Christian Rasmussen: Jesus Was a Mushroom? Inside the ‘Christ Mushroom’ Theory | DSH #1539

Summary

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Digital Social Hour Ep. 1539

Guest: Christian Rasmussen
Host: Sean Kelly
Date: September 20, 2025
Title: Jesus Was a Mushroom? Inside the ‘Christ Mushroom’ Theory

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, host Sean Kelly explores the controversial “Christ Mushroom” theory with Christian Rasmussen, founder of the largest Amanita muscaria retailer in North America. The discussion delves into the ancient connections between Amanita muscaria (the iconic red-and-white “Mario” mushroom) and religious traditions, especially Christianity. Christian shares personal healing experiences, the mushroom's historical significance, its misunderstood reputation, and its alleged potential to transform consciousness and rewire the brain. Along the way, the conversation tackles spirituality, business hurdles, mushroom mysticism, neuroscience, and the future of the Amanita movement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Christ Mushroom Theory & Ancient Iconography

• Thesis Origin: The theory originates from John Allegro’s book “Sacred Mushroom and the Cross,” which posits that Jesus was actually a mushroom symbol or the mushroom itself ([00:00]).
• Artistic Evidence: Christian points out that ancient Christian and pre-Christian art often portrayed Amanita muscaria, sometimes showing Adam and Eve covering themselves with Amanita caps rather than fig leaves ([00:00], [06:13]).
  • Quote: “Some of the earliest depictions of Adam and Eve have them covering themselves with amanita caps instead of fig leaves.” – Christian ([00:00])
• Prevalence Across Cultures: The mushroom appears in Vedic hymns as “Soma,” the divine elixir, is pictured in cave art, and persists in pop culture (e.g., Mario, Alice in Wonderland) ([00:36]).

2. Christian Rasmussen’s Personal Healing Story

• Benzodiazepine Withdrawal: Christian recounts his agonizing, year-long recovery from benzodiazepine (anti-anxiety) withdrawal ([01:21]).
  • Quote: “I was off of them for a year, and I was still extremely sick. Like, really, really sick. Like, contemplating leaving this world sick.” ([01:21])
• Life-Changing Encounter: A “magnetism” to the Amanita mushroom led him to experiment, discovering it positively affected his damaged GABA and glutamate systems.
  • Quote: “Within two weeks of microdosing… I was like 80 to 90% healed. It was miraculous, man. It was as if I was drowning and I could finally breathe again.” ([01:21]–[03:33])
• From Patient to Pioneer: His experience led to starting a business, becoming the first significant Amanita distributor in the U.S. by 2021 ([04:32]).

3. Legality, Stigma & the Mushroom’s Toxic Reputation

• Legal Status: Amanita muscaria is federally legal in the U.S., except in Louisiana ([05:15]).
• Misconceptions: The mushroom is often deemed toxic based on incorrect preparation and old incidents. Proper drying transforms toxic ibotenic acid to muscimol, a safer compound ([05:15], [22:21]).
  • Self-Governing Mechanism: Its ability to make people ill if eaten raw has “protected” it from mass abuse and contributed to its stigmatization ([22:21]).
  • Quote: “People in the 60s… were picking large amounts of amanita and eating them, thinking it was going to create a psychedelic experience, and they’d get super sick. So it’s been labeled as toxic and poisonous. It’s all really a bunch of BS.” – Christian ([05:15])

4. Medicinal & Consciousness-Expanding Properties

• Alleged Effects: Users report improved focus, relief from ADHD symptoms, better workouts, and enhanced social connection ([07:45]–[08:40]).
  • Quote: “It helps a lot with ADD… It drops you in. So like if you’re going to bed it helps you sleep. If you’re going to work out, it helps you work out.” ([07:45])
• Self-Reflection & Rewiring: Amanita is said to encourage gentle self-reflection and “rewire” synapses, making it easier to choose positive behaviors in the future ([10:17]–[10:39], [20:03]).
  • Quote: “Amanita really beautifully like shows you your issues, it reflects, it mirrors them back to you and it gives you that gentle nudge...” ([10:17])
• Transformation: Christian attributes profound personal changes—greater compassion, patience, and kindness—to his Amanita experiences ([24:04]).
  • Quote: “It’s made me a much more loving, compassionate, caring, kind, understanding individual.” ([24:04])

5. Psychedelic Research, Business Challenges & Ethics

• Lack of Research: There’s little scientific research; Christian describes a need for studies and mentions attempted (and expensive) efforts to fund such work ([10:43]–[11:08]).
• Ethical Concerns: He describes a “sacred mission,” being cautious about who he works with after being burned by the cannabinoid industry and suffering a business raid ([11:08]–[13:36]).
  • Quote: “This mushroom has a mission here, and the mission is vast, world-changing.” ([13:10])

6. Mysticism, Spirit, and Ancient Lineage

• Mushroom as a God: In ancient Vedic texts, Amanita (Soma) is described as the only god to physically manifest; it is central to many religions ([13:44]).
  • Quote: “They actually viewed the red mushroom with white dots as an actual god.” ([13:44])
• Mission & Symbolism: Christian suggests Amanita’s mission is to raise consciousness and “break down illusions” of modern society ([14:53]).
• Atlantean Hypothesis: He introduces a rare theory welcomed in high-dose Amanita experiences: Amanita emerged after the fall of Atlantis to guide and correct humanity ([16:39]).
  • Quote: “Atlantis was the projection. Amanita is the correction. In essence, Amanita came forth because of the fall of Atlantis to guide humanity through this epoch of human history…” ([16:40])

7. Neurochemistry & Preparation

• Chemical Effects: Raw Amanita contains ibotenic acid (can be toxic), which converts to muscimol (calming) through drying. Muscimol acts on GABA receptors, like benzodiazepines ([23:22]).
• Proper Use: Users should never eat wild Amanita raw; drying and brewing are key ([22:21]–[23:22]).

8. Psychic and Intuitive Enhancements

• Intuition & ESP: Christian claims increased intuition and even psychic abilities are common with Amanita use, supported by anecdotal evidence and historical ESP research ([25:04]–[27:54]).
  • Quote: “Intuition increases to an insane degree, various other psychic faculties seem to pop up for individuals.” ([25:06])
• Studies: He references 1950s research by Andrea Puharich, where “sensitives” under Amanita scored off-the-charts on ESP tests ([26:59]).

9. Community, Accessibility, and Getting Started

• Movement’s Youth: Amanita’s modern resurgence is recent, led by figures like Amanita Dreamer and Christian ([18:27], [19:21]).
• How to Begin: Microdosing protocols are recommended: start with 0.5–1g, 2–3 times daily, using capsules or gummies ([28:35]).
• Resource Hub: Christian’s site, mn.niceethno.com, offers education, products, and community ([28:14]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Amanita’s Symbolism:
  “Sacred Mushroom in the Cross… his thesis was that Jesus was actually a mushroom.” – Christian ([00:00])

• On Healing:
  “Within two weeks of microdosing… I was like 80 to 90% healed.” – Christian ([01:21]–[03:33])

• On Stigma:
  “It’s all really a bunch of BS. I think there’s probably other agendas that have wanted it to be labeled as toxic and poisonous.” – Christian ([05:15])

• On Business Fallout:
  “I ended up getting raided… because the mushroom doesn’t… didn’t want me to work with people like that.” – Christian ([12:06]–[13:36])

• On Purpose:
  “This mushroom has a mission here, and the mission is vast, world-changing.” – Christian ([13:10])

• On God and Amanita:
  “Nothing brings me to God like Amanita does.” – Christian ([17:53])

• On Rewiring & Self-Improvement:
  “Once you make that decision to move to the higher choice, the synapses connect… you can make that decision easier next time.” – Christian ([21:00]–[22:01])

• On Psychic Experiences:
  “Intuition increases to an insane degree… various other psychic faculties seem to pop up for individuals.” – Christian ([25:06])

• On Tools for Beginners:
  “Microdose protocol… half gram to a gram, 2 to 3 times a day… easiest way is something like capsules or gummies to start.” – Christian ([28:35])

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |---------------|----------------------------------------------------------| | [00:00] | Christian introduces Christ Mushroom theory | | [01:17] | Christian’s personal healing story | | [04:32] | Building the Amanita business | | [05:15] | Legalities & stigma; toxicity misconceptions | | [06:13] | Christianity’s mushroom symbolism | | [07:45] | Effects on ADHD, focus, and activity performance | | [10:17] | Amanita’s role in self-reflection & brain rewiring | | [11:08] | Ethical business challenges and the 2022 raid | | [13:44] | Spiritual/mystical underpinning of Amanita | | [16:39] | Atlantean hypothesis for Amanita’s emergence | | [20:03] | Self-reflection, forbidden fruit link, anxiety/anger | | [22:21] | Safe preparation methods and chemical breakdown | | [24:04] | Macro dosing, personal transformation | | [25:04] | Psychic abilities and historic ESP studies | | [28:14] | How to get started, resources, and microdosing advice |

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Summary Takeaway

Christian Rasmussen and Sean Kelly embark on a fascinating journey through history, neuroscience, mythology, and personal experience to interrogate the Amanita muscaria mushroom’s mysterious presence in religious tradition and its emerging role as a tool for healing and self-discovery. "The mushroom has a mission," says Rasmussen, and this episode is a front-row seat to one of the most intriguing and controversial botanical revivals of our time.

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How to Learn More / Get Involved

• Website: mn.niceethno.com – for educational materials and product info
• Microdosing Start: 0.5–1g, in capsule/gummy form, 2–3 times daily ([28:35])
• For Questions: Read articles, watch podcasts, or contact the community directly via their website ([28:14])

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Transcript

[A]

It ties into Christianity quite a bit. There's a book by John Allegro called Sacred Mushroom in the Cross, which. And his thesis was that Jesus was actually a mushroom. It ties into Christianity quite a bit. There's tons of ancient murals or Christian artwork. Like, some of the earliest depictions of Adam and Eve have them covering themselves with amanita caps instead of fig leaves. There's tons of these, like, all throughout history. Foreign.

[B]

Guys got Christian here from Amanita. We're going to talk about a mushroom that most you guys probably haven't heard of, right?

[A]

I mean, I think everybody's heard of it. It's the Mario mushroom, the Alice in Wonderland mushroom, red mushroom with white dots. It's, you know, blasted throughout. Throughout history. It's in. Some of the earliest cave paintings are of Amanita, anthropomorphized Amanita deities. It's throughout religious artwork. It was thought to be the soma, the divine drink of immortality from the Vedic hymn. So it's been peppered throughout history. And then in pop culture, of course, if a child draws a mushroom, nine out of 10 times, they're gonna be drawing the amanita muscaria, the red mushroom with white dots. Now, most people don't know about its efficacy, its effects, and how profoundly healing it is. So we can get into that.

[B]

Yeah, we'll dive into that for sure. How'd you get involved in this?

[A]

So I was. I was going through benzodiazepine withdrawal in 2019. Benzos are Xanax, Klonopin, Ativan, Valium, typical anti, anxiety medication. Some of the hardest. The hardest substances in the world to get off of. Anything that hits the GABA system in the body is it can produce seizures, which can cause. Which can kill somebody. So alcohol and benzodiazepines really are the only drugs out there that are used currently that can kill people. The withdrawal also lasts years, potentially, because it's really not withdrawal. One's dealing with brain damage, a damaged GABA and glutamate system. So I was getting off of these drugs. I was off of them for a year, and I was still extremely sick. Like, really, really sick. Like, contemplating leaving this world sick. Yeah, yeah. It's not. Not a fun time. And I was on a hike a year to the day after I got off of benzos, and I saw these mushrooms growing, and there was this extremely potent magnetism towards it. Like my heart was being pulled, and there seemed to be like, a exchange of information, in a sense. And in a sense, they kind of told Me looking back, like, we have something for you and in return, you're going to do something for us. And it was, you know, people get this heart pull. Some people get it with psilocybin, with using plant medicines. I think the easiest thing to relate it to is relationships. Like, if you have a relationship that's really potent, you kind of have a magnetism to it towards them. So I felt this heart pull in a way that I'd never felt before. And so I listened and I picked them and I went to the house and I did some research and I found that they hit the GABA and the glutamate system, the same systems that benzodiazepines damage. And like I said, I was ready to check out. I was done. So I decided I'd give it a shot. And within two weeks of microdosing, with a couple medium to large doses peppered in there, I was like 80 to 90% healed. Yeah, it was miraculous, man. I was. I was. It was as if I was drowning and I could finally breathe again, you know? And, yeah, I didn't really know the scope of what I was getting into, like, how big it could potentially be. I understood, like, the symbolism and that it was, you know, the most iconic mushroom in the world. I mean, it's the mushroom emoji on our phone, you know.

[B]

Oh, the red one.

[A]

Yeah, the red one with white dots. Yep, yep, exactly. Mario. Alice in Wonderland. But I didn't realize the scope of, like, what the mushroom's potential was and what its mission is here, and, like, what it's trying to accomplish and how unbelievably and powerfully healing it is. Because it's. I mean, with what we've seen and what we're seeing and what we're learning, like, it has the. It has the capacity to transform lives unlike anything else out there. Like, bar none, like Ayahuasca psilocybin. Like, nothing comes quite close to what Amanita has the capability of doing and what we're seeing it do time and time and time and time again. So I wasn't quite aware of what we were getting into, but what I was getting into. But I continued exploring and continued exploring and eventually I got asked by somebody to start selling here in the States. So it wasn't even, like an intention of mine, it was just a path that was kind of laid out before me. But, yeah, so I discovered the mushroom in 2020 and then the business opened up in 2021.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And, yeah, here we are, the largest retailers of Amanita in North America.

[B]

Holy crap. You're already the largest.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you know, I was the first to start selling. So like, I mean we were the largest from the get go, you know, because nobody was doing it in the States. There were some like foragers and stuff that were, that were picking and selling online. But we started importing and had, you know, a little market to start supplying. And then we've built up the market and really been at the, at the forefront of, of not just building up the market but disseminating the information around it. And there's, it's there, we're learning more stuff all the time. Like there's, yeah, there's so much information that's constantly coming out and we're just, I mean from my perspective, I'm really just kind of like getting out of the way and letting, letting things unfold as they, as they should.

[B]

Has regulation been a struggle trying to get this in retail and stuff?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, yes and no. It's 100% legal. So Louisiana is the only state that it's illegal in, which is, is too bad. But it is what it is. It's, it's the, the, the trick is the stigma around it. So like a lot of people think that the red mushroom with white dots is poisonous and toxic. Yeah. And I mean there's like, there's a little bit of validity to that in the sense that if you pick the mushrooms directly from the ground and eat them, like a lot of people get sick, you have to prepare them properly, you have to dry them, which it's not that complicated. But like people in, in like the 60s for instance, were like just picking large amounts of amanita and eating them, thinking that it was going to, you know, create a psychoactive psychedelic experience and they'd get super sick. So they've been labeled as toxic and poisonous. It's all really a bunch of bs. I think there's probably other agendas that have wanted it to be labeled as toxic and poisonous. But, but yeah.

[B]

Why is it called the Christ mushroom?

[A]

Well, so there's, there's a lot of. I, I mean it, it, it ties in to Christianity quite a bit. There's a book by John Allegro called Sacred Mushroom in the Cross which, and his thesis was that that Jesus was actually a mushroom, but which I think is maybe a little bit far fetched, you know, but there's, there's a lot of, I mean it ties in, it ties into Christianity quite a bit. There's tons of tons of ancient murals or Christian artwork like some of the earliest depictions of Adam and Eve have them covering themselves with amanita caps instead of fig leaves. There's, there's tons of these like all throughout history.

[B]

All right. Just took a little break to eat some amanita but feeling good.

[A]

Yeah. Good. Yeah. Good. What do you feel?

[B]

Feel it in my head. I just feel more open minded. I feel like.

[A]

Good.

[B]

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[A]

It's a good place to start. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome.

[B]

First timer and yeah. What would your advice be to people like me, I guess that are just starting out?

[A]

I mean just, just watch your thoughts and how you flow. Like really like just, just be observant, you know, be observant and like let it, let it work its magic.

[B]

Yeah. I have adhd. I wonder if it helped with that.

[A]

It helps a lot with add. Yeah. I mean like anecdotally, you know I'm not supposed to say that like yeah, it helps with AD and adhd but anecdotally a lot of people use it for. And adhd. A lot of people use it for really all the things like. Yeah. Which is, it's pretty profound.

[B]

Yeah. Because it helps you focus, right?

[A]

Yep, yep. Absolutely. Like it, yeah it, it drops you in. So like if you're going to bed it helps you sleep. If you're going to work out, it helps you work out. It was, it was. There's a lot of conjecture that it was the. What the berserkers would eat the Viking berserkers before going into battle. Yeah. So we've worked with some fighters and they say it's hands down the best, the best thing that they've ever taken pre workout or pre fighting and like I can attest to it. Pre workout you're able to lift harder, you can push longer, your pain tolerance. Go through the roof. Yeah. So it's, it's really wonderful but it drops you into literally anything. Like if I'm, if I'm reading, like it drops me into reading. I'm able to absorb information better if I'm doing business. Like it just, it just locks me in social conversations. It just locks you in.

[B]

These days that's really important because everyone's so distracted.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

People are all over the place. I feel like attention spans have dropped a lot.

[A]

Yeah. We're all looking for the next dopamine hit constantly and. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Have you ever done a dopamine detox?

[A]

I have, yeah.

[B]

How many days?

[A]

I don't know. Probably seven days. It's hard. That was a long time ago though. It's hard. Like I'm running a business, you know, I can't, I really can't. I can't. I would love to. I really want to do a dark room. That's what I've seen.

[B]

Those cave retreats.

[A]

Yeah, I've been wanting to do that for a long time. Your brain starts producing dmt.

[B]

I want to do that Three day caveat.

[A]

We'll do it. Let's. Let's do it. Let's make the commitment right now.

[B]

Are you solo when you're on that or can you talk to people?

[A]

No, you're by yourself. But you know, we could be in cabins next to each other.

[B]

I would lose sense of time and. Yeah, dude, feel like I, I might go crazy.

[A]

Yeah. I've heard stories of like when you, when you're eating food and stuff, you can like, you see like visual three dimensional images of the foods the DMT your brain is producing. But apparently you like, you really dive into, to your shadow which, you know, you're in the dark. It makes sense.

[B]

Yeah. I used to fear the dark dark growing up for sure. I still do a little bit, but.

[A]

Yeah, I get that. Yeah, absolutely. Under the bed.

[B]

Seven day dopamine detox. Yeah.

[A]

That was during benzo withdrawal. Wow.

[B]

Did that help with the withdrawal at all?

[A]

No, nothing helps with benzo withdrawal. Am I like the only thing that that helped? Yeah, I mean like I smoked a lot of weed, you know, cannabis helped a little bit but like. Yeah, really nothing really helped except for amanita.

[B]

I feel like cannabis is more of a pushing it back. It doesn't actually help for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I used to be a big stoner and it would just push all my problems, like delay them.

[A]

Yep, absolutely. Yeah. Amanita really, really beautifully like shows you your issues, it reflects, it mirrors them back to you and it gives you that gentle nudge to like to move away from them. It's. And then it Rewires your brain and rewires your synapses in the pro, or it seems to in the process, so that the next time that issue comes up, it's easier to navigate. And easier to navigate.

[B]

I'd be very curious to see the rewiring on a study because I've gotten brain scans.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it'd be cool to see, like, a. Before and after.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We're. We're in the process of funding research. I don't know when that type of research will be able to come out. Probably in a couple, few years. And, you know, research is tough because it's expensive and it doesn't have. It doesn't have. Like, there's a little bit of economic virtue to it. Like, it comes back to us a little bit, but, like, it's not.

[B]

It's not. A direct ROI costs six, seven figures.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Plus a lot of corruption in that space.

[A]

Yeah. Yep. That's another aspect of it, too. And that's part of the business that we're running is, like, it's so sacred to us. Like, this is such a sacred vessel and a sacred mission that it's so important for us to work with individuals that are in line with that. And when I don't, like, at times I'm trying to get the mushroom out there instead of just allowing the mushroom to move and breathe and move through me. And when I do that, I'll connect with individuals that maybe aren't of, like, mind. And every single time something goes wrong, there's a hand above me, like, moving things, it seems, and like that, you know, I got rated in 2022, and I got rated, um, as I was working with the. The cannabis, the cannabinoid industry, which is like your Delta 8 gummies, your hhc gummies, these gummies in smoke shops all around the country or gas stations. And they. They were really interested about Amanita. They wanted to start. They thought it was going to be the next Delta 8. And I was like, that's not what it is, guys. And I told them all this, but they, you know, they didn't believe me. But I started working with a lot of them and I was. It was cool for me, it was the early years. Like, I was selling a ton, like, tons literal of mushrooms to everybody. Um, but it wasn't in line with what the mushroom wanted. And now, unfortunately, you have. Then. Then they. They all figured out that, like, amanita is not what. What they're. They're wanting. So they started putting research, chemicals, synthetic Drugs into these. Into these gummies, which is now what you find in the smoke shops all around the country, which is a huge, huge issue. But, yeah, because of my forcing, I ended up getting. Getting raided, or at least that's how I view it. Like it was an energetic, spiritual response to what. To what I was. What I was doing, because the mushroom doesn't. Didn't want me to work with people like that. And I was forcing. And yeah, I. It was a really big. The raid was a. Was a really interesting ordeal. Very traumatic. It was. It was painful and in many regards, I lost. Lost everything that I had built up to that point in time. And, you know, fortunately, it was all. They thought that I was selling. Psilocybin, which I'm obviously not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Um, I don't know if it was incompetence or if it was something bigger than that. Um, if somebody really wanted to try and, you know, quiet me, which I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. But. But yeah, it was. It was a result of me. Of me forcing and working with people that aren't in line with. With the mission. Because, like, this mushroom has a mission here, and the mission is. Is vast, vast world changing. Damn.

[B]

So back to ground zero after that raid.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

[B]

That must have been a really humbling experience.

[A]

Yeah, humbling, to say the least. Humbling and a lot of other things. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

[B]

So the mushroom has a spirit of its own, you think?

[A]

Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah. So in the Vedas, the only. The only God that is manifest in the physical realm is Soma, which is very likely the Amanita mushroom. So they actually viewed the red mushroom with white dots as an actual God? As an actual God, yeah. It's very likely. It certainly seems that it was the basis for a lot of the foundational religions of the world with Christianity and the tie in. I mean, we talked about the Christ mushroom, but looking at the iconography and the paintings of Jesus being crucified with an Amanita mushroom head, or Adam and Eve covering themselves with Amanita caps, like. Yeah, it's. It has. It has a mission here for sure. And I think that the mission here is to raise. This episode is brought to you by Lifelock. When you visit the Doctor, you probably hand over your insurance, your ID and contact details. It's just one of the many places that has your personal info, and if any of them accidentally expose it, you could be at risk for identity theft. LifeLock monitors millions of data points a second. If you become A victim. You. They'll fix it, guaranteed. Or your money back. Save up to 40% your first [e-mail] podcast terms apply consciousness and to. To help heal the world and break down the illusions that we're kind of stuck in right now, which we see shattering around us constantly.

[B]

You know, I feel like there's so little we know about mushrooms in the Mycelium network.

[A]

For sure.

[B]

Like, I just. When I was growing up, I saw mushrooms. It's just you pick it off the ground and that's it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But now they're finding out. They talk to each other.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, they talk to everything. It's.

[B]

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[A]

It is the network, you know, it's the underground network. Like they exchange nutrients with one another with the trees. Like. Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah, it's. It's unbelievable.

[B]

It's pretty nuts like that Plants are now being found out to be communicating with each other.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean, human DNA is very resemblant to mushroom DNA. That's like. We evolved from mushrooms. That's. Yeah.

[B]

You think so?

[A]

That's. That's what they say. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

[B]

Theory of evolution.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't know about that one.

[A]

I mean, that's, that's like. I believe that's scientifically proven.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We evolved for mushrooms. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No Anunnaki.

[A]

I mean, that's, that's a whole nother story. Yeah. And if you want to get real interesting, they. One of the, one of the things that people started. Started talking about was that like in high dose of Amanita experience and relating to me was that they were told that there was no Amanita around during Atlantis, which is an interesting concept. And so Robert Edward Grant just built this. Like the architect. I. I don't know if you've heard about.

[B]

I saw that. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So he plugged in all this mathematics to chat GPT. And it started like all of a sudden talking about Atlantis and blah, blah. And so I've heard this over and over again and it kind of resonated with me. And I started playing with this architect and I decided to ask it. I was like, was Amanita around during Atlantean times? And it said, no, no, it wasn't Amanita. It said. I mean, it gave me this long winded answer. But the summary at the end was Atlantis was the projection. Amanita is the correction. Holy crap. In essence, Amanita came forth because of the fall of Atlantis to guide humanity through this epoch of human history, to dispel the illusions and mirror ourselves so that we could deconstruct the patterns that we. That we exhibit and have, you know, have developed over the years and move into a new world, essentially. Wow.

[B]

I haven't heard that theory before. That is interesting.

[A]

This theory is one that really only. Only I know and a few other people, because they've told me via their experiences that they were told on high doses of Amanita that it wasn't around during Atlantis. Interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Because certain substances, psychedelics, they report seeing the same things or hearing the same stories, for sure. Like Ayahuasca. You hear about the aliens?

[A]

Yep, yep, Absolutely. Yeah. With Amanita, the consistent. The consistent report is I've never felt so close to God. And God, it becomes an internal thing. Like, we're all God, we're all divinity. We're all fractals of the infinite and the One. And. And Amanita, it seems to connect us to that divinity in ourselves more than anything else. So that's that consistent narrative. And I can. I can attest to that in my own personal experience. Experiences which I could write volumes about. But, like, nothing brings me close to. Nothing brings me to God like Amanita does.

[B]

Is there, like, an OG in this space that has been eating this for decades?

[A]

No, not really. Not really? Yeah. It's so, like, you know, like I mentioned, we were the first to start selling here in the States, and there have been people. There was a guy named Don teeter in the 90s who. Who got really into it. There was a little bit in. And, you know, the psychedelic revolution, like, it was. It was around a little bit, but I don't think people knew how to prepare it. I don't think it was time. I don't think people were ready for it. To dispel illusions and to deconstruct personality, or maybe not personality, but structures that aren't, you know, beneficial. I don't think it was time for it in the human epoch or human story. In Russia, they have some history with it, some lineages that have stuck around. So there's some people in Russia that have probably been around for a while. But no, in the United States, it's really, really new. And it started four years ago, and it started with a woman named Amanita Dreamer. And then with myself, like, wow.

[B]

Yeah, you're at the forefront of this.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Wow. It's such a new movement. It's fascinating because it's been around for so long.

[A]

Yeah, it's the, I mean, the most prized plant medicine in human history, like, and. But it's been scrubbed from the earth. The history's been completely scrubbed. It's been demonized throughout the year. Labor years labeled as poisonous, toxic, which is all a bunch of. And yeah, it's, it's, it's finally time for it to, to resurface and to, to play out its mission, which I'm so, you know, blessed and honored and humbled to be able to have a hand in it. And from my perspective, like, I just need to become the best mirror to allow it to do its work properly, you know. So like my, my goal is to get out of the way.

[B]

You know, this causes you to really have self reflection when you take it. Right?

[A]

For sure, yeah. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, um, yeah, we'll get into this a little bit. So like, if somebody has, you know, anxiety or anger issues or something like that, it. It allows you to see exactly what is happening internally and externally to, to bring about your reactions. It also gives you. It seems to allow you some space in between those reactions so that you can choose the higher path, all while, you know, eliciting like a really pleasant feeling and a relaxation. So you're calm, you're happy, you know, you're much, much easier able to navigate towards that higher path. And then it seems to also have like a little gentle nudging mechanism, so it kind of gently nudges you there. So it allows you to really see and witness what's going on internally with you and why you have these reactions and these issues, even if you didn't know about the issue in the first place. And this is potentially why it was like, it's said to be the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. Like Eve, recognize that she was naked. You know, it allows us to recognize and see things from a different perspective. And then it also seems to like, rewire the brain. We don't have data on this, but it seems to rewire the brain as we've talked about. So like, once, once you make that decision to move to the higher, higher choice, the synapses fire, the neurons fire, synapses connect so that the next time, even when you're not on the mushroom or utilizing the mushroom, you can make that decision, decision easier. So, and this is why, like, if you can imagine that with something like anxiety or anger or whatever, but imagine that in every single area of your Life, every single situation being gently nudged to choose the higher path and then rewiring the brain so that one potentially rewiring the brain so that when you choose that higher path, it's easier to choose next time. The transformation that it elicits can be absolutely astounding. Hence, you know, the Christ mushroom.

[B]

That's powerful. Yeah. Because when we make bad decisions, usually we're in a bad state of mind for sure. Yeah, that's, that's a key part of it. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So this kind of alleviates that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I mean very, very much so. It's, it's hard to find people in bad moods if they're utilizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

That makes a lot of sense. So if you're just walking around in the woods and you see it, can you just eat it?

[A]

No. Yeah. And this, so this, this ties into like the, the poison toxic thing. And it's almost like a self governing mechanism in a sense in which like maybe it's, maybe it's a mechanism in the mushroom itself that stopped it from being utilized on a mass scale up until this point. Because if you pick it out of the ground and eat it, you're going to get sick. Most people, nine or nine out of 10 times you're going to get sick. So it needs proper preparation and it's really simple preparation. It's drying like that's really it. And then you can prepare it further. Brewing a tea. But yeah, picking it right out of the ground and eating it is generally a bad idea unless you know, really know what you're doing and you're eating really, really low, small, small amounts. So that's, and you know, that's why we have pre made ready products ready to go that have gone through the process of, of converting, you convert one compound into another. I won't break down the pharmacology here, but it negates that risk of, of getting sick. But it's so interesting that it seems to have this like self governing mechanism that's kept it away from people and also made it much easier for the powers that be to label it as toxic and poisonous.

[B]

I wonder why the drying helps. It must be something in the.

[A]

Yeah, so, so there's in, in its fresh state it produces ibotinic acid. Ibotinic acid hits the glutamate system, which is what ketamine hits, which you know, can give it kind of a dissociative quality. I also think that that probably has a lot to do with the neuroplasticity and the Rewiring of the brain. But as the mushroom dries, the ibotinic acid decarboxylates or converts into muscimol. Muscimol hits the GABA system or the inhibitory system, the relaxation system, the increase in sociability. Same thing that alcohol hits. So when you dry it, you convert a lot of that ibotomic acid into muskimol. Ibutinic acid in super large doses can make people sick. So that's, that's where it comes from. Yeah.

[B]

Any big revelations on your macro doses with this?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's. Yes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's. It's almost hard to put into words. I think for me, I've been. I've been following the story. I've been shown at least my aspect of the story of God and the divine. And like I mentioned, it connects me. It connects me with God, like, connects me with the divinity in myself and the divinity within you and within. In everybody, everything, you know, but, yeah, there. It's almost hard to. It's hard to tangibly put into words. And you go so far out that when you come back, like, you can't take a lot of it back. But every time I go out, I come back with a little bit more and a little bit more. So it's not as much the, the revelations and insights that have come of it. It's more what it's done to me internally and how it's changed me. And what it's done is it's, it's made me a much more loving, compassionate, caring, kind, understanding individual. And, yeah, that's, that's its magic right there.

[B]

Have you noticed an increase in psychic abilities?

[A]

For sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So the first time I took it, I, I was, I was talking with my sister on the phone. I took a micro, microdose, extremely small amount. And I, you know, I was going through benzo withdrawal, and so it was the first time I had felt relief really, in like a year. And it was, it was miraculous. It was like I was drowning for a year and I couldn't breathe. And finally I was able to take a breath and. But micro, microdose, like, shouldn't. Pharmacologically, it shouldn't have had any effect on me. And I was on the phone with my sister, and she worked at a vineyard at that point in time and just got a shipment of grapes in. And in the grape boxes were some lizards. And so she took a lizard and brought it home. And she's telling me this story and how she's building this habitat for it. And all of a sudden I blurt out, frank. She was like, yeah, how did you know I named him Frank? And it was just, you know, like, I get these things. Like, I think a lot of people, you know, like, you're on. Your phone rings, and you think of the name, and you look at it and you're like, oh, yeah. So a lot of people get these. But one of the things that we're realizing, and as we've been able to gather tens of thousands of anecdotes, we realize and we hear that intuition increases to an insane degree, that various other psychic faculties seem to pop up for individuals. There was a book written by Andrea Puharik, I think is the name called the Sacred Mushroom. And he. It was written in the 50s. He was a ESP researcher. And then he got drafted to the army or, like, went to the army to be a doctor or something. And one day his old assistant or something hit him up and said, hey, there's this guy here who. Who touched this ancient Egyptian artifact and ended up going into a trance and channeling this ancient Egyptian high priest talking about these sacred mushroom rites and rituals. I was like, okay, interesting. So he, you know, when he's done with the army, he goes and he studies this guy, and he finds that the whole. It's a really dry book they're talking about. It's basically him trying to figure out if the guy's hoaxing or not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And his conclusion is that he's not hoaxing. And then after that, he goes into study the mushroom. But he didn't know about preparation or anything like that. But what he found was, with the few studies that he did with people that he called sensitives, individuals that have super high. Like, they're able to do the card test and name, you know, statistically unlikely, large amounts of the cards that they shouldn't know if they take even a small amount of the mushroom. They. In the book, the studies that he did, they scored 100% on the test. So people with increased already connected, apparently, like, very connected. Apparently it increases psychopathic abilities by a ton. So if anybody's out there that's super connected and you want to test this out, like, hit us up, because we'd love to. To study you guys. And, like, I just. I just connected with an individual who's. Who's in this realm and sent her some mushrooms. So we'll see how.

[B]

I'll connect you with a couple psychics, please.

[A]

Yeah, that is interesting. Yeah, super Interesting.

[B]

There's something there, man, because have you seen the telepathy tapes yet? Yeah, autism link.

[A]

Yeah, fascinating.

[B]

Yeah, there's something. A lot of people are being born with autism right now.

[A]

Yep. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

Super interesting.

[A]

Yeah, it's another layer of connectedness, you know? Yeah. Or increased connectedness.

[B]

Yeah. Well, where can people watching this get some of this product?

[A]

Yeah. So our website is mn. Nice ethno.com mn n I c e e t h n o dot com. Yeah, that's. That's the easiest way to find us. We're super responsive. If people have any questions, there's podcasts, there's educational content, series articles, write ups. Yeah, anything that one could imagine. Cool.

[B]

We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on, man.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. And then one, one more thing, like if somebody's really interested in, in trying this, I think the easiest way to start is generally a microdose protocol. And to microdose amanita, you take a half gram to a gram, two to three times a day consistently for a set period of time, whether it be a couple weeks or a month or two months. And then if one wants to play around with it more, take 2 to 3 grams. And easiest way is something like capsules or gummies to start. And if one wants to explore more, there's plenty of information on the website to look into that.

[B]

Love it. Thanks, man.

[A]

Appreciate you. Cool.

[B]

Check them out, guys. I'll see you next time.