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Empaths vs Narcissists: Hidden Truths & Dynamics | Aaron Doughty DSH #771
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Step into the fascinating dynamics of Empaths vs. Narcissists with Sean Kelly on the Digital Social Hour! 🎙️ Tune in as Aaron Doughty dives deep into the hidden truths and energetic patterns between these intriguing personalities. Are you an empath,
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A
The empaths are people that can feel other people's energy. Narcissists are people that, you know, are very demanding and manipulative in order to get their needs met. Interesting way. I believe both of these have a lot in common. What empaths and narcissists have in common is that they both have a sense of self that's very faulty.
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B
Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Doughty here today. My man. How's it going?
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A
It's going awesome, man. Thanks for having me on.
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B
Absolutely. Dude, what you teach is so valuable, and I feel like you've been doing it for years. You were teaching it before this movement even started.
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A
Yeah, yeah. When I got on YouTube in 2017 and there were people way before me in like 2011, 2012. But it was kind of a couple years after I got into it that things really started picking up where now there's a lot of people talking about this kind of stuff, and it's like, really been put out there in a much bigger way.
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B
And the core of your message is basically raising your vibration, right?
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A
Yes. Like elevating your vibration, your level of consciousness. The more aware you become of the subconscious patterns in your life that sometimes are mirrored back from childhood, the more you have potential to break out of that box so that you stop creating the same familiar dynamics over and over again.
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B
Right. Sabotage loop. Right.
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A
Sabotage loop is definitely a part of it. Yeah.
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B
Yeah, I had a few of those. I was listening to you on Andre Dukem's podcast.
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A
Yeah.
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B
One of the ones I had was trying to be a people pleaser.
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A
Yes.
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B
And I would try to do that so much that I wasn't doing it to the people closest to me.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I would please everyone else other than my fiance, my mother. Isn't that weird?
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A
Interesting. Okay, so growing up, then, were you in a. If you don't mind me asking, when you were growing up, were you in a childhood household where you had to please one of your parents or you had to be a certain way in order to get validation or approval?
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B
I would say so, yes. So I was an only child.
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A
Yep.
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B
So everyone in my town had a sibling. They had a lot of friends. I kind of didn't. So I felt like I had to please people in order to be accepted.
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A
Makes sense. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's a very common pattern that I notice in just. A lot of people have it because there's this expectation people have, and I have this not theory, but this energetic way of understanding people, pleasing. Whereas kids, you could also associate this with people that are Empaths, people that can feel other people's energy. As kids, if you think about being grounded in your sense of self, and you could think of, like, for a more esoteric term, chakras, the bottom three chakras. When you think of being grounded in that, what happens is when you are feeling like, you know, there's tension in the household and you're trying to mitigate it, a lot of times what'll happen is people that are empaths or people that can feel other people's energy out of a survival mechanism, they moved out of being grounded in their sense of self. In the bottom three chakras, it's like they move all the way up into their intuitive center, into the third eye to connect to everybody else, to constantly say, is it safe? Is it safe? Because if mom is in tension, then I feel tens. If you feel bad, then I feel bad. So in a way, it's been a survival mechanism towards getting safety and navigating tension.
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B
Wow.
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A
So a big part of the healing for being an empath that I found, and I've seen tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people that have watched my YouTube videos transform from is something called the frame technique. The frame technique is where you actually feel the separation in your body between you and other people. Now, in the spiritual movement, it's all about connection, Right? We're all one consciousness. Let's all connect our energy fields together. However, what ends up happening is then people are tuning to each other and there's a loss of that sense of self. What actually empaths or people that can feel other people's energy need to do is to learn how to feel centered in their sense of self and to actually feel empowered to be a separate entity. To know that Mom's tension is Mom's tension, it's not my response to mitigate it.
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B
Wow.
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A
So I'm guessing that maybe further on in life, if you're having this energy of people pleasing, which a lot of people have that pattern, you probably felt responsible for other people's emotions.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You felt like, oh, if they're unhappy, I did something wrong.
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B
Yeah, I felt that.
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A
And a lot of that comes from that. It's called individuation in Carl Union psychology. But individuation, the process of individuating from mom and dad and of being in your sense of self and feeling separate from them, is actually a benefit when you can feel safe in your body. So what the frame technique is real quick is you stare at a candle flame and you focus on the in breath, you take a deep breath in, and you focus on the separation between you and the candle flame. And you focus really intently on the core of the flame. And then on the out breath, you still look at the candle flame, but you look with your peripheral around it, and then you relax. So it's like self looking at the candle flame, and then other is everything around it, but you're not looking your eyes around like this. You're just allowing the peripheral to be there. And it's a technique. It's a zazen technique, but it's like a meditation technique where you start to feel more safe inside of your body.
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B
Wow.
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A
When you feel safe inside of your body, you don't search for validation and approval as much on the outside because you know that someone else's tension is their tension, not your responsibility to fix. If you take that back to childhood, mom and dad's tension of whatever was going on in their life, that was their stuff to deal with, not your stuff. So you stop taking responsibility for other people's energy and emotion, and you start feeling safe and centered in your own sense of self, and you feel way more empowered.
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B
That's massive.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. I also had. I saw you talk about one of not feeling good enough.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Dude, I. I could do anything when I was a kid.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it'd be like a good job at most, really. It was never, like, never physical affection, never words of affirmation. So I didn't have that growing up. Which are my love languages I found out later in life.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And, yeah, I could get straight A's. I could score 30 points in a basketball game. I could do anything, and nothing happened. So I always felt like I wasn't good enough.
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A
Yeah. I think that's the most common, like, not necessarily limiting belief, but the most common emotion that holds people back is shame. It's the belief that there's something wrong with me. Whereas guilt, the vibration of guilt and the vibration of shame are different. Guilt is. I can be a good person. I just did something wrong. I made a mistake. Shame is. There's something wrong with me. And it's a core belief that gets stored inside of our body. And then the way we relate to other people is we have this notion underneath that there's something wrong with me. There's something wrong with me. And of course, in childhood, you know, you're not as aware of these different patterns. You're just kind of going through life. But if you carry that with you, long term, it's almost like no matter what you do, you could get all the success in the world, you could get all the validation in the world, but it still doesn't feel enough. Because there's a core belief there that says there's something wrong with me. So something I found very powerful is, is realizing part of it going back to childhood that your parents not giving you that affection growing up, not having the physical touch that you maybe craved, or the validation of understanding that it wasn't your fault. Because shame is identity based. Shame says there's something wrong with me. And one of the reasons I think this is too is as kids, our parents are our survival. And in a weird way, we think of our parents as God, right? We think our parents are this almighty force because they're so much bigger than us and we're afraid of disappointing them. But also we don't want to believe that our parents maybe had their own shit to deal with. So we internalize it. We say, oh, it's not that mom had emotional stuff that she hadn't processed or dad had his own stuff he hasn't processed. It's not so much that I would rather think that I'm broken and there's something wrong with me than to think that the person I base my survival on that there's something wrong with them. So we internalize it, make it shame based. Because it's easier for us to accept than it is for us to accept that mom or dad was physically or emotionally unavailable or abandoning. So we internalize it and we take on that shame as a burden so that we don't blame, so that they don't feel that in a weird way, it's like our survival is based on it. So it's like we pick one over the other. So realizing that was mom and dad, like, yeah, maybe mom and dad didn't have all their stuff figured out. Not blaming them now, like, oh, I had a horrible childhood. But being able to see that it wasn't your fault that mom or dad didn't give you the physical affection growing up, it wasn't your fault. Like, it's not cause you weren't worthy, it's not cause you weren't good enough. Probably your parents were probably treated the same way from their parents growing up.
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B
Probably.
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So they didn't know how to model, they didn't know when to model what that kind of healthy physical connection was. So doesn't make it right, but it does help you understand them a little bit more. So it wasn't your fault. That's when you can start to Free yourself from the shame, identity, belief that says, there's something wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with you. It's just a pattern that your parents had that they expressed towards you or didn't express towards you that then had us believe growing up that there's something wrong with me and there's nothing wrong.
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B
Yeah, no, that's so true. Because you hold your parents in such high regard, right?
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For sure.
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But then, like you said, my mom grew up in China. Her mom probably never hugged her. They were all about education over there, and my dad grew up on a farm, and that was tough love. So. Absolutely. It's all about breaking the cycle then, right?
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A
Yeah. I find a lot of times when I'm coaching people, people that come from certain Asian countries, because there's such a value put on respect and such a value put on, like, achievement, it can sometimes cause a perfectionist mentality. I don't know if you had that growing up, but, like, in order for me to be good enough, I'm going to avoid feeling not good enough. And the way I'm going to do that is by being perfect and setting this incredibly high standard that I must attain. And then the problem is, is if you ever ask a perfectionist, you say, how would you know something you do is good enough? How would you know something is perfect? They never have an answer. Almost never. They're like, it's this abstract thing that's always a little bit further away. And then you always. I always take that further. Like at live events and stuff. I always take that further. Like, how would you know something you do is good enough? How would you know you're good enough? Because good enough is that perfectionist. Almost like we're so used to familiarizing the feeling of not being good enough that we put this standard so high that we must attain. And if we don't attain it, then we feel like, you know, we're almost addicted. We almost. We're almost addicted to feeling not good enough, where it's familiar. And funny enough, familiar is very similar to the word familial, which is family. Right. So it's like we're trying to constantly recreate the same familial, familiar dynamics from kids until we process the emotion and we let it go, we become aware of it, which is why awareness is always 90% of the process of transformation.
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B
Just being aware.
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Just being aware. Yeah. You become aware of certain patterns. Like if you became aware of someone in your life that maybe was trying to take advantage of you and was trying to Manipulate you. And you maybe normally had trouble setting boundaries with them, but then you start setting boundaries with this person, and you see them doing something that's manipulative. You're aware. So it's like, if you were to keep playing along, it's almost like you can't unsee it.
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B
Yeah.
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So you're too aware now for you to continue playing along with it. So that's why awareness is 90 of the transformation. The other 10 is making a new choice about who you are, making a new choice about what energy you resonate with.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And sometimes people get caught up, because a big part of transformation sometimes is also letting go. Letting go of attachment. Like, how do I let go? It's so hard to let go.
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B
Yeah.
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And really letting go is just a choice you make. It can be very easy. The story that we hold onto, why we should hold on, is what's hard for people to let go of. Because a lot of times that story is connected to childhood.
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Right.
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So it's like, is it hard for you to let go of. Like, if you have some clothes in your closet and you say, okay, go let go of this clothes in your closet. You go, take it out. You let go of it. It's easy to do. But if you're like, oh, my grandma gave me this sweater, and it was the first time I met my girlfriend, I was in this sweater. And my dad always said this about the sweater. It was like, all these stories, and it's hard to let go.
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Yeah.
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But really, it's easy to let go. It's just, you have to become aware of the story that's being projected onto the attachment, and that makes it way easier.
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B
Wow. No, you're right, though. I have shirts from high school that I still have in my closet, man.
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And is there a story to those shirts? You're like, oh, I won my first basketball tournament in this shirt.
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B
Or I got my varsity jacket from. From track and field in high school.
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It could be a good heirloom. I was like, you need to let it go. But sometimes that's, like, more of a metaphor, because sometimes people have trouble attracting love or attracting abundance, and they have so much clutter in their closet. They have so many preconceived notions and beliefs in their subconscious that they hold themselves back from attracting something new.
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Yeah.
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Because of that attachment. Because of that holding it in the closet. When instead, if you were to, like, let it go, metaphorically speaking, you'd make more room for something else, or it wouldn't be taking up that energetic bandwidth yeah.
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B
In terms of attracting, do you think it could work the opposite way? Because some people seem to be attracted towards toxic relationships.
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Oh, yeah. What do you mean?
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B
You mean like some people just keep dating and then end up in toxic relationships back to back? Do you seem like they're attracting it?
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Oh, yeah, yeah. Whether. Whether you attract, like, I mean, if you attract a narcissistic person into your life and maybe that person felt maybe you had a narcissistic dad or mom growing up or step parent, whatever, and you attracted into your life many times, it will come from a familiar pattern dynamic where that feels normal. It feels normal to have someone in your life that's trying to control you. It feels normal in your life to have someone that's very, maybe has a lot of aggression and that feels familiar. So they keep attracting it. I actually think empaths, empaths are people that can feel other people's energy. Narcissists are people that, you know, are very demanding and manipulative in order to get their needs met.
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Right.
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In an interesting way, I believe both of these have a lot in common. They have a lot in common. Now, what empaths and narcissists have in common is that they both have a sense of self that's very faulty. So what happens is the narcissist has a false sense of self that appears to be strong. So they in that sense of kind of like illusion of self, but they will manipulate everyone else to get their needs met. And then what happens is empaths, they don't have that strong of a sense of self because in childhood they had to move up to the top chakras and they don't feel grounded, but their means of getting their needs met are opposite. So an empath or a narcissist will manipulate everyone else to get their needs met. The empath has a different rule, says, I will give to then get. If I can give you what you want, give you validation, approval, validate your reality. If I can, like, do anything you want me to do to get the validation, then I will receive after that some form of validation approval. So what they get to learn from each other is they actually have something to learn from each other. Of course, narcissists need to learn how to, you know, be more empathic and to feel other people's energies. Yeah, empaths from the narcissists normally need to learn boundaries. Like, they need to learn boundaries. They need to learn how to establish their sense of self and to say no to someone that's constantly Trying to manipulate them. But also the empath needs to become aware of their own tendencies towards manipulation. So we all. We. I think we all do this in our own subconscious ways until we become aware of it. But once again, narcissists will manipulate everyone else to get their needs met. They probably aren't aware they're doing it. Empaths will give and give and give and do whatever everyone else wants them to do with an expectation of I can then feel safe, I can then feel good enough. And what they get to learn from each other, though, is kind of getting. Moving more towards the middle, but becoming aware of those tendencies and feeling more in your own sense of self. So the empath learning boundaries how to be in their own sense of self, not manipulating by giving.
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B
Yeah.
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Which is triggering for sometimes people to hear that because the narcissist gets such a bad rat. Almost everyone can agree that narcissist. The narcissist energy is such a toxic thing.
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Yeah.
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A
On the other side of that, the. The ability to feel other people's energy, it's kind of glorified sometimes. And I think also it's like I can feel everyone's energy. I'm so sensitive, and it can be a benefit. I think people that are empathic become very good counselors and coaches because they can tune to other people in a very powerful way. However, I like to give it the other perspective that you still want to come more into your own sense of self because otherwise that pattern continues to live onwards, where you almost sometimes feel like a leaf in the wind. You become too sensitive. You know what I mean? So they have something to learn from each other. But yeah, 100%. To answer the question, we attract people, even toxic, and we're attracted to it and we don't. Sometimes people are attracted to toxic relationships and they don't know why.
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B
Most of them don't know.
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A
They don't. They have no idea. Or they attract someone that's really good and healthy for them and they're just bored.
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B
They're like, what, the nice guys finished last?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Right.
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A
Yeah, 100%.
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Yeah. No, I was the nice guy and I definitely finished last for a large part of my life.
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A
Yeah. What was the shift for you to go from nice guy into being more in your sense of self, would you say?
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B
Great question. Wow. Dude, I was so nice and like for years just getting no girls, barely any friends, and I saw all the dicks getting girls.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? All the cool kids or whatever.
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So it's the opposite of what everyone.
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Says, yeah, just, you know, trying to fit in, I guess. But I would still say I'm a nice guy.
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A
Yeah.
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I would just say I'm more, I don't know, head on.
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Yeah. Yeah. You. Maybe you're more aware and mindful that you're not going to overextend yourself or you're not going to, like, sacrifice or abandon yourself. I think that's what happens a lot of times with people pleasers, nice guys. All these patterns is out of the fear of abandonment of other people. They change their sense of self when the initial abandonment's already happened. People abandoned themselves to make everyone else happy.
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B
Right.
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To make everyone else, like, remove tension or to feel. To feel good about them. But the funny enough thing is that you end up abandoning yourself and then that becomes inauthentic. So a big part of it is coming back to the sense of self. And I think what you've probably become is you've probably become kind.
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B
Yeah.
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Nice is like sometimes manipulative, I think, where it's like, I'll be nice to get the exchange. And that's what nice guys finish last because they're like, I'm gonna be nice to you and I'm gonna get sex or I'm gonna get validation or I'm gonna get approval. But it doesn't work like that. Kind is different. Kind is without attachment. Someone that's kind is like, oh, it's a kind person, you know? And there's no attachment to that. There's no outcome that's trying to be extracted from that. So. But yeah, it's always interesting seeing. And normally the transformation for people comes when they reach their breaking point. They've been nice for so long, the girlfriend or whatever happens, and then they come to their own sense of power and they realize, no more. I'm going to establish my boundaries now.
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B
I can only take so many friend zones, man.
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A
Yeah, right. After a while you're like, okay, yeah.
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B
I've seen you talk about sexual energies.
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A
Yes.
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B
And I'm very curious what your take on that. So in terms of, like, masturbation and having sex with random people, that's something you don't partake in. Right.
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A
I am very firm on my own energy and I believe having clean energy is very beneficial for just about anyone. I believe that the way thing is in society now, energetically, vibrationally, whatever esoteric term we want to give it, it can be very toxic. I believe that our energetic field, when we're intimate with someone else, we are exchanging energy. We're Exchanging more than just the physical side of it. So if you are. Sometimes people tend to be attracted to maybe toxic people and then they're having sex with someone with toxic energy or maybe that, that part of them that's attracted to that is some toxic subconscious energy. But it, it ends up causing a lot of like scattered energy. You can, I think from a certain perspective, like kind of absorb someone else's energy as well. And then also it's just kind of confusing to the body, I believe as well. But yeah, with sexual energy, with masturbation, it's like, I believe sexual energy is something that can be harnessed. So I'm not necessarily like, you know, I don't make YouTube videos on NoFap or anything like that. But when I first read Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, he has a whole chapter on sexual transmutation.
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B
Really?
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A
And yeah, it's, I mean it's, it's not a real long chapter, but basically it's harnessing the energy of sexual energy to put it towards certain desires. And, and I know the way I am with my own sexual energy where I have strong boundaries there. And generally I only am like, I only get with someone that I actually feel a connection to and someone even that's like somebody that could see something long term with. So it's like there's, you have to become aware of what your standards are. But having clean sexual energy, I believe is very important to remaining grounded, to also just maintaining a high vibration. And I know that sounds like an esoteric term, vibration, but when we're around each other, like the things that influence our energy the most I think are the people we surround ourselves with. And one of the most intimate acts we can do is to connect sexually with someone. So when people are going around and they are sleeping with multiple different people, with multiple different energetic fields, with multiple different childhood traumas. Yeah, it gets a little bit murky when you're exchanging that energy with someone else. And what ends up happening over time is it can be very confusing. You may be, you may eventually down the road be processing things and emotions that may be yours. Maybe they're not even really originally yours. You just kind of absorbed it.
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B
I could see that. I know guys with stupid high body counts and dude, they don't think straight.
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A
Right? Yeah.
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B
Just being honest.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know what I mean? And I'm actually against most religions, but the one good thing is no sex till marriage. I actually, as I get older, that's not such a bad thing. Right?
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A
Yeah. And I think just in General having. You know, it is glorified having for certain. I guess for a male or female, maybe it's different, but it's like glorified for a man to have an extremely high body count, you know? But I think that it is like. I think as time goes on and as more and more people go through, like, spiritual awakening and stuff like that, I think that will change. You can even see it already happening where people are valuing their energy more. And it's almost. I think it'll eventually be more attractive to not have been with like a thousand people or hundreds and hundreds of people, where it's like, oh, you're in your own energy. You have maybe certain values or certain level of integrity or, you know, that's something that you don't just share with everybody. Just share with people that, you know, someone that you have a very deep connection with.
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B
Absolutely. Yeah. My body counts one. And I consider that a flex, honestly, before you would get bullied for that as a guy, especially in my position, that you don't have hundreds of bodies.
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A
That's so rare. It's so rare nowadays, you know?
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B
So rare. It's disgusting, dude. I don't like the hookup culture.
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A
Yeah. I think. I think it's something that can be very toxic, you know? So it's just kind of depends on where you are with that.
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B
I want to talk about remote viewing.
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A
Okay. Interesting.
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B
So I'm actually practicing this right now.
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A
Oh, wow. That's awesome.
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B
Yeah. So my. My girlfriend and I, we sit back to back, and then we pull up a card from a deck.
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A
Yep.
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B
And we have to guess the number in the suit.
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A
Oh, that's cool.
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B
Yeah, we're pretty good.
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A
Dude, that's awesome. So what are you doing to learn that?
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B
So I have a spiritual coach.
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A
Okay.
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B
Shout out to Jessenia, and it was one of the exercises she gave me to enhance my powers.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
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That's. That's amazing. I think that's really cool. Back in 2017, when I got on YouTube, I had that of. I started putting out content. My YouTube channel started to grow, and I eventually connected to my grandpa, who's passed away now, but he worked for something behind the government, something like that. We never knew what he did growing up. He went away like 300 days a year. We never knew what he exactly did. He never talked about it. But after I went through my awakening, he. Or after my awakening and making YouTube videos, he saw what I was into, and he was a very esoteric guy. I remember Growing up, seeing Edgar Cayce books laying around, which is like a very esoteric information growing up. But I remember it like laying around the house and he would. Him and I connected once he saw my YouTube videos because he saw what I was into and he was into something very similar. And he was like 80, right? Like 80 year olds. To be into this kind of stuff is very interesting.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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So he'd come over to my house and we talk about things he was also kind of into like some type of like secret society thing, type thing, you know, like freemasonry.
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Yeah.
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But anyways, one thing that he told me is he said if you get these meditation CDs, they're from the 80s, they're going to change your life. They're going to help you remote view, astral project. They'll change your consciousness. And these meditation CDs were you. I got them used online. This is after I started making money. So I had the, you know, I was like, I could. Was willing to spend four or five hundred dollars that much use meditation CDs. And the CIA eventually did tests with this. The C. The CIA documents on this on the gate. It's called the Gateway Experience.
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B
Wow.
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And the Gateway Experience is this from this guy named Robert Monroe. The Monroe Institute, where he was studying out of body experiences. Now this Robert Monroe Roguai was not some spiritual woo woo guy that was just like exploring these things. He was a very successful businessman that was very interested in out of body experiences. And he'd bring people in and scientists at like, like very, you know, high level, like science merged with it.
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B
Yeah.
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And what the CIA did is they experimented with these meditation CDs. They explored what reality is. They were able to leave their body and have these very powerful experiences. It's called. They use Hemi. It's called Hemi Sync technology. Hemi Sync allows the brainwave patterns to be in a way synchronized together to have these abilities that are beyond what our 3D avatar body has the ability to do.
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B
Wow.
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But basically I got these meditation CDs back in like 2018, 2019, and they did completely change my life. It wasn't just that I was doing astral projection and remote viewing. The meditations were basically guided imagery that would help you get to a certain state of consciousness where you could access different parts of your own subconscious. You could understand more about reality. You could connect to your energy field, you could clean out your energy field. There were these different tools, all metaphoric. It basically it's. There's six CDs and all of these meditations are just. They're just like tracks of meditations that you listen to. And you have to listen to them in order.
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B
Okay.
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A
You can't go to number 25 on disc four and do Astral projection because there's all these things you have to do beforehand.
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B
How long, how long are the discs?
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Like, they're about 25 to 30 minute meditations each. And there's probably like, there's probably two or three on each CD and there's probably three CDs per wave. There's five waves, so there's.
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B
So it takes eight hours to reach astral projection, you're saying basically it would take.
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A
It would. If you were just to like, listen to it all the way through. But it's something you're supposed to do and then practice and then you evolve to the next one when you're ready, energetically.
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B
Got it.
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But remote viewing, astral projection, I mean, it's something the government has. Has definitely explored with and experimented on to learn more about reality. And the CIA documents that come out explaining it, it's very fascinating because it basically says we live in a form of holographic reality that appears to be real. That there's ways of basically influencing matter more by changing your energy. It talks about something called the God particle. Like there's this. There's this connection to like source energy. So. And one of the reasons the CIA documents, I mean, people can go read them to see what it says. But it's very interesting.
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B
I saw your video on it, dude.
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A
The CIA documents. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
Being able to astral project has been a goal of mine since high school. I used to get bullied in high school for telling kids I wanted to astral project.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
They were like, what is that? Like you're crazy, you know? But now it seems like it's more and more normal.
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A
Now maybe kid could say that and be like, maybe not as. Not as much bully.
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B
Yeah. So when you were astral projection, what were your goals in that state? Were you trying to accomplish anything?
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A
I had. So I've had only a few astral projection experiences. One was in my. In 2012, I had a spiritual awakening. My whole, whole new reality of spiritual connection opened up where I felt, you know, we're eternal spiritual beings of intemporate human experiences. And it didn't. It kind of happened by accident, but basically I was inside of my room. I lived right outside here in Vegas in Sloan, which is like a couple miles south of the M resort in the middle of Nowhere. That's where I had my spiritual awakening. I lived with my mom at the time, and it was like, in my brothers and my sisters. And basically what I did is I was in, like, this in between state of being awake and asleep. And what happened was, is as I was, like, drifting off, I was, like, asleep. And then I was, like, above my body, and I went up into the ceiling, and I was able to go, like, through the vent and then hanging over the house. And then I wanted to go. It's going to sound cheesy. I wanted to go somewhere I knew so that I could, like, have reference experience to say, is this real? Because I was like this. Maybe this is just a dream. Right. I floated all the way over to the Whole Foods. That's right off of. That's right. On Town Square.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I went down and I was there inside the Whole Foods. And I was drifting. I was hanging over this cashier. And what I did was I remember chilling there for a couple minutes, and then I went down and there was some, like, paper with pens over it, like, on the desk. And I tried hitting it. And when I tried hitting it, my hand went straight through it. And then I immediately woke up.
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B
Wow.
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A
But I remember later that day, I drove all the way to the Whole Foods just to see if everything looked the same and everything looked the same.
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B
That's crazy.
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A
Is it real? Was it a dream? I don't know. But seeing that, experiencing that was a very mystical thing for me. And that was one of my more memorable astral projection experiences. I've had other times where I'm sleeping with an. I sleep with an eye mask on, and I can see through the eye mask.
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B
Wow.
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A
I'm, like, seeing the room. It's trippy. And then I wake up and I'm like, what the hell just happened? But I'm really fascinated with exploring dreams. Same big Carl Union, Carl Jung, fan of, like. I believe our dreams have information in them that help us understand the energies and the things that we're integrating in life. And I think it's the thing most people just brush off. Oh, I had a weird dream. They. It was cool or it was weird or whatever. If you. If people were to observe their dreams more and people were to, like, find the meaning in it, the subconscious meaning in it. There's so much gold, there's so much to learn. But it's like this untapped thing that people don't study. The way that, like, you know, Carl Jung and Freud and they looked into these different energy patterns But I think, you know, knowing thyself and knowing more about ourselves is so powerful.
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B
Yeah.
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And dreams are like a very. So much potent information. And even if we talk, I think you'll like this. But when we. What I believe happens when we go to bed at night is I believe we reemerge to that larger aspects of who we are. And what happens is we in a way are connected to our astral, they say an astral cord. A lot of people that have had NDEs or that have left their body talk about the astral cord that we're all connected to. We go to bed at night, we reemerge into it anyways. And what happens is when we wake up in the morning, we forget what we're doing in the higher realms. Now what happens is dreaming. Isn't this like we were in an eight hour dream? From what I've read and from the research that I've done, dreaming only really happens as you're coming back into the body for just a couple minutes. And it's information that you're downloading that there's something there for you to learn from.
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B
Wow.
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A
So in a way it's not that you're dreaming for eight hours. You may be out of your body in a higher level of consciousness. You may be teaching people in higher realms. You might be interacting with loved ones, people that have passed on. But when you wake up every morning, you forget it completely about it. And that's why death we think of as this really hard thing, you know, this really like both we're eternal spiritual beings, live in temporary human experiences. Death may be just we completely let go of the physical body and we reemerge into our astral form. And it could be that maybe we're asleep in the higher dimensions right now. Projecting our consciousness here, which is more on some eastern philosophy or some like more esoteric channel texts that talk about this, like the law of one and things like that. But anyways, I think so astral projection, I think is us tuning to a body and a part of ourself that we're already connected to, just consciously becoming aware of it. But every night I think you're astral projecting whether you were. Whether you're aware of it or not. And then when you wake up, so what you're really trying to do is you're not trying to astral project, you're trying to remember the astro and do it consciously so you can dream or you could lucid dream, you know, so.
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B
Dreams have so many meanings. Dude, I keep a dream journal and.
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A
It'S the best way to do it.
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B
Yeah. There'll be points where I'm moving a little too fast and life. And I'll have, like, an animal bite me in my dream, just telling me to slow down.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I look up all the meanings. Like, there's some wild ones I've had, but I used to have. You had the one where you're naked in school.
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A
I've never had that.
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B
Oh, you never had the one.
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A
Maybe I have once, actually.
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B
Yeah, I used to have that one. And I used to have the one where the. The faceless guy would chase you.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
And that was basically me running away from problems in real life.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So in the dream, instead of running away from him, he had a weapon in his hand. I faced him, went away. Never had that dream again.
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A
Isn't that funny? Yeah, that that happened. I've had times where people chase me, and then you have the courage to turn around, and then they. Nothing happens.
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B
Nothing.
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A
Nothing happens. And then you don't continue having that dream, you know, which is, like, very interesting to me.
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B
Yeah. It must be some subconscious stuff going on.
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A
I think it's subconscious. I think for the person, like, if reading online what things mean is your way of, like, interpreting it. It's like your own intuition, your own consciousness knows. And a lot of times it's also powerful to, like, tune into what is my intuitive sense on this, because sometimes you look up some very specific thing, like you had a porcupine with wrenches on the back of it instead of, like, spikes or something like that. It's like, is there stuff on Google? There probably is, you know, but there's like, a way of understanding that. It's like, what does this mean to me? You know, what am I trying to fix? Or. I don't know. I'm just. It was kind of just grabbed that out of the random hat. But yeah, I think dreams are like a gift of us. And I've had a reoccurring dream that I have every so often. I actually had it last night, funny enough. I had this dream. I have this dream where I used to. I mean, I used to sell women's shoes before I was on YouTube. I sold women's shoes for eight years. Sales commission, job. And then in 2017, I started making daily YouTube videos. My whole life changed, and I started committing to that. But I always have this dream that I was working at Barneys New York or Nordstrom's. We here in, you know, here at the fashion show mall. I worked at Nordstrom's for five years. And then I worked at Barney's New York for five years. I have this dream that I'm back at my 9 to 5 job selling women's shoes. And I know I'm a YouTuber that has all this abundance that, like, has a completely different lifestyle, but I'm still choosing. I'm still, like, there at that 9 to 5 job. And the message for me is, and it's just reoccurring dream that comes. It's like I put myself in a 9 to 5 box. Even though I don't have a 9 to 5 job anymore, I put so much pressure on myself to always, like, you know, continue to be making certain number of videos a week, putting out certain number of content, doing live events. And I've kind of created sometimes my own box where I'm still in my own familiar 9 to 5 job. It's instead of having a boss, I'm my own boss. But it's a reflection of that energy. So anyways, that's like a dream that I ironically had last night. And it changes a little bit some of the information.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I think, like, looking at what are reoccurring dreams you have, what are reoccurring themes you're experiencing, and then allowing yourself to, like, grow or to get the lesson. You know what I mean?
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B
Dude. Going back to the remote viewing, it's actually crazy to think that the government has access and knows about that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because now they could just go wherever they want.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They could go to Russia and see all their hidden nukes or whatever they want to.
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A
Well, on the other side of this, what I would imagine would happen is you have people that can remote view their own consciousness. Kind of puts a new perspective. I remember watch. You remember watching Stranger Things?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You remember 11 what she could do, where she got into the hyperbaric, like the chamber, the water, and she could, like, project herself. In some ways, I think that, yes, it can be used to obtain information. So maybe they're projecting their consciousness to Russia. They could also have people, though, in Russia that are also like, cyclically connected, that are blocking that from happening to certain spots.
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B
Wow.
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A
Or certain types of things set up to where they don't get that kind of information. So it could be this war on consciousness in a way where there's. There's different. Like, it's almost like these X men type like, abilities.
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B
That's crazy.
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A
But they've been studying with. They've been studying it for a long time.
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B
Yeah. This isn't some grandfather Knew about it. I mean, that's crazy.
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A
Yep. Yeah, he was very aware of it, and. Yeah, it's very interesting.
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B
Yeah. So if anyone wants to find out what's at Area 51, just remote view and remote view.
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A
Unless they have those things set up. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah. Find out if there's aliens there, man.
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A
Right.
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B
I know you take ayahuasca twice a year.
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A
Yep.
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B
I saw that on a video. Have you seen aliens while you were on those journeys?
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A
I personally have not.
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B
Oh, wow.
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A
I have. I mean, I've had. I've. Since 2012, when I went through my awakening, I've had very mystical experiences where I've connected to, like, maybe ET Consciousnesses or something like that. But on the medicine, especially the medicine that I do, it's a certain Brazilian medicine where the shaman, they've been doing it for, like, 20 years. You know, they. It's a much more grounded medicine. So it's much more. I connect to my own subconscious, and it's less etherically, like, so you don't hallucinate. Not. Not as much. Some people do. Some people do have those very hallucinogenic ET Connection. I mean, I've heard stories of people connecting to many different types of beings. You know, I feel connected. I believe extraterrestrial races are connected to Earth already. I think that when we go to bed at night, we're connected to these different realms and these different beings.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I think they're very. In some ways, very similar to us. They're different. I don't even think that they're. When we think of ets, we think of them that's like them over there. I think some of these extraterrestrial races, this information that we've been connected to. I think there are other versions of us. There are other versions that we're connected to that we've just forgotten, because when we come to Earth, we forget who we are to then remember who we are. So, yeah, ets, for me, are. Yeah. Very interesting. I mean, I think they've been around for thousands of years, the information and different versions of it, and we're just now kind of reemerging with that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Have you ever heard of the Dolores Cannon books?
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B
I've heard of her. Like, manifestation stuff. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. She, Dolores Cannon, was known for making it to a hypnosis technique called Q ht Quantum healing hypnosis technique. And basically, it's a deep level of hypnosis where people. Subconscious mind comes through to explain different things to, like, the hypnosis practitioner. And a lot of times people come out, they don't even remember what they said. It's like on a tape recorder. And like I said, that's. And what happens is people's subconscious mind comes through and there's 10,000 plus people all over the world that have been under this specific modality called Q H, H, T. Yeah. And people have said very consistent things. One of the things that's consistently said is that people's higher self, their subconscious mind comes through and said, why do I incarnate at this time? Why didn't I incarnate. There's a shift in consciousness that's happening on the planet, and you wanted to be a part of the shift. You wanted to be alive during this time on the planet where there was more transformation that can be had than any other time before. Another thing is talked about a lot is people talk about subconsciously. They're not all in like a WhatsApp group text, like text. Just say this in the. In the hypnosis meditation, you know, it's all happening all around the world. People say that they're connected to these different extraterrestrial races that before they came to Earth. Because in the books, the three Waves of Volunteers, it talks about this. It talks about how in 1940s or 19, when we were exploring with atomic bombs, there was this ripple that was put out into the universe. Because the rule with our reality is we have free will. We are allowed to do what we want to ourselves as a collective consciousness on Earth. When we start doing things that affect other reality systems, that's a no.
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B
No.
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A
So when an atomic bomb goes off, it ripples out into other reality systems.
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B
Wow.
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A
So what it said in these books, through thousands of people under this deep level of hypnosis, is that we came here partially because we heard a call that was put out, and that this call that was put out was that Mother Earth, Gaia, whatever we want to call this planet this. This reality was in, was in danger of destroying itself. That was the timeline we were on. So what happened? As many souls that felt a calling to Earth, that felt a connection to Earth, maybe in past lives, maybe just through some type of heart connection from all over the world, different ET like connections, whatever, decided to come back to Earth at this time, forget who they are to then remember who they are, to be a part of the shift that's happening on the planet. So in a way, it was like that call was put out from the atomic bomb in the 1940s. And since then we've had Such an interesting amount of people coming, being born onto this planet. You know, it seems like kids nowadays are so much more evolved or aware than the, you know, than 50, 60 years ago.
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B
Wow. And there's been no bombing since too, so.
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A
Yeah, well, they've said. I've heard things where there's been. They've maybe tried to put out nuclear bombs and stuff. And the. There's maybe some type of intervention where it's just not allowed to happen in certain ways.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know what I mean? Like at certain mass levels, maybe. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah. That is fascinating, man.
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A
So, yeah, so Dolores Cannon her books, they're just transcripts of. Of hypnosis, like interactions with people. But many people say, you know, that subconscious, whatever you call it that, you know, we pick our parents. We. Even if we didn't like our parents, even if you're adopted or whatever, it's like we pick our parents because the life lessons we're learning. Earth is kind of like a school that we come to learn. Raising our vibration, elevate our consciousness is part of, like, why we came here. But we forget all of this when we're born. And that's why spiritual awakening is becoming aware that we are these eternal spiritual beings live in temporary human experiences. And then deciding what we do with that.
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B
It's so crazy knowing that you picked the life you're living right now, that you picked it beforehand.
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A
Yeah, maybe you picked. You know, I think astrology is very interesting. They say, you know, from these books or whatever it says we pick the exact moment of our birth. Even if you're C section, even if you're, you know, we pick that of when we come into this planet because there's a certain vibrational energy that happens from all the planets, all interactive, how much power we give to that. You know, sometimes people like astrology has power over me. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying there's a certain momentum of energy that. That may go into why we chose the moment that we were born, why we chose the parents that we have, why we chose some of the lessons. Maybe we chose at a higher level. Of course, we don't want to choose higher. You know, childhood trauma and abuse and like sexual abuse and all these things. But at a higher level, we are these eternal, grand spiritual beings that we've forgotten who we are. And maybe there was something for us to learn. I know me, the most traumatic things I've been through in my past led to my spiritual awakening in a weird way, if I didn't go through those. I don't know if I'd have a million and a half YouTube subscribers. I don't know if I would be doing the kind of work that I'm doing if I didn't go through that trauma. So. So it's easy to, you know, it's hard to look back and maybe see exactly, you know, how everything happened. But I think we all came here to be a part of this shift in consciousness happening. And it's all about remembering who we are and reconnecting to that eternal part of ourselves as eternal spiritual beings that have forgotten this. At least that's my belief.
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B
No, I agree, man. What do you think is after the human form? Do you think we become aliens?
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A
I think aliens, I think from. From a connection that we're at right now, past and future is an illusion. Everything exists here and now. So those realities where you're an ET or you have some past connection to a different time period on Earth, they exist right now. So they're just different streams of consciousness. So I think when we die beyond this life, or not, even when we die, we go to bed at night, we're connected to different reality systems. We may be connected to versions of ourselves that are on some futuristic extraterrestrial civilization. You may be connected to yourself from the past, from a past life, or from something that happened 2,000 years ago. And you're learning from each other. So just like you're reaching to a future version of you that is in some extraterrestrial race, they're reaching back to you. That's in this reality.
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B
Wow.
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A
So, in an interesting way, I believe that we just can. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I believe that when we shed our physical form, we connect to our astral form, and that then we're in the higher state of consciousness where we have the ability to choose what we connect to. I think it's much more. I think it's very blissful. I think it's not with the trauma and the heaviness of our physical body, but I think that right now we're all like. When people say, I'm a starseed, I'm connected to the stars, we look at the spiritual person who says that.
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B
I've seen those. Yeah.
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A
You know, you say, oh, they're so ungrounded. Everyone, I believe, is a form of, quote, unquote, starseed. Everyone has connections to more than just this life right here, right now. So we're eternal spiritual beings. We're vast spiritual souls having a. A very temporary time on this planet of a life in a very limited 3D physical body.
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B
Yeah.
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A
We all have connections. No one's more significant. It's not like that. That dude with Dread, you know, this person over here that has this connection to some starseed civilizations more special, they just may be focused on it. And sometimes I think people focus a little bit too much on it to where they get kind of lost. And instead of being physically here and now.
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B
Yeah. There's people that have gone down too.
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A
I've seen it happen. I've been. I've been. Back in 2012 when I my through awakening, I was so fascinated by all of this, but I became ungrounded. And I think the key is knowing we're all multi dimensional, physical, eternal, spiritual beings that in this moment right now have connections to ET civilizations that we have parallel incarnations in, not future incarnations. Parallel. It exists now.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And just like you're connecting to them, they're probably connecting to you. Same with the past. So when you heal in the present moment, I think you heal in the past and you heal in the future.
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B
Yeah, I love that, man. Yeah. Because time is just made up. It's. If you think about it.
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A
Right. Yeah. They're just telling you it's a concept.
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B
Yeah. This is the clock, this is the date. But it's all. It's not linear, right?
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A
Right. Yeah, not at all. It's this thing that exists. The only thing that exists is this moment right now.
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B
Right.
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A
And what we think of as time is, you know, goes into our memory bank. And that's the cool thing about memories too. When people say, oh, this happened to me in the past, every time you remember something in your mind, you take it out of the memory bank, you look at it, you change the memory, and then you put it back in. So by the time you've remembered something a thousand times, it may be a completely different memory.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But that was another moment now. So it's like, that's why when you heal now, you also heal the past version of you.
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B
That's true.
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A
Which is very interesting.
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B
Yeah. So we're basically in a simulation kind of.
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A
I think simulation. It's. I'd say more like a virtual reality. Like, have you done Vision Pro yet?
- [46:02]
B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
It's. It's bananas, it's sick, it's bonkers.
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B
It feels like. Ready Player one. Like the movie, it.
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A
It feels like you're there. Like whatever you're experiencing, you're experiencing. And what if from a consciousness point of view, we're already doing a version of that. What if we're asleep in spirit? Projecting our consciousness here, kind of like the Matrix, but a simulation also kind of insinuates that it's all already set.
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B
Right.
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A
I think there's an in. There's. There's many different realities that exist based on the choices we make in this reality. But we wanted to come here to experience and to make choices.
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B
Free will.
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A
Free will. So that otherwise, what's the point? It's like, oh, you just plug it into, like, you know, the simulation also is very much connected to, like a computer.
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B
Right.
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A
And it feels kind of sterile. When I think from more of a virtual reality perspective, it's like, it feels a little bit more interactive, a little bit more soul connected, you know, where it's like there's this larger aspect of us projecting our consciousness here, but in essence, yes, like a version of that, because this isn't. I know Elon Musk said this a couple years ago, but, like, he thinks there's less than a fraction of a percentage, that this is baseline reality. You know, And I. I think that it's highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely that when you look.
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B
At numerology, astrology, there's too many things, too many patterns. Too many patterns, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's spot on. I used to put it to the side growing up. But no, there's just so much, so many things line up with that stuff as.
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A
As with anything. People can get lost in it. Or you could see it as a powerful tool.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think numerology, I think astrology, I think they're very powerful tools. Like, I had a Vedic reading, Vedic astrology, which has been around even longer than traditional astrology. But this Vedic astrologer was able to look at my past and to tell me all the times major things happen in my life.
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B
Wow.
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A
What happened when you were five? I was like, oh, my parents divorced. What happened in 2012? Oh, this happened. What happened here? You helped someone get over addiction in 2011. Like, all these things that were very specific. Yeah, because there's so much. With Vedic astrology, there's so many specifics of, like, different. What are called dashes that you're in. But anyways, it's just fascinating because I looked at my past and I'm like, oh, wow, this was accurate. This was accurate. This was accurate. This was accurate.
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B
You know, I'd love to try that out, by the way.
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A
Yeah, I'll connect you to someone.
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B
Yeah, that sounds cool, man.
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A
Yeah.
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B
My spiritual coach will answer just about anything, but she actually won't answer when you will die. So do you think that date is predetermined or do you think you have free will over the day you die?
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A
I think it's a little bit of both. I think that in general, we come onto this planet, we forget who we are to remember who we are. And there's certain windows that we know that might be beyond that might be the time that we choose to leave. But based on certain things happening, that kind of determines when that window is and what choices we make. I think that when it comes to predictions, from my experience in the past of dealing with people that are clairvoyant and things like that, I don't think there is a specific prediction of the future because the future is always changing based on the present moment, actions and choices you make about who you are, your present moment energy.
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B
Right.
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A
So I don't know if anyone. I mean, I've heard some interesting stories though.
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B
I will say that they predicted the exact day that someone.
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A
Yeah, maybe not the exact day, but like time range. Yeah, I will say I will. Yeah. It gets tricky. I don't, I don't honestly know. But I. I think that it's interesting.
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B
Because my mom went to a psychic. She said all this stuff, you're getting married in X amount, you're gonna do this, but none of it happen.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because like you said, you could change.
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A
And also the timing of things is very interesting. I had, I found out recently. So my mom died back in December, not that long ago. And there's a psychic type person that's very clairvoyant that I go to. And she didn't tell me this and it's probably a good thing she didn't tell me this. But she told one of my friends that she was also reading for that something's gonna happen to Aaron's mom and it's gonna very much change him.
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B
Damn.
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A
And she told me this recently cause I was hanging out with her and she's like, yeah, this person said this was going to happen and it did happen. And I thought that was interesting. And I was like, I understand why she didn't tell me. If so, if I would. Because my mom was 56 years old. Oh, that's happened. Out of nowhere. She had a heart attack out of frickin nowhere. You know, it's all good, man. I feel, I feel more connected to her than I ever have because there is a spiritual connection, dude.
- [50:12]
B
Same. So my dad passed away two years ago at 62.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I've never felt More connected.
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A
Is that. Is that crazy?
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B
Crazy.
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A
So it kind of. I think when people die, a lot of times it helps people focus more on their spiritual side.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it makes people ask themselves, like, what is life? What is death? Am I really living? What really matters to me? But also. Yeah. When my mom passed, I felt she chose her time. She wanted to go out quick. She smoked for a long time and stuff, but she didn't. I don't think she had heart issues. You know, not heart issues. But she died of a heart attack.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I think it all happened. I think, in an interesting way. She chose it.
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B
Wow.
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A
And it was very traumatic for my siblings and I. I had to fly. That's why I was here. I remember when we were talking about going on, coming on the podcast. I came here in December, but I was coming here because my mom passed, and it was like, I didn't want to, like, hey, do you want to do the podcast?
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B
That's a weird thing.
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A
Yeah, the weird thing. But. But it was very. I feel more connected to her than ever. And you feel more connected to your dad than ever. I think it's really cool. I think that it reminds us that we are. And I think in Dreamtime, when you go to bed at night, you're connected to this larger aspect of yourself. You're probably connected to him, but you come back and you don't remember it physically. Or sometimes you do.
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B
Yeah. No. He's been in a few dreams. I've gotten some closure on what happened, and it's been great, dude. Getting to hear his perspective on. Because he was a complicated man, to be honest.
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A
Really. So it's probably very healing for you to hear that.
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B
Very healing. Because it was hard to understand him. He had Asperger's. He had a lot of physical trauma growing up on the farm from his dad. And I guess I never fully understood it because a lot of people don't open up.
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A
Right.
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B
A lot of people aren't vulnerable, especially guys.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So that was a big healing moment for me.
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A
I bet. Yeah. It's almost like his higher. Like a higher aspect of him was able to explain things to you that then. A lot of healing comes from understanding, you know.
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B
Yeah. Like you said, just being observant. Right. That was 90 of it. And. Right. Raising my vibration the past year is something I spent a lot of time on, and I am so observant now.
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A
What do you think was the biggest shift when you started, like, raising your vibration? Was there one thing that you think made a big deal more yeah, I've.
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B
Been trying to identify because the past few months, it seems lately I'm just so aware and I don't know what that moment was, but I think just talking to people like you definitely helped. Yeah, I do a lot of grounding now. I do a lot of WIM HOF breath work, so I think just the accumulation of all that. But I walk around so different now. Dude, that's awesome. Yeah, I used to walk around like a straight npc, just like part of the. Part of the system. And now I'm just so aware.
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A
That's awesome.
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B
I could feel it, you know?
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A
Yeah.
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B
I wonder if there's ways to measure your vibration.
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A
Well, I know there's ways to measure the planet's vibration. Like back in 2020 when everything Covid was happening, everything, we did this guided meditation where we're doing a big unity meditation where people all over the world were focused on love and peace to like change the collective consciousness. I had 12,000 people on my YouTube channel for a 30 minute meditation. And there were people all over the world doing this meditation. Wasn't just me. And the next day the Schumacher, it's called the Schumann resonance. The Schumann resonance the next day, which measures the field of the planet was off the chart. So it was like bright white the whole entire, like the whole entire day. And the Maharishi effect, which is. Have you ever heard of the Maharishi effect? When you get 5,000 transcendental meditators together to meditate on peace and love in the world for days afterwards, there is a huge decrease in violent crimes on the planet.
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B
Wow.
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A
It just trickles on.
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B
The whole world can feel it.
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A
The whole world energetically affects the whole world. So what happens is when we were getting together in April of 2020 to do this meditation and the Schumann resonance was going off the charts the next day. People also had very powerful experiences. I know, I felt it when I was doing the guided meditation with 12,000 people focused on it and us doing mind, heart coherence and like, you know, bringing high vibration energy into the body. It completely. People had very transformative experiences. But for days afterwards, the Schumann resonance was shifting. And the Maharishi effect is a real thing that like we do it at live events where we get people together. And it is so powerful to have unity and thought in mind with thousands of people. I believe that in our reality we're connected to this collective consciousness. And when you look out into the world and you see the fear, the anger, the media, the separation that it creates, it creates stagnant energy, it creates dispersed energy. When you keep people in fear and anger, they're much easier to control. Now the counteracting to this energy is us coming together with mind and heart coherence. It's us teaming up our energy fields, bringing high vibrational energy into our body, grounding it into the planet. It's so powerful because it's not just one of us doing it. When there's tens, when there's thousands or tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands or millions of us doing it, it can very powerfully affect the planet. And there's the Schumann resonance to show that as a reflection, as it, it measures that, which I think is very powerful.
- [54:48]
B
Incredible. So this is why ancient civilizations were so powerful then, because they could have been. They all used to do that, right?
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A
Yeah, I think they all did a lot of group, I think group intention, you know, group meditation. I think group meditation is one of the things that will completely transform our planet moving forward.
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B
Wow, that's exciting.
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A
And I think that, Yeah, I think our thoughts and I think around our body we have a thought form that are cumulative thoughts that are in our bot and around our body based on what we're consistently thinking and feeling. But when we get together and we create a massive positive thought.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And a positive energy that we bring viscerally into the body, it just ripples out into our reality in a very powerful way. And that's the real way that we can change the planet in the world is by changing ourselves, but also connecting our energy fields together in mind and heart coherence. And not being a victim to all the media and all the government, all the drama that's happening.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because otherwise you just stay stuck in that. You give your power away. The conspiracy theories and all these things, you end up giving all that power away.
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B
Yeah. That's low vibration activity. Right. Listen, the news and the media. Yeah, I did that for years, man.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And you could feel it. You could feel like depression.
- [55:50]
A
What kind of dreams were you having when you're watching the news and media? Or even conspiracy theory rabbit holes.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because you might get into that. I did for a while.
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B
I did too.
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A
Very fascinated by it. But I realized, man, when I focus on this, it affects my energy.
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B
I used to watch videos of drama, just people talking shit and like I don't do it anymore.
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A
You watch Jerry Springer or something?
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B
Yeah.
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A
What's in your energetic field?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know what I mean? Like drama, problem, chaos. And then when you meet other people, you're interacting with that parts of Them because it's active in your field.
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B
Yeah, you know, I'm very aware of the field now. Now when I meet someone, I kind of feel their energy without even talking to them. And I could feel it right away.
- [56:25]
A
Yeah. Subconsciously, even, like, not through visual cues, but it's just energetic. You can just feel it. You can feel whether someone has good intentions. You can feel whether someone has clean energy or, like, not that we just say good energy, got bad energy, but you can just feel when someone resonates with you, when someone doesn't.
- [56:39]
B
Yep.
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A
And it's all done energetically because our energy bodies expand much further beyond than just. Than just our physical form, you know?
- [56:46]
B
Yeah. They say 10ft, right? 15ft. Yeah. Certain people walk in a room, you feel it, man.
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A
Right. 100.
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B
So how do you raise your energy field?
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A
I believe the most powerful thing that has changed my life is meditation.
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B
Okay.
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A
It's meditating now. Meditation has a whole bunch of misconductations. One of the things that worked the best for me in 2012 when I had my spiritual awakening was staring at a candle flame and observing my thoughts. Breathing in, breathing out. Not trying to control my thoughts before that. For two or three days, I was trying to control my thoughts. Don't want to think bad thoughts because I'll create something bad. I keep thinking negative thoughts. No, no, no. And it would cause more resistance. When I learned how to observe my thoughts from a neutral place, they'd come in, I'd let them be there, then they would go. I started to feel this spaciousness inside of myself. Within three weeks of doing this type of meditation, I went from feeling on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 feeling like really good and 1 feeling like crap. I was at about a 3 out of 10. That was my base point. I felt like kind of like shit. I would smoke weed or I would drink alcohol, or I'd take Adderall cause I had adhd. I was labeled as having AD at the time, and it would bring me up to a 5, but then I would drop back down to a 3 once it wore off. I learned meditation. I started to feel more present. I started to observe my thoughts more. I was observing a lot of my childhood beliefs and things like that. I started to feel different. And I don't know how to describe it other than a couple weeks later, I was walking around my room and I was like, I feel different. I don't want this feeling to go away. I felt at about a 7 or 8 out of 10, I felt high. And then from that point moving forward, I quit smoking weed. I quit taking Adderall. I quit drinking. And I would just meditate once in the morning, once at night for 15, 10, 15 minutes. That was it. Like in the beginning. I would do other longer meditations sometimes, or I would, like, like be in the sun and stuff like that, but it wasn't. It wasn't that much. But meditation, by far, meditation and following your purpose are the things like following your excitement. They're the most important things, I think, because meditation allows you to observe your thoughts.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It allows you to neutralize negative thinking. It allows you to realize you may think thoughts, but you're not your thoughts. You create space inside of yourself, and then you're also more present, and then that also allows other negative emotions to come up. Because people think high vibe means don't feel low vibe emotions. You want to feel the lower vibrational emotions that you hadn't felt before because you allow them to come up, to be processed and to go away.
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B
Love it.
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A
And then from there, following your purpose, following your passion, following your excitement, living life on your terms will affect your life more than anything else as well.
- [59:18]
B
So much. I wake up every morning now pumped. But it wasn't like that before.
- [59:21]
A
Yeah, I mean, you, you're probably, you're. You're doing a lot of podcasts now. I see this facility, which is awesome. And I imagine you're just constantly in.
- [59:28]
B
Flow, inspiring people, changing lives, saving lives, educating them on topics like this. That's not mainstream. Yeah, it's so just, you know, it feels amazing. And. Yeah, no, for years I woke up and felt terrible because I wasn't in alignment with my purpose.
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A
Right. So that probably is one of the major things people listening can, can try to, you know, find out, get information on what your purpose could be, what your passion could be, and start living it. You know, you can make a choice about who you are and start being it. And even just setting the intention to figure out what that is. You'll start to see reflections in reality books that pop out at you, you know, but like, finding that thread of following the excitement you could think of as excitement is the body's translation of your higher self, of this connection you have to your higher self telling you go in this direction.
- [60:12]
B
Yeah.
- [60:12]
A
So follow that excitement and whatever that means. It might not be just do this podcast every day, but it might be like, go for a walk with your girlfriend, go for a walk with your dog, go eat some food. Like, you follow your excitement in every moment. It compounds over time.
- [60:24]
B
Absolutely. Aaron. This has been super fun, man. Anything you want to promote or close off with?
- [60:28]
A
No, just the YouTube channel is my name. AaronDoughty.com live events I'm running. I'm moving more into live events now than anything else.
- [60:35]
B
Any events coming up?
- [60:36]
A
I have March 2nd and 3rd. I have a live event coming up.
- [60:38]
B
Cool. So where's that up?
- [60:40]
A
That's in Austin, Texas. It's a two day the Met. The the events are mainly meditation experiences that use group energy.
- [60:46]
B
Nice.
- [60:46]
A
And creating a safe space for people to really process and heal from the past. They take on a life of their own. And what makes it magical is the people that show up and the people that are dedicated doing the work. And it's. It's a Matt. We. I love. I love every one of them.
- [61:00]
B
Love it. We'll link it below guys if you're interested in the events. Thanks so much for coming on, man.
- [61:03]
A
Thanks for coming on, man. It's been awesome.
- [61:04]
B
Absolutely. Thanks for watching guys. As always. See you tomorrow.