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Dr. William James Exposes Why The Black Community Is In Serious Trouble | DSH #2095
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Is the Black community moving forward, or are old systems and new distractions keeping people stuck? In this Digital Social Hour episode, Sean Kelly sits down with Dr. William James to discuss his book Black Supremacy, the Black family, slavery, reparations, education, politics, feminism, LGBTQ movements, crime statistics, accountability, racism, and why he believes the Black community needs a new direction. Dr. James argues that the Black community has been damaged by white supremacy, broken family structures, political distraction, poor education, drug abuse, and cultural division. He also explains why he believes progress starts inside the household, with stronger families, better health, financial literacy, accountability, and a return to shared values. The conversation also gets into the KKK, reparations, Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, O.J. Simpson, George Floyd, slavery history, systemic racism, education reform, police hiring, the GI Bill, redlining, and why Dr. James belie...
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Do you see the trajectory going in the right direction right now for the black community?
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B
No.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah. And I'm afraid that the black community will never get out of the hole we've been put in.
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A
What about Carmela?
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B
Carmelo Anthony?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Not guilty.
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A
Stop it. Are you serious?
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B
Not guilty.
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A
You're serious?
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B
I'm very serious. We know the KKK is still around.
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A
What's their size these days? You think they're pretty sizable? Yes.
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B
I still think they're the politicians, doctors, lawyers.
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A
Really?
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B
Yes.
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A
Do you think they blended in that much now?
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B
Yes. Foreign.
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A
William James, here, author of this book right here. Black Supremacy. Check out the book, guys. What's the book about?
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B
Black supremacy is about the oppression of black people, but also the success of black people. So I talk about black people specifically in the Americas. The oppression we face before, during and after slavery, but also the success and the contributions that we made to society before, during, and after slavery.
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A
Nice. Where would you say black people are right now overall, compared to history?
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B
Historically, we're not at our best.
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A
Really?
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B
No, we're not at our best. We're not. Where we've been, I think we've allowed other movements and agendas to distract us and take away from our progression. Okay. And I talk about that in the book. You know, we've had the modern feminist movement. We've had the LGBTQIA movement. We've had these democratic and liberal movements get in the way of, you know, our thought process and things that we hold sacred and that we find to be true, take away from our values. We've had distractions with music, drugs. Some things, you know, were political and, you know, the government had a hand in it. But then there's certain things that, you know, we just gotta own up on our own. And I talk about that in the book as well. You know, I give, I provide solutions. I don't believe in just talking about problems without being solution oriented. So I talk about, you know, the household. Everything starts with the household. The black family. Nuclear family. Black woman and child. Black man. Black woman and child. I talk about financial literacy. I talk about drug abuse, staying away from drugs. I talk about people who are idle during their leisure time and they're not doing anything. I talk about how detrimental it is to just loiter around. I don't believe in black men doing that. You know how sometimes they stand around stores or something like that, for sure. Doing nothing. Cause I've seen that in my neighborhood where I get up, I go to work for eight, nine hours, and I see people standing in front of a store, and when I return, they're still doing that.
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A
Damn.
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B
Like, what were you doing during that timeframe? Like, you could be doing something to contribute to society, to contribute to your community, to your family, even if you're just studying. Like, I spend time studying. That's why I'm informed, and I know what I know. So those are part of the solutions. Our health, what we eat, our diet, people not exercising, taking their health seriously, not getting checkups, those are all solutions that we can make in the black community to allow us to thrive and do better.
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A
Do you see the trajectory going in the right direction right now for the black community?
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B
No.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah. And I'm afraid that the black community will never get out of the hole we've been put in.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah. So white supremacy did a number on us. And it's hard now because we're at odds about so many things. Like, we're not a monolith, but we should be a monolith on certain topics. But I think when it comes to lgbtqia, we have to be on the same page. Like, it's detrimental in our community to look at a black boy and say, that black boy can identify as a girl, and now he's a girl. Because one of the things that they wanted to do during slavery was emasculate the black man. So I don't support black male emasculation. I don't support black woman masculation. Like the modern feminist movement, these are things that we're not on the same page about, and we have to be on the same page about as a whole, if we want to move in the right direction. We can't have a tug of war with some of these topics. You know, when people talk about, you know, drug usage, I'm against, you know, drug usage, I'm against. I don't abuse. I don't drink. I don't smoke at all. So there's some people that they think vaping is okay. They think smoking marijuana is okay. I'm against it.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah. And I'm often at odds, even with some females about it. Like, they say, oh, well, you know, I just do it to help with my anxiety. Or I do it before I go to bed. And I'm like, would you do it while you're pregnant? And they say, no. I'm like, so you would stop for nine months? More than nine months. Because you're not going to smoke around a newborn, are you? You're not going to go outside and smoke and bring that smell inside with you around a newborn, all are you. They say no. So if you can stop for, let's say 12, 15 months, then you can stop doing it. It's not necessary for you to do so. Why do it? So it's just certain things, even when we talk about relationships, we're not on. On the same page with. Regarding relationships. That's why I talk about relationships, because I say everything starts with the black family. How do we get to the black family if we can't even agree with relationships? On simple things like gender roles, who should be doing what? Should. Should the woman work? Should the woman not work? How much does she have to contribute? Should she contribute? It's just some simple things that we're not on the same page about. You got this whole movement. The woman think that. Well, I don't even think they really believe that, but they say that they believe that they can, you know, oh, my body count shouldn't matter and stuff like that. And the men are telling you it matters. So it's just simple things like that. We have to be on the same page with these things or we, we're not going to go anywhere.
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A
Do you prefer your woman not to work?
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B
Yes, I prefer my woman not to work because it's just certain things like child rearing. You would prefer. I would prefer the mother of my child to be watching my children. We see all of these crazy things happening in daycares and schools. If my wife is at home, you know, raising my children, mentoring my children, I know that they're safe. I know that she's not taking advantage of them. She's not pinching them, punching them, you know, doing things to harm them when I'm not around. She's the mother, you know, and I chose a sane person. So I would prefer the person that I'm, you know, living with and raising children, children with, to raise my children as some stranger. And I think that's the problem. Too many people rely on strangers to raise their children. And then when things go wrong, they don't know where it came from. Yeah, but you are in present and you don't know that your child was touched. And that's why they acting weird and that's why they act weird when certain people are around or things like that.
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A
I think, you know, I'm actually with you on that. I just don't know on a mass scale if most people can pull that off with the economics.
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B
Yeah. So if the people can't pull it off, then you can't pull it off. Like throughout history you know, we've always had women working, and I think that that was. That's where some people come in. They're like, oh, well, you know, back in the 40s and 50s, you know, women didn't have to. That's not true. They worked then, too. They still did their duties, though, as women. They would work, and then they would still come home and cook and clean and take care of the household, because they know primarily that the man was the breadwinner, even though they both worked. And they know that the man had manly duties, like fixing the car, being a protector, doing yard work, doing different things that the man was going to do. So they did the woman duties, and that wasn't a problem. But they worked too, because that's the way the economy was set up then, especially in the black community. So, yeah, the economy is messed up right now. A lot of people. The average income is around 48,000. So that means two people have to work. But that's another thing that I say. People need to practice financial literacy. And if you have two people making 48,000 as their gross income and then say their net income is 30,000, 35,000, that's 60 to $70,000 annually in that household. So depending on where you live and your rent, that person 67,000 combined, that's around 5 to 5,500amonth. You're not that doing that badly. Depending on where you live and depending on your rent, if you're strategic about when you have children. So if you have children, no money in the bank with that income, then you put yourself in a hole. You're gonna have to rely on the government. But if you save properly prior to that, and you're working together, you know, you can make it work, but you just gotta be strategic about it.
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A
Yeah. Doesn't seem like that's. I think there's some crazy stats on how many people are living paycheck to paycheck. I don't wanna misquote it, but I think it's about 50% or something.
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B
Yeah, I saw. Yeah, I've seen some crazy data recently, but it's just a part of certain things within the black community, certain stigmas and certain things that people look at. Like, there's one of the things in the black community is. And I was talking about it with my brother the other day, it's like this idea that you gotta push your kids out of the house quickly. I see that in the black community, but I don't see that in other communities. It's like you're 18, you're 20, 21. It's like, all right, now go out and live on your own. And the person's not prepared to live on their own. Especially when they don't have any financial literacy, they don't have any money. Why are they moving out so early? Like, that's something you need to plan for. Otherwise you're gonna have to move back in when you're 27, 28, 30, whatever age. This person doesn't have a career yet. They don't make enough money to live on their own. Why are you forcing them to live on their own? And then people make fun of people and it's a negative thing if the person's at home and you're 25, 26. But what do you want them to do? Do you want them to be living out of their car? What do you expect them to be doing? What job do you expect them to have? They have to build a career. It's not realistic. It's. People are looking at like streamers and rap artists and stuff like that. The average person, what are you doing at 21, 22, like, you know, you're probably working a retail job or something like that. You're not making enough to live on your own and have a quality of life to still have, you know, a gym membership, take care of your health, eat healthy foods. It's like, it's, it's not making sense to move out that early. So it's certain things like that that are plaguing people financially. I, I would want to see people say, hey, save money for your child before you send them out into the world. Hey, I'm sending you out with 10 or $15,000. Go get an apartment. This will take care of your rent for the first three or four months you have a job, you maintain it, something like that. And wait until they at least finish college or finish trade school or something to where they have an idea where their career is going to go before they move out. Things like that will set us up in a better space rather than, okay, I'm 18, I'm 21, I want to move out because I don't like my parents rules and I want to do whatever I want to do. Or your parents are saying, all right, you're 18, you're 21 now. Like, yeah, it's time for you to go. Like, that makes no sense. Yeah, like I believe in plans and I believe in structure.
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A
That's what my dad wanted to do with me. So like, instead of paying for Rutgers, where I went he was like, yo, I'll just give you 20k a year, go get a job and figure it out.
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B
He would give you 20k a year?
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A
Yeah, because that's a tuition cost.
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B
So. But you wouldn't be going to school.
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A
No, he said drop out. I'd rather just give you the money instead of pursuing a degree or you're majoring there. I tried to do marketing but I couldn't get into the business school at Rutgers.
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B
He didn't want you to go to trade school?
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A
He probably would have actually. It just wasn't an option because I'm
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B
just like you figured out working. But what would be your.
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A
He wanted me to become a bartender in Florida. He wanted me to move down to Florida and figure it out. I didn't do it.
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B
But he must be wealthy to be able to give you 20k a year.
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A
He was a self made 9 to 5 millionaire. Saved his money. Right.
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B
And he saw finances for you with you being a bartender.
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A
I don't know if that was the end goal. He just wanted me to start there and figure it out. I think some bartenders make decent money.
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B
Yeah. The real pretty ones. The real pretty ones who get extra tips because they're beautiful and they maybe have, you know, a nice body or. Yeah, maybe it's been enhanced surgically.
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A
Those probably girls probably make way more.
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B
I'm pretty sure they've done studies on it.
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A
Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me but that was, that was on the table. I didn't take it.
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B
Oh yeah. Because I'm real curious though.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like if I, like if I had a father who was a millionaire, I would just follow his plan as to how did he become a millionaire. Like I'm just going to do what you did.
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A
He took too long. I wanted to become a millionaire quicker. He worked it through a nine. He got to that status through a nine to five and then saving money. Oh, took him 20 years.
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B
Isn't that what Mark Cuban did?
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A
No, I thought he sold the company.
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B
What company did he sell? I thought he was like working on like ice cream trucks or something like that.
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A
Mark Cuban? No, he sold the company to Yahoo. I think he sold Broadcast.com to Yahoo. I don't know what he did before that though.
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B
How long did it take him?
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A
Probably a while. But he started the company. That's different than working for a company.
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B
I don't know. But I've. Because I've seen parents do both. Like, hey, I'll give you 20k a year as long as you're in school. I've seen parents do that. I've seen parents when I was in school, because I was going to go to law school.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I've seen parents say, hey, you go to law school, like, they choose the career for their kid. Like, as long as you're in law school, I give you 20k a year.
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A
I can see that.
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B
When you finish, I'll give you a bonus. Or you want to go be a doctor. You know, you're in school, I'll give you 20k a year. When you finish, I'll give you a bonus.
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A
That's what Shaq did.
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B
Yeah. So I've seen that. But I've never seen, like, yo, don't go to school at all. Don't go to pick up a trade, nothing. And I'm going to pay you.
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A
I might have been a little spoiled. I don't know.
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B
Unless. Did he teach you financial literacy?
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A
Not directly, but he ran a book business on the side.
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B
He sold books online because, like, my family, at one point, they. We had a real estate business.
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A
Yeah.
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Where we would, you know, we would sell. We would purchase houses and then rent them out, stuff like that. And it was lucrative. My older cousin and my father was a silent partner in it, so he got extra money through that. But my father was a maintenance worker. My father and my mother.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah. They were maintenance workers.
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A
Humble beginnings.
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B
I come from humble beginnings. I always say that. I come from humble beginnings. They had really low salaries, but my father, he made smart decisions like that with real estate.
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A
So you got a full ride to college, then?
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B
No, I went to cheap colleges.
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A
Community.
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B
I went to Nassau Community College, and I got my associate's degree in criminal justice. I went to York College as CUNY as cheap. And I got my bachelor's in political science. Then I went to Queens College, and I got a dual master's in secondary ed and history. And then I went to St. John's that's expensive.
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A
Dang.
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B
When I got my doctorate in educational leadership.
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A
That's a lot of education.
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B
Yeah, five degrees.
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A
Holy crap. So you think it was worth it?
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B
Well, I was lucky. I got my loans forgiven.
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A
Oh, okay. Obama or who did that?
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B
Mine was under Trump.
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A
Okay. So you got to give Trump some flowers there.
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B
It was already in place to where you could get your loans forgiven.
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A
So someone set it up before I was already. So Biden set it up, and then
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B
I don't remember which one of them set it up.
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A
Okay.
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B
But, you know, loans forgiven is a thing right now.
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A
So how do you feel about that? Yeah.
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B
Hell, yeah. If I didn't get my loans forgiven, I would owe around 150,000.
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A
Yeah. Because the interest. Right.
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B
Yeah.
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A
When I had Charlie Kirk on, he did not want loans forgiven.
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B
He wanted, like, it to be a penalty. Like, hey.
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A
Well, he thinks college is a scam.
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B
I mean, I would have loved to have debated him on that. Like, to the point where it's. To a degree, I understand it, but it depends on what you're majoring in.
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A
Agree.
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B
Medical doctors. And are they not going to go to school?
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A
Yeah, I would say for doctors, lawyers, engineers, like maybe a couple other professions, it makes sense.
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B
Yeah. So, like, is it a scam for the person who's doing heart surgery?
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A
Like, no.
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B
Like, what about business, though? Even to a degree, with business I like, I think you can learn certain things in. In a college, in a business class from the right professors. So it depends on. It also depends on which school, the quality of professors. You know, certain things. Like you go to certain schools. Like, who was it? I think it was Swiss Beats. He was enrolled in, like, a business program at Harvard. And he was like, yo, just to get in the program, you gotta have like, a certain amount of millions and stuff like that. So, okay, certain. Like, certain things like that. You can see, like, the quality of it. Even with political science, I think it was Stanford. Like, Condoleezza Rice was like, one of the professors. So then, like, you're getting an education in politics from someone who served in the government at, you know, that high.
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Yeah.
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So I could see it.
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A
I would say it's a rarity.
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B
That's like, if, you know, you go to college, you go to law school and, you know, it's the 90s and Johnnie Cochran's one of your attorneys.
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Like, yeah.
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B
Professors, like, well, that's one of the
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A
things I actually like about college is the networking and the alumni status you get with it.
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B
Yeah. So I would have said the quality of it is what matters. And it depends on what you're majoring in. Certain, like, if you're studying frog science and that's just a scam.
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A
Yeah.
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Why are you picking up all of those bills just for frog science? What are you going to do with that?
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A
Right.
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Like, you're just going to be a professor in frog science.
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A
Well, there's some crazy stats on what percentage of degrees are being used for their current job. It's really alarming.
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B
So to a degree, he had a point. And even with. When I used to watch his debates with the college students, I was like, they're proving his point. Cause he didn't go to college. Like, even though that they were young, he was picking on like younger people who weren't as developed as he was and stuff like that. I would have loved to sit down with him. And I reached out to his whole team a bunch of times. Cause there's certain things I would have obliterated him on.
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A
Like what?
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B
Racism. Like, you think he was racist? He would have. Got it. He was actually racist, yeah.
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A
Wow. I did not get that.
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B
He got caught red handed in racism.
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A
Really?
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B
There's a clip of someone asking him like, oh, how do you feel about George Zimmerman? And he was like, oh, he was not guilty. He got found not guilty by jury Spears. And then the person asked him about like, George Floyd. No, not George Floyd. The person asked him about O.J. simpson and he was like, oh, O.J. simpson was guilty. Contradiction.
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A
Well, okay, O.J. a lot of people think O.J. was guilty, though.
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B
He wasn't.
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A
You don't think he was?
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B
Well, for one to stay on par with what he said, he got found not guilty by Jerry Vers Spears.
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A
He did.
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B
That's number one. So just if you say, oh, George Jimmy, he's not guilty. He got found out guilty by Jerry Rape Pierce. That's the same thing that happened with O.J. simpson. Okay, so how can you then say O.J. simpson is guilty if you're not racist? Just so happens that O.J. simpson is black. So now you want to say guilty even though he got found not guilty by Joe Rose Pierce. That's a contradiction. Okay, so, and if you look at the evidence in the O.J. simpson case, the evidence says O.J. simpson wasn't guilty. Have you ever looked at that timeline?
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A
The only thing I know from it is the glove thing. I was too young for this.
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B
If you look at that timeline, it says he's innocent. Like that little one little scratch that he had on his finger. You don't like that doesn't come up to like brutally murdering two people the way he did. And then as bloody as that crime scene was, he got right in his car, went home. And when I was in la, I like to do my own investigations. I had a car, a rental I drove from.
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A
Damn, you were all in on this.
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B
I drove from the crime scene to where he lived at the time. And I'm like, all right, this takes around 8 to 10 minutes. So it takes him that long. He didn't take long to come downstairs. He had a limousine waiting for him. Cause he was catching a flight. So he comes downstairs. You know, they said the scratch on his finger. That. Oh, that's from it. There's no blood in the staircase. There's no blood all over his room. He had no time to clean up. A limousine was waiting for him. So his house should have been pretty bloody. If he stepped all over a bloody crime scene. And then when you look at the. They found blood in the sock first. If you look at the first video camera from the crime scene, the sock isn't there. Then all of a sudden, it's there. Then when they tested the blood from the sock, it had a chemical that comes from a lab in the blood which hints that someone planted it.
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A
Really? Yeah.
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B
Wow. And then it just so happened. The same racist cop who found the glove at the crime scene finds the glove with no one around at his house. It was just too much. Like, everything just became overwhelming. Then the same cop gets on the stand and he pleads the fifth to. Oh, did you plant any evidence? I plead the fifth. Like, come on. Like, this is ridiculous. You remember that, right?
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A
No, I'm too young for this case. I only know the car chase and the glove. That's all I know.
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B
Oh, see, people gotta examine that evidence. When you look at the case, if I would have been sitting on that jury, I would've been, like, not guilty. And I literally would have believed he's not guilty.
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A
Wow.
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B
Like, the evidence is saying, like, he's not guilty.
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A
Okay, what about Carmelo?
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B
Carmelo Anthony?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Not guilty.
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A
Stop it. You serious?
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B
Not guilty.
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A
You're serious?
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B
I'm very serious. So when we. There was a physiologist who created. I think his name is Walton, who came up with the theory. He's from. He was a Harvard professor in 1915. He came up with the theory for fight or flight. You've heard of fight or flight? So Carmela Anthony was in a situation of fight or flight.
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A
How do they prove that, though?
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B
Huh?
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A
How would they prove that, though?
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B
From the evidence. So with fight or flight, it's. And when you analyze the physiologist's theory and his whole concept and the research, when you are. When a confrontation goes from verbal to physical, now you're in fight or flight.
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A
Okay?
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B
So when Austin Metcalfe put his hands on him, it was fight or flight. And that can change. Like, your decision making and everything you have. No, you can make. So he made a real quick response. You saw the video.
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I didn't.
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He made a real quick response. It was just like that. Once his hands was on him, pushing down on him. So it was a real quick response. At that moment, it was the fight or flight became real to him. So I see people saying, like, oh, why didn't Carmelo Anthony leave the tent if he was afraid? Sometimes you're not afraid until someone touches you. So saying, oh, he had opportunity to leave. Had opportunity to leave. If he was afraid, when he got touched, he became afraid. Then it became real fight or flight. And in that moment, instead of running, because he probably felt he couldn't run because a much bigger person has their arms around him. You know, Austin Metcalfe was around 6'1,215, and Carmelo Anthony's 5'8,135. That's a significant difference in size. So at that moment, he just did a quick stab. And if you see the video footage, Austin Metcalfe is standing over him. He's seated on bench. He stays seated the entire time. He does a quick stab motion, gets the guy off him. He backs up into the bleachers, drops the knife, and then runs down the bleachers diagonally, and he runs off. So it was a moment of fight or flight where he was afraid. Quick stab motion, not thinking about anything, and then runs off. He stabbed him one time. So when people act like as if he's this guilty, he's this murderer, one time doesn't indicate murder. That indicates self defense. Not that like, not murder because he could have stabbed him multiple times. It's not like when Austin Metcalfe grabbed them and pushed him, he backed off, he grabbed them and was around him, and then he went like this. So if he would have pushed away and we would see Carmelo Anthony chasing him or anything like that, then we could say he's guilty. But the evidence doesn't say he's guilty. The evidence shows me that Carmela Anthony walked past three tents. So he didn't just go sit on any random tent. There was a kid, Eddie Pera, who was a friend of his girlfriend's, who said, hey, come to our tent. So he goes sit in the guy's tent. We know from witness testimony he was under that tent for like eight to 10 minutes before the Metcalfe brothers come under the tent. No one said he was causing trouble under the tent. He didn't curse at anyone under the tent. Before, you know, the Metcalfe brothers come. He didn't try to steal anything. He's sitting there minding his business. They come sit under the tent. Then. Now it's an issue. What are you doing here? Who are you? Why couldn't they have just been welcoming to him? You Know it's raining out. Hey, yo. Yo, what's up, man? Yo, my name's Austin. My name's Hunter. Yo, it's cool you chilling with us. What was the problem?
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Damn.
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Like, do you think they would have tried to remove Carmelo Anthony from that tent? If Carmella Anthony was six'6,260?
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Probably not.
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So that just points to bullying. Like, we know that people pick on people who are smaller in stature and things like that. If he would have been a 6'5,260 kid who's throwing shot put and he's at the track and field event to throw shot put. He's an offensive lineman for a football team. All of a sudden, they would have been more inviting under that tent. Like, oh, who's this big guy? Yo, nice to meet you. My name's Austin. My name's Hunter. But because he's a smaller kid, smaller in stature, he's an easy target. Hey, man, get the heck from under our tent. Now it's an issue. So it's situations like that. Then I want to know how the world will respond to all the people saying that. Like, oh, you know, he brought a knife to a fist fight. You can't stab someone when they push or shove or stuff like that.
- [25:36]
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They say he escalated it.
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B
Yeah. How would people respond if Carmelo Anthony was a white girl? Do you think people would be saying, she shouldn't have stabbed him, he just pushed her shovel?
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No, not for a white girl.
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B
You see? So white girl, you gotta protect the white girl. But because he's a black boy who's smaller in stature, knows he's weaker. Now it's a. Now it's a problem that he's defending himself, and we see the same thing. There was a similar case in Texas with Cyrus Allison. I know you heard of that case.
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A
I actually haven't.
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B
2022, this. This kid, Cyrus Allison, he stabs a kid in Texas in the bathroom at school. He got 10 years. They had a fight in the bathroom. He lowers his kid into the bathroom. They have a fight. He stabs the kid. He gets 10 years.
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The kid didn't die.
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B
The kid died.
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A
Oh, he died.
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B
The kid died.
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A
So how do you only get 10 years?
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B
Exactly. They gave him. The jury found him guilty of a lesser charge of aggravated assault.
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A
Huh.
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B
So there's always the lesser charge for non black people.
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A
Oh, he was white.
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B
Yeah, he was white.
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A
He killed.
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B
No, he killed Hispanic kid.
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A
Oh, okay.
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B
So kid, he stabbed. He stabbed him multiple times.
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A
He probably just had better lawyers.
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B
He could have.
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A
That's what I think it is.
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B
We not even gonna talk? We gonna talk about Carmel Anthony's lawyer next. But there's another kid, Alec Adamson, he shot a guy in Texas, Daniel Pleasant. Now, Daniel Pleasant was black. He shot this guy. Daniel Pleasant, the victim was black, and Alec Adamson was white. He shot this guy multiple times. And they said it was a drug deal gone wrong. The guy got found guilty of a lesser charge as well. He got four years and he killed him. He killed him.
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A
Damn. Four years for killing someone.
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B
He got four years. And they credited him with time served. Two years.
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So they got the self defense.
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B
So he was no.
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A
What was it?
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B
Well, he got a lesser charge as well of one of those assaults.
- [27:42]
A
Wow.
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B
And he could have got sentenced up to 20 years and got sentenced to four.
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A
Do you think it's a race thing with the courts?
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B
It's definitely a race thing. This is documented. This is documented. When the accused is black, they get sentenced to more time. You could check on deathpenalty.org, you could check FBI statistics. This is a fact that black people get sentenced to more time than white people and other non black people. We get sentenced to more time, and when the victim is black, the person gets less time.
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A
Do you think it's a generational thing that we have this inherent racism and trauma within us?
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B
I'll give you a judge. You can look this up. Judge Sherwood Bauer. Judge Sherwood Bauer Jr. In Florida. He went viral for his sentencing. How disproportionate. He sentences black people to white people. There was a case where they had two people who had the exact same rap sheet, same age, they both committed a robbery, and there was a white kid. So when they score people, they give them on a score sheet, like, oh, do you have any felonies, misdemeanors? Apples to apples? These two people had the same exact thing. The only difference is one was white, one was black. He gave one. He gave the white guy for robbery. Two years. How much time do you think the black guy got?
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A
You're making it seem like a lot. So.
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15, 26.
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A
Geez. 13x.
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B
You can look this up.
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A
I mean, I'm not. I'm not shocked.
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B
Judge Shura Bauer Jr. In Florida went viral for. He does this all the time. And in several cases like this.
- [29:13]
A
Well, that generation was more racist.
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B
Do you think it's going to keep this generation?
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A
No, our older generation. My dad, my grandfather.
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B
But I'm talking about now.
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A
Well, he was an older judge, right? No, no.
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B
This is. We're talking about I think the case that we're referring to, that I'm referring to now was 2008.
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A
But how old was the judge, though? Was he old?
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B
I think he was in his 50s, 60s.
- [29:34]
A
Yeah. That generation was more racist, I think. Hey, my dad used to drop the N word, bro. His dad.
- [29:41]
B
Well, that's the funny part because when did it change with me?
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A
I've never said it.
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B
Well, there was people throughout the 1800s and 1900s who were abolitionists and they weren't racist. There were white people who were helpful.
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A
So you're saying they weren't as racist in the 1800s?
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B
No, I'm saying you said it stopped with you. You're one white person right here.
- [30:03]
A
I think it's getting better. Either people are hiding it more. They're hiding it more, or it's getting better.
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B
I would think they're hiding it more.
- [30:11]
A
So you think people are still super racist?
- [30:13]
B
Yeah, I know people say super racist, and that's according to data.
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A
I think It's a low IQ.
- [30:18]
B
It's the funny thing, in 2006, the FBI say, said law enforcement. The FBI, they said law enforcement has become infiltrated by white supremacists.
- [30:29]
A
Really?
- [30:29]
B
The FBI in 2006? People can fact check this. This is known. In 2006, the FBI said law enforcement has become infiltrated with white supremacists. When were they not infiltrated by white supremacists?
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A
The FBI?
- [30:43]
B
No. When was law enforcement not infiltrated by white supremacists?
- [30:47]
A
That's a good question.
- [30:47]
B
To be honest, the Ku Klux Klan came around in 1866. We all know that. The Ku Klux Klan was overrun with politicians, law enforcement, all of that. The Ku Klux Klan still exists. Those people, when they take off their capes, take off their masks, those people are police, doctors, politicians. It's been overrun with. Infiltrated with white supremacists, so to say. Oh, in 2006. Yeah, it's been infiltrated. So it wasn't in the. In 1920s, 1930s, like Herbert Hoover. He was a racist.
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A
Herbert? The President.
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B
Am I thinking the right person?
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A
I think that was right.
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B
Which. The one. The FBI director.
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A
Comey?
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B
No, the one who founded it. The one who started.
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A
I don't know.
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B
One who initiated cointelpro.
- [31:39]
A
I don't know who founded it.
- [31:40]
B
Yeah. So they were all racist. They were racist then. These people. And the Ku Klux Klan is like. It's interesting. So did you know that the Ku Klux Klan was founded from the idea of a fraternity?
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A
I didn't.
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B
Yeah. So they got the idea from a fraternity. It was called Kuos was the fraternity, and kuklos means circle in Greek. So they got that idea from a fraternity at a college, and they was like, we're going to start, you know, the Ku Klux Klan. And they started the Ku Klux Klan, you know, in what year?
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What year?
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B
1866.
- [32:18]
A
Really?
- [32:18]
B
Yeah. So we get the Emancipation Proclamation in 1865. Juneteenth. In 1865, black people get alerted to, you know, their freedom in Texas, which not all black people were aware of that, and I'll talk about that, too. But then in 1866, directly after that, we get the Ku Klux Klan.
- [32:37]
A
Hmm.
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B
And, you know, they're wearing the white sheets. And you know why they wore the white sheets?
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A
Why?
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B
They said that it was to mimic Confederate ghosts.
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A
Interesting.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know your history.
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B
Yeah. And then they know black people are real spiritual people, so they're like, oh, if they see us coming, and, you know, they think a ghost, it's more scarier. So things like that. And even the Ku Klux Klan had different factions, so they had different parts of the Ku Klux Klan. So they had a division of the Ku Klux Klan that was called Nighthawks. The job of the Nighthawks was to find affluent black people who had, like, money and status and research them and then kill them.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Holy shit.
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B
Kill them or try to bribe them.
- [33:17]
A
Wow.
- [33:17]
B
Whichever one would work. If they could get you to work against your own people and you would go willingly, then they would do that. Otherwise, they would kill you.
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A
Damn. Nighthawks.
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B
Nighthawks.
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A
Are they still around?
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B
Ku Klux Klux.
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A
No, Nighthawks.
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B
I mean, I'm pretty sure they still kept all of their traditions. We know the KKK is still around.
- [33:36]
A
Wow. What's their size these days? You think they're pretty sizable? Yes.
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B
I still think they're the politicians, doctors, lawyers.
- [33:43]
A
Really?
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B
Yes.
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A
You think they blended in that much now?
- [33:45]
B
Yes.
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A
Wow.
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B
They just hide it. They're not going to come out with their clan mask and, you know, Bohemian Grove, but they're just going to have the ideologies. They're going to go to their secret meetings, and then they're going to find ways to implement it in their everyday life. You know, they're going to be the people that nail on your neck for nine and a half minutes.
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A
George Floyd. Damn. Yeah.
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B
I don't got to say I'm a racist. My actions will display it.
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A
You know, actions speak louder than movies.
- [34:13]
B
You heard about. You heard about Rakim Carter?
- [34:16]
A
No.
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B
Rakim Carter. In 2022 in Mississippi. You haven't heard about that case?
- [34:22]
A
No.
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B
This is a black guy who's 25 years old. He was getting chased by a white mob, and he went to a police station, and he was like, yo, I'm getting chased by this white mob. I need help. They was like, yo, what do you mean? We don't see anyone. Obviously they're not going to follow you to the police station. He was like, yo, I got to go, like, 30 miles. Can you guys drive me? They were like, no, that's out of our jurisdiction. So this guy leaves. He goes to, like, a store. He acts to, like, charge his phone. He sends his mom, like, his last location, and she's, like, coming to get him or whatever. For some reason, he left the store. They picked up his. His body. A figure of him in the woods. Like, this hunter had, like, a camera in the woods. You know how people have those?
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A
Yeah.
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B
So that was the last time he was seen. He's shirtless. He's walking in the woods. He got found, like, a week or so later dead with. He was decapitated. And, geez, I think they said his genitals was in his mouth.
- [35:16]
A
What the.
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B
Where was rules at? Mississippi2022 Mississippi. And they ruled it, like, no foul play, white.
- [35:23]
A
So they're in. The police officers, too. Then.
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B
Then they were like. They were saying, like, oh, the animals could have did it.
- [35:28]
A
No way.
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B
Because his body parts was getting found in different parts of the woods. The animals could have did it. Well, my question is, well, how did he die? Did an animal kill him, then they dismembered him? Or was. Did someone kill him? Then he got dismembered. Yeah, that's like, how did he get killed? Like, that doesn't make sense. He was walking in the woods and. And gets found. Rakim. Carter.
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A
Damn.
- [35:50]
B
Then people go out there, they're marching, making a big deal about it. Someone wrote on the ground, rakim, life mattered. Do you know that the Sheriff power washed it up and posted. Oh, just, just, just, just some cleanup.
- [36:04]
A
That's crazy.
- [36:07]
B
Fact check everything I'm saying.
- [36:09]
A
No, I believe it.
- [36:10]
B
No. Mississippi audience.
- [36:12]
A
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Mississippi.
- [36:13]
B
This is. This is for. See, but you saying it makes sense because it's Mississippi South. They have a racist history. Yeah, but we're talking modern time. Shouldn't it have changed?
- [36:26]
A
I believe in generational drama, man.
- [36:28]
B
I do, too. And I. That's what I'm saying. If you're saying, oh, you know, these. The older generation people usually mimic how they're raised.
- [36:38]
A
Yep.
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B
So if you're raised by someone who's a KKK member, it's hard for you to just get that out of your brain. It was beat over your head. Oh, they're inferior. It's hard for you to get rid of it.
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A
Subconscious mind. It's 80% of our actions.
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B
Like, it's like. And that's another thing I want to talk about. So when we talk about slavery and it was like, oh, Juneteenth, they found out that they were free. Do you know that slavery continued in America into the 1960s?
- [37:05]
A
Really?
- [37:06]
B
You ever heard of May Louise Miller?
- [37:08]
A
No.
- [37:08]
B
May Louise Miller. They did a movie on her called Alice. Kiki Palmer played May Louise Miller. This is a woman who was born in the 1940s. My father's older than her.
- [37:19]
A
Wow.
- [37:20]
B
She was born in the 1940s. She was a slave until 1963.
- [37:23]
A
What?
- [37:23]
B
She didn't know she was free? Her family didn't know she was. Didn't know they were free. She was a slave in Mississippi. Interesting. Yeah. She just died, I think, in, like, 2014.
- [37:35]
A
Holy crap.
- [37:37]
B
So she didn't know. She didn't know she was free. They raised their family. They raised them like slaves. She got beat. They had to eat leftovers from her owner's house. She talks about how her uncle was forced to dig his own grave. Then they told him, you could. You could look her up. This is. She's on YouTube in modern time. She was talking about her uncle was forced to dig his own grave. They told him, throw up the shovel. They shot him dead in the grave and then buried him.
- [38:03]
A
Holy crap.
- [38:04]
B
It's fucked up. 1963.
- [38:06]
A
Yeah. That's one generation.
- [38:07]
B
In the movie, Alice describes it because no one told them they raised them and they would keep them. They had something called peonage where they would say, like, oh, you have to work off this bounty, this amount of money. You got to work it off. We own you. You can't leave things like that. And you have people who are just offering some property, working on some plantation, not knowing about their rights in the 1960s. May Louise Miller. That's the most famous case.
- [38:32]
A
So did you experience racism growing up?
- [38:34]
B
Yeah. Yeah. You can't be. You mean did I know the level of racism I was experiencing? The education system is racist.
- [38:42]
A
Explain.
- [38:43]
B
So, for example, there's been studies done by James Banks. Who else? Pierre Christian Slater. Dr. William James. Dr. William Dion James.
- [39:01]
A
You've done your own study?
- [39:02]
B
Well, my dissertation was black and white 11th and 12th grade students. Perception of social studies curricula in New York state public schools. And I went over the social studies curriculum, and I had students. I had 300 students do a survey. And I had a panel of four history teachers look at my survey instrument. Because I had a survey instrument. I had 28 questions. I got it from Dr. Christopher Martell. He's a white professor at Boston University. He did his own study. His findings were the same. He did his with middle school students. I did mine with high school students. That is predominantly Eurocentric. The curriculum, Kids don't learn enough about black history. They don't learn about other cultures. I had a panel of four history teachers review my panel to make sure it was valid. And I had two white people, two black people say that this survey is valid. Historians, where they have been teaching history for 30 years, stuff like that. Because people don't know the process of a dissertation and things you got to go through. You have to go through certain steps to make sure that your research is valid. Your survey instruments, the amount of participants you have. Like, I had 300 participants. I had to have around 300 participants. Otherwise, your sample size is not big enough. You know, you can't survey the world, but you have to have a decent enough sample size to collect data. So I had 300 participants. I had the panel of historians review my survey instrument that he had already used. So I had to get his permission to use it. So I emailed him, got his permission to use it. Then I used it, and I went into the schools, and they just by the answers of their own questions, it supported the data, supported the research that they're not learning enough about black history that is predominantly Eurocentric. They know a lot of information that's from a Eurocentric standpoint, but not a black standpoint. They don't know enough about black history. Some of them don't even know basic stuff about the civil rights movement. Some of them didn't even know who Rosa Parks was.
- [41:01]
A
That's crazy.
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B
And you're talking about in America. That's crazy. I know history teachers that I went to school with. One of the people I went to school with, he went to private school. So then now we're in getting our masters together in history. He didn't know who Rosa Parks was.
- [41:16]
A
That's crazy.
- [41:18]
B
But he knew he could tell me a lot about European history, but he couldn't tell me a lot about black history. It's like, it's so many things to just unpack with it. So you got Dr. Gloria Lassen Billings. She's done research with this. There's so many people who have done research with this. The research is out there. So the curriculum is racially biased when you look at history. And if I break it down and I speak to people, this is why people don't know what they're talking about with stuff. So a lot of times people. When we get into the reparations argument, people don't even know why the Civil War was fought. It wasn't fought over slavery, really. No.
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A
That's what I was taught.
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B
You were taught that? So were you taught that? Do you know about Abraham Lincoln's letter to Horace Greeley?
- [42:05]
A
No.
- [42:06]
B
So Abraham wrote a letter to Horace Greeley in 1862, an open letter, a public letter, saying, if I could keep the Union together and keep all slaves in slavery, I would do it.
- [42:18]
A
Really? Yeah, because he's known as the president for ending slavery.
- [42:21]
B
So he said that to Horace Greeley, open letter in 1862, if I could keep all slaves in slavery and keep the Union together, I would do it. It was more so about economics, politics, and democracy. So he didn't want it to where, like, if a country, not a country, a state gets upset, oh, we could just succeed and we could just separate at any time. Then we wouldn't have any democracy. We're not under one banner. Like, oh, if Texas, if Nevada gets angry with what they're doing in New York and stuff like that. Oh, we're not dealing with America anymore. We're separate. We're our own country. We're our own nation. He didn't want that. He didn't want that to fall on him. So he was like, no way. So that was one thing. That's the democratic way. Then politics. It's like, how would it look if any state gets mad or these states band together and they can separate and then they form their own rules? And how would that look? Then you look at the economics, the money. Let's say Nevada got angry, we're gonna separate from America. Where's all the money that's made in
- [43:23]
A
Nevada going, if they separate?
- [43:26]
B
Yeah. Then it's not. America doesn't get it. We don't get the taxes. We don't get all of these casinos and stuff like that. They don't get it. It's like, no, we need that money. We want that money. All the imports, exports, we want that. So it's those three things that really made it to where it's like, look, these states want to succeed from the Union. We can't have that happen? It wasn't about slavery. If he clearly said, hey, if I could keep the Union together and keep the slaves in slavery, I would do it.
- [43:52]
A
Wow.
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B
He said that? So he's the commander in chief. He decides whether we go to war or not. So if he said that, then how can you say, oh, it was about slavery? I think my argument holds more weight with what I just supported.
- [44:04]
A
Yeah, you're arguing from a business, economic point of view.
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B
So those are the things. It connected because the south had slaves, more slaves than the Union. So it connects. You're like, oh, it's about slavery. And the slaves ended up getting free after that. So you're like, oh, it's about slavery. But when you look at the facts and the fact that he said, hey, if I could keep them in slavery, I would.
- [44:25]
A
I just think history is always going to be taught from a biased point of view.
- [44:29]
B
And why doesn't anyone talk about how Abraham Lincoln gave white slave owners reparations?
- [44:34]
A
He gave the land stuff, right?
- [44:36]
B
He gave them money.
- [44:38]
A
Really?
- [44:38]
B
Yeah. He gave them money. Huh? He wrote a bill in 1863 to give them money for them losing. Losing their property.
- [44:48]
A
Interesting.
- [44:49]
B
But then the people who were set free from slavery didn't get any money.
- [44:53]
A
So you're not a Lincoln fan?
- [44:54]
B
No, I'm not a fan of any president.
- [44:57]
A
Really? That's a statement right there.
- [44:59]
B
Yeah.
- [44:59]
A
Any president.
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B
Any president?
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George Washington?
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No. Are you crazy? The one who had slaves. Teeth in his mouth and stuff like that? Like, come on, man. Slave owner Obama? No.
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Wow.
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Obama was. That's what I'm saying. He was too LGBTQIA centered. I don't. If you piss me off with one of your ideologies, I'm pissed off.
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But no.
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What are you doing? Huh?
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No. No. President's going to. You're going to agree with everything, though.
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I just don't. Just don't piss me off, though. Like, the LGBTQIA was a movement strategically put in place to override the black community. And they admit. I know. So this is a fact.
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We're in Pride Month right now.
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B
Huh?
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A
It's Pride Month.
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B
See? Think about that. What month is this? What was June 19th?
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That's when slaves got freed, right?
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B
Okay, so this month should be Black Pride Month, not Pride Month.
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A
We already have a Black History Month.
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B
Black History Month.
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A
Can't get two months. Come on now. You already got Black History Month. There's no White Month.
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B
You're kidding me.
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A
I'm trolling you.
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B
Yeah, I know, but that's the thing. Why is this Month. Pride month.
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June. Why would they choose June? Do you think it's because of June 19th?
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No, they chose this month because of June 28th. You know, it was June 28th.
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No.
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So they chose this month because of June the 28th. Stonewall.
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Stonewall.
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You know, Stonewall.
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No.
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So I'm gonna break this all down after I break down how they stole our movement. So the LGBTQIA movement in America was started. They give credit to two people. They gave credit to Harry Hay and Barbara Giddings. Yeah, Harry Hay and Barbara Giddings. You could look them up. 1969, their movement becomes stronger. That's when they start their movement. This is after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. In 1968. So after we. That sort of brings an end to the civil rights movement, so to speak. Malcolm X is assassinated. Dr. King is assassinated. The two faces of the civil rights movement have been eliminated. Now here in comes Harry Hay and Barbara Giddings. They said out of their own mouth. The civil rights movement taught us how to fight for our rights. We saw how to organize. We saw how to get picket signs, get out there and march, organize, come together, boycott the Montgomery bus boycott. We learned how we could have strength and numbers and unification coming together. We learned from their movement how to do things. Then that movement started to, you know, flourish. They made a black person the face of the Stonewall riot in 1968. Marsha P. Johnson, a black guy who. They said he was just a gay black guy who was, you know, an escort, a hooker, and all of that. They said that he was trans. He wasn't trans.
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A
Wow. In 68, they said that?
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Yeah, but he wasn't. There's. There's no proof of that. He was a cross dresser, but he wasn't trans. There's a significant difference, you know, so they said that he was trans. They make him the face of Stonewall, saying that he started the Stonewall riots. So the Stonewall riots was at a gay club in New York City where they allegedly got tired of their oppression and tired of all of the things that was happening to the gay community because they were tired of being harassed. So someone, the story goes, someone threw a cocktail and, you know, they burned down Stonewall and they were rioting against the police and all of that. And, oh, that's the start of, you know, gay rights and gay liberation. And it became this big thing that was all based off a lie. Marshall P. Johnson said out of his own mouth that he wasn't even there when it started. He said, you can look up the interview. He said out of his own mouth. He didn't throw the cocktail. He wasn't even there yet. But they made him the face so that they could do what they call intersectionality. You know about intersectionality?
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I've heard of intersectionality, where they could
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tie in different oppressed groups together to fight together. So they bring in a black person with lgbtqia. Oh, we're stronger now. He said his own mouth. He wasn't even there. So that's number one. Number two, they don't tell you that Stonewall was owned by the Mafia.
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Which Mafia?
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The Italian mafia.
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A
Really?
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Yeah. Just like all, There were several gay nightclubs in New York city in the 1960s and 1970s that were owned by the Mafia. They had another gay nightclub called the 10th of Always, which was owned by the Italian Mafia. They had another gay nightclub called Kooky's K O O K Y S owned by the Italian Mafia.
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Damn, they love those gay night clubs.
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So these clubs were watered down. Alcohol, prostitution, drugs, all types of criminal activity going on in here, which is why the police were going in there so much. Not because it was gay people. But they don't tell you that, because it sounds more appealing if we just say, hey, they're harassing us because, you know, it's a gay nightclub. No, it's owned by the Mafia sons. They don't tell you that part of history. So that starts that whole movement. It goes big. Now you forget all about black rights after that. And that's why I say you can't do both. You can't do intersectionality. You're black first. You have to fight for black rights first. So a lot of gay black people don't want to get on one page. A lot of lesbians don't want to get on one page. They're like, oh, I'm lesbian and I'm black, or I'm gay and I'm black. No, you're black, and you should be fighting for black rights before anything, even from a martial arts standpoint. I'm a martial artist. I teach martial arts. You would want to fight one person at a time. If you have to fight two people, you wouldn't want to fight two people at one time. Your chances at defeating the enemy is better if you fight one person at one time. So it doesn't make sense to say, hey, I'm going to fight for both. We haven't finished fighting for one, so it doesn't make any sense.
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You're mad at the movement because it's distracting from the bigger picture. Yeah, got it.
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B
And it doesn't make sense. Yeah, it also doesn't make sense.
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A
Why do you think Obama pushes so hard? You think he was paid off or something?
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B
Yeah, he's. Those are the people with power. So they always go with people who have power, whether it's economics, political power. If you want to be pushed, hey, we'll push you forward. We're going to support you as the Democrats if you agree to go with this agenda, hey, I want to be the first black president. I'll go with it. You know, stuff like that.
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So you're not going to vote for Michelle if she runs?
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B
Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I wouldn't vote for any of these people.
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A
You don't vote, right?
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B
No, I vote.
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A
Oh, you do?
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B
Yeah, I vote for myself.
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A
Oh, Billy Carson does that, too.
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Yeah. So it's like, that's a way to kill people's argument. So it's like, oh, don't say anything if you didn't vote. All right, I voted. Like, you can't tell me who to vote for. You can't tell me I have to vote for one of the parties, one of the dominant parties. And a lot of people aren't even. That's what I say. A lot of people aren't even politically sound. They don't even know how many people are running for president at a time. A lot of people will tell you, oh, I know the two presidents. I know all about them. I'm like, how many people ran for president the last election? And they always get it wrong.
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How many.
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How many people were on the sec, the election commission? How many people were on it? They won't know. It's like 1200.
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A
That's a lot.
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Yeah, but they don't know that. I'm like, I'm a person who really looks into it, and they're like, oh, well, I don't see the point. Those people aren't going to win. Yeah, those people aren't going to win because you're not going to look into them and you're not going to vote for them. You're going to vote for the two people who. Who have the most money, who are behind the two strongest parties that they put in your face. So that's why we can't get anywhere. If you continue to vote for one of the two, then they know they have a hold on you. So which one is smarter, like, to continue to vote the same way we've been voting for forever, or switch it up? And people think, oh, well, I have people say, to me when I talk to them about this. Oh, Dr. James, man, if you vote that way, man, it's like giving your vote to the other side, man. Cause you know that one of those gonna win. I'm like, no, you're stupid. If everyone thinks, like, I was like, my vote is for who I vote for. It's giving it to that. That's what I'm doing. It's not giving it to the other side. It's who I voted for. You choosing to give your vote to one or two is literally giving your vote to one of the two without having any promises that they're going to do something that's going to serve you. So that doesn't make any sense. But the photo is the lgbtq. It doesn't make sense. Especially the trans part.
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Yeah, the trans stuff. I can't rock with the trans stuff.
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B
That makes no sense. It literally makes no sense.
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A
I don't like it.
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So when you are saying that a man can be a woman, a woman can be a man, and then they play the whole semantics games with the. The gender and sex thing. So what's the difference? Like, if we look at the terms, woman is an adult human, female, female and male are sex terms, woman and man are gender terms. But if you look at the definition, it's the same thing, only difference is age. So if I say girl, I'm talking about an adolescent female. If I say woman, talking about an adult female, if I say boy, adolescent male, say man, adult male. Unless I'm talking about mankind. So it doesn't make sense. We know what we're talking about here, so let's not play games. You can't change those. A male is a man, a man is a man, can't be a woman. I don't care what you identify as, you're just not that. And then if you look at the DSM 5, the diagnostic statistics manual, if you go to page 466 in the DSM 5, I have a DSM 5. I'm a bit of a nerd with this stuff. I study this stuff, but it's also to support my arguments. 100% of the time. 100% of the time, it says something like 60 to 100%. 100% of the time, trans women are attracted to males.
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Trans woman.
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So that's a man.
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A
That's man. That white female.
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B
No, no. Yeah, that's what they say. A man who identifies as a woman
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and they're attracted to males, so they're just gay.
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Exactly. So that's all it is. And my. The way I see it is that's transphobic because that person. Or not transphobic, that's homophobic because that person doesn't want to be identified as gay. So now if they say I'm trans, they can be identified as heterosexual.
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A
Wow, It's a loophole.
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So I'm like, that's a homophobic stance. To just be a man who's attracted to woman. I mean, a man who's attracted to men. And then say, well, I identify as a woman. I'm not gay. Yeah, you are gay, so just be gay.
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Like, I wonder how many of these gay people were programmed to be gay. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah.
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Through all the social conditioning and the
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movies and the TV shows and they say, like, oh, well, I didn't choose this. My whole thing is. I don't know why people think it has to be a long, drawn out process. Somehow people think it has to be a long, drawn out process. I don't know why people don't think it could be one experience. It could be you seeing one or two things that could at a young early age where you think, oh, that's appealing. While you're a sponge and you're able to soak things up and you absorb things and people tell you, oh, yeah, it's okay. And you see certain things and you see these cartoons or you maybe see two people in your real life or someone touches this person and now it's like, oh, it doesn't have to be some long, drawn out.
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I agree. Disney, I think, announced 25% of their characters have to be LGBTQ a few years ago. I don't know if they stuck with that, but I remember when we were growing up, that wasn't. There was no gay people in the. In the movies and the shows.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's a whole agenda now.
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A
Yeah, it's crazy. Now I can't even really watch it.
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And it's worse on the black community. They've always. Yes. They've always had an agenda on us in the black community. They've always had the agenda pushed more on the black community. What?
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A
That's true. I don't know.
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B
You ever heard of the movie? There was a movie in, like, 1993. It was called. You ready for the title?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Gay Niggers from Outer Space.
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Oh, my God. We gotta censor that. But that's funny.
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Why do we gotta censor that? That's what it was called. Gay N Words From Outer Space was the movie and in the movie, they show these guys coming from outer space. It was a short film. I think it was shot over in Europe somewhere. And then they distributed in America briefly. But it was called Gay N Words From Outer Space. They got these dudes coming from outer space and they're, like, getting rid of all the women, turning men gay.
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A
That's wild.
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And it's called Gay N Words From Outer Space. So you watched that going on and ever throughout history. Like we said during slavery, we had. They had bug breaking. You know about bug breaking?
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Heard of it.
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Where they would take the biggest, strongest male.
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Right, right, right.
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Molest them in front of everyone in order to dehumanize.
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Yeah.
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And to say, look, if we could do this to the strongest of you, we could do this to all of you. There was always black male emasculation to make us less masculine. And they said. One of the reasons they said that they would do this is it would reduce the chances of the rebellion. It would take the warrior spirit out of the men. So to kill their spirit.
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A
I could see that argument.
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Yeah. The strongest of the men are going to be your strong heterosexual men.
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A
Yeah.
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That's what we see with all of the uprisings. Gabriel Prosser, John Horse, Denmark Vesey, Nat Turner. These are strong men. They all had things in common. All of them were pastors.
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You religious?
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Depends on you.
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Keep it private or.
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I mean. I mean, I'm a Israelite. People know that. But I don't know. We look at it as, you know, a part of our history. So it's not just religious, you know, it's, you know, up for grabs. We really look at it. We're following our history. The lineage that was passed down, that's part of our culture and who we are. But just that just points to their beliefs and how they carried themselves. Denmark, Vessi was free for 30 years before he let a slave rebellion. And a lot of people don't know that. He was free when he let his.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah. Huh. He bought his freedom, you know. He bought his freedom. Oh, he won the lottery, actually. Yeah.
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He won the lottery.
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B
Yeah. He won the lottery.
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A
Holy crap.
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B
They let slaves play lotto?
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That's nuts. What a story.
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Won the lottery and he paid for his. He paid for his freedom. He won like, 600 and he paid. He bought his freedom.
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Damn.
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And then he was free for 30 years. And it takes a lot out of you. It takes a lot to be able to say, like, look, I'm free, but my people are still in chains and I'm pissed You know, so he was like 25 when he bought his freedom. And he was like 55 when he led his slave rebellion.
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A
Wow.
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But he just was around and, you know, he had the respect of the community, too, because people were snitching on him for a while before he got caught.
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What were they snitching on him for?
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Trying to lead a rebellion.
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A
Really?
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Yeah, it was people. That's what happened. That's how all the rebellions got foiled.
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Even mlk.
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B
Who?
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Mlk. Well, he didn't lead a rebellion in a way, right, or. No.
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I mean, he got snitched on, too. Cointelpro had infiltrated every black organization. They had people spying on him and,
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oh, he got spied on. Did you see the MLK files?
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Yeah.
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A
He was having orgies.
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B
Blackmailing them.
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A
Well, he was having orgies and shit.
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Yeah, they were blackmailing him, though. They used to give him phone calls and stuff like that. Say, hey, stop or we're gonna release this. Stop or we're gonna release. So they had all of that recorded and stuff like that. And they used to blackmail him until they killed him.
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You know, that makes sense. But.
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But yeah, during. Just like. That's why Denmark Messi is one of my heroes. Like, because, like, he was free and he could have just, you know, took the easy route and just said, you know what? Hey, I'm just gonna. I'm chill.
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Yeah.
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He said, no, you know, my people still aren't free. They're still going through a hell of a. That's time to do something about it. But they snitched on them. Yeah, but. Yeah, that's just what they did. And then they lie. They lie about everything that took place. They lie about everything that took place during slavery. I'm tired of these people with these arguments about, like, oh, well, what about the black slave owners and all of this stuff that they come out. Do you know how much they've lied about black slave owners and how people are disingenuous with the argument when it comes to black slave owners? So they don't tell you that. A lot of these black slave owners were mulattoes. A lot of these black slave owners, they're mixed. Those are mixed people. So a lot of these black slave owners had white fathers.
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A
Got it?
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Or white mothers. Usually a white father. One of the most famous black slave owners, black slave owners, who this points to is William Ellison. He was mixed. He had a white father. But they list him as a black slave owner.
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A
So you don't consider him mixed black.
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I Mean, do they? Should we consider mixed black as an Israelite? As an Israelite, we look at what your father is. We look at the lineage of your father. But if you go by Mendel's Law. Mendel's law says one drop of black blood means you're black. So it depends on how you're looking at it. But my whole thing is when it fits their argument, they want to utilize it. So now, okay, these are black slave owners. Even though this guy had a white father who was a slave owner and the black woman and he was comfortable enough to pass down his lineage to his son who was mixed, shouldn't that be listed as a mixed slave owner?
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So that I could see? What about the Africans that sold the slaves?
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B
Well, that's different. That was tribal warfare.
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A
What do you mean?
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B
That was in Africa. And Africa, on the coast of West Africa, was tribal warfare. It was different tribes. So you had Nigerians, you had people who were Fulani, Wolof, Igbo, you know, Yoruba. You had different tribes in Africa who were not always getting along. They were in conflict. So when they would fight each other, they would take people as prisoners of war, as captives.
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A
Okay, so they're still in prison.
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When you got Europeans coming to the west coast of Africa, like Henry the navigator, he was, like, the first one to come from Europe in, like, 1444. You say, look, yo, you got anything to give me, I'll buy it for you. You got. Oh, who's that right there? I see that guy working. I'll take him from you. Sure he's for sale. He ain't family. He's a prisoner of war. He's from another tribe. Yeah, how much you got to give me for him? And then they sell off prisoners of war. So it's a different. When it's someone that's a prisoner of war, they were fighting each other. Tribal warfare, different tribes. People think that everyone in Africa that was in Africa is the same. There's 52 countries in Africa, and there's. Even within one country, you'll find hundreds of different dialects, different languages and things like that being spoken. Different people, they have different culture and customs. It was the same back then. These people didn't get along. Tribal warfare. Warfare. If we would have been getting along and you come to Europe, I mean, you come to Africa from Europe saying, hey, I want to take, you know, some of your people with me. You wouldn't have made it back. You would have died. People gotta think it doesn't make sense. So they weren't Getting along. They sold prisons of war from a different tribe, which was wrong. Which is how my people got here. Well, some of my people, some of us got here differently. But so we get here and that's another thing. People be like, oh, go get reparations from Africa. I'm like, that's stupid. Because we're talking about the slave labor that was done here and wasn't reconciled. Nothing was done to fix that. We're talking about the crime in America. So that's something different. You know, us getting here is a crime in itself. Kidnapping, taking us over here, snatching us, that's wrong. But the crime here for hundreds of years, the slave labor that took place, that built America, we're talking about that. Yeah, those people who are my ancestors, who. We never got anything for it. Our people never got anything for it. So who did? Who, who's the benefit from it? You talk about generational trauma those people went through. Being beat, lynched, separated from family members, watching castrations, watching people be burned alive. All of these different things. They got no psychological, you know, therapy or anything for it. Just, oh, it's Juneteenth, it's 1865, we're going to let you go. Then following that, we get some people like Mae Louise Miller, didn't know she was freed. Then we get Jim Crow, we go through a bunch of lynchings, still being humiliated. Emmett Till. Jesse Lee. Not Jesse Lee, Jesse Washington. You know about Jesse Washington?
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No.
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So just to show you how bad it was after slavery ended, Jesse Washington in Waco, Texas in 1916. This is a 17 year old kid who couldn't read. They charged him with the r Pe and murder of a white lady on a plantation. He didn't do it. They know he didn't do it. A white guy had did it. They framed him for it. Then he had an all white jury, mind you, he couldn't read. They had him sign Miranda rights and sign a statement and he couldn't read or write. So other than his name, he couldn't write.
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Yeah.
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So they have him sign it. He goes through a trial with an all white jury. Juries were segregated at the time. So usually you either got an all white or black jury. In this case, he gives us an all white jury. They find him guilty. A mob snatches him out of the courtroom right on the spot. Don't even wait for him to get sentenced to anything. They take him outside, they castrate him, cut off his nose, they cut off his ears.
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A
What?
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B
They hang him over a barn fire, they burn him for over an hour.
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A
Jeez.
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He tries to crawl up. Every time he tries to crawl up the chain and get away from the fire, they cut off a finger. They cut up his body. They sell his body parts for souvenirs. They made postcards and sold those. That was in 1916.
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A
Holy shit.
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B
So this is after so called slavery. And then we know what happened with Emmett Till and other people. So Emmett Till, the family was so afraid. Again, my father's older than Emmett Till. So when people act like these things are so long ago, my father's older than Emmett Till would have been. So the family was so afraid, they let these two white men come in the house at night and snatch up a 14 year old boy. And they said like, yo, we just thought they were gonna beat him up. Like that would have been good enough. But that just goes to show how afraid they were at the time. It was still so bad that they like, hey, if they're just gonna beat him up, that's okay. Like this people got some nerve. But that's two books to look at. There's a book by Michael Johnson called Black Slave Masters. And then there's John H. Calloway, he has the black Slave Owners where he talks about how a lot of the so called black slave owners were mixed. And a lot of times they made them. They will give it to the woman, they would give it to women who were mixed because they just wanted them to be in power over these black males. So the more of the divide and conquer interest about that. I did a breakdown of that.
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A
Okay, we'll link those books.
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B
Those are two, two sources.
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A
What would reparations look like for you? What would satisfy you?
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B
Reparations? Looks like, it looks like money. It has to look like finances. Because I think that they could find loopholes with everything else. Like if they did it centered around institutions, then they would say, well, we can't just allow black people access to these institutions. That's not legal. That's not right. So I wouldn't want any of the trickery. So I would want them to give us finances. Like they've done it several times. They did it for the Jewish, they did it for Native Americans. They did it for, for.
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A
Oh, they did it for natives. I didn't know that.
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B
Yeah, they did. They gave a lot of Americans. They gave them money, they gave them casinos.
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A
Casinos.
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B
Yeah, they gave them different things.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Even if you're in, I believe it's Michigan, if you're Native American, you go to college for free.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah. Okay, so they Gave them different forms of reparations with us. They could give us finances. Everyone acts like it's such a big deal, but like I said, they get. They had the Marshall Plan that was rolled out by George Marshall following World War II. The Marshall Plan gave $15 billion towards restoring. Rebuilding Europe after World War II. American dollars, taxpayer dollars from America. We didn't destroy Europe. We helped. We helped the Jewish people in Germany. You know, we destroyed Japan. You know, we know what happened with that. But, you know, we had two atomic bombs on Japan, you know, with funny names like Little Boy and Fat Man. But that's also after they broke a treaty with us.
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Japan.
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Yeah. We had a peace treaty with them, and they broke it.
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They attacked us.
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Yeah. We attached it to one of the bombs. Oh, really? Yeah. We had a medal that was like a part of the peace treaty and we sent it back to them.
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A
Wow. I didn't know that.
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B
That's crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, obviously with Pearl harbor, you know, they. They did something bad, but we didn't. We didn't destroy where. We didn't destroy Europe. We helped and we helped rebuild it for what, 15 billion. That translates today with the Marshall Plan. Today, that would be around $170 billion. The 15.
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A
Holy crap.
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B
The 15 billion that was in like 1948 today would be like 170 billion.
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A
Because of inflation.
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Yeah. So when we look at the different things that have happened, even when you look. When you go back to 1860, the value of slave. How can I say it? Slave worth. I would say it was around, I think, 20 billion, like economic value.
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They were producing a year.
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No, when you add up all of the slaves and the stuff we have produced up until that time point.
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Yeah.
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It was around like 20 billion.
- [70:37]
A
Wow.
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B
So translating it today would be like 12 trillion or something.
- [70:40]
A
Holy crap.
- [70:41]
B
Yeah.
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A
So we can't afford.
- [70:45]
B
Depends on how much they want to give.
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12 trillion. I mean, give up.
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B
Give us a certain amount per year. Give a certain amount per year.
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A
I pay a lot in taxes. I'd rather pay black people that live in America over Israel, I'll tell you that.
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B
That's the thing.
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At least it goes back to the con.
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B
Still fund Israel.
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A
Yeah. I can't rock with them.
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B
Like, we're like Israel's. Like, we still fund Israel and support them with everything, all their wars. And we gave Jewish American, just under George Bush, we gave victims of the Holocaust. Holocaust victims who were living in America. We gave them a certain amount of money. Recently there was a lot of money. So over time, we Continue to give money to them, but we can't give the money to the people who built America with free slave labor. People who created inventions, who helped contribute to slave labor and stuff like that. They credit Eli Whitney with the cotton gin. But he saw. And there's an article that speaks about it. I forget that. You could look it up. There's an article that speaks about how he saw slaves working with a smaller form of the cotton gin. And he just took the idea and made a bigger one. So who really invented it? Like, you saw it already in action and made a bigger version. But it makes sense as to why black people were inventing so many things. They were the workers. So naturally, you're gonna make things that makes your job easier.
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Right.
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You know what I'm saying? If you have to do the cooking, the cleaning, if you're running all of the labor, you're going to be like, oh, well, how can I make this the shop 100% so that, you know, that's. Oh, I'm going to invent the iron. I'm going to invent the iron board. I'm going to invent the doorknob. You just start thinking of things like Osborne Dorsey, Henry Saley, Frederick McKinley Jones, all of this stuff. Like Gary Morgan, like, all of these inventors, they invented these things to make their job easier, but also to make life easier for us today. Like, this is why we still use these inventions.
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Yeah.
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Like, not only were they useful, but they were useful.
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They were necessary.
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So, like a doorknob. Oh, that's.
- [72:44]
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Black people invented doorknobs.
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B
Osborne Dorsey.
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A
Wow. I gotta look that up.
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B
OSBORNE Dorsey, Frederick McKinley Jones, he invented the mobile refrigerator. How we can get. Oh, yeah, black guy. That's how we could get food from a farm to a grocery store. Otherwise, it was spoilable for that.
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A
Holy crap. That's impressive.
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B
Even behind the cell phone, there's two black guys. You can't. The chip in the cell phone, you wouldn't be able to. We wouldn't be able to use text message, WI fi, any of that without Black Avengers.
- [73:12]
A
Really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Damn.
- [73:14]
B
I got even with gps. You know about the black lady behind.
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A
Black people invented gps.
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B
The black lady behind gps?
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A
No, no, no.
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B
She died, like, two years ago.
- [73:21]
A
She invented gps, though.
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B
She was one of the inventors that they credit. They actually give her credit. Okay, I forget her name. I don't want to say the wrong name, but that's impressive. If you just Google black lady behind gps, you're going to see her. All right, so these are things that we've always been a part of. And they stole a lot of inventions. And they admit it. I've heard the, like the US Patent offices, they steal inventions.
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A
Just in general.
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B
They admitted it.
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A
Oh, really?
- [73:46]
B
Like that they didn't credit black people with inventions. If you were a slave, they called you property. And a property can't have an invention. So they would give the credit to the slave master.
- [73:56]
A
Oh, wow.
- [73:58]
B
So. And we still get credited with 50,000 inventions, like during the 1800s and 1900s.
- [74:05]
A
That's a lot.
- [74:06]
B
Yeah. And that's with inventions being stolen. So like Louis Lattimore, the black inventor, he had inventions stolen from him. They said that he worked with Thomas Edison and he worked with what you call it, Henry Ford.
- [74:21]
A
I have heard the light bulb was still in.
- [74:23]
B
I thought they said he worked with like Henry Ford.
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A
Okay.
- [74:26]
B
And like he had a whole idea around working in factories, around cars and stuff like that.
- [74:31]
A
Yeah, that got stolen for sure.
- [74:32]
B
So you know, you know about George Washington Carver and all of that stuff.
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A
What did he steal?
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B
He didn't steal anything. He's a black guy.
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George Washington.
- [74:40]
B
You said George Washington Carver?
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A
No, I don't know.
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B
Peanut butter.
- [74:44]
A
Oh, I've heard that one. Yeah, but it got stolen, right? Or something or.
- [74:48]
B
No, that didn't get stolen. He came up with like 2, 200 inventions from Peanut butter.
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A
Damn.
- [74:52]
B
Like how to use it. And they called him the plant whisperer.
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A
Okay.
- [74:55]
B
And like how he would use. Come up with medicine from plants and stuff like that. And he had a real, like, real high pitched voice.
- [75:02]
A
So he was like Dr. Sebi almost healing people. You know Dr. Sebi?
- [75:07]
B
Yeah, I know Dr. Sabia, but he was. No, he's on a different level this.
- [75:10]
A
Damn. And Dr. Zevi, he's George Washington Carver, dude. Dr. Sebi healed a lot of people.
- [75:17]
B
They. You gotta look him up.
- [75:19]
A
All right, I'll look him up. Dr. Sebi's high up for me.
- [75:23]
B
That's because you don't even know this person.
- [75:24]
A
Well, yeah, I don't. I don't know him.
- [75:26]
B
But they're saying he was a eunuch too.
- [75:28]
A
I don't know what that is.
- [75:29]
B
A unic is someone who doesn't have a penis.
- [75:33]
A
What?
- [75:34]
B
Yeah, because you're castrated.
- [75:37]
A
Oh.
- [75:38]
B
So I think he was at one point he was working on like a white farm or something like that. And then they said that they castrated him because they didn't want him to have an opportunity to sleep with anyone on the farm.
- [75:51]
A
Damn.
- [75:54]
B
That's. That's. So he channeled Something that's something that was said and, like, asked to contribute into his voice.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because you don't hear about him getting married or anything like that. You know, he didn't never have kids.
- [76:03]
A
And, I mean, he channeled all that energy into productivity, man.
- [76:06]
B
They could have did it. They were evil, man.
- [76:09]
A
I mean, if they're chopping off dicks. Yeah, that's evil.
- [76:11]
B
The. Man, the Ku Klux Klan, all. Everything they've done has been evil, man.
- [76:15]
A
They can't argue with that.
- [76:17]
B
No, but just they're strategic, though. So when we go back when we were talking about. You're like, well, do you think they're still around today? And stuff like that.
- [76:24]
A
Yeah, because I don't hear them today,
- [76:26]
B
but they do things strategically, you know? Who. What's that grand wizard name?
- [76:32]
A
Grand Wizard? Yeah.
- [76:35]
B
I'm thinking of the Grand Residu. Iron Wizard. He was one of the Grand Wizards.
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A
I don't know.
- [76:43]
B
That's escaping me right now.
- [76:44]
A
Go on, though.
- [76:45]
B
This dude. Damn. It's escaping me. Daniel Duke.
- [76:52]
A
Oh, Jake Shields is how to monitor.
- [76:54]
B
Daniel Duke is the. Was the.
- [76:55]
A
David Duke.
- [76:56]
B
David Duke. David Duke. David Duke was a. Was the Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard.
- [77:00]
A
Yeah, he's been in the studio. He's been in here on Jake Shield show. Yeah.
- [77:03]
B
You know. Anyway, did he tell you what he did about his book?
- [77:08]
A
I didn't meet him. Now what happened?
- [77:10]
B
Oh, he. This guy wrote a book under the name of Muhammad X. Muhammad X. And it was called, like, African Auto, which means, like, African Attack. So he wrote a pro black book under the name Muhammad X. I don't get it. He used that to trick people so people would order the book and he would write down the addresses of everyone that ordered. No. So that he could know all of, like, the pro black people to attack, get rid of in case anything jumped off.
- [77:45]
A
That's a chess play.
- [77:47]
B
That's like a. I just said strategic.
- [77:49]
A
Yeah. I gotta respect that play.
- [77:50]
B
Yeah. David Duke, that's thought out a book under Muhammad X. Wow, that's nuts. So he chose, like, a black name, then gave a black title, wrote a talk about a pro black book, and then had it like, oh, when the people order the book catalog, I'm just gonna take all of the names from the.
- [78:06]
A
Would you sit down with them?
- [78:07]
B
Sure. That would be interesting.
- [78:09]
A
I'll set it up. I'll try to set it up about
- [78:10]
B
why he did that.
- [78:11]
A
Yeah, he's old now, I think.
- [78:12]
B
Yeah, I know he did that.
- [78:14]
A
I wonder what he did with that info.
- [78:15]
B
Jeez, we Know what he did with that? He wrote the names down.
- [78:18]
A
Yeah, but then what?
- [78:20]
B
He's. He's a Nighthawk?
- [78:21]
A
No.
- [78:22]
B
Maybe.
- [78:23]
A
Holy.
- [78:23]
B
You know, so, like, this is something he did this. People could fact check it. I haven't seen him recently. Like, does he talk about where he stands now?
- [78:32]
A
Didn't he leave the movement?
- [78:34]
B
I don't try to say he's changed.
- [78:35]
A
I think he. I think he said that. You don't think he has more chess? I'm a chess player.
- [78:40]
B
Yeah.
- [78:41]
A
I respect moves like that.
- [78:42]
B
I'm not that good at chess, you know, I'm good. Oh, you good? What's your Elo?
- [78:46]
A
1800. Oh, yeah, you're good. What are you.
- [78:48]
B
1200.
- [78:49]
A
That's not bad.
- [78:50]
B
Yeah, I don't play enough. I don't know.
- [78:51]
A
I play every day.
- [78:52]
B
Yeah.
- [78:52]
A
I don't know the openings.
- [78:53]
B
Like the chess strategy. I didn't study it. I'm not like Michael Carson. I want to know. Yeah, is it Michael Carson? That's not. What's the dude who's been like, undefeated. Was undefeated.
- [79:04]
A
Magnus Carlson. Yeah.
- [79:05]
B
Yeah.
- [79:05]
A
He's a beast.
- [79:06]
B
Yeah, he studied. He went to school for it. Yeah, basically, like he went to. No, he really went to school for it. Yeah, like when he was young and he had a chess coach and all this stuff. I never did, but I do like the idea of chess and stuff like that. We get a lot of, you know, war strategy and stuff from things like chess and stuff like that.
- [79:22]
A
What's next for you, man? What's the next big thing you're working on?
- [79:27]
B
I'm really just working on my podcast and Dr. Will James podcast on YouTube. I'm trying to get into, you know, just more stuff with this, more engagement, you know.
- [79:40]
A
Stay tuned for his part two on Jesse show, guys. Yeah, they'll probably come out before this. So I'm saying it now.
- [79:46]
B
Come out before this.
- [79:46]
A
This will be two, three months now.
- [79:49]
B
I won't come out. Will it?
- [79:50]
A
Either way. Stay tuned.
- [79:52]
B
But.
- [79:53]
A
And then maybe a one on 10 guys. If I could convince them.
- [79:55]
B
Yeah, I'm just doing that. I'm working on a new book. Two new books. One is a narrative and then one is going to be to talk about the education system. And I want to come up with my own framework because the framework that we use in education right now is the Danielson framework. It's called the Danielson framework. And they use it to evaluate teachers. And it has a lot of, like, flaws in it. And all of the educators across America agree. This is why the education system Is dipping the way it is. It has its good elements of it. I'm not completely against it, but overall it needs to be changed and adjusted.
- [80:30]
A
I'm against it.
- [80:31]
B
It places 100% of the flaws and fault on teachers and it doesn't hold administrators accountable. So a lot of stuff to take into consideration when you're evaluating a teacher is the type of school they're in. What is being done by the administrators before you evaluate the teacher? What has the administrators done? Do they have systems and structures put in place to monitor hallways? Do they have a consequence? Do they have suspension? What do they have to hold kids accountable in the school? School wide system. That needs to be taken into consideration before you evaluate a teacher. A lot of teachers, they get rated. So on the Danielson framework, it's ineffective, developing, effective, highly effective. The data shows that teachers who get rated effective and highly effective are getting the same results as teachers that get rated developing. Which makes no sense.
- [81:25]
A
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
- [81:26]
B
Like if you're highly effective, there should be a significant difference in the results of highly developed. Highly, highly effective. Effective in developing. Right. So I want to create a framework that will show that difference. I want to hold administrators accountable. I want to get rid of developing. I would just have ineffective effective and highly effective. Either you're effective or you're not. The development is like a safe space. Safe space for people when they rape.
- [81:50]
A
Yeah.
- [81:51]
B
So I want to get rid of that. So I'm going to definitely come up with that. Do more things in my field. Since my doctorate is in educational leadership. I'm gonna do more things focused on that. But just continue to grow in the space, contribute. And I do want my own school like I want my own Private School.
- [82:09]
A
Dr. Umar.
- [82:11]
B
Yeah, but I wouldn't. I would, I would, I would fund it myself.
- [82:14]
A
You got a lot of heat for that.
- [82:15]
B
Just so I wouldn't get in the situation he's in. I don't think he really planned it out.
- [82:19]
A
He took too long.
- [82:19]
B
I don't think he thought it through. Like I. I also flip houses. So I'm. I'm probably a more aware of the. How can I say, the issues that you could run into than he is. So yeah, I would fund it myself. That's why I want to make. I want to use the money that I make from this stuff.
- [82:39]
A
Yeah.
- [82:39]
B
To fund my own private school and just grow. Grow it and have different private schools across America to where kids really get a proper education.
- [82:48]
A
That's neat.
- [82:49]
B
My book could serve as a curriculum alone. Damn and if they learned it properly, even black and white kids.
- [82:55]
A
I'm a read. Is this on audible? Audible. I'll get it on there, man. Yeah, I don't read books. I just listen to them.
- [83:01]
B
But no, see, I'm. I have to study. Like, when I read a book, even when I read my book back, like, I study it, I stuff Like I'm one of those people.
- [83:09]
A
Okay. I'm an audio learner.
- [83:10]
B
Yeah. So I feel like if black, white, Asian, whoever, you read this book, you're going to learn so much, you could go back. I have the sources. You go back, fact check. You like, wow, I didn't know that. And you just learn so much to give you a different perspective. Because like you said, even when we talk about reparations, there's so many people that have things in their mind that they thought they knew. And some people that say to me, like, yo, Lincoln gave you guys, like 40 acres and a mule. And I'm like, that never happened. Why would you say that? Like, that never happened. Like, if you really believe that happened, then that shows why you have this misguided perception that never happened. So those are the things that I really want to do. Continue to grow. My brother, man, he and I are going to do a lot of things together. We got a lot of things coming, you know.
- [83:55]
A
Twin brother.
- [83:55]
B
Yeah, my twin brother. He's an expert in his field.
- [83:58]
A
Like, in police work.
- [83:59]
B
Yeah, he's an expert. Like, and still sharp. And still. I learned a lot from him.
- [84:03]
A
I. I will say it'd be good to have a black police officer get out there on social media. I don't see any talking about stuff.
- [84:08]
B
No, we have one. Who's the biggest coon on the planet?
- [84:10]
A
Who?
- [84:10]
B
Officer Tatum.
- [84:11]
A
Oh, he used to be. Yeah, I've had him on a few times. Well, people think I won't expose it, but people think he's sold out to certain interests also.
- [84:20]
B
He's. He's. He's ridiculous. He's.
- [84:23]
A
I'll get you two together. I'll try. I'll try. He's. He's picky.
- [84:26]
B
Officer Tatum is the biggest cone. The Cartier family.
- [84:29]
A
I've heard of them.
- [84:30]
B
They're coons. Like, a. Certain channels, when I watch abba and Priests are ridiculous. No, they're not.
- [84:34]
A
What do you think of Myron Gaines? Fresh and sick. Really?
- [84:38]
B
Yeah.
- [84:38]
A
Wow. I like Myron.
- [84:39]
B
Yeah. He talks good about certain dating.
- [84:42]
A
Just dating.
- [84:42]
B
Just dating. Certain times. He's. I'm like, all right, we're on the same page. And then when we get to like race relations and things like that. It's like, what are you doing? You're an idiot.
- [84:50]
A
Like he's more the belief of the victim mindset with black people.
- [84:53]
B
The victim. But see, I don't like the victim. Like what are we talking about with victim mindset? There's certain things where the victimhood where there's people like, oh, you don't use non inclusive language or don't use. Don't assume a person's pronouns and don't use your ableism privilege and don't assume everyone in the room can hear like there's a clip out there where they're at like some intervention and like everyone's talking and everyone gets up and they're like trying to out victim one another. I don't believe in that stuff. I don't like that with stupid stuff like that. I'm an objective person. I come from an objective place. Like this was America's history. This is before slavery. This is slavery. This is what happened after slavery. GI Bill. We know about all the systemic racism, redlining the banking system, discrimination in the education system, discrimination in hiring. They have studies on it. They did a study that showed how the Pew research and they showed how they were discriminating on people based on their names.
- [86:04]
A
Damn.
- [86:05]
B
So, so like with me, I probably could get away with it. You see William James, you don't know who Shane. But certain names, if you see Jamal White, you know what I'm saying? And they're like, yo, put this resume to the bottom. And they were doing that. This is stuff that we have data on. And Long Island, Nassau county and Suffolk County. There's a lawsuit going on right now. They had 6,700 black officers apply to be, you know, go through the process to be police officers. They hired 67.
- [86:35]
A
So 1% less than 1%. 67 out of 6700 you said?
- [86:40]
B
Yeah. Out of 6700.
- [86:42]
A
Yeah.
- [86:42]
B
So that's like 0.01%.
- [86:44]
A
Oh, is it? Oh yeah, you might be right.
- [86:46]
B
Yeah. Because that would be out of like 600.
- [86:50]
A
Well, yeah, either way, but yeah, that sounds low.
- [86:52]
B
Yeah. That's crazy. And they were discriminating a lot of them based off of the psychiatric exam, the psychiatric evaluation, which is a professional opinion. It's not even fact. So that's just a loophole to be able to disqualify.
- [87:05]
A
Interesting.
- [87:06]
B
So that many came out and you hired this small amount. It has. There's nothing to point to other than disgrace. You don't, you know, there's no facts behind it. And this is today, you know what I'm saying? In 2015, they had a police force in Florida that was shooting at the mug shots of black people. The fuck? Yeah. Of real people who had taken mug shots. And they got discovered when one of the dudes that was up there, like, his sister walked into. They were at like, a gun range, and she walked in and was like, why is my brother up here?
- [87:41]
A
Wow.
- [87:42]
B
Like, this is crazy. And then what does that do? If these people go police society and they're shooting at black people, thinking perpetrator. Now you're programming your mind to perpetrator. Perpetrator, blackface. But like, this. This. This stuff is happening now. So when you look at all of this stuff and then you think, well, what has ever been done for black people? There were no reparations. There's nothing been in place for us. And then, like, during COVID there was discrimination against Asians. For Covid. Yeah, I remember that came quickly with an Asian hate bill. Where's the black hate bill? And you can't tell me, See, you just can't tell me that black people, historically in America have been treated equal to other races. And you can't tell me we're not the most oppressed. Why? How can other races get certain benefits and privileges before us? This is why things repeat. Like when we see things that happen, just happen with the Rick Child situation, this is why these things continue to happen. You know what I'm saying? Because no one is ever standing up and saying, like, black people deserve this. They matter. They've made. That's why I wrote the book. We've made the most significant contributions in American history, and we've been oppressed the most in American history. Those are two facts. I would love with someone to come with more facts or something to debunk it. Show me the group that was oppressed more than black people in America. Show me the group that has made more significant contributes to American society than black people. And then people come with lies. They talk about, well, yeah, black people commit all of this crime, you know, in America, and they don't even know how crime is reported in America.
- [89:23]
A
I don't.
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B
I know they don't. And if they sit in front of me, they won't know. But I'll tell you, it's from the ucr. We collect data from the ucr. It's the Uniform Crime Report. The Uniform Crime Report is when they collect data through police stations around America, sending in their data. And this comes from. Not from convictions. If it came from convictions, that would be an argument in itself, because it would be like what we said before. We would be like, well, that just shows that black people get convicted more because they may not have socioeconomic status. They may not have that. But it's not even that. It's not even convictions. It's eyewitness testimony with people who go into court or haven't even been caught.
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A
Really?
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B
Yeah. So let's say a person commits a robbery.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And the victim is like, I was robbed. And they're like, well, what did perpetrator look like? What was the race black? Sometimes these people could be lying or that could be their perception of the person. Like, let's say the person looked like Bruno Mars. And Bruno Mars is, I think, like, Filipino and Puerto Rican or something.
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A
Yeah, something like that.
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B
But I have family members who resemble him, and they're just straight black. So now you look at the person, and based off whatever your races or your historical background or your perception of people, you're like, oh, the perpetrator was black. He had an Afro. So it was a black person. Now, when the data goes in, the uniform crime report. Oh, black person guilty of a robbery. Interesting added person. That's how they report the data. That's the uniform report, the ucr. Everyone can look this up.
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A
Wow.
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B
So it's not even based off of facts, but if you want to look at it, the uniform crime report has white people as the highest count. So. So. And I think that that's the worst crime there is.
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A
Yeah. Well, there's way more white people, though, right?
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B
Yeah. So we could. But even I think it's per capita, too.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Damn. Yeah.
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B
Because I look. I always look at the data.
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A
Yeah. Per capita.
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B
Yeah. So I always look at Omaha. Let's look per capita. So I think even per capita, the percentage was much higher or higher.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But you know what I'm saying. With these crimes, you got to be honest. Because low socioeconomic status contributes to crime, and we know that 100%. So if per capita, by and large, black people are significantly more in poverty than other races, that's going to contribute to more crime, which is part of the argument for reparations.
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A
Yeah.
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B
If after we get reparations, nothing's changed, I would shut up. I'd be like, hey, they gave us reparations, and you guys are still stupid.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I also don't just say we can continue to do whatever. That's what I'm saying. I hold us accountable. And if you see some of My stuff I post a lot of times when I see crime or I see fights, if I see black people, white people, Asian people, different things acting out, I say, this is ridiculous. I hold this account that's needed, though. Yeah. They need to be held accountable. And I don't think no one holds them accountable more than me because I look at the greatness of black culture. I hate to see stupid stuff, so. I hate to see stupid stuff promoted.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So that new song by Young Miami,
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A
I haven't seen it. Heard it.
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B
Scamming and Boosting.
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A
That's a song.
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B
Yeah. So she was talking about where all my scammers at, where my boosters are. I shouted that song down because it praises scamming. Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I don't like that being promoted in our society. Like, so I always talk out against the negatives in. Within the culture. Our culture isn't perfect. No culture is perfect. No race is perfect. But we have to look at these things and be honest. I can't stand when people are just disingenuous. I'm honest. If you can prove me wrong about something and the facts show this and we're really analyzing it. All right. I'm willing to change my stance, but I hope you're willing to do the same thing when I prove you wrong.
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A
I'll try to find you some people for the 10 on one to change your mind.
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B
They're not gonna be able to. They're just like. What I'm saying are. These are all facts.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So it's like.
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A
It's hard to argue with that.
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B
Yeah. How are you gonna argue the fact? They're just gonna. They're just gonna say. But they're gonna say something.
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A
Emotional appeal.
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B
Yeah, it's more the stuff like, hey, man, I'm just tired of getting robbed of black people. Okay? That's what happened when I got, you know. Okay, like, what am I gonna say to that? Like, okay, well, when I lay out the statistics, When I lay out the ucr, you don't even know who. The percentage. You don't even know for a fact what's what. Well, what are you talking about right now? And that's not every black person. What are you talking. Wait. Well, it shows that they leading, you know, robberies according to the FBI statistics, which they got from the ucr, and you don't know for a fact. And we're also the most exonerated. When I talk about that, when I talk about the racism and sentencing and all of that, what are you gonna say to that?
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A
Well, dude, this was great. I could talk to you for hours.
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B
Honestly, I could talk to you for hours. I could do this forever.
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A
Yeah, this was one of my longest ones, man. This was good. Where could people find you? And we'll link the book as well.
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B
I just found the clock.
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A
Yeah, we'll link your handles, man. Stay tuned, guys. He might come back for a debate or another episode. I'll see you next time. Peace. Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. Means a lot. Please click here if you want to watch the next episode and please subscribe to the show. It helps us get more guests and helps grow the brand.