Can You Measure Human Energy? | Dana Kippel | DSH #1993

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Can You Measure Human Energy?"

Digital Social Hour | DSH #1993
Host: Sean Kelly | Guest: Dana Kippel
Date: May 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

Sean Kelly sits down with metaphysics thinker and author Dana Kippel, immediately after her talk at Conscious Life Expo, to discuss her revolutionary ideas about "plasma intelligence"—the concept that plasma, both scientifically and metaphysically understood, is the sentient fabric of reality and the vehicle for consciousness. Their conversation covers the nature of human energy ("soul" as plasma), the suppressed feminine aspect of consciousness in history, healing trauma, the limits of AI, and the transformative power of authenticity.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Plasma Intelligence—What Is It?

[01:17 – 02:30]

• Dana defines plasma beyond the scientific concept of ionized gas, as “the living, sentient fabric of reality.”
• She describes plasma as “the intelligent clay that we shape with our consciousness to create reality.”
• Dana suggests our biofield (energy field or "toroidal field") is plasma and interacts with finer universal plasma making up all things.
• Quote:
  • “Plasma is the multidimensional, living, sentient fabric of reality… It’s the vehicle for our consciousness. It’s the intelligent clay that we shape with our consciousness to create reality.” — Dana [01:17]

2. Soul, Energy Fields, and Sensing Vibes

[03:32 – 04:06]

• Humans have a “soul bubble”—roughly a 6-foot toroidal field of bio-plasma—which is why we sometimes sense others’ vibes without speaking.
• The “soul bubble” is both inside and around the body, facilitating interpersonal energetic contact.
• Quote:
  • “You could like feel someone’s vibe…you’re actually feeling their soul…your soul might rub up against someone’s because you have like a six-foot field around you.” — Dana [03:47]

3. Suppression of the Feminine Divine

[04:09 – 05:15]

• Dana discusses ancient mythology referencing a “female God” or the feminine aspect of consciousness—known as Sophia, quintessence, or ether.
• She claims this side was suppressed to limit individual empowerment (“You don’t need a priest; you have the direct cord to God.”)
• Quote:
  • “There’s always been this feminine side of consciousness or a female God…suppressed forever because it not only held your magic, it held the inner power of realizing you don’t need a religious building or a priest to get you to God.” — Dana [04:28]

4. Dana’s Personal Journey

[05:29 – 06:47]

• Dana shares her background in mental health and business, her abrupt metaphysical awakening during meditation, and overcoming the fear of judgment to share her ideas publicly.
• Her ideas about plasma and consciousness emerged unbidden during meditation, leading to her books and a large online following.
• Quote:
  • “Everything I could have ever wanted came from me not trying and talking about something I genuinely experienced that I was embarrassed about for a while.” — Dana [05:53]

5. Scientific Studies Linking Plasma and Consciousness

[06:55 – 09:18]

• Dana was invited to a Denver research site (“Ramire”) studying plasma for environmental uses and found plasma’s inexplicable link to consciousness—machines responded differently based on the operator’s emotional state.
• When the scientists were in a “state of play and neutrality,” their plasma experiments were successful; with excitement or attachment, the machines shut off or failed.
• Quote:
  • “When they were overexcited...it wouldn’t work, but when they were in a state of play and neutrality, that’s when things would work or flow.” — Dana [08:16]

6. Subconscious Mind, Plasma, and Healing

[09:33 – 12:37]

• Dana asserts plasma responds to one’s subconscious, not conscious mind; inner negative beliefs shape reality via this “plasmatic” field.
• Healing trauma in the subconscious/biofield leads to a harmonious interaction with reality. This involves therapy (IFS, somatic work), self-compassion, and daily grounding.
• Authenticity means owning all emotions, not suppressing negative ones, and understanding recurring challenges ("attracting narcissists") as opportunities for healing.
• Quote:
  • “Plasma responds to your subconscious, not your conscious. So it’s responding mostly to your inner child…You might say you’re abundant and then inside you don’t believe it…and it’s always listening, giving you…what you’re asking for.” — Dana [09:33]

7. Healing, Authenticity, and Personal Growth

[12:41 – 16:29]

• Dana discusses overcoming addiction and trauma, stressing acceptance and forgiveness of mistakes as necessary for authentic living.
• Laughter and fun are powerful healers because they raise one’s vibrational frequency.
• Quote:
  • “Most addicts die because when they relapse, AA tells you that you’re just screwed and no one talks to you anymore…but you can make a mistake and still go on…you didn’t ruin anything.” — Dana [13:22]

8. People-Pleasing and Boundaries

[16:42 – 18:39]

• Both Sean and Dana open up about being givers, trauma-driven people-pleasers, and learning to set boundaries.
• Grounding before making decisions, and learning to let others sit with discomfort, are key steps in reclaiming personal power.
• Quote:
  • “If someone…making you feel uncomfortable, then let them feel uncomfortable. You don’t need to caretaking or people please them. Just let them be in that space.” — Dana [18:01]

9. Creativity, Book Projects, and the Need for Hope

[19:11 – 20:37]

• Dana’s first book, “A New Force,” explores plasma and consciousness; her upcoming speculative fiction will weave in her metaphysical insights through the story of an addict on another planet.
• She emphasizes the need for positive, inspiring fiction as an antidote to current “AI doomsday” narratives.
• Quote:
  • “What if we went to a spiritually evolved Earth…that also brings inspiration to humanity. I just want to write something fun, whimsical, gives hope.” — Dana [20:13]

10. AI, Information, and Human Meaning

[20:45 – 22:55]

• Dana is “neutral” on AI, seeing it as a tool, but not a replacement for conscious, creative human intelligence because AI lacks plasma—the “vehicle for consciousness.”
• She warns about over-reliance on AI for interpretations (e.g., dream meanings) at the cost of intuition and self-awareness.
• Quote:
  • “AI is just zeros and ones; the meaning is given by consciousness…the human is the original technology or something with a plasma body.” — Dana [21:35]

11. Dreams, Lucidity, and Trauma

[23:56 – 25:21]

• Dana gives tips for dream journaling and intention-setting for dream recall, but avoids lucid dreaming to allow her subconscious to communicate in its own way.
• Both Dana and Sean relate possible trauma and life stress to changes in dream activity.

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Memorable Quotes

• “Plasma is the multidimensional, living, sentient fabric of reality… the vehicle for our consciousness.” — Dana [01:17]
• “You can feel someone’s vibe… your soul might rub up against someone’s because you have like a six-foot field around you.” — Dana [03:47]
• “There’s always been this feminine side of consciousness… suppressed because it held your magic, your inner power.” — Dana [04:28]
• “Plasma responds to your subconscious, not your conscious…” — Dana [09:33]
• “If you’re not coherent enough to receive it… it’s just giving you [negativity] because you’re asking for it.” — Dana [10:08]
• “Let [uncomfortable people] feel uncomfortable. You don’t need to caretaking or people please them.” — Dana [18:01]
• “AI is just zeros and ones; the meaning is given by consciousness…” — Dana [21:35]

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Important Timestamps

• Plasma intelligence explained: [01:17]
• Biofields and sensing energy: [03:32]
• Suppression of the feminine divine: [04:09]
• Dana’s awakening and journey: [05:29]
• Research linking plasma & consciousness: [06:55]
• Subconscious, plasma & reality creation: [09:33]
• Healing and authenticity: [13:22]
• People-pleasing, boundaries, and self-care: [17:18], [18:01]
• Books & creative projects: [19:11], [20:13]
• AI and meaning: [21:35], [22:55]
• Dreams, lucidity & trauma: [23:56], [24:25]

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Where to Find Dana

• Instagram: @danathealien
• TikTok: @danakipple
• YouTube: Plasma Intelligence
• Website: DanaKippel.com (offers books and classes on plasma, consciousness, and “organic technology”)

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Tone & Style

Warm, candid, exploratory, and frequently vulnerable—with a blend of the metaphysical, personal anecdote, and open-minded scientific curiosity. Dana especially balances technical metaphysics with approachable storytelling and humor.

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This summary covers the full spectrum of the episode’s content, offering clear attributions, timestamps, and carefully selected quotes while maintaining the conversational feel and thematic focus.

Transcript

[A]

The Taurus around us, our energy field, that is plasma. That's our bio plasma. And then an even finer plasma makes up reality. The reason you could, like, feel someone's vibe is because you're actually feeling their soul. If your subconscious is thinking mostly negative thoughts, it's giving you that not to punish you, it's just giving you that because you're asking for it. In a way. The only way really in my mind to actually channel these things or connect with this real intelligence is.

[B]

Okay, guys, got Dana here. She just gave her talk at Conscious Life Expo and came straight here. How'd it go?

[A]

It went great, I think. I didn't memorize. Yeah, I didn't memorize anything. I just spoke and that was that.

[B]

Yeah, there's two types of speakers. I feel like. I feel like there's a type that brings the slides and they know every single word.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then the free for all.

[A]

So I'm a mix. I brought the slides and I read off the slides.

[B]

I'm guilty of that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It is a lot of slides. And to memorize it all.

[A]

Yeah. Why would I. Why would you do that?

[B]

Plus, it doesn't seem genuine.

[A]

No. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

If you're like a robot reading off it.

[A]

No, it's terrible. I was. I was not that either. I was just. I don't know.

[B]

But for those that don't know, you basically talk about plasma intelligence, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's what you're kind of known for these days.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Can you explain that for the beginner audience?

[A]

Yeah. So obviously there's plasma and science, which is an ionized gas. Solid, liquid, gas, and then plasma. Basically it just means that it gets into a state and this is the boring science definition where electromagnetism can start to shape it and respond to it. Basically, we're in a sea of plasma of our reality. So I kind of say plasma is the multi dimensional, living, sentient fabric of reality. So if you picture that we're all in a painting that's made of plasma with different colors and densities, that's the best way to describe it. And it's the vehicle for our consciousness. So if you think it's kind of like the feminine side of consciousness that no one talks about, and it's been suppressed for like thousands of years. Like what they call, Sophia quintessence, ether energy. It's the sentient side of consciousness, the womb of creation, the womb that holds conscious. It's the intelligent clay that we shape with our consciousness to create reality. Wow. But it also connects to Science. So I don't sound. I know I do sound like a loony, but like it's actually tangible in science. Some of the stuff I'm starting to say. And people who have like real degrees are interested in what I have to say, which I think is important.

[B]

Yeah. So you're trying to piece that world together.

[A]

Exactly. Yes. That's why I call it metaphysics. Because it's like the mix of science and spirituality. Yeah. It's like the science of the soul.

[B]

Yeah. They've been trying to prove if a soul exists for a while now. I wonder if that'll happen in our lifetime.

[A]

I think. I don't know, but. Because it's like, really, what is it? But there is a book, book that had to do with plasma that Robert Temple talked about in A New Science of Heaven called the Weare of Souls from like the 1900s. And it talked about how when you die, like you can actually like weigh the soul. And the guy like took this plasma and actually, this is actually bad, but he, he, when people died, he took what he said was their soul or this like light, and he put it in a glass case and he studied it. It's this really crazy book. But I swear they were talking about plasma.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he took their soul and put it.

[A]

It was a bad book. Like it was, it was like an evil thing he did. But the point is, like, they were talking about like the soul and plasma like 100 years ago. But there's all of these like secret studies on plasma and Russian stuff from the 1950s.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah, that would. I guess that would. So the soul's in the body then in that case. Because some people think it's outside the body.

[A]

No, sure. So this, I'll actually say it a really easy way, so you know, like the shape of a Taurus, like a toroidal field. The Taurus around us, our energy field, that is plasma. That's our bio plas. And then even finer plasma makes up, you know, reality, everything. But the reason you could like feel someone's vibe is because you're actually feeling their soul. Like your soul might rub up against someone's because you have like a six foot field around you. That's why you feel like, feel those things.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. I think it's within and with. You're in a bubble, like your soul bubble holding your consciousness.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah, that makes sense though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Certain people, you don't even have to talk to them.

[A]

You just feel, you just know.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Yeah, that's enough proof.

[B]

Yeah. For Me, I feel like women are better at that too.

[A]

Yeah, I think, I think men can be good at too. It's just like about being in your feminine or like your magic power, you know, like we all have that. It's just not being in logic. It's like sensing something without applying meaning to it right away.

[B]

Well, men all speak for them. They're just kind of afraid, I think, to embrace that feminine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Side to them. It's seen as weakness in their eyes.

[A]

That's why they've called it in mythology the siren or the demon or. You know, they talk about all. They talk about God, but they never talk about the female God who is literally in mythology. Like it was Sophia and before that they were ashira poles, before Christianity that they tore down. But there's always been this feminine side of consciousness or a female God that has been suppressed forever because it not only held your magic, it held the inner power of realizing you don't need a religious building or a priest to get you to God. You have the direction cord to God.

[B]

Yeah. I've never heard that female God. It's not in the Bible.

[A]

No.

[B]

It's not by design, right.

[A]

Yeah. They just call Mary Magdalene a. When they shouldn't do that. But yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Very upsetting.

[B]

Yeah. This is all really interesting. This is all very new to me too. I've never heard of plasma. Plasma intelligence, female God.

[A]

Yeah, it's new to everyone, I think for enlightening everyone. 1.

[B]

How did you stumble across this?

[A]

Yeah, that's a weird story. So I actually, I think maybe it makes me more credible, but I had nothing to do with any of this stuff. I mean, I was always like interested in the kind of obtuse things in paranormal. But I worked in the mental health field in business for 10 years. I integrated. I, you know, I did a lot of stuff in mental health and a drug addiction and then I had a food business and then I was acting and directing science fiction films. And then I started meditating five years ago and, and in my third meditation ever, it just came through to me. Like plasma is intelligent, is the vehicle for consciousness. And you're going to write a book called A New Force about it. And like you're going to be part of something that changes the world. Not like I'm going to change the world, we're all changing the world. But I can't explain it. And for four years I didn't do anything about it because I thought it was not sexy and not cool and just like the silliest thing ever. And no one would like me or listen to me in Hollywood would outcast me. And then I started talking about it on Instagram, and that's what got me my following. And everything I could have ever wanted came from me not trying and talking about something I genuinely experienced that I was embarrassed about for a while, because it was like, you know, if I said this five years ago, I would have either been like, you're gonna use this as a clip. I would have either been, like, Merced, like, murdered, or I would have been, like, laughed out of the room. And now, I think, is the time to talk about it. So I feel protected in a way.

[B]

I feel like people are more open to stuff like this these days. But you're right. Five, ten years ago, like, Epstein was a conspiracy theory.

[A]

No. Yeah, yeah. And Noah and plasma was, like, mostly classified. I. Like, I just went to a place. Ramire are. Their name is R I M E. R E. They're doing, like, they were doing secret plasma research in Denver for, like, since 2011, and they were allowed to. They're finally ready to release it to the public this year. And in it, they found. And they were doing, like, kind of like. Or I would say cold fusion or working with plasmoid and, like, it's called reformation of methane to basically clean up the carbon issue and all these things. But the cooler thing is that when they were working with it, they found an undeniable link with plasma and consciousness. And I've been studying that in, like, secret, and they just are releasing that stuff now, and they invited me there, and I got to talk about some of it on Instagram recently.

[B]

Was that on Monroe Institute?

[A]

No, Monroe Institute's separate, but I love them as well.

[B]

Yeah, I got invited there.

[A]

No. Did you go yet? You have to go.

[B]

Some really good stuff.

[A]

I'm going next month. Remote viewing. Yeah. But I've been to Gateway.

[B]

Yeah. I know a couple of people that have done the program.

[A]

Yeah. No, they're great. They're legit. And they're not, like, you know, evil, either. Some conspiracy. Like, they actually want to help your heart and your soul and to help expand consciousness. And I'm obsessed with them.

[B]

The Hemi sync is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. No, this is an actual, like, company that's, like, into, like, physicists, neuroscientists, like, studying plasma. Had these huge machines working in plasma, and then on the side, they're kind of studying the consciousness element with plasma.

[B]

Interesting. And you said they found a link.

[A]

They found an inexplicable link with consciousness and plasma. So basically one of the things were when they were using their machines and like, they would have this new, you know, because they work in chemistry, they work in like real science. But when they had. When the plasma machine would like do something new with the chemistry they were testing, when they got super excited, the machine was shut off and they found this link that when they were overexcited or when you're like attached to something in reality, reality is made of plasma too. It wouldn't work, but when they were in a state of play and neutrality, that's when things would work or kind of flow. And they also have this machine. So your mind goes through this plasma and then you use this mechanical hand and the hand has to pick up these blocks through this plasma. And if you tell it to pick up the blocks and figure out how you can, it won't work. But if you just do it, it will work through plasma. So there's an unexplicable link with consciousness traveling through plasma in a weird way. But if you're coherent and in a state of more player just being you and just picking sign up just like here you will. But if you're thinking how you're gonna do it, like, the hand wouldn't work.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And that's how life works. It's like you've probably with your podcast, like, you just do it. Like anyone who like thinks and talks about it, like, you know, they're not gonna do anything. It's the same way as life.

[B]

Well, that makes sense because we use our subconscious mind most of the day.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like 85, 90% of the.

[A]

Yes. And most people, it's subconscious for a reason. And plasma responds to your subconscious, not your conscious. So it's responding mostly to your inner child that wants, you know, mommy and daddy to love them or wants validation or, you know, you might say you're abundant and then inside you don't believe it. And it's your higher self is. Or God, whatever, is trying to give you all this through plasma. It's always listening, giving you. You're never being punished or rewarded. The problem is if you're not coherent enough to receive it or if it doesn't communicate with your. If your subconscious is thinking mostly negative thoughts, it's giving you that. Not to punish you. It's just giving you that because you're asking for it in a way.

[B]

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[B]

I think they tried or they assumed it would do something and they put it under a microscope and it was doing its own thing or something.

[A]

I don't remember. I have no idea.

[B]

Something like that. It reminds me of what you're saying.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

How like the subconscious is actually controlling.

[A]

Okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Something with the observer effect. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So the conscious mind is not what you want to be focusing on. I guess.

[A]

I think it's a mix and I think it's more that we need to heal our subconscious mind. And what is that connected to? Our biofield, our energy field. Right. So the more we heal what I call this four dimensional plasma, which I know is like Kind of an esoteric term, but the more we heal this kind of, you know, plasmatic energy field, we all have the. Our trauma, our limiting belief system, the more not only will interface with the reality, better we'll work with each other. Better we'll just be happier. And then this field of plasma that has been demonized for, like, thousands of years, it also needs healing. So there's all this healing.

[B]

When it comes to healing, have you seen any methods that have been effective for you?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, so I'm like an ex drug addict and alcoholic. And I was, you know, from ages 14 to 21. I was, you know, doing drugs, drinking a lot. I had a lot of trauma in my life. Like, you know, molestation when I was a kid, extreme bullying. Didn't really have many friends. Like, I've been through a lot of darkness and stuff. So I had a lot to heal is what I'm saying. And I went through a lot of therapy and nothing was working. And then what really has worked for me are a few things. This thing called internal family systems and somatic therapy, which works on the body. And then also connecting with my heart, grounding, just trying to be a good person every day, but also if I am angry for a day or sad for a day, not demonizing myself or having, like, human emotions, also making mistakes. Like, most addicts die because when they relapse, AA tells you that you're just screwed and, like, no one talks to you anymore. Like, and it's kind of saving in life. It's like, you can make a mistake and, like, still go on, and you're authentic and great and you didn't ruin anything. Like, you know, unless it's a tragic mistake. And I could have made horrible mistakes. I've done bad things in my addiction, and thank God I was lucky enough not to get caught. But my point is, like, never feel bad. Like, yes, take accountability, but, like, you're just hurting yourself. So just like, love yourself, play and. I don't even know what I'm saying. I lost my train of thought. Yeah, heal yourself. What? Way modalities for healing. Also laughter, having fun, not taking life too seriously. It's the simple things. It's not like, oh, I know this plasmatic wisdom. It's like the simple.

[B]

That's something that Matthias said to me on my first interview with him. Laughter, one of the highest frequencies.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This vibration of being authentic, like, being yourself. And here's the thing with being yourself is what if you're really just upset with someone and You're a people pleaser, then you're not being yourself. But you can actually feel a negative emotion and be yourself that's still authentic. Even if you're angry or sad, you know, you're not. You shouldn't punch someone, maybe punch a pillow. But there's ways to have grace and still have negative emotions. And it's just reminding people we're human. We're allowed to have all the emotions.

[B]

They're all necessary, right? I think some people try to hide the bad ones.

[A]

Yeah, they're not aligned or they won't be abundant. It's like once again, we're not being ever going to be punished for anything. If something bad's happening in your reality or negative coming to you, it's actually a callback to wholeness and love to yourself. So the more that you know, if you keep meeting the same person, you know, let's say you're dating all girls. Say this like you're dating a narcissist over and over again. I've had this happen too. You're not being punished. It's just resonating with you because that's symbolizing like your mom or dad or someone in your life that you're trying to work out that trauma with. And until you heal it, it's going to show up in your life because it's literally a callback to loving yourself. And the more you work on yourself and love yourself, you'll stop attracting those people.

[B]

I've heard that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're attracted to your father, right? People that like.

[A]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, for me it's weird because my dad was not a narcissist and I was attracted to narcissists. But for me it was more like I was adopted. I, you know, had all these things where I didn't feel love within me. For whatever reason, my family, family didn't understand me. And I was always looking outside for the warmth that I never felt within. I always felt like empty inside, I guess. Like I had a lot of empathy, but I didn't know what love and joy felt like. Cause anytime I felt it as a kid, it felt like it was ripped from me. So I think I always searched outside of myself for that until very recently when I discovered it's within. And the people that give that the most are the people that make you feel most alive. Those are the people that take you on emotional roller coasters, like narcissists.

[B]

So there's some good qualities to narcissists, I guess.

[A]

Yes, they're. They're the demons that evolve you.

[B]

Yeah. There's a lot of social media space.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And the business world I'm in, they're just scared.

[A]

I mean narcissism is fear. I don't think evil's actually. I think evil's human created. I think it's evil's just fear. And I think that they're just all scared little children just like me in many ways. And that's how it's coming out for them.

[B]

Yeah, I was, I was scared when I got in this space.

[A]

Yeah, it's a lot scared.

[B]

It's a lot to put yourself out there, I think. Yeah, I was definitely worried of judgment.

[A]

Yeah. And you, and you are probably just. And like who cares? Like you're, you're living your dream and those people aren't maybe.

[B]

Well, people. I realize people only care about themselves.

[A]

You think most people. Yes, I would say most people because I do care about other people and I actually say that you're rare.

[B]

That's not how most people think.

[A]

Yeah, I know. And I've got to take advantage of a lot because I, when I meet someone, I usually, I usually don't have a motive of like, oh, you know, I can get on this and if I meet in this. And I didn't know other people were like that. So when people meet me, I open myself to anyone and I realized very quick I had a lot of negative people around me and I was like, oh, I have to have discernment because people have motives. Because I don't have motives. I just meet people like, oh, they're cool. I want friends so bad. I just want everyone to like me. I'm like, oh, friends. I have no friends.

[B]

Yeah. That was a weird thing I dealt with too. I was a giver.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wanted to please people.

[A]

Pleaser. Yes.

[B]

That was my worst habit. I put everyone before me.

[A]

I, I've done the same.

[B]

I think it was a trauma response because I didn't have friends growing up, but same. So yeah, that sucked. I still do a little bit, but.

[A]

Do you? Yeah, you just gotta. I've gotten to the point where I'm really good at saying no, but then sometimes I always go almost go to the other side of the scale where I'll say no too much. Just cuz I'm like taking my power back so I'm, I have to. That's why I like one thing with healing, grounding myself before I make a decision instead of rushing to make one and also trying to make people feel more comfortable. Well, if they're making you feel uncomfortable, then let them feel uncomfortable. Like you don't need a.

[B]

How do you do that?

[A]

Like if, if someone, instead of rushing to make someone feel better, let them give it space. Let them feel weird and don't like try to caretake them or you know, people please them, just let them be in that space or like don't answer right away or you know, ghost them. Yeah. I mean if you want to say like no and just use discernment and you don't want to talk to the person again, you don't owe them anymore if your space or time. No. Yeah, and same thing because I'm sure you get involved with this too. Like with famous people. Put no one on a pedestal if you want. Don't look up to anyone. Everyone's human. Decide if you like them based on if they're a good person and nice and kind and funny and whatever and

[B]

yeah, you can't, you can't do that. I've only been nervous with two guests and that was just because I had so much conditioning around them. I think deep in my subconscious I couldn't shake it. I try to treat everyone.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Pretty grounded.

[A]

Yeah, well, we're all human. I mean, if I met like Megan Fox, I'd freak out. Cuz I love the movie Jennifer's body.

[B]

Transformers. Yeah, she was the hottest girl in middle school.

[A]

Yeah, she's very pretty.

[B]

Yeah, Megan Fox. And now she's doing some interesting stuff,

[A]

but she's probably doing spirituality. Okay.

[B]

The Blood Sacrifice.

[A]

Oh, I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know anything about. Don't get me involved.

[B]

Are you working on a new book? I know you got one called the New Force, right?

[A]

Yes. That book's doing really well, thank God. And thank plasma. And my second follow up book to that is actually called A New Science and that will be out sometime. But actually this is a funny thing. With validation, I know that book could do well. Right. I can make money off that book. Blah, blah, blah. I am called to that book. But what has been coming through to me is actually a speculative fiction book which is like a solar punk fantasy book about, you know, I don't know what I should say. I'll say one thing, it's about an addict and it's about another planet. That's all. And a wormhole. So that's all I'll say. And I feel called to write that in my heart. And I think that actually will feed into the new science books. I think I'm kind of communicating with stuff And I think that book I'm going to have so much fun doing because it's just creativity and I have no pressure and I want to do that. So I'm literally taking three months off. I canceled like all my meetings and trips and I'm just doing that for three month. So that's going to be my first book. And then my follow up book to a New Force.

[B]

I haven't read a fiction book in a long time.

[A]

Yeah, I'm excited to do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We need like us positive. Like all these people are coming up with books that are, you know, negative endings or like cyberpunk or like end of the world. Like, I don't want to necessarily do a utopia, but like, you know, what if we went to like a spiritually evolved Earth and it was still like had faults, like and. But it also brings inspiration to humanity. Like I just want to write something like fun and whimsical and like it gives hope.

[B]

Yeah, that's probably needed. There's a lot of AI Doomsday.

[A]

Yes. And I will not be in it.

[B]

Yeah. I don't blame you on that. I love AI right now.

[A]

Do you? I don't hate it. I just am neutral to it. And it's just like it's a fad. Like the Internet was. It's not going to take over. And I think that's laughable.

[B]

I get both sides of the argument. I can already see it taking jobs.

[A]

My mom. I think it will take jobs.

[B]

Yeah. My mom's company just laid off 16,000 people. Replaced them with AI.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm saying I don't think it's going to become conscious. I think that there's negative effects to AI that's horrible that they have in your mom's company. She's okay though.

[B]

She made it okay.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Now she reports to an AI.

[A]

Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, that's actually horrible. Well, anyway, I don't love AI but I also. Anything you hate isn't good either. I would say I'm just more neutral, but I just don't think we should put it on a pedestal. Like people are doing like everything. Like just like the Internet. Like I literally think it's just gonna become another thing.

[B]

It doesn't have the plasma though, to have a consciousness.

[A]

No, exactly. Thank you. You get it. Yes. So I kind of talk about this a lot and like information theory. So like information's zeros and ones. You take a photo. The photos on the computer, it's just zeros and ones kind of mixed around and My friend Adam Curry was kind of helping me understand this. What gives it meaning? Consciousness gives that photo meaning, those zeros and ones. It's not doing anything. The computer is literally just putting pattern recognition. But when you're with AI, maybe if you're channeling a consciousness, it's reflecting that. But if you think it's channeling. The thing is, with AI, with technology, when essence is coming through, only information can come through. The essence is left, and then on the other side, we're looking now at the technology or the information. We are rehydrating it with that essence. We are the meaning makers. So the only way really, in my mind to actually, you know, channel these things or connect with this real intelligence, and it's just different than information about demonizing it is to. Is the human. It's the original technology or something with, like, a plasma body.

[B]

Go within.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[B]

Well, if you study the top minds in the past, they all went within.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. They didn't use AI to figure something out, you know, And. And I use AI to, like, decode my dreams. I use it for so much, and I've realized that my intuition has gotten worse, which has scared the shit out of me.

[B]

I could see that.

[A]

Yeah. So that's relying on it. Yes. So, like, I was relying on it for, like, what my dreams meant, rather than spending 30 minutes journaling about my dreams. And then this, like, beautiful thing comes to fruition that I never could have thought of, that I is still never brought to me, and. But AI hits that addictive thing, and I know as an ex addict, where it's just feeding this thing is pattern recognition, makes you feel that warmth inside, but it really is soulless in a way. It's fun and cool and addicting, but, like, nothing can beat that. Like, that essence that comes through when you're really getting that real kind of answer that pops out of nowhere, and you're like, oh, my God, I'm like a genius. So, like, everyone thinks that, but you know what I mean?

[B]

I'm so guilty of that. I look up my dreams all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow. I didn't even think about that.

[A]

Yeah, it's okay. I think in moderation, but it's, like, hard to be in moderation because then I started using it every day as a dream journal. I stopped journaling, and then I noticed my life just felt kind of like. Like. Yeah, I felt knowledgeable, but I also felt empty.

[B]

Yeah, I can relate. I want to start the journal up again.

[A]

Right? Yeah.

[B]

I used to be consistent.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like three, four dreams a night. Like clockwork.

[A]

That's what I have now.

[B]

I barely remember one.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

I think it might be because of AI.

[A]

It could be AI and also just maybe some trauma suppressed that you're not ready to face. But there's this really good acting coach that talks about facing trauma and dreams or just facing your dreams. What's his name? John Marklin. So basically, if you start a dream journal and just set the intention and say like, hey, creative source, Dream source, like I want to know this answer about this or like bring more dreams to me, like you'll start having it right away.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. You literally just had the intention before bed.

[B]

Are you going lucid a lot in your dreams?

[A]

I've never lucid dreams.

[B]

What?

[A]

I've never. I've never lucid dreamed. I've never done any kind of, you know, mind altering besides cocaine, alcohol as an addict. I've never done like mushrooms or ecstasy or lsd. No psychedelics, no ayahuasca.

[B]

There's a lot here.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

I got offered a lot walking around.

[A]

I'm just already on it, I feel like. So it doesn't call to me at all. I'm not against it. It's just like for me, I probably go into psychosis.

[B]

It's not for everyone.

[A]

Yeah. But lucid dreams, you lucid dream.

[B]

I used to a lot, but like you said, I think I'm suppressing some trauma or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now I don't really do it. Also, I've heard mixed things on it, so I want to kind of just let it happen. If it happens happens.

[A]

That's the thing. Like I also feel like if I lose a dream all the time, like if I'm controlling my dreams all the time and dreams for me are communication from my higher self and like I'm controlling things more than like getting what I need to receive, I guess.

[B]

No, I agree. Yeah, that's your subconscious mind talking to your dreams.

[A]

I don't want to work out of my dreams.

[B]

Yeah. I don't want to mess with that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, Dana, it's been great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where can people keep up with you?

[A]

My Instagram is Dana the Alien. My Tick Tock is at Dana Kipple. My YouTube is Plasma Intelligence and my website, Dana Kipple.com. i have signed books, I have magic classes where I teach about human magic and plasma and consciousness and the future of like organic technology and edge and hinge physics. I teach all these cool things. Yes, cool.

[B]

Check her out guys. We'll link it below. Peace.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Thanks for watching to the end, guys. Please comment below your thoughts on the episode if you agree. If you disagree, I'd love to hear. I read every single comment. Means a lot to me. Thank you so much.