Colin Browen: The Dark Truth About Haunted Houston | DSH #1544

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Digital Social Hour Podcast Summary

Episode: Colin Browen: The Dark Truth About Haunted Houston | DSH #1544
Date: September 25, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Colin Browen, investigative paranormal YouTuber, podcaster ("Murder in America," "The Paranormal Files"), and researcher of dark conspiracies

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Overview

On this intense and deeply unsettling episode of Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly welcomes Colin Browen, a prominent ghost hunter and investigator of true crime and the paranormal, for a wide-ranging, explicit conversation. The episode explores Houston’s haunted history, the intersection of trauma and supernatural phenomena, and a deep-dive into the darkest realities of organized abuse, snuff films, and elite-run criminal networks—including the ongoing failures to expose human trafficking at the highest levels. Through candid discussion and shocking anecdotes, Browen pulls back the curtain on the interplay between the supernatural and true evil in society, pushing listeners to reconsider what’s possible—and what’s hiding in plain sight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Houston's Haunted Realities and Personal Experiences

• The Texas Killing Fields

  • Colin describes Houston as surprisingly haunted, citing its proximity to the infamous "Texas Killing Fields," where over 30 women and girls have been found murdered, most cases unsolved ([00:43]).

    "For years I told my wife I didn't want to move to Houston because I viewed it as being not haunted... I've come to find out that it is incredibly haunted." (Colin, [00:43])

  • Describes Heavy Atmosphere: Being in the woods at the killing fields, Colin received the name 'Robert' on his paranormal device, later realizing suspect Robert Abel’s property was nearby—and that he died by suicide adjacent to the sites ([02:12]).

• Energy Residue in Places of Tragedy

  • Sean and Colin reflect on the "residue" violent crimes leave, noting how high-trauma sites, like the Villisca Axe Murder house and Belle Plaine murder house, become paranormal hotspots ([03:03]).

    "A murder... is going to leave the darkest, most powerful stain on an environment." (Colin, [03:11])

  • Details a Belle Plaine home where multiple brutal deaths overlapped, with literal blood and body decay stains remaining, uncleaned for decades ([04:47]).

• Paranormal Inconsistencies & Portals

  • Colin shares how some famous haunted places (e.g. Eastern State Penitentiary) seemed empty to him, while random homes teem with activity, defying simple logic.

    "I've been to places that are supposed to be the most haunted on earth and nothing happened to me." (Colin, [05:40])

  • Suggests that trauma might open "portals" for energies—good or bad—to interact ([05:32]).

The Nature of Haunting: Location vs. People

• Darkness Follows People, Not Just Places

  • Colin describes his own teenage experience: after moving into a new house, his family was plagued by terrifying paranormal activity that seemed tied as much to their own inner trauma as to location ([09:57]).

    "I feel more like the energy that was within us was pulling stuff in..." (Colin, [10:42])

• Haunted Families & Generational Trauma

  • Suggests that certain families harbor generational "demons," with trauma acting as a magnet for darkness ([11:59]).

    "I've talked to so many people that have had these generational demons, whether it started from a trauma way in the past... or it's somebody who's done something really bad." (Colin, [11:59])

The Occult, Cannibalism, and Symbolism

• Interviewing a Real Cannibal and Occultist

  • Colin recounts building a friendship with Nico, a French-Italian cannibal involved in autopsy work and Satanic ritual. Provides insight into dark arts rituals and their motivations ([12:18]).
  • Details their exploration of occult symbology in European castles: statues and motifs depicting pagan and sacrificial rites are "in plain sight" in architecture ([14:24], [15:06]).

• Symbolism as Karma Offset?

  • Sean floats the idea (from a numerologist friend) that public occult symbols are meant to "offset karma," a theory new to Colin ([14:09]).

• Children as Victims in Rituals

  • Colin relates testimony from a trafficking survivor describing an elite ritual murder witnessed as a child, involving police impersonators and extreme brutality ([33:28]).

    "As a part of this ritual... they had a woman laid out... This guy walked up to this woman, stuck a pistol up her private area and fired and blew her head off." (Colin, [33:28]) "They then told her that she needed to go lick the meat, so she had to get down and lick all this stuff up." (Colin, [33:29])

Elite Pedophile Rings, Cover-Ups & Blackmail

• Epstein, Blackmail & The Web of Elite Abuse

  • Colin recounts working closely with a journalist who obtained Epstein’s black book years before mainstream coverage, and how both political parties avoid real investigation to protect themselves ([16:43]).

    "When you read the files, like go through actually these court filings... this is so real and way different than what you even think it is." (Colin, [17:44])

  • Details systemic connections: blackmail is used as political leverage, with the actual traffickers and abusers never prosecuted—only enablers ([21:30]).

• Ring Leaders Always Replaced

  • Asserts that after figures like Epstein fall, others quickly fill the void, often for political blackmail purposes ([19:01]).

• Current and Historical Cases

  • Discussion of Diddy’s alleged blackmail operations and speculation about intelligence agency complicity ([22:02]).
  • Historic cases include North Fox Island’s Frank Sheldon, alleged to have run America’s true "first pedophile island" ([43:38]).

• The Franklin Cover-Up and Belgian Mark Dutroux

  • Colin references books ("The Franklin Coverup," "One Nation Under Blackmail") and explosive cases like Belgium’s Dutroux affair, highlighting patterns of witness deaths, government inaction, and systematic cover-ups ([38:45]).

Snuff Films & The Reality of Extreme Darkness

• Snuff Films Exist

  • Colin debunks claims that "snuff films" (pornographic murder videos) are urban legend—providing the infamous Peter Scully case as proof ([29:43], [31:13]).

    "I've argued with people many times... they're like, oh yeah, snuff films don't exist... But they've been proven to be real." (Colin, [31:13])

• Most Disturbing Internet Videos

  • Describes the Bajoran tape—evidence from Europe in the ‘90s which led to international exposure of pedophile and snuff film networks ([28:45]).

The Dark Web & AI-fueled Exploitation

• Dark Web Activity Has Only Increased

  • Despite high-profile busts, child exploitation rings remain ever-active, with most perpetrators unprosecuted ([34:31]).

    "It's so much worse today than it's ever been." (Colin, [34:31])

  • Colin and Sean lament minimal prosecution ratios: e.g., just 9 convicted from 250,000 users on a busted pedophile site ([27:21]).

• AI Deepfakes and New Threats

  • Warns about AI-generated child porn, framed whistleblowers, and the potential quashing of dissent through digital evidence planting ([25:29], [36:26]).

Silencing Whistleblowers

• Mysterious Deaths and Suicides

  • Discusses the suspicious deaths of whistleblowers in several scandals—including AI researcher Suchir Balaji and the Boeing case ([41:42]).

    "Anytime that somebody says that they're going to be exposing something and then they commit suicide, you know, that they didn't commit suicide." (Colin, [41:47])

  • Mentions John McAfee's alleged suicide as further evidence of silencing.

• Legal Gags and Non-Disclosure

  • Even confirmed Epstein survivors are paid hush money and made to sign NDAs ([41:13]).

Wikipedia & Media Gaslighting

• Suppression of Truth Online
  • Colin decries Wikipedia and major gatekeepers for portraying proven cases like the Franklin scandal as "hoaxes," erasing mountains of documentation ([47:19]).

    "I don't trust Wikipedia also... If you look into the Franklin cover up ... Wikipedia... basically state[s] that the entire thing was a carefully crafted hoax." (Colin, [47:17])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On True Evil:

  "Every dark possibility that you can imagine is real and has happened." (Colin, [32:27])

• On Systemic Corruption:

  "When you look at any administration, they're not going to release the Epstein files because everybody's in on it... It's so many of them have been corrupted from both sides that there's nowhere to even turn to. No one's going to give you the truth." (Colin, [17:44])

• On Personal Experience and Family Hauntings:

  "It makes more sense to me now as an adult looking back at it, because the stories of the property... doesn't really make sense with the haunting. But it was so scary that it felt like we were living in a horror film every single night." (Colin, [10:42])

• On Children as Victims in Rituals:

  "She said as a part of this ritual, they had a woman, an adult woman laid out in the center of this circle, and this guy stuck a pistol up her private area and fired and blew her head off." (Colin, [33:28])

• On Whistleblower Risk:

  "Anytime that somebody says that they're going to be exposing something and then they commit suicide, you know, that they didn't commit suicide." (Colin, [41:47])

• On Media & Gatekeeping:

  "How do you expose the deep state... when you don't know who's running it? You don't know how to look for it. You don't know what the signs are. It's just there." (Colin, [47:19])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:43 – Colin describes Houston’s surprisingly haunted status and the Texas Killing Fields.
• 03:03 – The link between violence, trauma, and supernatural activity in "murder houses."
• 05:40 – Why some haunted places feel empty and others unexpectedly active.
• 09:57 – How trauma and family history can "haunt" people, not just buildings.
• 12:18 – Interviewing an occultist cannibal and exploring the use of pagan symbols.
• 16:43 – Institutional cover-up around Epstein and the mechanics of blackmail.
• 21:30 – Discussion on the prosecution gap in human trafficking and blackmail rings.
• 29:43 – Snuff films: debunking the myth that they "don’t exist."
• 33:28 – Survivor testimony illustrating ritual murder witnessed in childhood.
• 34:31 – The persistence of child exploitation on the dark web.
• 41:47 – Whistleblower deaths and the AI suicides—connecting patterns.
• 47:19 – Wikipedia and the persistent erasure/discrediting of documented abuse cases.

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Resources Mentioned / Where to Find Colin

• YouTube: The Paranormal Files (paranormal and true crime investigations)
• YouTube (Conspiracies): The Conspiracy Files
• Podcast: Murder in America

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is candid, often graphic, deeply sobering, and at times conspiratorial—but consistently rooted in evidence and empathetic concern for the victims. Colin’s delivery is blunt, sometimes darkly humorous, and always direct. Listeners are left with a sense of the gravity of the world’s darkest corners and the persistent structures that shield abusers from consequences. Browen urges awareness, skepticism, and the courage to question official narratives—reminding listeners that "every dark possibility... is real and has happened."

Transcript

[A]

She said as a part of this ritual, they had a woman, an adult woman laid out in the center of this circle, and this guy stuck a pistol up her private area and fired and blew her head off.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And this woman testified that they then told her that she needed to go lick the meat, so she had to get down and lick all this stuff up. Foreign.

[B]

Excited for this one. I got on a ghost hunter. He's been doing this for over 10 years now. We got Colin. Thanks for joining us, man.

[A]

Thanks for having me, dude. Welcome to Houston.

[B]

Yeah, welcome to Houston. Right? One of the more haunted cities, I'd say, based off your videos.

[A]

You know, it's actually interesting because for years I told my wife I didn't want to move to Houston because I viewed it as being not haunted. Like, I was living in Austin at the time, but as I've, you know, lived here for the last year and a half and kind of explored all these communities, I've come to find out that it is incredibly haunted. Not only because of the history, but, I mean, you got one of the most haunted places in all of Texas right outside of here. The Texas Killing Fields.

[B]

Is that animals or is that.

[A]

It's humans. Oh, humans, yeah. 30 plus women and girls found in this kind of geometric area outside of Houston. It's probably 20 minutes from where we're at right now. And they're all unsolved except for like four. They think that they can be attributed to this one guy, but the rest are just. Yeah, no. No answers in the story.

[B]

Holy crap. So when you went there, did you sense anything? Did you see anything abnormal?

[A]

Yeah, that. So that video did really well for me. It was kind of one of my first times doing a true crime paranormal mix. My wife and I co host the podcast Murder in America, so we covered that story. And just being out there, a thing that I feel like nobody. You can't really get across on YouTube is the feeling of being somewhere. Like you walk into a building, even this building. It's like you get no energy, no vibe. It's just you're here at some random place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But out there in the woods, especially if you go back past the area where these four victims bodies were found. It's so heavy. And we actually got on one of our devices the name Robert, and at the time had no idea what that meant. You know, I made a little remark. Oh, maybe we should look into this. I'm editing the video later on, researching even further into the case. Robert is the name of the guy who they suspected of being guilty of some of these crimes. Robert Abel, and he killed himself by driving his car onto some train tracks, parking, and letting the train run into him. And his. His. Literally, from where we were at at that moment, it's like, this is the killing fields area, and his farm property is literally right next door. Like, you could see the property from where we were standing. So, yeah, I would say that it's haunted, definitely.

[B]

I always thought it was so interesting how. How these heinous crimes like murders and rapes or whatever, it leaves this energy residue behind. It seems like. Right.

[A]

I would say out of all types of events that can occur, a murder, a crime, is going to leave the darkest, most powerful stain on an environment. Like the Villisca Axe Murder house is super famous, obviously. Eight people axed to death in their beds. You have Lizzie Borden. So many of these haunted locations that are infamous in America were the scenes of really gruesome crimes. We did a place last year. It was the video of mine that did the best of the entire year because it was so crazy. At this murder house in Belle Plaine, Iowa. And if you watch the video, you'll see this. It's nuts. Basically, in the 80s, this guy killed his mother and father and then killed himself. And instead of doing a thorough cleanup of the home, I don't really know the chain of custody and what happened there, but they literally just tiled over and put new materials up in the house. So then in 2016, there was another violent incident where this woman was basically hacked up with a samurai sword. And she didn't die from it, but she was bleeding all over the place. And then I think it was months later, but I could be wrong on that. She was eventually found dead on the couch in the home. So there's this history of murder and just, like, darkness there. And we went and we brought luminol to test all the floors and the surfaces. Luminol, you know, if you spray it and it detects blood, essentially. I mean, it can detect a lot of things, but blood's kind of what they use it for. It glows bright blue. Every single surface that we tested in that house was, like, splattered with blood.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

It was the most gruesome thing. And the owner's actually with us in the video. He's peeling back some of these tiles on the floor, and you can see the blood stains. They're still there in the house, like, there. I forget what it's called when the fat breaks down in a body and there's Some chemical process, but you can actually, we went under the house. You can see where the fat from the people when they were decaying leaked through the floorboards. It's still there. That's insane. Never cleaned it up. And that place was incredibly active because, you know, it's a very tragic way to end your life. And there's no resolution for so many of these cases. Especially the woman who passed in 2016. They think that she might have been murdered. It's still kind of unresolved.

[B]

It makes you wonder when such a strong energy explosion or whatever happens, is that a portal opening up to the demonic realm?

[A]

I've, you know, I've thought about that many times because it's strange, man. I've been to places that are supposed to be the most haunted on earth and nothing happened to me. For example, Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia is supposed to be like the most haunted prison in America.

[B]

Right?

[A]

2019. I had the whole place to myself with one other person that was with me. And the entire night it was complete crickets. It was silence. And it's like it's a famous location where it just looks so creepy. These unending passageways and hallways and all the cell blocks. Al Capone had a personal prison cell in there that was all pimped out. Like you had a record player and a comfy bed, but nothing. And then random locations like this woman in San Angelo who invited me earlier this year to come investigate her old family home. There's no real record of crime happening in there, but it was one of the most active places I've ever stepped inside of.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And yeah, it doesn't really make sense to me, the paranormal.

[B]

So it's interesting. I wonder if these portals can open and close. Maybe someone cleared up the penitentiary port and it's no longer haunted. I don't know.

[A]

Well, it's. It's really interesting in that case specifically because later on when I was thinking about it, the history of that prison.

[B]

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[A]

Go anywhere without it back then with penitentiaries, they would make people wear even like cloth coverings on their shoes because they wanted to promote this idea of silence being healing. So people weren't allowed to talk, they weren't allowed to make noise. It was like they wanted it to be quiet. So I don't know if that's why it was like dead silent. But another case in point is the conjuring house. I've been to the conjuring house multiple times now, and it's not this super evil, demonic, terrifying location. I actually had a really good night when I was there the last time my family was with me and we were cracking jokes, interacting with the spirits. It was a really positive vibe.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Um, but you tell someone you've been to the conjuring house, they're like, hell no. You know, like, put the cross up.

[B]

So you've met nice spirits?

[A]

Yeah, I've. I've done paranormal investigations where like, I was with my parents and my wife on one of these ghost hunts that we did. And this was in Milwaukee at this infamous haunted mansion. We're sitting there telling jokes to the spirits and our devices are hitting like the REM pods, lighting up their EMF fluctuation. No way. And it's like the spirits were laughing at our jokes.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

And this place is supposed to have, you know, a negative energy like a murder that allegedly happened in the basement. But I don't know, it's not always a clear cut case of good and bad. You know, there's. Especially with portals. It'd be a good spirit, it could be a bad spirit. And I've also wondered how they're able.

[B]

To hear us, but it's hard to hear them. What's your theory on that?

[A]

I don't know. I mean, what. The way I like to think about this is if someone tells you that they know what's happening when it comes to the paranormal, fucking run the other way. Because there are no actual experts. I can sit here and tell you my theories, but nobody really knows what's going on. I think that, you know, in some cases what you're experiencing are people and their energies. But so many times over the last 10 years we've done these investigations and it doesn't really seem like a conscious entity. It's almost like you're just hearing this conversation from the other side of the wall. It's repeating itself. So my theory is that a lot of these locations don't have these conscious beings that are trying to, you know, spook you out or interact with you. You're just tapping into something that happened in the past.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But my opinions over the years have also changed on demons and the demonic, Because I used to not believe in that stuff at all. Until I had some very personal experiences and started noticing patterns. Those whatever they are, Creatures, beings, demons, they are conscious, and they're attracted to negative, dark energy, Especially people that I've known, Myself included. In my family, if you have a low vibration or you're going through something traumatic, I feel like those things, even just in the environment, Are attracted to a person. Like my family. We built a house when I was in high school, Moved into the house immediately. First day that we moved in, Started seeing signs of paranormal activity. Started with my younger sister experiencing something. Moved on to my entire family Having these wild experiences Where I was hearing my mom's voice when she was asleep. I heard something crawling around my bed on the floor, like, all fours, like, geez, crawling around. And I used to think that it might have been the settlers that were on the land, because we looked into the whole history of the place and the property through the historical society in south dakota, Found some people that we could have attributed the whole thing to. But nowadays, when I look back at it, My family was going through a very dark time, and I feel more like the energy that was within us Was pulling stuff in, Whether it's through a portal. Like, we had psychics come in and do a cleansing. They said that there was a portal or just something that's in the environment, Walking around, waiting to find someone it can latch onto. It makes more sense to me now as an adult looking back at it, because the stories of the property and the history doesn't really make sense with the haunting. But it was so scary that it felt like we were living in a horror film every single night. It was so creepy.

[B]

That's an interesting take, Because a lot of people think the actual location's haunted, but they don't talk about maybe the family that's moving in there could bring the haunting.

[A]

I think that families can definitely be haunted. I've talked to so many people that have had these generational demons, Whether it started from a trauma way in the past, and it's carried, you know, on to the present day, or it's somebody who's done something really bad. I've interviewed so many people, and, I mean, I interviewed a cannibal, and he's actually a friend of mine now. What? Who works at a cannibal? Yeah, his name's nico. I'm Actually going to be back in Italy filming some more videos with him later this year. And he's got a very interesting take because he was doing these bizarre self rituals where he was going into cemeteries, breaking into them in France, sleeping with like the bodies in the cemetery and at the same time working as, I believe an autopsy technician. I might be wrong on that, but it was something to do with mortuaries. And he was actually cutting off pieces of bodies, bringing them home, cooking them, eating them and doing that as a part of like a satanic dark arts ritual because he wanted to become closer to Satan, I guess. Wow. And yeah, it's really, really weird because when you're sitting there talking to somebody like that, he's so normal and so nice and you have to kind of remind yourself, you know, this guy killed someone and ate I don't know how many people. But he's really, really smart and he knows a lot about the occult because he's been in those circles and that's what we used him for. And why, you know, we started up this friendship because he taught us so much decoding. These weird sculptures at this palace outside of Paris, about an hour. Fountain blue. And yeah, when you're in that world, there's. There's so much occult symbology just everywhere in our society. You don't even really realize it until you start looking for it. And then you start seeing these patterns and different things and you're kind of like, well, maybe, maybe these people were right this whole time. It's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. I've heard they use the symbol symbology to offset karma.

[A]

Yeah, interesting.

[B]

So they have to show what, what they're doing so they don't get bad karma in future lives or something.

[A]

I've never heard that. That's crazy.

[B]

I have a numerologist friend that talks about that. Yeah. Because a lot of symbols are actually pretty demonic or however you want to say. Evil. Yeah, in plain sight.

[A]

It is, it is in plain sight. Like this castle that we went to. I have a whole video of us doing this. He's going through Nico, my brother in law Connor and I, and just walking us through the statues and talking about, oh, this Greek God they used to sacrifice, you know, humans to for this specific purpose. And it relates to this, you know, sculpture over here. It's this really bizarre. You can find a picture of it online. It's this castle where there's this pool. It's like a flowing. I don't want to call it a river, but like a little. I forget the word for it. It's flowing water.

[B]

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[A]

And they have these statues. Like this one. It looks like Jesus crucified, but he has a deer skull and antlers coming out of his head. And that's supposed to represent a pagan God, I believe. And on the other side, it's Gaia, another goddess. But it's really, really strange. Like, you look at this thing, and it just feels evil. And so we brought Nico there, and he's, like, you know, decoding the whole thing, talking about this statue, you know, 100 yards this way, has to do with the human sacrifice, and they're sacrificing people right here, and they do this all when the castle shut down. And it's really weird. It's like the pedophile ring thing. You don't want to believe in this stuff, and you don't even want to think that it's real until you kind of start looking into it on your own, and you realize not only is this shit real, but it's so much bigger than you could have ever conceptualized. And it's so much more of a problem. And it's a problem we don't talk about. Who talks about it?

[B]

Yeah, right there.

[A]

Think about politicians, man. Who in our political world sits there and talks about sex trafficking, pedophile rings, any of this stuff? They never bring it up.

[B]

No one.

[A]

It's so crazy.

[B]

Only one I've seen maybe, is Alex Jones.

[A]

Yeah, but he's not a politician. Yeah, I'm talking about, you know, whoever. From Ted Cruz to whatever, a Democrat someone would reference Bernie Sanders. Like, they never bring this stuff up. And I have my own theories on.

[B]

All that, but be some blackmail, who knows?

[A]

Yeah, you got to look into the. The Epstein thing, man. That's, what, a botched release of all the files that they've done.

[B]

I mean, they didn't release anything, did they?

[A]

No. It's really funny. One of my really good friends who I've been working on this upcoming documentary with, he was the first guy who got Epstein's black book years ago, over a decade ago. And he was trying to get people to publish it. This was in, like, 2012. And no one would take it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Years later, obviously, people started wanting to look into this whole thing, but he'd been, you know, telling the media that Epstein's molesting children for years, and. And no one did anything about it. So when you look at you know, any administration, they're not going to release the Epstein files because everybody's in on it. And that's obviously, I have my conspiracy show where I talk about this stuff all the time, but it's not a right versus left problem. It's not like, oh, the Republicans are molesting kids and the Democrats are the heroes or vice versa. It's so many of them have been corrupted from both sides that there's nowhere to even turn to. No one's going to give you the truth. Like, I even made a TikTok and Instagram talking about, you know, Elon Musk's tweet about Donald Trump in the Epstein files, you know, talking about why aren't they releasing this stuff? And, and what's the deal with this entire thing? And I had a lot of people comment saying, well, you know, if Biden would have had any information on Trump, he would have released the Epstein files and used it against him. But that's not true because there are so many Democrats that are also in the Epstein files that doing something like that would ripple out to your party as well. It would open the can of worms. So it's like everybody's just going to keep their mouth shut so that the can of worms stays closed. It's not really that hard for me to understand. I get people online. But when you read the files, like go through actually these court filings and the documents, I have this disc of like 2000 plus pages of Epstein documents. And you read all of them, you come to realize that this is so real and it's. It's way different than what you even think it is. It's crazy.

[B]

You think these rings are still going on right now?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, 100%. It's really interesting because with my. On my journey to kind of play a part in helping to expose these things, I never believed that this could have been possible. I was one of those people that heard the stories about Epstein and kind of thought, oh, yeah, that's weird. Like, there's some weird stuff surrounding that, but there's no way that these powerful people are molesting children. But I read this book called the Franklin Cover up, and it just absolutely opened my mind into a whole new realm of possibilities, which honestly, I would prefer to have not discovered because now it's like everything seems nefarious. But Epstein, you know, some people think he's alive, but he's dead. But someone else has to fill that void because especially when it comes to Epstein and so many of these other rings, it's blackmail. It's a political thing. It's not just these sick that want to molest kids. This is like a political power grab. And you know that someone else had to have stepped in to fill the void. Who is it? We just don't know.

[B]

Wow. So you think they, they had that plan like a second guy ready to go?

[A]

Oh, they had to have. I mean, imagine the power. Imagine. Imagine if, especially if you're from a foreign government, right? You have an American politician on video or in photos molesting a kid. You own that person, they'll dance for you, they'll do whatever you ask them to. If they need to support a bill that's going to support your country or even here in America, if you want to pull the strings a certain direction, they'll do it. Because that's the absolute worst thing that could, I think in my mind ever come out about someone that you molest children. And that's, that's what this whole thing is. I mean, there's. There have been multiple blackmail rings that have been exposed over the years. But Epstein is so crazy because who was buying the kids? Who was buying these young women? They've never identified, to my knowledge, a single person and prosecuted them for actually participating in the sex trafficking. Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison for sex trafficking related charges. Who was she trafficking these children to? That's just the question that they don't wanna. They don't want to answer for some reason.

[B]

Yeah, that rabbit hole goes deep.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's crazy. And Epstein isn't the first. A really great book that I read about this entire thing. One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb. I would recommend to you or anybody else who's listening, it's really eye opening because you see exactly how these people are made, what they do, and then obviously they can't have you talking about it. So you're gonna either end up dead or in prison.

[B]

That is crazy. You think the Diddy stuff was on Epstein's level or you think that was more elemental?

[A]

Yeah, no, I think, I mean, I think there were intelligence. I don't know what the agencies. Yeah, intelligence agencies. And there are angles of the Diddy thing that just don't make sense. And once again, if you go back and think about it from the angle of blackmail, here you have P. Diddy. He's got dozens, hundreds, thousands. We don't even really know the scope yet of tapes and photographs of these people engaging in freak offs. We still don't know the ages of the people that were involved in all this. I actually interviewed a woman who said she saw children at a freak off.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But if an intelligence agency hears that this person has this piggy bank full of blackmail, why wouldn't they act on that? Why wouldn't they reach out to Diddy and say, hey, you know, you can come work with us. We'll help sweeten the deal. If you ever get busted and we have to do this, we'll make sure this doesn't happen to you or this goes a certain way. I think that whole thing is much more insidious than people even realize. But, you know, it's Diddy and it's kind of funny to some people. Like the baby oil Freak off. So did. He's a freak, but you're like, no, Diddy was a really bad dude. He is one. He's still alive.

[B]

Yeah. The trials have been pretty entertaining though.

[A]

Yeah, it's been, it's crazy. I mean, my, my friend who wrote the book and who published the Epstein book, he immediately was telling me like a year ago when stuff started to come out about Diddy, that he was working for somebody and there was going to be some level of a cover up and everything that he's told me was going to happen has happened.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's been crazy. Like line by line, every single step of the way it's been playing out like he predicted. So I don't want to make any baseless allegations here, but there's just so much, there's so much that they've covered up over the years that we will never even know the scope of these cover ups. Dude, it's so crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Trump's big ding when he was running was exposing these like he was going to release the 911 files, JFK files, the Epstein list.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We've seen very little. I guess we saw some of the JFK stuff, but nothing too crazy.

[A]

No. And the Epstein, mark my words, the Epstein documents, there is no list. That's a common misconception. Yeah. That stuff will never be released. And I think it's hilarious actually looking at people like Cash Patel, Dan Bongino coming out now and saying they know for a fact Epstein killed himself. And I can't remember who said it and what the context was, but essentially saying that they have video evidence that Epstein killed himself. First of all, when you give a press conference and say that, why not immediately release the video footage that you're talking about? They still haven't released it. They just said it and then it made a headline and Disappeared years. And second of all, with AI capabilities, I've met and talked to so many people that are like, even if they do produce a video of Epstein, like a video in his cell of him hanging himself, no one's gonna believe it because of, you know, we know how powerful AI is just for consumers. We have no idea how powerful it is behind the scenes. What they can create, what they can't create. That's some really spooky shit, too.

[B]

That is spooky. That's gonna be the future.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, these deep fake videos aren't. Yeah. Well, the child porn videos and AI. How many stories have emerged just in the last year or so of teachers? This episode is brought to you by Lifelock. When you visit the doctor, you probably hand over your insurance, your ID and contact details. It's just one of the many places that has your personal info, and if any of them accidentally expose it, you could be at risk for identity theft. LifeLock monitors millions of data points a second. If you become a victim, they'll fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. Save up to 40% your first [e-mail] podcast terms apply using these AI programs to generate child porn. These are like teachers generating child porn of their students in class.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

There's a case in Austin, Texas, that came out a few months ago of a guy doing that. And this. This is a problem that's happening everywhere, and especially when it comes to the dark web. We just have no idea how many pedophiles are out there. It's really shocking, like, when they bust these websites, right? Like, welcome to Video was a famous website that they busted. They'll find that they have, like 250,000 members, registered pedophiles that are downloading, trading, you know, swapping child porn with each other. Yeah. They'll find this huge database of these people, and they essentially narrow it down to like 100 folks that they go arrest. And then it whittles down even further to like nine people that get prosecuted. So out of 250,000 individuals, only nine of them are serving sentences, and the rest, 249,993, they're all just cut loose and let back out into the world and they start these websites all over again.

[B]

I guess it's a bandwidth issue for them. They probably can't handle that many people. Right. The prison system gets.

[A]

Yeah. Or, I mean, I don't know. I just. Personally, I think that we're way too lax on child predators and the sentences, especially in places like Canada and England. I can't tell you how many stories I've covered where they're talking about, oh, this guy, you know, like, molested a baby. It's like the most horrific story you've ever read. This guy traded 50,000 child porn images, and he had 20 terabytes of child porn. And you think this guy's got to be locked up for. For life? I mean, that's what I would like to see. But the end of the article, it's like, without a fail, they get two years, eight years. Damn, it's crazy. And when you consider every single child porn image and video, it's a victim that's appearing in that video. So if a guy has 8,000 child porn images, that's, you know, in theory, 8,000 victims that they played a part in victimizing. So I don't get why they refuse to prosecute people with that mindset. And they just, you know, we've seen so many times when they let these people back out into the community, they reoffend and they reoffend, and some people are just absolutely unrepentant about it.

[B]

That's insanity. You did a video on the most disturbing video on the Internet, the Bajoran tape. Was that related to child porn or something else?

[A]

Yeah, so the Bjorn tape was a recording that was uncovered in Europe in the 1990s. And it was essentially this young boy who was being brutally molested by two adults. And according to sources that had viewed the video recording, this kid was screaming and crying in pain. It was just horrific. And there are actually stills from the video that you can find online. Like in this documentary that they released about it, you can see one of the pedophiles carrying this child who's obviously been drugged or incapacitated to be raped. They tied him down in a chair and then molested him. And when that tape was uncovered, it led the police to this entire underground network of not only child porn producers in Amsterdam and England and Europe, but also snuff film producers. And that's a really big thing that I've tried to kind of raise the alarm about is snuff films.

[B]

What's a snuff films?

[A]

A snuff film. So people categorize snuff films in different ways, but to my understanding, a snuff film is a video recording of someone being murdered with the intent for it to be watched sexually by someone later on. Like pornography that actually exists. Yeah. So there's. There's a snopes.com article talking about snuff Films, and I think they claim that snuff films don't exist, but there are actually a number of recorded incidents. Like one of them is Peter Scully. He was an Australian guy. This is a very famous story. He created this absolutely horrific video called Daisy's Destruction. I believe he was in Thailand, but it was him and a female accomplice and together they molested these young girls. And one of the girls after being molested was actually murdered on camera. And that sounds so hard to believe that you don't even want to think that it's real, but it's a real thing. That was then distributed on the Dark Web. I believe it was $10,000 per copy. You could pay. But Josh Duggar, I forget the show that he was on, he had a copy of Daisy's Destruction on his storage when the police arrested him for. I can't remember what they got him for, but child pornography related charges. So this video actually made its way out into the world of Dark web pornography. And that's just what's insane to me because I've, I've argued with people many times over the years, especially online. They're like, oh yeah, snuff films don't exist. They can't be real. But they've been proven to be real. Like the Peter Scully horrific event in that whole video and the production of it and dissemination of it, that really happened. So imagine back in the 70s or the 60s when we didn't have the Internet and you couldn't track these things as easily and you couldn't identify IP addresses and see who's producing this. Think of how many kids were not only molested on camera, but murdered on camera that we just don't know about. And that's the theory is they would only make 5 to 10 copies of this specific film and it would be like a literal roll of film, like a canister of film. So if you, if you're smart about it, if you're one of these guys and the police are going to come down on you, you just get rid of the film, you know, maybe watch it five times and get rid of it. It's, it's very real. And that's just, that's just one of those things that once you start looking into all this stuff, every dark possibility that you can imagine is real and has happened.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's crazy, dude.

[B]

It's hard to fathom.

[A]

Yeah. And working with like victims of these crimes and crying with them like I have been for the last year and hearing their stories, they're so Hard to believe. Like, there was this woman that I interviewed recently in another country, and she was telling us in our crew that her parents trafficked her. Her parents were a part of a pedophile ring. And when she was young, at one point they brought her to this ritual type event in the woods where people were wearing, she described cop outfits, like outfits that would be worn by officials. And she said to us, this is all on camera. That as a part of this ritual, at one point they had a woman, an adult woman laid out in the center of this circle. And this guy walked up to this woman, stuck a pistol up her private area and fired and blew her head off.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And this woman testified to me and everybody here on the recording that they then told her that she needed to go lick the meat so she had to get down and lick all this stuff up. And that was just one event. And she's, you know, telling us there's 20, 30 kids involved in this hold. And at the end, you ask her, so did, did anyone ever get arrested for this? Was there ever, you know, a big thing? No, no, they just. No one believes them. So, yeah, the, the extent of depravity. Depravity is, is just insane, man. And it hurts my heart to think that this happens. But hopefully through doing movies and shows and talking about it, we can at least make people more aware that these things are not fake and they're not some conspiracy theory online. These are real events that happen to real people that are just beyond the realm of what you and I can imagine.

[B]

Yeah, doing nuts. Is the dark web still as utilized today or did that sort of get cracked down on by governments?

[A]

Dude, it's so much worse today than it's ever been. Yeah.

[B]

Holy crap. Because they shut down Silk Road, right?

[A]

Yeah, they shut down Silk Road. But you know, a lot of these websites where these pedophiles tend to congregate, they're not easily found or accessible. And so many times these investigations are started by someone providing a tip. And that's what's crazy, is this one tip off can lead to this network being exposed of hundreds of thousands of people. But like we just said, usually what happens is four or five of these people get arrested and charged and, you know, put in prison for this, and the others are cut loose. So what are they going to do? They're not just going to quit being a pedophile. The moment that their service gets shut down, they're going to go find another. And with the Internet and AI and how fast all this stuff is happening in our culture. It's just. You have no idea what these people are doing. And that's what's shocking, I think, about these investigations is so many of these pedophiles and predators are people you trust. You know, whether it's a youth group leader or a Catholic priest or a teacher at a school doctor at a hospital. Even in my hometown in South Dakota, I believe it was, the fire chief was outed as having a child porn collection. And then right down the street from me, one of the city representatives, he was found to have child porn on his computer, and he killed himself. So these are. These are people that you trust. They're not like, you know, the typical pedophile in a white van offering candy to kids and, you know, sitting on their computer with Mountain Dew. They're normalized people. And that's what's the most frightening, because they're not easy to find.

[B]

That is scary. I've also heard the opposing take of child porn can be planted on you pretty easily, too. That one scares me, dude.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

Like, I'm scared of that.

[A]

Me, too. That's. I mean, Palantir, That's.

[B]

Yeah, that's a whole rabbit hole right there.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's some really scary shit. Whitney Webb talks about that in her book. And that's a really crazy thing that, you know, frightens me. But, you know that they've done it. It's just, who have they done it to?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And how are they going to silence people in the future? Because, you know, how many whistleblowers have killed themselves or, you know, jumped off of a balcony? But these are different ways that they're figuring out, you know, different ways to silence people now. And that's. It's really frightening stuff, especially when you work in this world. Like, we have been exposing things that have never been seen or talked about. It's a genuine, like, fear not, you know, necessarily like, being caught with child porn. But what can they do? And how can they do it? It's. They can do things in ways that we can't even imagine.

[B]

Yeah. We don't know what type of weapons they have.

[A]

No.

[B]

Like, they're probably 50 years ahead of what they disclose to the public.

[A]

Oh, yeah, of course. And it's really wild. Like, I did this video on my channel about just the politicians in America. I went A through Z and we listed every single pedophile politician that we could find and, like, the crimes that they were convicted of, and it's hundreds. There are so many and probably so many more that I missed in the research for that video. I don't know what it is about these positions of power that people are attracted to, but I mean, I have no doubt that if we knew everything about every politician or every CEO, business, you know, leader and executive, the world would shift significantly. The whole. All you have to do is look at the Mark du Tru affair in Belgium. That's the most clear cut example of a pedophile ring that was exposed in world history. Mark Dutrue, Nowadays they're still even going with this story that he was essentially like a serial killer and rapist that abducted these young girls and killed them after raping them. But when this story started to unfold, this was in the 90s in Belgium. It became glaringly obvious that he was just abducting these girls and providing them to these other people. And this, that whole thing goes all the way to the King and Queen of Belgium, all the royalty. It involves chateaus where ritualistic abuse was happening. Like the Chateau de Amaroi, which I went to in Belgium. Um, and it's just so wild because when you do videos on this and when you read all this and research these things and interview these people, at least from my end, you think like, this is so real. Like this all happened and these people have testified that they were molested by 18 different people at this location. And then you go back and look at what actually ended up happening in the court system and it's just all, you know, lies. Officially, none of it ever happened. Like Mark Dutroux, he's still in prison in Belgium, officially the only one that was connected to this entire thing. But they had over 20 witnesses die. Like people that were driving to the police station to talk to the authorities about what they knew and what they had seen. And they would die. Like run their car into a wall or somebody who was best friends with the true, who knew this secret. He and his wife were sitting in their house and all of a sudden there's a house fire and both of them are dead. That's insane. And it was all happening in the same time period. Just look it up. The protests, the white marches that happened when people were really infuriated with their government in this cover up. There's over a hundred thousand people in the streets of Belgium protesting a pedophile ring that they could see with their own eyes was being covered up by their government in real time. And still nothing. They refuse to acknowledge it. It is us. It's really disturbing stuff that is nuts.

[B]

I wonder if that scene stuff will.

[A]

Get to that level, I don't know. You know, I don't think we'll ever have any sort of truth about Epstein.

[B]

Yeah, there's not many whistleblowers coming out on that one.

[A]

No. And in these stories, whistleblowers tend to die, so. Yeah, I know that there's a fear amongst so many people that, you know, they value their husband and children or wife and kids.

[B]

You know, I can't even blame them, to be honest.

[A]

No. But it's really scary. Even with the Epstein thing, with the fund that they started for the victims. When you get that money paid out to you, if you're a victim of Epstein and Ghisne Maxwell's, they essentially make you sign an NDA. So you're getting the money, but you can't share your story.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So there have been survivors that refused that money and have gone on to tell their stories. But that's such a disgusting, sleazy way to go about this, to silence these victims with money out in the open, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just crazy. You just go back to the whole concept in question of who were they trafficking these minors to? Officially, nobody so far in the government records.

[B]

You also covered the. The AI whistleblower. Sushir. Hopefully I'm pronouncing that right.

[A]

Yeah. Suchir Balaji. It's just anytime that somebody says that they're going to be exposing something and then they commit suicide, you know, that they didn't commit suicide.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And diving into that story, there's so many things that don't make sense. Whether it's blood stains and patterns of behavior that, you know, such here engaged in before he took his own life. Obviously the comments about what he was going to expose and him talking to the press. And now we're not. We're never going to find out what he had to say. And I released my documentary about him and his death, and his mother actually reached out to me and said that there's so much more that she still hasn't shared that she'd love to do an interview with me and talk about it.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So that's another pattern that you see in these things, is parents just doing everything, anything and everything they can to find justice for their kids, whether they were raped or suicided. And they make these cases where you can clearly see that this person didn't kill themselves or this did happen to them, and yet the authorities just stonewall them and don't listen. So, yeah, even the Boeing whistleblower is really strange.

[B]

That one was weird. There was a few of them, right? Yeah. It was more than one.

[A]

I think it was more than one. And then obviously a company like Boeing has a lot of secrets to keep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But just suicides in general, especially in the world of pedophile rings. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein. Suicides are never suicide.

[B]

John McAfee.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I had his ghostwriter on the show and he. Yeah, he was telling me like there was no way that was a suicide.

[A]

I talking about Alex.

[B]

Alex Foster, right.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I'm friends with him. He's.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he was saying there was just no way. Like he even had it tattooed on him, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How much more could you make it.

[A]

Apparent that, you know, and then when you really sit and think about it, how do you even begin to go up against something like the government to get the truth out or to get them to investigate something more properly? It's just this insurmountable force that you're fighting against, whether it's pedophile rings or even exposing like drug trafficking, human trafficking. If they don't want to do something or talk about or tell the truth about it, they're not going to. There's. There's no reason for them to. They like the world how it is right now. And I mean, even the JFK files, that was what, 50 plus years ago, they're still not telling the truth about it. So for people to sit there and say that Epstein is gonna. There's gonna be some Epstein disclosure. There's no way. Maybe in like 200 years when everybody's long dead, no one will care about that. No. So that's. Yeah, there's. There's a lot of these rings that you can see that even in America existed that have never been documented or chronicled. Epstein actually didn't have the first pedophile island. I don't know if you know this. No, I didn't. But the first pedophile island really was called North Fox island in Michigan. So North Fox island was at the time privately owned island out in Lake Michigan. I've actually been out there. It's a really long journey, like two and a half hour long boat ride to get out to this island. And the guy who owned it named Frank Sheldon, was this eclectic multimillionaire, super rich guy who was a thoroughbred pedophile, like unrepentant. And what he was doing essentially was flying these young boys out to this island. They had created a fake charity called Brother Paul's, telling the parents that they were taking them to this like daycare, you know, fun summer camp type of event, and flying them back. And on the island, they were recording child pornography. There are lots of people who think that other guests were brought out there to molest these kids. And what ended up happening is when this all came to light and people started talking about Frank Sheldon, and a boy finally spoke to the authorities. Somebody tipped Sheldon off. They think that it was Gerald Richards, one of the guys he was running this operation with. But Sheldon fled the country and. Yeah, that's, that's the story that we've been chasing down for my documentary series that we've been working on is what happened to Frank Sheldon. And according to the authorities, he went to Amsterdam and that was it. He never touched another kid. That's the end of the story. But what we've uncovered is that he went to Amsterdam and he became a part of this even larger pedophile network that was much more malicious.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

And he ended up branching out to all these different country. He ended up branching out to all these different countries, like India, Germany. His tentacles went everywhere. And I think that's been kind of like my red pill thing is working on not only this project, but the other one I was telling you about before the show and, and seeing that these events really happened. But when you Google them or look at them on Wikipedia, they call it a hoax. Or, you know, it's just these kids making crazy allegations and telling these fantastical stories. But yeah, the Frank Sheldon thing is absolutely, astoundingly crazy. The amount of victims that he had, no one to this day knows that's nuts.

[B]

I don't trust Wikipedia also.

[A]

No, no. I mean, if you look into the Franklin cover up in Omaha, Nebraska, and you look at the Wikipedia page, they basically state that the entire thing was a carefully crafted hoax. And it's the Franklin Boy prostitution ring allegations. I think that's the name of the Wikipedia page. But you read the Franklin cover up or the Franklin scandal, and you can clearly see that there were dozens of children that have talked about being molested, that were molested. You can see the entire cover up spelled up plainly through legal filings and court documents and police reports. And the Wikipedia page makes no mention of any of that. They just stick with that little quote from somebody saying, you know, it was a hoax. It's like a paragraph when the books about this case are 800 plus pages long. So why don't like Wikipedia? Why don't they actually take any of that information and place it, you know, to the page, talk to people that think that obviously there are intelligence assets and people that make sure that websites like Wikipedia don't talk about certain things and don't include certain stuff, but we'll just never really know, because how do you expose the deep state, or whatever it is, whatever you call this shadowy government thing when you don't know who's running it? You don't know how to look for it. You don't know what the signs are. It's just there.

[B]

Yeah. You don't even know where to start.

[A]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[B]

Dude, calling. It's been fun, man. Where can people watch your films, keep up with you, and support you and everything?

[A]

My YouTube is the Paranormal Files, and if you want to hear me go into really deep detail about conspiracies, the conspiracy files, and my wife and I's podcast is Murder in America.

[B]

Love it. We'll link it all below. Thanks for coming on, man. You should do it one of these days, dude.

[A]

Anytime, man. If you want to see a demon.

[B]

I'm good on that. See you guys.