Chervin Jafarieh: We’re Living Behind a Veneer and It’s Destroying Us | DSH #1748

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Episode Summary

Podcast: Digital Social Hour
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Chervin Jafarieh (Founder & Chief Science Officer, Symbiotica)
Episode: "We’re Living Behind a Veneer and It’s Destroying Us" | DSH #1748
Date: January 12, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode features a candid conversation between Sean Kelly and Chervin Jafarieh about modern health, the supplement industry, authenticity, and the dangers of modern life’s “veneer.” The discussion is equal parts practical and philosophical, as Chervin details Symbiotica’s approach to quality supplementation and broader cultural issues around wellness, social media, and human optimization.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Supplement Industry: Truth, Transparency, and Challenges

• State of the Industry:
  • The supplement industry is described as the "wild west" with minimal regulation, dominated by marketing companies prioritizing margins over quality and safety. (01:51)
  • "I would say 95% of the brands out there are just marketing companies that use a third party and they slap their label on it and no one's really doing any due diligence." – Chervin (01:51)
• Symbiotica’s Approach:
  • Symbiotica is committed to research and development, transparency, and continual product improvement. Some formulas have been reformulated 10 times to ensure quality. (02:23–03:09)
  • The company forgoes margins for higher quality—using expensive, non-GMO, fermented sources for vitamins (e.g., cassava for vitamin C) and advanced delivery systems like liposomal technology. (04:25–06:19)

Consumer Guidance: What to Look for in Supplements

• Key Considerations:
  • Third-party testing is a non-negotiable starting point.
  • Be wary of “cheap” vitamins: For example, most market vitamin C is derived from GMO corn and is not very bioavailable. Symbiotica’s is fermented from cassava. (04:07–05:22)
  • Liposomal creatine in their upcoming line is highlighted as the first of its kind for superior absorption, using a costly, highly soluble, patent-pending European form. (06:03–08:29)

Health Optimization: Aging, Cycles, and Lifestyle

• Reversing Aging & Human Potential:
  • Chervin and Sean discuss the idea that aging is "a form of disease" and can be mitigated or even reversed by reconnecting with nature, proper nutrition, and novel health practices. (09:26–11:08)
  • Chervin emphasizes human potential over simply extending life: “I want to get to my max of what my abilities are: physically, mentally, emotionally.” (10:29)
• Caloric Restriction and Seasonality:
  • Chervin shares his practice of intense seasonal calorie restriction (as low as 400/day for 40 days, resulting in a 25 lb weight loss) as a means to induce autophagy and personal breakthroughs. (11:08–13:24)
  • Living in cycles, mimicking ancestral seasonal eating, and using discomfort as a tool for growth are recurring themes. (13:24–15:14)

Environmental and Societal Health Threats

• Toxins and Pollution:
  • The importance of water and air quality, particularly issues like shower vapor and chemical exposures during events like wildfires, and the challenges of detoxification. (15:46–17:03)
  • Mercury in dental fillings and environmental toxins are linked to nervous system dysregulation. (17:03)
• Dangers of Modern Light Pollution:
  • Artificial lighting, especially LEDs, is seen as damaging to biological rhythms and hormone production, contributing to mitochondrial and metabolic disorders. Wearing protective glasses and seeking sunlight are suggested mitigation strategies. (48:01–49:48)

Social Media, Algorithms, & the Loss of Authenticity

• AI and Content Homogenization:
  • The rise of social media and AI-generated content is eroding individual thinking and self-expression. Referencing Rudolf Steiner, Chervin describes AI as materialism’s embodiment, warning of a future where "we'll become copycats of ourselves." (18:30–18:47)
• The "Looksmaxxing" Trend and Body Modification:
  • Host and guest discuss internet figures like "Clavicular" promoting extreme cosmetic modifications, highlighting the dangers of body dysmorphia and youth being seduced by algorithmic ‘beauty’ standards. (19:19–20:33)
• Algorithmic Incentives and Virality:
  • Negative or controversial content is far more likely to go viral than valuable, nuanced advice, making it difficult to reach a broader audience with substantive messages. (23:13–24:35)
  • “The algorithm does not reward that… I also see the fear mongers that are using really polarizing stuff…” – Chervin (24:05)

The Metaphor of the Veneer

• Society's Superficiality:
  • Chervin repeatedly warns of the “veneer”—a superficial gloss hiding societal decay. This applies to individuals masking underlying trauma or disease with outward appearances as well as to the culture at large. (41:37–44:24)
  • "Our world is a veneer. It's acting as a veneer. Right now, again, social media is a veneer." – Chervin (41:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Industry Ethics:
  • “We’re not a pump and dump group. We're not an Amazon business. We're a core ethos, brand, value, identity...” – Chervin (05:22)
• On Societal Trajectory:
  • “We’re heading towards a cliff with no brakes and no parachute… Humanity is at a point right now where people are in so much pain, anger and frustration that they don’t care anymore.” – Chervin (22:42)
• On Social Media & Self-Destruction:
  • “Social media is creating some monsters out of people.” – Sean (19:17)
• On Authenticity vs. Virality:
  • “I’m conflicted at times thinking, how do I crack that code where maybe I can get this to expand out more without selling my soul.” – Chervin (24:26)
• On Foundation of Health:
  • “You gotta get the foundations there before you start going outside of it.” – Chervin (38:13)
• On Peptide & TRT Craze:
  • “The peptide craze and the TRT craze and all these things, these are all allopathic stuff… when the foundation is rotting. And it reminds me of a veneer. Right. This world has become a veneer.” – Chervin (41:37)
• On Light Pollution:
  • “Light pollution is real. It's not. Woo woo. This is a mitochondrial breakdown… That one spectrum is robbing the circadian system, the biological clock and tinkering with our hormones.” – Chervin (48:18)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------| | 01:51 | State of the supplement industry; lack of regulation | | 04:25 | Where mainstream vitamin C comes from (GMO corn) | | 06:03 | Advanced creatine formulation & health benefits | | 09:26 | Reversing aging and human potential | | 11:08 | Chervin’s intense caloric restriction practice | | 15:46 | Importance of clean water, impact of pollutants | | 18:30 | AI, social media, & threat to originality | | 19:19 | "Looksmaxxing," body modification trends | | 22:42 | Social/cultural crisis and loss of moral ground | | 23:13 | Negative content goes viral, algorithm insights | | 24:26 | Struggle with authenticity vs. virality | | 26:06 | Liposome technology and industry imitators | | 29:12 | Importance of discernment as a consumer | | 38:13 | Foundations before advanced biohacks (e.g., peptides) | | 41:37 | The veneer analogy for society and health | | 48:01 | Damaging effects of artificial light | | 50:00 | Melatonin’s vital antioxidant role |

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Conclusions & Takeaways

• Chervin’s central message is a call for deeper discernment and return to authentic health practices—eschewing fads, quick fixes, and algorithm-driven choices in favor of educated, foundational wellness and community values.
• The “veneer” motif is used as a powerful metaphor for how individuals and culture are masking deeper wounds and imbalances with superficial fixes—be it skincare, social media profiles, or pharmaceuticals.
• Listeners are encouraged to challenge industry norms, become active consumers, nurture their bodies (and minds) with intention, and approach modern health wisely and authentically.

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Where to Find

• Learn more about Symbiotica: [Mentioned by Chervin]
• Chervin Jafarieh: Social media handles and upcoming product launches are noted near the episode's close.
• Sean Kelly continues the conversation in new episodes of Digital Social Hour.

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End of summary – All notable quotes and timestamps included for further exploration.

Transcript

[A]

What's happening to generations right now. The mind control is real and our desire fit in or to look a certain way because it's been indoctrinated into us that this is what beauty is. Someone who we're trying to attract is going to like us or think we're valuable or we have something to offer. Is insanity.

[B]

Foreign. Back on the show.

[A]

It's good to be back here.

[B]

You've been busy, man.

[A]

Yeah. It's been a wild ride for the symbiotic organization.

[B]

Congrats on the raise that just got announced.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah. I was just talking to my partner, Shahab, and, you know, we're just really thankful that the mission we're on is really being received out there. And we got some epic people that are now part of symbotica. And I think that was the whole genesis of why we did that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So exciting. And, you know, we're ready to pump out some really epic stuff.

[B]

Yeah. You guys have the target launch, right?

[A]

Yep. Target launched a few weeks ago December is going to be our main path forward with target. Very excited about that. They're a great partner and it just means, you know, more people that might not have known the brand are going to see symbotica.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's very exciting.

[B]

I love it, man. I'm a customer. Before we even met, I was a customer. I really like the quality.

[A]

Quality is everything. How you do anything is how you do everything. And I know we're going to talk a little bit today about the supplement industry and what's really going on under the scenes. And from my vantage point being a founder and chief science officer of symbotica. So I'm excited to get into the depths of.

[B]

Yeah, I can't wait to get into it because as someone that can afford, you know, being proactive, I guess, with their health, I, I, when I buy supplements, I only buy stuff that's third party tested.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. And third party testing is just the, the most basic way to understand the credibility of a brand and what their ethos is. And, you know, the whole supplement industry has become the wild west. You know, there's really no legitimate governing body that's regulating how these products are made, where these raw materials are coming from. I would say 95% of the brands out there are just marketing companies that use a third party and they slap their label on it and no one's really doing any due diligence. I know this firsthand because I've been industry for so long.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And my Position, you know, with Symbotica was we were going to create something that was so authentic, so transparent and really raise the bar. And it wasn't about competing with any other brand out there. It was really competing with ourselves. You know, some of our top SKUs. You know, I've rebuilt those formulas almost 10 times. And what that shows you is that it's constantly getting better, constantly evolving, never feeling comfortable. And the last two years especially, I've been in the lab with my, my team. It's been all research and development, all hands on deck, and we're really coming out with some epic stuff right now. So again, you know, we're not trying to point fingers at everyone and tell them how they're doing it wrong. We're just really trying to ignite knowledge and really activate the consumer. So the consumer demand is there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah. I think consumers are getting almost like distrustful of certain health brands. Right.

[A]

Of course, as they should be. You know, you have a responsibility when you have a brand. You know, these are things that people are not only spending their hard earned money, but they're putting it into their bodies, they're putting it into their children's bodies. And they're taking it not because it's trendy, they're taking it because they want to feel better and they want to get back to homeostasis. You know, we live in a crazy world right now and ultimately, should we be having supplements? No, we should be having the healthiest food on earth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you know, the food systems have become almost fringe and you know, we can go into those depths and those conversations have been had many times over. But we're in a situation right now that if you can create high octane supplements transparently with very thoughtfulness and science backed, you're, you know, you're giving people an opportunity to really expand their health.

[B]

Yeah. So as someone watching this, as a consumer, other than third party testing, what should they be looking for? Say they're trying to buy some creatine or vitamin C online.

[A]

Yeah, you know, it's, it's interesting. So I'll just take those two products, for example, Vitamin C. Most vitamin C on the market is coming from GMO corn. They basically, they take GMO corn, they turn it into ascorbic acid and then they sell you.

[B]

I didn't know that. Yeah, GMO corn.

[A]

GMO corn. Now I can understand why they do that because they're going after a margin.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And vitamin C is very competitive because every brand out there sells vitamin C. But, but most of that vitamin C, not only could it be, you know, undigestible, not bioavailable, coming from weird sources and maybe doing more harm than good. You know, most of it's not really explained to the consumer how it's work, how it works and how it functions. The margins on that material is insane. You know, we're talking about these are like derivatives of, you know, the petroleum industry and you know, some weird manufacturing process. Symbiotica. Not only are we making liposomal vitamin C, but ours comes from a fermentation process from cassava. And the reason that, why we do that now, let me tell you, it's a lot more expensive for us. Our margins are compressed. We're probably got the highest compression of margins in the industry.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Basically no margins. And it's tough. But you know, we made a decision in the beginning that it's all about transparency and we're going to build a strong community and that's how we're going to do this. We're not a pump and dump group. We're not an Amazon business. We're a core ethos, brand, value, identity, you know, organization. And so that's just one example. We use fermented, fermented cassava. That's how we get our ascorbic acid. We do a unique blend combining that with sodium ascorbate and we have all these different active forms of bionutrients combined to make liposomes and make it 100% bioavailable. That's just one facet of what we do. You just asked me about creatine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All the material on the market is basically creatine that's coming from, you know, overseas, from somewhere that you don't recognize. And we have made liposomal creatine the first of its kind. You're holding it right now in your hand.

[B]

Yeah, I'm about to take this.

[A]

And that has not been released. That's going to be released in January. And let me tell you about creatine, you know, and how valuable creatine is because everyone's talking about it now. It's not just for Jim Bros. It's not just for getting that last rep. Creatine converts into creophosphate in the body. Now we know that ATP is the energy currency of the body. Adenosine triphosphate, when you are under stress, when you're in movement, when you're training ATP turns to adenosine diphosphate. So you lose a phosphate group. Creatine helps provide and replenish another phosphate to Bring that back up. That's extremely important for your brain, for your cardiovascular system, for your energy, for your skin, everything. Creatine is a universal compound, probably the most studied compound in the world. The problem with generic creatine monohydrate is that it's, it doesn't break down properly, it clumps, it's got a crystalline form. That's why a lot of people get bloating from it, its undesired effects and that becomes a problem. What we decided was we were going to not only make liposomal creatine, which protects the creatine and makes it into the gut properly, but we were going to get a patent pending form from Europe. Okay, and now let's talk about margins again. This is seven to ten times more expensive for us than regular creatine. Just think about those numbers. Most people can't comprehend that, but it was the only way to make a soluble version in liposomes. Because creatine, standard creatine, you put it around liquid, you put it around water, breaks down almost instantly to creatinine, which is a byproduct of creatine. And what does that do? What does that do? It just turns into kidney issues and you don't even absorb the value of the creatine. So that product that you have right there, that is made of only organic compounds, phosphatidylcholine and pure crea. Bev, which is the patent pending form of creatine, is the most soluble ph protected form of creatine on the market. It's never been done before. We're going to take that into clinicals. I'm so how does that taste?

[B]

Good. Man, you make it so easy. That's why I love your products too. Well, my glutathione I take like this.

[A]

There's no weird preservative systems. Yeah, it's all organic terpenes in there. We don't use natural flavors, we don't hide behind the guise of natural flavors. We don't use any chemical synthetics. We don't use potassium sorbate as a preservative. We don't use any dyes, we don't do any of that stuff. Yeah, that right there is literally fuel for your brain, for your skin, for your nervous system. Creatine is one of my favorite compounds. I have my mom on that product. So valuable and you know, it's one of the pillars of health. You know, mitochondria and ATP, inflammation, insulin sensitivity, these are all factors that are at the pillars of a Healthy, happy, healthy life.

[B]

Absolutely, yeah. A lot of people are starting to care about health. Reverse aging is a hot term right now. Guys like Brian Johnson and Dave Asprey talk about it. Do you believe that you can actually reverse aging?

[A]

I do, yeah. I actually think, I mean, you know, aging, we now know is a form of disease. Like, yeah, you know, you know, aging actually is a, is almost like a phenomenon that can either be a healthy life cycle or it can be extremely accelerated. And because of our disconnection from nature, our disconnection from all the things that make us human, those accelerations are happening. And then you throw in the fact that we're basically, you know, we've been removed of all the proper nutrients, now we're unstable, throwing emotional health, fear, you know, now social media, all the algorithmic stuff. Ask Brian Johnson about algorithms and you'll understand. I actually had a very healthy debate with him at his house.

[B]

Really? Uhhuh. Yeah.

[A]

He invited me over for dinner with a lot of famous people.

[B]

Oh, the Don't Die dinner.

[A]

That's right, Don't Die Dinner. And me and him were probably going back and forth for about an hour and a half while everyone was around us.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

And it was a very interesting conversation. And I actually like Brian. I have a different philosophy than him, but I, I, I understand that there are certain things that we can do now that will give us a lot of extension in life. Not only living longer, but feeling better, looking better, performing better. I'm more about human potential as opposed to this like, extension because you never know what can happen. I want to get to my, to my max of what my abilities are physically, mentally, emotionally. I'm actually just coming back, coming off like a 40 day, very low caloric load throughout the last 40 days.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I've lost 25 pounds.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Actually, which is really interesting. I cut my calories from, you know, 1800, 2000 to like 400 a day.

[B]

That's nothing.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

Average person, I just found out In America eats 3,500 calories a day.

[A]

Yeah, it's depending on where in the country too. It's probably spikes, but yeah, 3500 seems to be standard. And it's not only. And that 3500 is not coming from like nutrient dense foods. It's just like, you know, derivatives of foods and you know, weird raw materials that are coming from a massive industry. So I've literally lost £25 over the last 40 days. And it's been, it's just one of those things That I do it every season. You know, I'm starting that process and less is more, especially with, you know, what we put in our body. I'm very like particular with that, but I feel really good mentally, emotionally, physically. Those things are really at a high, high level right now. I'm ready to start back on my caloric load. I'm going to start getting back into the, my exercising and things of that nature. But the last 40 days I've taken about 23 pounds off.

[B]

So you weren't exercising at all those 40 days?

[A]

You know, walks, things like that? Yeah, I'm not, I haven't been hitting the gym or hitting weights. I've been doing like, you know, some air squats, kettlebells, stuff like that. But I just wanted to give my body a rest. Yeah. You know, and we're coming off like a, you know, a summer. Summer was the, the time of Jing energy. Like you're just explosive. You're eating a lot more food. You know, know it's, it doesn't get dark till 8:30, 9:00 clock at night. Right now it's like starting to get dark at 4pm Right. It's a completely different life cycle. And so I'm really big on seasons and understanding the season, not only with food but with my lifestyle, with my energy expenditure. Right now it's been a little bit more about creativity. I've been in the lab a lot, really focusing on the new products that are coming out on Symbotica. And it's just, it's just one of those things that if you understand how autophagy and mitophagy work in the human body and how valuable it is to give yourself some time off from food, this is, you know, could be one of the cornerstones of a gateway of someone to get healthy again.

[B]

Interesting. So you're almost mimicking what our prehistoric ancestors did.

[A]

That's right, that's right.

[B]

Because they wouldn't eat as much in the winter.

[A]

That's right, yes. You know, you're, you're not moving as much, you're more indoors, you're more, it's, it's colder. You know, these are certain things. I, I just, I find that living by cycles gives me breakthroughs in life.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You know, I'm very like cognizant that if we're just doing the same thing all the time, how can we actually have these really powerful breakthroughs? But if we're changing things up a little bit, you know, looking at things differently from a, from a emotional perspective, from a worldview perspective, we're able to have certain breakthroughs and those aha moments that can activate us into triumphant wins.

[B]

100%.

[A]

And that's like, you know, anything else. You. If you want to break through a plateau, you got to get uncomfortable. And one of those uncomfortable ways is caloric restriction, which is a hormetic, you know, principle. That which does not kill you makes you stronger, more resilient. That's why, you know, we jump in cold rivers. That's why we, you know, we go into 180 degree traditional saunas. That's why we hang upside down. We do those things. We sprint, you know, we do the Norwegian 4x4, right, where we're, you know, maxing out 80, 90% of our V2 for, you know, three and a half, four minutes. You know, these are things that push the body to tell the system we want to stay alive. And so if you're just sitting around, if you're stagnant, if you're caught up in the same mundane, your nervous system is going to wire you that way. Your vagus nerve, which is your 10th cranial nerve, is going to. Is. Is not going to be calibrated to be able to equip you with certain things, to expand and to relax and. And these are really important factors, especially with the chaotic lives we're living.

[B]

Yeah. So it's almost like comfortability is. Is the enemy.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But there's a time for rest, but you can't get too comfortable. If you get too comfortable, then you get lost.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, we need to be like, we. We, you know, we got to be growing our food. Like, I know it sounds ridiculous, but to some people and, And. And things like that, but these things, these actions, great success stories.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you get prized for it. You know what I mean? Like, it's really important. It's a reward system.

[B]

Yeah. No, we started a garden last year. We got rid of our microwave. We feel way better.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

Shower filters. Yeah. The water in Vegas is terrible.

[A]

I think we talked about that on the last podcast that, you know, one of the most important things you can do is to invest in a shower filter. Because it's not. Not only the water you're drinking, it's the water you're bathing in.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

All the vapors, the trihalomethanes, the compounds. We don't have to go down that list. But, you know, it's a. It's a chemical cocktail soup. And you're breathing it in.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Not only absorbing it through the skin, but it's getting into the lungs through the alveoli and then hitting the blood supply. The fastest way of getting a poison or drug into the body is through the lungs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's why, you know, this whole LA fire situation, the Palisades fires, all the, you know, that was not a forest fire. That was a chemical soup cocktail explosion. Runaway disgusting fire that expanded out and, you know, basically we're burning lithium batteries and benzoins and all these other compounds, you know, hydrogen fluoride is being released. All these different things, heavy metals and, you know, these people are sitting there breathing all that stuff in. It's kind of like what happened with World Trade center, you know, that post World Trade Center. All of those things that they're breathed in, these immediately embed into the, into the tissues of the body. And it's almost impossible to get a lot of that stuff out.

[B]

Really? Even through sauna?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I mean, what once, I mean, sauna, you'd have to go into advanced chelation therapy, IV chelation.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Your lymph systems have to be cleared. I mean, it's a whole process. Same thing with, you know, mercury issues today, methyl mercury and, you know, the whole thing with oral mercury in the mouth, metal in the mouth. What that does to, you know, the brain, what it does to the nervous system, what it does to the vagus nerve, again, which is a branch of proteins and wiring. It's almost like fiber optics. Right. You know, the vagus nerve is so sensitive and the myelin sheath is like a jelly substance that protects those nerves. Well, things like mercury, which turns into methyl mercury in the body is basically like a hot razor blade. And think of the, of the, your, your fibers, the tubes as butter, and it just basically cuts through all of that stuff. And that's why people have dysregulated nervous systems. That's why, you know, they have pots where they stand up and their heart rate explodes, their HRV is down. They can't get proper sleep, rest, they can't digest foods properly because you have to be in a parasympathetic state to properly digest food. I mean, I can go on and on and on. There's so, there's so, there's so much to unpack here. I, I definitely want to, you know, I wanted to come here today and make it relatively simple because there's so much noise out there.

[B]

There is.

[A]

That's another thing. And the advent to AI now and social media and AI, it's like, oh, my God, I can't even comprehend what I'm listening to anymore. It's like people are just basically like, verbatim reading AI scripts now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And it's like, how did we get here? And like, we called it. Remember our last podcast, year and a half ago, I mentioned to you that Rudolf Steiner, you know. You know, he basically said that Ahraman, which is the. The entity of materialism, will come into form through AI.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And it will. It will reduce the human evolution and we'll become copycats of ourselves regurgitating the same stuff just for some type of affirmation, which is false anyways. And, you know, you asked me about some other weird stuff about physical appearances and stuff like that. We're really in that age right now where we have to take a step back, take a deep breath, really look at the landscape and go, what the are we doing?

[B]

No, it's nuts right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Social media is creating some monsters out of people.

[A]

It really is.

[B]

Yeah. So right now, you might not have seen this trend, but they call it looks maxing. And there's this guy named Clavicular who is just blowing up, but basically he does bone smashing on his face. He's getting the surgery to improve his.

[A]

Our.

[B]

Yeah. Add four inches to his height where you. They break your shins. Add four inches because he's.

[A]

What's his name?

[B]

Clavicular. You'll start seeing him now that I've said it. But basically he's performing all these surgeries because it's all about looks. And a lot of these young guys are getting impressioned by this.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that's a dangerous spiral.

[B]

Yeah. And he's also on ACT and he advocates for this. He's on. What's that acne medicine, that. Accutane. He's on Accutane and he's promoting that.

[A]

Which is, you know, basically destroying his brain and his liver.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that might be the last thing he should be worried about. You know, this is. This is scary times because what's happening to generations right now, the mind control is real. And our desire to fit in or to look a certain way because it's been indoctrinated into us that this is what beauty is. And. And this is how the. The, you know, someone who we're trying to attract is going to like us or think we're valuable or we have something to offer is insanity.

[B]

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[A]

That hijacks the moral ground. And when the moral ground is hijacked, then you have no desire to become a complete version of yourself. What is a complete version of yourself? How you show up for community. How you show up for your family. What good you're bringing to the world. What value you're bringing to the world. Imagine a portion of the population or a huge portion of the population was operating with those ethos. We'd be in a much better place right now. Our economy would be better. Our food systems would be better. Our dependence on a fraudulent medical system would be almost gone. We would have food sovereignty, health sovereignty. We'd have emotional freedom. We would have. We wouldn't have the breakdown into fights and arguments. We'd be able to communicate properly. The whole war machine and military complexes of the world would shut down. It would be a completely different world. And the way that commerce is working right now is, you know, all of it is like all parted together in some type of algorithm.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's, it's. We're heading towards a cliff with no breaks and no parachute. That's happening. And I, I think humanity is at a point right now where people are in so much pain, anger and frustration that they don't care anymore. Now I'm generalizing and I know there's a big portion. There's also a portion of population, especially with the mothers that are fighting for their children.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I honor that. And I'm there. I'm there as their brother and I'm all in on that.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. These algorithms are out of control. And as someone that has a lot of Insight and data and analytics on what videos go viral. For the most part, I'll just be honest. It's usually the negative videos that go viral. It's not someone like you giving amazing health advice. They'll get a couple hundred thousand views, but the videos that get millions are usually someone calling someone out or like being controversial, you know, so what do.

[A]

We do about that? You know, and I know it's, you're in a tough position because, yeah. You're not competing in a vacuum. And I, I find that same issue too, because it's like sometimes I'm like, I'm putting a lot of thought and a lot of time and a lot of energy by putting really valuable posts out there, sharing parts of my heart, sharing parts of my soul, showing my triumphs, showing my failures, showing the pain I went through with losing my father, all of those things. And you know, it's, the algorithm does not reward that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I have a lot of, I, you know, there's a lot of reaction to what I'm putting out there. I have loyal people around me. There's a lot of, you know, reciprocity to that. And I, and I feel good about that, but I also see the fear mongers that are using really polarizing stuff and they just hit you with that and all of a sudden the algorithm explodes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I, and I'm conflicted at times and I'm thinking, how do I crack that cod where maybe I can get this to expand out more without selling my soul.

[B]

It's a tough spot to be in. Yeah, yeah, it's really tough. Right now I'm just having on all sorts of perspectives and seeing what sticks. But at the same time, it could be damaging if I go down a darker path.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If I keep platforming certain people. So I'm in a tough spot too.

[A]

Yeah. Be, be wary. I know that, again, you're not competing in a vacuum and you, you do need to expand out and keep growing. You've done an amazing job. But be wary of, like, how far you let things go.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? Because we all have a responsibility here, I believe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If we didn't have a responsibility, it'd be complete chaos.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. And so I, I, I think that there's ways to elicit people to want to take a second there, take two seconds to tune in. Right. Because the attention.

[B]

You only have two seconds or they're scrolling. Yeah.

[A]

Right. So it's like, do you have to, do we have to hit them with, with danger out the gate like, does the alarm have to go off? I don't know.

[B]

I thought the way to bridge the gap would be to have debates and I've been moderating some, but even those can get out of control and people just clip farming.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I just got a strike for a health debate I moderated. So I'm still trying to figure it out, but at the moment these algorithms are just favoring controversy. Yeah, that's how it is.

[A]

Yep. You know, well, let's get controversial. But let's get controversial with purpose.

[B]

Yeah. With Right. To call out bad actors, call out bad. Come we don't have to name drop companies because we might get in trouble, but just bad people in the space, you know.

[A]

Yep. I'm here for it.

[B]

Yeah. What's. What, what have you seen that's really unsettling, I guess in your, your space that you need to address?

[A]

Well, I think there's, you know, let's talk about liposomes. You know, there's a lot of companies, a lot of imitators, a lot of people that tried to copy what we did at Symbiotic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's, you know, it's unfortunate because we've spent a lot of time, a lot of energy on intellectual property, on research and development, and blood, sweat and tears on doing things the right way. And all of a sudden, you know, you have groups out there that just basically mix, you know, soy lecithin or sunflower lecithin with any raw material and they call it a liposome, which is the furthest thing from the truth, with no thoughtfulness, no science, no research, no actual fundamental care for the end consumer. And I think they put a bad taste in people's mouths, especially mine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I'm, you know, working with my team to really elevate the educational part of this because I don't want liposomes to just become trendy. I want them to be relevant to people's health. Liposomes were created in the 70s to deliver 100 bioavailability on specific drugs. That application came over into the space of nutraceuticals and Symbiotica. And our team, we worked really hard to make the most efficient and indestructible liposomes out there. So they can actually pass barriers, get into the GI and actually absorb into the bloodstream and do what they're supposed to do, which is carrying high nutrient payloads to the body tissues, to the cardiovascular system, to the brain, to the organs of the body. And so I'm, you know, working with my team on really bringing out that education. And we're going to do a really, we're going to do a much better job of that going into next year. Outside of that, you know, again I mentioned earlier, all these brands, most of them are marketing companies. They don't, they have no idea what they're doing. They'll go to a manufacturer, they'll tell the manufacturer, this is what I want. And they'll put together, they'll throw it into a capsule, they'll put it into a, you know, bag with some powder.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then at the end of the day they'll add some expedients in it. They'll put some, you know, titanium dioxide in there, fillers, gums, all these different things, dyes, artificial flavors, all that kind of stuff. And then they'll go sell it and they'll make their margin. This stuff is, is moving, it's moving on Amazon, it's moving in stores. You go, I go walk around at any health food store. I still see a lot of crap out there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's, it's actually amazing that this stuff is still there. And so I, you know, I really want to bring awareness that what you put on your, in your body, be very clear with what your intention is. Don't do it because you saw some influencer doing it or because your friend did it. Take three minutes and learn about it. I always ask people, they, people come to me and go sherving, what symbiotica supplements should I be on? And I'm like, well, they're all like my children. I can't tell you where to go. But what I can tell you is go learn about them first.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I never want to lend an idea to someone even coming from me without them practicing something called discernment. Discernment is the opposite of fear. Right. It's making a decision not based on fear. It's making a decision based on education and information. And then you ultimately making a choice.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Which is critical. We need more discernment in every part of our life right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're non discerning citizens today.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Not even close. I'm very targeted with my approach with supplements. So I'll take a blood test. And for example, I had a vitamin D deficiency, so I'm taking that. I take your vitamin C when I have to fly because I don't want to get sick when I'm, when I'm traveling.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I take creatine every day because I lift and I use my brain as a host I want to be in the best shape, you know, so anything I'm deficient in or I want to get better at, I'll just take that as a supplement.

[A]

We, you, we got to get you on our D3K2 CoQ10.

[B]

Yeah, I need that.

[A]

So, like our D3 comes from a cross of algae and fungi. It's a very specific form of D3 and it breaks down into the body into the most absorbable form of that hormone. D3 is actually not a vitamin, it's a hormone. It's what's synthesized from sunlight on, from the cholesterol on our skin turns into d3, then it activates thousands of genetic expressions in the body. At the, at the corner of, you know, our immune system is hormone D3. Sunlight is part of the entire wave of this, of the entire system. We're actually electrical before we're chemical. And so our D3 has that. It's actually coming from lichen. That's what it's called. We combine that with K2 and both versions of K2, which is the MK4 and MK7 version, they have two different activations. You don't want to take D3 without K2. K2 is actually what takes free floating calcium from your blood and tissues where you don't want them and pulls them into your bones.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Really critical part of human biology and human biochemistry. Very. It's an enzymatic process. The combination of D3, K2 creates that. What's the leading cause of death in the world? Arthrosclerotic disease, Calcification of the heart tissue, which is a combination of a ph problem, you're not getting calcium into the bones, not having K2 in your diet, and also stress and inflammation. Well, the combination of D3K2 solves a big part of that. You throw in magnesium into the mix and now you have the perfect collaboration. And I don't know if you just saw, but we just released the most insane magnesium tri complex in the world. I have a form of magnesium in there called magnesium glycerophosphate. It's bound to phosphate. We talked about phosphate earlier. It's basically a salt. It's one of the most absorbable forms of magnesium. It crosses every barrier in the body. And I combine that with magnesium glycinate and magnesium taurate. Tauride is taurine glycinate's glycine. These are very important amino acids that have different functions. Glycine lowers cortisol, lower stress, easily digests, gets all over the body. Tori goes right to the cardiovascular tissue. And then you have the magnesium, glycerol phosphate, which gets into everywhere in the body. That combined with our D3K2 CoQ10, which is a coenzyme antioxidant for heart. For the heart is a powerhouse. Have all your friends and family on this, parents on this, everyone on that. Just those two alone cancels out so many issues. And it's. It's probably one of the main things that people are missing today.

[B]

Yeah, I definitely need that one. I actually did a full body MRI at Pronuvo and believe it or not, stress showed up on my mri.

[A]

I believe it.

[B]

I can't. I didn't even know that was possible.

[A]

Yeah, but where did they see that? They saw that in the. In the occipital or they saw that in the organ tissue. Do you know how did they. How did they.

[B]

I gotta reread the report, but either way it was visible. Okay. They said I need to take magnesium, so.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I need to get on that, man.

[A]

There's a quote. I got. I got 99 problems and magnesium fixed all of them.

[B]

Yeah. It might have been the brain one, actually, because I did a brain scan too.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So it could have been that, but. Shout out to Pruvo man.

[A]

Yeah, I. I actually might be working with them. I got a scan from them about two years ago. We're in conversations right now. I love what they're doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's just one of those things, you know, it's like it's part of technology today. Not all technology is great. This technology is good. Let's take a look and see what's going on behind under the hood.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. And I like that. It's an MRI too.

[B]

It's full body too.

[A]

Radioactive stuff. You're not dealing with radiation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Magnetic resonance image.

[B]

My two key takeaways from interviewing Andrew the founder. Spine degeneration is advancing rapidly because of phones. So that to me made me want to like, get way better posture. And I already have arthritis in my back.

[A]

Yep. Stenosis.

[B]

Yeah, I have. Right in my neck, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the second one was increase in lung cancer in non smokers.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

He said it's skyrocketing.

[A]

Skyrocketing.

[B]

Crazy, right?

[A]

I just saw that data report. It makes sense, you know, it's. It's hormesis. Like someone who's been smoking cigarettes for 30, 40 years, they've kind of built the biofilm and the antibodies and the ability to remove and deal with those toxins. Smoking a pack of marble Reds for 30 years. Is that good for you? No, they're, they're going towards a cliff. But their body's been able to be resilient against it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Someone who's got second hand, someone that's exposed to certain things or it doesn't have certain nutrients in the body could activate lung cancer.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And that's. And we're, you know, we're subjected to so many toxins right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And especially with the LA fires and all that stuff and.

[B]

Gee. So if you're too sheltered, it's almost a bad thing that. It's what happened during COVID right?

[A]

Yeah, 100%.

[B]

When everyone started leaving, they got sick.

[A]

Perfect example.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We need to be, our body needs to be working out, it needs to be throwing punches. You know, it's, it's very simple philosophy. You know, the more multi dynamic the body systems are, the more that they're tested on a daily basis, minute by minute, the more we can adapt to those stressors. Right. If we're, if we're unadaptive, we have no. What are we going to do? You know, it's like throwing someone into a, you know, a UFC fight who hasn't been training or practicing or elevating their cardiovascular system. They'll get shut down in any way. They'll get shut down grappling, they'll get shut down on up on their feet. It's the same thing with our immune system.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you seen anyone still struggling with long Covid?

[A]

Yes, I get hundreds a week.

[B]

Wow. Still.

[A]

Yeah. Either, you know, post vaccine injured or long. Long Covid. It's a real thing.

[B]

Years.

[A]

It's basically what's happened is they're having an internal fire in their entire immune system. Everything's on fire. It's chaos. The control system of the autonomic nervous system is deregulated. And so their body's not able to adapt to anything. And so the wires are being crossed and that's a real problem. And so, you know, you hear a lot of things like nicotine could be something that helps that pathway. So I've done a lot of research. You know, I've, I've been a tobacco grower for 20 years. My cousin. Yeah, I'm not advocating smoking tobacco, but, you know, I'm, you know, living in the jungles and exploring those things. Tobacco is a very powerful compound. It's a, it's a cleanser, it's a protector. You grow it next to your fruit trees. It's just one of those things. Nicotine has A pathway. It's the nicotine pathway and the. The cholinergenic pathway, which is where acetylcholine is formed in the brain and in the gut, is a very important pathway when it comes to immune modulation. And so long Covid that that pathway becomes disconfigured. And what nicotine does, you know, if you do like a patch or something, 3 milligrams, 5 milligrams, 7, it helps activate that pathway. So there's more flow, there's more energy, there's more direction. And you see the people are having some relief from that. And you throw in things like pine needle tea, natto cannase, which is a fermented natto, which is fermented soybeans, you know, really eats up the fiber. And in the body, which is a protein that causes clots and things like that. There are certain things that you can do that people should be doing right now, as long as. As well as being hydrated. Yeah, that's a big one.

[B]

That came up on my report, too. I was dehydrated.

[A]

Yeah, I think everyone's clinically dehydrated today.

[B]

I was shocked, honestly, because I do drink a lot. But I guess, yeah, living in the desert in Vegas, I'm more likely to be dehydrated for sure.

[A]

I mean, if you're not getting, you know, proper fruits in your diet and drinking salt water on a daily basis.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, even that is probably not enough. Like, you might have to go even into, you know, deeper depths of your. Of your hydration. I think it's. There's so many. All these. All these things. We're reaching for all these things. But at the core, if, you know, we're not doing the basics, we're not getting sunlight, we're not sleeping properly, we're not hydrated, we're constipated, things like that.

[B]

Yeah, all.

[A]

Everything just backs up literally, for sure. And you're just. Then you're just looking for, you know, allopathic recipes. And so it's the same thing. Like, even holistic stuff like herbalism or even the nutrients that I'm talking about. That's all. If you think about it, it's kind of allopathic because you're looking to solve a foundational issue. You got to get the foundations there before you start going outside of it. That's like this whole thing with peptides, right? The peptide craze is out of control. And it's funny because I've been around peptides since I was like, 19. Wow. I remember I was taking GHRP 6 and CJC. No DAC, the drug affinity complex. I was taking ipamorelin, modified GRF. I was a big fan of peptides. This is when I was training a lot and recovering a lot. I was never a fan of exogenous stuff like regular growth hormone and stuff like that. I like things that produce growth hormone in my body through the pituitary access and that's what those compounds were doing, you know. And right now that world has come back a thousandfold and you have all these influencers online that are like regurgitating AI content around these peptides and they're missing the boat on so many other things. Number one, where are they getting this stuff from? Right. Number two, what is the foundational stuff you do before you start injecting yourself with peptides? But they're, you know, in true fairness, a lot of the peptides out there, some of them are, could be valuable for a lot of people, you know.

[B]

Yeah. I wanted to get your opinion on two specifically. So I forgot to mention clavicular. The kid I mentioned earlier, he's 19 years old and he's on TRT. He has self admitted he's infertile. His Testosterone level is 2200. When you hear about TRT, I mean, it's. To me, I don't know about that one, you know, what do you think?

[A]

I mean, ideally you could go on TRT where like when you're like in your mid-60s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Maybe even further if you do things right. How old is this guy?

[B]

He's 19.

[A]

19?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, that's chaos, right? That's chaos for everything. That's chaos for him. And I feel bad for him. And I also feel bad for anyone that follows that strategy.

[B]

Yeah, that's young.

[A]

That is insane. You know, you're at 19, you're like, you should be in like peak testosterone ranges.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, from free and active testosterone. My total testosterone right now is 970.

[B]

Wow, that's high.

[A]

I don't take any exogenous testosterone. I just make sure that the pillars of my life are there. I'm getting healthy fats, I'm getting choline in my diet. I'm getting, I'm eating raw egg yolks, I'm getting sunlight, I do squats, I'm active, you know, things like that. I'm mineralized, I'm hydrated. I think there are some factors of genetics that play into testosterone production, but you don't need to be at 970 or a thousand. You could be happy and healthy at 600, 700, just depending on your endocrine system and your way of life. The peptide craze and the TRT craze and all these things, these are all allopathic stuff. You know, it's searching for a pill, searching for an injection, searching for a solution when the foundation is rotting. And it reminds me of a veneer. Right. This world has become a veneer.

[B]

Good analogy.

[A]

You know, we're trying to put a cap over something, right? This is a veneer. I'm putting. Yeah, putting it over.

[B]

Looks good from the outside.

[A]

Looks good from the outside, but on the inside it's rotting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when you put veneers over things, not only does that, that place become, you know, there's no, like, aerobic or anaerobic activity because there's no oxygen and no water and no blood supply. It starts to decay and decay becomes a cancer and decay rots and it starts to feed into everything else. Our world is a veneer. It's acting as a veneer. Right now, again, social media is a veneer. Everyone will choose how to create an outer protective shell over getting down to the issues. And the issues, really, you know, we talk about all these health factors, but it's, it's the common law of trauma, it's the social landscape. It's your inner wisdom, it's your inner voice, it's your purpose, it's your connection to God, it's your connection to family and friends. Those are the things that have to be congruent with the life that you want to live. If those places are empty, your life is a veneer. And when you're in the, when you're in that reality, you're not making the right choices because you're doing them out of pain and frustration.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And that's the whole thing with now, like GLP1s and all these things. Like, we shouldn't have to mimic fasting and autophagy through injections. We should, we should be at the core there. Now, I'm, I understand that there are certain people that have just gone through so much in life and haven't been able to rectify those issues or come to terms with them. Do things like compassionate inquiry, which is a way of going to your inner child. You know, these are emotional healing techniques. And so they have to potentially go on some of these aggressive drugs and really get to the root of why their, their, you know, metabolic system is completely out of whack. But when you're, when you're in pain. When you're in fear, you're going to have metabolic issues. When you have metabolic issues, you're going to have digestive issues. When you have digestive issues, you're going to have inflammation. When you have inflammation problems, your body's going to have a mitochondrial breakdown. When you have mitochondrial breakdown, you'll have no ATP. Mitochondrial is what converts food nutrients, light energy salts into adenosine triphosphate, which is the, again, the currency of energy throughout the body. It's a pretty simple process when you understand how the cycle of the body works. This is all broken down through the Krebs cycle, right? Or the, you know, the folate system of how the body replicates cells and breaks down cells and either replenishes them or goes into apoptosis. When these things don't happen, your body goes into senescence immunosenescence, which means senile cells. That means they're not responding to any more transcription or any more messages anymore.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

When your body goes into senile, you fundamentally break down. This is when rapid aging happens. This is when pathologies begin. Diabetes, cancers, heart disease, other weird stuff. And we're seeing more exotic stuff every single day. And as Brian Johnson will say, and other health advocates such as myself, the health span is now getting reduced. We're going into the disease spans sooner. And what are we trying to do? We're trying to put a veneer over it. It's like, you know, driving your favorite craziest hypercar in the world, a bugatti that's worth $30 million. You take it out of the dealership, right? And, and as soon as you're driving on pch, you have nine check engine lights go on. And then what, what would, what would a normal person at that point, who just spent $30 million on a car, they would immediately pull over and have it towed to a facility so they can check it out. But we're not doing that. We're putting duct tape over those check engine lights and continuing to drive facts, right? And that veneer is a destructive force that's happening in society right now. And the economy is suffering for it, and we're fighting senseless, uncensored wars for it. We're really like, you know, we're robbing Peter to pay Paul. We're trying to buy time, but we're losing the equity of time. It's, it's a, it's a radical, a radical spiritual shift needs to happen now. And I'm, I'm here, I'm. I'M here for it.

[B]

Absolutely. Such a good analogy. And it makes, it resonates with me deeply because what got me started on this health kick was my first MRI two years ago. I looked good. I was skinny, but I had so much visceral fat on the inside. Wow. It looked disgusting.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He was comparing my whole chart to like a 40 year old and I looked way worse.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

And I was skinny. Six pack.

[A]

Skinny, skinny. Visceral fat is the most dangerous.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. Because that means that your body is, is really suffering and then accumulating that visceral, you know, I would say almost like unmetabolic fat, which is filled with cytokines and inflammatory cytokines around the organs just to protect. Right. And it's around the liver, it's around the gallbladder, things like that.

[B]

Yeah, I had liver issues. Luckily now two years later, I've fixed that. But I still have all my blood work. I might have an autoimmune disease now because of that.

[A]

Well, we can reverse engineer all that. Autoimmune just means the body is not able to communicate properly. It's actually just a. Actually ridiculous catchphrase. You know, all this stuff, Hashimoto's and celiacs and all these different things. No, we just, we need to get the mitochondrial recharged again. We need to get to the electrical solution, the liver. You know, I always say, like, where is someone to start? You know, you start doing all the things like you're, you're, you know, you're doing your breath work, you're hydrating, you're doing the salts, you're sleeping. You know, you have a good life partner in your life. You're not in chaos, fight all the time. Okay, you got the basics down, right. You're not bathing in EMF all day long. Right. You know, those things are important, right? Let's focus on the liver. The liver seats at the house. As the alchemist, it converts everything in the body from toxic to nutri to neutro. Energizing. The liver is what converts all the hormones. It converts T4 into T3. It's what pushes out toxins, it regulates the entire temperament of the entire body. I would say most people are dealing with some type of liver problem right now. Non alcoholic fatty liver disease, which is an insulin issue, it's a metabolic problem, is running rampart right now. And it's literally like unstoppable force right now.

[B]

Is that from diet?

[A]

Mainly it's from diet. It's from emotional problems. It's from light Pollution. It's from, yeah, all of those things. You know, we're now, we're now seeing that how important light is. That's why when I came here I was like, can we at least lower the burden of these LEDs?

[B]

So you think it's really that damaging this light 100%. Wow.

[A]

Absolutely. That's why I'm wearing these glasses right now.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Light pollution is real. It's not. Woo woo. This is a mitochondrial breakdown. We're not designed to be having certain single spectrum forms of light that the energy guys thought it was a good idea to not use full spectrum lights because we're going to save a little bit of energy by just offering one spectrum. That one spectrum is robbing the circadian system, the biological clock and it is tinkering with our hormones. It's sending us into chaos. Probably maybe even more important than the food that we eat. That's how serious this is.

[B]

Feel bad for news anchors like Stephen A. Smith is under these lights.

[A]

Of course they're getting bombarded, they're getting rocked and these people are flying around in planes. All the feel it. I mean I have a whole strategy on how I do these things. And it's not about being in fear, it's about being advanced. It's about an act of self love. I understand human biology and optimization. I'm going to go take it a step further and really activate my body's ability to handle these things. And the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to make sure that I stay away from them as much as possible. Now I know that might be a luxury that some people can't afford. So what do you do? You got to get some glasses, you got to get certain things and you gotta make sure that you're getting touched by the sun on the rise every single day. And at nighttime when the sun declination makes its way west towards Hawaii, we gotta let the burden of light not affect us. We can't be exposing ourselves to blue light all night long. To our phones, to our TVs, to our tablets. All of those things, even traffic lights and all those things, they're chaotic.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

They re, they don't allow certain productions of hormones happening like the main one, melatonin. Melatonin we now know is a more critical antioxidant than glutathione.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Than one of the most powerful tripeptides in the world. That Symbiotica of course has combined with PQQ and COQ10 in liposomal form, which I take three times a day, by the way.

[B]

That one changed me, man, because I have the MTHFR break. So taking glutathione was a game changer.

[A]

So 70% of the country has some variants of MTHFR gene mutation. And it just basically your body has a little bit of exhaustion or a little bit of a problem of, of being able to go into the methylation cycle, right? And so your detox pathways are a little bit harder to process. Your ability to cleanse cells are a little bit more difficult. So you need methylating things like glutathione, like our methyl B12 combo, right? Like our L methylfolate combo, like sulforaphane. That's why I eat broccoli sprouts. You know, these things are sulfur related and they help you. Melatonin. Melatonin is critical and it's critical for our bodies to endogenously produce it. It's not about taking an outside pill or an outside anything. And if you are not producing melatonin on the rise, because it happens on the rise and it's released at night when the sunlight is fleeting and you're looking at fire, you're looking at an incandescent bulb that or red light therapy or anything like that, that's when melatonin is released. If you hijack that and you do that for a certain period of time, you're way beyond a healthy experience and there's nothing you can do to circumvent that. And you're just running, running, running until you basically dry out electrically. And that's what they call the browning effect. And when you start oxidizing and browning, then all of a sudden you're, you know, you're basically in rapid age processing at that point. And you can veneer all you want, but you know, by the time you're in your 40s, you're in serious problem. Yeah, you have cognitive, you have cognitive issues. Chronic. Chronic fatigue is now a syndrome. It's actually. They call it chronic. Yeah. Cfs. What the hell? How did we. How do we create your exhaustion of your cells into a syndrome?

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

It's crazy. We've really, we've really. I always like to say we've forgotten what we've forgotten. Yeah, we're at that level of illusion.

[B]

Well, that's nuts, man. I know you got a lot of new products launching. We'll link the site below. What else is next for you, man? Where can people find you and everything?

[A]

What's next is we're coming out with a liposomal NAD trimethyl glycine trademark Lutemax combo, which is the most beautifying cell activation. I. I would say compound grouping ever. That comes out in the next couple months. Our liposomal creatine is coming out in January. It's. It's insane, you know, got so many epic events coming up. Gonna be going all over the world pretty soon.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

So excited about, you know, what's going on. You know, me and Shahab are always talking about what we're doing. We. Sometimes we have to step back and be like, holy, yeah, we're helping a lot of people. I was at F1 this weekend, and at least 50 people, as I'm walking around, came up to me and go, thank you. Thank you for what you're doing.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

You know, it never gets old for me is that kind of. I, I, I. That's part of my love language is those types of affirmations. I don't need to hear anything other than thank you for showing up. And so I'm hyped on that. And we're. We're going next level, you know, it's. It's on, dude.

[B]

Thanks for your time, man. That's. That was fun.

[A]

Appreciate it.

[B]

Yeah, check them out, guys. Check out Symbiotica. We'll link it below. Peace. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.