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Epstein Was Being Controlled by Something Much DARKER? | DSH #1971
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| DSH #1971 Was Epstein part of something much bigger? In this episode, Jay Dyer breaks down the deeper power structures surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, Hollywood, intelligence agencies, blackmail networks, Vatican banking, Bitcoin theories, propaganda, censorship, and the future of AI surveillance. Jay explains why he believes Epstein was not at the very top, but a high-level political fixer connected to larger banking, intelligence, and geopolitical networks. He also dives into Hollywood’s long relationship with intelligence agencies, how propaganda gets embedded into movies, why alternative media may be the next target, and how the Epstein files changed the public conversation forever. This conversation goes from debate culture and theology to intelligence operations, CIA-Hollywood connections, Robert Maxwell, AI courts, Bitcoin, fiat currency, social engineering, and why modern entertainment may be shaping more than just culture. A wild conversation about power, propaganda, ...
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Jay Dyer
I think most of the Western intelligence agencies have a really deep connection going back to the very earliest days of Hollywood. That was something that surprised me when I started researching and writing on this. And he's explained to him how the Vatican bank works. I thought that was really crazy. And why does Jeffrey Epstein have such an intimate knowledge of how the Vatican bank works? It's crazy.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, that's pretty nuts. So that being said, when you think of a totem pole, would you put him at the top? Because there's some people that think he's a bond. There's some people that think he took orders from someone. But where do you put him? All right, guys, got Jay on the show today. My man was up late last night debating, but I got him in the morning here. How's it going, man?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I'm a little groggy. We had a long three hour debate, but yeah, glad to be with you, man. Thanks for having me.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I tuned into a little bit of it. Gnostic Informant, right? That was who you were going up against?
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Jay Dyer
It was. It was. It was fun. I don't think he. He won, but I'm biased because I was in it. But yeah, it was fun.
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Podcast Host
Did they pull the audience or you kind of just read the comments and felt.
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Jay Dyer
I pulled the audience, but yeah, I was gonna say I was right.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. You're doing a lot of debates these days, man. I love it. How long you been doing debates for?
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Jay Dyer
You know, I've been debating for probably 25 years. I started back when I was about 20, around the year 2000 and then. But doing it sort of publicly in the. In YouTube sphere and all that. We started about 10 years ago with a lot of atheist debates, and then it branched out into debating Muslims and messianic Jews and, you know, you name it, like atheists, it's all over the place. So I've been doing it for about eight or 10 years on YouTube.
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Podcast Host
That's insane, because back then, I'm sure the money wasn't as good as now, right?
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Jay Dyer
No, like, in fact, there wasn't even really a huge debate culture on YouTube back then. But I started out in the domain of blood sports. So back when that was kind of kicking off and it was tied with a lot of drama, that kind of propelled, you know, the online debate sphere to get. To get bigger. And at the same time, you had people like Crowder that was going out and doing debates, you know, with, like, college students. And so it was kind of similar, you know, tracks of people doing debate. And then now it's kind of blown up, you know, with the Crucible and all that kind of stuff, whatever, podcast and so forth.
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Podcast Host
How do you feel about the current state of the debate culture? I see mixed opinions on it. But as someone that participates in them, what do you feel like is going on exactly?
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Jay Dyer
Quick, that's a good question, because a lot of people about the fact that people kind of get aggressive. And I think you can do both styles. Like, I don't see any problem with if you want to have an open, you know, just going at it, you know, bloodsport style where everybody's just, you know, doing it, that's fine with me. I do that too. And. And I do formal debates, so I don't see a problem with. With both formats. Yeah, there's advantages both ways. Blood sports are more entertaining, but formal debate can be, you know, you can learn a lot from a formal debate, for sure.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I dabble with both. I think they're both needed. There's an audience for both of them for sure. Exactly. Do you kind of have a hit list of who you want to debate next or you kind of just take it day by day?
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Jay Dyer
Man, you know what, it's been pretty hard in the last year to get anybody to do it. So I know that sounds kind of douchebaggy, but, like, I'm being serious. We've had a hard time finding anybody. I reached out to probably 20 different people. I'd like to debate Trent Horn on the geopolitics of the Vatican because he seems to really want to cover up the. The, you know, implications of the Vatican, not just with Epstein, but also like other previous PDF creeps like Jimmy Savile and, you know, really, the Vatican, I think it's. Its actions are better explained by the geopolitical stuff than any kind of appeal to the supernatural. So I'd love to debate some Roman Catholic on that. Trent Horn or somebody like that. Like to debate maybe one of the big atheists like Sam Harris or somebody like that. We were going to do Alex o' Connor cosmic skeptic debate. Ended up backing out of that. That was going to be on Piers Morgan. So, you know, it's people like that. I think I'd like to debate people like that.
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Podcast Host
That one would have done numbers. I'm surprised he backed out, actually.
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Jay Dyer
Well, that was right after he had debated John Lennox and a lot of people think he didn't do too good in that debate. So he kind of cosmic said he was going to start stepping away from the theology theistic debates. So yeah, bad timing I guess for me.
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Podcast Host
There's this one dude I wanted to ask you about because he made a video calling you out, but also he's actually been on my show. Professor Dave. What do you think about him? Would you debate him?
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Jay Dyer
Well, the thing is the way I argue, I'm a philosophy guy. I come out of the domain of philosophy, so I've always argued the transcendental argument for God. So when it comes to people that are atheists or non believing type people, like that's the approach I take. You know, if I'm debating a Roman Catholic, we're going to debate the papacy and that kind of stuff.
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Podcast Host
Stuff.
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Jay Dyer
But if it's in the atheist domain, you know, that's my training, that's my debate. And from what I understand, he won't debate that topic. He'll only debate like creation versus evolution. And I, I have views on that, but I've never debated the creation versus evolution thing in the public sphere. So it's not really my domain.
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Podcast Host
I can see that. Yeah, he's, he's tough to set up debates for. I've, I've pitched a few people to him. There's some people that are very picky, I noticed. You know, I guess it's kind of makes sense because if you lose really badly, your reputation's kind of tanked.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I mean, I think thankfully we've had a really good track record debate in the last eight or 10 years. Like I don't think there's any people might have some debates they could point to where they think I didn't do that. Great. But even those, I don't think people think that I got, you know, trounced or lost really. Most of the debates that we've had with high profile people have turned out pretty good.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
So I'm always down to debate most Muslims, atheists, whoever. But the other problem I've had is like we've had some other high profile Protestants who you know, thought maybe we could get a debate with West Hoff, somebody like that, but he didn't want to do it. Need God.net was going to do a debate but then he had this really weird, like precise, like he didn't want to do, he wanted to do a, a premise that I didn't agree to. And so now it's getting to where everybody wants the, the premises that make to be really precise. And it's, it's almost like getting to the point of like am I gonna have to sign like a legal contract before I do rebate? Now, so it's just getting hard.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. People don't know behind the scenes how difficult these are to set up. Because I, I moderate a lot of debates and like setting them up for Myron Gaines or, you know, Wilson, like, I get a lot of no's. It's, it's actually insane.
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Jay Dyer
I know. I didn't even know you were doing all that. I mean. Yeah, like, just trying to reach out to people, get them to agree. It's, it's a huge challenge. You have to always finagle with it, reword it. And I think a lot of times too, like you said, like some people just, especially if they're bigger, like, because a lot of times people say, jay, why don't you debate Richard Dawkins, debate Sam Harris, whoever. Well, if you're a really high profile person like that, like, you don't really have any advantage debating a, you know, smaller audience person or a lesser known person.
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Podcast Host
Right.
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Jay Dyer
Like, I mean it's, it's all, it only benefits me, you know what I mean? They have a lot to lose. So for, so for high profile people, like, there's just not a lot of incentive, you know, to, to engage in that kind of a debate.
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Podcast Host
I mean, the example I think of when you say that is West Huff versus Billy Carson. How that debate pretty much, you know, destroyed the business firm, destroyed his, literally destroyed his life for a certain amount of time, you know.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. I mean, we've seen a few people in the debate sphere come and go. Usually debates don't destroy somebody's career. But I think Billy Carson like hinged so much on, you know, a couple kind of dubious claims that if Wes Hoff was successful in debunking that, like. Yeah, I mean, it just showed, I think how flimsy, you know, what, what Billy Carson hinged everything on. But also too, I think a key to not getting troun debates is knowing your limits and your specialty. And hence why, like I'm not going to go debate a topic that I don't know well for sure, because again, I probably would lose. Right. There's a lot of academic PhDs, professors that they have more advanced degrees in specific areas of philosophy that they would probably beat me. So, you know, even I'm gonna selectively choose. Everybody's gonna selectively choose debates. So, yeah, if that makes sense.
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Podcast Host
Other than debates, what's the main focus for you? Are you diving into the files pretty heavily these days?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, we spent the last couple weeks on my channel and on the Alex Jones show going pretty hardcore. I've spent about 30, 40 hours non stop live streaming about it. Wow. We got some good traction on some of those really long live streams, which surprised me. But yeah, I mean, I'm heavy. I'm deep into it. It's a topic, though that I've covered for probably 20 years. I read my first book on this stuff back in 2004 on ritual abuse. So it's. I feel like it's a subject I know pretty good, unfortunately, because it's a deep. It's a dark, nasty subject. But. But yeah, I've been heavy on that one. But I also do other stuff too. Like I write for Sam Hyde show and we spend quite a bit of time focusing on that. Just put out my third book as the Turk Hollywood 3, which deals with sex cults and symbols in film. And you know, the first book, funny you mentioned that. The first book had a whole chapter on like Rothchild sex cult parties. So. Hey, yeah, yeah. 10 years ago, dude, I published this right here. Check this out. This is back in 2016. And then this is. This is like analyzing eyes. Analyzing Eyes Wide shut. Here's the. The Rothschild ball with all the masks and the dined up film Ninth Gate. How a lot of these films have like the. The sex trafficking, the sex cults, all that stuff, the blackmail. And it's not accidental that they filmed some of those actual Rothschild mansions. I mean, I think that they're telling us kind of the way the world works Eyes Wide shut. They're throwing it in our face as our eyes are wide shut. So, yeah, that's. That's kind of what I focus on is all that kind of stuff.
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Podcast Host
That's insane. So you must feel so vindicated these days, especially when the files got released.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. In fact, I'll be honest. Like, I was live streaming right when they started dripping out, and I was checking Twitter like every few minutes, and I noticed I'm like, whoa, that's a crazy file. So I was in the midst of the live stream, like live tweeting, like looking at Twitter, and every minute I would refresh, it would be like just a new mind blowing thing that like 10 years ago would have been the biggest news story for like a week, right. Or a month even. I mean, and it was just like every single minute. So I realized, okay, this is huge. And I, in my opinion, this is like the biggest news story of our lifetime. Like up there with like nine. The big nine event up there with Kuf Covid and all this kind of stuff. Like this is up there with like showing Window into the establishment, how we're actually ruled and dominated by just disgusting people.
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Podcast Host
I agree. Because prior it was all hypotheticals, there wasn't evidence. Now we have emails and there's so
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Jay Dyer
much proof, you know, and a lot of books that people wrote a long time ago that were theory have again also been vindicated. Not just mine, but you had like Gordon Thomas wrote a book called Gideon Spies about the Mossad and all their tentacles, any including tentacles into the Vatican, tentacles into operations like being some of them being involved in the assassination of Princess Diana, arms trafficking, all that kind of stuff. He wrote that as a journalist, geopolitical analyst back in 1999. And I think what's come out has actually also vindicated that book. I haven't heard anybody talk about that book in this whole last couple weeks of insanity. But Whitney Webb's book, the classic, of course, volume two, specifically on Maxwell and Epstein, I read that when it came out, same publisher as me, so I got an advanced copy of it. And yeah, I mean that one was just spot on. Most of what Whitney talked about with the Maxwell operation being a front for the Rothchilds, you would pretty much have that totally vindicated now with even Epstein saying, hey, I represent the Rothchilds, I have all these deals, etc. Etc. So yeah, a lot of indication. And even beyond that kind of old school conspiracy stuff with, you know, banking dynasties, you have more on the ground, like crazy, like fixing political fixing for the whole globe. Like he's one of the first dumps that came out. The second day, it was the first day or second day was about how he was going to go meet with like 15 heads of countries. And so he had a schedule where he was like planning to go meet like world leaders, prime ministers all over the globe. So this is like an international James Bond villain level, like Spectre style fixing, consulting operation. Even to the point of like he's in Ukraine a month before Zelensky comes to power. And then a few months later, Zelinsky's like texting saying, I need the, I need some consulting from Jim Ripstein. Help me, help me. He said he's working to overthrow Putin. I mean, it's like he's got his hands in everything. He's explaining to Larry Summers, the Clinton banking viper guy from Harvard. He's explaining to him how the Vatican bank works. I thought that was really crazy. And why does Jeffrey Epstein have such an intimate knowledge of how the Vatican bank works? It's crazy.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, that's pretty nuts. So that being said, when you Think of a totem pole. Would you put him at the top? Because there's some people that think he's a bond. There's some people that think he took orders from someone. But where do you put him?
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Jay Dyer
No, I think that there were people above him. I think he was a high level political fixer. We know that. For example, the Bannon interview, and we live streamed and covered the whole Bannon interview on my, my channel. It was a pretty insightful as long and yappy. But it was, there was some key nugget elements in there. He says early on he was recruited into the Trilateral Commission via the Kissinger network and David Rockefeller. So Rockefeller, who created trilateral just for Brzezinski to run back in the 1970s. And these are like high level, you know, international, again geopolitical players, I guess the best way to say it, kind of management people for the, the global lead, the, the banking empire. So he was recruited into that and put on the steering committee when he was age 30, which is pretty wild. So I think he was high level. But he definitely, anybody recruited in, brought it and brought into that and brought up and taught that. And also being conceivably potentially dispensable. You know, I don't believe he killed himself, but if he was killed in prison, then he's disposable and so he would not be at the top. There's emails where it seems like people are kind of giving him orders, you have permission to kill. You know, did you assassinate the spy? So he's kind of like maybe up there around the Kissinger Brzezinski level person.
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Podcast Host
Okay. Yeah. I mean his Fortnite account's still active, so I don't know if he killed himself.
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Jay Dyer
I saw a claim that people had figured out from the files what some of his passwords were and that they just logged in. But.
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Podcast Host
Okay.
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Jay Dyer
But I don't at all discount the possibility that they could have exfiltrated him from the prison. That's. That's absolutely possible.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. I mean there was too many coincidences that. That's been talked about a lot. But Roy, um, and what are your predictions for the rest of the files? You think those will get released? Do you think Trump will release those?
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Jay Dyer
I mean, it's hard to say because, you know, in my opinion, what I've seen so far, and I'm always open to correction, I'm not seeing Trump explicitly involved in anything directly PDF, but I do think that he's made a huge blunder, huge mistake in covering up and because of pressure from the CIA and other intelligence agencies like Israeli intelligence and British intelligence. I think there's a lot of pressure put on Trump to not release it because, oh, it's going to hurt the stock market and the GDP and the Dow. I mean, that's all ridiculous lines of reasoning. I think it's very destructive for Trump to do this, but he has this tendency to defer to, you know, Israeli interests, Zionist interests. So I think that's a huge part of the story. But as as regards the rest of it, who knows? I mean, nothing would surprise me. But I mean it's, they keep thinking that it's going to go away, the administration. Yeah, it's not going away.
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Podcast Host
I don't think so. I mean it's being talked about every single day now like non stop Twitter without seeing it.
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Jay Dyer
Although if you go to like Boomer News, it doesn't exist. Boomers exist in a different reality, like watching Fox News and if you talk to them about, they're like, what are you, what are you talking about, Jeff? Who? What?
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Podcast Host
It's like actually crazy to me laughing. It's almost like two different worlds, right?
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Jay Dyer
It's two different realities. Yeah, exactly.
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Podcast Host
Wow, that's crazy. And where do you, where do you see Maxwell going? Like, she's been dead silent this whole time, but do you see anything happening with her?
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Jay Dyer
Well, it looks like there's some kind of deal that's being made where she's. The last thing I saw was a couple days ago where she said she will exonerate Trump if she gets a deal. So it's like, well, that almost makes it all worthless. Like now we don't even know if what she's going to publicly say, if she says anything after a deal. You know what I mean? It's like it's, it's all just messed up. The whole justice system makes no sense. It's basically an injustice system. So I don't expect anything substantial to come out of whatever just Lane Maxwell says in some sort of hearing or whatever.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. When you expose all this years back what, what happened here because I had a lot of guys on that were too early on this and they got their whole crew viewers derail. Ben Swan came on the show, he expoked key date and got right.
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Jay Dyer
Well, in fact, the first time I heard about any of this was Alex Jones and Ben Swan. I remember Ben Swan had done an RT report even before Pizzagate, he did an RT report on Lolita Express. And I remember right around that same time, it was probably 2016 or so I remember Alex was talking about Lolita Express, and I remember thinking, what is this? This is like some kind of a high profile thing where they fly people around and they get them to sleep with girls in a, in a jet or something. And I mean, that sounded plausible to me because I. I've been reading about, you know, blackmail and black ops and, you know, this kind of stuff back since the 2000s. So it didn't seem impossible to me. But it was just, I think people didn't know the, the scope and the international scale of this sort of industrial level operation that Epstein was involved in. So it definitely felt like there's something there. It's true. He's obviously some kind of high level scumbag and kind of, you know, vindicates the Illuminati. Then we learned about the island and Little St. James. So the more that came out, it's just like more and more and more vindication over the last 10 years. But yeah, there were definitely some people that were way ahead of the curve. Even back in the 2000s, even in the 90s, there were some people writing books. Like, there's a guy named William Kennedy that wrote a book in 2004 about ritual abuse that has a lot of overlap with this, that was in the domain of the Roman Catholic Church. There's another book about a guy named Kurt Barker about this stuff. And he claims to have been a sort of personal witness to this, that he went through a lot of this stuff. And I remember reading his book in 2015, I was like, this is a little far fetched. I mean, maybe. But now a lot of the stuff he said is like, exactly what we're seeing, like in the Epstein stuff. So I think Chris Barker's been vindicated. You have people like Kathy o' Brien who might have gone a little bit. She's got some weird things in her book Transformation of America, but I think that came out in the 90s and she was saying all the same stuff. So I think many of these survivors, even if their details or stories are a little mixed up, there's definitely some. There's, there's. There's something there. And they've been attacked and had their careers ruined. But, you know, you go back to Ted Gunderson, the FBI guy out of California, all the way back to the McMartin preschool stuff he was saying when he investigated that for the FBI in California, that the McMartin preschool had tunnels underneath it. And everybody in the media, like, the media covered up for that. They called people crazy for that. And I remember one of the first conspiracy videos I watched online back when it was Google video back in the, in the early 2000s. Mid 2000s was Ted Gunderson's lecture on the McMartin Preschool case. And he said, there's tunnels, it's a satanic thing, et cetera, et cetera. Well, it turns out a couple years ago, when they declassified the McMartin preschool stuff, lo and behold, the FBI said, yes, we found evidence of tunnels. So they covered that up. Yeah, isn't that crazy? They covered that up. The guy that created the false Memory Syndrome foundation that was created to say that any kids in the 1980s talking about abuse were having false memories. Well, turns out that guy, Martin Orne, he ended up being convicted for being a PDF himself. So that was all like a disinformation operation to cover up for, I think, elements of the Satanic panic, the 1980s. Elements of that relate to what is the same types of networks of what we're talking about with Epstein.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, the memory stuff's interesting. I saw this morning on Twitter Epstein had some plan. I don't know if you saw this somewhat. I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It alters or removes memories or something.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, it's weird. The first time I came across that, I was watching because, you know, I wrote three books on Hollywood. I was watching an old episode of the Saint with Roger Moore, the guy that would image really be James Bond. So he was on a TV show called the Saint. There's an episode of the Saint where he goes to Latin South America somewhere and somebody like blows this dust in his face and it's called scopolamine and it removes your willpower, right? Well, lo and behold, that's actually something that the CIA studied in their MK Ultra documents. There's a whole list you can look up of the known documents from MK Ultra from the 1950s, 60s, 70s. And one of those is studies on scopolamine. So yes, that is a real thing. And I would not be surprised if Jeffrey Epstein wasn't using that.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, that got exposed today. They found some on his island along with the sulfuric acid that he ordered. A lot of that too, right?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. And it's amazing to me all the blue check mark goblins and goons that are still covering up for this and be like, well, that doesn't prove anything. Where's the proof? There's no proof of anything, dude. There's like photos of like 11 year olds and 5 year olds. What the. What the are you talking about? This is insane. That people would still be, like, trying to be skeptics about that. I mean, we're at the level where anybody who's. I feel like everybody's still a skeptic or, like, covering up for this is just a total piece of 100.
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Podcast Host
There's too much evidence. I mean, I remember when the Wayfarer thing was a conspiracy theory. Pretty much proved that was true.
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Jay Dyer
Just. Well, we've seen. Yeah. There have been many cases where if you look into and read books about human trafficking, I mean, there have been. People have been busted. Like, you know, those big cargo crates full of people. So this has happened countless times. So it's not outside the realm of possibility, even from known established news stories. But take, for example, some of the Epstein stuff that seems to hint at, like, snuff films or things like that. Like, I remember the. The Guardian was saying, like, even a few years ago, they were writing articles saying, there's no such thing as snuff films. They don't even exist. Like, what do you. They don't exist. Like, people have been arrested and gone to jail for this kind of stuff. They made movies in the 90s. Nick Cage was in a movie called 8 Millimeter about this. Like, I'm not saying it's true because it's in a movie, but movies are usually based on some kind of, you know, real event. So, yeah, that they would still be trying to act like, no, this exists is just. To me, it's. It's. But it's the same with the left. Like, in general, like, they don't even believe that men are men and women are women. So it's not surprising to me that they would still be denying this.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, yeah. You've uncovered a lot of symbolism in these Hollywood movies. And now there it's been exposed that the CIA has a lot of ties to Hollywood. Right. That's pretty known at this point.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. I think most of the Western intelligence agencies have a really deep connection going back to the very earliest days of Hollywood. That was something that surprised me when I started researching and writing on this and when I did my grad work. And no, I did not finish my thesis, but I did publish the thesis in peer review. But what I decided to do was, like, write about it instead of writing for academia, because nobody reads academic stuff. But if I wrote a mainline book, a lot of people would read it. So I started looking really deep into, like, the relationship between things that people wouldn't think have a connection. CIA, Hollywood Colts. And lo and behold, I kept noticing, like, oh, well, here's this Hollywood producer. Busted. Doing this. Here's this, you know, sex cult that has, you know, the. Like the broad. The Bronfman's being connected to the Nexium cult. Right. And it's all the people from the Smallville TV show or the Keith Ranier cult. Right, the Nexium cult. So big Hollywood thing. You've got old cases like the black Dalia case. You've got ritual murders in Hollywood going up to the highest levels of producers, directors, a listers. And then this whole other domain of like a list spies. You know, a list actors, women literally being spies throughout. Yeah. World War II, Cold War. Whole list of those people like Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant, Marlene Gutrick, Katherine Heburn. Excuse me, Audrey Heern. She. She did some work for anti Nazi networks in terms of espionage and trying to help them out. So there's like a whole list of this. Sterling Hayden was. Was an OSS operative. A lot of old school Hollywood people, and I think a lot of modern Hollywood people too, have even kind of openly said, like Ben Affleck, he wrote a love letter to the CIA saying, hey, thanks for working with me to make, you know, Argo and various films that he's worked on. So this. A lot of this is even open. So yeah, you go down that rabbit hole and you notice that it sounds crazy, but there's actually a lot of academic literature about this. That's what I. That's what I thought would be interesting to write for a public. A public audience.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I've seen John Kiriakou talk about this former CIA. He said, you're not allowed to portray the CIA in a negative light in any Hollywood movie.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, there's a book that came out in 2000, right after 911 called Operation Hollywood. And what the. The office of that book, this academic text. What they did was they went and studied a bunch of scripts to see which government agencies had consulted and changed them. And it's a lot of top films that you. You would. You might not expect movies like Top Gun, a lot of the Tom Clancy stories, like they had a CIA consultation and changes to the script. And one. Yeah, a couple of those reasons are like, kind of innocuous. Like, well, before the CGI stuff was very popular, they would say, if you want to use a battleship for your. For your film, you got to portray the navy in a good light. So it's that kind of stuff. But the deeper you get into it, you find out, well, wait a minute, there's actually CIA liaisons like Milt Bearden, Chase, Brandon. They for many years have been the official CIA consultant on many films. And you find out that it's more than just consulting. And then you find out a lot of the A list actors are spies and they're doing PR work for the CIA. So there's a close relationship oftentimes between, again, many A listers. Many of them openly work with the CIA. You can look up like, you know, George Clooney, Jennifer Garner, Claire Danes, all those people have kind of an open PR Hollywood association with the ca. But. And it's not just CIA, Right. It's also British intelligence. This goes back to, you know, in the, in the uk, they've been doing this for forever. Actors have been spies for centuries, so it's not surprising.
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Podcast Host
I was just going to ask, is Israel infiltrating that, you think as well?
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Jay Dyer
Oh, yeah. I mean, there have been whole production companies. I mean, Arnon Milken, the famous Hollywood producer director, I mean, he was very closely tied at the hip to the Mossad and to Israel. This is well known. Um, it's not even a conspiracy theory. Yeah, there's, there's tons of connections there. For example, you know, Rose McGowan, when she came out with a lot of her stories of what was happening to her, she was actually saying that she was being sort of messed with and harassed by a, you know, black Cube intelligence agency, which was a former Israeli intelligence type of thing. So, yeah, this goes on all the time. There's a lot of connections to that. And really, I think the best way to understand this is if you think about the five eyes of Western intelligence and the corporate coordination that they have, really, any, anything that comes out from the Western perspective is going to be coordinated and aligned. So, for example, in the Ukraine, all the Western intelligence agencies will coordinate and work together. So British intelligence, CIA, Mossad, Canadian intelligence. Right. Anything within the domain of the Western Atlantis's power block. They have a special relationship where they will work together. And really it's no different in film producing. In Hollywood, the FBI is involved in various films. CIA, Mossad, British intelligence, they're all. They all work together.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, yeah. It's kind of a shame now how when you watch modern films, you kind of have to watch it, like, kind of on edge a little bit to, to like, see what they're trying to program in your head, you know?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. You know, the first two books I focused on, like, cults and, and mafia and intelligence. And then the third book I thought, you know, I need to include some more like basic level Propaganda, like gender. Because I didn't cover a whole lot of that in the first two books. I just focused on the more, you know, geopolitical conspiracy stuff in movies in Hollywood. But in the third book, I spent a whole 50, 60 page section on how Hollywood inverts gender and promotes a lot of feminist stuff. And particularly through the goddess, like, they promote this idea of this, you know, salvific girl, teenage girl figure who's gonna, like, do all the stuff that dudes do, like black ops, killing everybody, beating ass, you know, just insane, nonsensical stuff. But if you notice, in a lot of films, there's a couple outliers, but, like, in a lot of films in the last 10, 20 years, it's almost always now like a female hero.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And she's like a teenager. Right. So you don't have them strong male protagonists anymore. And they've done that on purpose. We covered one of the top global elite texts not too long ago called Changing Images of Man, published by the way, by Robert Maxwell. And that book talks about, like, promoting feminism, promoting the goddess, promoting all these kinds of, like, inverted things to change society, to not be patriarchal. So feminism is a huge player in this, ideologically speaking. But also so is like the. The trans element too, like getting people to like, you know, get into just really aberrant forms of sexuality to debase the population to make them more easy to control.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, well said. When I go on my wife's Instagram or Netflix account and everyone watching this can try this with their girl, but basically go on their top 10 movies, top 10 shows, the wife's always the one leading. The guy looks like he's an idiot.
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Jay Dyer
And you got it.
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Podcast Host
That's the message right there. You know, Crazy.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, that's. I mean, there's a guy. I forget the guy's name. There used to be a guy even like 15 years ago, and he started calling us out and he focused on advertising. And even like 15 years ago, they started putting into every ad, like, the dude is a total idiot. He has to defer to the wife. The wife's bossing him around. Like, the wife's the one that runs the house. It's like we didn't even realize it 15, 20 years ago that even. Even the advertisements were. Were that bad. And now it's everything, right? Like super bowl halftime show ads at the Super Bowl. Like, for years they've been just total, absolute propaganda. And that's what people don't realize. It's like, it's not just about Making money. They actually have studies, plans, techniques. For example, Changing Images man was, was written in 1982. And that's a high level textbook for grad students at Stanford Research or Harvard. Other schools that would be participating in these high level programs for people who would go into like international relations or intelligence work. They would be reading this book. And it's. It was always really hard to find a hard copy. You could find PDFs of it floating around the Internet for forever. But I had a listener who got a hold of a copy and sent it to me. And we read that a couple months ago. And I, I mean, again, it's like, it's a conspiracy book in the sense that it reveals everything, but it's not written as a conspiracy. It's an establishment text admitting everything. And that's what we've kind of always done on my channel is we spent the last 10 years focusing on reading and lecturing through the elites themselves, what they put in in their books. That way you can't say, oh, you're just conspiracy theorizing. You can't prove it. Dude, I'm going from their books. What are you talking about?
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Podcast Host
Well, I need to find a copy of that one. They don't sell that one anywhere, you said.
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Jay Dyer
No, I changing him as a man in hard copies go for like a thousand bucks. You can't find them. That's why I, I mean, I don't do PDFs, I hate reading PDFs, so I only read, you know, hard copy books and some dude just like, hey, I found this at a library book sale and I'm gonna mail it to you. I'm like, yeah, please do. It's a thousand dollar blog, feel free. But yeah, we got that a couple months ago and I read it, I read through it and yeah, we did a whole like Alex Jones special report on it. Got a lot, got like a million views across the different, you know, things on Twitter on that one. But like, yeah, it was a huge one again, but it's a book that's been floating around in the conspiracy world for forever, but people just kind of forgot about it. But it became more relevant. Some savvy, you know, watchers and viewers and listeners realized, hey, wait a minute, that was published by Robert Maxwell's company. So again, Famous books. Yeah, exactly. Well, they set up, they set up a publishing empire for him. British intelligence and a massage that for a cover.
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Podcast Host
No way.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, it was a cover for a lot of his espionage stuff.
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Podcast Host
What, so that because he wrote 48 laws of power, Right. I think he wrote that one.
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Jay Dyer
No, I'm talking about. Well, he might. I, I don't know who the publisher was that you're talking about. Robert Green.
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Podcast Host
Oh, that could be Robert Green.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah, I have that book too. But no, I'm talking about. So Robert Maxwell was just Lane's dad, who he ran, I forget, the McMillan or Maxwell publishing. And then they have other subsidiaries like Pergamon Press, that's owned by. Got it. Maxwell Publishing. But it was a huge like billion dollar publishing empire back in the day and it was kind of set up and created for him to run to do. I mean they do publish books, but it's a cutout. It does other stuff too. So it was also a way for him to engage in a lot of his like espionage activities.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, the publishing rabbit hole is, is an interesting one when you look at who made all our history textbooks. I've been looking into that lately. That's a crazy one.
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Jay Dyer
Well, dude, why is Robert Maxwell putting out like these high level geopolitical international relations textbooks? That's, that's what I'm saying. Like that's weird. Like just Lane's dad, right? The one that set up the whole operation and, and basically brought Jeffrey in and, and taught him how to do all this stuff. He's the one that's like literally one of the biggest publishers back in the 70s, 80s.
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Podcast Host
Wow, that's actually nuts. Yeah. It makes me wonder how they're going to adapt to the, to the era now if they're going to try to take over alternative media or what their plans are.
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Jay Dyer
You know, I think they're already trying to do that with like putting out a lot of these phony baloney people in alternate media who know, claim to be journalists or whatever. And like these people that are still like saying, well, there's nothing in the Upstein files, you know what I mean? Like, I think that's how they're going to approach alt media because mainstream media has pretty much already collapsed and it's only got, you know, the boomer viewership, which, the boomers are going to be gone in 10 years. So I think they probably already are planning to have, you know, people in the, in the Internet sphere and I already have them putting out just total nonsense.
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Podcast Host
You think they'll be able to infiltrate alternative media like they did with traditional.
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Jay Dyer
They'll probably try to set up networks and then try to get everybody's attention on centralized networks. Just like the way that they, they move the Internet away from websites to social media so they'll probably mirror that with some kind of centralized form of trying to have media and then probably bring out the censorship again, which people are starting to say that they think the censorship's about to come back.
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Podcast Host
Probably will for next election.
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Jay Dyer
It's already beginning to happen now. I saw a dude's channel got. Got deleted yesterday just for criticizing political opinions. So I think it might start rolling out sooner than even the next administration.
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Podcast Host
Well, there was a mass ban on YouTube recently, demonetization. A lot of people got hit was
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Jay Dyer
eating about the AI stuff or something else.
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Podcast Host
I think it was the AI stuff stuff.
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Jay Dyer
But yeah.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I don't know if that's free speech.
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Jay Dyer
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean that, that might be what they might claim, you know, that, well, we're just banning everybody who's AI but then include, you know what I mean? Like they might include within that things that aren't about AI as a convenient excuse. I mean, who knows?
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Podcast Host
Yeah. It would not be fun to go through what the Biden years of censorship that was.
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Jay Dyer
I know, man.
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Podcast Host
Especially for you, right?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. And we've got a, you know, a lot of a back catalog of stuff that's going back 10 years of videos and, and talks covering all this kind of stuff. Epstein style stuff. So yeah, I'm sure I'll be be nuked pretty quick. But I was one of the first. I, I take, I take pleasure in the fact that I was one of the first people. Back in about 2015, I got a one year ban from Facebook.
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Podcast Host
Wow.
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Jay Dyer
Because I was debating things related to Zionism and even back then, like censorship wasn't like, you know, heavy. I wasn't saying anything outrageous, I was just debating it. But I think they, they just tested like one year bans on people back that early.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I haven't heard of a one year ban. That's. That's one to me.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. One year on Facebook and I had, I basically just, I created an alternate account, like just a different name and used that for a year. But then eventually my other one came back and then I just got sick and quit using Facebook because it's retarded and boomer. Anyway.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. So how does it feel talking about Zionism back then compared to now? I mean, now back then you were the minority, right?
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Jay Dyer
Well, I, I used to have a blog in 2007 and 8 where I talked about it. And back then you would get threats like you would get. I got a dude saying he was going to call my work, get me fired because I wasn't doing media Full, full time. Back in the blogging days, I was just, you know, writing stuff on my blog, and you don't think that that's going to really go anywhere, affect anybody. But at one point, because I started getting linked by David. David Icke and Alex Jones back even in 2007 and 8. And so I would get like 2000 hits on my blog every day, which. Oh, I thought that was crazy. That's a huge, huge amount back then. But even that was enough to, like, attract some attention of people, oddly enough, in the religious sphere, who were like, you know, evangelical Zionists who were like, we got to get this guy fired. Figure out where he works, call his work. So I started noticing back then, like, people are super hostile. Like, they don't think about this topic rationally. They get really upset. And that actually drove me to get more interested in the history of Israel, the history of the Rothschilds, history of international banking. So the more I got into that, the more I realized, like, how the world really, really works. And I ended up, like, not blogging anymore, but eventually coming back and doing other stuff like podcasting. And. Yeah, it's. It's a different world now. Like, it's. It's a lot freer than it was back in the 2000s. And. And not just because of Zionism. Like, if you talked about any of this kind of stuff in the 2000s, man, everybody just called you just. They just thought you were bad crazy.
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Podcast Host
That's when conspiracy theorists actually meant something back then. Now it's like a compliment, you know.
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Jay Dyer
Now it's like, yeah, it's like a normal scroll. It's like every reel is a. Is a conspiracy theory now. But I mean, yeah, back in the 2000s, it was. It was rough. I remember too, that even, like in the late 90s, one of the first conspiracy things I saw was somebody had a Geocities page about Bilderberg. And I remember I was. I saw that in, like, 1998, and I was like, what's this Bilderberg Group? And then a couple years later, I saw, you know, Alex Jones talking about it in 2002, 3. And then I got into, you know, studying 911 and what happened on 9 11. And that's an inside job, obviously. So, yeah, the. The rabbit hole takes you from conspiracy to, like, espionage and geopolitics. That's the route I took, right? And that led me to studying a lot of the stuff, like what ended up being what Epstein does, right? Like sex, pionage, blackmail, sexual entrapment, honey traps, all that Kind of stuff. So that's what I was studying in my grad. Grad work. And then, you know, you're the only people you could talk to about that are, like, people in academia who know about it. The public thinks it's crazy. But then here we are 20 years later, and it's like, okay, yeah, no, it's all real.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, yeah. Because I was pre social media. So you couldn't even find your kind of tribe of people to talk to about it.
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Jay Dyer
No, it was all. It was all blogs and message boards back then, so you could, like, you know, meet a few people on message boards. But again, you were still the minority, I would say, you know, for all the, you know, there's good and bad with Trump, but like, the Trump era, really, it's a paradigm shift. Right. And not just stuff that Trump did, but I think there was key elements, like key cultural things, like Bruce gender being woman of the year. That was a huge. Like, in 2016 when that happened, I noticed a lot of people were sort of like, they were forced into a position where they had to say, okay, either mainstream media is a gigantic machine of lying and propaganda, or you're gonna double down to not be an outsider and admit absurd things. That women are men. Right. And men are women. And I think a lot that broke a lot of people's brains. And then when Covid happened, that broke a lot of people's brains, especially, because that was a giant, like, psychological warfare operation, in my view.
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Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And so, you know, we've just had basically the. The winnowing of the wheat from the chaff in the last 10 years going back to Bruce gender. It's like people have either gotten more and more crazy and insane and double tripled down on just madness, or they've gotten more and more awake. So this, you know, ultimately, there's a lot of crappy stuff happening, but I think it's good for it all to come out.
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Podcast Host
I agree. I'd rather know than not know. Right. You think they'll attempt another Covid like, situation in our last time?
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Jay Dyer
Probably. I mean, I don't know what they'll do or how to do it. I think they have a lot of different, you know, cards they could play. We could see, like, a giant cyber pandemic, like, you know, Klaus was always talking about during COVID that we'll have another cyber pandemic, cyber polygon, where the Internet will go down. So they could do some kind of big Internet false flag. They could have an economic collapse that's probably gonna Happen anyway because, you know, with the fiat money and the money printing and all that, like, there's no way they can save the economy ultimately. They could have a war. We could have World War three. I mean, anything. They could do anything and maybe even double them up, like have a pandemic and a cyber pandemic, you know what I mean? So I think that probably Covid was a research and development experiment to see for what they could. To see what they could do down the road. And one of the recent WDF Dallas documents even admitted that. They admitted that it was kind of an experiment.
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Podcast Host
Wow. And where, where does Bill fit in all this? Bill Gates, because he was in the files. People connected with COVID Like, have you researched a lot into him?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, I've been following, you know, that whole side of things for a long time. Bill Gates is a, you know, rabid depopulation eugenicist. His dad was a big part of Planned Parenthood. So that's the whole ethos from which he comes. He also seems to have had, as you know, like a very intimate connection with Epstein, flying on the flights many times, but. And like Epstein, he seems to have his hand in like, a lot of things. Right. So he's very interested in depopulation, he's very interested in genetic modification, GMOs. He wants to create fake meat that everybody's going to eat. He. He was experimenting at one point with shit beer, wherever he's going to drink beer made from poop. Being serious. I mean, he's just all over the place, throwing money at everything. Kind of like Epstein to see, you know, what hits and what doesn't. And I would say he's. He's a high level, you know, person in the conspiracies. Maybe not at the very tip top, but he's definitely one of the top global movers and shakers. And he definitely had a huge role in, you know, Covid and that whole scam because, you know, he. They set up. If you re. If you look at the John Johns Hopkins exercises before COVID if you look at the emails between Epstein and Gates about running pandemic simulations back into 2017, I think that all of those are like kill shots right there.
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Podcast Host
Geez. Yeah, I don't see too many positive comments about them these days. Have you looked into the Epstein bitcoin theory?
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Jay Dyer
I have, and I'm a big proponent of Bitcoin. So obviously when that came up, I saw I was. My interest was peaked. So Bitcoin is not a centralized entity, so it doesn't have a way to like, get into the code and create some sort of back door or something like that. It's a public ledger that's run on decentralized nodes. And so it's kind of. It's like. It's a protocol kind of like email and the ledger, the code, all that's publicly accessible. So for example, to have any change in the Bitcoin infrastructure or in. In Bitcoin itself, you need the majority of the nodes and miners to go along with it. And so you can't just like, change it. There's no, like, seek, there's no hacker dude that can like type up a new code and change it like that. And that was one of the features that they put into Bitcoin to make it kind of. It can't be hacked in that way. Yeah, yeah. You would have to get the majority of people on board to. To agree to change the code and then run the new altered code or whatever. So it's true that Epstein put money into this and had an intense interest in bitcoin early on. But Epstein had interest in all kinds of tech ventures early on, and he threw money at all kinds of things. Right? That'd be. It's kind of like saying Epstein was interested in real estate. So if you are involved in real estate, you're involved in an Epstein activity. Well, that's a fallacy in terms of logic. So. And yeah, so that there was that one email where that was obviously fake, where he said to just, Lane, we. We've done well create. Creating our experiment of Bitcoin. And it's like it had. The email was obviously fake. It had two and then two. Right? Two, as in the who's the recipient? And then another line down it said two. So that was a lazy, sloppy creation. But also like having an interest in some of the early coding and trying to fund it at the Bitcoin foundation. I mean, bitcoin is not tied to those things because it's a decentralized network. So that'd be like saying if somebody put money into studying email early on, right? Like, here's this bad dude who put money into studying the email protocol back in the 1990s. So I guess email is evil because an evil dude. It's just. It does. It doesn't make any sense.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I've seen theories that the CIA started it, allegedly, but who actually knows, right?
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Jay Dyer
Well, if you look in. I've looked into all those. Like the thing with that one is that if you look at the original paper from MIT, that's usually what people point to is like, oh look, here's a paper from MIT about peer to peer ecash. Okay, well, first of all, that was a version of the dollar. And Bitcoin is not e. It's not e cash. Bitcoin is a non. You can't print more bitcoin. Right. So it has a limited supply, but the dollar is fiat. You can always have more dollars. So the original paper that people usually refer to at MIT was a proposal to have a fiat B dollar. And that's not what Bitcoin is. The whole ethos of Bitcoin is to oppose the idea of having fiat currency that can be inflated because it has a. It's capped at 21 million. So that's what usually people were talking about also, I mean, if the CIA was, was going to create Bitcoin or was involved in that, they were kind of birthing the thing that's against the ethos of the CIA because the CIA's original founders and, and its long track record in terms of its overall operating ideology is Fabian socialism and Keynesianism. Right. And Keynesian economics is all about money printing and having more and more inflated numbers of dollars versus what backs up the dollar. But again, the whole ethos of Bitcoin is against that. It's more of the Austrian school of economics as opposed to the, the Keynesian Fabian socialist economics. So it really wouldn't make sense for an institution with kind of a Fabian socialist Keynesian ethos to create something that's Austrian economics.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, it'd be ironic, right? Do you have any sense, do you have any faith in the dollar? I know you said might crash. All currencies crash eventually, but do you see that as a possibility, I guess in our lifetime or our children's lifetime?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Every fiat currency goes to zero. Everyone. There's. There's never been one in history that has maintained value. They always crash because it's too much of a temptation for the central bank to keep printing. And once you've already gone off of the gold standard like we did in the 1970s under Nixon, there's no way to go back to that. There's no way to. The only thing that could have worked was to maybe tie it to Bitcoin and for the government to have a bitcoin strategic reserve. But who knows whether that's going to happen or what's going on with that. And because the US does have and could potentially have a lot of Bitcoin and it's the only asset that's that hard and not inflatable. There's no other asset that's not inflationary like that. Even gold is inflationary. It's like 10, 20% or no, it's 5 to 10%. Every year more gold is added to the market because it's dug up. But with Bitcoin, it's not that you can't make more Bitcoin. There will never be more than 21 million. So there's a fixed supply. That itself is a safeguard against any government trying to infinitely print more money and inject that into the. To the economy to save the economy. You're just kicking the can down the road and every nation that's had a fiat currency has collapsed and ours will not be any different. When that will be, I don't know. But I can't imagine it lasting more than. I mean under Biden alone. It's like he inflated the, the, the dollar like 10 to 20% and covet as well. Like the whole time period just made the dollars purchasing power collapse.
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Podcast Host
And I feel like AI is going to speed it up even more.
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Jay Dyer
Right, That's a great point. Yeah, I mean I don't know how they'll. You mean. So basically people will be out of work. Right.
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Podcast Host
I just redid my whole website for 25 bucks and it's better than the original site. I paid 5,000.
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Jay Dyer
Oh wow.
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Podcast Host
Crazy, right?
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Jay Dyer
That is nuts. I mean. Yeah, A lot of people been speculating about like exactly what Al do. I'm not sure but it probably will replace a lot of kind of mid low tier jobs. And if it does that, that will be a disaster for the economy as well.
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Podcast Host
There's no doubt it's. It's going to. I mean even it'll get to the high tier jobs. My mom works at AWS. They just fired 16000 people, replaced them with AI so now. Oh, Amazon. Oh yes. Oh now or to an AI. And I think a lot of people's bosses in the future will be AI and it's going to be based off your results. Emotions will be a non factor in the business environment.
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Jay Dyer
What do you think about the. A lot of people are also talking about like even in the sphere of the legal realm. Right. Like will you have like an AI lawyer? Like there's a new movie.
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Podcast Host
Yeah, I know real of lawyers and they're not even hiring paralegals right now or they're limited years on them because AI is actually better than a paral right now.
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Jay Dyer
Dang.
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Podcast Host
Isn't that crazy?
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Jay Dyer
Well there's. It's funny because there's that movie out right now. I don't think it got very good reviews. But that Chris Pratt movie where he's on trial and his. He's the. The judge's AI, so he has to make a defense. It's like a near. It's like 10, 20 years in the future. And he's like, yeah, the judge is a. He doesn't even. You don't even need, like a. A jury. Right. Because the idea would be, supposedly the AI would be even superior to a jury. Right. With all their preconceptions and their emotional ties and that. That could affect their judgment and jury trials. So in the future, you have an AI judge that you have to convince with, you know, just facts and logic. Right.
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Podcast Host
Wow. I don't know how I feel about that, because I actually do agree. I think juries are very biased, you know?
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Jay Dyer
Oh, yeah. I mean, it makes sense on paper. Like, it sounds good, but the problem is, like. Well, but people can program the AI to also be biased. You know what I mean? So it's like. It's hard to know whether it would actually work in practice, you know, and also the technocrats, who, I think, want everything to be run by AI, I don't think they have our. Our best interests.
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Podcast Host
Yeah. Mass surveillance. Right. Palantir. That's another rat. Yeah, exactly. Time to picture. Honestly, for our kids. Any one.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Podcast Host
I think, without being filmed.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. TIA. Total information awareness was something that came out of 911. And that's like Admiral John Poindexter and people who said, hey, now that we've had this massive terror attack, the only way we're going to prevent this, which, again, the establishment, I think, was involved in that. Like, it served their purposes amazingly right. And if you get into studying, like, intelligence stuff, they'll often say, even the people in intelligence will say some of the best successes in the domain of intelligence are when there's a massive intelligence failure. And that the reason for that is that they get to say, oh, you didn't fund us enough. If we had only had more funding, we could have prevented this giant terror attack. And so that allowed them to then go with Total Information Awareness, which supposedly, you know, Congress went against. But they just do these things secretly anyway. They don't care if the laws, you know, go against it. They'll just set up this operation in some other country where it's not illegal so they can get around all the legalities if they need to. But fast forward, you know, after 9, 11 to where we are now, and it's like all of this really couldn't have come about without the Cold War and 911 to create the surveillance state. All of it's a product of that. Even the Internet itself comes out of the Cold War with arpanet, darpanet looking for a way to have covert cryptographic communications that the Soviets couldn't get a hold of. That was all developed in the Cold War that produced the Internet.
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Podcast Host
Interesting. Reminds me of now these days TikTok, how it's destroyed everyone's attention through short form content. Right. That's like oh, what's all.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Berkshire ber Russell, one of the global elite books. We covered two of his books. He was a Fabian socialist, kind of a, a, a crazy wacko, but very powerful and very elite. He said that you could, you could do this kind of stuff with messing with people's mind by not just what I mean he didn't know about the tech stuff yet, but he said that you could like mess with people's, destroy their attention spans and then get them to believe that black is white, white is black. And you do this on purpose, you, you inculcate people with contradictions to make them essentially pliable and malleable so that they will believe anything that the state says. And if you read 1984 when Winston is like when, when he's going through all that torture process, that's what o' Brien is, is inculcating. And he says, I want you to understand that when I hold up five fingers, I don't want you to just say that this is six fingers because I say so. I want you to actually believe that five is six. And that's. He's expressing what Bertrand Russell said in his non fiction books, that that's the, the psyop of the dystopia is to make you say things that you know are contradictory but also to actually believe it because then they have godlike powers.
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Podcast Host
Wow, that's crazy. We're heading towards that movie Idiocracy. Have you seen that one?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. That's why you said that. Because back in the day, like eight or ten years ago, Alex used to have. I just went blank on the guy's name, but the guy that, that made Idiocracy and Beavis and Butthead and all that. He used to come on Alex all the time back then and he talked about how like he had listened to Alex Jones and a lot of the characters in King of the Hill, like some of those characters based on Alex Jones. So even like movies like Idiocracy or King of the Hill have a bit of an influence from the. The conspiracy world. But, yeah, I think idiocracy is a much. Maybe even a better dystopian explanation than the older hardcore dystopias like Brave new world or 1984. I think maybe 1984 was too. It's too much. It was too focused on, like, one gigantic super state, like, smashing everybody every day. My Brave New World was more insightful because he's like, no, we'll just drug the population and get them addicted to. To sex and all kinds of. And then we'll have them totally controlled and an idiocracy. And Brave New World would kind of have, you know, the same. The same vibe, more so than, like, you know, 1984 is kind of Stalinist, and Stalin didn't end up really winning, so. But the Brave New World model did.
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Podcast Host
Well, Jay, it's been fun, man. Hope to set up a debate for you in the future. But, sir, in the muzan, where can people get your books and find you and all that?
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Jay Dyer
Yeah, if you go to Jay's analysis.com in the shop, you can get any of my books. They're all signed copies from my website, so don't get them from Jeff Bezos. Get them from me. I also have an archive of 10 years of lectures, talks, interviews, stuff dealing with all these books that we've referenced today. You can find me on Twitter under Jay Dyer. And then Most Fridays, although Alex is kind of going through in transition right now, but Most Fridays host Alex Jones show the fourth hour.
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Podcast Host
Awesome. Thanks, man.
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Jay Dyer
Absolutely. Thank you.
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Podcast Host
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