Digital Hustle Secrets from a Top Creator | Jenna Lee DSH #1313

Summary

Digital Social Hour: Episode #1313 – "Digital Hustle Secrets from a Top Creator" Featuring Jenna Lee

Release Date: April 10, 2025

In this compelling episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly delves deep into the multifaceted world of online content creation with Jenna Lee, a seasoned and successful OnlyFans creator. Throughout their unfiltered conversation, Jenna shares her journey, insights, and the challenges she has navigated in the digital landscape. The episode offers a candid look into the realities of being a top creator, touching on themes such as personal safety, mental health, financial strategies, and the complexities of maintaining authentic relationships in the public eye.

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1. Jenna Lee’s Journey into OnlyFans

[00:21] Jenna introduces her early involvement in content creation, highlighting her transition from the Now-defunct platform Findro (2014) to OnlyFans at its inception in 2016. Unlike many who joined later driven by financial incentives during the COVID-19 pandemic, Jenna was motivated by dissatisfaction with her traditional 9-to-5 job, which she found misogynistic and limiting.

Jenna Lee: "I pretty much graduated from college and got a 9 to 5 and had never been more depressed in my entire life... I'm never going to get a promotion here, so why don't I just go take their money elsewhere?" (00:52)

Her strategic approach to content involved maintaining an air of mystery, allowing her to monetize effectively without overexposing herself, a tactic she believes safeguards her personal brand and autonomy.

2. Building Success and Maintaining Boundaries

From the onset, Jenna's OnlyFans account thrived by leveraging her pre-existing fan base from Findro and gradually introducing more intimate content. Her first significant earnings came from dropping a simple "nude slip," which rapidly escalated her revenue streams.

Jenna Lee: "So when I even like dropped a nude nip slip, the first nip slip I dropped, boom. I made like 20k that day." (02:18)

However, Jenna emphasizes the importance of pacing oneself in content creation to avoid burnout and maintain long-term sustainability. She consciously opts to leave much to the imagination, fostering a sense of exclusivity and boosting her passive income potential.

3. Navigating Personal Safety and Stalking

A critical portion of their discussion revolves around the darker side of fame—stalking and personal safety concerns. Jenna recounts a harrowing experience with a stalker who persisted despite her efforts to sever ties, ultimately leading to the antagonist's suicide.

Jenna Lee: "I had a stalker once. It was the most traumatizing thing that I've ever been through... So, like, you need to take that more seriously." (07:08 - 08:31)

This ordeal has profoundly impacted her approach to online interactions. She advocates for better safety measures within the creator community and underscores the psychological toll that parasocial relationships can have on content creators.

4. Mental Health Struggles and Coping Mechanisms

Jenna openly discusses her ongoing battles with anxiety and agoraphobia, attributing these to both her past experiences and the isolating nature of her career. Unlike her co-host Sean, who overcame his agoraphobia after a situational upheaval, Jenna continues to manage chronic anxiety through natural supplements like L-Theanine.

Jenna Lee: "I don't really care today. I like having fun more... I have PTSD from a car accident which happened in 2016." (03:18 - 15:34)

Her mental health journey is intertwined with her professional life, as content creation from home serves both as a source of income and a coping mechanism, allowing her to stay productive while dealing with her fears.

5. Social Media’s Impact on Mental Health

The conversation delves into the pervasive influence of social media on mental well-being. Jenna reflects on her extensive screen time—averaging seven hours daily—and its effects on her attention span and overall mental state.

Jenna Lee: "I feel like our dopamine and serotonin is like drained... I'm really good at just ditching my phone because like my screen time is like seven hours a day." (16:02 - 16:56)

Both Jenna and Sean express a yearning for disconnection, advocating for reduced screen time to reclaim mental clarity and emotional balance.

6. Relationships, Dating, and Independence

Jenna shares her perspectives on modern relationships, emphasizing a preference for casual interactions over traditional commitments. Her upbringing in a family marked by divorce has shaped her skepticism towards marriage and long-term partnerships.

Jenna Lee: "I just don't want to settle down... So I just don't take relationships seriously." (03:59 - 04:37)

She also discusses the challenges of dating as a successful woman in the digital age, where financial independence can create paradoxical situations in forming meaningful connections.

7. Financial Strategy and Passive Income

A significant theme is Jenna's financial acumen, rooted in her education and commitment to passive income. She dismisses the allure of substantial one-time winnings, such as game show prizes, in favor of sustained, strategic financial planning.

Jenna Lee: "I wouldn't quit working for any amount because it would not allow me to live with purpose anymore." (25:39 - 27:25)

Her approach underscores the importance of having a stable income source that aligns with her personal values and long-term security.

8. Content Boundaries and Fan Interactions

Jenna is candid about setting boundaries regarding fan requests, rejecting those that cross personal lines, such as requests for used personal items.

Jenna Lee: "The weirdest thing anybody has ever requested from me is a used bloody tampon... I turned that one down." (30:34 - 30:52)

She emphasizes the necessity of maintaining personal integrity and safety amidst the demands of an online audience, advocating for respectful and consensual interactions.

9. Views on Fame, Collaborations, and Industry Dynamics

Jenna discusses the fine line between achieving widespread fame and maintaining personal safety. She prefers solo content creation to avoid the pitfalls of overexposure and potential security risks associated with high visibility.

Jenna Lee: "I actively work on not crossing [the line of fame]... There are so many collabs and events and stuff that I turn down because I don't want to be too much in the public eye." (13:06 - 13:37)

Additionally, she critiques industry practices and examines the dynamics between creators and their male consumers, advocating for greater accountability among fans.

10. Personal Lifestyle and Preferences

Jenna reveals aspects of her personal life, including her love for gardening, homesteading, and her disciplined approach to diet and supplements to manage her anxiety.

Jenna Lee: "I love homesteading. I just like baked pies all day." (38:00 - 38:05)

Her lifestyle choices reflect a balance between personal well-being and professional commitments, highlighting the importance of self-care in sustaining a demanding online career.

11. Perspectives on Popular Figures and Social Movements

Towards the end of the episode, Jenna and Sean touch upon controversial figures like Andrew Tate and Elon Musk, debating their philosophies and the societal impacts of their actions. Jenna expresses nuanced views, recognizing the complexities behind public personas and the genuine intentions that may be overshadowed by media portrayals.

Jenna Lee: "I think people don't really talk about safety in this industry as much as they should... I would be fine to sit in the same room with him and have a conversation." (40:14 - 41:40)

Their discussion extends to broader social topics, such as the feminist movement and changing dynamics in modern relationships, offering listeners a blend of personal anecdotes and critical analysis.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jenna Lee: “Any man can get with a woman if he's confident enough.” (42:21)
• Jenna Lee: “I just want to live my life, you know, I usually don't wear underwear or like I'm changing throughout the day.” (31:07)
• Jenna Lee: “If you gave me, like, a hundred million dollars, I still would not be on a yacht in Monticello. I would invest it and live a boring lifestyle.” (27:25)

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Conclusion

Digital Social Hour's episode featuring Jenna Lee offers an intimate and honest exploration of the life of a top OnlyFans creator. Jenna's vulnerability in discussing personal traumas, mental health struggles, and the complexities of her career provides valuable insights for listeners interested in the realities of digital content creation. The conversation underscores the importance of maintaining personal integrity, financial wisdom, and mental well-being in an industry that often blurs the lines between personal life and public persona. Jenna's experience serves as both an inspiration and a cautionary tale for aspiring creators navigating the digital hustle.

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Connect with Jenna Lee:

For those interested in following Jenna Lee's journey or becoming a subscriber, you can find her on Instagram (@jennaleedsh).

Transcript

[A]

No, that's not true.

[B]

You don't think so?

[A]

No, it's personality. So many ugly men get pussy as long as they're confident. I think men lack confidence these days because they don't know how to talk to women anymore because they don't have social interaction because they're sitting in front of a screen for too long. It's all confidence. Any man can get with a woman if he's confident enough.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Okay, guys, in Austin with an of content creator Jenna Lee. Thanks for hopping on today.

[A]

Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.

[B]

Yeah, it's going to be an interesting one. You've been busy lately.

[A]

I've. I'm always busy. Yeah. I'm an OG of girl.

[B]

How long you been in the.

[A]

Well, since the inception. 2016.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the longest I've heard, actually.

[A]

It's the longest that's possible.

[B]

What sold you on it so quick? Because a lot of girls, I felt like joined late.

[A]

Right. Because they were about the money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When Covid hit, they just wanted to make a quick buck. I pretty much graduated from college and got a 9 to 5 and had never been more depressed in my entire life. I worked in an office full of men. Some of the men were even younger than me and they were getting promotions. And we. One of the VPs was making like hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and he was literally 20 years old. And I was like. It was so misogynistic in there. I was like, I'm never going to get a promotion here, so why don't I just go take their money elsewhere? You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's when I thought I could do this. And it just like popped off immediately when I joined.

[B]

Damn. Because I didn't know if they had.

[A]

The user base back then, so I did. Because before OnlyFans, I was actually a different platform that I was on called Findro, a super old platform. And I had built a fan base on there in 2014. So I. For two years I was accumulating fans. So when of dropped, I just shifted them all over.

[B]

Got it. And back then, was the stigma as bad as it is now?

[A]

Worse.

[B]

It was worse.

[A]

Oh, it was worse. Yeah. But back then I treated it. Do you remember Tumblr?

[B]

Yeah. I never used it, but I know.

[A]

It used to be just me, like with my coffee very, like wasn't even showing any nudes. So people thought I was really shy. And I was. I kind of grew up with them. So I wasn't even doing nudes for like two years straight. So when I even like dropped a nude nip slip, the first nip slip I dropped, boom. I made like 20k that day.

[B]

What?

[A]

So I was like, what if I drop both nips out? Would that be 40k? And then it just escalated from there.

[B]

I feel like that's how it progresses.

[A]

Some girls like start out and go full throttle immediately and that's just the wrong play. You're going to be full of regret and you're not going to leave anything to the imagination. So my entire business model was leave as much to the imagination as possible. And I was really able to like harness that and monetize it that way.

[B]

What stage are you at now? Are you doing full on stuff?

[A]

I'm not at full throttle yet. I got that in my back pocket still for a rainy day.

[B]

Okay. Wow. And it's been nine years, so you're really holding out.

[A]

So you know, I don't know. But I never plan on quitting. I feel like people are always like, what's your 10 year plan? Or what are you going to do when you're old? And I'm like, have you heard of a cougar or a milf? Like I'm going to be a MILF doing this. Why would I ever stop producing something that's creating passive income?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. So I got that in my back pocket for a rainy day.

[B]

How difficult has this made your dating life?

[A]

I don't really care today. I like having fun more. I think I am too difficult today and I don't really like taking it seriously and I like using other guys for content. So I love that you like. It's just like more fun for me if I like. I have a lot of like friendships and fuck buddies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I don't really want to settle down. I came from a home. Like a home of like divorce.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. Aunts, uncles, like everyone's divorced. So I just never really valued marriage. Now I can value like a long term life partner, but I don't think I would ever get married for that reason. So I just don't take relationships seriously.

[B]

Wow. So you believe in friends with benefits.

[A]

I believe in friends with benefits. And I also don't want kids. I've never wanted kids. I think it would actually be really toxic to have children in this space, to raise them around nudity at such a young age. Like as an adult. It's normal for me. But you do have to kind of like age yourself into it. So the Fact that I don't want kids also makes it really easy not to like take dating too seriously.

[B]

Yeah, I wonder how Adam 22's and Lena's kids are gonna turn out.

[A]

Well, I hope that they like shield their child from what they do. I'm sure that they do. But there will come a time when their child will grow up and see what they're doing.

[B]

It's unavoidable.

[A]

Right. And that goes for anybody. Right. There's so many women and men in this industry that do have children that are going to kind of have to have that tough interaction when they're older and they do see the content.

[B]

So I just saw this crazy stat the other day. 1.2 million women use OnlyFans. You know that you think that's low? I thought that was high.

[A]

Oh, as in consumers?

[B]

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[A]

Creators.

[B]

Creators. Yeah, I felt like that was high.

[A]

I felt like that's low it like because didn't only fans creators make more.

[B]

Money than the NBA if you average it out. But that's because the top ones are making so much. Yeah, like bad baby or whatever. Allegedly. And you. And who knows Cardi B. I don't know who's the.

[A]

Yeah, bad baby. How much does she make? I saw crazy numbers like 50 something million and she said she unfortunately lately said that she doesn't even have like the will to live anymore because she made so much money. She doesn't do anything.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

She's bought everything, she's done everything, she's gone everywhere and she just doesn't really care to do much anymore.

[B]

That sucks.

[A]

I know. So it's kind of like you want to make a lot of money, but you don't want to make too much to where you like, lose the lust for life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I think it's like a real thought, you know, I still like to have drive in me to make more and progress. But imagine if you made 2, 3, 400 million. Like, what do you do then?

[B]

I think it depends the speed on how you make it and who you are beforehand.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because I've had on Amaranth who has made over 70 million.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And she seems like she's pretty level headed.

[A]

Well, she did just recently post her, like crypto portfolio.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's not very level headed.

[B]

Well, yeah, you saw she got robbed or.

[A]

Yeah, somebody like held her at gunpoint or some. Some shit like that.

[B]

Yeah. So she went on my show the week before and fresh and fit. I don't know which show it was, but someone watched it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She revealed the crypto portfolio.

[A]

Why would.

[B]

I don't think that's a coincidence. Yeah, so I thought.

[A]

I think people don't really talk about safety in this industry as much as they should, like stalkers are. So I live my entire life based around potentially having a stalker, because I have had one before.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

So I had a stalker once. It was the most traumatizing thing that I've ever been through. I had to move three different times. He found me every time.

[B]

How do you find you?

[A]

I was living alone as a female in a city. I don't know. I think he would psychologically trick people that I knew into thinking that he was a friend of mine to get my information down. And I changed my phone number multiple times. He came to my house. He would always slash my tires so I couldn't leave. And then what he did was he served me papers just to get me to court so he could see me again.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Yes. So here I am in court. You have to go claiming that I was stalking him. And obviously they have. They're like, sir, she does not communicate with you. Like, this is not gonna go through. But afterwards he ended up killing himself because I wouldn't be with him.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

So just knowing that, like, that could have been me. Now I live my life like so carefully and I feel like other creators, I mean, as an adult content creator or like a hot girl on the Internet, you're essentially selling the girlfriend experience. Like a lot of these men really think they're in full blown relationships. With you. And I think you need to take that more seriously. Regarding the fact that they think that they can show up at your front door.

[B]

Yeah. They call it parasocial relationship. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because they see so much of you, they think they know you on.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then they show up and act like your friend or your boyfriend or whatever. That's wild. Did you feel kind of guilty when he. No.

[A]

It was like, such as. It was so relieving knowing that. That he had died.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

I had never been more relieved. It was like the first time I could breathe in, like, two years. This went on for years.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

He got registered at my college, got the same schedule as me, and was in every one of my classes to be next to me.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He might have been a hacker or something to know what classes you were in or.

[A]

Right. It. It was weird because it wasn't the first day of class. It was like a weekend, you know, you can kind of like change your schedules. It was terrifying. So when he killed himself, I was really? Really.

[B]

So you didn't get a restraining order or anything?

[A]

I couldn't.

[B]

Why?

[A]

It's so hard for women to get restraining orders on men.

[B]

Really? I thought it was easy because basically.

[A]

Like, I had my brother say, like, you need to leave her alone or I'm gonna kick your ass or whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the judge. That basically shows that I don't fear for my life if I have someone.

[B]

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[A]

That is communicating with him.

[B]

Huh? That's weird.

[A]

Yeah, very. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know If I agree with that call.

[A]

Oh, Restraining orders need to be much easier to obtain it. It's criminal how hard they are for women to get.

[B]

I guess it's state by state. I always assumed they were easy. If no just, like, went to the police, you could get one.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

So do you need evidence or.

[A]

I had literally photos of my tires, slashed, everything. And it was the fact that, like, I remember one time I woke up to 80 missed phone calls.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

And this was years ago. I forget what I said. I just responded like, please leave me alone or something. And then the fact that I communicated with him was the reason I couldn't get a restraining order.

[B]

That's nuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're not doing fan meetups, are you?

[A]

Hell no. Who's doing fan meetup?

[B]

Lily Phillips is, and she's banging them too.

[A]

She's new. She's new. She's too new for some to have gone down yet.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. She's only a year into it.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I don't know how that's going to end, but, yeah, she did a fan meetup at AVN, banged 50 guys. AVN doing anal? Yeah. An anal gang bang.

[A]

I don't know how her keeps up with that, man.

[B]

Well, that was her ass. But, yeah, she does. She does the 100 a day with the pussy and. Yeah, I don't know. That's a lot.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, like, we got a PH balance, you know? Like, is she all right?

[B]

Yeah. Well, if they all get tested, allegedly. And they all wear protection, but yeah. I don't know. Seems crazy. She's going for a thousand in the uk, I think, this week.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, have we done the math on the timing of that? Like, how many each guy got?

[B]

I think she. So for the hunter, she gave five minutes each.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I think she said for a thousand, she has to do two minutes each. So. Yeah.

[A]

Like, when do you, like, drink water and pee and, like, eat?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, somebody's got to do the math on that. Lily, love you. Are you sure?

[B]

Did you collab with her? I saw you on IG with her the other day.

[A]

It was interesting. She said Lily Phillips on her social media says she doesn't like posting anything raunchy because she likes to save it for her of. She likes to leave something for the imagination, which is fine because Instagram is so safe. So her and I did, like, super safe Instagram stuff.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I was like, girl, please move to the United States so we can like, collab. For real. I loved her.

[B]

Well, the border stopped her. Did she tell you that?

[A]

Yeah, She's a little too famous. And it's kind of scary in this industry. Like, you want to get all the views in the world because the more views you make, the more income you obviously get. But you don't want to get too famous because then scary starts happening. So there's like a fine line you don't want to cross. And I actively work on not crossing.

[B]

Also smart.

[A]

There are so many collabs and events and stuff that I turn down because I don't want to be too much in the public eye. And I like doing a lot of solo stuff specifically for my safety.

[B]

Yeah, you do. Good.

[A]

Which prevents me from reaching my full potential financially. But I can sleep at night knowing that, like, nobody's going to show up.

[B]

No, that makes sense though, because you do really well at that because I just found out about you, like, a few weeks ago. But you've been doing this for nine years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's impressive.

[A]

I'm really low key. I like living like a super normal life. I feel like people think of girls are just crazy and they're like always in Miami, like on a guys. Yeah. And it's like I'm in my backyard gardening, actually. Leave me alone world.

[B]

So you like doing your thing solo?

[A]

I do my thing solo. Yeah. I. I struggle with really bad anxiety, which developed into agoraphobia. Do you know how that is?

[B]

Yeah, I had it for two months.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

How long was yours? It's.

[A]

I still have it.

[B]

You still have it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Do you know what I'm on to be here?

[B]

Xanax?

[A]

No, I take a lot of something called L Theanine. I just pound it. I take like a thousand milligrams.

[B]

That's all natural.

[A]

It is. I take a thousand milligrams just to get out of the house.

[B]

Yeah, Symbiotica just sent me some of that.

[A]

Oh, it will. Depends on what brand you take.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's kind of like Matcha. Like, there's ceremonial grade and then there's a shitty kind. So you gotta get, like, the cleanest.

[B]

I didn't know that helped with anxiety because people.

[A]

Oh, it like, just levels you to feel normal. And I highly recommend it because most things for anxiety make you feel tired or sleepy or zone out. I feel like Jenna when I'm on it.

[B]

Yeah, because you probably have PTSD from the stalkers, so that makes sense.

[A]

Well, I actually have PTSD. Well, yeah, but I have PTSD from a car accident which happened in 2016 and I haven't driven a car since, so I don't have a driver's license. I haven't had a driver's license in like years. So if you don't have a driver's license, it prevents you from leaving the house and then when you do leave the house is because someone else is driving you, which means you never leave the house alone. So it's just like a slippery slope and it can get kind of like dark and scary, which has allowed me to crush it on only fans. Cuz all I do is sit at home all day create content. You know what I mean?

[B]

DM 100 people.

[A]

Yeah, I'm on there. But yeah, anxiety really me up. And it still does. But how did you get over your agoraphobia?

[B]

Mine was lawsuit induced, so I was dealing with a lawsuit.

[A]

Okay. It was like situational.

[B]

Situational, yes. But as soon as the lawsuit settled, it kind of like slowly went away.

[A]

Okay. And you didn't have to take anything for it.

[B]

I think I was on like Xanax at the time, but I got off it cuz. Xanax, dude.

[A]

Yeah. No, I don't like anything that doesn't make me feel like myself.

[B]

No, that messed me up. I literally blacked out for a month.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't remember anything. Wow, Xanax really messes you up.

[A]

Yeah. How's your mental health now with doing all this?

[B]

It's better. I still have a little anxiety, but it's situational, it's not chronic.

[A]

You know your triggers.

[B]

Yeah. Before was daily, but now it's like if something happens to me, it might creep up a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Mine used to be chronic to where like I would just wake up trembling.

[B]

Yeah, same trembling. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah, real bad. I thought my whole world was in.

[A]

I feel like our generation is just like super with mental health, I think. Well, yeah, we're on the Internet.

[B]

Oh yeah. They're doing study.

[A]

They don't social media. You know when I feel my best is when I just go outside and I. I'm really good at just ditching my phone because like my screen time is like seven hours a day. Been like one day. I'll just be like one day a week. I'm like, screw it. And I. I don't even care to be on it really feels so much better. That's impressive, I think because I'm just like so dialed with all my. I know I have everything I need to do done That I could just literally throw it away and, like, everything's fine.

[B]

That's solid. Yeah, I'm at about eight, nine hours a day, which is pret crazy. That's like, almost the whole day you're up.

[A]

Yeah, mine's seven. I've never heard of anybody higher than mine.

[B]

Well, I'm working, though, so that's my excuse.

[A]

No, me too. Yeah, I'm not. Well, scrolling is work. I have to let with the trends.

[B]

No scrollings work for us because I'm looking for guests. I'm looking for trending topics.

[A]

Yeah, if you. If you don't scroll on your phone all day, don't you start itching.

[B]

Yeah, no, I literally.

[A]

I'm like, fiend into scroll.

[B]

I'm like, refreshing Twitter. I'm refreshing talk.

[A]

Yeah. Twitter's been down today, and I'm like.

[B]

Oh, it's down today. Damn. Twitter is my favorite right now.

[A]

My Twitter is all just like, people, and I don't know how to get off.

[B]

Oh, I got on my Twitter.

[A]

How do I get that off my algorithm?

[B]

You have to start liking other.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But I have to post my sexy. So it never. It never gets on what I actually want it to be and.

[B]

Yeah, because they let you post whatever on Twitter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't get that side of Twitter at all.

[A]

Why? You're not posting your butt cheeks, so I don't imagine you would be. I mean, what would happen if you did?

[B]

I'd make a lot of money, but it wouldn't be worth it. My, I'm about to get married. She'd be it.

[A]

Is she cool with you? How. What's that dynamic?

[B]

Like, she's super private.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, people don't even know, but yeah. I've been dating her for eight years.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're gonna get married?

[B]

Yeah. This year. Yeah. I never thought I was against it, you know?

[A]

You were against marriage?

[B]

Well, as a guy, like, when you have a lot of money and, like, fame, there's a lot of downsides to getting married.

[A]

Well, as a girl with a lot of money, there's also a lot of. Yeah, it's getting married.

[B]

Yeah. It's not even a sex thing. It's just, like, if you have a lot of assets.

[A]

It's funny how it turns into a guy thing, though.

[B]

Well, people assume. Yeah.

[A]

It's really interesting, like, being a woman that makes millions of dollars.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, when you go to date, it's just kind of like every woman that I know that makes millions of dollars, they. If you're watching your favorite IG girl. Her man is the one filming her. They all are in relationships, and all of these men do nothing but support their women and shoot their content and, like, mooch off of their women. But they work for them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which it is work. It is work, but it's like the women is the, the woman is always the breadwinner, and then their man is kind of, like, following them.

[B]

I don't think I could do that.

[A]

It doesn't get my pussy wet that. But it's like a successful man in my tax bracket doesn't want anything to do with me because of what I do for work. So that's another reason.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Single.

[B]

Catch 22.

[A]

It is a catch 22.

[B]

I heard women that make a ton of money struggle dating. Not even just in your industry, I'm.

[A]

Sure, because we are in our masculine energy, and, you know, biologically, we want to be in our feminine energy. It's interesting. Like, I make millions of dollars, but, like, sometimes I don't want to. I want to be taken care of just because I'm a woman.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't want to have to, like, take care of a man.

[B]

Yeah. You want to be in your feminine energy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you think of Andrew Tate and Elon Musk style of, like, I guess, just having a bunch of kids with multiple women? Because Andrew has over 10. Elon's got 14.

[A]

I, I, the only reason I think that's weird is because, like, I grew up with, like, a weird father figure dynamic. And, you know, it's not healthy to have, like, an absent father there. So the only reason I think it's weird is because there's no way they can be present for all of their children. And I get that Elon, like, wants to repopulate the earth with his genetics, and, like, that's fine because I think he's a good person and I, I stand for what he's doing. Elon. But his child is going to have daddy issues. All of them. One's already trans.

[B]

Yeah. So Tate's philosophy, because I just had him on, he basically said an hour with him is worth more than, like, 40 hours with average man. No, because his knowledge, I guess, you know.

[A]

Yeah. No, but, like, it still takes time to build relationships. Like, that kid's not going to trust him or being with him for, like, two seconds during the day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I spent every other weekend with my father, and we weren't close, so according to Andrew Tate, he should have been like, my God.

[B]

Yeah. My parents got Divorced when I was 10 and I didn't, I only saw my father on like every other weekend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I definitely lacked like that father.

[A]

Figure, but my father was like a full blown alcoholic and died from alcoholism. Oh yeah?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like when I was with him, he like still wasn't even present.

[B]

Yeah. So that doesn't even count.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

My, my girlfriend always gives me for that because like we'll be next to each other on the couch but I'll be working on my phone.

[A]

So she doesn't count.

[B]

It doesn't count. No.

[A]

Have you ever gone to den and put your phone down and like looked her in the eyes? It's like, oh, you know what I used to do when I was in a relationship? If I needed quality time, I would make my man play a card game with me because like you have to be in the moment and it's like a good way to connect with somebody for a short period of time and it feels like quality time.

[B]

Smart.

[A]

But you're not like bored.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. But just movies don't interest me anymore. Tv.

[A]

Oh my God, I can't watch a movie.

[B]

I'm on my phone the whole movie.

[A]

I can't watch a movie.

[B]

I don't know what it is. TikTok Brain they call it. Yeah, it's just like so slow.

[A]

How do we get rid of it? I just posted. I actually miss my pre Internet brain the other day.

[B]

I know. I used to be able to watch Harry Potter straight beginning to end and be excited. Now it's like I watched this 10 years ago.

[A]

I don't get excited anymore. Do you?

[B]

Not as much as I used to.

[A]

I don't get excited at all.

[B]

I wonder if that's anything, a desensitization thing because of social media.

[A]

Well, I think like our dopamine and serotonin is like drained. Yeah, it's like fried.

[B]

I'm actually looking into a dopamine detox. Have you heard of those?

[A]

Yeah, no, I, I need, I'm more of like a supplement person. I need to like take supplements for dopamine.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Which I heard saffron is a good supplement to do that, but I don't feel it's potent enough. It's just like a, like I need something sympathetic.

[B]

You need some psychedelics. Have you done those?

[A]

I haven't. Just because my anxiety is so bad. I know for a, a fact my brain will be like, you're getting eaten by Nana Cond. Or like some like, I, I, I would go into it as it being a bad trip. So I just can't let myself do it. And my brain doesn't do good on pot or weed or anything.

[B]

Same. Especially edibles.

[A]

Oh, the worst.

[B]

I get messed up.

[A]

I get so messed up I can't see anyone.

[B]

I gotta go in a corner and just sleep.

[A]

I fainted once.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

From taking inedible. So you want me to do psychedelics? Absolutely not. Yeah, but have you ever like microdose mushrooms?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They make you like a little. You know what? That makes me a little happy.

[B]

Yeah, I like microdosing because you're not tripping balls. Yeah, you're kind of just like productive. Yeah, I don't even notice it sometimes. I forget I do it. Honestly.

[A]

Yeah, no, I got a little. It made me a little too giggly. Once I like had to go to a dinner with my mom. Yeah, she was on it too, so it was.

[B]

Wow, that was fun. Interesting relationship.

[A]

Yeah, that's an interesting one with your mother. She's very Christian, very straight laced. So when I first started only fans, I wasn't doing nudes, remember? So she was like, that's fine, honey. But now like she's retired, she's like, sorry, mom, she's like smoking pot, whatever.

[B]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you did the nude stuff, did that mess up the relationship?

[A]

You know, like, I don't update my family on my content. It's not like I'm calling my mom up and I'm like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna do an orgy today. I just gonna let you know. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I don really update people on what I'm doing. Oh, so she doesn't know you have to subscribe? Well, I guess she does now, but I think my family sees how successful I am, so they wouldn't dare say to me. And if they ever did say to me, it doesn't matter. I don't really take what they say seriously just because of my childhood. So like, they can't really tell me how to live my life or like give me their opinion. They wouldn't dare give me their opinions. I'm kind of stone cold to them.

[B]

Damn. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I don't really around with people telling me what to do.

[B]

Yeah. Especially the trauma they put you through. I guess you put some blame on them, right?

[A]

Yeah. You know, as a matter of fact, mom, you sit down, meet, tell you what to do. Today she probably when she comes to my house, I'm like, take your shoes off.

[B]

Well, it's cyclical. Right. So she probably went through her own trauma. She pulls her shoes off.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Would you quit, Olaf, if someone gave you $10 million?

[A]

No.

[B]

Really?

[A]

You know, I went to college and I took a finance course and they teach you like, the greatest source of income is passive income. So I think I'm doing what I was taught, that society doesn't think only fans are girls being productive in society. But this is what I was taught to do in school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, also with the amount of money I make and. And have to give back in taxes, like what we give back to the communities even, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, 10 mil, that's not gonna last me. It's not gonna last me until my. After retirement.

[B]

Yeah. Depending on your lifestyle. Right?

[A]

Depending. Yeah. So I would continue World of Beast.

[B]

Games winner just got 10 mil. I just saw a video of him.

[A]

Did they get paid out, though?

[B]

Yeah, he did. But the problem is he lives in Cali, so He's only getting 5 mil after taxes.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I won a game show once.

[B]

Oh, you did?

[A]

I won $12,000. It was so adorable. It was like the cutest game show ever. And I only went home with $7,000 because of taxes.

[B]

Wow. So he took it out. Right.

[A]

I mean, with taxes you usually get write offs. Right. With, with specifically with like game show earnings, there' chance to write anything off. So they take the full amount that they can from you.

[B]

Yeah. So I think he got wrecked because he's in Cali. So the State tax is 15.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, Austin is zero, right. For state tax.

[A]

Oh, zero. Yeah. But they fuck you with property taxes.

[B]

Oh, really do.

[A]

Property tax is so crazy. It just makes up for it.

[B]

How much is it here?

[A]

My house is. Oh, I don't know. The percentage of property tax.

[B]

Yeah. Vegas is decent.

[A]

It's the highest in the country.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

Yeah. To editor, put it on the screen.

[B]

Which is wild because Texas has hella land.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that, that's an interesting reason, I guess because there's no state tax. They just.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow. Is there an amount you quit for, though?

[A]

I don't think I would quit working for any amount because it would not allow me to like live with purpose anymore. I fear I would be the type of person that would say, been there, done that. And I would kind of like. I am kind of like a depressive person. So if I don't have like something I have to do every day, then I just wouldn't do it. And I would like rot away in my bed.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I'm not a Very good rich person. Because I don't, like, go out and do rich things. I just save it all and invest it all.

[B]

You don't blow it on anything.

[A]

I don't blow it. So if you gave me, like, a hundred million dollars, like, I. I still, like, would not be on a yacht in Monticello. I would, like, invest it and live a boring lifestyle. So I think I need to wake up and work on something every day. So I don't think anything would get me to quit, to be honest with you. But I would still take the hundred mil.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to turn down 100 mil.

[A]

I wouldn't turn it down.

[B]

So you're not materialistic at all, huh?

[A]

No. Yeah. It's. I just really grew up in the woods.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So. And I think, like, I did date a rich guy once.

[B]

Yeah? How was that?

[A]

It didn't fulfill me.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

We. We lacked the banter, you know? Like, going and buying me a new purse isn't as fun as staying up all night laughing, you know? So lacking the banter was just a deal breaker for me. I don't care what you can buy me, and I can buy it myself now anyway. And I just don't. I think I worry about the future a lot too. I don't really like spending all my money.

[B]

That's the anxiety in you.

[A]

Yeah. Like a doomsday. I'm gonna, like, lose all my money or. I don't know.

[B]

Have you bought a bunker yet?

[A]

No, but I should.

[B]

Yeah. All the rich people are stocking up on those.

[A]

Yeah. What's going on? It's getting scary.

[B]

It's weird that they all did it at the same time. For sure. Yeah. But physical gifts is not your love language. Sounds like. Have you taken that test?

[A]

It's not my love language, but buying gifts for myself as a woman, it makes me feel like I'm in my masculine energy and I don't like it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I've bought myself nice handbags before, and I'm just like, this isn't very fun. I don't just sit in my closet. But if a man were to gift me something that's nice for a minute, but it's not as memorable as an experience. Take me on a trip which costs money, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, I mean, to have, like, a good experience in life, you do need a bit of money.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I pick trips over most physical items.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Trips are so memorable.

[B]

Yeah. I love traveling.

[A]

Where do you like to go?

[B]

Greece has been my favorites. Thailand is cool.

[A]

I hear Thailand is just like Tulum, so why would I travel that far?

[B]

Oh, is it? Yeah, Tulum's expensive.

[A]

Every time I go to Tulum, I always meet like a couple there or a group of people there that have been to Thailand or Bali and they're like, oh, it's the same. And I'm like, thank you for telling me that. You just saved me 24 hour travel day.

[B]

I do like Mexico.

[A]

Took me two hours to get here. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good part about Mexico. And the food is.

[A]

Oh my God, it's good.

[B]

Yeah, the food is good.

[A]

Dude, it's so good. What would you quit for any amount of money?

[B]

Podcasting? Yeah, it'd be tough cuz I'm really fulfilled right now like you said.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I really like doing podcasts, so I don't know cuz what would I do with 10 mil? I already got a couple mil. I mean, 10 mil is not going to really change my life, to be honest.

[A]

But what if it, what if there was an amount that would change your life?

[B]

Yeah. If we're talking nine figures, like 100 plus.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's hard to turn that down.

[A]

I mean, I mean, you wouldn't turn it down, but would you quit your job?

[B]

Like I could never podcast again, right? Oh, that's tough. I don't know.

[A]

Because you would have no purpose.

[B]

I know I lean towards.

[A]

No, it is so important to feel fulfilled. And having a hundred mil in your bank account is not going to do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I have to be working on something every day.

[B]

I genuinely love doing this same. Yeah, any other business I had before this was just for money and it wasn't fulfilling. But this is different.

[A]

Like, yeah, I love taking nudes. If I'm depressed, I pull my titties out and my day is made. You know what I mean? Can't get me to stop.

[B]

What's the weirdest message or fan request you've gotten?

[A]

I get a lot. I do draw the line on some things though. The weirdest thing anybody has ever requested from me is a used bloody tampon upon. And at that point I was like, you know what, that's my DNA. I thought that's a little too close for comfort. What are you gonna do with my dn. My blood? Yeah, so I turned that one down.

[B]

What about used underwear?

[A]

Oh, that's easy. That's really common.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah. That is actually really annoying to shoot or it's. Used underwear is really annoying because what people don't realize is you have to Wear them for like 24 hours.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's just like, you have to like focus on like wearing this pair of underwear until it's to a point to where the user really wants it. And it's just like, I don't want to have to like think about that. I want to live my life, you know, I usually don't wear underwear or like I'm changing throughout the day. I'll go to the gym in the morning, then I'll go tan in the middle of the day, that I'll put pajamas at night. Like you're not wearing the same pair of underwear for 48 hours.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, so I hate selling those.

[B]

How much do people pay for those?

[A]

Hundreds, three, four hundred dollars, thousand dollars, it depends.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

But then you, but then you have to go to the post office and it's like, that's a chore for me. Yeah. You ain't getting me out of the house for that amount of money. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. Have you been offered to go to Dubai yet?

[A]

Oh, yeah, of course. I was offered a million dollars to fuck some guy one time.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah. So this guy was in private equity and I met him in real life and he fell in love, obviously, and he wanted to have sex with me. And I just am not like that, you know, which is interesting because a lot of people probably think onlyfans girls are. But you don't realize that I'm at home by myself working. I'm not touching other people for the most part. So in real life I'm really normal. So he offered me like a few thousand dollars and I was like, absolutely not. And I think once he realized that I was kind of expensive, he upped the number.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he upped it to $70,000. And he said, I'm gonna have my lawyer write it up. And he wrote it up and he sent it to me. And I thought, no, I'm still not having sex with you. I don't know you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think once he real realized that like I was really expensive, he got up to a million dollars. I probably have this document in my email still. And then I said no, because I thought, who in their right mind would pay a million dollars to have sex with someone? There's no way he's not going to dismember my body.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like weird, right? If somebody offered you a million dollars to like have sex with you, wouldn't you think they would murder you afterwards?

[B]

Yeah, I'd be weirded out.

[A]

I was just too weirded.

[B]

Out. That's too much. Because he could probably have sex with so many other people.

[A]

And then I thought, there's no way I'm gonna get that money clean. Like afterwards I felt like I would owe him something still and he would like stick around and then turn into a stalker. And so I said no.

[B]

Damn. That was in Dubai.

[A]

Oh, no, this was in real life, in Atlanta.

[B]

Oh, wow. Atlanta. Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's surprising. No, but the Dubai stuff is nuts because I've heard people like girls are getting on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

No, you're not on me.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder how else they're getting for that.

[A]

Not enough.

[B]

I've heard there's like some secretive escort ops for these high end.

[A]

There is. They like message you on WhatsApp. And I think these girls are getting like 10 GS to get on.

[B]

It's not worth it.

[A]

No, but some girls, just because you're an only fans doesn't mean you're successful. Like, almost nobody on Only fans is successful unless you have a massive following. So some of these girls need $10,000 and that's an easy way to make it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How many minutes does it take to get on, I don't know, one night of your life? If you're poor, what would you do for $10,000?

[B]

I wouldn't get on for 10.

[A]

I wouldn't either, but I can see the appeal. That's quick money.

[B]

Yeah, I guess it depends on how much it is, but. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Is it solid? Is it diarrhea?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Okay, look, if it's solid, you know, I can see that. Diarrhea. Absolutely not.

[B]

What about piss? You draw the line of piss that's less disgusting.

[A]

Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but I see golden shower. I feel like piss is like a big. A big one on Only fans too.

[B]

It's a turn on for.

[A]

It's a. Yeah. Which I guess because it reminds guys of squirting or something.

[B]

I don't know what it is, you know? Yeah. Lily said she got some in her mouth and then the guy didn't drink water for two days. She said it tasted bad.

[A]

I've never tasted piss before, thank God. But one of the most common fetishes is feet for men.

[B]

Yeah. There's a site for that.

[A]

And they say because when a baby fetus is developing in the womb, they're curled up, up like this and their feet are closest to their genitals. So there's like a wire that crosses in your brain that. That connects feet with genitals. Because of the way you're developing in the limb. So that's why foot fetishes are so common.

[B]

Good old foot job.

[A]

I love a foot fetish.

[B]

Yeah?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you like guys feet?

[A]

No, I like guys who like feet. I like having my feet worshiped.

[B]

What's your ranking on that site? The foot ranking site.

[A]

Oh, I'm not on that site. That's a scam. You don't make money.

[B]

Oh really?

[A]

You don't make money on that site.

[B]

Oh, the foot find or whatever?

[A]

No, they're rev shares too. You don't make nothing.

[B]

Wow. I didn't know that because I used to see them everywhere, but I haven't seen them in a little bit.

[A]

No, but in real life, I like for a man to like my feet. Like you're getting a foot massage for an hour a night. Like what? Why would you say no to that?

[B]

People do that.

[A]

Yeah. Oh yeah. An hour.

[B]

I can barely massage my girl's back for like 10 minutes.

[A]

I remember I. I was in college once and I was taking a nap at my friend's house and her neighbor had a foot fetish and he came over while I was in bed taking a nap and I woke up to him rubbing my feet seat. And you like when I tell you I pretended to still be asleep so he would keep going because it. I love getting my feet rubbed.

[B]

Wow. You didn't think it was weird?

[A]

Yes, but it was nice.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That was like my intro to feet fetishes.

[B]

And did he get laid after that?

[A]

No, he was weird.

[B]

Plus you're picky.

[A]

It sounds like very.

[B]

Yeah, sounds like you're ripping.

[A]

This guy that. That had a foot fetish that was rubbing my feet in college. He ended up on an episode of Catfish on mtv. No, that's how weird he is.

[B]

Is he got catfish. Wow.

[A]

No, he was the catfish.

[B]

No way.

[A]

He was catfishing.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that shows. OG.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Imagine ending up on there. That's embarrassing.

[A]

That's why we have bad attention spans. They put. They don't put shows out like that anymore.

[B]

Yeah, someone should reinvent something like that for lf or something.

[A]

You know what like my guilty pleasure is is watching like My 600 Pound Life or watching like what I eat in a day is by those like like thousand pounders mukbangs I watched the out of. Oh, I love that. That keeps my attention.

[B]

So you got a food fetish. I guess you like food in bed too.

[A]

No, no, that's. I don't like getting messy. I like watching Other people eat.

[B]

Okay. Do you eat a lot?

[A]

I've talked about this before.

[B]

Yeah?

[A]

Yeah. Like, I like if a guy can eat because it makes him seem more manly, in my opinion. Like, if a guy's ordering a salad, I just feel like you're a little about to turn off, you know, like order a steak and eat it like a man with your bare hands and I' I like that. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's okay.

[A]

Can you see that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I've said this before and everyone agreed with me.

[B]

No, I agree. If you're ordering a salad as a man, that's a turn off. Sure. Like, why are you eating a salad? Yeah, no, eat a whole steak raw.

[A]

Yeah, I like Amanda, like, tears food up because it just kind of makes me feel like he'd tear me up.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it must be like the barbarian brain in you.

[A]

Yes, I think I have a barbarian brain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like I'm supposed to just be foraging at home and tinkering around while my man is out there just like, gathering.

[B]

You said you were a gardener Hunting.

[A]

Yeah. I love homesteading. I just like baked pies all day.

[B]

Wow. What's your best pie?

[A]

Whatever you want.

[B]

Pecan.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's a southern. That's a southern one.

[B]

Yeah. Pecan pie. Slaps.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Apple pie. Solid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What other. Oh, pumpkin pie.

[A]

No, that's.

[B]

You don't like pumpkin pieces?

[A]

That's like. No, that's garbage. Nobody likes pumpkin pie.

[B]

I do. You've never had a good pumpkin pie?

[A]

No, not for me.

[B]

What's your go to then?

[A]

I'd say blueberry probably.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, I love eating, but I'm.

[A]

I'm more of like a meat eater. I try to do carnivore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Makes me feel the best.

[B]

Same.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's hard to beat the carnivore.

[A]

Yeah, you have. We have to, like, cancel vegans out, you know.

[B]

Not a fan of vegans.

[A]

No. I went vegan for two years. I've never been more up in my eye. I. It actually messed my. My hormones up so bad that I lost my period for an entire year.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Could you ever date a vegan?

[A]

No. They're in their feminine energy. I'm not dating a. Like that.

[B]

Yeah. You said you didn't want kids earlier, right?

[A]

No.

[B]

You think that'll ever change?

[A]

No, I don't think I can have kids. Like, I have bad hormonal issues, thank God, because I feel like it's my own birth control. Like my body's like, no you're not having kids, so my body's just not letting me do it anyways. But children, I would be a bad mom. I don't have, like, a nurturing motherly instinct. Like, I'm a fun person. I'm like a fun aunt. And, like, I have a good time with kids, but I obviously need, like, my own freedom, and so I. I wouldn't be a good mom.

[B]

You're seeing more and more women not wanting kids in America.

[A]

Yeah. I think it's because, like, women have found their independence, and we all work now so we. We can make decisions for ourself. We're not like a slave to like, like a husband staying home all day. Like the 50s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we just don't want them.

[B]

What'd you think of the feminist movement?

[A]

I think it's kinda. I don't. I don't. I don't have tons of opinions on it. I just do kind of like the way the lifestyle was back in the 50s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, when the man does take care.

[B]

Of the woman, it's your traditional.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's like, getting canceled saying that these days, which is.

[A]

Yeah, why can't you be normal anymore? It's really weird.

[B]

Weird. It's nuts. I mean, Tate really got slammed.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, low key. I don't think Andrew Tate is like, that bad of a guy. Like, everything he says, in my opinion, seems kind of agreeable.

[B]

That's like a woman saying that. That's impressive. A lot of women hate him.

[A]

The feminists hate him. And then the people that aren't feminists that don't hate him can't say anything because we'll get canceled for saying that.

[B]

Right? For defending him.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, it's okay as a woman to be attracted to someone in their masculine energy. Like, that's biological.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He was one of the nicest guys I've ever met. It's. It's crazy how they portray him online.

[A]

Is it, like a tactic of his?

[B]

Yeah, no. He definitely eggs it on, for sure.

[A]

I was about to say, I think the fact that he exit on doesn't do him any favors. But I think in general, like, I would be fine to, like, sit in the same room with him and have a conversation and we wouldn't get into a fight. I'd probably agree with Muslim. The. The things that he says.

[B]

He was actually defending Lily Phillips on the podcast.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

He said, throughout all of history, there's been prostitutes, and at least she owns it. She doesn't lie about it.

[A]

But also like the men are the one hiring the prostitutes. The men are the one subscribing to only fans. The men are the consumers. If you guys didn't consume, we wouldn't exist.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So look in the mirror.

[B]

You got to put some of the blame on the men too.

[A]

Yeah, all the blame. If you guys didn't exist, we wouldn't be doing what we're doing.

[B]

A lot of simps these days. I looked up what percentage the men under 25 are virgins.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

33.

[A]

How do we know if that's accurate or not?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know because it's self admittance. So people could be lying. But yeah, I looked at multiple sites and it was anywhere from like 20 to 35.

[A]

So yeah, I don't know.

[B]

Back when I grew up, no one was right.

[A]

Yeah. Because we, we were like not on the Internet all day. We were like banging behind the football field, you know.

[B]

Well, I think women, I hear this a lot, they go after like the top 20 guys now because of social media. So the guys that aren't good looking or whatever, they're just not getting action.

[A]

No, that's not true.

[B]

You don't think so?

[A]

No, it's personality so many ugly men get as long as they're confident. I think men lack confidence these days because they don't know how to talk to women anymore because they don't have social interaction because they're sitting in front of a screen for too long. It's all confidence any man can get with a woman if he's confident enough.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh yeah. Has nothing do. I only hook up with ugly men.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I think attractive men are kind of douches and I don't like that. And I don't like a man always getting what he wants, you know, And I. And a man, if they're too attractive and like too groomed, I like my man to be a little more like rough around the edges. So I kind of go for the uglier guy. Especially if they're, if they are confident.

[B]

You hear that about women too. To prefer.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. The, the super attractive woman get everything they want.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they're just like super hard to please.

[A]

Oh, women are different. Women are beautiful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But I think even like the short guys, short kings, they have to make up for their height with their personality. And like nine times out of 10, like a short guy is the most confident guy you'll meet in the room. And they're getting all the.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh yeah. I up with so Many short kings. I love a short king.

[B]

Damn. That's the first girl I've heard say that.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe I'm just an anomaly.

[B]

Yeah, I think you are, short king. Because like I thought women were attracted to someone taller than them.

[A]

They are. However personality comes into play. Imagine there's like a 6 foot 4 guy and he's bashful, can't make eye contact, can't hold conversation, he's not getting any pussy. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That's interesting. So you could date a guy shorter than you.

[A]

I have.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, he was like a pit bull and like a little chihuahua body.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah, I liked it a lot.

[B]

That's nuts. What about, what about a guy that weighed less than you?

[A]

He weighed less than me.

[B]

He did?

[A]

Yeah. He was short.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I feel like I wore bigger sized clothes than him.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

But he had like an attitude on him and it was nice.

[B]

Well, they call that Napoleon complex.

[A]

He had it.

[B]

Yeah. Which is.

[A]

Am I toxic?

[B]

Yeah, you are.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. But at least you know it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You said earlier, you know you're hard to deal with. Yeah, yeah. But at least you know that.

[A]

But I'm a good time though.

[B]

Well, some people aren't even aware of that though. And that's prob.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cuz then they're just like what? I don't know.

[A]

I can really adapt to whoever I'm talking to too. Like if somebody can't really take what I'm saying, like I'll chill out on them a little bit. And I'm also not vocally opinionated. So in real life, like I'm not like starting problems with people. I just. If we don't vibe, that's it. So I'm on good terms with everybody. Like, like I have a good presence but I definitely am not the norm when it comes to like views on things.

[B]

That makes sense. How do you deal with the hate online? Do you just block them?

[A]

I don't get hate online.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Look at my. I don't get any hate.

[B]

That's the first time I've heard that from an of girl.

[A]

I. I don't know how my comments are not. I don't need to delete any comments.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I think because like online I'm so wholesome because I kind of am in real life life and like I always put out really positive content and I've always been really vocal about like my anxiety, my agoraphobia, like relatable stuff that I think people know not to with me because like I'm genuinely a nice person.

[B]

You know, you're so open that they're like, holy.

[A]

Like, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

And I. I don't know if you could tell from my social media, but, like, I'm not really one to pick on. Like, I'm not materialistic. I'm not posting, like, Hermes bags and, like, really annoying. I'm just being myself. And it's kind of hard to hate on somebody that does that.

[B]

Do you post thirst traps?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Like, the most people hate on me is like, my titties are saggy. And it's like, next. Be more creative. Like, if I wanted to fix that, I would. I obviously don't care.

[B]

You don't want to get any cosmetic procedures?

[A]

No.

[B]

Really?

[A]

My anxiety. I can't go. I can barely get Botox without fainting.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I can't get anything done. I'm terrified.

[B]

Does Botox hurt?

[A]

Not really. I think it's just the fact that I'm seeing, like, a needle come towards my face. It, like, raises my blood pressure and I've fainted before, especially from needles.

[B]

Crap.

[A]

So, like, you expect me to go get a tit job? I can't. I can't do that.

[B]

That sounds painful. Yeah, I'm not a fan of most cosmetic procedures.

[A]

Yeah. And plus, have you heard of breast implant illness?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It affects people with the mtfr. Mutatic. What is it?

[B]

Oh, does it? Yeah, I have that gene. Break.

[A]

I have it too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Should I resay that?

[B]

Because mthfr.

[A]

Right, mthfr. So with breast implant illness, they most likely have the MT. Fhr. What is it?

[B]

M. Isn't it mthfr, Motherfucker. Gene. Okay, that's what I thought.

[A]

Whatever. Correct me on that. That would look great.

[B]

Like, shout out to Gary Brea.

[A]

She's a idiot. He's who got. He's who I tested with.

[B]

Same.

[A]

So if I were to get my titties done having that gene mutation, I'm at a really high risk of having breast implant illness.

[B]

I didn't know that.

[A]

So I was like, why would I get it just to get them removed?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of pressure to do those procedures. As an of girl. I bet.

[A]

I think if you lack confidence.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I'm just, like, too confident to even care. Like, I. I'm aware my titties are saggy. I don't care. Trust me. I'm aware. I don't have juicy lips. Like, I don't care. Trust me. I don't know.

[B]

I'm not a fan of juicy lips.

[A]

I think they look amazing on some.

[B]

Girls I would argue otherwise, but.

[A]

Oh, on, on some girls they don't, but on some girls they do. Yeah, it would look great on me. I just can't do it.

[B]

I just like natural beauty, personally, Like.

[A]

I don't even like the 90s beauty. Like 90s Cameron Diaz. 90s Jennifer, please. Everybody used to look different.

[B]

I don't, I literally don't even like makeup.

[A]

Everybody looks the same these days because, like procedures make you all look identical.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I miss when people used to look themselves.

[B]

For sure, 100%. Jenna, where can people find you and potentially become a customer of yours?

[A]

Please just go to my Instagram, Jenna Lee.

[B]

Perfect. We'll link below. Thanks for coming on.

[A]

Thank you for having me. Good job.

[B]

Check her out, guys. See you next time.

[A]

See ya.