Christian WARNS Me That My Psychic is Doing Something Much Darker Than I Think | DSH #1984

Summary

DIGITAL SOCIAL HOUR EPISODE SUMMARY
Episode: "Christian WARNS Me That My Psychic is Doing Something Much Darker Than I Think" (DSH #1984)
Date: May 28, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Brian DeVilla (Christian entrepreneur, host of "The Way with Brian DeVilla") and Ryan (frequent guest, podcast producer)

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Overview

This episode dives deep into faith, religious denominations, alternative spiritualities like psychics and reincarnation, and the intersection of technology, family, and personal struggles. Ryan discusses his experiences with psychics and his evolving beliefs, while Brian offers candid Christian perspectives, often warning against spiritual practices outside Christianity and their potential dangers. Alongside this, they openly discuss the challenges of modern faith, family life, AI, education, and money, punctuated by memorable anecdotes and genuine vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spiritual Experiences: Psychics, Reincarnation, and Christianity

• Ryan shares past life reading experiences: Ryan had recurring heart palpitations relieved after a psychic claimed to clear ‘past-life trauma’ (00:00–00:10, 18:13–18:50).
• Skepticism versus Faith: Brian labels such psychic activity and channeling as ‘demonic’, drawing a hard line between biblical faith and alternative spirituality (00:11, 21:35–22:09).
• Debate on Channeling: Discussion of people who channel ‘entities’ or claim to speak to God; Brian insists only experiences through Jesus are valid, everything else is dangerous (21:09–22:09).
• Quote:
  • Ryan: "I've had a few of them on the show...I got anxiety from that. It's just like, I don't know. Look into channeling. It's a weird one." (21:14–21:23)
  • Brian: "That's crazy. Yeah, that's—I would call that demonic." (21:35)

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2. Reading the Bible: Interpretation and Guidance

• Journey through Scripture: Ryan is rediscovering Christianity by listening to the New Testament, feeling a sense of peace, but wrestling with literal vs. metaphorical readings (00:36–05:05).
• The Role of Parables: They discuss Jesus’ parables, with Brian emphasizing the importance of context (01:28–02:48).
• Literal vs. Parable Debate: Ryan admits to logical struggles discerning what’s historical and what’s symbolic. Brian clarifies that miracles, death, and resurrection are core, historical events (03:26–04:56).
• Importance of Old Testament for Context: Brian highlights how prophecies in the Old Testament give depth to New Testament accounts (04:10–05:45).
• Notable Quote:
  • Ryan: "It makes me think because I'm pretty logical. It's like, how is he doing this, you know?" (01:19)
  • Brian: "But the healings, him walking on water, his death and resurrection—those are like, literal things." (03:33)

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3. Christian Denominations and Beliefs

• Explaining Denominations: Brian breaks down the "big three": Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, recounting their historical splits (07:02–08:30).
• Catholicism’s Scale: Catholics are the largest Christian group globally, much larger than often acknowledged in the U.S. (08:41–09:22).
• The Eucharist:
  • Crucial for Orthodox and Catholics: "Their eyes light up," says Brian. It's seen as literally the body and blood of Christ (12:11–15:47).
  • Profound rituals around the Eucharist, including adoration and a high degree of reverence.
• Notable Quote:
  Brian: "If you were to drop it, like, the whole church would, like, stop." (14:29)

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4. Faith, Reincarnation, and New Age Practices

• Ryan’s Openness: Past spiritual guests and psychics have influenced Ryan’s openness to concepts like reincarnation (16:46–18:13).
• Christian Counterpoint: Brian adamantly rejects reincarnation, emphasizing the authority and singularity of the Bible (22:13–24:23).
• False Prophets and Alternative Teachings: Brian is explicit: Anyone teaching or channeling outside of the Gospel of Jesus is a false prophet or, at worst, in contact with demonic entities (24:03–25:09, 41:06).
• Islam and Christianity:
  • Brian claims Islam is a "false religion," says Muhammad is a false prophet, and emphasizes historical and scriptural contradictions (11:09, 25:09–28:16, 35:19).
  • He challenges why Muslims accept parts of Jesus' story without his divinity.

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5. Christian Persecution: Past and Present

• Historical and Modern Persecution: Early Christians, including most disciples and popes, were violently martyred. This pattern of persecution continues today in places like Nigeria and China (33:13–37:23).
• Notable Quote and Moment:
  • Brian: "In Nigeria right now, Christians are dying right now...Just for being Christian. That's why I say Islam is a false religion." (35:19–35:24)
  • Discussion of ISIS beheadings: "There were 21 men that were brought out on camera and got their heads cut off because they refused to deny that Jesus Christ was God." (35:43–36:15)

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6. Faith, Family, and Wealth

• Ordering Priorities: Brian shares his approach: Faith, then family, then finance. Ryan admits his priorities often skew toward work, impacting family life (50:36–51:29).
• Relationship Growth: Brian advises on "spiritually leading" one’s family, importance of shared faith, church community, spiritual mentorship, and regular "date nights" for marital health (51:41–53:01).
• Notable Quote:
  • Brian: "We went through a rough patch in our marriage, and when we started doing date nights, that was like, literal game changer." (51:59)

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7. AI, Truth, and the Future

• Debate on AI:
  • Ryan raises skepticism: AI might obscure 'objective truth' due to deepfakes and information gatekeeping.
  • Brian is optimistic: AI will clarify and democratize information, including religious truths (40:33–43:44).
• Education and AI:
  • Discuss the value of school, public school quality, and whether dropping out for entrepreneurship (especially with AI) is wise (46:00–47:56).

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8. Struggles, Testimonies, and the Church’s Role

• Personal Testimony: Brian describes success failing to satisfy him—he felt "extremely depressed" despite material achievement, and found healing and purpose in church (58:23–60:00).
• Miracle Stories: He shares that prayer led him to quit pornography and anxiety, claiming to have witnessed healings, including for animals (60:00–61:22).
• Purpose of Church: Emphasizes church is essential for accountability, spiritual mentorship, and overcoming shame, despite negative media portrayals (61:32–63:36).
• Mega Churches Debate: Acknowledges scandals but highlights the disproportionate media focus on a handful of bad actors among hundreds of thousands of churches (62:07–63:36).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

• On Psychic Experiences:
  • "I did this past life reading...She claims to have cleared that past life trauma. And I haven't had any heart palpitations since." – Ryan (00:00)
  • "I would call that demonic." – Brian (00:11)
• On Bible Interpretation:
  • "I feel good when I'm listening to it. I feel a sense of peace." – Ryan (00:59)
  • "You can interpret it, but you can also just lie." – Brian (39:56)
• On Christian Martyrdom Today:
  • "In 2026, Christians are still dying for their faith in China." – Brian (36:47)
• On Family and Priorities:
  • "Do you put money over your family?... in time, yes. I probably work 60 to 80 hours a week." – Ryan (51:09–51:29)
• Miracle Testimonies:
  • "I saw an animal that had a tumor... I seen someone pray for the tumor, and I seen that tumor go away. I swear with my own eyes." – Brian (61:14)
• On the Need for Church:
  • "The enemy likes to make people think church is not important." – Brian (61:22)
• On AI and Truth:
  • "With AI, the truth is going to be more clear." – Brian (40:59)
  • "I'm worried...they become so regulated where they kind of gatekeep certain information." – Ryan (43:25)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Past lives and psychic readings: 00:00–00:11; 18:13–18:50
• Bible reading and interpretation: 00:36–05:45
• Denominations & Eucharist: 07:02–15:47
• Channeling, New Age, and dangers: 21:09–22:09
• Debate on Islam and Christianity: 25:09–28:16; 35:19–36:15
• Christian persecution discussion: 33:10–37:23
• Faith/family/wealth priorities: 50:36–51:29; 51:41–53:01
• Personal testimony and church: 58:23–61:22
• Miracle stories: 60:00–61:22
• AI debate: 40:33–43:44

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Tone & Style

The conversation is open, candid, sometimes tense but curious and respectful, with both hosts probing each other's worldviews. Brian is unapologetically direct in his faith-based warnings, while Ryan offers genuine curiosity and relatability, particularly about struggles with faith, marriage, and technology. The dialogue is marked by Brian’s passionate advocacy for "objective truth" through Christianity and Ryan's openness to questioning and learning.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a highly engaged exploration of faith versus alternative spiritualities, the beauty and complexity of Christian tradition, real-life stories of struggle and renewal, the role (and dangers) of AI in shaping truth, and practical talk about family, marriage, and legacy. With memorable quotes and honest storytelling, it provides food for thought for Christians, seekers, and skeptics alike.

Transcript

[Ryan]

Did this past life reading. She said I was basically a stressed out sailor in a past life businessman and died from a heart attack. She claims to have cleared that past life trauma. And I haven't had any heart palpitations since.

[Brian]

I would call that demonic. I believe that Muslims have been deceived by Muhammad and Muhammad is a false prophet. In Nigeria right now, Christians are dying just for being Christian. That's why I say Islam is a

[Ryan]

false religion and they're being killed by Islamists.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Ryan]

Okay, guys, got Brian on the show. Just went on his show with Ryan. It was a blast. We've been talking more and more as I just started reading the Bible again. So thank you.

[Brian]

Yeah, I'm excited to talk to you about that.

[Ryan]

This is the man who inspired me. There we go, reading the Bible again.

[Brian]

So how'd that go? How have we been going?

[Ryan]

I finished Matthew and I think I'm on John now. I do the audio version.

[Brian]

Okay. Yeah, the audio makes it a lot easier.

[Ryan]

It's cool, man. I feel good when I'm listening to it. Okay. You know, like, I feel a sense of peace.

[Brian]

What have you, like, learned so far?

[Ryan]

Learned? I mean, a lot of anecdotal stories, I feel like. Because they're talking about Jesus through their words.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

But it is pretty impressive hearing some of the things he's. He's done also.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

You know? Yeah, yeah, it is. It makes me think because I'm pretty logical. It's like, how is he doing this? You know?

[Brian]

Yeah. What about. Did you enjoy any of the parables?

[Ryan]

I don't know if I got to listen to those yet. What are those?

[Brian]

They're kind of like stories. So he'll abuse, like, the father and the son. So like the prodigal son. So father has two sons. One of them wants his inheritance and he gets it, and then he goes off and blows it, and then he just feels so much shame and father still takes him back even after, like, the son was out about to eat what the pigs eat because he got so low in life. And then he came back and then the father came out and forgave him. That's like an example of a parable that's in the Bible.

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Brian]

It's like a story, but has a deeper meaning, like a literal story.

[Ryan]

That's what I've noticed with the Bible. I feel like there's a lot of stuff like that.

[Brian]

Yes. Yeah. Exactly.

[Ryan]

Where it's not literal.

[Brian]

There is. Yeah, there's a lot of parables.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So they're like Stories. So, like, also, like, Jesus says that he's like the good shepherd and, you know, at the end of the day, he's going to separate the sheeps from the goats. And how is he going to separate them? By what, you know, the goats did and no. Feeding the homeless, all those type of things. So, like, it's not like a literal story where he's saying, oh, I'm a shepherd and I'm moving these goats and sheep. He's like, trying to tell us a

[Ryan]

deeper edge of story. Yeah, yeah. That makes the Bible a whole nother level. Right? Yeah, it's all like that.

[Brian]

Yeah. Or like we were talking about yesterday when Jesus walked on water. So did you get to that part yet?

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Brian]

Yeah. So what did you get out of that story? Just curious.

[Ryan]

Yeah, he walked on water, and then when he stopped looking at him. Peter.

[Brian]

Peter.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

[Brian]

So he was like, hey, Peter, keep your eyes on me. But then he was looking around. I started looking at the wind. He started sinking. So he just lacked faith at that moment.

[Ryan]

So do you view that story as it actually happened, though? Like, he.

[Brian]

That specific story? I say yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Ryan]

See, that's what I'm struggling with, seeing what actually happened and then what you have to interpret as.

[Brian]

Yeah, well, usually as far as in the New Testament, it tells you that it's a parable.

[Ryan]

Oh, it does.

[Brian]

Or Jesus will start off the story where he'll say something like, this is like this, and then he goes into a hypothetical story. But, like, the healings, him walking on water, his death and resurrection, those are, like, literal things. And a lot of those things are prophecies that are spoke about in the Old Testament.

[Ryan]

Okay, I started the Old one.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. So that's where a lot of times people read the New Testament and they're like, I don't. Like, why does it matter that he healed this woman or he did xyz. It's because a lot of that is in the Old Testament saying that the Messiah is going to come, and these are signs of the Messiah.

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Brian]

Yeah. So, like. But the Old Testament's hard to read, so it's easier to start in the New Testament and understand who Jesus is. And then when you go back and read the Old Testament, you're going to be like, oh, okay. Like, this is where. Why Jesus did this. And this is why Jesus had to do that. Yeah. Even, like, you know, being on a cross and being resurrected and, you know, the three days, like, all these things are like, from the Old Testament sounds.

[Ryan]

Which one did you read first, personally?

[Brian]

New Testament.

[Ryan]

The new one?

[Brian]

Yeah. The New Testament, I feel like, is way easier for new believers. Yeah, I think we. Yeah, you. You start. You try to start in Genesis.

[Ryan]

I know you fell asleep. I'm like, dude, I really tried.

[Brian]

Like, yeah, yeah. Wait till you get to, like, Leviticus. There's a book called Leviticus. It's, like, all about the laws. And, like, if you touch. Let's say someone that's sick, you need to go sacrifice a pigeon. And then you need to take the heart out and put it on the left side and then put the blood on the right side and like, all these. Yeah, it's. It's very hard to read. You're just like, I don't even understand, like, what the heck is going on. That's why the New Testament, you have to first agree to it and, like, understand what it's trying to tell you. And then you could go get contacts with the context, with the testimony.

[Ryan]

I see. It seems like with your content, you've really been going hard with religion lately.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And that's getting a lot of views right now.

[Brian]

Yeah, the Christianity space is getting a lot of views, and I think there's not a lot of. There's a lot of people that are looking to go deeper with their faith, but there's not a lot of good content on it. So I'm just trying to provide good content to teach Christians how to understand their faith more and to. How to. How to understand different denominations.

[Ryan]

So many.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. There's not so many, actually, but. Yeah. No.

[Ryan]

So you hear, like, there's thousands. But is that actually true or not really.

[Brian]

So it's kind of like saying, let's say on the Strip. You would say, dude, there's 50 different casinos. Well, you know, Caesars actually owns a lot of them, and then MGM also owns a lot of them. They're actually the same owner. They're just different locations. Yeah, so that's when people say, like, oh, there's 14,000 Protestant denominations. That's not actually true, but, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. There's a lot of people that try to say, oh, do you understand what Protestantism is?

[Ryan]

I know you are one, but I don't know exactly what their beliefs are.

[Brian]

Okay, so the main three Christians. And these are the main three. Obviously there's a bunch, but is the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, and then the Protestant church.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Brian]

So originally there was the Orthodox and Catholics. They came from Peter and the original disciples. And then around year 300, and I'm paraphrasing this, they split, and then there was just Catholic and Orthodox. And then around the year 1500, there was some corruption in the church and a guy named Martin Luther. Not Martin Luther King, but Martin Luther broke from the Catholic Church. He didn't want to, but there was, like, the Catholic Church at the time was selling indolent. I forgot. I don't know how to pronounce him. But, like, they were trying to sell something where you could be forgiven for sin. So people used to be able to pay, really, and get less time in purgatory. Wow. Yeah.

[Ryan]

That's so weird.

[Brian]

Yeah. So that's one of the reason that

[Ryan]

incentive sounds backwards to me.

[Brian]

Right, Exactly. So that's why there was something called the Reformation. And that's when Protestantism came back. And the hope of Protestantism was to go back to what original Christianity was.

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Brian]

Yeah. So now there's like a bunch of different denominations, but the big three are Protestants, Orthodox, and Catholic.

[Ryan]

And what's the percentage breakdown? Is that known?

[Brian]

Well, Catholics, I believe, is, like, the biggest religion in the world. It's the biggest Christian denomination.

[Ryan]

My wife grew up Catholic, and she said a lot of Latinos are Catholic.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. Filipinos, a lot of Latinos, Mexicans. Like, other countries, Catholicism is huge because Catholicism was the main denomination for the first 1500 years.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Like, it's super big. Like, people don't understand how big the Catholic faith is. It's like multiple times bigger than the Jews or. Uh, it's. It's huge. It's. It's like Americans don't really understand that because America is a Protestant country.

[Ryan]

Oh, really?

[Brian]

Yeah. Yeah. So like, the colleges, like Duke, Yale, all these things are from Protestants. They just say, yeah. So America is a Christian country. So Christian means, like, Protestant normally.

[Ryan]

Um, but yeah, I looked up Vegas before this episode.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan]

So 61% are Christians.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

In Vegas.

[Brian]

Yeah. And what are the. What's the rest percentage?

[Ryan]

I didn't look off the rest, but I just thought that was way more than I thought.

[Brian]

Now there are 200 million Christians in the United States.

[Ryan]

Crap.

[Brian]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then again, Catholics are the biggest denomination.

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[Brian]

again we I don't know where you grew up, but Jersey. When you go to like the Philippines, it's a Catholic. It's just Catholic.

[Ryan]

Interesting.

[Brian]

There's some countries you go to Germany and other places, I I don't know be too specific but you don't see Protestant churches. It's rather Orthodox or Catholic, but we're used to here where there's like multiple churches and you could be any church, but there's some countries where it's just Catholic or it's just Orthodox. Yeah.

[Ryan]

So let's say you're traveling somewhere and you come across a Catholic church. Would they let you in or how does it.

[Brian]

Yeah, of course. Yeah. So the good thing about Catholic is like their Mass or their service is the same throughout the whole world. Like they they're that organized. The Mass is always the same. They're all on the same schedule and they're all teaching the exact same thing on the exact same day all over the world.

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Brian]

Yeah. The only thing that you can't do as a non Catholic is take the Eucharist. Have you heard of that before?

[Ryan]

But I don't know what it is.

[Brian]

So anytime, if you remember, this is going to be very important though. Yeah. So anytime you speak to an Orthodox or a Catholic, the Eucharist is like their main thing.

[Ryan]

Really.

[Brian]

That's literally. If you talk to them, that is

[Ryan]

literally their eyes light up.

[Brian]

Yeah, that's their. That's just say, oh, you take the Eucharist. Right.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Brian]

They love it. So what Catholics and Orthodox and some Protestants believe is that the Eucharist is literally the body and blood of Christ. So in the book of John, he says, this is my body and this is my blood. And pretty much you need to take these things in order to be enter the kingdom of heaven. Again, I'm paraphrasing, but they believe that the priests, during the ceremony, they say a prayer for the bread and it literally turns into the body of Christ. And then they. With the same. With the wine, that they believe it literally becomes the blood of Christ.

[Ryan]

Interesting.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. So if you read a lot about Catholics. Catholics and Orthodox.

[Ryan]

Oh, and Orthodox.

[Brian]

Yeah. And then I also believe that it's spiritually becomes the body and blood of Christ.

[Ryan]

So, yeah, a little bit of Protestants believe it.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. It's like real presence. So I believe that we are literally partaking in his body and blood. And that's part of the sanctification process, which is like, to become more like Christ, and it gives us more grace and it gets us closer to Jesus. So if you read, like, church history, Romans and a lot of these societies, they thought that Christians were practicing cannibalism because they didn't understand that it was like a sacrament is like a religious thing. We're not like, eating flesh and blood. But. And then there's some Christians that hold that as just symbolic. But the point is, with Catholics and Orthodox, that's like a very big deal. Like, if you were to drop it, like, the whole church would, like, stop.

[Ryan]

Are you serious?

[Brian]

Yes. There are some churches, when they do the Eucharist ceremony, everyone lays down face down on the floor.

[Ryan]

Holy crap. What?

[Brian]

Yeah, because it's literally the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

[Ryan]

But there's so many Eucharists, right? Like, yeah. So how did they verify that one?

[Brian]

Well, it's because they're doing the ceremony. And then when the priest says, like, I don't know what exactly they say, but they say a prayer for it, and then they believe that it becomes the actual body and blood of Christ. So, like, if Jesus Christ walked in here, they believe in, like, it's the presence of Jesus Christ. So they also practice something called adorism or, dang it, Adoration. They broke it. They practice something called adoration. So adoration is with the extra bread and maybe the wine, they'll have it in the room. And then people will sit in the room and just spend time with Jesus. And then a lot of people say that they have, like, experiences or, you know, communications or they feel extra grace.

[Ryan]

Is this a once a year thing or.

[Brian]

No, this is like.

[Ryan]

Oh, every week.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Yeah. Then the Catholic Church, they do that every day.

[Ryan]

Holy crap.

[Brian]

Yeah, but most Catholics go to church once a week, but they have service every day.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

The Catholic Church.

[Ryan]

That's insane.

[Brian]

Is it?

[Ryan]

I mean, every day. I mean, to me it is. To me it is.

[Brian]

Why you're devoting two to.

[Ryan]

How long is it? Two, three hours?

[Brian]

Well, the. The. The day service. The. The weekday service is only like, 30 minutes.

[Ryan]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought it was, like, multiple hours, because I remember when I went to church growing up, it was a long time.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the Sunday service and the Saturday service are longer, but, like, the midweek service are like 30 minutes. Yeah, 30 to 45 minutes, something like that.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I used to go every Sunday. I don't remember what denomination I was, but, yeah, definitely Christian. Yeah. I even went to Bible study once a week or something. Okay. Yeah.

[Brian]

Do you. How do you. Like, if you die today, do you think you would go to heaven?

[Ryan]

If I died today, would I go to heaven? I guess it depends what you mean by heaven.

[Brian]

Like, do you think you go as

[Ryan]

the traditional, like, heaven and hell, like.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Okay. Yeah. No.

[Brian]

Why is that?

[Ryan]

I believe in reincarnation.

[Brian]

Okay, so you believe in reincarnation.

[Ryan]

Yeah, got it.

[Brian]

Okay, so you believe. Like, where do you get that belief from? And, like, can you explain it?

[Ryan]

I would say from past guests, from watching podcasts on other spiritual shows and then psychics, which I know you're probably not a fan of.

[Brian]

No, I would love to talk to psychic.

[Ryan]

Oh, you would? Oh, yeah. I'll set some error for you. Yeah, you should do a. We got you a. Legally. Yeah, take her.

[Brian]

Yeah, I would love to do that.

[Ryan]

That'd be awesome.

[Brian]

But. Okay, so you said psychics.

[Ryan]

Yeah. So I've gotten past life readings is what they call it.

[Brian]

Wow.

[Ryan]

Where they. There's different ways of doing it. Some put you in a state of hypnosis. Some can do it just by looking at your eyes. I've done.

[Brian]

Oh, wow. Have you been in hypnosis?

[Ryan]

They couldn't get me.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I don't know if it's my ADHD or something.

[Brian]

Yeah. Okay. So psychic cvs.

[Ryan]

Guess I had one guest that claims to remember all his past lives on birthday. Okay, so he's pretty famous. His Name's Matthias De Stefano. Okay. So from him and a couple other guests like Billy Carson, Robert Edward Grant.

[Brian]

Billy Carson is the guy that got like exposed.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I talked about it. Yeah. And what was my other reason? I forgot. But it's. It's not set in stone though.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

If I was to be presented certain information, it would change. Yeah, yeah, I'm open.

[Brian]

What information have you seen from them

[Ryan]

that convinced you the past life reading was eye opening? Because I've told this story before, but I used to get these heart palpitations a lot. Do you know what that is?

[Brian]

Like when your heart beats?

[Ryan]

It's kind of like when you can feel your heartbeat and it gives you anxiety. You can kind of hear it. So I used to get that a lot when I was in high school. Did this past life reading and she said I was basically a stressed out sailor in a past life businessman. Okay. And died from a heart attack.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

And then she claims to have cleared that trauma. Past life trauma is what she called it. Okay. And I haven't had any heart palpitations since. Okay.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

So I don't know if that, like. Yeah, I don't know if that was just the power of the subconscious or something. There's a lot we don't know about the brain. But yeah, that to me was pretty. Because I. I used to go to the hospital.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I used to really freak out over this.

[Brian]

Did you also pray during that time for it to go away?

[Ryan]

I probably did. I think I did.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

I used to pray a lot.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I used to definitely pray when I was a kid. I would. If I got a stomach ache, I would pray anyway.

[Brian]

Have you ever had any experiences with like, with God or Jesus? The holy smearum?

[Ryan]

No, nothing visual, nothing audio. I've even done psychedelics. Never seen him on that.

[Brian]

I didn't know you did all this.

[Ryan]

Yeah, when I was younger. Okay. I. I went to Amsterdam, took mushrooms with his legal bear and that was one of the best days of my life, honestly. Really. Just walked around for eight hours straight with a smile on my face. It was great, man. She was great. But yeah, I've never seen him or heard him. What about you?

[Brian]

Yeah, I would say I've definitely spoken to God.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

How do you verify it's God though?

[Brian]

I think the feeling you get when you speak to him or hear from him.

[Ryan]

So.

[Brian]

In the Bible it says God is love. So when you get an overwhelming feeling. For me, sometimes it's like on my shoulders.

[Ryan]

Your hair stands up?

[Brian]

Yeah. Kind of like, you just feel, like, warm on your shoulders, going up, or you just feel like a weight. Like all your stress and anxiety is, like, being lifted off of.

[Ryan]

You experience that?

[Brian]

Yeah, that's our experience. Yeah. I don't.

[Ryan]

I love that you said that. I just. I have these guests that, like, claim to be channelers and claim to be speaking to God, and they take ayahuasca and speak to God. And I don't know, I'm just a bit skeptical sometimes of anyone being able to pull it off.

[Brian]

But what do they say about. When they speak to God? Like, what do they say God is like?

[Ryan]

I guess, usually similar to what you said. Like, they feel. See a lot of light. They feel like an energy cleanse almost. Okay. But I don't know, the channeling thing, I'm a little skeptical of.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Have you seen those people channeling, like, entities through their body? You haven't seen that?

[Brian]

No.

[Ryan]

Oh, wow. Yeah, I've had a few of them on the show.

[Brian]

How was that?

[Ryan]

I got anxiety. Yeah, I got anxiety from that. It's just like, I don't know. Look into channeling. It's a weird one.

[Brian]

I don't even know.

[Ryan]

Have you heard of it?

[Brian]

No.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Brian]

There's so much I've heard of psychics, but I haven't heard of channeling. What is channeling?

[Ryan]

Channeling entities, basically. They're claiming they're using their body as a vessel and channeling a spirit to enter their body and communicate.

[Brian]

That's crazy. Yeah, that's. I would call that demonic, but. Yeah.

[Ryan]

You would call it demonic?

[Brian]

Yeah, for sure. Some of them claim to be channeling God through their. Really?

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

I personally, unless they're talking about Jesus Christ, I would say that's, like, demonic, because what Christians believe, I think it's like John 14:6 is like, he said, I am the way, the truth and the life. Let me just read it to you, actually.

[Ryan]

Which app do you use for the Bible?

[Brian]

The Bible app.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Brian]

Easy, baby. Keep it super easy. And then it even talks about if someone comes and promotes a different gospel, that they will be cursed. But John 14:6, Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

[Ryan]

Oh, I've actually heard this first.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So popular one?

[Brian]

Yeah, it's very popular. So pretty much it's like the only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ. So if there's any other thing that you're hearing. Yeah, I would consider that, like, demonic. It's not saying that you can't speak to the Father directly, but, like, when Christians pray, we say, well, you know, in Jesus name.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Or we pray to Jesus or pray to God or pray to the Holy Spirit. Anything outside of that, I would say is a false gospel and is demonic and they could be speaking to a spirit. I believe there are other spirits.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

And I've been around evil spirits and I've seen evil with my own eyes. But so I'm not saying those things aren't real, but, like, anyone channeling saying these things, I would say is, like, they have some sort of power to speak to spirits, and I don't think those spirits are from God.

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Brian]

Yeah. Like that dude that debated with Wes Huff.

[Ryan]

Billy.

[Brian]

Billy. Yeah. I would say that person is a false prophet.

[Ryan]

Interesting.

[Brian]

Yeah. So he would be a great example of a false prophet. He's someone that's trying to take the word of God and the history of Christianity and turn it into something else.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Brian]

And a lot of these things are explained in the Bible. It's just people don't go into the Bible or know how to find it.

[Ryan]

Yeah. And yeah, he does say, and I've seen other people say the Bible has been rewritten. Right. It's not the original word of God.

[Brian]

No. So the Bible is the word of God.

[Ryan]

The whole Bible.

[Brian]

The whole Bible is the word of God.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Yeah. So that's why you got to talk to Christians, because you talk to these like.

[Ryan]

But how do you verify that, though?

[Brian]

Do the Holy Spirit. So pray and ask the Holy Spirit, is this true? And I know it will be revealed to you.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Yeah. But, like, Christians believe. That's why you talk to a lot of people, too, that talk about the Bible. And I'm like, bro, that's not a Christian. Like, that's a Hebrew Israelite. I'm like, sir, oh, I'm new to the space. Hey, Exhibit. Some of you or even, like, Muslims, it's like, just because they quote the Bible, that doesn't mean they're actually, like, Christian.

[Ryan]

So, yeah. Sheikh Uthman, I will say he. He definitely, like, actually reads the Bible, though.

[Brian]

Yeah. And I would say he is a great example of a false prophet.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Brian]

Yeah. I believe that Muslims have been deceived by Muhammad and Muhammad is a false prophet. It's unfortunate. And it's unfortunate that Muslims believe that Jesus Christ. Ask. This is the crazy part. So Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was sinless.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Brian]

Did you know that?

[Ryan]

I didn't know that. Yeah.

[Brian]

If you could text that guy.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Say, hey, do you guys Believe that Jesus Christ was sinless. He's gonna say yes.

[Ryan]

So what does that mean, though? Sinless?

[Brian]

He didn't sin.

[Ryan]

Okay. And Christians don't believe that.

[Brian]

Christians do believe.

[Ryan]

Oh, they do believe that.

[Brian]

Yeah. But the crazy part is they believe that in the Bible, when Jesus just said, I am the way, the truth and life, they don't have an answer for these things that Jesus is claiming to be. So Jesus claimed to be God. So if Muslims believe that he was sinless, why don't they believe him when he was claiming to be God?

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Brian]

Do you know what I'm saying?

[Ryan]

Yeah. So that's it. They. It doesn't make sense.

[Brian]

Right, Exactly. And then also, Muslims believe they're supposed to believe in the Bible. Right. They're supposed to believe in Bible in the Quran. It validates the Bible.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I didn't know.

[Brian]

Yeah. There's a contradiction there. Where, like, Muslims. I'll send you.

[Ryan]

That's not possible to believe in the Bible and the Quran though.

[Brian]

Right.

[Ryan]

That wouldn't be conflicting information.

[Brian]

Well, think about this. Where do Muslims get the story of Jesus from?

[Ryan]

Is it from the Bible?

[Brian]

Yeah. Because Muhammad was not a. You know, Muhammad came like 600 years after Jesus existed.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian]

So where did they get him from? Right. Where else could they have?

[Ryan]

That's a lot of time. Yeah.

[Brian]

Yeah. So. And they quote the Bible. There's Bible verses in the Quran. So the Quran came from the Bible. So kind of like how I was telling you in the beginning, there was Orthodox and Catholics. There were other small denominations during that time after Jesus was resurrected and one of those groups turned into Islam.

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Were any of his prophets part of that? Like, were any of Jesus's disciples disciples?

[Brian]

No, because again, this came 600 years after Jesus.

[Ryan]

Okay. So it's a whole separate group.

[Brian]

It. Yeah, that's like George Washington driving a Tesla. Like.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Even worse, because if you think about it, the United states is only 250 years old.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So it puts more context in the time gap between Jesus and Muhammad. So think about that. So two times longer than America's been around, a guy came and said, oh, Jesus actually didn't claim to be God. He claimed to be a prophet. And, you know, this and that. And just he. He changed the whole Gospel.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So that's the problem that I see with that Billy guy or that other Muslim guy that you had on your show is I would consider them false prophets.

[Ryan]

Have you had any Muslims on yours yet?

[Brian]

I talked to one Muslim imam. He's Going on, actually. Oh, the guy that I spoke to.

[Ryan]

Imam.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, well that's what they're called.

[Ryan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Imam Taweedi is the one.

[Brian]

Okay, got it, got it. That's like teacher or something like that in Muslim. But yeah, so we went back and forth between this because he was like, well, Jesus, you know this. And Jesus died. And I'm like, well, where are you getting your understanding from Jesus, from the Quran is that, well, why would I read the Quran when the people that were around Jesus and were physically in front of him and Jesus spoke to wrote about him? Why wouldn't I believe what they said instead of what you say? Because like in John one kind of like it was like the first book that I told you to read. It starts off with, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. So Jesus is the Word. And it clearly says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. So the Bible clearly teaches, and this is one verse, clearly teaches that Jesus Christ was God. That's what Christians believe. True Christians believe that Jesus Christ was God. He wasn't like a good prophet, he wasn't a good guy trying to teach us, you know, morality. He was God in the flesh and he came to die for our sins and show us the way. And that is through him. And then once you accept him into your heart, then you start to become more like Jesus. That's the sanctification process. Yeah, or orthodox call it like theosis. So that's just a process of becoming more like God.

[Ryan]

And then is there a final point where you truly become God or what's the end point?

[Brian]

The end point is when you die and then you go to heaven and then you are with God.

[Ryan]

Got it?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And where do the end times fall into that?

[Brian]

The end times of the world, like

[Ryan]

the end times that are mentioned in the Bible?

[Brian]

Well, there's a couple theories. So some people look at Revelation as a story of things that already happened. And then some people look at Revelations as a story of things to come.

[Ryan]

Got it?

[Brian]

Yeah. So it kind of just depends on your theory.

[Ryan]

I've heard both takes. I've heard some people say it already happened. Exactly, I've heard that. And then some people say we're in it right now with the Israel war, kind of. And then some people say it hasn't happened yet.

[Brian]

Exactly. Yeah. So that's all like hearsay and that's all like Speculation. Because Jesus says nobody knows when he's going to come back.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Brian]

So I don't know. Like, I have a theory of both. I believe that if you look at the Bible in context, and again, I'm not a theologian and people are going to destroy me for this. But you can't read the Bible from your eyes in America in 2026.

[Ryan]

What do you mean by that?

[Brian]

Meaning the Bible wasn't. Those letters weren't written to Americans. Got it. They were written to Jews around the year 50. So when they're reading those books, they have context of what was going on in the culture, what was happening at the time and all that stuff. So that's why, like, even some of the parables and stuff, it's going to make even more sense to the people back then, you know?

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

So it's kind of like if someone reads a letter from you and you're talking about a casino that doesn't exist anymore.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Brian]

They're like, this casino doesn't even exist. This doesn't even make sense.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Not as relatable.

[Brian]

It's. Yeah, but you have to just read the Bible in context.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Brian]

So the point is, the Book of Revelations was written to Jews at that time. And some people have the theory that those Jews understood what all these signs he were talking. Yeah, all the signs he was talking about was symbolic. Like even like the getting the 666 and a king come, an Antichrist coming. So Christians were killed at that time. So at that time, there were Jews that believed that the current king was the Antichrist because he was literally killing Christians.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Did you not know that?

[Ryan]

No.

[Brian]

Really? Did you know that, like the first 20 popes were all martyred?

[Ryan]

No.

[Brian]

You didn't know that?

[Ryan]

Do you know what martyrdom is killed for?

[Brian]

Yeah. Killed for your faith.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Yeah. So 20 of the first popes were rather beheaded, hung on crosses. They had.

[Ryan]

That's insane.

[Brian]

Anchors tied to their neck and thrown off boats.

[Ryan]

What?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

That's why they're so respected on popes.

[Brian]

Exactly. And that's why people will point at that and say, hey, look, the 12 disciples were literally crucified, upside down, drug boiled, beheaded, all these things. Why would they do that if it was a lie? Wow.

[Ryan]

I didn't know that.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

All 12 of them got pretty bad ending.

[Brian]

Yeah. Except for one of them.

[Ryan]

But which one?

[Brian]

I think it was John.

[Ryan]

Oh, John. Shout out to John.

[Brian]

Yeah, he was exiled, but that's pretty. Yeah, yeah. But like Peter was about to be crucified, you know, on a cross. And he was like, I don't want to be killed, like my Lord and Savior, so just hang me upside down there. Yeah. So, like, all these guys literally died for their faith. And people today still die for their faith. Do you know that?

[Ryan]

Really?

[Brian]

Yes, yes. ISIS beheaded. I believe it was 21. Do you know the number? Can you Google it real quick?

[Ryan]

ISIS beheadings. How many? Yeah.

[Brian]

ISIS just beheaded Christians that refused to give up their faith.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Brian]

Yes. They brought them out and what. And it's filmed. It's. This is not a high thousand.

[Ryan]

What? That's a.

[Brian]

It's not 2000. But is that in. That's probably total 2000 executions in Syria over a suitable period. Yeah, well, yeah. No, there's thousands of Christians still to this day dying for the faith for sure.

[Ryan]

And that's. I'm talking about.

[Brian]

Can you look up the 21 martyrs from ISIS?

[Ryan]

But that's only because they're Christian, though.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

In Nigeria right now, Christians are dying right now.

[Ryan]

Just for being Christian.

[Brian]

Just for being Christian. That's why I say. No, that's why I say Islam is a false religion.

[Ryan]

And they're being killed by.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Ryan]

Islamists.

[Brian]

Yes.

[Ryan]

And I know the whole Islam thing is. There's different parts of it. Is it 21 men?

[Brian]

21.

[Ryan]

21 people.

[Brian]

There was 21 men that were brought out on camera and got their heads cut off because they refused to deny that Jesus Christ was God. And then there was another. There was one man in that group that wasn't even Christian.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

But he saw what those men were about to do, and he had so much respect for their faith that he allowed that to happen, too. Yes.

[Ryan]

He didn't speak up.

[Brian]

He refused to not say that Jesus Christ was not God.

[Ryan]

That's insane.

[Brian]

Yeah. So that's why it's important for people to understand it's not all like, oh, the Muslims have the same thing as Christians. And it's like. No. Like, we're sheltered here in the United States, we see some of it, but in other countries. In China, you think you could just be Christian In China, they're communists, so

[Ryan]

probably not out of my.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. They get put in concentration camps today.

[Ryan]

That's nuts.

[Brian]

In 2026, Christians are still dying for

[Ryan]

their faith in China. Wow. That's a development.

[Brian]

All over the. All over the world. All over the world, brother. It's not. Yeah.

[Ryan]

This crazy. Yeah. We are sheltered in America.

[Brian]

We are sheltered in America because we have religious freedom here. And we could say f the president or F, The Pope or whatever. We can. But in other places, you can't. In other places, if you say Jesus Christ is Lord, you will die. And those things. And that has been happening for 2000 years.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Did you not know that?

[Ryan]

I thought it ended a while ago, honestly.

[Brian]

No, bro.

[Ryan]

Yeah. No, bro.

[Brian]

This has happened for 2,000 years. Yeah. Jesus Christ was killed. Did you. You knew that, right? Yeah. So Jesus Christ was the first that died. And then after that came the disciples, and then after that came the Pope. So then all the way up till today, people are still killed for being Christians to say. Yeah. And people just don't know.

[Ryan]

So it's going to keep happening or what's.

[Brian]

Yeah, because in the Bible it says you're going to be persecuted for following me. That's what Jesus said. Yeah.

[Ryan]

That's nuts.

[Brian]

Yeah. So until Jesus comes back, Christians are going to be persecuted, and that's crazy.

[Ryan]

So when you're traveling, you got to kind of keep that in mind. To certain countries.

[Brian]

Yeah. Depending on where you're at. Yeah.

[Ryan]

You have to be careful.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

I did not know that.

[Brian]

Yeah. We're just sheltered in America.

[Ryan]

Yeah. We. We do have a good year. When I see people complaining here, I'm like, bro.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

No, I mean, I get it, but, like, I don't.

[Brian]

Yeah. You had the captain on what you think about him.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I know you had him on, too. Part of me wonders how much of it he actually believes.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Versus exaggeration. But he does do a lot of what he says.

[Brian]

Like.

[Ryan]

What do you mean? Like, I just saw some video. Fred Bayer went to his.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah, those shoes.

[Ryan]

Yeah. So they actually have these meetups for black people.

[Brian]

No, I believe they actually, like, practice what they preach.

[Ryan]

Yeah. And I do think he genuinely hates white people.

[Brian]

Yeah. I mean, it's weird because when you talk to him in person, he's very charismatic and he's. I thought he was, like, very funny. He's very cool.

[Ryan]

But you got to keep in mind you're giving him a platform. Right.

[Brian]

I also think he treats me different because I'm Puerto Rican, so.

[Ryan]

Puerto Rican are not as bad.

[Brian]

Yeah. We're like one of the lost tribes. So you are probably not.

[Ryan]

So he's probably white, half Asian, but he treated me really nice.

[Brian]

Yeah, but he probably. But he still treats us different because I can actually become one of a Hebrew Israelite. Yeah, I don't think you can.

[Ryan]

I can ask them out there.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So I just noticed he treats people differently. Like with me, he was like, actually Trying to like convert me.

[Ryan]

I mean, they need you. They don't have any numbers. Yeah, Only a few thousand people.

[Brian]

Yeah, they. Yeah. And it's. And that's another unfortunate false gospel. And that's kind of where people take the Bible, just like the Muslims, and they turn it into something else.

[Ryan]

And that's. It's kind of how we started this show, how you can read the Bible and interpret it in so many different ways.

[Brian]

Right. Yeah, you can interpret it, but you can also just lie.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Brian]

So some faith, they just flat out lie. Because again, like if you look at what I just read to you, in the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was God.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So who's the word? Jesus. So Jesus Christ was God, Right. How can I. I don't want to turn this about Muslims, but how could Muslims read that and think that Jesus Christ was not God?

[Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian]

So it's not even about interpretation. It's just like about people lying and twisting the truth. That's all it is.

[Ryan]

I think we're going to, unfortunately, with AI, I don't think we're going to live in a reality with objective truth.

[Brian]

What does that mean?

[Ryan]

Like, because you could fake videos and things so easily now, it's. It's going to be really hard to like have actual truth. And I think, you know, I know you have five kids. I worry about that with kids, like what type of information they're getting.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And how accurate it is.

[Brian]

Yeah. I actually think the complete opposite.

[Ryan]

Silly.

[Brian]

Yeah. I believe with AI, the truth is going to be more clear.

[Ryan]

And we got to debate this.

[Brian]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, if you just look at again, religion, AI can tell you the entire history of Christianity and accurate is

[Ryan]

it right now, like if you go on ChatGPT and ask it to give you the history, is it pretty accurate?

[Brian]

It's pretty accurate. It is gonna have some biases because it's not a Christian platform. But there are Christian AI apps that will give you the full truth where like Chat GPT and things will say like, hey, I can't really answer this because it's not my place. But like, there's other apps where if you ask a direct questions about the faith, it will give you a direct answer.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I never thought of it from a religion point of view. I was speaking more overall because there are studies on how AI usage is linked with a decrease in IQ in brain activity.

[Brian]

I'm sure. But even though maybe brain activity will go down, people are still going to do more than what they would. So, like, let's just say you had a child. Would you rather train your child and have him in high school read books and use pen and paper to work out math equations, or would you rather have him spend time trying to make things with AI?

[Ryan]

AI. Exactly.

[Brian]

Exactly.

[Ryan]

So even though that's also because I think textbooks have been like, if you look at who makes the textbooks, that's a whole rabbit hole. But there's a biased point of view with some of these textbooks.

[Brian]

Yeah, but even you could use the example of math. Would you rather your son sit at home and work on math problems with pen and paper or spend extra time working with AI to build things for math?

[Ryan]

Probably AI.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I think we agree on that.

[Brian]

Yeah. I mean, what. But I just. What circumstance is AI not better for

[Ryan]

learning in general, you're saying? Yeah, I can't argue on that one.

[Brian]

Exactly. So AI is just going to make our lives better and it's going to give us better access to truth. Because now people can watch the news and they could ask AI better access to truth.

[Ryan]

As long as these AI companies. So like, for example, right now, a lot of these AI companies are in bed with government organizations and they limit certain searches. I don't know if you're aware of this.

[Brian]

I know they. They limit searches.

[Ryan]

Yes. Yeah. So certain topics you can't even look up.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So that's my worry with it. They become so regulated where they kind of gatekeep certain information.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

You know what I mean? And you can't access it. And only the elites or whatever can access that information. Yeah, that's my worry with it.

[Brian]

Yeah. I mean, I don't worry about it. I think that AI is actually going to enhance religion, faith, health, life, make us live longer.

[Ryan]

I hope so. I want that. Yeah, I do want that. But there's a new study on Claude. Do you use Claude?

[Brian]

A little bit, yeah.

[Ryan]

Yeah. We'll link the study below. They figured out they've made it a lot. Basically a lot dumber. I'm oversimplifying it.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

But it's not as good as it used to be. There's like a 67% decrease in the output.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And my worry is these models. I don't know.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I don't like to think in the future too much.

[Brian]

Yeah. So, like, you. You mentioned children. So you just got married, right?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Are you guys gonna have kids?

[Ryan]

I want kids too. I don't know.

[Brian]

Even though. Even with AI?

[Ryan]

Well, yeah, I mean, I use AI every day. I love it. I'm just saying. Yeah. It's so easy to fake stuff now. I worry about AI, but I also love it. Yeah. Grace it.

[Brian]

And how old are you again?

[Ryan]

29.

[Brian]

29, okay. How old your wife?

[Ryan]

28.

[Brian]

28.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Brian]

How long are you going to wait to have kids?

[Ryan]

We're trying right now, honestly, but yeah, I don't, I don't know, about five, like, good, good sheet. Five's impresser. Yeah. But two to three would be great, man.

[Brian]

Two to three? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the first one is going to be the hardest one.

[Ryan]

That's what I hear.

[Brian]

Yeah. Because you just don't know what to expect. Yeah. And like the first three months are just brutal because you just don't sleep. Yeah. But after that it gets like easier and easier.

[Ryan]

Teenage years weren't too hard.

[Brian]

No.

[Ryan]

That's what I hear. They rebel a little bit.

[Brian]

So I have a 15 year old. So this year was the first year where he gave some trouble. Yeah. But it was just with school.

[Ryan]

I feel like that's natural.

[Brian]

Exactly. Yeah. And the problem with actually AI and social media is now high schoolers are getting fed ideas where, you know, I feel like back in the day I didn't watch tv, I didn't really watch movies and stuff when I was like in high school and I wasn't watching the news.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So now high schoolers can be fed the idea, like, oh, you don't really

[Ryan]

have to go to school.

[Brian]

And then with my son, he had that idea, like, why do I have

[Ryan]

to go to school?

[Brian]

Like, I want to do sales and I want to have a business and, you know, I don't need to go to school.

[Ryan]

If he goes to public school, he goes to public school. It's pretty bad out here. Yeah, it's, it's relative to the rest of the states.

[Brian]

Yeah. Relative to the other states. Yeah, it's bad for sure.

[Ryan]

49, I think.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Relative to other states it is. But yeah, he, he came home and was just like, dude, I don't, I don't really want to go to school. I don't get the purpose. And I had to be like, dude, you gotta go to school right now. But even in the back of my mind I'm like, if he wants to do sales or he wants to run a business, it's kind of hard to like keep forcing him to go to school.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So he's only a freshman right now. We'll see what happens. But I don't know. What do you think?

[Ryan]

If I was in that Situation. I would say show me some proof of concept before you fully drop out.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Show me some numbers. Show me some type of revenue. Show me a business. Show me he needs to do psychiatric dropout for nothing.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

Like, even though I hate public school.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Let's be realistic here. You know what I mean?

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

Like so many.

[Brian]

What are these? Like, I want to work for you. I want to drop out and go work for you. I want to sell. I'm selling some podcasts.

[Ryan]

Personally, I've never been good at working with family, so I wouldn't do that. Okay, yeah, I can mentor you, but I don't want you tied to the company. I have to mature into that because I can't have those boundaries yet. I'm too nice.

[Brian]

Got it.

[Ryan]

With my family.

[Brian]

Yeah. That's kind of what he was pitching me. He was like, dude, I could just come work with you. I could go do real estate.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

And I'm like, that's true.

[Ryan]

But, you know, shadow you or. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

I mean, I could. We hire people every single month. Like, my son is smart enough to do what these adults are doing. It's not that hard. It's just work ethic and tenacity and learning sales. So it is tough because you're just like, do I send you to school for another three years and just hope you don't get corrupted by these liberals or.

[Ryan]

I mean, he is. There's no doubt about it. We did. When we. It wasn't. I feel like it wasn't as bad, though.

[Brian]

When I went to CSN here, I had some hard for liberal teachers that were trying to make us feel shame for.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Brian]

They were like, shame. This was like college, so.

[Ryan]

College, right?

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

I didn't go to. I went for one year. I was talking about high school, but college. Yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

My first year in college, there was a teacher that was trying to make us feel shame for living in the United States. And like.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian]

She was Canadian. Yeah.

[Ryan]

A lot of universities do have a liberal connection, unfortunately, or fortunately if you're liberal. I guess.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I think it does more harm than good.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. But the point is. Yeah. With my son, I'm like, okay, is it better to leave him in school for the next three years?

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[Brian]

Hopefully he doesn't get corrupted by the teachers or other students or pull them out and just let him start working with me and.

[Ryan]

Right. See how, like, why did you do a. Is there a protest in school or. Or.

[Brian]

No, there is. Honestly, I'm A high school dropout. So I am also not, like, the biggest fan of school. So it's actually something that I'm wrestling with right now with him, where he's like. He came to me as, like, it's hard to imagine because you don't have kids, but imagine your boy.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Like, hey, dude, like, I kind of don't want to go to school anymore. Like, yeah. You'd be like, it's hard. And then you have to pitch them on, like, whoa. You gotta go to school because you gotta learn algebra and you gotta learn.

[Ryan]

There's drawbacks because I feel like you have to grow up quicker and you're giving up part of your childhood. You're giving up prom and all those memories. Yeah, Yeah.

[Brian]

I didn't go to promote.

[Ryan]

Yeah. But for me, that's like, a memory I'll have for the rest of my life. Yeah. I feel like a lot of kids feel that way. You give up on certain memories with your class and friendships. So there's pros and cons to both.

[Brian]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Ryan]

I feel like college, though. Hell, no.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Not for the price.

[Brian]

No. If you want to be a doctor

[Ryan]

or something like that, even that, like, I think AI is going to replace a lot of doctors. I talked to a lot of surgeons.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And AIs get so good at surgery now.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

It's crazy.

[Brian]

Yeah. Yeah. Law, surgery, all those things. AI's got to replace it because that's

[Ryan]

the biggest thing doctors get sued for is, like, when they fuck up.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So if AI can not fuck up as much, it's huge for their business. Yeah.

[Brian]

Yeah. What about you as, like, a new husband? How do you feel like you're doing as a husband?

[Ryan]

Not as good as I should be, dude. I. I'm very addicted to, like, my passions, you know? Like, why? Like, Dude, I filmed 2,000 podcasts in three years. That's not normal.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So that obviously takes away time from the family. And I think it does worry her that I'm just so obsessed with work sometimes, you know? And I know for you, you put faith first, then family, then finance, right? Yeah, I'm probably family finance, then Faith.

[Brian]

Got it. Okay.

[Ryan]

Like, ideally. But at the same time, I'm working so much. I don't know if I could truly say families first yet, but in an ideal scenario, that's what I would, Mark.

[Brian]

Okay, so let's just ask you a hard question right now. Do you put money over your family?

[Ryan]

In what sense?

[Brian]

In time.

[Ryan]

And in time in time, yes. I probably work 60 to 80 hours a week. And the time I spend with her, just one on one is probably 30 to 50 on the week. No hours per. Okay.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Because when I get home at, like, 5, until 10, 11.

[Brian]

So you do go home at 5?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Okay. And then you're. Are you present?

[Ryan]

No. Okay. Not the whole time.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

That's what I need to work on. Okay.

[Brian]

Do you put your phone away?

[Ryan]

No.

[Brian]

Do you plan things? Do you guys have date nights?

[Ryan]

Yes. My gym started doing that. We just started doing foamless dinners.

[Brian]

Okay.

[Ryan]

That was, like, my worst habit, I think.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Do you do that?

[Brian]

Yeah. Yeah. And then we also do date nights. For us.

[Ryan]

A week.

[Brian]

For us. Yeah. That was huge. That was like. We went through a rough patch in our marriage, and when we started doing date nights, that was like, literal game danger.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, we just started doing that.

[Brian]

Yeah. Because we got so wrapped up in, like, cleaning and the kids and. And business. And then we come home and then we just wanted to be chilling, cleaning.

[Ryan]

I outsourced.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Because that was a fight, too, for us. Because I'm kind of messy because I have ADHD and I forget to do things. Forget to clean up sometimes.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. So day nights is huge. And then I believe, like, spiritually leading is also huge because even, like, it's hard to think about, but, like, as a man, it's obviously really important for you to have a relationship with God. Right. It's also really important for you for your wife to have a relationship with God, because the more peace and love and joy and forgiveness that she has, that also translates into your relationship with.

[Ryan]

Right. Yeah. So I'd say we both believe in God right now.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

When I first started dating her, I was atheist slash agnostic.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not about belief, because in the Bible it says even the demons believe in God.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

You think, like, Satan doesn't believe in God?

[Ryan]

Well, he's Adams. All right, so he definitely believes in him.

[Brian]

Yeah. So he believes that he's true. So belief is not enough.

[Ryan]

Interesting.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So what is enough then?

[Brian]

Do you have faith?

[Ryan]

Define that.

[Brian]

Do you have trust in Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God?

[Ryan]

Do I believe Jesus is God? Yes, because you've taught me about and I've read the Bible, so.

[Brian]

Okay, well, then that's good. That's the very. That's a very, very good first step. Right. So after you have that first step and your wife has that first step, then comes the sanctification process. So that means to start, become More like Christ. So that means follow his commandments. So, like, one commandment Jesus told us to do was be baptized.

[Ryan]

I've been baptized. Okay, perfect. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have. I got circumcised. Is that another one?

[Brian]

That's. That's great, too. Oh, that.

[Ryan]

Okay, we're gonna have to debate on that one, actually.

[Brian]

Yeah, I'm not saying Jesus told you that. I'm just saying that's great that you. There's a bunch of information on circumcision.

[Ryan]

I don't know if I want it for my kids.

[Brian]

Yeah, well, in the Bible, it actually tells us to not be circumcised.

[Ryan]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Brian]

So. So Paul was fighting against that, but we're gonna stick on Jesus. Our second.

[Ryan]

Yeah, sorry.

[Brian]

So, yeah, it's so funny, too, because Christians still debate about circumcision, and then when you read it in the Bible, you're like, damn, like, this was written 2000 years ago. And people are still arguing that. People are still fighting. But okay, so you believe, which is great. Next you're saying you have faith. That's great. Next step is becoming more like Christ. First step, be baptized. Okay, you guys are done there, right?

[Ryan]

I think we both did, yeah.

[Brian]

Next step, in my opinion, would be what you're already doing is reading the Bible with your wife. Right. So you don't want to be unequally yoked. You want to be on the same page. Right. And then I believe it's important to find a church that you feel comfortable with, because there's a couple things you're going to find at church. One of them is community. Right? So the enemy likes to isolate us and keep us by ourselves or keep us around non believers.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Brian]

Because that weakens our relationship with God. And then also you're going to find spiritual fathers or spiritual mentors. So people that can say, hey, when you're having problems with your wife, you go speak to someone who is a godly man, who is wise, who is and knows the word of God, and he can speak life into you. Right. Or when you have questions about circumcision, instead of you debating some idiot like me, go debate a leader or not. Don't go debate a leader. Go talk to a pastor. Like, hey, what do Christians believe about circumcision? And then they explain it to you, and then you have the answer. You don't have to, like, figure it out on yourself.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, I know you've been to a lot of churches, right?

[Brian]

Yeah, I've been to a lot of churches, for sure.

[Ryan]

What's been your experience? Because I am. I have a biased perspective on it from guests I've had on the show. Yeah, that really talked out on it.

[Brian]

But, yeah, I mean. So I'll tell you a quick story. So I was born in Puerto Rico, moved here when I was 5. I lived with my mom, right? My mom was a cocktail waitress at the Imperial Palace. Do you know where that was?

[Ryan]

No.

[Brian]

It was on the Strip. It was like an old casino. Right. So, long story short, I grew up with a single mom, right? I watched her struggle, I watched her cry, not be able to pay the bills. She was kind of abusive. Like, it was a bad environment, right? Became an adult. I was like, you know what? I'm out, dude. I'm going to live my life. I'm going to do what I want to do. Started doing drugs, are sleeping around. How my first kid at 19, met my wife at 26, you know, became successful, became a multimillionaire, all these things. And then there was a day where I was sitting at my house, and at the time, my house was paid off. I had my daughter on my lap watching tv. I had my kids there. My dog's there. My wife was in the kitchen. And I was, like, extremely depressed. I was just like. I was looking into my backyard. I see my pool. I have a huge glass door. I have a Mercedes Benz in the front. And I'm just like, I don't understand why I don't feel happy. Like, I thought once I had this and that and live in a gated community and had the Rolexes and had the wife and had the kids, I thought I would be happy because I was like, dude, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna put God later, and I'm gonna focus on money now. And I thought once I got there, I was gonna be happy. So I was just like, bro, this sucks. Like, I feel like crap. So I went to my buddy Ryan, and I was like, dude, this is what's happening. I feel depressed. I feel anxious. I don't feel happy. He's like, bro, you got to go to church. I was like, dog, I do not want to go to church. Like, that's not what I want.

[Ryan]

That's so relatable.

[Brian]

I was like, bro, that's not the answer. Like, tell me something else, right? Tell me my wife is wrong or something.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So he was like, bro, you got to go to church. Other people started pouring into me saying, you should go to church. So I go to church. I was like, you know what? I never wanted to be fake. I thought I was, like, a bad person, which is a whole nother story. But I thought I was a bad person, so I didn't want to go to church. So I go to church finally, and I'm sitting there, and then Pastor Jabe in a City Light church was talking about shame. And he was like, what the enemy likes to do is he's like, well, Brian, you've done this, you've done that, you've done this. You're not good enough for grace. Right.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

And at the time when I was sitting there, I used to struggle with pornography.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

While I was married. And at the time, I'm like, holding on to this Shane of like, my wife doesn't really know that I'm struggling with porn. And all my friends don't really know. And I'm kind of like, you know, bottling this in. And I always just share that. But everyone usually has something rather than being. I don't want to say the word, but, you know, an abortion or whatever. Everyone has something that's their little dark secret, and they feel like God is ashamed of them for it. So he went and talked about that, and I felt like this huge weight was lifted off of me. And then from that day, I never watched porn again.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

And I struggled with that for 15 years. Yes.

[Ryan]

You went from watching it daily to never again?

[Brian]

Not daily. I'm not. I wasn't like, there were, you know, we won't get into it. I wasn't like, oh, my God. Like, I'm this crazy person, but it was a thing. Right. So that went away. And then I used to struggle with anxiety, and then my anxiety went away, and I had anxiety my whole life.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So I was going to church once

[Brian]

just from going to church. Well, one of them was going to church once. And then the second time was I was telling one of my friends, Ryan, that I was struggling with it.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

He's like, bro, let's pray for it. Pray for it. It went away.

[Ryan]

No way.

[Brian]

Yes. Yes. And I've seen people. I've seen people healed of cancer. I've. I've literally, I've seen.

[Ryan]

Just from prayer.

[Brian]

Just from prayer. Yes.

[Ryan]

These are like a physical condition.

[Brian]

These are. I've seen people that had physical conditions be healed. I've seen animals. I saw an animal that had a tumor, like, that was blocking the animal's nose, and it was, like, unable to breathe. Its teeth was worth falling out. I seen someone pray for the tumor, and I seen that Tumor go away. I swear with my own eyes.

[Ryan]

Like, oh, my gosh.

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And you have no reason to lie about it.

[Brian]

Yeah, exactly. Like an animal. Like who has a testimony about a dog. Right? Like, that's.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

So after experiencing these things, I realized how important church was. The enemy likes to make people think church is not important.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

It's like, dude, you gotta, you got, you got a relationship with God on your own, man. It's you. It's you in the Bible, you know, you pumpkin pie in the Bible. You're America. You got your freedom. You don't need authority from another man. That's the fallacy that we don't need church.

[Ryan]

I've seen that argument. I've also seen all the headlines with the mega churches and the money laundering.

[Brian]

Exactly.

[Ryan]

Yeah. That's a fear tactic.

[Brian]

I'd assume it's a fear tactic. And it's like, okay, one pastor steals money. How many churches are just in Las Vegas?

[Ryan]

Is there a lot?

[Brian]

A lot, a lot quadrants or hundreds, maybe thousands just in Las Vegas. How many churches do you think there are that are in the United States? Let's say Christian churches.

[Ryan]

Let's just look, it's gotta be hundreds of thousands, right?

[Brian]

Let's just, let's just ask Chat how many Christian churches are in the United States? So Chat says there's around 350 to 380,000 churches. Yeah. That's a lot of churches. Right. And we always hear about the one pastor that has a plane. Let's say the five pastors that have a plane. What about the other 300,000 pastors? What about all the broke pastors that are literally living in apartments and can't provide for themselves, but they run a church? What about the Catholic priests that they make $50,000 a year no matter how big their church is?

[Ryan]

What about those guys that I respect?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

If there's no direct incentive with member count and financial.

[Brian]

And that's fair, you know. But the point is the news and all these things. They point out the pastor that stole money. There's 350,000 churches. And most of those churches have multiple pastors. There's not one pastor at a church. Usually there's five, six, seven.

[Ryan]

Right. So, yeah, I feel that.

[Brian]

So, yeah, it's propaganda against the Christian church.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I just had one of these, I guess you could call it mega church. It was Justin Bieber's pastor. Okay. And I just thought it was interesting how they really. I think so you have biases.

[Brian]

Why do vices.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've really villainized some of these dudes, so I wanted to get his perspective.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. And it sucks. And it's like, also like, these mega church pastors, bro, they impact hundreds of thousands of people, so it's. It's tough. Like, do I agree with. Should they be making millions of dollars? I don't know. To me, I don't care either way. But if you see someone who's like, Stephen Furtick, do you know who that is?

[Ryan]

Yeah, heard of him, bro.

[Brian]

He's impacting hundreds of millions of people. His songs, like, all those songs that you hear.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Brian]

You know, he wrote a lot of those songs.

[Ryan]

I didn't know.

[Brian]

Did you know that? No. Like, I'll show you real quick.

[Ryan]

One of my favorite guests was a megachurch pastor.

[Brian]

Who was it?

[Ryan]

Erwin McManus.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan]

You heard of him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sharp, dude.

[Brian]

But look, Trusting God, Huge psalm.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Wow. Good for him.

[Brian]

He. He writes.

[Ryan]

I actually love church music.

[Brian]

Yeah, yeah. He writes so many songs, bro. And they travel the country and fill up arenas, and it's like, dude, like, if he makes a million bucks, is he just. It.

[Ryan]

It's like, dude, when they make money indirectly, I don't mind it. So about books and public speaking, stuff like that, I don't mind that at all. You know, it's in business at the end of the day. But, dude, thanks for your time work, beat the scripture, your show and everything.

[Brian]

They could just go to the way with Brian DeVilla on YouTube.

[Ryan]

Cool. Check them out, guys.

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