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CJ Pearson on Jubilee Debate: “They Don’t Want This Conversation”| DSH #1772
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After his Jubilee debate, CJ Pearson sits down for a real conversation about politics, culture, and the future of Gen Z. He talks about why debates get distracted, what the movement needs to fix internally, and why he believes the next wave of young voters is moving in a different direction. We also get into faith, media narratives, coalition-building, and how to stay locked in when the internet is trying to pull you into constant fights. CJ’s “Family Matters” podcast is built to amplify voices you don’t usually hear—this is the mindset behind it. What You’ll Learn 🧠 How CJ thinks about debates and persuasion (without getting derailed) ⏱️ Why structured formats expose weak arguments faster 🧩 What “unity” actually means inside a political movement 🔥 How to stay mission-first when the internet wants conflict 📈 Why Gen Z voting patterns are shifting (and what’s driving it) 🎙️ The purpose behind CJ’s “Family Matters” podcast Chapters (Timestamps) 00:00 – CJ on “saving” communi...
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A
And all these folks saying, oh, President Trump is waging a war on black America by sending the National Guard to cities like Memphis and Chicago. No, no, he's waging a battle to save black America because disproportionately, in all of those cities, you know who is being shot down and killed, Black Americans. And so, no, he is not waging any war on people of color. He is saving people of color by actually giving a damn about them, which the left demonstrably shows each and every opportunity they get. They do not care about us in any way whatsoever.
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B
Okay, guys, here with a good friend, C.J.
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A
Pearson.
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B
Thanks for coming, brother.
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A
Thanks for having me.
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B
Good to see you, as always. I actually just saw your debate on Jubilee.
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A
Yeah.
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B
With Parker, right? Yeah, yeah. How do you think that one?
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A
I think it went well. You know, I think the interesting thing about Parker, I will say behind the scenes, very sensible guy, very agreeable, definitely is not who he is on TikTok, which is interesting to me. But I think it goes to show that when you. These liberal commentators actually debate people who actually know about politics and not just random people on their TikTok lives.
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B
Yeah.
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A
They get a little bit exposed. You know, oftentimes, you know, we would be debating about immigration or whatever, and he would make it about Trump and sexual assault and all these things, which are so interesting to me because I thought the question was about immigration. But, of course, you know, many people on the left don't want to talk about immigration because they know it's a losing issue. And the reason it's a losing issue is because no one wants what happened to Lake and Riley to happen ever again. And it's hard to defend that. The idea that an illegal alien can break into our country, stalk and prey upon a young, innocent girl like Lake and Riley, and we're just supposed to be okay with that. I'm not okay with that. The American people are not okay with that. And President Trump is not okay with that. And he ran on fixing that problem, and the American people stand behind him, and it's not going to be, you know, a few videos of ICE doing their job is not going to change that in any way whatsoever.
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B
I feel like the classic debate tactic they use is to always go to Trump's SA allegations. Always. That's like their Trump card. Always.
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A
It's just. It's so tired, you know, for me, because I look at it and I'm, like, looking at what happened in New York. That was an. A jury of New York City progressives who obviously would have convicted him for jaywalking. And so it's just. It's not important. And I think, obviously, you know, the American people looked at those allegations. They were aware of them, and the American people decided that they weren't worth the salt that they were, you know, held upon.
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B
Yeah, I really liked the format. I think it was the first time I've seen it with the Timers.
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A
Yeah, it was the first episode of that, and I. And I enjoyed that because I think it forces you to listen to the other side. I think oftentimes in debates, you know, you're just interrupting each other, and often times, because you're just ready to get that next point out or ready to interrupt, you're not listening, and it forced you to listen. And so it was. It was a really cool format. I like that they're.
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B
It also fixes the time dynamic because sometimes someone takes over debate, too, right?
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A
Yeah. And I think that's a. You know, what a lot of these problems, progressive folks on Tik Tok do is that they just, like, love to interrupt. They love to interrupt, and it's because it's all they know how to do because they don't actually have anything to stand on in any way whatsoever.
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B
So it was.
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A
It was a really cool thing to be a part of.
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B
Absolutely. Man. We actually met through turning points, so it's just crazy to see what Charlie's built and all the connections we both made that. That assassination really shaped you, I bet.
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A
Yeah. No, it's. It's incredible to be here with 30,000 patriots from all across the country, Honestly, probably the world as well. And, you know, I knew Charlie since I was 12 years old when I made my first YouTube video ever. Charlie found it. He DM me on Twitter when I was still in middle school, and he said, hey, cj, keep up the good work. I love what you're doing, and if you are available, come to our high school conference. And I had to tell Charlie, I said, charlie, I'm in middle school, so I can't come unless you're going to give me a waiver. And so he was like, you're good. You're good to go. And so Charlie was always incredibly supportive of me. I considered him a very, very dear friend. And I think that it's so important for us to all carry the torch, and I think it's important for us to unite. You know, what we have unfortunately seen over the course of the past 48 hours here in Phoenix has been a canon of Real Housewives of Atlanta. It's frankly getting ghetto. And I just, I'm anti ghetto all across the board. I think that instead of actually going on that stage and bashing one another, we should be talking about America and the issues that are on the forefront of the mental of the American people, which is affordability. It's about keeping America safe, making America stronger. Those are the things that are going to keep our country great. And that's the thing. Those are things that are going to keep electing Republicans down the line 100%.
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B
I agree, bro. Everyone's calling each other out on stage. Matt James o' Keefe party. There's like two fights. It's like, it's crazy.
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A
I know. It's literally real houses of Atlanta out here. It's crazy.
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B
And this should be happening on the left, not the right.
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A
Right, exactly. And it's just, it's frankly embarrassing. And I'm like, you know, as the, as a 23 year old, it's so weird to me to have to tell, you know, folks that are twice my age to grow up, but seriously, grow up. Like, it's just so silly to me. The American people are going through, you know, trying times, and President Trump is working incredibly hard to fix those wrongs. And of course, the, you know, terrible policies and agenda of the Biden administration and the credible harm that he wrought upon our country, but we have to focus on them. They don't want to hear about our bitter infighting and random drama. They want to hear about the solutions that are going to make their lives easier.
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B
Absolutely. Speaking of Trump, how have you felt so far in his second administration?
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A
I feel great. I don't think we've ever been more back. I think this president is doing exactly what he ran on, which is securing our border, making America safe again, and making it secure for everyone. You know, it's a shame that in certain cities across America, it was akin to a third world country. And, you know, of course, you have liberals and all these folks saying, oh, President Trump is waging a war on black America by sending the National Guard to cities like Memphis and Chicago. No, no, he's waging a battle to save black America because. Because disproportionately, in all of those cities, you know, who is being shot down and killed black Americans. And so, no, he is not waging any war on people of color. He is saving people of color by actually giving a damn about them, which the left demonstrably shows each and every opportunity they get that they do not care about us in any way whatsoever.
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B
Absolutely. What do you Feel like the biggest threat is right now. Do you think it's the left? Do you think it's Islam? Do you think it's something else?
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A
I think it's the biggest threat is our, is, is ourselves right now. Unfortunately, the division within our party, the division within our movement is, is so self destructive. And again, not to beat a dead horse, but we have to grow up. We have to unite around our common ideals. And Charlie was, that should be his legacy. He was such a uniter, he would bring warring coalitions of people together and say, hey, we all love this country, we all love America, so let's do all that we can to make America great again. And that's what we should continue to channel, continue to fight for, continue to advocate for. And I think that when we do unite, we can focus on what probably is the second biggest threat to our country right now, which is the left's unending agenda to try to undermine the fundamentals of this country. They hate free speech, they hate tolerance, they hate diversity when it comes to actual ideals. They love diversity when it comes to gender, sexuality and all of these things. But God forbid you have a diverse opinion, that is when they want to cancel you. That's when they want to end your life. That's when, you know, the rubber meets the road and it exposes them as astrologers that they are when it comes to these very important issues.
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B
Yeah. Did his death really inspire you? Did it scare you? Walk me through your emotions.
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A
You know, at first I was scared, but I realized I didn't have time to be scared because I think that we have a country to save and I think that there is such urgency right now in doing all that we can to fight to ensure that, you know, I'm 23, but one day I will have kids and I want to make sure they inherit a country just as great as the one that my grandparents lived in, just as great as the one that my parents lived in. It's exactly what Charlie would have wanted. And so I think that we cannot allow ourselves to live in fear. We cannot allow ourselves to cower. Because that's exactly what that assassin wanted us to do. He wanted us to mute ourselves. He wanted us to go into the shadows and say, I'm not wearing my MAGA hat anymore. I'm not going to proclaim that I love my country, that I love my God, no. Just no. We're not going to allow these people to allow us to self cancel ourselves because that again, would be disrespectful to the Life that Charlie led, for sure.
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B
You're 23. How do you feel about the Gen Z generation? Do you feel like they're good hands?
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A
I think we're going to be one of the most conservative generations the country has ever seen. We grew up in a time of cancel culture. We're over it. We think it's, frankly, bullshit. I think when you look at other issues, too, you got to think, you know, in 2020, I had my graduation robbed from me because of COVID 19. I had my prom robbed for me because of COVID 19. We went through these draconian, tyrannical policies, and we saw big government inaction and just how harmful it can be, and we're done with it. And so we're done living in the shadows. We're done cowering. And so I think it's going to be an incredible shift in a way that we've never seen before. In the 2024 election, we saw the youth vote from 18 to 30 swing 20 points in our direction. That is huge. Harry Sisson couldn't stop it, you know, his colleagues on the left, Olivia, Juliana. None of those people could stop it. Why? Because our generation sees through them for the charlatans that they are, for the inauthentic shills that they are as well.
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B
Have you conversed with Harry yet?
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A
You know, I've talked to Harry, and I look forward to debating Harry, but I think he's a little scared. And I understand why, because when he's not getting, you know, fed the dnc, talking points that pay his bills and that, you know, help him stay housed, then he just absolutely has nothing to stand on. So I would actually, you know, reinvite him to engage in that discourse.
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B
Try to set that up.
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A
Let me know.
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B
I. I'll.
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A
I'll go anywhere, any day, anytime. I'm happy to do it. Either we can debate, or we can box one of the two. I'm okay with that.
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B
He brought you up last time I had him on in New York.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Did you want to box him, or did he want to box you?
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A
He wanted to box me.
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B
Okay. He mentioned that I'm. Now, you're looking a little bigger, so.
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A
Yeah. Right. Yeah, I know. Maybe Jake Paul will train me, and I. I don't really know anyone that is on the left and does anything like that, so. Maybe. Maybe Olivia. Juliana can train him. She seems to know her way around.
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B
I know everyone's roasting Jake right now, but the man just made $90 million. I think I would break my jaw for 90 million DOL dollars.
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A
Exactly that. So he, he is a businessman in a league of his own.
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B
Yeah, I, I can't believe like people like, do you even respond to haters? Because I know you get a ton too.
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A
But no, like, it's just, it doesn't matter. It's all noise. I think that we've got to be focused on the mission and the work.
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C
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A
And everything else just works itself out at the, the day. You know, I always think about that Teddy Roosevelt speech about being, you know, in the arena. You're always going to have people shouting at you from the sidelines who aren't courageous enough to stand up for themselves and stand up and fight for our country. And you just got to ignore it. And you've got to realize that to be in this fight, to be in this movement, it has to be a calling from God. Because there are a lot of easier things that you can do that don't get you. Death threats that don't get you canceled online and don't get you, you know, meritless hate. And. But the reason that we all do it is because we love this country and we believe it's worth fighting for.
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B
Yeah. Any new hit pieces on you? I know The New York.
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A
They're coming.
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B
The New York magazine one was pretty interesting.
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A
It was incredible. You know, of course, you know, we threw a pretty iconic inauguration party where they accused me of throwing an all white party. Every day I look in the mirror and I'm like, damn, am I getting. Do I need to start self tanning? I don't know what's going on because apparently I was a white man. But no, I think the reason the New York magazine wrote that deceptive hit piece was because they realized just how diverse the MAGA movement truly is. You have, you see young black men running to the Republican Party now because of President Trump. You see women coming over to our side. You see Jews coming over to our side because of course, it seems as if everyone on the left just wants them dead. And it's quite unfortunate. And so I think we really, truly creating a diverse coalition of people, and that scares the left because if they can't control black people, they can't control minorities. Their grip on power in this country absolutely, completely erodes. And so I would be scared if I were them. Uh, but we've been able to turn into an incredible thing. And we've. We've thrown even more parties since then. Fourth of July, we partnered with soldier boy. Threw a big one there. Rick Ross for Halloween, maybe Nicki Minaj for the next one. Let's go. Yeah, we're all, we're all barbs these days.
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B
She's MAGA now, right?
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A
She is maga. And I think, you know, it goes to show, you know, I was always excited about what was happening with young black men. Right. Because I think that if you can save the hearts and minds of black men and you can save the hearts and minds of the black family, because the black community is very evangelical, very traditional, and black men are still viewed as the head of their households. And so I think if we start there, the rest will follow. But now what we're seeing is a crack within the left's grip on black women, which is a very loyal constituency for those on the Democrat side. When you have Nicki Minaj now calling out the left for transing children and mutilating the genitals of little kids, they should be very, very scared.
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B
Yeah, that's huge. Black families have interesting stats on, like, the fatherless households, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And yeah, I forget the exact numbers, but it's the worst in the country.
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A
It's troubling, and I think it's incredibly disruptive. But it's all by design. If you look at the Great Society, from, you know, folks like, you know, FDR and, you know, LBJ and the entitlement programs that they created. It was meant to create a black community that would be dependent upon the government for their salvation, for their safety, and for their. And replace the black father with Uncle Sam, which is not good for black folks. If you have more of an incentive to be a baby mama than to be a contributing member of society, then that is how we break our country. And so I'm glad to see that we're having this return to agency. There is no reason that you should be on food stamps for all of your life. There's no reason that you should be on government programs for all of your life. They're meant to be a safety net, not a safety jacket, straight jacket that you can never take off and never remove. We got to end the cycle of. Of dependency and victim in this country for sure.
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B
Do you think bringing more Christianity into the mix would help that?
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A
I think it's big, and we're seeing an incredible return to the church among young people, Gen Z especially, which is incredibly great to see. We're seeing young people, you know, clinging towards tradition again, looking for that. And so I think it's great to see, and I think Charlie would be very, very proud.
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B
I actually agree. I'm not even Christian, though. I just think those values will help overall.
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A
The thing is about Christianity, you don't even have to be a Christian. It's just some of the things that you read in the Bible are just a way to lead a good life.
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B
Right?
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A
You know, like, be honest. Like, you know, don't be envious. Like, you know, don't kill, don't steal. All those things are just universal truths that serve you well, whether or not you're a Christian or not. And it's glad to see folks embracing that once again.
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B
I know you got a new pod now, right? Family Matters.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. So we're hosting the Family Matters podcast, which is incredible platform, and the voices that oftentimes the left is so desperate to ignore. You know, of course, we saw an incredible swing from the black community towards the right. We want to continue to sustain that. And so each and every week, we sit down with diverse voices from across the movement and talk about the issues that are shaping our country. A lot of the conversations that are happening in black barbershops, a lot of conversations are happening in living rooms and all those things, and we're super excited about it.
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B
And so I saw a few. I think you dropped a few on YouTube. I watched a couple. It's crushing it. So congrats.
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A
Yeah. Thank you so much.
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B
Yeah. Anything else you want to close off with, man?
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A
I think you covered it all, but, you know, let. Let Harry know whenever he wants to step in the octagon. I'm ready.
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B
I'll text him, bro. I got you, brother. Good seeing you, as always. Check him out, guys.
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C
I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.