Evan Hovich: Why I Dropped Out of College After One Semester | DSH #1745

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Evan Hovich: Why I Dropped Out of College After One Semester | DSH #1745

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Evan Hovich
Date: January 9, 2026

Overview

In this episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly sits down with Evan Hovich—a 22-year-old entrepreneur earning six figures monthly from his innovative remote cleaning business and by teaching others to do the same. The conversation delves into Evan's entrepreneurial journey, his early exit from college, his struggles with gambling addiction, perspectives on politics and faith, and candid thoughts on modern work ethic, masculinity, and what it takes to succeed. With raw authenticity and bold insights, Evan challenges conventional paths and shares hard-won lessons for young entrepreneurs and anyone questioning the status quo.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Business Beginnings: College Dropout to Cleaning Tycoon

• Dropping Out of College:

  • Evan attended one semester before questioning the credibility of his entrepreneurship professor, realizing:

    "I spoke to one of my entrepreneurship professors and I said, what business do you run? And he said, I never ran a business before. So I knew that…this is not something that I want to pursue." (01:56–02:08)

  • Host Sean Kelly relates, recalling his own experience with professors lacking real-world business acumen. (02:08–02:10)

• Remote Cleaning Explained:

  • Not about scrubbing floors himself, but brokering services:

    "You're just a broker…You generate the leads, you find contractors that are going to do the work and you just put the two pieces together." (02:41–03:07)

  • Example: Student lands a commercial FedEx warehouse contract for $40K/month. (02:41–03:07)
  • The business operates on a flexible "drop servicing" model, minimizing liability via independent contractors who are responsible for their own insurance and supplies. (03:13–03:46)
  • Evan started at 19, sold the business by 20, and now teaches others at the Remote Cleaning Institute (RCI), with over a thousand members. His students collectively make "millions of dollars a month." (04:27–04:45)

2. Scaling & Niches

• Residential vs. Commercial:

  • Original focus on residential, but instructs students to pursue both. Commercial jobs offer higher margins and less demanding clients:

    "With these commercial jobs—warehouses, the convention center…if the cleaner misses something on the floor, nobody's gonna notice. Right. It's someone's secretary, usually swiping a card." (05:17–05:27)

• Competition and Mindset:

  • The cleaning industry is vast:

    "There's plenty enough to go around for everyone." (06:23)

  • Success requires building value and conviction in your services, not just undercutting competitors.

3. Political Awakening and Values

• Engagement with Politics:

  • Evan’s business background pushed him toward political engagement:

    "If you say nothing or do nothing, you can't really be upset about what happens… If you're not really contributing." (01:39–01:44)

  • Became interested around age 17, inspired by experiences growing up with a single mom and early independence. (06:48–07:16)
  • Strongly conservative—drawn in less by policy and more by the community he found among conservatives.

    "If you don't like this country, you don't have to be here. Right. Leave. We don't want you here. This is… the best country in the world." (07:19–07:49)

• Travel & Perspective:

  • Travel to poorer countries instilled gratitude:

    "These families are poor… They love each other, they live together, they have great values… It's the things that we take for granted in America." (08:00–08:40)

4. Gambling Addiction: The Dark Side of Success

• Descent into Gambling:
  • Started at 14; escalated with newfound income:

    "I got into gambling when I was 14 years old… My, I guess you could say stepdad… started doing fanduel and he would get me in on it." (09:42–10:10)

  • Craved high-risk parlays; even big wins fed back into the cycle:

    "I had such a mentality of like, I didn't even start straight betting until I was probably down probably 200k… I wanted to hit the jackpot. And the craziest part … even when you win, you're going to lose all that money again." (11:33–11:39, 12:17)

  • Lost $650K in six months—almost all his business profits.

    "Last podcast I was on, I said I lost around 400k gambling. But…that's actually inaccurate. I probably lost closer to… $650,000." (13:45–14:09)

  • The realization wasn't enough—"realization and taking action are two different things." (14:41)
  • Advice:

    "If you have a gambling addiction, stop. Because right now, like, you know, I'm not married or anything, so really it's only affecting me. But especially when you have a family… It changes your whole life." (12:57–13:14)

5. Accountability, Belief, and Life Philosophy

• Extreme Accountability:

  • Citing Andrew Tate, both agree true growth only comes from self-blame and responsibility:

    "Always take accountability, even if it's not your fault." (15:06–15:08) "If something happens in your business… if you don't blame yourself, who are you going to blame?...Blame yourself, always." (14:45)

• On Atheism and Morality:

  • Evan doesn’t dislike atheists personally, but distrusts "godless people":

    "I truly believe godless people are the scariest people. And here's why. If you have no belief in God, where is your moral compass coming from?" (15:24–16:09)

  • Concerned that "if your morals are coming from society…you're going to start dressing up as a fucking dog walking around the sidewalk…" (16:09)

6. College, Laziness, and Work Ethic

• College as a “Scam”:

  • Not inherently bad—necessary for doctors/lawyers—but "especially if you’re going to be a business owner…you need to get to work." (16:38–17:09)

• Dealing with Lazy People:

  • Avoids hiring them, prefers hard-working offshore talent:

    "I will absolutely never work with a lazy person…if someone's lazy…they don't actually care about what they're doing." (17:13–17:46)

  • Conversation about the relationship between intellect and laziness (17:48–18:07)

7. Balance, Fun, and Chasing Ambition

• Work-Life Balance:

  • Advocates for balance—not total sacrifice:

    "You need to also be living life…while you're doing these things, experiencing, etc. Because you never want to be that guy that spent, you know, 40 years of his life literally slaving away at his own job to become a billionaire…His kids hate him, his wife hates him, his family hates him. Nobody likes him." (19:43–20:18)

• Addicted to the Chase:

  • Host Sean Kelly on ambition:

    "The chase, man, I'm not stopping till I'm the number one show in the world." (20:42–20:49)

  • Evan emphasizes responsibility:

    "As a man, it is your responsibility to be able to provide and take care of your family." (21:12–22:13)

8. Masculinity and Gender Dynamics

• Toxic Masculinity Rejected:
  • Evan calls it a myth:

    "I don't believe there's such thing as toxic masculinity. Being a man is an awesome thing, and being a woman is an awesome thing, and I think that we all should embrace that." (22:24–22:53)

  • Argues that men and women simply have different strengths.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Winning Big at Gambling (and Still Losing):

  "Even when you win, you're going to lose all that money again because addicts don't know how to stop and they can't take a win."
  (Evan Hovich, 00:12–00:20, and 11:39–12:09)

• On Self-Accountability:

  "Blame yourself, always. I think that's a massive point, is always take accountability, even if it's not your fault."
  (Evan Hovich, 14:45–15:08)

• On Work Ethic:

  "I like people that are going to work hard and not expect things that they don't deserve."
  (Evan Hovich, 17:46)

• On ‘Godless’ Morality:

  "If you have no belief in God, where is your moral compass coming from?"
  (Evan Hovich, 15:24–16:09)

• On Life Balance:

  "You never want to be that guy that spent…40 years…to become a billionaire…His kids hate him, his wife hates him…You never want to be that person."
  (Evan Hovich, 19:43–20:18)

• On Ambition:

  "The chase, man, I'm not stopping till I'm the number one show in the world."
  (Sean Kelly, 20:42–20:49)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Dropping out of college and early business skepticism: 01:50–02:10
• Remote cleaning business model explained: 02:41–03:46
• First big commercial client example: 02:41–03:07
• Scaling and selling his first company: 04:27–04:45
• Politics and value formation: 06:48–07:49
• Travel and perspective on America: 08:00–08:46
• Gambling addiction journey and advice: 09:42, 11:31–14:09
• Self-accountability and growth: 14:41–15:08
• Morality, God, and society: 15:24–16:16
• View on college and work ethic: 16:38–17:46
• Work/life balance and ambition: 19:43–20:49
• Masculinity and gender roles: 22:24–23:13

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Conclusion

This episode digs well past surface-level advice as Evan Hovich opens up about dropping out, building and selling a business as a teen, his brutal struggle with gambling, and his unfiltered takes on culture, work, and values. Through direct conversation with Sean Kelly, listeners receive both practical business insight and deeply personal life lessons—rooted in accountability, gratitude, and relentless ambition.

Find Evan at: remotecleaninginstitute.com or Instagram @evanhovich.

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Transcript

[Evan Hovich]

Let me tell you right now, if you believe that gambling, like you're gambling right now and you're. I was sports betting, so I wasn't addicted to like blackjack or anything. It was straight parlays. Headlight parlays are the worst. And dude, I had a such a mentality of like, I didn't even start straight betting until I was probably down to probably 200k just because I wanted to go big.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Evan Hovich]

I didn't care about the, you know, the even odds. I wanted to win a plus 1000, right. I wanted to hit the jackpot. And the craziest part about this type of addiction, even when you win, you're going to lose all that money again because addicts don't know how to stop and they can't take a win. Right?

[Podcast Host]

All right, guys, first podcast of Amfest, we got Evan Hovich, 20 year old phenom doing six figures a month with his, with his cleaning business. Thanks for coming on the show, man.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, bro. What's up, man?

[Podcast Host]

It's, it's a good event. I'm, I'm happy you made it out here.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, it's awesome, man. I came out here a couple years ago and then the year before that, and I think this year it's going to be absolutely insane. Obviously, with everything that happened with Charlie and just the organization that he's built is phenomenal, man. So I'm super pumped for it.

[Podcast Host]

Times are changing, man. When I was your age, I didn't really follow politics.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I feel like now it's so ingrained with our lifestyle, you know?

[Evan Hovich]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Were you in politics at a pretty young age?

[Evan Hovich]

Well, being a business owner and starting young, I think you kind of have to be Right. But in terms of like my how I relate to politics and exactly how involved I am, I think just seeing the things that have been evolving over the years, just kind of all the traumatic things, all the thing going on with the economy in the world and just all the absolute terror going on in the world, I think it's made me want to pursue it more just because, I mean, I'm a true believer that if you say nothing or do nothing, you can't really be upset about what happens.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Evan Hovich]

If you're not really contributing. So that's big for me.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, a lot of people don't speak out, right? Yeah, I think it's important. So you're 20, but you dropped out of college. Right?

[Evan Hovich]

So 22.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, 22.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, 22. I just turned 22 and I dropped out of college, went for about a semester.

[Podcast Host]

So you were a freshman?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, I did. I did one semester and then I spoke to one of my entrepreneurship professors and I said, what business do you run? And he said, I never ran a business before. So I knew that.

[Podcast Host]

Relatable.

[Evan Hovich]

This is not something that I want to pursue. Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

That happened with my marketing professor.

[Evan Hovich]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I was like, I'm out, bro. I'm out. I can't.

[Evan Hovich]

Did you already have something going for you at that point or.

[Podcast Host]

At the time? I had. So back when I was in college, dropshipping was a hot thing.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So that's how I started with you. It's really remote cleaning, right?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So it's a little different, but I.

[Evan Hovich]

Got into remote cleaning a little bit later. But, you know, I was doing what every young kid does, marketing, right? Social media marketing, building websites, smma. But obviously that's not sustainable. I got into remote cleaning sales, that kind of stuff, and it's absolutely changed my life.

[Podcast Host]

So let's go. I want to learn more about that. So remote cleaning, could you explain what that is?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah. So essentially the way remote cleaning works is you're just a broker. Okay. So you're just a middleman in the entire operation. So, you know, you generate the leads, you find contractors that are going to do the work and you just put the two pieces together. So you generate a lead on, let's say Google lead comes in. One of my clients just told me he got a FedEx warehouse for $40,000 a month. So they called him off Google. He's got that job for 40k a month. He'll contract out people to go do the job and probably Split it around 50, 50 with them.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So it's almost like drop shipping, but with. With cleaning. Yeah.

[Evan Hovich]

I think the best term to use is drop servicing.

[Podcast Host]

Drop servicing?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, drop servicing, exactly.

[Podcast Host]

And how are you finding the cleaners?

[Evan Hovich]

So you find the cleaners on just indeed next door. You can put up posters. I mean, they're everywhere. But obviously you have to be careful. A lot of them are illegal immigrants. And with contractors, if you hire an illegal immigrant and you bring them somewhere and they fuck up or they do something, you know that liability is going.

[Podcast Host]

To fall back on you. So do you have to have some sort of insurance or some sort?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, insurance, background checks. But the great part about the contractor model is the contractors carry their own insurance, they bring their own supplies to the job.

[Podcast Host]

You're not liable.

[Evan Hovich]

You're not liable. Right. So you're just a broker. You're taking all that liability away from you.

[Podcast Host]

Nice. Yeah, I mean, I pay my cleaner almost a thousand just to clean my house.

[Evan Hovich]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Once a month, yeah.

[Evan Hovich]

That's sick.

[Podcast Host]

Because the bigger the house, obviously, like.

[Evan Hovich]

And who wants to clean their own home? So, hell no, it's the boring businesses, I feel like, that no one ever thinks about. Like, to be honest, to this day, I don't know anything about cleaning. Absolutely nothing. But you don't need to, Right? You're just basically finding something that's in demand and putting the pieces together, essentially.

[Podcast Host]

And do you go after primary residential or commercial buildings?

[Evan Hovich]

So residential. So my company that I sold, it was mostly residential. Commercial as well. But the students that I teach, we do both.

[Podcast Host]

Got it. So you already sold the company? I sold the company, yeah. Wow, that's very fast.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So you started this at what age?

[Evan Hovich]

I started the remote cleaning business at 19, sold it at 20 years old, and then have built RCI, which stands for the Remote Cleaning Institute. We've been in business for about a year and a half. Have over a thousand members all around the country. And. And yeah, man, it's been insane. My students are making millions of dollars a month, and lives are being transformed every day.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, that's insane.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

When you were scaling this thing, because I know you yourself had a remote cleaning business that scaled to six figures a month, right?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Was that pretty quick or did it take some. Some time?

[Evan Hovich]

So it took me six months to get to that point. But the thing with the remote cleaning business, you don't have to be that smart to scale it up really fast, because think about who's in demand of your services. Literally everybody. Right? So. And that's why you want to gear more towards the commercial side of things, because it's a lot more expensive. People aren't nitpicking, like, if it's your home and someone didn't clean the toilet, like, you're gonna. You're gonna know, you're gonna care.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Evan Hovich]

Cause that's your space. Yeah, but especially with these commercial jobs warehouses. The convention center is like the one we're in. If the cleaner misses something on the floor, nobody's gonna notice. Right. It's someone's secretary, usually swiping a card.

[Podcast Host]

I can't imagine what this center costs to clean. Yeah, it's gotta be like, a stupid amount of money.

[Evan Hovich]

Insane amount of money it's got. What.

[Podcast Host]

What would you guess for a convention center?

[Evan Hovich]

Just like. Like a. Like to clean on a daily basis for a month.

[Podcast Host]

Events here and they have to clean it up after for the next event.

[Evan Hovich]

Oh, man. To clean this entire convention center after an event, for a new event, I would say probably about maybe 5 to 7k.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Evan Hovich]

Probably 5 to 7k. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

At least I thought, to be honest.

[Evan Hovich]

Well, you have to understand with a convention center like this, it's a lot of just floors. Right. So you're pretty much just cleaning the floors. The things that takes the longest are the bathrooms. But that's the best part about being a broker is, you know, you kind of figure out estimates and how the price works, but you're not actually doing any of the cleaning.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So if I was trying to get their business, I would just see who's doing it and see what they're charging and then try to undercut them maybe.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah. Well, I mean, just like with every service, right. And every business, there's more expensive and then there's less expensive.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Evan Hovich]

I think that the biggest thing is building something so valuable and. And having so much conviction in what you do. But ultimately, this is a business where there's plenty enough to go around for everyone. I mean, I don't have that mindset as a business owner, but that's the reality. Right. There's so many people that are in need of services. So it's just a really awesome industry to be in.

[Podcast Host]

I love that, man. All right, so we talk business. Let's dive into politics a little bit.

[Evan Hovich]

Let's do it, bro.

[Podcast Host]

So have you always been conservative or did you grow up liberal?

[Evan Hovich]

So I didn't really have any type of political view really growing up. I grew up pretty much most of my life. Single mom. She married a man. He was pretty abusive. So I really only had a single mom growing up. And I got into politics because I got into business early. I started my business at 15 years old. Moved out of my house in high school. Actually got my sister to co sign on a lease for me when I was 17 years old. So I haven't been in politics forever, but I really got interested in it probably around 17 years old.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And you were conservative right off at that age?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, dude, 100%. The re. What really brought me to becoming a conservative was not necessarily the politics. It was the people. And also we are in America. If you don't like this country, you don't have to be here. Right. Leave.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Evan Hovich]

We don't want you here. This is a country. This is the best country in the world. We have all. We have problems, just like every single nation in the world. But this is the best country in the world. And I'm a big advocate for if you're going to complain about how things are. I mean, obviously to a degree it's normal to have opinions, but if you genuinely hate this country, get the fuck out.

[Podcast Host]

Bars. Bars. I think people complaining, a lot of them I see don't have international travel experience.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know what I mean? So their only perspective on life is being in America.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah. And you just brought up a really good point. Traveling has changed everything for me and I'll tell you why. I've been to many third world countries where, I mean two that come to mind are Bali and Nicaragua and I spent a lot of times in the communities there. These families are poor, they are dirt poor. They love each other, they live together, they have great values, they don't lie to each other. It's the things that we take for granted in America. We don't realize how privileged and lucky we are. Imagine having a household income of 500 USD a month in a place like Nicaragua and having to feed an entire family on that. Obviously cost of living is different, but people there are so much more grateful for what they actually have.

[Podcast Host]

So. So that's interesting. When I travel, I stay in nice ass resorts for Bali, for example. But you were staying with the locals.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, I mean, I've stayed at resorts but I prefer staying with the locals just because to me, like there's two types of travel, right? There's going on vacation and then there's actually exploring and getting to know culture and etc. I prefer option B because it gives you a lot of insight.

[Podcast Host]

I feel that, yeah. Like part of me, when I go to Mexico and I don't like leave the resort, part of me is like, damn, is this actually Mexico?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Or can I just go to this resort in any country?

[Evan Hovich]

Well, I don't know if you want to leave the resort there.

[Podcast Host]

Definitely. I was going a terrible demo. But Bali, for example, is it safe just being out and about there? Yeah, dude.

[Evan Hovich]

I mean, define the word safe. I mean people are worried about traveling to these other countries, but Chicago, New York, is it really safe?

[Podcast Host]

That's a good point. Is it safe even Vegas, where I'm at?

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And we're going to talk about gambling because I know you got a store there, but even Vegas, parts of Vegas, you walk out at night, it's sketchy.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah, you know, absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

But being in Vegas, and I know you had the gambling eviction. Was that. Were you going to Vegas a lot?

[Evan Hovich]

No, dude. So actually I got into gambling when I was 14 years old. Obviously I couldn't gamble at that time. My, I guess you could say stepdad at the time, my mom's husband, he started doing fanduel and he would get me in on it, but obviously it was just $5, $10 with him here and there.

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[Evan Hovich]

Obviously I couldn' gamble at that time. I didn't understand the true consequences. And then as I got older and as I started making more money and when I would kind of go through different trials in my life, I found that that was my resort of dopamine. And let me tell you right now, if you believe that gambling like you're gambling right now and you're. I was sports betting so I wasn't addicted to like blackjack or anything. It was straight parlays.

[Podcast Host]

Headlight parlays are the worst.

[Evan Hovich]

And dude, I had a such a mentality of like, I didn't even start straight betting until I was probably down probably 200k.

[Podcast Host]

Holy.

[Evan Hovich]

Just because I wanted to go big, right? I didn't care about the, you know, the even odds. I wanted to win a plus 1000, right. I wanted to hit the jackpot. And the craziest part about this type of Addiction. Even when you win, you're going to lose all that money again. Because addicts don't know how to stop and they can't take a win. Right. It's like, can you go to a casino, win and walk out and be happy? My mentality, I couldn't do that. And even you know, when I would win, I've won, you know, 40, 50, 60K multiple times. I was wagering millions of dollars over my time gambling. And every single time I lost, even if I withdrew to my bank account, that money would be right back in there 24 hours later again.

[Podcast Host]

That's us. What was the craziest parlay you've hit?

[Evan Hovich]

Oh, dude, I. I don't even know, man. The most 100x, the most I've ever won in a single bet was like 90k. But like I said, dude, I, I don't even. I've gambled so much in my life. It was like, you know, the Korean baseball at 4:00am, right. It's like the. You don't even know about the table tennis. I'm sitting there. And one thing also about an addict is they will always find a way. Right. I ban myself on every single sports book that I start having to go to, like the offshore, offshore gambling accounts because I banned myself on everything. But an addict will always find a way. So my advice for anyone listening to this, if you have a gambling addiction, stop.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Evan Hovich]

Because right now, like, you know, I'm not married or anything, so really it's only affecting me. But especially when you have a family and I know you're married now, it's like you're affecting more than one person. It changes your mood, it changes your finances, it changes your whole life. You become kind of a zombie to it. So it's pretty crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Good advice. There was actually a study recently, I don't know if you saw, but a lot of those obscure sports, like Chinese ping pong or whatever, like the stuff you were talking about, a lot of those are rigged.

[Evan Hovich]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Evan Hovich]

For like gambling purposes.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, because there's no money. Those athletes are barely making anything. So if they rig a game, they can make 10,000 bucks.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Which is a lot to them.

[Evan Hovich]

I mean, they're doing it in the, in the NBA now.

[Podcast Host]

Exactly. @ the highest.

[Evan Hovich]

Level. Point shaving. I don't know if you saw a recent example of that picture. Yeah, I forgot his name.

[Podcast Host]

But. So if it's happening there, it's happening in random sports that you're.

[Evan Hovich]

Better.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You know.

[Evan Hovich]

100. But I mean, that part of My life is over. Thank God it's over. I, you know, the last podcast I was on, I said I lost around 400k gambling. But right after that podcast, I actually was curious how much I actually lost because I thought that was around and that's actually inaccurate. I probably lost closer to.

[Podcast Host]

650. Holy.

[Evan Hovich]

Crap. $650,000. And this was all in a span. That core money was probably in the span of 6.

[Podcast Host]

Months. That's not so 100k a month. You were bleeding.

[Evan Hovich]

About. And my business was making anywhere from 100, 150k a.

[Podcast Host]

Month. So all the cleaning money, a.

[Evan Hovich]

Lot of the things I was making, well, in my coaching program. So all, like a lot of the money I was making was going to gambling. But thankfully, you know, I had other sources of income. I had a lot of money saved up and I invested properly. So it never took me out completely. And thank God it never took me out completely because, you know, I'm very blessed that I was able to get myself out of that. But the biggest thing I will say is realization and taking action are two different things. You can realize you have a problem, but if you do nothing about it, nothing will.

[Podcast Host]

Change. Right. And that's one of your issues. Right. So you don't like people that don't take.

[Evan Hovich]

Action. I don't like people that also don't take true accountability, because at the end of the day, it's always your fault. And I know you're a business owner, like, if something happens in your business or in your life, if you don't blame yourself, who are you going to blame? What does that do for you? Blame yourself, always. I think that's a massive point, is always take accountability, even if it's not your fault, quote.

[Podcast Host]

Unquote. I learned that from Tate.

[Evan Hovich]

Actually.

[Podcast Host]

Really? Yeah. He was the first one I saw talk about this, because I used to victim blame. I used to blame.

[Evan Hovich]

Others.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And there's no growth in.

[Evan Hovich]

That.

[Podcast Host]

No. Even if it was their fault, you're still like part of it. You know what I.

[Evan Hovich]

Mean?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You have to take some sort of.

[Evan Hovich]

Accountability.

[Podcast Host]

100. You also have an issue with.

[Evan Hovich]

Atheists, so that's an interesting topic. So I don't necessarily have an issue with atheists at all. I have a bunch of atheist friends. But here's what I truly believe. I truly believe godless people are the scariest people. And here's why. If you have no belief in God, where is your moral compass coming from? Right. Do I believe you could still be a good person? Atheist? 100%. But if you have no source of God in your life, what is right and what is wrong? Like, think about it, like terrorists. Right. Do they believe what they're doing is right? Absolutely. Where are they getting their morals from? I mean, a lot of the things that are happening in this country, you know, where are their morals coming from? I hope it's not society, because if your morals are coming from society, you know, you're going to start dressing up as a fucking dog walking around the sidewalk of.

[Podcast Host]

Phoenix. Yeah. If your morals come from society. Yeah. I guess you could easily be influenced that way too.

[Evan Hovich]

Right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You're going to follow whatever's.

[Evan Hovich]

Trending.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely. Whatever movement's.

[Evan Hovich]

Hot.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And then you're going to just be bouncing around. You have no actual opinion of your.

[Evan Hovich]

Own. Yeah, for.

[Podcast Host]

Sure. So I agree with that. What was the other hot take you had? Godless people. Was that all of.

[Evan Hovich]

Them? So, yeah, I mean, we could talk about.

[Podcast Host]

College. Yeah, we kind of touched on that. Yeah. Do you think college is a scam, like Charlie Kirk.

[Evan Hovich]

Did? College is a scam, depending on what you want to do. I would never want my doctors to not have, you know, a million years of education. But especially if you're going to be a business owner, the best learning and educational opportunities you can have is by doing the thing. Right. Getting experience, hiring mentors. But absolutely, college is a scam. You don't need four years to figure it out. You need to get to work. Right. And that's the one thing I can't stand about lazy people is lazy people want the most and they don't want to work for.

[Podcast Host]

It. How do you deal with lazy people as a boss? Do you just fire.

[Evan Hovich]

Them? I don't work with them. I absolutely will never work with a lazy person. And you could catch up on it real quick because, I mean, if someone's lazy, number one, they don't actually care about what they're doing and then they want everything. And that's why, you know, I like to hire actually a lot of offshore talent because, like, going back to that point before, people overseas are much harder workers. And a lot of Americans are, I feel like, are entitled overall. Now, obviously there's a bunch of incredible American workers and etc. But I like people that are going to work hard and not expect things that they don't.

[Podcast Host]

Deserve. Have you seen the studies on lazy people in.

[Evan Hovich]

Iq? Tell me about.

[Podcast Host]

It. So it's like a curve. So, like, if you're stupid, you're usually lazy, but then it kind of Goes up and then actually when you're really smart, like you're really high.

[Evan Hovich]

Iq.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Can use your brains to get by and be lazy, I guess it starts.

[Evan Hovich]

Dropping.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting. I think the sweet spot's like not genius but also not like.

[Evan Hovich]

Stupid. What do you. What about you? Would you work with a lazy.

[Podcast Host]

Person? Depends how lazy because I guess it's relative. You think of lazy, I think of like someone on the couch eating potato chips. But in, in general, no. Cuz I think you are who you surround yourself with. So I want to say you're around ambitious people. So probably not. This wouldn't be my first.

[Evan Hovich]

Choice. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely. You know what's next for you though, bro? Where could people watching this sign up and your.

[Evan Hovich]

Program? So I mean I do a bunch of different things. I have a webinar on January 8th at 7:30pm Eastern Time. They can go to my website remotecleaninginstitute.com youm can also find me on Instagram @evanhovich e v a N last name H O V I C H But yeah man, we're just building. We're scaling changing lives and really building out a mission and creating opportunity for people because that's one of the best parts about this country and being at an event like this, there are so many opportunities take advantage of it. And you know, one thing I do want to talk about as well is people that you know, come from different backgrounds. My family are immigrants. Right. My mom's from Russia, dad's from Ukraine, they came from there, immigrated here to the United States. I grew up in a one bathroom apartment with a single mom to one other sister at that time. You know, you create the opportunities. Now are some people place in better environments where maybe they have a little bit more access 100%. But if you want something bad in life, you can do it, right? Get off 2K, get off the Xbox and 2K is fun.

[Podcast Host]

Right? But four.

[Evan Hovich]

Nights. Four nights fun too. But you know, get off the game and go do something and you know, have fun when you've made it. Have fun when you've done something to be proud of. You know, don't be that person sitting on the couch eating potato.

[Podcast Host]

Chips. Do you think you should sacrifice the funness in your early.

[Evan Hovich]

Years? So no, I don't completely agree with that because you need to have some sort of balance, right? If you don't have balance and what's the point of living in a sense, right? So one time someone told me that, you know, make the money first and then go have fun. I agree with that to an extent. But you need to also be living life, you know, while you're doing these things, experiencing, etc. Because you never want to be that guy that spent, you know, 40 years of his life literally slaving away at his own job to become a billionaire. His kids hate him, his wife hate him, his family hates him. Nobody likes him. He's fucked over a lot of people along the way. You never want to be that.

[Podcast Host]

Person. I agree. When I was your age, I probably sacrificed a few years of fun. I gave up video games, you know, drinking, partying, all that.

[Evan Hovich]

Stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. If I had to do it over again, I would live a more balanced.

[Evan Hovich]

Approach. Yeah. Have you transformed your life in the way you want it to.

[Podcast Host]

Be? 100% now I'm like, I. It's still a work in progress. I love work. I'm addicted to work. But I. I don't work weekends as much anymore.

[Evan Hovich]

I. What do you think about work keeps you.

[Podcast Host]

Addicted. The.

[Evan Hovich]

Chase.

[Podcast Host]

Chase. The chase, man, I'm not stopping till I'm the number one show in the world. Give me some for.

[Evan Hovich]

That. Give me some for.

[Podcast Host]

That. Yeah, it's all about the chase. That's why when you make it, it's actually. You deal with mental health.

[Evan Hovich]

Issues. Yeah. What do you feel like when you say make it? Like, what do you define as making.

[Podcast Host]

It? It's different in every industry. I think in the podcasting space, it would be just to sell the show or get acquired by a.

[Evan Hovich]

Network.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. But when I made it originally, it was becoming a.

[Evan Hovich]

Millionaire.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Becoming self.

[Evan Hovich]

Sufficient. Yeah, 100%. And talking about becoming self sufficient, you know, especially when you have a family, I believe that as a man, it is your responsibility to be able to provide and take care of your family. And I mean, I have a lot of, you know, support, and I care a lot about people that obviously raise families. And even if the, you know, if the wife is the one working and the man is taking care of the kids, like, bless him, and that's an awesome situation to be in. But I think inherently as a man, we should have the ability to provide. You know, I think men that are threatened by women that are essentially, maybe doctors or have very. Are very high up in their professions, I think that's. They're insecure and that's an awful thing to be. But I just think inherently as a man, you should be able to provide and be in the position to provide, you know, especially if you want to have a family. I think there's Too many people out there that are not taking their life serious enough and are in a position where they're depending too much on external sources versus taking action and building something on their.

[Podcast Host]

Own. I haven't been in the dating market for a while, obviously, but I've heard crazy things about that. Like, what's been your experience over the years in terms of just woman ideology? This whole toxic masculinity movement? Feminism.

[Evan Hovich]

Yeah. So I don't believe there's such thing as toxic masculinity. Being a man is an awesome thing, and being a woman is an awesome thing, and I think that we all should embrace that. Toxic masculinity comes from, you know, liberals thinking just. I mean, I don't think there's. There's anything else to say. Liberals not. Not liking men for being men. And what happens to that? Because at the end day, if someone's gonna break into your home and you're a woman, who is going to protect.

[Podcast Host]

You? A.

[Evan Hovich]

Man. You know, now, there are obviously a few circumstances where that is not the case, but the man is going to protect you. By our DNA, by our build, we are genetically made up to be stronger, but faster. You know, we're. We're just different builds. Women are a lot better than us in some things, and we're a lot better in other things. But the fact that people say you are too manly or you're too much of a man.

[Podcast Host]

Is. Yeah, facts, man. Well, dude, we'll link your stuff below. Thanks for.

[Evan Hovich]

Coming. Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Man. Check them out, guys.

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