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First Amendment Fights: Lessons From 45 States | Enrique Torres & JP Ambriz DSH #1161
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Dive into "First Amendment Fights: Lessons From 45 States" as we explore the eye-opening world of First Amendment audits! Join Sean Kelly alongside Enrique from Auditing America and JP from Liberty Lens Audits as they share wild encounters, epic...
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Enrique Torres
Anybody more legit? I encourage everybody to do their own research, criticize the government in a positive way, in a bad way, however you want. But you have to check up on them, even if it is once a year. Everybody take one day, everybody this year, and go and check up on your government.
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JP
All right, guys, I have Enrique from Auditing America here and JP from Liberty Liberty Lens audits. And we're in Vegas. You guys end up getting arrested.
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Enrique Torres
Oh, man. Well, not this time. Not this time. We got assaulted a couple days ago by Juliana Miller from. From the ufc. We didn't even know who she was.
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JP
So where were you guys and what happened?
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Enrique Torres
Well, we were conducting a First Amendment audit. For those of you who don't know what a First Amendment audit is, that's what someone does when they want to investigate how good the service of the United States government employees is when it comes to respecting your freedom of the press, your First Amendment right to video record in public areas while exercising other constitutional rights, such as the fourth Amendment. So we have the right to our privacy. We don't have to discuss our day unless we're suspected of committing crimes. We don't have to provide id. So we showed up at the post office and we're doing our thing, and Juliana Miller happens to be at the. In the line and automatically becomes what they call on the Internet nowadays, a Karen. Yeah, she at first was cool with what we were doing. She was aware of what we were doing, and then turns out, making physical threats. And then I made a comment that triggered her to follow me and. And, you know, assault me by. By. By, you know, striking my. My touching my face, head, hat. All fault flew off and everything.
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Juliana Miller
Sounded vicious too.
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JP
Damn.
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Enrique Torres
So then she follows by fleeing and jumping. Jumping into uncommon traffic and jumping a whole wall. It was insane.
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JP
I didn't see that part. Yes.
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Enrique Torres
You gotta go check out the video, guys. She. She all the way at the end. She. I was like, she. It was. I was so surprised because obviously I didn't know she was an athlete. So it wasn't common for me to see 120 pound girl jumping a wall the way that she did.
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JP
So now what is your goal with these audits? Because we were talking off camera, you. You don't press charges. You've been arrested 10 times.
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Enrique Torres
We've pressed charges in, in the past in situations where, you know, we pretty much. Where we thought that that was the best thing to do. Yeah, but in the. We've never really gone to court and, and completely prosecuted anybody or had anybody been convicted because of any videos that we. That were out there to do. Because we're not out there to get anybody in trouble. Our. Our main goal during these audits is to educate the. The people that don't know. I'm on a mission to educate the people from Puerto Rico as well. You know, we are US territory with over 3 million American citizens who a lot of them don't speak English. Our Spanish is our first language. And even though they enjoy the rights that we have over here as a US Territory, a lot of them really don't really get it, I guess. So I'm out there also doing videos in Puerto rico and all U.S. territories. We've been to the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam. I got detained in Guam in the northern dam at the naval base.
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JP
That sounds scary.
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Enrique Torres
It was pretty.
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Juliana Miller
It was pretty scary.
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Enrique Torres
They took me inside the base and everything.
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Juliana Miller
So.
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JP
Are you allowed to film in the base?
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Enrique Torres
You can film from a public area.
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JP
Okay.
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Enrique Torres
So what happened was I. I made him. I made a small mistake. They in. In military bases, they have like the trap, the government line, the trespassing line or whatever.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
It's drawn on the. On the ground. There's not a sign anywhere. It's on the ground. So if you're driving and you. And you made like way before you make it to the front gate, you. You're already in their. In their property. So that's kind of what happened to us. We thought we were in. It was a misunderstanding. But I did get detained for a couple hours. I didn't get in trouble or anything. They let me go. They found out. Hey, we know, we know you're not. You're. You're. You're harmless. We know you're harmless. I'm like, yes, I am so. But we're out there trying to educate people.
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JP
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Enrique Torres
In a nice way. We try to, you know, do it a little bit entertaining, I guess as well, due to, we try to make it. We try to promote and praise the good too, because there's so much, you know, controversy and a lot of negative within the content that we do that. You know, we, we, we want more, we want to spread more love. You know what I'm saying? So we went to the post office and that unfortunate situation happened with, with that athlete. But that's just one of the situations. We've been, been all over the country right now. We're missing only about five or six states.
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JP
Damn. Yeah. Because you do the west coast stuff, right?
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Juliana Miller
Yep, yep. All over. I've been doing Vegas for maybe six, seven years, maybe.
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JP
Wow. And what have you seen in Vegas overall, good or like positive experiences?
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Juliana Miller
I've had a few interactions with office that are actually nice.
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JP
Okay.
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Juliana Miller
That they seem like they do care. And then there's always that saying, well, you know, if there's all these good officers, why aren't they turning in the bad ones? But then they get retaliated on too.
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JP
Yeah. From their point of view, I, I could see it. They don't want to risk their, their reputation, their job. Right.
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Juliana Miller
Yeah. Like my very first audit, it was at the post office on Charleston and Decatur. Okie and Decatur. And we're filming, doing a cool little story, same process. People started getting a little irate inside the office. We stepped outside. Wait for the officer. The officer, he goes, hey, step to the front of my car. He had already seen me before I got to the office. We didn't say anything mean. We're like, good morning, officer. All right, we'll step to the front. As soon as I step to the front, he grabs me from my throat.
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JP
Whoa.
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Juliana Miller
And chokes me onto his car. Just for filming. Just for filming. What his excuse was. Oh, you have all these weapons in your hand. They are career enders. That's it.
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JP
That is crazy. And you didn't want to pursue that in court.
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Juliana Miller
Lots of people, they're like, sue, Sue, Sue. But we're not here for the people's money. This is going to come out of taxes.
- [08:09]
Enrique Torres
Absolutely.
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Juliana Miller
I'm more concerned of people getting the education. Look, this is what happened. This is where he went wrong. And Learn from it.
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JP
Yeah, the education is huge. When I was growing up and please ask for my D. I would just hand over. Honestly, I thought that was the right thing to do because we grow up.
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Enrique Torres
Up with, with that, with that mentality, which is good. You know, that you. We have a society that we have police officers who protect the community and we can sleep safe in a country that we know that we have the best military as well protecting us. No other country is going to come and bully us. We're not. A lot of people think that our content may be considered some sort of bullying in a way, but that's just people who actually maybe run into one video and just don't understand the concept and the, and the, and the idea behind, behind the whole mission that we have in auditing America. And a lot of people, you know, but that's the First Amendment. That's what this country is about. That's why we, we as long as they don't violate any community guidelines from our, the platforms that. In the comment section, you're more than welcome to, to comment. Whatever, whatever you want. Because that's why I'm, that's why I'm out there. I'm, I'm preaching for the First Amendment. I want, I want you to be able to, to know that you can criticize me and we can criticize and as long as we're peaceful. Because once anybody starts speaking violence, then it become, it doesn't. First Amendment ends. Yeah, the First Amendment ends. It becomes disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace. You know, depending what you say, you can, you, you can get in different type of trouble. So we just want, we're just out there, man, checking up on public employees and making sure that, you know, they're nice. And if they're nice, we, we praise them. And if they're, if they're not as nice, unfortunately, we try to expose this.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
To, to, to the, to the world.
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JP
Have your videos either. You guys ever gotten someone fired.
- [10:26]
Enrique Torres
That we. As far as a police officer, no. But I know for a fact that one police officer did change jobs. She went and, and, and started working I guess somewhere else because of how much hate attention it got from. Yeah. And, and you know, some people, it also, a lot of people, I don't know, they just don't understand about our rights here in America. But a lot of people say, oh, well, you were wrong, Enrique, you were wrong. I'm like, at what point?
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Juliana Miller
What part.
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Enrique Torres
Any reasonable person that sees any of the videos that we, that we go and do knows that oh, well, you're not identifying yourself. You're not telling anybody. That's an app. I can't say any bad words, right?
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JP
You can. We'll just curse. Censor.
- [11:19]
Enrique Torres
Yeah, that's an asshole move. Well, sorry, I'm not trying to. I'm here to, to do an audit. So I can't tell you why I'm here or who I am because it defeats the whole purpose of an audit. I'm like the mystery shopper.
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JP
Yeah, it's like when those restaurant auditors announce they're coming beforehand, so they clean up the kitchen and everything, you know.
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Enrique Torres
Correct. Yeah. And, you know, we've been doing this. There's other people that are also doing these videos on the Internet. But us in Auditing America, we. We're pretty much the only ones that have gone face to face with Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, Mike Bloomberg, Donald Trump, seven or eight different governors in the United States. We've sat down with the governor of the Northern Mariana Islands speaking about freedom and the First Amendment. And we like, we like to. Everybody know, we like, we would like for everyone to know that the mainstream news is they're not just, they're not the, they're not the only press. You know, we are all the same. We are all the same here. We're all exercising the same right. Just because they have a gazillion dollars and a huge building and doesn't give them, you know, doesn't make them or anybody more legit. I encourage everybody to do their own research, criticize the government in a positive way, in a bad way, however you want, but you have to check up on them. Even if it is once a year. Everybody, you know, take one day, everybody this year, and go and, and, and check up on your government. You don't have to film. You can, you can, you can do it secretly, you know, you can, you can go with your, with your wife or with your husband and, and conduct business personally, something that you would probably do at home now because there's a lot of these services are provided through the Internet. Well, these buildings are still there for a reason. There's still employees there for a reason. And a lot of the times when people go to, in person to conduct these business, they kind of want to push them out.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
And tell them, hey, well, just do it online. Well, do it online. Well, we're here now, you know.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
So these people are ready to serve you. You guys are paying taxes that, that, you know, we're waiting for these taxes to make A big difference in our community. And we see all these billions and billions of dollars being spent and a lot of things that we would love to see never really happen. And it's just a matter of checking, checking up on where your taxes are going.
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JP
I grew up in Jersey. They never fixed those damn potholes over there.
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Enrique Torres
Oh.
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JP
Oh, man.
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Juliana Miller
Can I say something?
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JP
Yeah, go ahead.
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Juliana Miller
So another cool point that he brought up was that when you go in there, you don't have to record. You can take a notepad. That's part of journalism. When they say freedom of the press, it's not just recording. You're more than welcome. Take your notepad, sit down, you're still doing a job. You're taking your notes. Do whatever you got to do. Boom. Over there. If they try to kick you out, hey, I'm working on a story.
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JP
So they're allowed to kick you out, though.
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Enrique Torres
They're going to try to say that you're loitering. They're going to try to say that what you're doing is not legit. They're going to try to say that, you know, you're. You're fraud. But the reality is that people lie, but videos don't. So if you're going in there with a good purpose and you're stating it at the beginning of your video. Guys, we're here today, and this is exactly what we're going to do. We're not going to interfere with the business, but we're also expending, expecting no one to interfere with our business. We know that there's going to be reactions, but the reaction has to be controlled by us educating them, trying to deescalate the situation as much as we can. But a lot of people just flip, brother, and they just don't care. You know, I've been. I've been tackled by police officers. I've. Then the police parking lots, too.
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JP
Wow.
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Enrique Torres
Like, I was filming a police parking lot in Rhode Island. Six police officers just tackled me. And then the surveillance camera video magically disappears. Never makes it to court.
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JP
What about the body cam footage?
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Enrique Torres
Nothing. Nothing makes it to court. The only video that made it to court. Guess. Guess whose video?
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JP
Yours.
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Enrique Torres
My video. And we took it to trial. I was charged with disorderly conduct and disturbing. Not disorderly conduct. And resisting arrest. But I never resisted arrest ever, ever, ever, brother. And. And that would have been proven if that video that from the police department's camera would have been turned in as evidence. But since I knew there was a camera. Right. I said I didn't I don't resist. I had my video. I was never disorderly. I never trespassed. I'm going to trial. I said, screw that. So I take it to trial, and I'm like, okay, so here we. Because I, at that point, I still believed in the justice system.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
Here in our country. I said, no, this America, they have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that I did that. So how in the world if I didn't do it, they're gonna prove it? I was like, I'm good.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
So I made it to. I made it to. To. To trial, and then I'm found not guilty of disorder, conduct, thanks to my video. Thank God, because I had six tyrants that said that I was disorderly and was willing to put. Put me in a situation where I was facing up to a year and in jail in the state of Rhode island. And then only to find out during trial that I'm not guilty. Right. What happened that you guys. That you guys knew what you were talking about? This is simple stuff. How the hell did you guys mess up and put somebody in jail that was innocent? We just went to trial and I was found not guilty. Well, guess what? I was found guilty of resisting arrest. An arrest that I never. That. That. That I never resisted. And they're saying that I was resisting an arrest to. To. Which is resisting arrest is a secondary charge. So you need a first charge, a primary charge to get. To get resisting arrest, obviously. So the primary charge was disordered conduct, that I was just found not guilty.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
So you mean to tell me that I'm found guilty of resisting an arrest that I wasn't guilty. Guilty that you're saying that I wasn't guilty of? So that's exactly what happened to me. And I asked that. My attorney asked that at court, which, you know, they chewed my attorneys, if you know what I mean.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
They wouldn't let her really defend me, bro.
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Juliana Miller
It was crazy.
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JP
Wow.
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Enrique Torres
And so they find me guilty of resisting arrest. And then the judge says, well, in the state of Rhode island, it's illegal to resist a legal or an illegal arrest.
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JP
Whoa. That's crazy.
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Enrique Torres
So, so pretty much, in short words, if. If you're getting kidnapped by the police, take it easy, calm down. We have a system that's going to. That's going to free you. Pretty soon the normal reaction of a person who's taking. Being taken in custody illegally is to, like, not want to go.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
Even though I knew that I was putting myself in the line of a situation that that could happen, I still Never resisted. Because I know what resisting arrest could lead to. They kick your ass. Yeah.
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JP
They taser your ass.
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Enrique Torres
They can. They can legally do anything besides killing you in order to. It's apprehended.
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JP
That's happened. Yeah, man, that is scary.
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Enrique Torres
So we've. We've done. We have a lot of videos doing ID refusals. Those are tough.
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JP
Yeah. So what's the process with that, like? Because I see mixed comments on ID refusals. Like, if you get pulled over driving, do you have to give your id?
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Enrique Torres
Absolutely. That's because when you're driving, you. You're. You're driving is a privilege according to the government. You know, we have. They say we have the right to travel, but the right to travel is with. With these two right here. Because once you. You want to drive a vehicle, that's a privilege according to the government. So if you're driving a vehicle, you have to provide your driver's license. Obviously, the police officer has to have a reason to pull you over. You can't. Police officers can't just randomly pull people over. And the money. ID for. For a random. Or what is it that they call marijuana smell? Well, it depends on the state. To some. Some states marijuana is legal, and some states it's illegal still, which I think.
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JP
I got pulled over.
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Enrique Torres
They need to fix that.
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JP
No, they do. I got pulled over in Jersey once. And he said, because of the smell, get out of the car. So my friend and I both had to get out on the curb of the highway. It was so embarrassing. And there was nothing, nothing in there.
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Juliana Miller
Oh, they will bully you.
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Enrique Torres
Oh, yeah.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
It was crazy video. In Jersey, we were doing a First Amendment audit, and the police officer randomly just says, okay, hold on, I am sensing this way. Said I am sensing a strong raw odor of cannabis or something like that. He said, and I. And I think it may be you or you.
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JP
Wow. Targeted.
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Juliana Miller
And I said.
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Enrique Torres
And I said, and. And you know what? I. I had my marijuana medical card on me. And I said, but yeah, that's not. I said, what? That's not probable cause. I said. And he said, yes, the smell. That's the little loophole that they have, you know, because who's gonna go to. How is a police officer gonna go to court or anyone gonna go to court and. And prove that they indeed smelled anything?
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JP
Right. It's subjective.
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Enrique Torres
That's just. That's just one of these little loopholes where your Fourth Amendment can be violated just because of, you know, not saying all police officers. But this is obviously a large amount that. That doesn't respect our rights. And most, most of you that are out there watching these videos may be like, this guy's full of crap, but guess what? You guys have a life. You guys have a whole different type of job. I'm the one that's out there. My life is putting my life out there to make sure that these rights are being protected every single day for the past six years. And I'm the one that runs it to police officers every day. So I know for a fact that we have a big problem across the country. We're talking about Alaska, Hawaii. We're talking about, you know, in Alaska was pretty wild, really.
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JP
You would have never expected that in Alaska, man.
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Enrique Torres
You guys need to go check out our video from Fairbanks, Alaska at the dmv. That was pretty wild. We had. We had crazy employees, we had crazy citizens, we had terrible police officers who were trying to violate our rights and get us to leave. And if we didn't stand our ground and, you know, peacefully asserting our rights, Dave would have trampled on them.
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JP
Wow.
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Enrique Torres
And that video has hundreds of thousands of. Of views on our Auditing America. That was about 11 months ago. I encourage people to go watch those as well. Also, also shout outs to the Allen Report. That's our guy over there on the East Coast, Boston, Massachusetts, taking care of all these tyrants over there and praising the good officers as well. Praising good public employees. Shout us to the Allen Report. Any other questions that, you know, just.
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JP
Like, why do you guys think it's. It's so bad? Like, everywhere seems to be like, not just a one state issue. Right?
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Juliana Miller
Well, the first thing is accountability. It goes back to. People are afraid to show what's going on. Why? Because it goes back again to they have a job. If you get arrested that messes with your income, that could mess with your family. So a lot of people would rather just turn the other way, look around. And that's, that's one of the main problems.
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JP
Is it true these police, certain police officers have these quotas to hit when it comes to arrests?
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Enrique Torres
Some people say that. I'm not really not. I hope. I hope not. Yeah, you know, that's, that's not good. That means they're what is a revenue generators and they're not. That's not what their job is. Their job literally is to uphold the Constitution and, you know, if anybody, if anyone is breaking the law, holding them accountable. But, you know, we, we're the ones that have to hold police accountable as well for, for their misconduct. A lot of People get mistreated. Police officers sometimes are rude. It may not violate your rights, but they're rude. Was that necessary? Was it necessary for a police officer? No. If you, let's say you're speeding and, and you get pulled over, okay, I broke the law. Hit me with a ticket, whatever it is. Is it necessary for him to come over here and say something rude or smart or, you know, in an way, you know?
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Juliana Miller
No, they like to not part sometimes.
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JP
I think they do it on purpose.
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Enrique Torres
The thing is, it's, it's against their job. It's literally totally against their policy. Their policy is that they have to be courteous, professional, you know, they're police officers, bro. There's, they're supposed to be the good guys here, and we want it. Sometimes, bro, nine times out of ten, you try to shake a police officer's hand, they've got this gap, bro. There's this gap between us. For some reason they don't. And if they hear you like they hear us talking about, they're like, okay, you're one of these guys. You're one of those guys, huh?
- [25:53]
Juliana Miller
You're a sovereign citizen. And they start putting names.
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Enrique Torres
I've been called that too.
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JP
I'm like, no, sovereign citizen.
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Enrique Torres
I'm a U.S. citizen.
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JP
Oh, those are the people that get rid of their citizenship. Sovereign.
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Enrique Torres
I think, I think some weird stuff. I think they, they drive, they, they.
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Juliana Miller
Drive without IDs and stuff.
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Enrique Torres
They drive, they put, they put a paper on there, that's a license plate. I don't know. That's, that's crazy. That's wild. You know, I, I believe that we do need some order. Obviously, I, I agree with the, with the way things are supposed to go, but they're, they're, they're, they're not going the way they're supposed to go.
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Juliana Miller
We're definitely for sure not anti police.
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JP
That's good, right?
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Enrique Torres
Yeah, we're not, we believe we need.
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JP
So when the defund the police movement happened, what were you guys doing during that?
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Enrique Torres
Well, you know, I, I believe that each state should make the decision, whatever they want to do with the funds towards the police. But I, I think that the police does need funds, you know, to, to do their job. Some states, I guess police officers are getting paid a lot of money. You know, these guys, North Las Vegas.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
They got a $40,000 signing bonus.
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JP
Wow, that's impressive. And this is, to be fair, that is a dangerous area. So I'm assuming the cops in more risky areas get paid more.
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Enrique Torres
Yeah. You know, so well, and that's fine. I guess that's okay if they, if there's a bonus like that. But we need to make sure that the police officers from North Las Vegas are actually upholding the Constitution. We just uploaded a video about three weeks ago from the North Las Vegas post office. Not only police officers had no jurisdiction on federal property, but they went in there and they trespassed us illegally from the post office.
- [27:47]
JP
Really?
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Enrique Torres
Yes. So as of now, I'm trespassed from one of the post offices in North Las Vegas. Even though I was never disorderly, I, I never broke the law. I, I broke, I, I, I didn't break any policies because the policy from the post office, the rules and regulations of poster seven, which is the, the actual rules from the post office, has a whole section for news, for photographs for news purposes. So as long as you're in the for news purposes, pictures may be taken in entrances, lobbies, foyers, corridors, auditoriums, when, when used for public meetings.
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JP
Yeah.
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Enrique Torres
And then if it's any restricted areas, then obviously you need permission from security personnel, postmaster supervisor or somebody in charge.
- [28:44]
Juliana Miller
Yeah. And if this is a good video too, because he got trespassed from this place and if there wasn't no camera behind it, there would be no accountability. Now people can go back to this video and see how the employee is being irresponsible. He wasn't being professional and his job was really easy. All he had to do is, you know, if there was a nuisance, a they're okay, they can film, you should know how it works and just calm everything down. But instead he decides to instigate a little more, spice things up. And since he's a federal employee, we have police officers. They kind of tend to listen to each other a little more because we're the bad guys or where the instigators.
- [29:27]
Enrique Torres
Thing is, they never call, they never call the proper agency. They're supposed to call the postal inspector, the postal police. You know, those people are right around the corner from any post office in every.
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JP
I didn't even know that existed. Postal police.
- [29:42]
Enrique Torres
Yes. And then, trust me, it's hard to find them. But, but I've actually met postal police with the postal patrol car.
- [29:50]
JP
So what's the difference between them and a police officer?
- [29:52]
Enrique Torres
He's a federal police officer.
- [29:53]
JP
Oh, he's federal.
- [29:54]
Enrique Torres
Okay, so that's the thing, police officers and don't have any jurisdiction at the post office.
- [30:02]
JP
Oh, so they can't go in and arrest you?
- [30:04]
Enrique Torres
No, but they still do whatever they want. According to auditing America on video.
- [30:09]
Juliana Miller
They.
- [30:10]
Enrique Torres
We have city police going on to federal property. And because the thing is, they have to. If there's imminent danger, if there's something that's about to happen, yes, they can go in and neutralize the situation, but they are in. No, they have no jurisdiction to trespass anyone from there. They, at that point, if they really want it, that felt like anyone needed to be trespassed, they need to contact the postal inspector or postal police who's going to come or go over there and determine that, because he's the one that's going to. That has jurisdiction to investigate that. That incident.
- [30:49]
Juliana Miller
Especially over something super petty. In this case, it was really petty for the reason he got trespassed.
- [30:54]
JP
Wow.
- [30:55]
Juliana Miller
It was. It was really uncalled for it. But again, these videos jail these videos. They show who was in the wrong and people get to redress their government.
- [31:04]
JP
Yeah. Do you guys go in with big cameras or are they hidden? Like, what's the setup?
- [31:08]
Enrique Torres
We always, we always go with our phones because we want to promote the freedom of the press. And everybody already has everything they need if they have a phone. So everybody that you don't think that if you, if. If I'm telling you to go check up on your. Go on your local government, you need a whole YouTuber starter pack or something. You know, you guys have everything you need right here on your phone. If you want to work on a video or criticize or in a positive or negative way, your government, you have everything you need on your phone. So you can go ahead and do that.
- [31:46]
Juliana Miller
And it doesn't matter what kind of phone.
- [31:47]
Enrique Torres
Plus, it's an. It's more of. Since it's an audit, we don't want to look like the average camera guy as well walking in there because they'll already start getting the idea, okay, we got a news crew and just. We want them to just be like, be natural. We want to get a natural reaction of how they. What they do when they see a regular citizen using their camera phone in a peaceful way. When it comes to filming them as employees, that makes sense.
- [32:17]
JP
How do you guys choose where to go to? Are you getting tips from people saying this place is not operating correctly?
- [32:21]
Enrique Torres
Oh, yes. We get a lot of. We get a lot of emails and comments in our channel where people are suggesting and trying to get us to go places. For the most part, we, we just pretty much. We've been going. We play it by ear pretty much. You know, we're like, okay, I would sit down with the guys and like, yo, where we're going next week, let's see what's going on. We see whatever events that may be happening, and then we choose our location. But yeah, man, we're missing. We're missing the North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, we're missing. Soon we're gonna go to Utah. But we haven't done Utah. We haven't done Idaho. There's a few states we still haven't done, but.
- [33:09]
JP
So you've done about 45. You said earlier. Right. What would have been the best and worst?
- [33:13]
Enrique Torres
What I tell you, one of the best experiences that I had was pretty much, I'd say going to Alaska and doing these videos. I got to. I got to go through. I went to Juneau, Alaska. I went to Anchorage, and I went to Fairbanks. And not only. That was always kind of like my dream state to visit. Being from growing up in Florida. Alaska is like so far from us. So I always wanted to go see the nature over there in Alaska and. And being able to go do these videos over there and work and educate people at the same time enjoying living, you know, scratching another item from my bucket list, it was just amazing. But when it comes to respectful police officers, we have respectful police officers in every state. We have disrespectful police officers in every state. You know, we have some state capitol buildings that, I don't know, some, like, for instance, the Georgia state capitol. You can't go in there unless you. You provide ID People's building. Why do you have to waive your rights when. When you're going in? That's what. That's what that entire. That's what everybody in that building talks about our rights. That's what that place is about.
- [34:36]
Juliana Miller
Even here, even here at the courts. You know, the First Amendment states freedom of the press. No government agency, state, local, federal should impede. But they give you a piece of paper, they say you can't answer, you try to boom.
- [34:50]
JP
Well, I just go to court here.
- [34:52]
Juliana Miller
Yeah. Trespassing, and you go to jail. There is a courts that will let you, but you can kind of tell where the tyrants are and when they're not.
- [34:59]
JP
That's interesting. Wow. Yeah, that is very fascinating. I think people like you guys are needed though, are all still abuse their.
- [35:06]
Juliana Miller
Power like the first. I got started here originally. I'm a cop watcher.
- [35:11]
JP
What's up?
- [35:12]
Juliana Miller
A cop watcher is when you see a police officer having an interaction with someone else, you pull up to them with a certain amount of space and you'd start recording kind of like an audit. But you cop watch. You just watch, officers. I started a small furniture store, and then eventually I would have clients saying, hey, bro, I can't come make a payment today. And they'd be like, I got arrested. I got to do this. And eventually it started to line up, and they're like, bro, you need to go come check this dude out. I go, and this officer, he's just pulling random people over doing illegal searches. And I started recording him. He didn't like that.
- [35:51]
Enrique Torres
Boom.
- [35:51]
Juliana Miller
Next thing I know, he has it in for me. So every. Every other stop, he would see me. He tried taking me in all of them.
- [35:57]
JP
Damn.
- [35:58]
Juliana Miller
I've been arrested plenty of times. Maybe like, seven. Nine. Very, very petty arrests just for filming.
- [36:04]
Enrique Torres
We got arrested. We got arrested in 20, 21 here.
- [36:07]
JP
Both of you together.
- [36:08]
Enrique Torres
Oh, and with our boy and the Allen Report, we all got arrested for jaywalking.
- [36:14]
JP
What, people arrest you for that?
- [36:16]
Juliana Miller
You killed a village, dude.
- [36:18]
Enrique Torres
It used to be arrestable here till last year.
- [36:19]
Juliana Miller
Right. We got rid of it.
- [36:21]
JP
Were you on. Were you on the Strip?
- [36:22]
Juliana Miller
No, no. In front of the FBI building.
- [36:25]
Enrique Torres
So we did it.
- [36:26]
JP
Oh, wow.
- [36:27]
Enrique Torres
Yeah, we did an audit. We were filming the FBI building. They say, oh, you guys gotta get the hell out of here. So we left, and we're walking down the. Down the. Down the sidewalk. Never in my life. I. You know, they know. They say, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. So it isn't. But different states, different laws. But I guess they said, well, we'll let them go because they're gonna jaywalk. And we did.
- [36:54]
Juliana Miller
Yeah.
- [36:55]
JP
Wow.
- [36:56]
Enrique Torres
We jaywalked. And then this police officer just show up, and he's like, sit down. And I was like, no, I'm. If I'm being detained, I'm being detained. I'm right here. I don't have to sit down on the ground.
- [37:05]
JP
Was it the feds or was it the police officers?
- [37:07]
Juliana Miller
A little bit of all of them.
- [37:08]
JP
Wow.
- [37:08]
Juliana Miller
They grabbed them. They slammed them on the floor.
- [37:10]
JP
Holy.
- [37:11]
Enrique Torres
That day. Oh, I forgot about that.
- [37:12]
Juliana Miller
Yeah.
- [37:13]
JP
This is why I feel like you guys need hidden cameras on you at the same time, though.
- [37:17]
Juliana Miller
That was a crazy day. It was very, very corrupt that day.
- [37:21]
Enrique Torres
Tell him what the officer told me once. Once he took it. Yeah.
- [37:24]
Juliana Miller
He even told us he went to a point where he's all like, you know, you guys are poking the wrong pair. I'm. I'm gonna make sure I know which cameras were recording. Because he asked which cameras were recording, and we stayed quiet. He's like, all right, well, I'm gonna take all your phones. They took my phone for over a year.
- [37:39]
JP
What?
- [37:40]
Enrique Torres
And guess what? They took my phone too. And that was I 20, 21, right?
- [37:47]
Juliana Miller
Yeah, they took my phone.
- [37:49]
Enrique Torres
They took my phone and they never got it back.
- [37:52]
JP
What?
- [37:52]
Enrique Torres
I never got my phone.
- [37:53]
JP
They still have your phone?
- [37:54]
Enrique Torres
No, they probably destroyed it already. But they never. They never. I. I tried to give me the run around. I could never get through.
- [38:01]
JP
Damn.
- [38:02]
Enrique Torres
The proper person to obtain my camera back. He got his camera back.
- [38:06]
JP
How'd you get yours?
- [38:07]
Juliana Miller
I had to go through court. I went to the judge that the officer arrested me and I had the appointment with the judge. I told her, look, these guys are messing with me. They won't give me my phone back. I filed a motion to get my phone back.
- [38:20]
JP
Yeah.
- [38:21]
Juliana Miller
And yeah, she signed it. She's all like, I'm sorry. They were actually pretty cool. The prosecutor and the judge kind of saw that I'm a cool guy. I have no criminal record, and the same officer keeps taking me.
- [38:34]
JP
Just messing with you.
- [38:35]
Juliana Miller
Yeah. Yeah. So she signed it off. She's all like, yeah, you should get it within like maybe 14 days. Took me like another six months.
- [38:43]
JP
Jesus. You guys need a good ass lawyer.
- [38:46]
Enrique Torres
Yeah. They didn't give us.
- [38:47]
Juliana Miller
They don't want to take cases here. They're afraid. Ah, it's a money thing.
- [38:51]
Enrique Torres
Yeah.
- [38:51]
JP
Wait, why would they be afraid, though?
- [38:54]
Enrique Torres
I have no clue.
- [38:56]
JP
I guess FBI is a big opponent.
- [38:58]
Juliana Miller
I've gone.
- [38:58]
Enrique Torres
You know, I had a police. The officer that arrested us. Sorry to interrupt. They said every. He. This was his words to me. He said, every time I see you, you're gonna go to jail.
- [39:09]
JP
Jeez.
- [39:10]
Enrique Torres
I was like. And as I was handcuffed in front of the patrol car, he said that. And then he goes. And there was a FBI agent standing right there because it happened in front of the FBI. So a couple of FBI guys came over and they were just standing there while the, While the city police, Metro, right, did their thing. But I told the federal agent, which is the federal at the FBI are the ones that are supposed to protect our. Our first amendment rights and civil rights violations. If anybody gets their rights violated, it's the FBI who gets to investigate that police department. It just honestly really never really gets to that point. But I told the FBI agent, I said, did you hear what he just said? And he's. And he's like, oh, I don't think he meant that.
- [39:58]
JP
Like, I mean, they're probably friends.
- [40:01]
Enrique Torres
Yes, this guy, this guy meant that. You know, if, if he didn't mean that he wouldn't be putting me in jail right now for jaywalking.
- [40:10]
JP
Wait, so one guy arrested you seven times? What happened to that police officer?
- [40:13]
Juliana Miller
He's still there. What happened was we were recording. It was at night, maybe like 1:00 in the morning. Long story short, I was with two other auditors. We get him. He's telling this lady and this gentleman, let me see your id. You don't have registration? The gentleman pops out of his car. He has a little smile. He's nervous. The officer, he's all like, why are you smiling? Being a. Being an He. He goes, you know, if you keep smiling, I'm gonna take you to jail. And then his wife kind of like, said something he didn't like or something. He goes, all right, if you keep it up, I'm gonna make you and your baby walk these lonely streets. And you know how ugly it is in here. So we're recording that he didn't like all that coming out to the Internet. So there's a sidewalk. I put my foot on the gutter.
- [41:01]
JP
Yeah.
- [41:01]
Juliana Miller
He pulls up to me, he goes, you stepped on my roadway. That's pedestrian in the roadway. You're going to jail.
- [41:07]
JP
What?
- [41:08]
Juliana Miller
You're going to jail. I'm like, bro, there's a car in front of me. How am I supposed to get to my car? Do I freaking levitate? You know?
- [41:14]
Enrique Torres
Yeah.
- [41:14]
Juliana Miller
And just petty stuff like that. And then their thing is, you'll fight it in court later, but it makes them happy that they get to take you.
- [41:22]
JP
You get a bread on bread, they get the satisfaction.
- [41:24]
Juliana Miller
Yeah, yeah. And you can't do anything about. About it.
- [41:26]
Enrique Torres
Bread on bread. That's a terrible thing. You ever heard of that?
- [41:28]
JP
No. What does that mean?
- [41:30]
Enrique Torres
That's one of the trays they give you in jail.
- [41:32]
JP
Really? Holy crap.
- [41:34]
Enrique Torres
Bread and bread.
- [41:36]
JP
That's all they give you in jail, Bread.
- [41:40]
Enrique Torres
A lot of people get. Eat different food, but I was.
- [41:44]
JP
I was in jail for four hours once.
- [41:46]
Enrique Torres
There's one. There's one specific day that you get bread on bread in the morning for sure.
- [41:51]
JP
Damn. What's the longest you guys have been in jail?
- [41:53]
Enrique Torres
How many days were over doing these videos? On my first year, I got arrested three times, bro. So on my third arrest, even though I had a private attorney and everything, they. They revoked. I couldn't get. I couldn't get bonded out again because no bell. No bell, because I accumulated three arrests.
- [42:15]
JP
Is that how it works? Three arrests and you can't.
- [42:17]
Enrique Torres
Well, you're. Once you get Arrested, you bond out, Right. And you're supposed to not get arrested again. If you get arrested again, that violates your terms and conditions from your bail. And then you could stay in jail for as. As long as the case goes.
- [42:34]
JP
Wow.
- [42:35]
Enrique Torres
Unless your attorney fights for you to be able to receive another bond or something like that. So that's what happened. My, My. The second time my attorney got me a bond, and then. And she's like, don't audit no more for. Wait, wait. But I just couldn't.
- [42:55]
JP
You got that itch.
- [42:56]
Enrique Torres
I couldn't. There was. There was no way. I needed to go out. I needed to go.
- [42:59]
JP
I mean, that's how you make a living. Do.
- [43:01]
Enrique Torres
So this is. Some people. Some people just don't understand. They're like, oh, these guys have nothing to do. You don't have a life. You know, I'm like, bro, we're. We've been creating content for six years. We're. We're trying to be nice people. Everywhere we go. We try to show people that the First Amendment is for everybody, not just for the mainstream news. And, And a lot of people are willing to learn. Some people just still don't agree.
- [43:30]
Juliana Miller
It's a hard job, what we do, you know, I mean, no one. We've all been in traffic, and no one says, when there's a cop car behind you, oh, I feel super sick.
- [43:39]
Enrique Torres
Yeah, everybody. And, and, you know, even police officers, they know that. The, the average person, when they see the. Those lights on their rear view, my heart drops.
- [43:51]
Juliana Miller
Yeah.
- [43:51]
Enrique Torres
Even if you have nothing, even if you're the nicest person that would never. That has never broken the law and that, you know, all you would. All you did was going 5, 6, 7 over the speed limit, and you got arrested. People still get nervous. Yeah, people shouldn't be nervous when. When the police comes over.
- [44:09]
Juliana Miller
Exactly.
- [44:10]
Enrique Torres
They. They. You know, that the police officer should be nervous, but he needs to be professional. Us, we are. We are there. We are their bosses. They work for us. Not telling you to be disrespectful or treat, you know, freedom like, like, like your employee. But yes, if the police officer, if you can see that the police officer is missing on something that you obviously know that him, as a police officer, it is within his job to do. You can remind him. You can remind him. I mean, he probably tell you, don't tell me how to conduct my investigation.
- [44:45]
JP
Oh, he'll definitely say that.
- [44:47]
Enrique Torres
But you have the right to. To speak. Speak up your speech, baby. To, to let them know how you feel. To Let them know what you want. You know, you, A lot of, a lot of people say they have all these political beliefs and, but they never do anything about it. But sit down, keyboard warriors in the kitchen or in the, in the, yeah, in the comment section, they're in your.
- [45:15]
JP
Comments hating on you.
- [45:17]
Enrique Torres
Oh no, that's another thing some people say, oh, well, you know, in the comment section there's all these people everybody hates. I'm like, no. Well, you know, usually when the, when somebody likes a video or, or whatever it is they're watching, if they like it, it's rare that a person, I mean, there's a lot of people that do, millions of people that actually do and go and praise, praise you for your great content and you're in your great work. But most of the time when somebody likes something, they either like it or they share it. But it's, it takes, it takes for you to touch somebody's heart for, for them to leave a good comment. Now guess who's the first one right there in the comment section to, to leave a bad comment? The hater.
- [46:00]
JP
The trolls. Yeah.
- [46:01]
Enrique Torres
Oh man, they, they, they, they, they love it. There's some people that also do these videos live, live make a living out of stealing our videos and then trolling us. So wow. Good luck to them.
- [46:14]
JP
Well guys, what's next for you? Where can people watch your stuff and learn more about this type of stuff?
- [46:18]
Enrique Torres
Well, I encourage everybody to go to the First Amendment Network as well. That's our new platform. We need everybody to go there. Check out the First Amendment network. We got over 60 videos already new published over there on Las Vegas, Washington, D.C. new York, New Jersey. Find auditing America everywhere. Find us on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. Find me on Facebook. Enrique Torres. Find the Allen Report. Make sure you guys go check out the Allen Report. Shout outs to him. Shout outs to Liberty, Lens, audit. Standing up for freedom over here on the West Coast. Auditing America, rain or shine. You guys are never, you guys are never gonna know when we're gonna pop up. But we're gonna be in your city pretty, pretty soon. And once we're done doing all these states, guess what, guys? We're gonna do it again.
- [47:04]
JP
Run it back.
- [47:05]
Enrique Torres
We're gonna run it back because that's why that, that's why Mr. America does what he does. As we say in every of our videos, you know, there's a reason behind this and it's because we want.
- [47:15]
Juliana Miller
Don't be afraid to use your phones, your cameras. I feel another cameras, your phones. Are like your best friends nowadays. I feel like Mr. Peanut, the squirrel guy.
- [47:26]
JP
Yeah, he just came on.
- [47:27]
Juliana Miller
Yeah, he would, he would have a, maybe a possible different outcome if he was recording everything.
- [47:33]
JP
They probably wouldn't have let him, to be honest.
- [47:35]
Juliana Miller
He's allowed to. He's allowed to. And that's, that's a lot of. That's where it goes. People don't know that they're allowed to. They feel that if a police officer tells you step back or go away or turn your phone off, you're not allowed to record. You can.
- [47:48]
JP
You just have to maintain a distance. You said earlier, right?
- [47:50]
Juliana Miller
It depends. Like for me, when I go cop watching and I'm doing these watches in front of police cars, I keep like 10, 15ft. It's been taken to court already. The judge said, yeah, there's no specific foot, but 10, 15 is good.
- [48:07]
Enrique Torres
And anybody that wants to go out and do these videos, by all means, you know, do them, but be safe. Yeah, you know, there's, there, there's. Officer, this is not a joke. You know, there's officers out there dealing with criminals as well. You know, you don't, you never. We never know that if one of these cop watching videos that we're doing, it's a guy that's wanted for murder.
- [48:28]
JP
Right.
- [48:28]
Enrique Torres
He's willing to do whatever it takes to get out of there. You know, it's dangerous. So a buddy, always a distance.
- [48:35]
JP
Absolutely.
- [48:36]
Enrique Torres
Stay safe and continue sharing the word for the Constitution and freedom and the first Amendment.
- [48:45]
JP
Love it. Thanks for coming on, guys. We'll link both of your channels below. Thank you.
- [48:48]
Juliana Miller
Thank you for having us, brother.
- [48:49]
JP
Yep.