catch. I got a red light infrared sauna right next to my bed. So yeah, so I just down the liquids pop in there, you know, 15, 30 minutes. You take the binder, you know at the appropriate time and that is just spectacular because you're moving all these toxins out. You're also having some mitochondrial stimulation these. There's a target we're going after called NRF2 that moves a detox but it's co regulated with AMPK which is the thing that you're stimulating when you water fast or you know carb restrict go into keto and all these molecules that are stimulating digestion are also stimulating, stimulating metabolic wellness. And then you get the red light on top.
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And that's stimulating mitochondria. It's also releasing heat shock proteins. And you know you want it like you feel kind of crappy and foggy and you get in there and you do this just push sonic catch and you feel so much clearer. You know people just be like oh yeah, I moved all the toxins out. Well you did move them in but you turned up the mitochondria. You made more efficient metabolism. And these heat shock proteins go in and really rescue adrenal function, brain function. They're a key part of the aging process. And you know one of the interesting things is you know we're all into adaptogens, you know, and your ginsenosides and with analyze from ashwagandha astragalosides, well those actually stimulate heat shock proteins too. That's one of their mechanisms. And the other super cool thing about adaptogens is their core structure. Chemical Structure is the same as your steroid hormones. And it's these, you know, three, six member rings and a five member ring. And one of the other reasons they work so well on you is they work with hormone receptors and stimulate the hormone receptors to be more receptive to the hormones. They kind of just lubricate that whole hormone system.
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System. Interesting. For the heat shock proteins to activate, is there a specific temperature you heat up the sauna to?
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Well, you want to get your body to about 102 degrees.
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102, okay.
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Yeah, about 102.
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That's less than I thought.
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Yeah, yeah. No, it's not like you get. I mean, well, 106, you can start having brain damage, so you don't want to go much higher than that.
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Well, some people heat their sauna up to like 200, 220.
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Oh, yeah. But it's in the body. You got to get to 100.
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Got it.
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And so the hotties sauna is the faster you get there. But if you get it too hot, you know, you can like overheat the outside. You know, now people are using hats on in the sauna because they're worried about, we said, the brain problem. So if we can get the inner temperature up but, you know, not fry the brain, then you're good. And there's, you know, different ways. You know, in mine, I have clear light sauna, and that's, you know, infrared. Far, near, far in middle infrared. And then I put a red light IR pad in there. I just screwed it in. And so I'm sitting on the pad and that's heating me up, and sauna's heating me, and I'll spray in there to humidify it. You know, I did a little work, seeing how long it took me to, you know, get to 102 and, you know, about 15 minutes.
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Okay. You got the ice pack for the testicles too?
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I probably should. It's a good, good point you bring up there.
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Well, Brian Johnson's been doing a lot of research in that department.
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Oh, wow, that's fun. Yeah, I mean, that would definitely be a thing, you know, but I like to, you know, jump in an ice bath afterward too. Yeah, every day. I'll do the sauna a little more often.
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Yeah, yeah. I need to get a cold plunger. I got the sauna, but yeah, yeah, my.
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My buddy from Virginia, Scott Dolly, moved in. He's just like a ice bath warrior. And he's like, do it. I'm like, all right. You know, we just got the old tub and ice in there. And like, it didn't, you know, I'd done it before, but it didn't at first. It's like freezing. It didn't take long before I was doing long. Yeah, long runs in there. And I feel a noticeable difference. Oh, that feels so good after a while. So clear.
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Okay, I'll definitely go.
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Yeah. Now he was saying there's like a 2 or 300% increase in serotonin and dopamine afterwards. I'm like, God, I feel freaking great after this.
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That's insane.
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Yeah.
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You can't even get that from your phone.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's just a double me machine. But 200 increase is not big.
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Yeah. And it's healthy. It's good. And, you know, it's just hitting so many, so many different processes and the mitochondria just wind right up from that.
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Nice. So do you believe we've achieved the point of reverse aging yet?
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Yeah, but I think we're super close. You know, like, one person will put this, this, and that together and do it. Another person won't. We don't know exactly, like, how often to do stem cells, exosomes. Exactly. Which peptide for which person. And so, so that's really what's going to happen over the next five, 10 years is dialing in the precision of it. And then these guys, I was just reading an article for Stanford, and they're finding the genes they got to turn on to reset the processes in the cell to a younger level. So I think all the stuff we're doing here is really good at stopping it. And for some people who have accelerated aging, bringing it back. But I think where we're going is a lot more powerful.
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Yeah, I think with AI, they'll help a lot. Right.
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Yeah.
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Audit all the data and see what's working for the masses. But it does seem like everyone's a bit different. There's not like a one step.
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Yeah, and that's, that's the thing, you know, and that's, you know, a lot of the peptides that we did, you know, pretty universal ones, you know, copper, GHK. Well, everybody needs that. BPC, KPV, TB500. You know, these are peptides your body makes. And, you know, putting more in, you know, is pretty universally helpful. Maybe we don't know the exact, you know, rotation of them and how long on how long off, but these are solid ones. And then thymulin and epitalin, you know, that all the work that was done on those in Russia is just pretty incontrovertible. And so that's. I, I like our line because it doesn't have to be super specific. Yeah.
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Can appeal to as many people as possible.
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Yeah, it's pretty universal.
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Do you trust the organic label? Because now. Did you see what happened with Driscolls, the strawberries?
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No. Oh, Driscolls was trying to say they were.
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Well, they, they say they're organic. Yeah. But now there's new studies showing that there's tons of stuff on them. Pesticides and weird things.
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Yeah, well, I mean, strawberries, was it
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all the berries or they have non organic, but they have a bunch of organic fruit too.
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Yeah. You know, and one of the problems is, you know, right here is your non organic and over here is your organic. Is what's called spray drift. It's just. And you know, a lot of these are grown in California in the Great Valley, and there's just spray drift all over the place. Or you, you decide, all right, these are going to be organic and the soil is just filled with all kinds of junk. I was an organic farmer a long time ago, before there was even USDA organic. I was NOFA certified in like 92, 93.
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I didn't know it was around that.
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Yeah. And that was Northeast Organic Farming Association. And you had to. Things had to be out of any conventional use for at least three years. It might have been five. And then it wasn't just, oh, now I'm going to use the chicken instead of the chemical fertilizer. You had to prove that you were really growing a soil ecosystem. So we talk about microbiome. Real organic farming is real microbiome terrain management. And to get NOFA certified, you had to show you were doing all that. You were putting the right amount of carbon in, you're doing the composting. And I remember, I remember this, this guy at a conference saying, you think it's going to be a great day when you can go into McDonald's and get your organic hamburger, but that's not going to be a great day. He said, what's coming is they're going to lower the standards for organic. So you're not, you're just substituting out this chemical fertilizer for something pretty similar. Like chicken manure is pretty similar. Very high in nitrogen, phosphorus and, and potassium and very low in carbon. So you're not getting the substrate in there to, to feed the soil. So indeed, that's what happened. We went from these smaller, these smaller certification groups that were really hardcore into USDA organic, where it just really scrubbed, scrubbed the requirements so it was so much easier to have an organic food, right?
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Yeah, it's a shame because I love fruit and vegetables, but now I can't even trust it.
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Yeah, I mean, I was kind of shocked the last few years going into the store and like, here's the conventional blueberries and here's the organic blueberries and they look the same or they're huge. And they, I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that.
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They're also spraying the vegetables with something. These grocery stores. Have you seen that mist?
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Well, I mean that's just, I thought that was just water because they got
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drying out, but they're still. There's been some investigations into that.
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Oh, geez.
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Yeah, so now I'm just like, what do I do?
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Yeah, I mean, as you go to the farmers market, I guess so you get a CSA share and you know, community supported agriculture and you go pick it up from the organic farm, you know. Yeah, that's pretty much the more we do that. That's, you know, that's better for us as a community, it's better for the earth and it's better for us as bodies, you know, and just, you know, have the stores have your basics there. And I mean, it's good. The awareness has come with, you know, demanding organic and all organic and the availability. Now, if you're a real stickler for perfect. Is that the stuff? Maybe not. But at least, you know, the, the good part is that it's in the national conversation.
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Yeah.
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And it's in the awareness and the demand for it is there. And so if they hear that it's getting cheated, you know, people are going to be pissed off because they're paying a lot more money for that. And you know, I remember being asked questions, I went and when I was working for Rodale Institute organic farming research place, you know, I went to Epcot center and give talks down there and someone was like, you know, is, are we cheapening stuff? And I'm like, we're bringing it to more people.
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Right.
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You know, they'll always be the highest end stuff.
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Stuff.
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If you want to learn more, check out the light systems online and see what they're building.
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And you know, people talking about the deepest ecology of agriculture. But you know, if you're all, you know, the real purists are all over here and the rest of the world's over there, you're not doing anything for the world. And so you've got to bring that conversation along. And the, the, the lead end of it is going to be a little diluted, but it's going to enter them into a place where they're going to look for more and they're going to want to understand more and they're going to want to get cleaner stuff. And so, so, you know, that's where I'm at.
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It makes you wonder if you could provide healthy natural food at a mass scale these days. Is it possible?
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You know, I think it can. It just needs to be, you know, it really needs to be, I don't know what the word, you know, focused and not just driven by quick profits because, you know, when I was, you know, training and when I was growing vegetables, so, you know, it was real intense. Those French intensive organic biodynamic is what I did. And you could get an incredible amount off a small amount of area, but you need more labor on the farms. And you know, used to be 40% of the population was in agriculture and now less than 2 are. Dang. And so 98% of the people are just kind of jerking off trade and services, you know, and not making the raw materials of life. And then they're having to do all this trading to make money to pay for where they live and their electricity and their gas and their car and stuff. And if more people move back into a communal farming structure where they're living on the farm and producing and they're not having to make money to make all those extra payments. If we figure a way to do that as a society, then we'll be able to do that.
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Right? That would be ideal. Yeah. Right now it seems like it's hard to make a living as a farmer.
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Yeah, yeah. But you know, if you're going to the farm and then selling the stuff and then going back to the place, you're paying rent and paying for the car and all that. We got to fold the living together into the production so that the people working there don't need to make as much money individually to live other than the food system.
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What Other big issues are you seeing? I know you talk about mold.
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I mean, toxins in general, you know, are just so widespread. And part of us, you know, wanting to have, you know, perhaps perfect lawns and perfect landscaping and everything looking good and, you know, where I am, really dry. But everybody's got, you know, grass and stuff, you know, living more with the land. You know, things like xeriscaping is having the plants that would live there live there and not trying to do so much. And the less you're trying to make it, you know, a desert look like the east coast, the less chemicals you gotta use. And so that's me in Vegas.
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A
Everyone has turf.
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B
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so the less we do that, the less we're poisoning everything around trying to do that. I mean, you look at all the dogs having cancer now, that's probably mostly landscaping and agricultural chemicals.
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A
So, yeah, their lifespan is half what it used to be.
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B
Yeah. So we got to make that shift, and we can do that as a society and make it, like, not okay to everybody to have turf and be irrigating their. Irrigating their stuff. And then, you know, you know, you go into hotels and stuff, and, you know, they're trying to control things from growing in there, so they spraying the hell out of everything there. You know, they all have these carpets that are just filled with all kinds of junk. Then, you know, you get into mold. It was. I remember being in the 70s as a kid, 70s and 80s, when insulation became a big thing, and the houses used to be draftier, and we spent more on heating, but they dried real well when they got wet. And then we started just hosing insulation into all these walls. And now the walls don't breathe. And so then you have all these stuff growing in the walls and really getting a handle on that, because, you know, you can have mold growing behind insulation, and you'll be doing spore tests to see if there's mold, and you won't get any of the spores because they're all back there, but you smell it. And now we're finding. You know, we were all focused on mycotoxins before and the mycotoxin exposure. Those were toxins that were just sorbed onto the spores. And so you had to get the spores to get the mycotoxins. It turns out just the smell, the volatiles that are coming out of the bacteria and the funguses that are all growing behind the wall, those are major activators of a toxic response through the trigeminal nerve. So the nerve that comes in around your eyes, down to your teeth, and out to your nose is sensing those things. And so those smells are actually stimulating this nervous system excitation that winds up inflammatory reactions. And so everybody's trying to deal with all this runaway inflammation and where does that come from? And, you know, we get used to looking for one target or another, but there's so many of them. And so to tie that together, building biology, huge thing, you know, like the Europeans, especially the Germans are bow building biology, freaking amazing at finding the right airflow. You know, it's actually my son Pierre is in architecture school in Dublin, and he's like obsessed with airflow now and creating natural airflow and, you know, and that's then natural qi flow too. So how do we build buildings that breathe and flow not just to keep the mold out, but to keep the vitality moving? And maybe they shouldn't all be these little boxes and squares and, you know, more rounded, more, more rounded walls and really get flow going. And, you know, I know the people that live in these houses where they've designed them really well, they, they feel great in those places. You go in, it's like, wow. Feels like I'm, you know, out in the woods.
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A
That's awesome. It makes me wonder because the hotels in Vegas, there's no windows that you could open.
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B
God, those are brutal. I hate to. I do a lot of shows in Vegas and that's always just a marathon of. Of endurance, you know, and first thing we do as a crew is locate the exit, you know, so we could take breaks and get outside because, yeah, they just locked, locked those things all down. And you just breathe in that stanky air in there and tons of emf. And then that's another problem is, you know, what we're doing to ourself with all this cell phone traffic. And, you know, we go from 3G to 4G to 5G just so, you know, we can get data faster. And then what's that doing to our biology? So we have. Have so much dysregulation of our biology by these things that are coming in and affecting the nervous system and the nervous system's ability to regulate the biology in your autonomic nervous system. You've got the sympathetic fight or flight side and the parasympathetic rest, digest, repair, regenerate, detoxify. That's where we heal. But everything is stimulating us towards the sympathetic side. And sympathetic is just a survival thing. So we're not letting our bodies come back and regulate healing. And then sympathetic Is for, oh, I gotta go, I gotta do something, I gotta be on it, I gotta remember something, I gotta run away from that, I gotta fight that. But we're always kind of like that, both the chemistry and you know, like the electromagnetic chemistry around us. Like all this wireless is all putting us, us on that side. And then as a society, we're putting ourselves on, on that side doing, scrolling our phone, checking all the time who's trying to get in touch with me, who's trying to do this. And it's like, you know, it's like, you know, we need that digital detox and we need to create a space we live in that's got a harmonious atmosphere so that our body can regulate. It was like, you know, I find, you know, taking all these supplements, doing all these things, are going to my sauna and my cold bath and stuff. And then I go up into the mountains for a retreat, you know, and we're like, oh, I'm going to the, you know, the Buddhist retreat. And it's like, oh, I don't need anything now. You know, it's just like I bring all these supplements. I don't touch it the whole time. I'm like, I feel great.
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A
Yeah, it is interesting, right?
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B
Yeah, yeah. And it's like, geez, I've seen a few of those.
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A
There's ones where you can't talk.
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B
Yeah, yeah, Silent ones. Those are intense and those are intense for people's chatty mind that, that runs to just to bring that back and be with yourself. I don't go to the silent ones as much.
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A
But what's the craziest one you've done? Have you done the cave one? The darkness one?
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B
I was just at a retreat where it's a bon. This is the pre Buddhist religion in Tibetan. There's actually a pretty well known bond Tibetan monk who lives at my house. And so I'm really tied into these people. And we just did a five, six day one where we were learning the dark retreat techniques. Sun gazing and sky gazing.
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A
Wow.
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B
And I haven't done a long dark retreat. I've only done some shorter ones. But yeah, I'm gearing up to do, to do that one now.
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A
Those look gnarly. I've seen reaction videos with it when they come out.
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B
Oh yeah.
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A
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B
What is going on? Actually, a friend of mine, wake is here and he's done a whole bunch of them. He's done more than the, the monks have. I know he really likes us. He really digs it, you know, and he was at Mantak Chia's place doing one in Thailand and he.
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A
And that's hard to turn down.
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B
Yeah, I know, but. And it was real swipey, like, wasn't in a cave. He was like, you know, there's a massage table and all this nice stuff and. But he called me after. He's getting down his eyes, he's like this and he's like, you know, trying to, you know, focus and be there. And he's like, oh yeah, it's wild when you're in there. It's like. Because in the dark, retreats, all of a sudden things become light.
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A
You start seeing.
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B
Yeah, you start seeing things. The idea is that awareness is inside us and that we're projecting out and seeing you and, and that, you know, we can project out all, all of these things. And so you'll be in this little cave, but you're seeing a landscape there and you're seeing people there. And he talks, you know, we talk about like entities, you know, like spiritual parasites, you know, that's a real big deal. And he's like, oh yeah. You just see him plain as day, like you're me, you know, coming in and out and that. You know, on the esoteric side, you know, things, you know, spiritual parasites affecting people is a massive deal. And I do a lot of, you know, basically exorcism, both, you know, from some European traditions and in the Tibetan traditions and do a lot of that. Yeah, I do a lot of healing work even. I mean, this is what people know me for. I was working on someone downstairs and this woman saying, he just plays that he's freaking Ph.D. but he actually does all this healing work and clearing their minds from distortion coming from the outside is a huge thing. And we have that as a society. Now there's like big sort of like demon mind on us, keeping us moving in these materialist directions that keep us separate. You know, there's forces that make us think we're separate. I mean, it's the original spiritual split from oneness to thinking we're, we're separate. You know, it's the old Bunny Whaler song in the beginning, the concept of I, and then upon yonder rose the devil claiming it's you and I. And that split of separateness is something that's driving into us very, very intensely. And that's another deregulator. So like if I feel, you know, that we're one in, in the larger field, but you're your manifestation of it. I'm my manifestation, then I can co regulate with you because I see you and us knowing each other as a co regulating healing thing. But then when I start seeing you as competition for my resources and now you're a dysregulating force and you know, now it's, you know, it's a, it's a little war between us.
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A
Social media does a great job.
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B
No, it does a great job of I have and you don't.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, and that, that is, you know, it's a fundamental breaker of our spirit. And then that, you know, fundamentally is hurting our health.
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A
I could see that. I used to think that way when I was younger. Like I would compare myself, whether it was followers, money.
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Oh yeah, it's just a killer. It just shoots you down when you could be doing such good things, you know, and you've clearly made that shift and.
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A
Big shift, but important.
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B
Doing a good thing.
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A
Yeah, big shift. But now I'm all about collaboration. That's how I built the show. Collaboration.
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B
Yeah, yeah. And then you find your spirit so much better. The people you work with, everything's so much more rewarding.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, now we're just going to share together in love.
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A
Absolutely. Yeah. I'm very aware of the spiritual attacks too. A lot of people treat health as just physically healing them.
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B
But no, I have to, I have to do a lot of spiritual clearing on people to get them better. And, and that's a lot of the X factor. I mean, you can take all the supplements to heal something, but if, you know, you've got this spiritual attack into an organ, it's not allowing it, it or trauma. You know, you've got this trauma that you're storing in an organ and this memory of something you won't let go of.
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A
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B
really when you focus on that, then you bring in Spiritual Attack 2 to feed into it. It's like an inner outer thing. And with parasites, you'll have inside and outside one ones. And the X factor in getting people better is to break that attachment to the negative spiritual entity and break our attachment to our trauma. Yeah, we grow attached to it. We want to keep it. It becomes part of our, of our identity. You know, I'm the traumatized one and therefore I can sit and brood in the corner. I can, you know, have some reason for why things aren't good for me. And it's like, that's. You just gotta let go of that.
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A
Yeah, there's no growth, right?
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B
No, no, no. And it just gets worse over time and we keep accumulating it. And you know, one of the beautiful things about psychedelics is the opportunity to release some of that. And that's why they talk about the default mode network. All the connections in your brain and you have this infinite number of beautiful connections that you can experience, but, but you engrave into there only a couple loops. And the trauma loops, like anything that looks like your trauma goes into that trauma loop and you're engraving it and talk about inner rut. You make that the dominant paths you use and a real While microdoses will start loosening that up. And one of the keys to coming back to a spiritual wholeness is opening the corpus callosum. So left and right brain aren't separate things that can start to be one thing. And so that. Starting to. To open the pass for it. But then it's the macro dose that shatters those loops and those engraved paths in there and gives you an opportunity to open up to the whole world again. And when that's done consciously and integrated afterward, it. It really is an X factor for getting people well.
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A
Yeah, they're trying to legalize a bunch of psychedelics right now, right?
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a lot. No, it's. It's going to be great. You know, and it's in a funny world. It's kind of like when they're legalizing weed. And so it's like, you know, someone will get arrested, you know, in Colorado, even though it's supposed to be legal.
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A
State by state.
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B
Yeah, state by state. But it's. It's really getting there. And the availability, especially of psilocybin mushrooms is. Is just spectacular. So I'm super excited about where that's going.
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A
Yeah, it's been great with veterans.
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B
Yeah. Oh, geez. And you get to that, like, the ibogaine stuff and mdma, especially, you know, with somebody with PTSD or, you know, couples therapy, traumas, where people are afraid. The MDMA makes, like we were saying, everything's your enemy. The MDMA just breaks that and gives you the space where it's all one again and gives you an opportunity not to have everything be your enemy. And I love seeing people get access to that. And veterans. That's just fantastic. And so we'll get to know all the different psychedelics and their best uses and who's best suited to which and how to really administer them and with strains and it'll just get better and better.
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A
Do you think there's a mental health crisis right now with the younger generation? Oh.
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B
Oh, it's painful, man. I watch, you know, my kids and their friends and, you know, it's just. It's a little bit hopeless feeling. And I think it's, you know, what we said before, the have and have nots, and you're, you know, we were rolling through social and all the cool kids are there with everything, and they're all the best at everything, and. And, oh, my God, you see that guy did six flips on his bike. You know, why can't I You know, even take a turn without wobbling. And there's just. I see in them. There's just that they're just so feeling like they're not living up to stuff, and, you know, they're. They're depressed.
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A
Yeah. Did you see that when you were growing up?
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B
No, not as much. Well, I mean, I was born in 1969, so we didn't have any phones. I mean. Yeah, there's always competition and there's always the cool kids. You know, it's like there's the football players and the cheerleaders, and we're the geeky ones. But it wasn't. There was just sort of that, you know, and, you know, that's, you know, high school politics. And then you're going to go to college and. And you're going to rise up and you're going to do stuff. It just. It. Like the level of despair that's there now wasn't there. And, you know, very few. You know, we probably should have diagnosed ADHD more, but the sort of despair that they have is. Is just super sad to watch. And then, you know, it's. I don't mind the ADHD meds so much, but, you know, all these antidepressants, you know, those terrible. And, you know, and then these, you know, the. You know, a lot of these kids who end up shooting places up and doing real violent things. Almost every one of those.
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A
All of them are on ssris, right?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like they're just screwing with the brain chemistry in. In the wrong way. Like I said, there's some things, you know, they're okay and some things. You shouldn't be doing that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, how about we get to root? Cause here?
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A
For sure. They tried putting me on meds in elementary school.
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B
Oh, good.
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A
Yeah, that's good for kids. Yeah.
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B
I mean, that was so rare. So rare when I was young.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, you heard normal.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, like, in college, I heard about kids getting rid of it, you know, and. But, yeah, I mean, it's just. They're all doing it now.
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A
When I was in college, you were weird. If you didn't have Adderall, you were like a freak.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. No, that's. That's what I'm seeing now, you know? Yeah. My son's like, yeah, I borrowed the Adderall from my friends, you know?
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A
Yeah. I remember during midterms and finals, if you weren't on Adderall, you were, like, bullied for. You were looked at as a weird kid. Wow. Yeah. It's like that now.
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B
That's crazy.
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A
Under so much pressure, I think.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, the whole testing thing, putting you in a fear state, just a
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B
test that doesn't matter. Yeah, no, that doesn't, that really doesn't work. Well, you know, and I had to figure out with, with my son, he's, he's really unique and brilliant, but, you know, he's a classic ADHD guy and he just needed more time to take his test and he was doing real bad. And then we put him through this testing, you know, and this guy, you know, has him do this one long written thing and, and he was like, let's be honest.
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A
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B
Visit HIMS.com that took you a long time, but it was nearly perfect. You know, it was just. He just needs more time to process because he just wants everything to be at this really high level.
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A
Perfection.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's. And it, when he does something, it's really his unique expression. He's not just memorizing to shoot stuff back out. Get your grade and Move up. He really fundamentally wants to learn and grow and. And now that he's been doing that, it's like, man, this kid's brilliant.
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A
That's beast. Yes. Standard test. They just teach you memorization skills.
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B
Oh, I know. We're not taught to think anymore. And that was the big shifting in education away from colleges being places of thought and thinking and learning how to think. And now they're just technical schools where you're just memorizing stuff, going up the chain, and then doing what you do. And, I mean, you just look. Even in medicine, and then, you know, some fraction of medicine, you know, I'm a guy who focuses on the right side of the left lung, and they don't know anything about the whole systems biology and how to treat a whole person. You know, I remember my dad was a college professor, so I grew up in academia. You know, I watched him, you know, mentoring graduate students and writing books. I mean, the guy wrote 13 or 15 books. I mean, hardcore. And it was like, really. It was real true intellectualism and really teaching people how to think. And, you know, you didn't. You could write something that people didn't agree with, but if you were thinking it through, that's fine. That was what you were getting tested on. Were you applying your mind to. To, you know, intellectual thought and development of ideas, and that just is not a thing anymore.
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A
What did he teach?
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B
He taught American history.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
He's teaching critical thinking and history.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah. And then he taught. Taught American history in Russia for, like, wow, five, six years. And, you know, he loved going to different cultures. And, you know, he was. He. He was really brilliant at it and, you know, encyclopedic and history, like, everywhere, but. But real good critical thinking.
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A
Nice. Yeah. That's a lost skill these days. Number one thing I look for, it's
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really sad, you know, and it's like, you know, my son was lamenting. He had this assignment, and he's all into, like, green building. You know, he just worked this summer for me, and he was all into air conditioning and airflow and heating and passive heating and cooling. And all the teacher wanted to do was, you know, to design in a little bit more insulation into the walls. And instead he, like, redesigned the whole building to have, like, passive heating and cooling and all this green stuff. And the. The woman didn't even really know the stuff, and she failed him, you know, for not doing exactly what she told him to do. But he went beyond that.
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A
I failed marketing, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
Were you, like, doing Stuff that was too cool.
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A
I was running a business, but I wasn't doing my homework. But I was making.
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B
That's another thing.
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A
I was making revenue, I was making sales. I was learning how to do E Commerce.
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B
Yeah. You know, and then you fail marketing. That's awesome.
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A
It's crazy. They punch you for doing.
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B
Yeah. I mean, you should be able to say, here's my. Here's my final project. Here's what I built. Here's how I marketed it. Here's how I did the E comm. And you should be getting an A plus. Like, I'm doing it.
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A
Yeah. So I'm gonna send my kid to a school like that. You're starting to see them pop up.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever anything goes too far on one pendulum side, the other stuff pops up on the. On the other side.
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A
Because learning should be fun. Like, I hated learning growing up, but now I love it. I listen to, like, podcast books all the time.
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B
I know. Isn't that crazy?
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A
Yeah. Like, I literally. I used to hate reading.
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B
Yeah. You know, and the part is being forced into doing it versus, you know, unfolding into something and consuming it and wanting it. And I think the more we can allow kids in their programs to. To. To do that and approach it that way, you know, we'll get a new set of great thinkers.
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A
Yeah, we're going to need that with
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B
AI oh, no thinking or else, because. Yeah, us just learning how to memorize, you know, stuff that's out there. Well, you're not going to beat AI
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A
it's going to be irrelevant. Yeah, memorization, you got to do it.
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B
No, it's totally irrelevant. It's only to have enough thoughts in your head about something so you can design a larger thought around knowing some of the details, just the stuff you need to know to frame the thought. But until we get, you know, thick and beyond things, you know, we're going to lose to AI and, you know. Yeah, we use AI a lot to, you know, write scripts for videos. And my favorite thing of AI is it just bringing in all the references that I need, you know, on this one subject, blah, blah, do this and.
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A
Whoa.
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B
All right, there they all are. So I'm not going through PubMed for. For 50 hours, though. Part of that process of going through PubMed was the unfolding of the thoughts. But AI can do good stuff for me there. But then when it generates everything, there's just. There's just something weird, you know, you feel it.
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A
Yeah, there's something weird about it. Yeah, for sure.
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B
Yep.
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A
Well, dude, this was great. We'll link the website below. Anything else you want to close off with?
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B
No, I mean, I really. I love this. And. And really the key that we got to there is health, healing, and growth is a mind thing. And mind is both brain processes and heart and spirit. And when those are open and we're opening into the world and we're not in our fear structure, the healing happens automatically. And there's a warmth and a love that comes from it that brings other people into it. And if there's anything we really gotta do, it's to increase that.
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A
Absolutely. Guys, check out his stuff. Check out the website Quicksilver Scientific, and we'll include a discount code and all that. See you next time. If you learned anything from this episode or got any value at all, please share this episode with a friend. It helps us grow the channel, it helps us grow the podcast, and it means a lot to us. Thank you so much.