Dr. Anthony vs. Jon Otto Debate: Live Debate on Urine Therapy, Placebo & Proof | DSH #1602

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Episode: Dr. Anthony vs. Jon Otto Debate: Live Debate on Urine Therapy, Placebo & Proof | DSH #1602
Date: November 1, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly

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Overview

This episode features a passionate, often humorous, and sometimes intense live debate between Dr. Anthony G. Beck (integrative and functional medicine physician) and Jonathan Otto (investigative journalist and health documentary filmmaker). The two discuss the controversial topic of urine therapy—its history, supposed health benefits, scientific underpinnings, and inherent risks. Dr. Beck provides a critical, data-driven stance, while Otto champions anecdotal evidence and historical precedent. Host Sean Kelly manages the debate with probing questions, comic relief, and a genuine curiosity for the facts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introductions & Philosophies (00:29 – 05:44)

• Dr. Anthony G. Beck introduces his Balance Protocol, emphasizing personalized health (“category of one”) and decisions rooted in quantification and clinical data.
• Jonathan Otto shares his background as an investigative journalist and filmmaker (notably on documentaries like The Truth About Cancer), motivated by a humanitarian desire to alleviate human suffering through alternative health information.
• Both strive for health but approach it differently: Dr. Beck prioritizes clinical validation, while Otto values natural health traditions and testimonials.

Tone: Warm, mutual respect, banter about personal histories and shared motivations.

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2. Setting the Stage: Urine Therapy Defined (05:44 – 12:19)

• Sean frames the debate: the main topic is urine therapy.
• Dr. Beck facetiously calls it the “golden delusion,” while Otto does not mind being called “the kook,” as his pro-urine therapy stance is unconventional.
• Both agree on the importance of “do no harm,” debating the existence and nature of harm or benefit in urine therapy.

Notable Quote:

“I can tell you, I’ll honestly consider everything that you’re saying and question everything I believe, because if I’m wrong, I don’t want to mislead people.” – Jonathan Otto (03:29)

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3. Anecdote vs. Evidence: Where Do We Draw the Line? (12:19 – 19:18)

• Dr. Beck insists that without proper baseline assessments (“qualify, quantify, measure, and monitor”—the Q²M² principle), any claimed effects of urine therapy are susceptible to placebo or nocebo influences.
  • He’s tried urine therapy himself in the name of full skepticism.
• Otto pushes back, claiming that despite “cultural programming” against urine, many people still report benefits that surpass negative expectations.

Notable Anecdote:
Dr. Beck recounts how powerful the placebo effect can be:

“Particularly around something like drinking your own urine, it takes a tremendous amount of mental to take the first thing… Of course, I’ve drank my pee before.” (09:27)

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4. Historical and Cultural Precedent: Does Ancient Practice Imply Validity? (15:59 – 19:18)

• Otto cites cross-cultural, historical uses of urine therapy (Egyptian, Ayurvedic, Tibetan, and more) and medical uses of urine-derived compounds (e.g., Premarin from horse urine, Pergonal from postmenopausal urine).
• Dr. Beck counters: just because something was traditional doesn't make it universally safe or effective. Context and scientific validation are required.

Quote:

“Just because something is in a journal doesn’t mean it’s valid. It’s just like if something has a patent… That doesn’t prove that it works.” – Dr. Beck (13:58)

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5. Individualized Context: The Heart of Disagreement (19:18 – 31:36)

• Dr. Beck’s key point: human biology is context-dependent. What one culture or person experiences may not translate universally (differences in diet, environmental toxins, genetics, etc.).

• He challenges the “one size fits all” mentality of urine therapy’s proponents.

• Case Example:

  • Otto tells the story of a 14-year-old stung by a scorpion in Kenya who, in the absence of medicine, drank her urine and recovered.
  • Dr. Beck acknowledges the potential for benefit in desperate, context-specific scenarios but questions if urine was the true active factor, citing confounders like nicotine and other remedies applied simultaneously.

Debate Highlight:

“But what would you do if you were stung by a jellyfish?”
—A classic pop culture prompt, but each agrees it’s likely ineffective.
(19:18–20:00)

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6. Mechanisms, Placebo, and Scientific Scrutiny (31:36 – 40:01)

• Otto presents “before and after” success stories, such as skin conditions purportedly healed by topical or injected urine.
• Dr. Beck stresses the risk of flawed attribution, where improvement could stem from other therapies or natural healing.
• Both discuss the pharmacological precedent (e.g., stem cells, peptides, urea) but disagree about the safety and control present in isolated therapies versus the “soup” of whole urine.

Quote:

“If people are thinking that it’s benign or just that it is not potentially harmful, I think that would be a reckless thing for them to do.” – Dr. Beck (88:00)

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7. The Fetal Comparison: Is Amniotic Urine Evidence for Adult Safety? (53:32 – 70:29)

• Otto’s argument: in utero, fetuses ingest their own urine by the liter—a “natural” precedent.
• Dr. Beck responds: Fetal urine is not equivalent to adult urine. The context (completely different diet, internal environment, absence of external toxins/supplements, ongoing maternal support and filtration) matters greatly.
• The two spar on details of fetal physiology, toxin filtering, and the (in)validity of translating fetal processes to safe adult practice.

Memorable Moment:

“Are you really gonna hang your hat on the justification for drinking adult urine based upon a baby drinking its urine, Jonathan?”
“Yes, absolutely.”
– Dr. Beck & Jonathan Otto (67:48–67:55)

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8. The Science of Urine Components (70:29 – 89:49)

• Agreement: Urine contains elements of therapeutic potential (e.g., stem cells, hormones, enzymes), and medical science does extract and utilize these (after isolation and refinement).
• Dr. Beck: Potential benefits require purification; raw urine includes waste and unwanted/unknown byproducts.
• Otto: Points to studies at Wake Forest isolating large quantities of stem cells from urine, suggesting democratized access to regenerative therapies could follow.

Host Fact-Check:
Sean searches ChatGPT for “Can you get stem cells by swallowing urine?”—answer: no, stomach acid destroys cells. Otto questions the evidence (99:03).

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9. Risks and "Horror Stories" (84:27 – 90:57)

• Dr. Beck shares cases where urine therapy apparently exacerbated problems (increased eye parasites after eye drops; worsened mitochondrial markers in patients who drank electrocuted water and urine in combination).
• He reaffirms: without measurement, “trying things” can be reckless.

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10. Placebo, Narrative, and Marketing (103:03 – end)

• Dr. Beck cautions that emotional storytelling and dramatic visual “transformations” can be powerfully persuasive, but are not a substitute for stringent, documented science.
• Otto: “That doesn’t discredit it.” He embraces anecdotal and case study evidence, but Dr. Beck insists on independent verification.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“Everybody is a category of one… you need to have data prior, during, and after.”
—Dr. Beck (07:32)

“Desperation is a mother of invention… sometimes people will do things and a eureka moment happens.”
—Dr. Beck (94:03)

“The body is complicated, and there’s so much I don’t know about it.”
—Dr. Beck (90:31)

“If I’m wrong, I don’t want to mislead people.”
—Jonathan Otto (03:29)

“First time I drank my urine, I thought I felt like I was jumping off a cliff.”
—Jonathan Otto (96:21)

[Holding up a sample of his own urine] "Here’s my urine… you could drink it for sure… To me, it’s not gross. That’s why I’m being so theatrical about it."
—Dr. Beck (83:10–83:22)

“Are you really gonna hang your hat on the justification for drinking adult urine based upon a baby drinking its urine?”
“Yes, absolutely.”
—Dr. Beck & Jonathan Otto (67:48–67:55)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment/Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------|-----------------| | Intros and Philosophies | 00:29–05:44 | | Urine Therapy Defined | 05:44–12:19 | | Placebo/Nocebo and Baseline Issues | 09:27–12:19 | | Historical vs. Scientific Evidence | 15:59–19:18 | | Context, Individualization, and Case Studies | 19:18–31:36 | | Scientific Mechanisms and Placebo | 31:36–40:01 | | The Fetal Urine Argument | 53:32–70:29 | | Risks, Personal “Disasters” | 84:27–90:57 | | Placebo/Marketing/Anecdote vs Clinical Data | 103:03–end |

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Tone & Style

The episode is candid, occasionally adversarial but respectful, peppered with humor, real-world analogies, personal anecdotes, and direct philosophical clash. Dr. Beck is searching, methodical, and insists on context/data; Otto is passionate, experimental, and emphasizes hope, accessibility, and precedent.

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Conclusion

Both guests agree that urine contains components isolated for medical therapies, but Dr. Beck firmly contends that the raw, non-standardized product is risky, unnecessary, and potentially harmful without strict baseline assessment and context. Otto believes empirical experience and history warrant open-mindedness and acceptance of urine as a low-cost, last-resort, potentially regenerative therapy—particularly for people “failed” by conventional systems. No consensus is reached; the debate remains engaging, thought-provoking, and intense.

Transcript

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Everybody out there in the infospace says, stop eating fish before you see this. Don't do whatever. And you got microplaxes and cutting boards and the linings of the cans and all the black utensils, you know, and all this stuff. And none of them look at the science.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

What they do is they go on Reddit and they have their sales and marketing people find out what's trending and they just regurgitate it too.

[Sean]

Okay, guys, got two guests that have previously been on the show. We're gonna engage in a meaningful conversation debate today. We got Dr. Anthony and John Otto. Thanks for coming on, gentlemen.

[Jonathan Otto]

I appreciate it.

[Sean]

Yeah. For new listeners, let's do some quick one minute intros and then we'll get straight into the debate.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Nice.

[Jonathan Otto]

You start, brother.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, me? Okay, man. Well, I'm Dr. Anthony G. Beck. I'm an integrative and functional medicine physician for the last 30 years. I have a clinical method called Balance protocol which helps individuals find out what things they should do in their lives to maximize and optimize their health, specifically to them, recognizing them as a category of one and doing the right thing in the right order. And I'm here from sunny Florida.

[Sean]

Let's go represent Florida.

[Jonathan Otto]

Awesome. And a father of three amazing children.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, I'm a dad for sure.

[Jonathan Otto]

That's awesome.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Three princesses. It helps to be in central Florida.

[Jonathan Otto]

That's awesome. So, yeah, one appreciate both of you guys for doing this. So my background, so I'm an investigative journalist. I did a couple of degrees in Australia with a specialty in those areas. Found a real interest in natural health because of my own health challenges as a child, and then took my expertise in that area. Some of what you referenced when we're talking off the show, the humanitarian side as well, because that was why I was getting those. That study under my belt was to comment on world issues, to be a part of solutions that related to human suffering. So my pursuit was then to try to, as best as I could, put an end to human suffering. Whether it was against human trafficking, poverty, starvation, but then health. To me, it was all in the same category. It was about oppression, it was about lies, it was about information that could save lives. And so I went and produced a lot of award winning films. Filmmaker as well, and produced the Truth About Cancer series of the documentaries we've released. We've had hundreds of millions of views against the films. Primarily people are pursuing that because they're interested in reversing disease. That's what you're great at. And we are just a part of that huge movement in the world. And what I would say is that there are many people that report that our resources do help them tremendously in turning around conditions that many physicians are not able to solve. Go for them.

[Sean]

So I love it. Thanks, gentlemen. Yeah, it sounds like you two both have similar goals, right?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of synergy there. I mean, I know Ty Bollinger, He. He, you know, chatted with me back in 2010, 2011, something like that, back in the day when he was kind of, you know, revving up for his cancer stuff.

[Jonathan Otto]

That's cool, man.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So, yeah, so I'm sure we have a lot of crossover.

[Sean]

Yeah, you both want to get people healthy. You guys just have different ways about going about it, right?

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, absolutely right.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's the difference.

[Sean]

And the big one I think we'll be discussing today is urine therapy.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's right. I affectionately call it. So you've been the golden delusion. Shots fire. Shots fire.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, you should. If you believe that, you should, and I respect it. And in this case, I would become the defendant because it's largely established today that urine is a waste product. So I'm the kind of kook and the odd one out in this one, so I don't mind being the defendant. I think that there's an extremely valid case for this. And so. So I. And. But, yeah, I can't wait to hear your arguments as well. And I will. I can tell you, I'll honestly consider everything that you're saying and question everything I believe, because if I'm wrong, I don't want to mislead people. I can say that that's absolutely. Don't want to mislead people.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I love that. And I think that's why my method is called balanced protocol. It's a balanced understanding. I'm affectionately disliked by both sides because I'm in the middle. I take a very balanced look at these things because, you know, here I am, you know, by profession and education, I'm an ND and a DOM. Oh, he's not an MD. Okay, well, podiatrists are MDs. Do you really want an MD podiatrist working on your heart? I don't think so. So we all have our space, right? So I speak from a point of view that is clinically experience. I call it skin in the game.

[Jonathan Otto]

Right.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And so I think a lot of. Dare we call it, holistic things. I don't really like that term, because to me, that's whole List. Ick. That's my little. Make fun of it. Because everybody loves a whole list of pills, potions, and powders and the biohackers. I mean, people can. They can Google me, they can go to my website, and they can see the other podcasts I've been on. I mean, my opinions out there are pretty known. And of course, I'm the physician behind the scenes to a lot of the big names that are out there. But. But some want me to say. Some don't want me to say. But the point is there are alternatives that are fantastic, but then there's a lot of fantastic drugs and pharmaceuticals, too. I'm not a shill for big Pharma. I don't like big Pharma, but I train lots of pharmacists. So at the end of the day, it's a balanced understanding. So anything that I can do to just give people the balanced look, and then ultimately they. They can choose for themselves. I don't care if you want to drink urine or not, but my clinical experience, I would highly advise not to. And we'll get into why that actually is, because I've seen a lot of devastating things from it, and you'll probably tell your amazing stories, so I can definitely agree that both exist.

[Sean]

Have you seen any devastating stories on your end, Jonathan, with urine therapy?

[Jonathan Otto]

No. No, and definitely not. So I'm very curious on what you bring up in that regard. No, and it's one of those things where it's interesting. I could show you. The view counts on what we got. So a lot of eyeballs, and that's no bragging. What I'm saying is there's a lot of people watching what I'm putting out, and the other physicians and advocates that I'm talking with and educating with. And so we have, in that sense, a lot of interesting information that comes back to us. Right. So obviously, you know, you get the angry customer, and in this case, somebody that listened to something and it hurt them, like, believe me, to do no harm is number one. That's why you and I are both on the same page when it came to advocating against that harmful prevention. Hokey poke.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I got a lot of YouTube videos taken down because of that.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, for sure. Channels and everything.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But I told everybody that it was, I use the H word on it and with an X. And boy, did I get. Because it is. And it was.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So, yeah, so I'm definitely not into that.

[Jonathan Otto]

For sure. Yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, so to do no harm is something that I, you know, I can see you care about. Because you said something about that and you were vocal and I was an M. And so we both have that in common. So I want to hear what cases you're talking about. Whether these were like, healing crisis Herxheimer reactions that are not part of a healing process, or whether there's something that maybe. Maybe for a time that person or the dosage was too high or anything like. I'm curious on. On that. And then. Yeah, I. And then the same question would go back to Dr. Anthony here as to have you seen any positives?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, you have?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Of course. You know, so, I mean, then how.

[Jonathan Otto]

Could you be against then?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Right, okay. Because. And that's a great question. So we'll get into that. So I've seen positive from all kinds of things. I've seen positive from various, you know, jabs, cocktails. I've seen positive from different chemotherapies. I've seen positives in all kinds of things. That's just the way that works. Then I've also seen them just devastate people. I've seen positive and far more in the method that I use than I've seen. There's never been any harm. So that's the cool thing, because of the context in it, because we do things with a principle called Q square, M square. So that's my little adage for qualify, quantify, measure, and monitor. And this is where it'd be a great parlay into this discussion because this is the part that's missing that I think could make the difference for people, in that the vast majority of people. And this is why I take issue with biohacking. Okay. I can't stand the term, the thing or whatever. It's become very. It's a strong community. It's. So you get that psychosis that comes with it. I mean, I'm envious of it. I have my own community at balanceprotocol me. And at the end of the day, people want to share their stories, but what's missing is people don't have a baseline start before they start implementing things, whether it be urotherapy or it be photobiomodulation or methylene blue or herbs or anything. They just hear somebody who has a very eloquent marketing shtick, and it's hypnotizing. I mean, back in the day, man. I mean, my goodness. I've had a patient of mine who. She was very famous in the industry. I won't say her last name, but McKenna. And she charged 20,000 just to do the marketing words of what the word copy is, to convert to what your offer is and see, I've been a clinician for three decades. I've worked on over 100,000 patient cases. I've trained hundreds of physicians around the world. And so it's given me a very unique perspective, and that is everybody is a category of one. And in order to determine what's going to be beneficial for you, for you to interpret the results, you need to have data prior, during, and after that's missed by the vast majority of people. They do no quantification at all. They go, I'm gonna try it. And they've all got what I call that cabinet of good intentions, right? And so all the pills, potions and powders, you know, the gadgets and gizmos, and they block emf and they do this, and I heard this, does this, and what do you think about this? They asked me, and I go, well, have you qualified it for appropriate for your case? And then have you quantified what you're going to look to change in it? Or are we just going to be going on symptoms and how we feel? And then therein lies the disconnect for anything that people try. Because there is a force in medicine and science that we all must account for, and it's called placebo. It's that powerful. And particularly around something like drinking your own urine, it takes a tremendous amount of mental to take the first thing. Of course, I've drank my pee before. Okay, yes, I've tried it.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, I respect that you would say that, because some people would want to even say that if they.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, and I'll even tell you, I've even separated it, you know, the foamy cells at the bottom and the top. Played with that, swished it around. I haven't put it in my eyes or done any of that stuff. We'll talk about that because, boy, do I have a case that will crack you up. One of the bad things about it. And yeah, so, but now for me, I was like, well, then I do. I drink Mon Kool Aid and say, well, was that me doing the nocebo? So that's just as powerful. Like, if this isn't gonna do shit, well, you know what I'm saying?

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, urine therapy would go in straight into the nocebo, I think, because, like, think about it. Their whole life they've been told that it's poison and it' and it's terrible. And so now they drink it. Why would they feel better? Like, yeah, sure, some hypnotizing guys then said like it'll cure everything or something stupid. And then, and so now they may be convinced by that. But don't you think the. Under the underlying program, the one that's more predominant is still that it's gross and they're like holding their nose, they're nearly vomiting while they're doing it. And then, but then it solves their health problems, which there's so many cases on that. And, and I'll share all the medical journals that have published this over the last hundred years. And they're important because what I'm saying is this is a lost art. And yeah, I think it goes past that because it did pass that and it was predominant in cultures before double blind placebos and all this. And it was passed down through generations and used during critical times in human history.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But here's my pushback on that, that there are published studies in a lot of nefarious journals. Like for instance, I'm a big opponent to the life wave patch. It was the biggest scam I've ever seen in my 30 years because it completely inert, doesn't do anything. But they have a massive amount of stories of people saying, oh my God, I did all these wonderful things. It can't so much. So I have it sent off to the lab now. Wait till you guys see the chemical mass specific that's actually in that. So that's going to break the Internet. But the thing is, so people will say these things, do things, but then these companies will come in and they'll say we have studies or we have literature, because people get me with that all the time. Well, where's your published work? Okay, well, I don't publish. I'm in the trenches. I see. I work with, you know, patients, clients or whatever you want to call it. And at the end of the day, that's my thing. And I'm not a PhD. I don't look at research and just interpret it and then tell people what it says. And then, hey, everybody, this study said this. Therefore you should all do it. When they don't go and take the actual inclusionary and exclusionary criteria of the study. Who was in the study? I'm sure we'll get into the Wake Forest stem cell study. Yeah, it's pretty cool because it had a wide range of age in it.

[Jonathan Otto]

I respect that you know about it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, very familiar. Which is where I think this is where we're going to show a big difference in that. But so just because something is in A journal doesn't mean it's valid. It's just like if something has a patent, people say, well, this is patented. That means nothing. It just means it doesn't prove that it works. Same thing with FDA approved. That doesn't mean anything either.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So if there's a lot of journals out there that certain companies, like the one I just mentioned will publish in that are not legitimate journals, but they're published. And unless somebody knows that that journal is legitimate or not, it's a different story. And so where I was getting with that is that when people say that something they do is based upon a previous colloquial group or history, it doesn't carry weight with me like a lot of people think it would. Right. So one of my education being a dom as a doctor of Oriental medicine, I went through that training. There's one of the things in there that's called the Yellow Emperor's Classic. Right? And there's an acupuncture point for people who have the need to rip their clothes off and run around on the top of the mountain naked, singing. So, in other words, there are things that are in history of different people that do things that use different things. Like over in India, and you're in therapy, but these are the same people who bathe in the Ganges. Then there's some in Africa who. They'll eat the foreskin of their young men or their dead relatives. And that's where the Ebola stuff comes around from. So my point is, in all due respect, you're far more traveled than me globally, right? I'm a United States guy. I don't have all the stamps on my passport. I've been to the Caribbean. My point is this. I get that all those cultures have those things, and they'll have those reports of stuff. I mean, there's cows walking around the streets, and when one's peeing, they run over to it and splash themselves with it. I mean, I get it.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. But they're not held in common. Like, say, for example, one culture will say that ridiculous thing about running around in mountains and the naked. And I was gonna make a joke that I struggle with that sometimes.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm not saying I haven't done it.

[Jonathan Otto]

Actually. Really good for your health there, right?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Exactly. You're grounding your earthing, you know, sunshine.

[Jonathan Otto]

Everywhere where the sun don't normally shine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

There you go.

[Jonathan Otto]

So. But anyway. But notice how then they're like, try to show me that that's in that culture. Then in this African culture, they have the Same thing. They don't. But what they do have in common is urine, which is super interesting and I'm talking like, and specifically like there's a really good PubMed article called Urine through the Centuries. It's a, it's a, it's a weird one. You have to kind of filter through it. When I say a weird one, it's, it's got this, it's like for, for the author's use only it says over the top of it. So you kind of, you have to read through the words. But anyway what it says is that it goes back through Egypt and, and Judaism and Greek, Roman, Ayurvedic, Chinese, Native American, Aboriginal, Australian. You know, it's kind of like you have to try to then find a culture that didn't have a German German origins as well. But then why did they all find it? Tibetan cure for infertility was, was actually strangely enough couples drinking each other's urine and. But then, you know, a company that created Pergonal air Serono made 855 million in one year selling post menopausal women urine extracts to women falling pregnant.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And they trillions have been made from horse urine. That's what Premarin comes from. Right. So again, absolutely there's stuff in the urine. The problem is that no one knows what's in theirs. That's my.

[Jonathan Otto]

So you're for the extract potentially.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because otherwise for sure the urine derived stem cells. Fantastic. But the thing is not the whole.

[Jonathan Otto]

Form of drinking urine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Absolutely not. Because you're getting everything else that's in there. And so to your point of, you know, these other cultures. See that gives. And I'll just tell you, it has no weight for me because those cultures that do that, they're not even in where we're at now. Right. And in India, the largest population of diabetes in the world, which is.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, but they've disenfranchised urine therapy, whatever. It's not really, it's not commonly practiced.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well but that's my point is that there's so much missing from the context. That's one of my tenants. So I say category of 1q squared m square. My next one is context cubed, like in real estate. You know, location, location, location is the value of the property. The value of your case is context, context, context. You have to translate it through multiple layers of data and context of view. And even in like twin studies and stuff like that, if you live in different geographic areas, it's totally different. There's different people in the biohacking Pro. They talk about, you know, mitochondria in Scandinavia is not the same as in the Caribbean. That's true. So the context matters. So that's why when we talk about a universal therapeutic such as urine therapy, well, what about the context? Context, context of the individual. See, there's no readily available Q square, M square. But listeners have to go back and listen. The qualified quantity of a measure and monitor of that person's urine on that day of when they're consuming it. That's the disconnect. There are elements in urine that are very useful, but not in its homogenized state. In totality, you have to separate them. And so.

[Jonathan Otto]

So what would you. Sorry, what would you do if you were stung by a jellyfish?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Nothing. I'd rub sand on it because that's it. Nothing. Because I've done that plenty of times. I'm from North Carolina. I've been stung so many times by jellyfish. I've been swimming with my sister.

[Sean]

Aren't you supposed to pee on it?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I heard.

[Jonathan Otto]

What would you do, Sean?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I remember when Madonn of came out with that back in the freaking, you know, late 80s. I heard that. And of course I've tried it, but I'm like, did it work? No, it didn't. Didn't change a thing.

[Sean]

I haven't been stung, but I heard to do that. So if I do get stung, I will try it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, go ahead. And you know what? There's no harm in it.

[Jonathan Otto]

And it works every time. And I get stung a lot because I'm always diving and, you know, bitten. Actually, here's, here's one. This one, a young girl, 14 year old, stung by a scorpion. And she. She looked really bad. And the locals were saying that she could. She'd likely die from it because it was a large scorpion and she drank her urine because we were in the middle of nowhere and I advised her to do it. Right. And firstly, I had no option. So what would you do now?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Here's the thing. This is where I would say this is where this comes from. Because the urine contains a tremendous amount of antibodies. No, not antibodies.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, sorry.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, it's okay. It can have. But see, the thing is, is like for instance, cortisol. There's a lot of inflammatory things when a person is stressed or in a situation. It instantly gets sent through the whole body. I don't know if we want to talk about the Adreno. And then like a Google browser term that's all out there. People tell that there's that scandal that's out there. But when you're under fear or you get stung or you're whatever, your body instantly gets flooded with a lot of things. And that's just why when you get scared, you pee, you lose that grip for the kidneys and it puts it out. There's a lot of stuff in there. So theoretically, I can recognize that you could consume fear based urine, let's call it for lack of a better term, in a moment like that. And instead of releasing that type of neurotransmitter or neurosteroid, it could go back in and then raise those levels and therefore report a benefit. So see, I'm open minded to things like that. But the problem is there's no all those are. I mean, everything that I do clinically, my 100,000 cases that I've done, it's anecdotal because it's not public. So I'm not afraid of anecdotal evidence. Right. So yeah, there's stories like that.

[Jonathan Otto]

And so. Yeah, and then so would you. And she came right out of it and it was amazing and so super.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So who was there to say, hey, here's what we gotta do. You were just stung by thing. Quick, I know what to do. Let's have you pee in this vessel and drink it.

[Jonathan Otto]

It was me.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, okay, great.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, it was me. We were doing a famine distribution and we were headed on a truck on the way out. And my dad, Nathan, who was. If he watches this show, he'll be very disappointed. He does not like me talking about this subject anyway. It's funny. Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, dad, stay in the.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Car anyway and talk smack about my dad. How he's just, you know, my mom and dad are jars of dirt now, is what I say. People go, oh, that's so bad.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, look, I'm just bringing shame on the family by. By talking this subject. But anyway, it's good to have a good life.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's always gotta be the luxury. Yeah.

[Jonathan Otto]

And anyway, so me and Nathan Crane, who's like a health coach and researcher. Anyway, so we go back and I'm like, nathan, this is what we should tell her to do. And I did use nicotine as well. And there's reasons for that. And I did use cds. I don't want to. That's the C dioxide solution anyway.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Mms.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes, exactly. I just want to be careful about flagging things. But anyway, so she came right out of it. But my question for you, Dr. Anthony, would be, would. Would you do it? Like if You. If you had no other tool there.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, you would just. Not even in the toolbox.

[Jonathan Otto]

You would just watch her and you just give her high fives or what would you do?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, well, the thing is, is there's. I don't know, more of the context.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, just. You've got a 14 year old that's got poisoned by a scorpion and she's.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

The first thing you want to do is fall back. Right. So you want to stop blood flow to the area. So you talk about tourniquets. Then there's of course, you know, manual extraction, you know, kits and things like that they can do. And then what I would do is I would do my best to get her to competent.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But because that's not in my wheelhouse now, I've done immersion, but the point.

[Jonathan Otto]

Is that it's not there.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, great.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, so now what?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Now here's the thing. I would still not have anybody drink their urine.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, but what would you do?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Now if I had some MMs, I would absolutely apply that respect.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes, for sure. But let's say you don't have that. That's the point. In urine therapy, it's the one thing that's always there. But now you've heard even that I had the exact same situation. And what do you think are the chances of it killing her? Her drinking her own urine or severely injuring and permanently disabling her? Okay, so let me ask you this Ohio load.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Just. So where were you when it happened with that case?

[Jonathan Otto]

Northern Kenya, Tucana. And leaving a hotel that we're staying at, which she worked at.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, so now here's the cool thing about this, and this is where I push back, is that it wasn't just the urine. There was nicotine.

[Jonathan Otto]

And it's true.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So then there's changes, the whole shenanigan.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So, and I. It's like, what do we attribute it to? Yeah, you see what I'm saying? So then what would happen is, is then there was no control.

[Jonathan Otto]

There wasn't. And I admit that. And that's why. And I. And I could have admitted those. To use the argument more powerfully.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Otto]

Because no one's there. But I'm telling honestly because I, you know, do no harm. Do the best you could. If I had a red light device, I would have put that on that. Because that, that's also proven for sure as an anti venom.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, not anti venom.

[Jonathan Otto]

It is.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It doesn't have that mechanism of action.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, yeah, it does. It's proven against the bothrops aspir snakes. So look up the study. What was the study put in? Red light therapy. Anti venom. And it's through the mitochondria. It's through energy protection.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

See, that's what. But see, here's the thing. I'm very familiar with photobiomodulation. I'm very familiar with cytochrome C oxidase. I'm very familiar with photons and what they do. I've wielded them clinically for three decades. That's another one of those things that I think what happens is people read a study and they extrapolate out of it incorrectly that red light photons have the ability to neutralize a molecule of venom. So I disagree with that. It doesn't have that mechanism of action.

[Sean]

Okay, I just pulled it up here. You guys can see it on the screen. Red light therapy is not an established or clinically validated antivenom treatment. However, some preliminary research and anecdotal reports suggest that it may help reduce inflammation, pain and tissue damage.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Bingo. It does do the latter. It absolutely can reduce inflammation. It absolutely can increase circulation, all the other things. But as far as neutralizing venom, having a direct photonic to molecular interaction of neutralization, I don't have any scientific evidence or thing that would cause me to believe that that would be the case. See, that mechanism's not there. It's just like when he was talking about mms. Okay. Like when you start working with. With chlorine. Like, I saw a post the other day, and matter of fact, one of your. One of your friends who I don't like, I'm telling Dr. Pompa, I think he's full of a lot of misinformation. They did.

[Jonathan Otto]

You know, he's my friend. I guess he's.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, yeah, but anyways, I saw a post that he did one time where he was talking to you and whatever, and you're the one who got him to think about urine therapy. So that's unfortunate. But I mean, it doesn't surprise me, given that, you know, he. He's not a bearer of truth. But the thing is, is that they're talking about. Well, you know, in the grocery stores that water. They're misting it.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And they're misting it with chlorine and. Oh, my God, chlorine's bad for you. Well, that's called before I do that. See, the point is, is they're in social media. There's this penchant, this need to fear monger. Gaslight, sensationalize, give the sizzle.

[Jonathan Otto]

I Just send that, by the way, Sean, if you check that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So the thing is, is that hypochlorous acid is what that spray is on your vegetables.

[Jonathan Otto]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Hypochlorous acid is like a bleach, is fantastic. Number one, not like a bleach at all. Our bodies make hypochlorous acid. You have hypochlorous acid in your urine.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You have hypochlorous. Hypochlorous acid in your cells. We use it on the skin.

[Jonathan Otto]

I think I was thinking of hypochlorous.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Chlorite, which is bleaching sodium hypochlorite. That is correct. That's a totally different molecule. Sounds familiar, but it's not the same. So my point is, the context is they're like, well, the jug is like 10% or 30%. Well, yeah, it dilutes it over the rain spraying on your vegetables. Hypochlorous acid is a fantastic topical antiseptic, neutralizer, anti, inflammatory or things like that. Now you ask me, what would I do? Well, I don't travel the world, so I would have it. But when I do travel, like to the mountains or go camping or things like that, I have my first aid kit. Right. And of course, hypochlorous acid is in there, but at the end of the day, those are the substances that we can use. So my point to bring this. Weave it back around is that people will take one thing and blow it up to more than what it was and then attribute the benefit to something that wasn't it just because it was there. It's just like, in any case, clinically, there's so many things that have to be included and excluded. So what I don't do is say I don't believe you, or that's a BS story. I'm not gonna deny your reality. I don't expect people to deny mine. It's just that you did more, and there's far more power to do what you were talking about with that MMS molecule than the others even combined. And then we talk about, you know, we don't get.

[Jonathan Otto]

And it is a. MMS is a proven antivenom as well. Calca does have the patent for that. Okay.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So, you know, at the end of the day, that's what I'm saying. There's always more to it. Yeah, that's. I just want the viewer to understand is agreed. Context matters.

[Jonathan Otto]

Agreed. But there's a lot of case studies on people exclusively using their urine for snake bites and deadly animal bites. That's just One that I personally witnessed.

[Sean]

And, and I just pulled up with Jonathan sent that study. You guys see that?

[Jonathan Otto]

And, and so like just defining my point there, like you look at. In conclusion, our data demonstrates that photobiomodulation with LED light, both red and infrared wavelengths, when applied after envenomation in mice reduces the extent of myotoxicity, edema, inflammatory infiltrate and hyper. Hyperplasia.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Mechanism of action on what it does. Exactly nothing to the venom molecules molecule.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, why exactly. And, and that's fine. And so I could take that, that definition of it. It's not like, let's not say that it's. It's in and of itself an anti venom, but it's reducing the effects of envenomation.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, of course.

[Jonathan Otto]

And, but, but then working to help aid that issue. And so in that sense, in a, in a blanket sense, it is like an anti venom type therapy. But yes, sure.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

See, I would push back on that and disagree with you. See, that's, this is where you're a fantastic sales and marketing narrative. I don't have that. And what happens is that when people make certain statements, it muddies the intellectual integrity. And I'm not saying you're not having integrity. I'm just saying maybe someone hasn't had this dialogue with you yet. Photons do what photons do. And then we go, well, how do we know what they do? Well, then that's established. Okay, but at the end of the day, there are different therapeutics that when you combine them with other therapeutics, you have a compounding benefit and effect.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, let's go scandalous. Same thing like somebody going in out to Colorado in a sweat lodge and getting their hands on some ayahuasca. Well, not the same as if you go down to South America and you have a shaman do it where they use what other nicotine, other combinations, and then there's a combination that then makes it so. In other words, there's tons of molecules that don't do anything until they're activated by or done with another one. And so this is why the mixing of therapeutics is critical. And that's what I do. I don't just do this one thing. I call them niche pickers. People love to have this one thing. They pick their niche and they make everything about that. And I believe that's what urine therapy is.

[Jonathan Otto]

And you'll notice that case in point. And this is just a particular case study where the girl had a good outcome. But I used, used everything I could. And then I'm being honest about the fact that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And I love that you. You did that. So that it's. So the context now changes that you did a lot of other things. You don't have the ability to know what moved the needle.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes, exactly. But I. But this is an example of something where this was my own self. Right. So this is. This is my leg. Right. So this is something that I had for. For two years.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yep.

[Jonathan Otto]

And it was terrible. And that's this morning. But within, like, a couple of hours after it. Well, immediately after I'd injected it with my urine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay.

[Jonathan Otto]

The pain and the itching went away after it being, like, excruciating.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So, like, here's the thing on that.

[Jonathan Otto]

I know that. I know there's a million things we can say against it, but I can tell you that in the clinical studies on how urine has been used by major and documented, publicized in major medical journals over the last hundred years. Because. Because. Hence why all the derivatives came from urine. Urokinase, urea, et cetera, et cetera, Premarin.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But stem cells.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. Yes. And. And so. Which we should talk about. But then now, like, then I see this visibly myself, and we then document it in so many cases. Like, it, like, you know, my friend here, this is an example with his skin, which doesn't look very good.

[Sean]

Holy crap.

[Jonathan Otto]

And so this Daniel, like a super close friend of mine. And so I visibly watched the changes as. As he was applying it over. Over the days. And yes, sure, this was.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But did it. All you do is apply urine and nothing else in his life.

[Jonathan Otto]

No other change before this. This was after, like, years of trying to detox. Right. So sadly, this is kind of the result of all these toxins coming out, then urine in and of itself. Then.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Can you show that to the camera? Because I'd love for people to see what we're talking about.

[Jonathan Otto]

And then we can flash, because this.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Is exactly what I'm talking.

[Sean]

I'll have my editors throw it up.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, perfect. So here's my thing on that, Jonathan. You see the content? See, I love to focus on the patient's unique story, what got them to where they're at. Okay, so this guy, I'm just picking him. Correct me if I'm wrong, he had a history of trying to detox. Okay, well, I've mentioned a guy who sells a detox for $8,000, who has sent me so many patients because of how much it's wrecked their health. The thing is, is that that's what happens out there in the industry is people going out oh, they hear, oh, I need to detox. Thank goodness. Now you're hearing people say, well, we got to open up the pathways. Right? Which is true. But at the same time, they're not knowing what they're detoxing, what the other systems that they're going to now rely upon to command the body to do these therapeutics that we're going to interact with. And then you have countless. I have countless stories like that. That's like the gray skin on Game of Thrones. I've had one like that.

[Jonathan Otto]

That's pot reptilian. Right.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So at the end of the day, he has a backstory that got him to that. Let that be a lesson to the listeners that that's what happens when you listen to a sales or marketing funnel or you go to one, the detox summit.

[Jonathan Otto]

But he had amalgams. And so, yeah, we could.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, there you go.

[Jonathan Otto]

But he was doing his best. And he's a pharmacist himself, so he's a.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

There's a lot of people doing their best. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Jonathan Otto]

But like. But anyway, just in case people.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Which.

[Jonathan Otto]

You'll hate this, but, like. Like, this was me just trying to work it out, right? So I took a peptide needle, insulin needle, and then I.32 gauge. Yeah. And then I injected these little bubbles into it. And again, this is two years at this point, and I could not get rid of it. And I tried everything. Right? And I've got a company. Yeah, there you go. Exactly. But. But. But then think about that. Couldn't we argue that that's a sales pitch?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

What's that?

[Jonathan Otto]

Right. That I had to try that I could. I could have tried you.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah. Oh, man. I'm always. I'm learning to, you know, always be closing abc.

[Jonathan Otto]

I'm trying, but this is me closing people on themselves. Like, nothing was extracted here. Like, no. No credit card, no Amazon, no me, no you.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I got it.

[Jonathan Otto]

And we, like, if this is, like, for me, after years of this.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Right, but what was the cause of that?

[Sean]

Well.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, what if we don't ever find out? And what if we don't need to find out? Even though I'm saying, yeah, that's great, and we could run a bunch of lab tests and we could get to the bottom of it yet. And that was the next. That was three days later. But, like, as soon as I put that in there, that urine goes into my body. And remember, like, there are antibodies and there are all these different responses.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You don't know that. Well, you didn't test the urine. You don't know what's in there.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, but that's like this scientism kind of idea.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I get it. That's why we need I making this so compl.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, but what if it doesn't have to be in this case it wasn't. I just put it in my body and then immediately I felt no itch, no pain. I could sleep at night, which I couldn't. And then three days later it was like that. And then you saw the picture of what it was like this morning.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

For sure, it's noteworthy. But here's, here's, here's what I would say. But what if it wasn't what if? Because we're gonna do the what if in the I'm kind of a game. But it's, you know, what if, okay? Because that's what scientific method starts with a hypothesis. You have a hypothesis, you're forming a hypothesis, you do tests. It's just like we figured out, you know, what beriberi was. Okay. Or what we do normally suggest people eating their flesh to see if it would do. So my whole thing is this. But what if somebody does the same thing, goes to their, you know, my mom was a type 1 diabetic. Her pancreas was killed by a steroid shot by doctors for a nasal infection. So if I, and I used to take her, her, her syringes and one time I was spinning around, thought it was funny and I had my tongue and that bit my tongue off. It's pretty funny. It was living. So anyways, so I'm mentally triggered to the, to the BD32 gauge needle. But anyways, so what if somebody takes their mom's insulin needle and then goes, pull. Draws their urine in and start shooting it into something that they do because they heard that now.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, it's possible.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You see what I'm saying? So it's probable because you're very passionate about you and that's a crazy ass story. It's a great story. But then there is a, there's value in, dare I say, medical but scientific restraint. Because that's what the scientific method is. This is what I tell people. Yes. What I do is anecdotal and I don't have all these published studies. But the thing is, is that I go, here's a hypothesis, here's what I did. I've repeated it tens of thousands of times. And it's not just one therapeutic, it's everything, it's complicated. And they did these things in these Order. Because we never detox first. Detox is the absolute last thing you do. You have to nourish the patient first, then you balance out systems and then you biotransformation. People who try to detox first are the ones who have the Herxheimer reactions and then of course says, push through the pain. But my whole point is this. That's a great story. So is the grayscale neck thing of the guy. But he's got a story.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, he does. But we know that there's stem cells in urine. We know that there's antibodies in urine. We know there's enzymes in urine. We know there's a urea.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, let's talk about those components. Yes, all those things are in there. Okay, but you can't. This is where a fundamental lacking of understanding of science, medicine, biology is super important.

[Jonathan Otto]

This is where I think that that's like the cult of medicine and the indoctrination is taking over, which I think that your mind has been poisoned by that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, and here's my thing, and that's an interesting term of poison, but the thing is that there is stability in the wind. Okay? This is why we have things that are written down. So in one note, you're holding on to citing and embracing scientific method. And study publishes. But then when we talk about the institution that offers that it's a poisoning of the mind that's duplicitous, I believe. So my thing is this scientific method of forming a hypothesis, doing an experiment, gathering data, and then handing it off to your colleagues.

[Jonathan Otto]

I'm saying that that has all been done with urine therapy. Urine has been arguably one of the most single studied substances for sure, by far.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's not even close.

[Jonathan Otto]

It is. And I mean, well, that's. I'm quoting science magazine from 1960.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, hold on. Science magazine.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes, And Oxford Medical Symposium. And the symposium, like various. The New York Times medical section. Like you just. What I'm saying is, and this is where I feel like I. And Sean, I'll let you kind of referee this because urine is today completely disregarded as a waste product. I think that I deserve a chance to kind of show what the medical literature has said on this over the years and how it has been used for cancer and why there's anti tumor cells in urine and how it's being used, and then we can throw every dart at it. But I feel like we're discussing something that most people watching think that this is false. They've never even heard the information. I don't Think that you've heard the information that I could share. Jonathan, with all due respect, what's the most compelling thing that you've heard about urine or the most scientific compelling information about it?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, one thing at a time, okay? Because to say I'm not. I am profoundly versed and clinically experienced in urine therapy. Profoundly. You gotta understand I come from naturopathy, Oriental medicine, that kind of fun stuff, alternative whatever.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, that's fun for me. I'm glad.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Right. Okay, so I. Lots.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. And no disrespect, I want to know about it. No problem. And when you say that, then I want to know.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So I haven't gotten into my experience yet, I'll tell you that. Okay, so here's what we have to do. Just like with other things, because you use certain terms, poisonous, cult and da da, da. So here's the deal. It's the same thing. Like when it comes to religion, okay? Thank goodness. We have the scriptures, we have the Bible, but even with that we got all kinds of interpretations.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, okay.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And no one agrees.

[Jonathan Otto]

So you sound like you have faith in God.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

The Bible, 100%. Jesus Christ is my savior. I'm a Christian and a sinner, okay? I do my best.

[Jonathan Otto]

Proverbs 5. Drink water from thine own world. Draw water from thine own cistern. Okay, I get it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah. But they also said there's some other things we can talk about. What you should do with your brother's seed and stuff like that too.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, but is that discrediting?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But no, they didn't know what we know today. This is why we have an advanced in science and things. And we still disagree. Okay? Hell, we're still debating seed oil is good or bad.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, Black seed oil is good.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Black seed oil is fantastic. So is flaxseed, so is non GMO cold pressed canola. Rapeseed oil. Okay. It's the context of the individual. Which is funny because we're going to get into MDA in a second, but here, I'm coming with this. Jonathan, you have to understand this is a great debate and why I wanted to do it. Okay, because you're a researcher. Journalist. But I'm going to add sales and marketing guy.

[Jonathan Otto]

I don't mind. Okay, but so are you.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You were the one. No, I'm learning to be. Oh, I'm admitted. I'm trying. I'm here to sell myself to people to where they can come and have a balanced understanding and not have to, you know, inject their urine into their random rashes.

[Jonathan Otto]

And I'M saying, just listen to this and try it out. Even just putting it on topically, and then you don't have to pay me a cent. But then. And you're saying, check this out.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm probably gonna blow your mind. I just said, what if somebody injects themselves? Okay. And they have adverse rate? You ready for this? Okay. Yeah, go ahead, try it out. I'm not telling people not to drink their pee. I'm not saying don't try it out at all, because that's mad skin in the game. That's firsthand knowledge. That's the only thing that you can get in court. You guys ever notice that attorneys never swear in because they're professional liars? They don't have to swear in. Prosecuting attorneys never have to swear in. Okay, but that's why we've got court cases like Pagliaro usa. You can't give testimony unless you have firsthand personal knowledge of it. So I want people to get firsthand personal knowledge of it, listen to what people say and critically think it. What I'm saying is, when we start attributing things to consuming urine because of their components, that's where the basis is lost for the individual doing that. I was lecturing on stem cells at the the A4M conference to physicians from around the world in 2008. So me and Nick Delgado.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, cool guy, right?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You know Nick?

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay. He and I don't agree about stuff.

[Jonathan Otto]

Vegan guy.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, Right. But, you know, look at him. We're about the same age.

[Jonathan Otto]

He's strong.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And you know what? I don't use urine on my face. How am I doing?

[Jonathan Otto]

You look good, bro.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

53.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, you look great.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I want to be your data thing. I'm old enough to be your dad.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And we both got the same skin. So here's my point. The thing is, is this. I understand. No, I understand about stem cells. As a matter of fact, there's a big ruse and scam going on out there in the world now about using stem cells and going to Mexico and getting these, and then now. And now, technically, they're exosomes. And anyways, so, dude, this is my world too, okay?

[Jonathan Otto]

I just got rid of my dandruff, by the way, by putting age urine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But here's my thing. But why did you have that on your leg or dandruff in the first place if you drink your urine?

[Jonathan Otto]

Because I didn't come to see you. You money to solve my problems.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's exactly right. I do a lot of pro bono work.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, no. Anyway, it's no criticism because.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No criticize. I love it. You can't get me.

[Jonathan Otto]

But what I'm saying is like, like why can we not give tools directly to the public? Like. And, and that's why, you know, I'm sure you give information on, like.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, because there's no standardization of it. There's got to be a control, right? I'll give you an example.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, there are controls in these studies and that's why.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Not in the studies. I'm talking about to the people. Right. See, there's no control to the person. Right? So like for instance, okay, looking into your stuff, I've seen things. So you have a private label dietary supplement line, okay, so those supplements get sold, you're in everybody else's. I own a nutraceutical company, don't get me wrong, okay? I don't use any private label stuff. But the difference is we do a lot of.

[Jonathan Otto]

All our best sellers are all custom. I can prove it. Okay? Yeah, I looked at them.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's made by Vitalabs. I've consulted for the industry. I know who makes everything.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, but okay, Parapurifier. Did you look at that? Toxic binder, super folvic minerals. These are all these. These are.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, I know. Okay, I want to get at you because that's, that's a whole nother thing off the topic.

[Jonathan Otto]

Whatever. But then where else can you find the 10 to 1 extract? Mimosa pudica seed full of cumic.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I can get it from India.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, what I'm saying is that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Let me. Give me my things. Probably get you a better deal.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, what I'm, what I'm telling you is that we like, it's. It's fine. Like in terms of private label supplements are out there, that's great. But I'm saying that the supplements we sell the most of are the custom formulations and.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, they're not custom. Everybody has the same ones.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, no, I'm saying that we, we. I developed those. Like, we actually worked out the formulas myself. And I know what you're talking about. There are some, there are like, yeah, sure, there's some like private label stuff. But I'm saying the things that we sell the most of are all the.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Custom, regardless if they're custom or not. The problem here is this, is that when you take supplements and you take things for things you. Now, because they work, these molecules do what they do. So then, now whatever mechanism, action that they do or work on, whether it be the Kidney, the liver, the lymph, immune system, whatever. They now start to do things inside of the body. And those things will always have a waste product. They'll have a consequence. Just like if you're making this beautiful lacquered thing, there was a lot of dust that kept made from making this wood table. Okay? So that byproduct is dealt with by the body and eliminated. All we do is excrete stuff, right? Boogers, tears, earwax, mucus from the lungs, pee, sweat. I mean, all we do is eject things. And so the thing is, is that when you start looking at what gets ejected into those things. Okay. People even use an earwax, by the way, to Dr. Yeah.

[Jonathan Otto]

For healing. Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Wow.

[Jonathan Otto]

Interesting. I don't know about it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, well, see. Well, somebody. Come on.

[Sean]

I need to find an earwax expert.

[Jonathan Otto]

Go to Dr. Anthony. I don't.

[Sean]

Wait, so they eat their earwax?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah. And use all kinds of. I don't want to. For the sake of time. Just somebody have fun with that. Go down that rabbit hole. I get it, okay? But you know what? The same thing here is, what I'm trying to bring us back to is that there are components in these things that the body has that cannot, in combination of how they're given in, say, like urine, get attributed to the benefits of the separate component.

[Jonathan Otto]

Oh, yeah, like urea. Like the extraction of urea, the extraction of your kinase.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

The stem cells, the immune things, the enzymes. They're not there. You know, it reminds me, you know, you've got somebody. Another urine guy. I don't have to mention everybody throwing.

[Jonathan Otto]

Shade, but Dr. Ed Group.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Perfect, you said. I mean, and they love to say stuff like, you know, ozempic has Gila monster venom in it.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, well, are you pro Ozempic?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, of course. It's a fantastic medication.

[Jonathan Otto]

I hate it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And I think Tirzepatide's another fantastic medication.

[Jonathan Otto]

Sean's like, yeah, this is great. Yeah, it is.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because here's the difference. I'm a clinician. You're not.

[Jonathan Otto]

Oh, yeah, sure. So you think that it's fine to poison people because you're a clinician, but.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That'S funny coming from somebody who just tells people to drink urine, which contains toxins that they're trying to detox.

[Jonathan Otto]

Allegedly, babies drinking urine in the womb is nothing to me.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And we'll come to that.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, let's talk about it, because that's amazing.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I literally. And here's my sales thing. People can go to balance protocol, gps.com. okay, I've developed. I'm going to next week going to Asheville to work with a national company. You guys have probably heard of Genova, and I use urine as the basis for over 100 biomarkers.

[Sean]

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[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, so one fun one real quick because I'm gonna go into market. Milk. Can I do that just. Yeah. All right. Because I'm. No shame in the game because we gotta do that.

[Jonathan Otto]

So, you know, everybody talks and I need to disrespect you on that. And I actually take back my thing on the sales because I actually. I respect.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, perfect. So you know how everybody says mthfr?

[Sean]

Yep.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Right. And they say if you have the MTHFR gene, you cannot convert folic acid to a usable form. That's not true. MTHFR does not convert folic acid. DHFR does. And I've said that before on the previous show. So those who say that, they already have no idea what they're talking about. But if you really want to know what you don't, you can look at a gene, a SNP single nucleotide polymorphism. I'm sure you know about these things and you could say that it's there, but it doesn't tell you what it's doing. It is not a functional test. You might have it, but that doesn't. Okay. I rented a car from a thing and I'm driving a Mustang. Okay, great. I have no idea what the horsepower is. I don't know if it's going to Drive or not? I drove it. Oh, it works. It functionally works. The thing about it is we use a functional marker called methylmalonic acid. Is a functional marker for is B12 adequately functioning in the body? That's in your urine. If you want to know if you have enough folate or is methylfolate or hydroxylfolate or folic acid working in your body specifically. We also, in the urine get something called for an aminoglutamic acid. If there's excessive fig glue or mma, we know that you have a functional deficiency in those nutrients that can justify supplementation in addition to food, not genes. So my point of that is there are thousands of biomarkers in urine that if a person without Q square M square I'm going to call it recklessly consumes and I'm going to say they're going to die. I hate the left. Everything is they're going to die. You might be fine, but others you can wreck your metabolism. And that's what I've seen. You see what I mean? So my point is the urine is not sterile. It has a tremendous amount of colony forming units in it because it's supposed to. And it has, you're absolutely correct, various hormones, neurotransmitters, byproducts. The list is massive. Which is why I don't do it or use it or leverage it because it's so out of place. It's like trying to make a sauce with every herb that's out there. Okay. If anybody's ever mixed sage with basil, you'll understand the mistake. You can't have all these components in your urine to just be recklessly injected, swallowed, applied topically without any type of monitoring.

[Jonathan Otto]

You can't have hundreds of milliliters of urine in the womb every day.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yes, they do.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay. And by the 100% that's in science, the cult that I'm in.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, yeah, exactly. So then how come.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'll tell you.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, tell me, why does the baby consume, urinate every one to three hours, consume hundreds of milliliters. Hundreds of milliliters of milliliters of its own urine every day. Over a thousand milliliters a day.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yes.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. There you go. Well, I mean these are estimates, but amazing. Thank you.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

They've measured it.

[Jonathan Otto]

So it's a liter.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yep.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, so I'm with you. Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So volume doesn't impress me.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, yeah. Great. Okay, great. And, and that, and it's not a toxin free environment.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's correct.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. Because coming through the placenta.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because. Exactly.

[Jonathan Otto]

So, so so why is it fine then? As soon as the baby exits.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

The baby is not human Urine. Babies are not in our environment taking a bunch of supplements, taking a bunch of herbs, taking mms, taking methylene blue, taking all these things. That's why.

[Jonathan Otto]

But that's not strong. Because it's extremely strong.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

They're not.

[Jonathan Otto]

Let's talk about the difference between red.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Wine and white wine.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, it's. No, because both from a grape. Let's talk about.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

They're both fermented.

[Jonathan Otto]

Let's talk about what's harmful. Okay. So when the environmental working group tested for the toxins in the umbilical cord.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yep.

[Jonathan Otto]

Tested for 400. Of those, 287 were found. Of those, over 180 were proven to cause cancer, birth defects and brain deformations. It's coming through the umbilical cord. While it is.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, it can, but.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, it is. And while the baby's growing in the womb.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Here's what they meant to.

[Jonathan Otto]

And now it's urinating at these intervals, one to three hours. Drinking it. You can watch it in ultrasound. But we've already established for those that don't believe it even happens, they just.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

What does it happen?

[Jonathan Otto]

Babies don't drink urine in the womb.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, yeah, they do. And it goes in their lungs, too.

[Jonathan Otto]

Exactly. And it's irresponsible for forming their lungs. And then second trimester is 90 of the amniotic fluid is. Or the. What's in the sac is urine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's correct.

[Jonathan Otto]

But think of the intervals of when you're doing it. You're urinating every one to three hours and then drinking hundreds or thousands of milliliters. Then it's going to become basically all mix of urine and Anyway.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, but here's the thing.

[Jonathan Otto]

But why can they do that? But we can't.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm going to show you.

[Jonathan Otto]

Even with all those.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's your answer. And this is where I'm hoping you'll adjust and correct the argument.

[Jonathan Otto]

I'll take it. Because if it's legit.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, I'm gonna tell you, it's science.

[Jonathan Otto]

All right, so sound like fat.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

The fluid. The fluid is going in there, is cycling in that fluid. Okay. At the same time. That's why we have a belly button. Right. But did Adam have a belly button?

[Jonathan Otto]

No.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay. Exactly. So my one thing is, is that it's directly bypassing all of the organs of the baby and going directly to the vein and artery into the baby. Listen to me.

[Jonathan Otto]

The fluid through the umbilical cord is going directly into the it's doing all.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

The work for the baby, but then.

[Jonathan Otto]

When it urinates and then drinks, it goes back through its organs, but it's being removed.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So you're not. So umbilical cord function versus amniotic fluid are not the same. So when the EWG does a study and they're a big marketing click stuff anyways. I like the word. It's irrelevant to the no, because here's the problem.

[Jonathan Otto]

There's chemicals in the yes, but here's.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

What they didn't do. Did they take samples from the fetus and the amniotic fluid of those umbilical cord samples? The answer is no.

[Jonathan Otto]

No. And they think they would find it in the urine because.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, you can't presume or assume that.

[Jonathan Otto]

Go to urinemetabolome. Ca. Look at, at the 6,000 or, you know, 5,600 small molecule metabolites and concentrates in urine. The body print. That's the point. That's true. But this is in the body and the blood is in the urine. That's the point of.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But the baby is not. The baby's. What it's consuming is not the same as adults that are going to hear this show are consuming or not at all.

[Jonathan Otto]

What I'm saying. Well, they're. They're getting 287 chemicals.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I don't care if there was 8,000.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, still, it's going into their body and then it now has to pass through all their organs and then their organs do the work. And that's where people don't even understand.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, their organs are not doing the work. No, they are not. See, that's where you're missing in foundational stuff. Not having the background.

[Jonathan Otto]

So they don't have any organs that are doing any work. So when they drink it, it doesn't go through. Like I know the moms are doing the work.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's why moms are just rocked when.

[Jonathan Otto]

They'Re building babies before the baby exits the womb. You're saying that their liver, their kidneys do nothing at that point?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I didn't say that.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm saying the work of it. In other words, if they. Because here's the thing, if that was the case.

[Jonathan Otto]

It is.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, it's not.

[Jonathan Otto]

But the kidneys are working. That's the point of them.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

This is why a mother who consumes alcohol doesn't kill the baby because it didn't get all the alcohol that's in her system.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Over time it can bring damage.

[Jonathan Otto]

Filtering it Out.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So there's a disconnect here, Jonathan. What you're doing is. I understand you're trying to use babies and them drinking their own pee inside the womb as justification for adults to do it. I'm saying that is a fallacy because we are not babies.

[Jonathan Otto]

Taking a zempic is fine, but anyway, sorry, go ahead.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yes, I wouldn't give a zippy to a baby.

[Jonathan Otto]

Because it's not.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because they're not an adult. Okay, so my wife because you know it's bad or a two year old.

[Jonathan Otto]

Because you know it's bad?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, because they're not the same.

[Jonathan Otto]

Thousands in lawsuits, thousands of lawsuits against Novo Nordisk.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And what about the hundreds of thousands that die every year from board certified licensed medical professionals?

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, yeah, and Zempic is part of that. The lawsuits are terrible on that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And all the paralysis, there's context missing from those. This is great that you bring that up, because that's my main thing that I'm saying is that context defines the understanding. There are people who have a horrible lifestyle, horrible environment, horrible mindset, horrible nutrition. The four factors of balance protocol. And they're morbidly obese. And they go and say, hey, this drug's amazing. I heard the jingle on TV and go ask your doctor if Ozempic is right for you. They took it, they dropped a ton of weight. All that fat, all that muscle loss dumped in. Here's what's funny. Here's the irony. Dumped into. Now guess what? They're urine. So now should people who are losing massive amounts of weight consume their urine? Well, of course not, but see, that's.

[Jonathan Otto]

People lose weight on urine therapy. There's lots of information on that, of.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Course, especially the ones that fast and do it as part of urine and fasting because you're not consuming enough stuff.

[Jonathan Otto]

I went six days just drinking my urine with no food.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, of course you'll lose weight.

[Jonathan Otto]

Water. But not that I want to do it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's simple. Exactly. But see, that's the thing. See, the context matters. See. So the urine in the womb is not what we're consuming. That's the point blank in the period, as they say, adult urine or even adolescent. I don't know if you have your kids drink it or not. But the thing is that when you are. So the thing is when you're an adult. Let's talk about adults. Is watching the show. If you're an adult drinking urine, that is nothing compared to what a baby is doing inside of the womb. You cannot compare it. Amniotic Fluid is not the urine that is in ours. They're not identical. The baby doesn't have all the microbes in there. It doesn't have the hormones or anything. It's one of those kind of things where it's the same thing. Like when it comes to talking about certain supplements or medications that cross the blood brain barrier. The blood brain barrier is not necessarily a physical barrier. It is a chemical barrier. The mom provides a powerfully profound chemical barrier to protect the baby. And this is why I don't believe in evolution. I believe in creation. Is that what an intelligence, that the baby is not having to deal with everything that the mother does? Yes, you might find chemicals in the umbilical cord, but that doesn't mean that they were in the amniotic fluid being recirculated by the baby drinking and breathing them, or running through the baby's organs. Nor did they ever test baby organs to see if those chemicals are in there. So that really matters.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. Awesome. And sorry, Sean put in, do babies organs work in the womb?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Of course they work in the womb.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, okay, this is what we're trying to establish in terms of whether the organ functions are the same. And then the other question being that. And then us looking at.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But see, here's the thing. Their immune system works. The baby's immune system is working also various chemicals within the immune system, but yet it's not developed yet. And they need to exit the womb, pick up beneficial microbes, nurse on mother to get things. Because here's the thing, the baby isn't given anything in utero that it gets from nursing. So just that's the part that I really hope that you'll concede in, is that what the baby's organs are doing, which are functioning, is secondary to the mother, both chemically and mechanically.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes. And I accept, and that's the whole point of the environmental working group study, that the placenta is a filter. Right. And so, and I would say that like, and you and I have the same beliefs.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I wouldn't even call it a filter because like people call the liver a filter. The liver is not a filter, Kidneys are filters. But the liver is biotransformation. It is a biochemical thing. It's not filtering anything. So the milk cord and the. And the placenta are not a filter. I wouldn't align with that term.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. Okay, so, but whatever's coming through the, like the body, and you think about arguably how God designed things, that whatever toxins are coming to the mother, the body, her body is Doing the best it can to just block that so it doesn't get to the baby. But now. And that's the point of this, including emotions. Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And all those chemicals, if the mother is stressed out, the baby's gonna get those chemicals. Those do pass through, just like they pass into the urine, which is one of the things. And this is where I would go. I would say to you that I recognize and acknowledge that baby urine is being reconsumed by the body at a liter a day. And here's the thing. So that's another argument why moms don't need to be in stressful toxic relationships and whatever, because those chemicals are going into the baby and it's circulating in the baby. So something's happening. Go through some things. Do not. But the babies drinking urine is no justification for adults in the world, the environment we live in, to drink urine.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, yeah. And. And obviously you could see my argument when we've then found that even though the. The mother's body is trying to filter out the toxins, the reason for the study, which. Which only tested 400 chemicals, which could have tested for tens of thousands, but of those they found, they found about 75% at 287 of those over 180 are proven to cause cancer, birth defects, and brain defects.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's a side thing. That's.

[Jonathan Otto]

Stay with me. And then now it's going into the body. The baby is. Now you look at the summary table in the baby's organs. Anyway, this is the one I've got. Like heart. Yes. So the baby's heart is, of course, active in the womb. The brain is active. The lungs, not fully, because it's the amniotic fluid, the urine, et cetera, that's going in it. Liver, partially kidneys. Yes. Digestive tract. Yes.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's going.

[Jonathan Otto]

Ants developing. And then. So now. So the urine that they're drinking, well, the amniotic fluid, the fluid that's coming into them, and then they're drinking it. Now it becomes what we call urine once it goes through this process. Because you could eat anything. You could eat, you know, steak and eggs for breakfast, or you could eat something vegan or whatever, but at the end of the day, whatever's coming out of you, we say, well, that's urine. So regardless of what's going in now, once it goes through the whole system, then we call it urine and that. And so now the baby is consuming this substance, is passing through the same organs that. That it then, on the day of its birth, passes through. And now we say disgusting, get rid of this, you know, substance. Don't touch it little boy.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And I'm with you. I don't say it's disgusting, but I know what it is.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Like if I, if I, but it.

[Jonathan Otto]

Was safe to consume up until that point. And now for some reason, magically, the whole equation is even though they had toxins, even though imagine I could actually even create a, a more toxic free environment because unlike the mother, maybe she got exposed because she was cooking with Teflon, she was eating food sprayed with glyphosate. Now that other child then is in a purer environment. And now even that even though they're getting less exposures then they now shouldn't. But what I'm saying is the reason why the baby thrives in the womb is because of its urine. Because of the fact that those toxins, Think about it, think about how antivenoms are created, where they're put into a large mammal, like injected into them, whether it's tarantula or snake. And then the specific species that is goes into the blood then over a period of time to not kill the animal, then they extract the blood, try to filter the blood and you know, urine is filtered blood plasma, ultra filtrate. It is a filtration of the blood. And that's the point. And we're only like our kidneys are filtering about 180 liters of blood per day and about 1% of that is then going out to the bladder and into urine. And then that is, it's passing through the process of which this other urine, the 180 liters are getting filtered through the kidneys, then get reabsorbed back into the body. And then the part that goes into the bladder and it goes out of the body, then we say that's unsafe even though we see all the examples in the womb that show that it is safe.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, well, here's the thing again. Someone's got to stay sober because I know you're passionate about that and you're used to saying this a lot. Okay. And I love it. But I'm going to say baby umbilical fluid urine is not adult drinking urine. It's not, but then it's a full stop. So then out of your entire narrative you have to remember, and a 5 year old's urine is not a 15.

[Jonathan Otto]

Year old and an 80 year old is not an 80 year old.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That's right. They're all different. Exactly right. 100% correct.

[Jonathan Otto]

But the organ structure is the same.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But that doesn't matter. The baby is not reality. Out of the womb that we're telling people to drink. We. You.

[Jonathan Otto]

It's just a blanket.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Like, so it's no justification. In other words, it's not. The organs aren't.

[Jonathan Otto]

I see why people. Like, why do you think that? So somehow we become.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Are you really gonna hang your hat on the justification for drinking adult urine based upon a baby drinking its urine? Jonathan?

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes, absolutely.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That is wild.

[Jonathan Otto]

But it's not.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But I'm glad you said it.

[Jonathan Otto]

But I'm not the only one. Like, you're not forebears.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And you know what? There's people who say that about fecal matter and they go and take their poop and they freaking stick it in another person's poop thinking they're getting a fecal transpl.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. And obviously there's clinical settings by which we have seen that proven. Maybe you think it's a fallacy. That's fine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, I think fecal transplants are done when you're done.

[Jonathan Otto]

Right.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

The same thing when it comes to urine. Urine derived stem cells are processed. Out of all the crap that's in there. That's the whole thing. Urine stem cells have been found to be fantastic to do things. They're a source of it. Why? Because. Because you have that nice lining of the mucosa of the bladder and the urethra, all of our buds. There's stem cells lining in your lungs and it's in your sinuses. It's everywhere. Okay. The thing about it is that drinking urine for its stem cells, you're not going to ever get those stem cells. They're going to be digested. They're going to be denatured. Hell, stem cells are.

[Jonathan Otto]

So why didn't they get digested? Why didn't they get digested by the babies that were suing them?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

They're not being digested. And how do you. And here's the thing. Wake Forest didn't study umbilical, which you can mention. That's right. So here's my point.

[Jonathan Otto]

There's 100 million stem cells in like 140 originally. Tens of.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

There's more in mensis blood. So why don't we just start pulling mensis blood? Why don't we consume menses blood after all. And then we lower our voice like this and we talk about it. Well, it is the life giving nutrient force of the mother that's attached and there's that placenta and then we can start super aggrandizing menstrual blood because it has like, by a fact, 20 times.

[Jonathan Otto]

More as a face mask.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Exactly. And cultures do, too.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And they'll eat.

[Jonathan Otto]

I have a pedestrian. Looks amazing.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Her name is Laura. Okay. She is a fantastic lady. Just two weeks ago, delivered a child at home. Home birth. And next thing you know, she's posting on social media that she took some of her placenta and put it in the Vitamix and she's drinking it. Now. Do I recommend her? Hell, no. But she could do what she wants to do. So my point is, I don't care if someone drinks placenta, menstrual blood, urine, or fecal matter. There's some people that are turned on by that. There's an entire category of that.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. Which is obviously not what we're talking about.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Correct. But see, I'm not going to be intellectually dishonest and compare the two, because poop is not there now.

[Jonathan Otto]

The baby's not in the womb yet.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because, you know, they don't have their first.

[Jonathan Otto]

And there's a reason for that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, of course. So I'm with you. I'm trying to find common ground.

[Jonathan Otto]

Come on, man. And I appreciate that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

All right, so. But this is why. This is going to be so fun.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, it is.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But I need for people to understand that we will disagree on it, and that's okay. But my position is amniotic baby urine is not the same thing as adult urine. It's not. Okay. So that's no justification at all. In my mind's eye. I think that's very fair and reasonable. So what I come back to is the components in urine. There are components in urine in the context, as if they are pulled out and extracted. Okay. That they can be profoundly useful in this cult of science that I belong to. Okay. They absolutely can. Thank goodness for it. Thank goodness they found. Who the hell grabbed a gila monster.

[Jonathan Otto]

And so you admit that it's from the venom.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, it's not from. We found it from there. Yeah, but it doesn't contain it. Exactly. There's tons of stuff. There's lots of drugs.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's modeled after it. So here's my thing.

[Jonathan Otto]

This is why lots of cancer coming from it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, that's a whole nother debate. My thing is this. There are things in nature. Okay? Aspirin was from a white willow bark. Who the hell found out that white willow bark had salicylic acid in it? And then they go, well, you know what? We need to make acetylsalicylic acid out of it. Okay? So there's Going to be lots of things in nature and in human that we look and see. That molecule does stuff. Okay. And then we're going to now derive it. Now of course that's where everybody would go. That's where it gets nefarious. Because you know big pharma is going to take that and whatever. Touche. Yes they do. Why? For the consistency and the safety of application. Ozempic does not contain Gila monster venom. It contains a molecule. It's correct. But see that doesn't. That's a problem. Still saying venom.

[Jonathan Otto]

You know what, it's Ed Group or Brian Oz. They know and they, they don't say it. They do say.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, they don't. I've watched your content. Jonathan, all due respect, I'm throwing some shade on theirs. Correct me if I'm wrong. Find it. Here's what I'm saying. I can tell you monster venom also has glucose in it. Holy. So then now what should we do?

[Jonathan Otto]

Just because it's got something good in it doesn't. Doesn't give the issue with all the things that they're bad.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I love you. Yeah, exactly Right. That's what I'm saying.

[Jonathan Otto]

No. Okay, but now let's see.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Or good. Just because it happened, it doesn't mean it was bad or good. It is what it is.

[Jonathan Otto]

As the team in the whole. Yeah. As we know it, babies are consuming the whole form of urine without an extraction.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I gotta get off the baby thing, man.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, let's move on from it. But here, but here's the. Here. But you obviously. I see your point. You see mine?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jonathan Otto]

Cool. Okay, now but the stem cells. Okay, so all right, well then let's do the extraction. Let's do all that. So how much, how much will it cost for 100 million stem cells?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Way too much for it to be feasible for anybody to do it.

[Jonathan Otto]

And so how much?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

A hell If I know.

[Jonathan Otto]

20 grand sound right?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Call it 100 grand. Okay, well too much for it. Have anybody have access.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, so you know, 10 adults get their urine taken, 24 hour urine sample, 20 to 40 year old group, 50 year old group, Wake Forest University came from an NIH grant published in 2022. And then they, they collect the urine, they find one hundred and forty stem.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Cells and then what do they do with those cells?

[Jonathan Otto]

They culture them. They let them in an airtight flask.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Bovine serum.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes, they use a culture medium. Right. But that culture medium, that's how they replicate the stem cells.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because where did they get their nutrients from one quick example, I think you'll appreciate this on stem cells, because this is where I like to go. Woo, woo. Okay, how is it that an egg from a chicken comes out and just sits there? And where does it get everything to make the chicken? All the organs, the feathers, the beak, everything is all up in there. Was in there. But when we take an egg and we put it into a bell chlorometer or we mass spec it, it doesn't have anything there, there's a chicken. Where does it come from? Now, I have my theory, but the thing is, we can all agree that if you took an egg and you ground it all up, mass specked it and found everything that was in it and how much was in it, and then you take that, you take one that was brother and sister. Okay. And then you take one and then you let it grow up. And just before it does it, you let it sacrifice its life for science and you grind up that entire chick and its egg. They're not going to be the same ingredients, but yet they were in one localized thing.

[Jonathan Otto]

Sacrifice for science.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I know, I believe in animal testing. How about that?

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, I know, I understand.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Particularly humans, I don't know. But my point of that is this. A stem cell versus a stem cell in a medium does different things. So that's what I'm trying to say. The Wake Forest study and those kind of things. So yes, urine does contain lots of stem cells, but in order for them to be useful and the benefits from them, they must be pulled out, isolated, counted, purified and cultured properly and then given by a means that the body can use.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, you can't just put them on your face, arguably. Well, like with the baby in the womb. I'm not going back to that for the sake of going back to our other argument, but I'm saying that there we didn't inject a culture medium into the womb to culture the stem cells.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It was the culture, the body was the culture and its intelligence and its godly energy of creation, everything there.

[Jonathan Otto]

And you know, and of the like 5600 small molecule metabolites and. And small. And compounds that have been identified in urine, is it possible that any of them would be a culture medium? And that would explain. Well, you don't know them.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I do. Because you can't.

[Jonathan Otto]

5,600. And there's six ones that have been. I know a few that have not even discovered what they are.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay. In urine. I routinely. Every patient I work with look at 113 of them. And I talked about two of them. But here's what people say. So back to Fig Lu and mma. Those aren't nutrients, okay? They're byproducts of a pathway that's relying upon the nutrient. Those are in the urine. But we don't put those in culture medium. Urine has amino acids. It's got E. Coli, it's got all kinds of things in it. You can't culture stuff in urine because of all the artifacts and everything else. And for all the quantum people that are out there, urine is loaded. That's where we get rid of deuterium. So for all my the quantum biohackers, if you're drinking your urine, you're slugging down all that deuterium bulk water back out, out. It's not exclusion zone water, okay? It's not easy. It is a waste part. I will agree with you. It is ultrafiltrate. 100% correct term. Through the body's intelligence know to get rid of it. Because it's now it's whole energy, its molecular stuff. That is a taking out the trash. Is it dirty? No. Like when my changing babies and they peed on my face. They're like, oh, it's grows, it's tough. Toxic. No.

[Jonathan Otto]

So.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So that part of it needs to go away.

[Jonathan Otto]

So why would God mess up the design so much then? If that's the part where the body's pumping out all its waste with the baby getting all those toxins through the umbilical cord and then it just keeps dumping out the waste through its urine and it cannot even escape.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

We're not talking about babies, we're talking about humans.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, but only the.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Only human adults.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, but that's evading the point of the fact that that environment, it's real time. No, they. I'm saying that they dumped their urine. They're dumping their urine. You agree that it was a urine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That was processed by the mother's organs and immune system?

[Jonathan Otto]

No, but then it goes. Then whatever their body filters out. Remember those toxins that went through the umbilical cord then go out in the urine because that's where it dumps its waste. According to you, that's the mother now it drinks it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, it's not.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, you can't.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's not the same supply.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, you need to see this.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, well then check this out.

[Jonathan Otto]

It's true.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Is every, every water the same?

[Jonathan Otto]

You're talking about?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Hold on. Jonathan, I gotcha.

[Jonathan Otto]

No, water is not Mountain Valley.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Look. So Mountain Valley, Perrier, Saratoga, Evian, whatever. Guess what they all do. We all drink it, we all pee it. It goes into this, into the system, goes out to the ocean, percolates. I live in Florida. We've got all kinds of natural water. People hate me because I recommend, you know, reverse osmosis systems. It wastes a gallon of water to make a water. I go, yeah, thank you. So the thing is, so then all that goes and then guess what happens? Then it goes out sea, and then the sun evaporates it and we have this whole cycle. Oh, we're in the womb of the earth. So what's the context? The context is the water that we have in these bottles, okay? The urine of the planet, okay, is not the same as the urine that's going through the tubes going to the waste management plant. Even though it was peed in, every drop of water that we drink was at one time or not pissed and crapped in by some human on the planet.

[Jonathan Otto]

Wow.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But how cool is this that the earth, its minerals, its microbes, its fungi, all those things still is able to deliver it this way? Some still have bad things in them. So what I'm saying is the context of where it is and how it's delivered is important. So we can't use in utero chemistry to justify grown adult doing stuff.

[Jonathan Otto]

You said something before that was false, which is that there's no enzymes and hormones in fetal urine.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, yeah, there is.

[Jonathan Otto]

You said that before.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, no, no. It has all those in it. Of course it does.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, well, I either misunderstood or you said it and you didn't mean it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, I don't. You might have misunderstood me perfectly, which.

[Jonathan Otto]

Is fine, by the way. I never have gotcha kind of conversations.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, yeah, me neither. I don't have any of that. So my whole thing is, is this. It has that in it. But what I'm saying is, thank God it doesn't have all of mom's toxins, hormones, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, thyroid and everything in it.

[Jonathan Otto]

It does because it goes through the immune system.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Not the same.

[Jonathan Otto]

It's trying to filter it out, but it goes.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Neuroendocrine system is not that of its mothers at all. Not even freaking close.

[Jonathan Otto]

But I'm saying that once they're found in the umbilical cord, it's like there's a tube going into your belly button or your mouth or whatever. And I find it in the tube and then I'm like, oh, no, it's not getting into the baby. It obviously is. It's in the tube that's going straight to the baby, which after the filtration system or whatever it was, it's trying to trap it and it's going to the baby and the baby's dumping.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Some things are. Some things are.

[Jonathan Otto]

The baby's dumping its waste. And so there's a designed for that God has done here, according to you, in the sense that God has no flaws. Well, exactly. And so then why did he also then give you an organ that you used to procreate so you actually put your penis into your wife's vagina, both.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Of which excrete at least twice? Because I have two daughters from my current one.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. And I don't mean to be vulgar. My point is.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, I'm with you. We're all adults.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, exactly. But these are organs that we use to eliminate this waste. And so somehow God decided, you know what? I'm just going to make you procreate through the organ that you use to get rid of all your dirty, crazy, dirty.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Why is such a glorious place so close to the. To, to the back end? I don't understand what a design flaw for that was too. To have to have them right there. I just. I still don't understand it.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, sure, but, but we know that, you know, with. With fecal microbial transplant that there's certain things that. Yeah, and, and even. And people have reported case studies where they're having tremendous success with that and their clinical studies.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, I'm waiting for the biohackers and longevity people to start having summits where they have a bunch of women all come and then they just all swab their stuff and then just. Everybody just put it in their nose so they can get all the beneficial bacteria. Because that's what it gets from the baby, after all. Right. Because the baby needs to come to the birth canal and that's where it gets all his microbes. Well, then if that's the case, then how about we just have Tupperware parties and biohacking conferences where the ladies do their wonderful thing of cultivating those wonderful microbes there that they would give to a baby if they gave it and give it to all of us so we can diversify the microbiome for the same reason. Because it's preposterous and there's no control. You don't know what you're getting. The intelligence of the inside of a mother's womb is baffling. It's unbelievable. Right. So at the end of the day, I. We have to say that that's just not a justification right here. I Want to bring us back to. There's components in the. You in. That are in urine that are useful. Just like.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, case in point, right?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah. That's your urine.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, cool.

[Jonathan Otto]

Anyway, it's not like it's not some weird gimmick.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's just like, no, I'm with you. Yeah. And you could drink it for sure.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. And. And like, I know it's not going to gross you out, so it's not something gross. Things started to pick up a problem to just make things more.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, I love it. Yeah, bring it right here. Bring in camera.

[Jonathan Otto]

Look at me.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'll get close to my face. I don't care. It makes no difference to me. I'm a physician. I've done stuff. So at the end of the day, I acknowledge that in here has stuff that if pulled out, extracted, purified and whatever can be done. In fact, what I'm hoping for is that they take that type of science and go, maybe we can collect a person's own urine fresh, have a service to isolate it, just like we do semen, just like we do women's eggs, and freeze them and then maybe have their stem cells available to them. So when science catches up and they can use those stem cells to do certain things, I think it'd be fabulous. So to me, it's not gross. That's why I'm being so theatrical about it with you, because the ick needs to go away. But the sensationalism and the lack of control and quantification and stuff, that can be reckless. So let me give you a story that I had. That's one of the ones that sticks out for me. There's these little parasites that live in your eyes called Demodex. Are you familiar with what those are? You can probably put them on the subject.

[Jonathan Otto]

All right, I had a patient.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I've actually had two patients that do it. One was a female, one was a male, decades apart, but they wanted to try urine in the eyeballs.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because you would go, well, baby's eyes and the urine and the eyeballs, okay, great. But what happened was because they were like, well, it's anti parasitic or it has this fungal stuff and they put a few drops into theirs. And what it actually did was is it actually made the Demodex proliferate. They grew more so. I mean, so much so you can actually take a thing and you'll. And you can squirt them out like zits. But look up Demodex. People like that, just like it sounds. But so those live in There. Okay, so I've seen patients do that. I've had some of the ones that have also been really bad cases or as I had these same individuals patients. And this is multiple ones, more than I can remember. Less than 20, but a dozen or more. And so they were drinking electrocuted tap water, Kangen machines, the mlm, stuff like that. And so then what was happening is they were drinking that water and then they were drinking their urine from doing that, and they got wrecked. And what I mean by wrecked is we were monitoring all these biomarkers that I looked in their urine. We were trying to see what influence drinking this alkaline water had on people. Now they drank the water and drank their pee. Okay, so it's just like MMs versus nicotine versus the pee.

[Jonathan Otto]

So I mean, it's hard to isolate Phoenix.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's hard to see who it was. But the worst of it was when they were drinking these electrocuted tap waters and then drinking the urine that came from it. Now, we can all speculate because there's so many things in p. Of what it could have been. Could have been the neurochemicals. Could it have been enzymes, amino acids? I don't know.

[Jonathan Otto]

And what was the issue that you said you saw? Like what went wrong with their health?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, so their mitochondrial metabolites were off.

[Jonathan Otto]

More parasites in the eyes.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That was one. So in other words, that was made worse. I've seen countless patients do it on all kinds of skin on the body and stuff like that. No change. Could have been nocebo. Don't know. Because you got some cool stories. I don't know. We weren't doing other therapies with it either. Okay, so then when we look at the urine metabolites, it literally drains their mitochondria. I could literally see their citric isocitric, isovillari. All the different ones that go all the way around. Susanic malic, all the way up to oxoxidate, deranged. That was the one thing. Number two, their lipid peroxides went off the roof. Their melon, daldehyde, mma, Bam. So that's the.

[Jonathan Otto]

And they felt bad. Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah. But they did.

[Jonathan Otto]

Or did.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No one had got cancer or a tumor or anything like that.

[Jonathan Otto]

But fatigue, urine's never been found. Like, the urine derived stem cells, for example, could never form teratomas in. Since they were discovered in 2008. Anyway, so it's interesting.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I know I have. I see. I only speak to what I know.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

To that or not. Because teratomas Are pretty badass. Those are. That's an amazing thing, which is why I take issue with this. When people say this is for cancer or urine for cancer, there's no such thing as cancer. Just like there's no such thing as microphone. There are cancers.

[Jonathan Otto]

Have you ever seen when people, like, do some kind of detox where their markers look worse before they look better?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, of course.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. So I'm just trying to say that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I don't know. See, but what I'm saying is, is there was a direct there, and that's the worst of it. But I've seen. I'm trying to give a real number, so I'm not. So I have integrity because that's my most important thing. More than a thousand patients have drank urine, and we've looked at their markers, and some of them, nothing. No change. Some the markers have changed, and I still don't know because I'm measuring in urine. Was it urine in and it came out and it was a part of it or not? In the functional and integrative space, we use a test. I guarantee you've heard of the Dutch test. It's a dried urine test. Why? Because it's loaded with hormones. Because we can look and see what it's in there. So if we do know that we use urine diagnostically to assess hormones, specifically neurosteroids, all the way from pregnenolone to progesterone to cortisone to cortisol, the waking response, all that stuff. I've done tens of thousands of Dutch tests in my life. Those markers came from the urine that got peed into a glass, dipped the little card, let it dry, sent it to the lab, and they can have all those chemicals in there. So my thing is this. If people are thinking that it's benign or just that it is not potentially harmful, I think that would be a reckless thing for them to do. But I still, even given that drink a slauncha, I don't care. To the point that it supersedes a person's right to choose to do it or not. I'm simply trying to keep people sober in the thought that it's not just benign, that it's always going to give benefit. And without measuring and monitoring and quantifying what it is in you before, during, and after, you're playing with things that can kick off. Okay. So at the end of the day, it's a balanced understanding of the two things. I don't find it ick. I think it's fine. It's not A big deal. You know, it's. It's not. I'm not into the golden showers. I'm not a proponent, but I'm not. Whatever. But at the end of the day we can't be.

[Jonathan Otto]

We can't be clear because I know that that's what everyone says in the comments. Just for the record, R. Kelly jokes aren't funny anymore. Right, because it's not original anymore. You guys got to come up with. With better ones.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Come on.

[Jonathan Otto]

I want to see better insults in the comments. Come on guys. It's not creative enough.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah, do not take a picture and meme this me holding his urine on.

[Jonathan Otto]

My like saying that we want to take the piss out of him or you know, we, you know, R. Kelly should is innocent man then and free R. Kelly.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Isn't it crazy?

[Jonathan Otto]

Those are not funny anymore.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And again, I, I know a lot of my colleagues will talk about the fact that it is just toxic waste. Okay, I can get it. But, but eh. But it's also.

[Jonathan Otto]

It's not that black and white.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It ain't that black and white. And that's what I'm saying. It is complicated, Jonathan. It is. And I don't want to make things complicated, but unfortunately the body is complicated and there's so much I don't know about the body and medicine and physiology. Still, it's what you learn after you know it all that really counts. And so for me, I'm telling you, my clinical experience does not give me any inkling to want to recommend it to anybody.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

At all. Because I've seen bad, I've seen neutral, then I've seen nothing burger.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But nothing of like, wow, I would put that in my Balance protocol toolbox at all.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, no, and that is actually great because you really haven't to me presented anything that would show that this is as dangerous as what people are saying.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

No, I agree. I don't think it's as well. See, I don't know who they are or as dangerous.

[Jonathan Otto]

Everyone that doesn't, you know, like it. I mean it's just like what?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You know, like driving around Vegas, you know, in a rental car. That's dangerous. See, I don't, I don't do any fear mongering stuff. See, that's not, that's not my current stuff. Everybody out there in the infospace says stop eating fish before you see this. Don't do whatever. And you got microplaxes and cutting boards and the linings of the cans and the black utensils and all this stuff. And none of them look at the science. What they do is they go on Reddit and they have their sales and marketing people find out what's trending and they just regurgitate it too. I mean, the black plastic utensil thing is one that cracks me up in science because everybody's like, yeah, all these plastic whatever. And none of them realize that publisher came back and issued a correction and said we were wrong and the numbers were wrong. And so then, now it's not that big deal. See, they don't do that. They keep that content out there because they just love to fear monger people for stuff. I'm not fear mongering urine, but I'm sure as hell not saying it's a panacea.

[Jonathan Otto]

And here's the one thing that I think that is a really important consideration after what has happened over the last few years and what that means, which you and I both agree on this part.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

That. Yeah.

[Jonathan Otto]

That they're, they're, you know, the genie's out of the bottle and there's, there's a huge problem and so many people are suffering, and this is actually the reason why.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

What's the problem?

[Jonathan Otto]

I'm talking about what happened four years ago.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Oh, yes, of course.

[Jonathan Otto]

And then both that thing that people were catching and the thing that people then got bullied into taking.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I don't think anybody caught it, by the way.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, okay.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Or.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. And that's. I'm just trying. Well, exactly. Well, I just want to make sure that this doesn't.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Doesn't get said. I'm with you.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, keep going.

[Sean]

I'm gonna go to the bathroom real quick.

[Jonathan Otto]

And so then. And then. But this, this is the really interesting part to look at. Oh, yeah, it was, it was actually RFK Junior's doctor that gave me a call. It was Dr. Rashi Butar, you know, and he.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Unfortunately, not with us anymore.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, exactly. The late Butar. And he, he explained to me about the urine, and I thought it was really crazy, obviously. And. And that he could be outlandish at times. Yeah. And over the top. And then there was this case where I was trying to help a girl that was injured in the. The SHAISA clinical trial.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I love that.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, thanks. And then. But sadly, I mean, it was really bad. Like, so she was in a wheelchair, her brain was swelling, she was feeding through a tube, and. And her life was just ruined overnight. And. And then all the pain that she was in. And so I had then tried to get the best I knew to help her, and then I was. And so because it was my idea then I was up for about $40,000. And obviously I wanted to find something that would work. And when nothing was working, I just became a little bit more open minded.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And day by day, oftentimes they talk about desperation is oftentimes a mother of invention too. Right. When we do the best we can. I mean, I'm a good old boy from North Carolina, grew up in a single wide trailer out in the sticks of Robinson County. Okay. So we did certain things and I get it. So if somebody wants to pee on something, we got all kinds down there. Where I'm from, they hang bags of Red devil lye by their front door, swear that it keeps the evil spirits out. So my thing is sometimes people will do things out of desperation, want to try something, and then something really cool happens out of it, like a eureka moment, if you will. So I don't doubt that you've had those multiple. Many times that you had, for sure.

[Jonathan Otto]

And yeah, and I, and I appreciate you saying that. And, and so all I can tell you is what I have, have seen and what I've researched and, and, and so, and you know, what I've done on myself and what my friends have done and what the other clinicians I've worked with have done. But my point being with this one is that it was like. So what I noticed was I, then I. And Sean, I think you'll find this interesting. I'd then go to these events where all these people that had had these poisons in their body as a result of getting those things in their body and they were so badly injured. I would, I would be in groups where people were offing themselves, taking, you know, I'm just gonna try to say that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Unaliving themselves.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yes, that's the word. They're unaliving themselves because of the amount of pain that they're in. And, and I would witness these. Because all these people that were, were tremendously sick would stick together.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Otto]

And then I would. And, and then they would go to these events that I would be speaking at and I'd be on tours with people like Dr. Peter McCullough and we would be speaking to all those stores.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I don't get invited to.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, well, look at me. What do you think I'm gonna get invited to after what I've done now?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And because I'm a contrarian, I mean, I refute all their stuff and you know, anyways. But no, I'm with you.

[Jonathan Otto]

And then, and then I noticed then obviously, like you know, giving a Bible reference. It was like the, the woman. And actually I've got an interesting case study like that, but that had the bleeding, menstrual bleeding, and then she's trying to touch the tip of Jesus garment so she could be healed. And but me seeing that too much and that the. But there was no touching of the garment and they weren't healed. And it was the doctors that like, you know, this famous doctor will be able to help it.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

There's endless stories.

[Jonathan Otto]

And then here are the people that have lost their jobs and they can't work anymore. They have no income and so they can't afford anything. And now every solution that we're giving them, and now we're talking about billions of people that had this. Like most of the world, the bigger part of the population of the world that has had this. Now let's say my product, you know, I have some product that's the best thing in the world. I can't reach billions of people. Yeah. And so what if God had it? So that there were solutions. So anyway, I trialed this thought in my mind and then started then saying, okay, well what if it worked? And then first time I drank my urine, I thought I was going to jump off. I thought I felt like I was jumping off a cliff. But I researched it for several months before I did it. Anyway, these were the things that we started to see when, when we would. And these were people that were failing on the other protocols. And I won't mention the names of the doctors, but the most famous protocols for reversing these injuries I never seen and has still to this day, I've never seen like case studies where there have been complete reversals without not saying necessarily without using urine therapy. But often I, they were not employing regenerative therapies. And if I'm right about the stem cell aspect, which they're certainly there and they're immediately there in fresh urine and, and, and then the absorption, all these things, we could debate on that. But it, it is tapping into regenerative therapy. But these were the things that we started to see. Okay, so this was this woman, but see nothing.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Stem cell will apply there. Stem cells don't work topically on an injured site like that doesn. Especially not in the presence of all the other stuff.

[Jonathan Otto]

Mostly I would say that when people have an immediate reaction, like for example, the next one I'll show you is a woman that had heart palpitations every day since the intervention that was put into it the first day she drank her Urine was the last day she had heart palpitations. That's got nothing to do with stem cells. They don't work that quickly. What is that?

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, you get no stem cells by swallowing.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, well, we could debate that. But you can't prove it and I can't prove it. Okay, you can't show me that anyway. But my point being that the babies are doing it that way. And then there's the rectal delivery and then there's putting it straight in the bloodstream. And I showed you me putting it topically in the dermis.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But they're not isolated stem cells. It's everything in the urine.

[Jonathan Otto]

And for me, I'm not making the biggest claim around urine stem cells. This is what it's all about. To me. It's about dhea. It's about it. It. The stem cells are there in the, in the, in the fresh form. They're in the aged form either with a culture medium. I, I'm working to try to get that proved so that we can show it can be done without a culture medium, which would then show that it, you know, has a digestion.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But even then, you're gonna, you're gonna have to, you're gonna account for the microbes. You're gonna have to remove those.

[Sean]

I did look up on ChatGPT. Can you get stem cells by swallowing urine?

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Says no. Stomach acid destroys cells.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Not a chance.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Digestion.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And can I prove it? Because I've done it. Have I? Because you know what the cornerstone of scientific method is, is observation. Have I looked in the stomach and seen it? No.

[Sean]

Scroll up.

[Jonathan Otto]

Exactly. Scroll up and let's just see what proof they're using. Like, because. Yeah, there's nothing there that still says like. Here's how we know that that happens. It's a theory. It's saying the stomach acid breaks it down.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well, there's certain.

[Jonathan Otto]

But then the other one would be rectal delivery, which is. Is. Which is aged urine. Like three week old urine is strong. So I actually would take a 30 mil syringe and then inject that suppository into the rectum.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay.

[Jonathan Otto]

And then the argument around the stomach acid then is negated. And if I was right, the stem cells are in there, but you're able to get.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You're assuming that the stem cells. Something you definitely can't.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, there's all these that need to be proven. And so I'm not trying to prove.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm not wearing any of stem cells. Stem cell technology theory, anybody? Major corporations, billions trends or whatever, patients, whatever. Have they ever cultured them or delivered them by giving people to let them swallow them through their stomach or putting them into fecal matter? That's not gonna happen.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, I'm not putting into fecal matter.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm saying you are just picking up your rectum.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, you're putting.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It ain't clean. Did you saline it out? Did you do a flea? Did you do anything? Do you do any prep work before you stick them in there?

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, the point is that's already in your body. And the point is that to absorb it and. But anyway, I'm saying. Yes, I know.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Listen, I work with military special forces. They call it a ranger enema. There's a danger in here. And they stick water up their butt and turn them. It's crazy. So listen, there's a. Listen, the rectum absorbs things.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, well, exactly.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

So I'm with you on that.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, exactly. And so. And if we could prove the stem cells were there. What we're doing is we're basically giving something that only the richest of the rich could afford. And if it is regenerative. And these are real case studies, these are people I could call right now.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

And just say, that's not a case study, Jonathan.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, it's an anecdotal case study. That's exactly what it is.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

You didn't have any control and you're. You're a treat.

[Jonathan Otto]

I didn't say it's a clinical trial. I didn't say it's a double bottom, remember? This is definitely a case study.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

My. All minor case studies too.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, exactly.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

My point is this is.

[Jonathan Otto]

Can you agree that this is a case study? Yes, yes, thank you.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But I'm talking about when we do on terms, I don't say minor case studies. So. So just to clear words are clumsy tools. So, okay, your case study of taking.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Her urine and someone else's.

[Jonathan Otto]

Your urine, Hers. Okay. Put it like she put it, by the way, so just so people know this. So she put it on in a female pad. And we're obviously going to put that up on. On screen sheet.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Otto]

And then soak that onto her face. This was the soul therapy that she was using. She went from £80 to 140 back to. She went from £140 down to £80, then went back to her weight. But you'll see what's going on inside her body. This was after she got a tetanus thing and then she then got the. Caught the thing that went around a few years ago gotcha and so that combination, she believes is what created this, this storm in her body. And then the thing that she used to turn that around was her urine. And, and so here's, this is an example. And then these were other examples. Like this was the woman here that she was having the heart palpitations every day. So she was bleeding 16 days a month. Yeah, well, this, which started three hours after a second Scheisser shot. And, and then that meant that, you know, she was heart attack risk. She was having these heart palpitations so severe felt like her heart was beating out of her chest.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

It's a great marketing narrative, Jonathan. I.

[Jonathan Otto]

It's a real case study. And she had no hope and she didn't have money.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Here's the problem I have with you.

[Jonathan Otto]

Then the case study drank her urine and got better. That's what happened.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Nope. Okay. And I'm not saying none of that happened, but in a case study, there's a lot more information in the chart. And in the case that also happened, none of that is presented.

[Jonathan Otto]

But you're not even then going to pursue that. And then by the way, she's saying, look, my hair is soft and it used to be brittle and to the bottom of my feet aren't chapped anymore.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

This is why you as a sales and marketing filmmaker are phenomenal. Because you are eliciting emotions. And I bet you if you put the audio on, you set it to amazingly, you know, involving music and the hugs and the shot and action. And cut. I get it. But mine is not as sexy as that.

[Jonathan Otto]

And you know that. That doesn't discredit it. It just.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm not trying to discredit it. Not trying to discredit it. What I'm trying to explain though is it puts a neuro linguistic programming into a person to give more credence than what is being offered. That's it. When we present case studies, we talk about case history, history of present illness. We go through soap notes, we do this. What is this? What is it? There's so much more to it. You have no independent data of systems before or after to know what was even attributing it to.

[Jonathan Otto]

We do have the lab reports before and after.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Well then here's what's funny. Here's what just came to me. We're talking about babies now. I'm going back to babies. But let's go to the thing we off kids.

[Jonathan Otto]

I thought you wanted to get off that one.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

I'm off babies. We're going to adolescents.

[Jonathan Otto]

Okay, great.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

But isn't it funny that this baby's urine, that they were drinking for nine months over and over and over, now when they pee it on their groin, it causes them to break out and causes a rash. So here we are using urine for rashes, but a baby's urine causes it a rash.

[Jonathan Otto]

So you're talking about a child peeing on their leg and it causing a rash inside.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Whether. And I've seen it in cloth, organic. And it happens. Right. So here's my point. I'm being a little facetious, but it just kind of occurred to me. I'm like, listen, if we're talking about urine doing something top topically, like on the lady's case, isn't it interesting and ironic that a baby's own urine, that it was swallowing and drinking and peeing and circulating now outside of the body, can cause its skin to have eruptions that are painful? Why? Because of context. Guess what? Because it ain't the same damn urine. It's because now it's drinking mom's breast milk or formula, and then now that urine is different.

[Jonathan Otto]

Well, what I would. Well, I would say that one. You're using that as universal, right? Because I've never had that happen to my children.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Countless babies and babies. And babies.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, well, I, you know, I've never seen that.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

All mine were all breastfed and I made my own formula. Matter of fact, I got canceled on Tick tock for showing people how to make their own formula.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah. And. And so like, and then why is it that. And I remember the question at the start there, like, I've seen all these things which we were talking about, and all these, like, really chronic cases. And I have seen like, like on occasions, very rare occasions, some small rashes. I have seen that. But I've also seen the same urine. Take it away. I've seen. And I, I've often, I often, you know, for me, I think it is the other things attached to it. Because, you know, we had our, you know, babies and Pampers every night and they never had that and they were soaking in it all night. Right. So there's just other things, right? Yeah, Context over at my wife. But I'm just saying that it's not, it's not black and black and white.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Like, it's complicated.

[Jonathan Otto]

And here's, here's Josephine Walsh. So she was. Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, but like, you.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Know, I knew we were gonna bring cases. I'd have brought some cases.

[Jonathan Otto]

Oh, cool. Yeah, it's like, look, so these were all the reactions after pins and needles, sensation in the stabbing in the head. Low energy through the day. And again, like, she. She. She had tried, like, a lot of things and a lot of money invested. A lot of these people have lost their whole life savings. Episodes of gasping for air, chest pain.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, now, did she come to you for those things?

[Jonathan Otto]

She. She just watched something that I produced, and then she.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

When did she perform? Did she stay home?

[Jonathan Otto]

She did this from home. Yeah.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Okay, cool.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, she did this by herself from home watching.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Yeah. I'm always asking questions because environment also matters.

[Jonathan Otto]

Yeah, she.

[Dr. Anthony G. Beck]

Because you know what? Those are great stories. The problem is, is that people have the same stories about other things. Okay. And some of the common things are. Is like. Like, for instance, people go, well, why is it that I can go to Italy and I can eat all.

[Sean]

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