Former Child Star Exposes Hollywood's Mind Control Techniques | DSH #1998

Summary

Digital Social Hour #1998

Guest: Annika Lucas — Former Child Star Exposes Hollywood's Mind Control Techniques

Release Date: June 4, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, Sean Kelly interviews Annika Lucas, a survivor and whistleblower who recounts her harrowing experiences as a former child sex slave within elite global networks. Annika discusses Hollywood's mind control techniques, her survival from a brutal and secretive child trafficking ring, the normalization of abuse in media, and her long road to healing. Her insights uncover the psychological conditioning of child stars, the connections between global elites, and the mass manipulation tools used today. This episode is raw, unsettling, and deeply moving, ultimately focusing on hope, the rise of collective consciousness, and paths to recovery.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Annika’s Public Journey & Public Perception

• Positive Feedback Over Time

  • Annika shares that after 13 years of speaking out, attention to these topics has grown, with an increase in positive feedback, especially after certain files were released.
  • She notes minimal direct disbelief:
    • "I never really suffered so much from people not believing me…unless from trolls online, but, you know." — Annika (05:03)

• Navigating Disclosure

  • Annika explains her cautious approach, knowing the public often can't comprehend the extremity of her experiences.
    • "It is completely crazy, and that's absolutely true.…I’m very mindful of that because I think it's crazy, too." — Annika (05:17)

2. Normalization of Abuse in Pop Culture & Media

• Contemporary & Historical Pushes

  • She draws parallels between the current era and the 1970s, where media pushed boundaries around pedophilia and incest, noting continued attempts at normalization via division, movies, and television.
    • "In the 1970s, when I was growing up, we also had a push to normalize pedophilia then… you know, I don't know if you ever saw the movie the Blue Lagoon and very pedophilic content." — Annika (05:46)

• Incest & Sexualization in Media

  • The host and Annika discuss the proliferation of incest jokes in high-profile shows and the sexualization of young women, blurring societal boundaries.
    • "And now incest is something that people joke about all the time, and that normalizes pedophilia." — Annika (07:18)

3. Hollywood & Mind Control Programming

• Personal Training for Stardom

  • Annika details her “training” as a child to be a singer and actor, including sexual abuse intended to affect her voice and conditioning through humiliation and nudity.
    • "I had singing lessons where I was being molested just to affect...my voice." — Annika (08:19)
    • "[Training involved] making me look natural as a child…naked, surrounded by adults, with photography and everything… to make me feel used to the fact that my body was gonna be not my own." — Annika (08:59)
    • "That was to change…and then I would, because of the impact, you know, I would sing differently and of course breathier because someone's, you know, touching you and making you…breathe." — Annika (10:22)

• Naming Names vs. Consequences

  • She retraces her reluctance to name perpetrators, noting systemic impunity and personal risks, including psychological 'programming' that triggers suicidal thoughts when disclosure occurs.
    • "I started out not wanting to name anybody...it's just me taking big risks, but it's never made a difference...People have been naming these perpetrators in the 80s...nothing’s ever changed." — Annika (10:55, 11:16)
    • "There's so much programming...when I say a new name, usually it's followed by suicidal thoughts." — Annika (11:44)

• Mind Control Techniques (MK Ultra & Beyond)

  • Descriptions of dissociation, trauma-based programming, and torture, sometimes involving electrocution, spinning, and forced amnesia.
    • "It is exactly like that…The MK Ultra is the combination of the German with the American. So Americans were already doing it, and then after the war, Operation Paperclip brought all these scientists here..." — Annika (12:02)

4. Networks of Power: Rituals, Blackmail & the Global Elite

• High Profile Perpetrators & Institutionalized Abuse

  • Annika describes gatherings with global elites, including human trafficking for rituals and rewards.
    • Notable names discussed include Prince Philip, David Rockefeller (her “owner”), Pierre Trudeau, and Alexander Yakovlev.
    • Rituals coinciding with major political events (e.g., Bilderberg meetings, Beltane).
    • "There were festivities, you could say, at a Rockefeller estate...he decided to use me...he had this idea to make me into the star, and then I would be his star." — Annika (19:32, 20:06)
  • "There certainly were no…problem with politics. The only thing is...everybody was spying on each other and using those child slaves to gather information." — Annika (24:46)

• Training for Blackmail & Intuition

  • She was forced to identify men’s perversions via extreme psychological and physical torture.
    • "I was being forced to recognize man's sexual perversions... chained...with those things that keep your eyes open, forced to watch a screen." — Annika (25:19)
    • "If I didn't know it, then...the doctor...would strangle or drown me...in that unconscious state, my intuition would open." — Annika (26:12)
    • "That was the whole training…intuition and subconscious, indeed." — Annika (27:28)
    • Annika elaborates that this intuition could sense perversion "instantly" (27:36).

5. Technology as Mass Mind Control

• Modern Tools of Manipulation

  • Annika remarks on the evolution from individualized programming to widespread technological mind control, such as through devices and social media.
    • "Mind control slaves now, the programming goes even deeper…phones are used extensively, games are used extensively to keep mind control slaves tied to the network." — Annika (28:05)
    • "I think it was always there from the beginning of TV…mass mind control was always there, but yes, now it's just amplified." — Annika (28:34)

• Hope in Rising Consciousness

  • She notes an increase in societal awareness and compassion, suggesting a collective push against these manipulations.
    • "I just see people getting more and more aware and also kinder and more loving...So I think that there's an increase in awareness." — Annika (29:22)

6. Satanic Rituals and the Role of Elite Families

• Insider Exposes Ritual Practices
  • Annika details ritual abuse, satanic gatherings, and the involvement of elite families, including their own children.
    • "Their own children get exposed to these rituals and also to the mind control." — Annika (31:38)
    • Her “throwaway child” status changed when Rockefeller took a personal interest, highlighting a hierarchy even among victims (32:03).

7. The Structure & Psychology of Secret Societies

• How Secret Societies Recruit and Control
  • Annika breaks down the system of rewards, punishments, and advancement based on cruelty—culminating in the highest echelons of power and perversion.
    • "The crueler you are, the more benefit you receive...so then when you end up in the Satanist circles, it is about...sacrifices." — Annika (35:34)
    • She describes the psychological mechanism: disconnection from innocence and self-worth drives perpetrators to abuse for fleeting relief from shame.
    • "When you abuse a child as an adult, then that burden momentarily gets completely lifted off your shoulders." — Annika (41:32)
    • Discussion of Satanism as an umbrella rationale for the ultimate pursuit of power via perversion; most never reach or even understand the “higher realms,” which are by invitation only.

8. The Difficult Road to Recovery

• Therapy and Integration of Trauma

  • Annika outlines her healing journey: years of therapy, hypnotherapy, recurring flashbacks, and physical manifestations of trauma.
    • "All combined really…therapy was what gave me the consciousness." — Annika (44:07)
    • "Whatever was repressed...it was coming in flashbacks in the beginning...so much pain, so much grief, so much suffering really that I went through..." — Annika (66:49)

• Programming to Suppress Memories and Destroy Will

  • Survivors are programmed for silence, self-destruction, and failure ("discard programming") when no longer “useful.”
    • "I was reprogrammed...so I would never be successful...made to feel so bad about myself...that I would, you know, end up maybe a drug addicted prostitute or something..." — Annika (58:44)

• Long-Term Hope for Survivors

  • She describes her joy in supporting fellow survivors and instilling hope through her own recovery:
    • "It's wonderful because the healing, the recovery of really going to my own pain...I would know myself better, I would understand it for other people. And that's what happens in these sessions, that I know exactly where somebody is because most of the time I've been there." — Annika (66:14)

9. High-Profile Case Overlaps and Systemic Cover-Ups

• Marc Dutroux Case & Systemic Corruption
  • Explains the notorious Belgian trafficking case and systemic sabotage of justice.
    • "In the beginning, everybody knew that this was VIP Belgian network…survivors came forward…but it was sabotaged…it was closed again." — Annika (61:27)

10. Final Reflections: Consciousness, Healing, and Society

• Hope Through Healing and Awareness
  • Annika’s closing words focus on trauma as a universal experience and the necessity of self-awareness:
    • "Healing is the most important thing for everybody. You have to get rid of your blind spots...bringing everything out into the light of consciousness…that is why consciousness is rising." — Annika (69:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Media Hypnosis:

  • "When you look at a TV, it works as a hypnosis...that’s why you get glued to the TV." — Annika (47:33)

• On Secret Societies:

  • "It's only by invitation because it's the people who get what it's really about, that it's really about perversion." — Annika (39:58)

• On Recovery and Collective Healing:

  • "I'm the hope because I've healed from it...when you have memories, that really serves everybody. Because now that thing that happened, that is now in the general consciousness now." — Annika (68:23)

• On Elite Networks:

  • "There's many more, but there really is one [network]...because it went from Belgium, they then set up this ritual to please David Rockefeller, who was there for the Bilderberg meetings..." — Annika (37:58)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Annika’s public journey & response – [04:44–05:27]
• Media normalization & Hollywood patterns – [05:46–07:18]
• Annika’s personal Hollywood experience & training — [08:07–10:22]
• Naming perpetrators and risks – [10:55–12:02]
• Mind control (MK Ultra, trauma.) – [12:00–13:53]
• High-profile abusers, networks, and rituals – [19:24–24:05], [29:55–33:28]
• Training for blackmail/intuition – [25:15–27:28]
• Technology & mass mind control – [28:05–29:32]
• Secret societies, satanic psychology – [35:34–42:38]
• Therapy, healing journey, and hope – [44:07–47:14], [66:14–70:41]
• Marc Dutroux & systemic cover-up – [61:26–63:53]
• Final remarks on healing/consciousness – [68:23–71:13]

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Conclusion

This episode offers an unfiltered and at times harrowing look into the mechanisms of abuse, control, and recovery. Annika's testimony both shocks and inspires, providing rare insight into the psychological tactics used by abusers, the complicity of high-profile individuals, and the systemic nature of child exploitation. Despite the darkness, Annika emphasizes the rise of collective awareness, the importance of confronting our own traumas, and the possibility of profound healing and hope—for individuals and society alike.

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[Annika Lucas]

And of course phones are used extensively. Games are used extensively to keep mind control slaves tied to the network and callback programs and everything is very strong. I know that brainwashing is always there when you look at a tv. It works as a hypnosis. There's so much programming of like when I say a new name, usually it's followed by a suicidal thought and everything that I have to then watch because I was programmed to never speak out.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, guys, special guest today we got Annika Lucas. Incredible story. Have seen her on many shows. Just brought her book as well. Quest for Love. We'll link it in the video. Thanks for coming on today.

[Annika Lucas]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Welcome to Vegas. So it's been, I think you said almost 30 years since you've been here, right?

[Annika Lucas]

That's right. Yes. I was learned 80, so 40 years. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Well, welcome back. I'm honored you came for the show. That's incredible.

[Annika Lucas]

Yes, I'm here also Recording something else. But I'm. I'm very glad that I could meet you.

[Podcast Host]

Nice. How's everything been since you've gone public? Going on all these podcasts, exposing. Some people talked about your story. How's the feedback been overall?

[Annika Lucas]

So I've been public since 13 years already, so really it's been a very slow gaining of attention of this subject, and then more and more positive feedback. Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I would say these days it's more positive. Right. Especially after the files got released. Probably more people believe you now.

[Annika Lucas]

Yes. I never really suffered so much from people not believing me.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. Unless from trolls online, but, you know. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Nice. That's good. Because I feel like it's. To some people, it's such a crazy thing that they can't believe it. They can't comprehend it, but it is

[Annika Lucas]

completely crazy, and that's absolutely true. So I try to be careful, you know, in the way that I speak about things, because it is so crazy. And I'm very mindful of that because I think it's crazy, too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

It wasn't me who did it, but it's crazy, so to speak about it. I hope that I can speak about it and also write about it in a way that people can understand it on a deeper level, psychologically also.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think more of it's taken place right now compared to when you were doing it, like, involved with it, or is it that the same?

[Annika Lucas]

I mean, you know, nothing really has. It has. It hasn't stopped, clearly. But I don't think it's more. Yeah, I do see maybe a push in which, you know, in the 1970s, when I was growing up, we also had a push to normalize pedophilia then, really? So, yeah, there was a lot of material out there. You know, I don't know if you remember if you ever saw the movie the Blue Lagoon and very pedophilic content. And it was really being pushed. And of course I was going to be part of that. That's part of my story. And then I do, you know, you do see that. You do see that push to normalize it again in different ways.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. What kind of ways are they doing it these days, you think?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I think right now, very strongly through division. And so the political division is making some people, you know, want to hang the pedophiles, and other people want to, you know, sort of smooth it out.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Annika Lucas]

So division.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I feel like through the movies, too.

[Annika Lucas]

All the time.

[Podcast Host]

All the time. Right.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I feel like they're normalized. Very young looking woman being in relationships with older people.

[Annika Lucas]

Always. And also incest jokes, you know, like really good shows and you know, fun is always. I don't know that.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, you didn't watch that? No. Wow. There was a lot of incest though.

[Annika Lucas]

Okay. And also making jokes about it. Like some of the funniest shows is always incest jokes. And then you, you find yourself laughing at things that you. Wait a minute. That's awful.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that's true. Because they normalize it, right?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

And now incest is something that people

[Annika Lucas]

joke about all the time and that normalizes pedophilia. Because what is incest other than that? Usually, that's what it is.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So they've been doing this for a while though. You said in the 70s they were doing this.

[Annika Lucas]

Oh, yeah. There's been this large push. I mean, I think it started way earlier than that. I think it started right from the beginning. You know, when you see those, those children that were the early Disney kids. You know, the same thing. There's a documentary temple, you know, there's a documentary about.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. Drake Bell, who I'm friends with, was one of the victims. Sexual abuse by his own. I think it was like producer or something, you know, terrible. But that's common in Hollywood.

[Annika Lucas]

So common. And it's so common. You know, I was also going to be a performer, so that was completely part of the training. So supposedly.

[Podcast Host]

Really? What kind of performer? Acting?

[Annika Lucas]

Singer? Actor? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So you saw a lot of, a lot of that while you were doing that?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I wasn't doing it. I was. I had one performance in the network and then I rebelled and then I got thrown out.

[Podcast Host]

Dang. So that's when it all started for you?

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah, Well, I was being prepared at age 9 and I was thrown out at age 10 and I was kind of thrown back to the Belgian network. So it wasn't the end of sex slavery for me, but it was a year in which I was being prepared for a role on. As an. As a singer, actor and in. I had singing lessons where I was being molested just to affect. Supposedly to affect my voice and what?

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Annika Lucas]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

At 10 years old. So how would that affect your voice though?

[Annika Lucas]

Breathier.

[Podcast Host]

Breathier.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

What is, what is that? I'm not sure.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, so I was, I spent as part of this training and it's sort of jumping in here, but as part of this training I spent like about two weeks in which was really a large basement in a castle in France. I was going to be a French performer. And there I was, I was naked the whole time. I was surrounded by an entourage who were doing my hair, makeup, everything to make me look natural as a child, but then like an elevated version of that nine year old child looking. And then I was naked and they were dressed and that was to make me feel used to the fact that my body was gonna be not my own, but was gonna be worshiped and then an object of worship for the masses. And of course in France you would be naked a lot on screen also. That would be part of it. So I had to be used to it, used to being naked. So that took a little bit. And then I did get used to that kind of. Because these adults weren't like creepy. There was also photography and everything. And then I had. There was a large room with a piano in the middle and. And the. The person who was training me there was a famous composer, pop singer in France. And you know, he would prepare me for, you know, the singing, the choreography. I was then my mother in Belgium was then sending me to music school also. And then he would. Yeah, he would just touch me.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Sexually. And then that was to. He said then that was to change, you know, and then I would. Because of the impact, you know, I would sing differently and of course breathier because someone's, you know, touching you and making you. Making you breathe.

[Podcast Host]

So that's insane. And you said he was famous.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Did you ever publicize that person or.

[Annika Lucas]

No, no, no, that's. As Cornzer once said, he's still. I feel comfortable.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

But you have said a few. I saw you on PVD show, named the couple. Right?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Podcast Host]

How you decide? I guess because there's so many.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I started out not wanting to name anybody. I didn't think it was that important. I thought it was more important to name, you know, because it wouldn't make a difference to name someone. It's just me taking big risks, but it's never made a difference. People have been naming these perpetrators in the 80s. Bryce Taylor, Kathy O', Brien, they were all naming perpetrators. Lots of them.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

Nothing's ever changed.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Nothing's ever happened.

[Podcast Host]

No one ever got arrested?

[Annika Lucas]

No, no, not at all.

[Podcast Host]

They're just so powerful. Right. That they are above the law.

[Annika Lucas]

Above the law. And you know, it's not as if I'm going to name someone that something's going to happen, but I do get threats and of course I always have to measure. It's just me, you know, so I have to measure what I feel comfortable with. And I also, of course, have been programmed to not name people. So I also have to deal with my own kind of trauma that comes in. There's so much programming of, like, when I say a new name, usually it's followed by. By suicidal thoughts and everything that I have to then watch because I was programmed to never speak out.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So it's like MK Ultra.

[Annika Lucas]

It is exactly like that. I don't think it was exactly that because it was the German original version. The MK Ultra is the combination of the German with the American. So Americans were already doing that here. And then after the war, Operation Paperclip brought all these scientists here, which were basically the Nazi doctors that were doing that in Germany. So I got the original German version and they combined the two here.

[Podcast Host]

There's a story that's big in America. You might not have heard of it, but there's a lot of missing scientists. Yes, you have heard. So basically there's a theory that, similar to your story, where they'll have a programmed ending their own life type of thoughts, some sort of trigger, and then they think about these thoughts and then a lot of them are ending their own lives, you know?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes. And those are put in with, you know, repetition and torture at the same time so that normally A leads to B. So it goes with having the memories in the first place because you get dissociated in the process. So having the memories, you get a lot of torture to dissociate, to forget, to create the amnesic barrier walls a lot with electrocution and.

[Podcast Host]

Gee.

[Annika Lucas]

Oh, absolutely. Spinning.

[Podcast Host]

My gosh.

[Annika Lucas]

You get spun around so that you're completely dazed and then you get programmed and you get spun out of it as well. And then.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah, it's very scientific. It's very well thought out. I was always impressed when I was in this training, which again, it was in Germany. It was in Heidelberg. I was there for a whole month. And I was always impressed with how professional it was because I saw myself change. But it's based on me being drugged the whole time and being tortured the whole time in order to create these results. And then with forcible repetition.

[Podcast Host]

Right. And you were 10 years old when they were doing that to you?

[Annika Lucas]

Nine.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, nine. Wow. And you still remember pretty vividly how it went?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I remembered it again. I started remembering it and it was really difficult time remembering it because it's always about your life's in danger every time. That's the trauma. And then. And then you get programmed through the, through the, through the torture. So it gets dissociated because that's the natural reaction anyway to trauma, to that kind of sudden trauma. But that's how they torture you. And then they do everything to keep it dissociated so that you won't remember and so that you can be a mindless slave for them. So that you can go and do things and not even know that you're doing it for them. So I was going to get a role in the network as a singer, performer. So I was going to be part of it. So I was being trained then in that year to become part of them. So I had to also then give my will. And then it was going to be a little more complex that it wasn't just. I wasn't just being used for particular tasks. I was going to be one Persona, but it wasn't me, that Persona. So. But I was going to be completely identified with that Persona.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And this was in France you said?

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So if it's happening in France, there's a good chance it happens in other major countries.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, it's clearly visible. It's clearly obvious to me that a lot of the performers are in fact mind controlled. And it's pretty obvious also that they are, which I was also going to have to do is to just perpetuate their messaging.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it does seem pretty obvious to me too.

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[Podcast Host]

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[Annika Lucas]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

They seem very. You don't ever seem to speak out about anything?

[Annika Lucas]

No. And they can't, you know, that was very clear that my whole Persona had to be in line with their messaging. So if I was going to have opinions as a star, they were going to be in line with what they wanted me to say. It wasn't going to be anything controversial ever.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So you weren't allowed to voice that ever, Right.

[Annika Lucas]

I wouldn't have it.

[Podcast Host]

You wouldn't even have it.

[Annika Lucas]

You wouldn't have it? No.

[Podcast Host]

You're so programmed. You can't have your own opinion.

[Annika Lucas]

Right. And it's crazy. Right?

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Annika Lucas]

And then if you do, then you know it's a problem.

[Podcast Host]

Kanye west, right?

[Annika Lucas]

I don't know. Really. I don't know about him exactly. Who knows? But I knew, I do know that you would then either get reprogrammed or, you know, there's a Club 27. So there's all these people that die also. So it's not clear because I was there for a relative short time.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, you're one of the few that got out. I don't know anyone that's escaped us, to be honest.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I know a lot of people that are out or that are trying to get out, but that would never go public.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

Because it's too risky for them because of the programming. Mostly because we. We are so programmed to stay quiet that for most people, it's not even. It doesn't even enter their mind ever to ever go public. But since I was trained to be public also, it is a little bit easier for me.

[Podcast Host]

That makes sense. Wow. Well, thanks for doing this. I mean, you've named some. Some people on other shows. There was a couple names that you've never mentioned before. Is it okay if I ask about them?

[Annika Lucas]

Absolutely, yes.

[Podcast Host]

Prince Philip. So that was Queen Elizabeth's husband.

[Annika Lucas]

That's right. That's right.

[Podcast Host]

She's someone you had an encounter with.

[Annika Lucas]

That's right. So I have talked about the gathering. So today's May 1st. It's Beltane. It's a big satanic holiday today. And in the network, the week leading up to May 1st is very big. And so there were festivities, you could say, at in state, a Rockefeller estate. So David Rockefeller was my. You could say my main handler or not a handler. But he. Well, he thought of himself as my owner.

[Podcast Host]

You could say agent or manager. No, not official.

[Annika Lucas]

No, creator.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, creator.

[Annika Lucas]

More owner.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Owner of the slave.

[Podcast Host]

Geez.

[Annika Lucas]

No, no. There were other people that would be managers and everything. That was all arranged. But he was the one who had. I had been gifted to him by the Belgian network. I was born in Belgium and I was gifted to him. And then he decided to. To use me.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

And he. He had this idea to make me into the star, and then I would be his star. So then I would also be sold. I was already sold in that year after that training, you know, at age nine, I had this training, and then I was sold already. I was being taken to Germany a lot for a chancellor that was called Kissinger, was the former chancellor of Germany then. And in 1972, I spent a lot of time in Germany with him. He taught me German and everything. And that was sort of preparing for what I was meant to do, for what I was going to be doing my whole life. And then that's why I was really becoming a Star so that it would be more high priced prostitute basically for them, you know, or not prostitute slave, really a high priced sex slave for them. Because of course he was going to be. Continue to be sold as a star. And I was also to attract the most powerful men because that's what he had seen in me, because I had impressed him. So then he was going to take that one thing that happens with him in our encounter. He was basically, I was programmed to do that with other powerful men for him. And then I was going to be, you know, sent to them and presented to them. And then the idea was that I was gonna. Yeah, as a child and then also as a young adult. And so Prince Philip, that week, that week before May 30th in 1973, May 1st in 1973, leading up to April 30th, really, there were a lot of people that passed through there, a lot of celebrities that passed through there. And then Prince Philip was one of the men that was there. And because I had been presented that I had this one little performance for the insiders, because these were network events, this was not for the public at all. And it was also mixed with. I had a performance that was just singing. It was highly sexualized also. That was how I had been trained.

[Podcast Host]

And you were 10?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes, I was 10.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

But there were also rituals happening in that same time frame. So there was a week where people were coming and going all the time. A lot of them were famous. So I named some of these people on the PBD podcast. That was Freddy Star was one of these people. And you know, and. And Beat Trudo was one of these people. And then one of the people that was there was Prince Philip as well. And because I'd had this performance, so I have heard other survivors speak about his abuse.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

So apparently, you know, very sadistic. But I saw another side of him because I was going to be part of them. And so he was sort of seemed almost happy or something.

[Podcast Host]

So he was really nice to you?

[Annika Lucas]

He was, yes.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, God. Wow, that's terrible. And then there was one other name. People might not know this one, but Alexander Yokoflev.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah, Alexander Yakovlev was a Russian. He. In 1972, I think he. He was the head of propaganda in for the Politburo in Russia. And he then went to Canada to be the ambassador there. Became very close to the Trudeau's. So Pierre Trudeau was one of my perpetrators. He was a very good friend of Pierre Trudeau. And.

[Podcast Host]

And Pierre is Justin's brother.

[Annika Lucas]

Or Pierre is Justin's father's father.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Annika Lucas]

And Justin's brother was named after Alexander. Yakovlev was named Alex after him. And Yakovlev then went back to Russia and then became very close to Gorbachev and it's actually called the father of the that regime. So. So he was in. He was a high place Russian politician. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So you saw a lot of him too, at these events?

[Annika Lucas]

No, I saw him one time.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, one time I saw him.

[Annika Lucas]

I had one encounter with him. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Geez. Seems like everyone at the top of their country are all commingling. It's interesting, right?

[Annika Lucas]

Absolutely. There certainly were no. There's no problem with politics. The only thing is that everybody was spying on each other and using those child slaves to gather information.

[Podcast Host]

Right. That used as blackmail. Right. I'd imagine, or.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, on that level, I wasn't used for blackmail. I was on other levels. Definitely used a lot for blackmail. But information gathering, you know, I was trained specifically to spot men's weaknesses.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

How would you do that?

[Annika Lucas]

That was my mind control training.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Annika Lucas]

So I knew it intuitively because the mind control training, I had been forced to watch these horrible films. So there were two types. There was one training where I was being forced to recognize men's sexual perversions. So that was by film as well. So I was tied to. I mean, I was just chained or with irons, you know, to a chair and with those things that keep your eyes open. Forced to watch a screen.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. And. Yeah, because you don't want to be watching those things. And I even tried to look through it, but then when they questioned me, so. So I was being shown man's face and then either seeing him break down, so being him. Torture. Seeing him being tortured and seeing what his breaking point is, for example, to find his weakness. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Or to see a man and then engage in horrific sexual acts with children or murder. Seeing that on the screen, to know what makes them tick, to know what they like sexually. And always perverted. They're not normal sexuality. So I would be forced. I would be forced to watch that. And then they would show me a face of a man, and I would have to tell him what it was, what he was, what he was doing. And if I didn't know it, then this doctor there, which was Dr. Hans Harmson, he was actually a big doctor in Germany. And he would then either strangle me or drown me so that I would go out completely. And in the unconscious state, he seemed to know extremely well how long he could have me strangled or without breath before I would not just not die. So to bring me back and then in that unconscious state, my intuition would open. So it was both punishment for not seeing the right answer, but it was also training to be able to. And then I noticed that the next time I did know better, I could answer better. Wow.

[Podcast Host]

So your subconscious would take over, almost like your intuition. Right.

[Annika Lucas]

That's the whole training.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap. So basically trained you to unlock your intuition.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. Intuition and subconscious. Indeed. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So now you can meet a man and identify quickly what their sexual perversions are.

[Annika Lucas]

Not. Not quickly, like instantly.

[Podcast Host]

What, just by looking at them, you

[Annika Lucas]

can just like somebody would pass away, pass far in the distance and I would know it.

[Podcast Host]

No way. So that's powerful.

[Annika Lucas]

If it's perverted.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, if it's perverted.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. It's not.

[Podcast Host]

So you could just.

[Annika Lucas]

Okay, no. And it's not something that I personally practice also, so just so you know. But that's how it used to be. That's how it used to be that I could just tell a mile away.

[Podcast Host]

That's impressive.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You gotta imagine by now there's even more advanced techniques and people know.

[Annika Lucas]

Exactly. The technology is a lot more advanced. And mind control slaves now they have the programming goes even deeper. And of course, phones are used extensively, games are used extensively to keep mind control slaves tied to the network and callback programs and everything is very strong now.

[Podcast Host]

I feel like they're doing it through technology completely to the masses. Before they had. Oh yes, yes, in person. So it took a while. Right. But now they could control millions of people.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I think that was always there. I think it was always there from the beginning of tv.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

I think the mind, the mass mind control was there. It was always there through advertising. It was always there in some way. But yes, now it's just amplified now it's everything.

[Podcast Host]

It's in your pocket.

[Annika Lucas]

Social media, it's everything. It's Google, it's everything.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

It's not like there's any place where we're free of it, except that we can also use the beneficial sides of the technology, thankfully. Because otherwise nobody would know my, my, this story or would know about this subject at all.

[Podcast Host]

Right. Yeah, it's. It's crazy, but it's happening. Right? It seems like. I don't know, I try to be optimistic, but do you think people are capable of seeing through this? Or do you think we're all just going to be controlled down the road? You know what I mean?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I guess that's the big question, isn't it?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, Because I leave.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, go ahead.

[Annika Lucas]

I just see people getting more and more aware and also kinder and more loving. That's what I see. So I think that there's an increase in awareness.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I see that in my circle, in my friend group. I just worry about the masses.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, the masses are. I mean, you know, we are the masses, right?

[Podcast Host]

In a way. Yeah. We do have an audience and we get a lot of followers and listens. But wow, what a story. I'm honestly speechless. You mentioned earlier satanic rituals. How do those work? Did you witness a lot of those?

[Annika Lucas]

Some. So during that week. So I was sold at six years old in Belgium. And so in Belgium, I wasn't taken to any rituals. I can't say that they weren't there, but I know that the, the person who was in charge of the network there wasn't religious in that sense. Didn't, you know, kind of look down on it. I don't know about the nobility and the royals because they were extremely sadistic. So sometimes I was given to an extreme sadist from the nobility, but it wasn't a ritual. It wasn't in that ritualistic, you know, setting where it's always kind of the same story. Unfortunately, it's very, you know. Well, it's the, the pentagram and it's the black robes and that I saw, you know, that's how I encountered David Rockefeller. That was set up for. He was the special guest around the Bilderberg meeting of 1972. And so the Belgians had done that for him. And so unfortunately, that was the first time. And then in that week leading up to April 30 or May 1 in Italy, that was on Lake Como on an estate that, you know, was. Rockefeller was, you know, I don't know if it was their place or anything, but it was certainly in charge of everything there. And there were a lot of people coming and going, but there was also a lot of rituals happening at the estate during that week.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So these elite families seem to have a connection with these rituals then?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I think that their own children get exposed to these rituals and also to the mind control.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Their own children.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So they don't even know, let alone

[Annika Lucas]

the incest, which also.

[Podcast Host]

So they don't even know they're part of it, the children.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I think a lot of most of the people that I work with, they were themselves born into this and that's why they were mind control trained.

[Podcast Host]

What do you mean they were, they

[Annika Lucas]

were like their families were Satanist families,

[Podcast Host]

but not with yours. Right. Your mom sold you, but she didn't know.

[Annika Lucas]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

So you were like an outlier in that sense.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. And in the beginning I was also a throwaway child, so they could do anything with me and I could be killed. And then that changed. Like my status changed when Rockefeller took an interest. And then suddenly I became an insider.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So you were a throw.

[Annika Lucas]

Throwaway child at first, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Did you know that?

[Annika Lucas]

No. I knew I could die any moment. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you did know.

[Annika Lucas]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. And how did they find you through your mother, like.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, my mother was extremely eager because she was mentally ill. But I think we were targeted in the village where we, where we lived. She had been single with me and then she came and I think she had signs of extreme sexual abuse at least, or she acted very flirtatiously, which was not that. Which was unusual in that setting of the 60s in provincial Belgium. Very Catholic and very old fashioned in that sense. So she was different. And I think I. I think that somebody was sent to us. That was a hand. That was a. Basically she and her husband were pimps for the network.

[Podcast Host]

Got it.

[Annika Lucas]

So first I was taken in by this couple, by the husband, from the cleaning lady, who then offered to babysit and take me on outings and everything. And then afterwards my mother took over from them. I tried to tell my mother what had happened and she ended up doing it herself.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Annika Lucas]

And get. She got paid.

[Podcast Host]

Do you know how much?

[Annika Lucas]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Really? You never found out?

[Annika Lucas]

No, I didn't know she was paid until I actually overheard the perpetrators talk about it.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. And you never talked to her about it after I did. Oh, you did. She never said no. Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

But she was not mentally well, so you could never really count on anything she said. She never really told the truth. It didn't really mean anything to her.

[Podcast Host]

That makes sense. Will anyone else from your village get taken or is just you?

[Annika Lucas]

There was another girl, and I write about her in my book that wasn't quite from the village, but was somebody from an aristocratic family who was also being abused in the network. And the only difference between us was that I was, you know, I could be killed anytime. She wouldn't be killed anytime, but she did get pregnant very young. I believe at nine years old, she even got pregnant. So then they had, they performed an abortion on her. So, you know, it's not like these children maybe would not be killed. You know, they could be killed anyway because what they, they, they get they, they suffer tremendous abuse as well.

[Podcast Host]

That is terrible. Abortion at nine years old. Oh my gosh. Were you talking with people going through this while you were being trafficked at all or was was there communication?

[Annika Lucas]

That was all the programming was all. Even in Belgium, which was not like the high tech programming that I received in Germany, they were also making sure that we would never see speak. They were making the children do things to make us feel super guilty so that we would never speak, so that we would feel that we are the bad ones, we're the guilty ones. So that happens, you know, with animal, I mean, awful, awful stuff. The Belgians were just as crazy and bloodthirsty and horrific as the others. They just weren't as organized at that time.

[Podcast Host]

The Belgiums?

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah, the Belgian.

[Podcast Host]

Such a small country.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

How many people live there?

[Annika Lucas]

The EU is there but 10 million or 14 million? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. There's states in America larger than that.

[Annika Lucas]

No, absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

So to have a network out there just blows my mind.

[Annika Lucas]

No, but every city has a network or most main city, Most cities have a network. A lot of villages have networks. And so you have a few people that are maybe the doctor and the lawyer and a few people of the notables of the town, maybe the police chief or something will be in a network. They might be Satanists or they might be masons or they might be another kind of cult or they might be Knights of the Templar Knights or whatever it is. And then they connect to the network through the bigger cities, through the children. So they'll give their children. It's like a vast web. They'll give their children to bed by higher ups and then they get benefits by it. And it's this system of the network is the crueler you are, the more benefit you receive. And so it always goes to power. So then when you end up in the Satanist circles, it is about, you know, sacrifices and, and people give themselves over and they become possessed in that moment and they do horrific things and it's the ones that are the most horrific that get the most benefit. That, you know, the, the position.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

The, the, the raise, whatever, you know that. It really works that way.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy. Yeah. That's what you saw in the Epstein.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

The sacrifices. How much overlap with the Epstein files and your stuff. Did you see any names that you recognized?

[Annika Lucas]

No, because it really is a new generation already. Epstein is, you know, about my age, I think is about, you know, and so it really is the new generation, but it's the same thing. I mean, look David Rockefeller was the man who put me in the network, who was gonna, you know, use me as his slave. Epstein became part of the Trilateral Commission, which was founded by David Rockefeller when he was 30 years old.

[Podcast Host]

Got it.

[Annika Lucas]

So he was just groomed by the network. He was probably born into the network. His family must be network. And he was positioned already. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So he was like the next Rockefeller.

[Annika Lucas]

No, he was not from that family and he was not from a. That a family. But he was a useful tool, as most people in the network are.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so they saw him as a pawn.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So there's levels to this because a lot of people think he was like the head guy of the operation.

[Annika Lucas]

He, he gained a lot of power, obviously, with everything that he did financially and with all the blackmail operations.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And that's just one network, Right.

[Annika Lucas]

There's many more, but there really is one. Because it went from Belgium. They then set up this ritual to please David Rockefeller, who was there for the Bilderberg meetings. I'm sure they set up a lot of other rituals for the other members of the Bilderberg meeting that year in Belgium, 1972. So then they give children. That's how they work their way in. They did business together. By the way, the. The. His nickname is the. The blood baron.

[Podcast Host]

Whose nickname.

[Annika Lucas]

It's a Belgian. So you had. Okay, in Belgium, you had. You had the then Minister of National Defense. He was prime minister twice. It was Paul van den Boeynants. He was the one who was in charge of the network. His friend was a quite young man at the time, called. He was a baron, the Bon Voisin. That was his name, Benoit de Bonvoisin. He's still alive. But the Bon Vasin was extremely cruel. He was in the network, did business with the Rockefellers afterwards, what type of business he was, because he came from a banking family. And so it is through these rituals that these men then connected and did business, you see, Because I don't know if Rockefeller would have spent the time of day with them if it wasn't for these. For these secret activities where they really felt they. They could be free or whatever.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It comes down to money and power, right?

[Annika Lucas]

Ultimately, yes, money and power. But the children is what connects everything. So he was also a pedophile. So then he's given children. So then, you know, then in. And I find that most of these people were emotionally completely infantile. So also David Rockefeller. So when they. And if you don't mind me talking a little bit about the psychology of this Because I was around it so much, obviously. And then I had to heal from it for 40 years. So I'm 50, but I've been really actively healing for 40 years. And it's that there is, you know, through Aleister Crowley, the do as thou wilt phrase becomes in the network and in the satanic sense, in the satanic of the network sense. Because now Satanism is being normalized also. And you have theistic Satanism and you have atheistic Satanism. So that's just getting people in as a cover for what really happens at the top. So what really happens at the top is all by invitation. And it's the same with all secret societies. It's only by invitation because it's the people who get what it's really about, that it's really about perversion. Because if you can be a Mason and you can go really far, you can be in the organization that Aleister Crowley founded and never get it. And you can never get it and you can never get invited into the higher realms. But once you get invited into these higher realms, it's about understanding that it is about power through perversion. And what psychologically happens there is that the people who need the power are the ones who don't have the self esteem and who need really very much to run away from their own unresolved childhood trauma and the pain that they can't handle that. When you are traumatized as a child, when you're sexually abused, you carry a burden. There's an exchange that happens when you're a child and you get sexually abused by an adult. You take on the burden of shame and you're now carrying that and you can't get rid of it unless you heal.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Annika Lucas]

But when you abuse a child as an adult, then that burden momentarily gets completely lifted off your shoulders. Also when you're a child and you're in this network and you get abused a lot, there's all these little parts in you that die.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

When you are then in this organized setting where children are killed, it's like you come to life in the moment of that child that is alive there and you make that child go through symbolically the same thing as that, what you've gone through many, many times to lose all hope that you can be loved. And ultimately it's people that cannot connect with their inner light or with the innocence really, which is how we're born. When babies are born, it's beautiful, innocent, and these people have no access to that anymore. So they don't believe in it anymore. And because they don't believe in it, everything is inverted. And that's really how Satanism is like this large, large justification for just not being able to connect to yourself.

[Podcast Host]

Well explained. Because I always wondered what the link was with these elites, these billionaires and PDF stuff.

[Annika Lucas]

Stuff.

[Podcast Host]

There's a link there.

[Annika Lucas]

There's definitely a link. And I don't think they all are also. But everyone has to stay quiet about it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

And if. Or you're dissociated because you've been abused yourself and you're dissociated so you don't remember. But the more money there is in a family, the harder it would be to stand up and come out about this stuff. Because what always happens, whether you're a normal incest family, like say lower class incest family or the wealthiest family in the world, if you start speaking out, you will lose everything. Your family will make sure that you lose everything.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Because there's been people that try to leave the Royal Family. Right. And then a lot of weird stuff starts happening. They get like banned from the country, they lose banking access, they lose business deals. You've seen that, right?

[Annika Lucas]

I don't really. I'm not really aware of that, but I can imagine that it would be really awful. But anybody who's in the spotlight, I wouldn't really know what's going on, really.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Well, there's been a couple and it doesn't seem like they want you to leave the family, you know.

[Annika Lucas]

No, of course not. But that means you have to keep the secrets also.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

You don't. You can't leave. You have to pretend everything's good, you have to keep the image high and you have to never speak out about anything that happened.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Crazy times. Let's talk about recovery. Because you said you've been trying to recover for 50 plus years, right?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, 40 years.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You've tried all sorts of stuff. Yoga, meditation. Right. What's been the most effective thing?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, all combined really. It's. For me, from the beginning, therapy was what gave me the consciousness. Because I think you do need conscious awareness in order to heal from something. So you need to go back. I mean, it's not like you try to. I was just getting flashbacks. In the 80s.

[Podcast Host]

Did you do hypnosis therapy or talk therapy? Any specific topic?

[Annika Lucas]

Talk therapy. Talk therapy. I did a little bit. So I did. I started therapy in the 80s, but I was getting flashbacks. But my. The therapist that I was working with as talk therapy was completely not open

[Podcast Host]

to it, to the flashbacks.

[Annika Lucas]

Right. Because the flashbacks were horrific stuff. I was getting flash. The first flashback I got was near skid row in la, downtown la. And I smelled human feces. And I had a flashback of a horrific S M thing that I was put through as a child.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. It's. It's crazy how powerful smell is.

[Annika Lucas]

It can. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Give you memories. Right. Certain smells.

[Annika Lucas]

So powerful. So when that flashback came, the next thought was, if that's true, I have to kill myself. That was the program that was also there.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. So I tried with the first therapist that I was with, or I had. I had a few. I had one therapist that kind of opened me up, but he was not really appropriate. So then I went to his supervisor. So the supervisor, she was open to abuse. Sexual abuse, child sexual abuse from males. She's not open to talking about mother or. She was not really open to talking about anything that was more extreme than sexual abuse, which was definitely coming at me. So because I had a sense that there was sexual abuse I did go into. She sent me to a doctor again, but he was also doing hypnotherapy. And then I did recover quite quickly some memories of child sexual abuse by males. One in the family from very young one that was surrounding the network. I have three boys. I was again when I was 11. But that was. Yeah, it was. It just came back that it had happened. Not anything else.

[Podcast Host]

Just through talking about it. You remembered it?

[Annika Lucas]

No, it was hypnotherapy. So it was actually I was just getting the. I was just getting the. I was just getting the awareness of it. Not anything else, no details.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

This was. Though later I found out it was tangentially connected to the network. And then there was the man that was the husband of the cleaning lady who were the original pimps. He had me and that came back. So that's what I got. And I didn't really ever get any other images until I had 10 years it took to find the right therapist who was open to the more extreme things that were coming back, which I didn't want to be true, of course, but I also needed to be able to talk about them.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. So they're able to basically suppress memories.

[Annika Lucas]

That's how it works. It's all about dissociating memories. Yeah, it's all about dissociating you. And it's all about making sure that you never remember if you survive.

[Podcast Host]

It makes me wonder if they're doing this on a mass scale now with people. Right. That's scary to think About.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I know the. The brainwashing is always there, but to. When you look at a tv, it works as a hypnosis because, you know, retention is much greater when you read, for example, a book. And then when you look at a screen, it's like, ridiculous. It's like very, very low retention rate. That's because you're being hypnotized. And so it already has an effect on your brain that you're. That's why you get glued to the tv.

[Podcast Host]

That's why I'm so careful what movies and TV shows I watch.

[Chime Representative]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

There's. I can't even.

[Podcast Host]

Nothing I don't blame.

[Annika Lucas]

Because in the beginning. Right in the beginning, usually, though, I'll say I could never watch because of the violence and the suspense. So that was. Okay. Completely out of the picture because I've had enough of that. I don't need it anymore. Exactly. So I say. I say, oh, I'll watch something very innocent. The Flintstones. That was a movie from the 90s. Ten minutes in, there's the joke about satanic ritual.

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Annika Lucas]

Ten minutes in, there's a joke about, we sacrificed your brother for this.

[Podcast Host]

No way.

[Annika Lucas]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Flintstones. That's a child.

[Annika Lucas]

Child show. 10 minutes in.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

That was a movie in. Made in the 90s.

[Podcast Host]

So they're even doing.

[Annika Lucas]

In cartoons and that. What? That. What was that a cartoon? That was not a cartoon. It was the people playing the Flintstones.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, it's a real life Flintstones.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah, real life, because there's a cartoon too. But anyway, anything that I try to watch like that very soon has some reference to either ritual or cannibalism or. It's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

And then I'm like, okay, no, thank you. Or. Or some mocking or some reference that basically is wink, wink to other insiders and mocking the. The viewers. Then I'm like, no, no, I can't watch that either.

[Podcast Host]

And that's done for. Karmic debt. Right. They have to give you the awareness. Who knows?

[Annika Lucas]

Who knows?

[Podcast Host]

That's my theory.

[Annika Lucas]

That's what people say. That's what people say that they have to show you what they do. I don't know if that depends on

[Podcast Host]

your religion, I guess, if you believe in karma or not.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I don't think it resolves you from your karma at all. Because, you know, I think if you're fooling people and you're, you know, what does that have to do with karma? I think karma is very deeply personal. And there's. Whatever you do comes back to you. You're not going to escape karma. If you're a big time Satanist pedophile, you're not going to escape your karma.

[Podcast Host]

I hope not.

[Annika Lucas]

Maybe in this life though. I mean a lot of them die in their bed obviously. But, but in the, in the long run, I don't believe that you really can escape your karma. And I mean I, I think reincarnation is real, you know, so that you get. And then I got, I kind of got a lot in early on in this life to work out. So thank you very much. You know, I got a big package to.

[Podcast Host]

You made it out. I mean you got out, you got rescued at 11, right?

[Annika Lucas]

I did get rescued and that's really what my book goes into more deeply because the last year when I was thrown out of the inner circle, you could say, which I call the globalist network, which are, I don't know who it is today, but there's certain people that are at the head of this. And then, you know, and I did come across like say the Rothschild, for example. Evelyn the Rothschild was the one who had to give us permission for the Persona that David Rockefeller wanted to make of me. He had to give his permission to even, to even create it.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, so there's levels above Rockefeller then. Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Absolutely. And I think that the Rothschilds received a cut really on everything that he was gonna make. And I don't know if that politician, the German politician called Kissinger, I don't know if he was paying to be with me. I was with him a lot. But if he was, then there would be a cut that goes, that goes, you know, know there's money, there's a lot of money being made from child sex trafficking.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Crazy. Eleven years old. So you were in it for about two years?

[Annika Lucas]

I was in it in total five and a half years. So I was sold at age 6 and then I was rescued. And then one year from 9 to 10, I was in the global, what I call the global Network Elite. The global elite network. And then drum back to the Belgians and then that's where my book starts. And then yes, a year later I was, it's hard to say. Rescued.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

But yes, he made a deal. He negotiated a deal to get me out.

[Podcast Host]

A young gangster, really just a random guy, you know. You didn't.

[Annika Lucas]

Not at all random.

[Podcast Host]

I don't want to spoil the book too much, but.

[Annika Lucas]

No, that's okay. I can talk about it. Absolutely. So this gangster's name is Patrick Hammers and he was a French speaking Belgian. He came into the network in 1973 with his father. So his father was the one who was trying to get into the network. And he brought his son. And I had noticed that even though this guy was just 20 years old, that he was getting a lot of respect from people. And he took a liking to me because I had been trained to get men to respond. So I was doing something that would be very unusual, but it was, in a way, pleasing him. Like that state. I defied him. But that. Me defying him, I did that completely automatically. I didn't know. But that happened to be the thing that he liked. So my defying him and being very angry with him, which I would normally never do because I was trying to survive. Then he then took an interest in me and then in the beginning, then used me to kind of find out what this network was all about, because he was being brought there by his father. They were sort of of upper middle class, but commercial people. And.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

And. And I didn't understand why he was getting so much respect in the network. And I found out it was because he kills people.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, Hitman.

[Annika Lucas]

He was a gangster, so he was doing. He was robbing banks, he was robbing post offices, stuff like that.

[Podcast Host]

So he saved you. Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

He ended up. So his interest became. First he was protecting me, so that was different. And suddenly I wasn't getting anymore.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, he wasn't doing that. Okay.

[Annika Lucas]

He wasn't touching me either. He wanted it to come from me, but. So I didn't know that. But anyway, once that sexuality started with him, it became extreme. And then everything that made him into a crazy gangster, that's. He put that on me, you could say he. You know, there's a lot of violence. He stabbed me in the place where he had been stabbed in the back of the knee.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, my God.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. He put a gun to my head.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

That had also been done to him in an extreme moment. That was all done by his father. And his parents were incestuous parents. And he was repeating that all the time. And eventually I was going to be killed. And I ended up defying him again. In a moment. In an extreme moment. I had a moment where I was. Because of him, I was, you know, gonna be. Gonna be killed, gonna be eliminated. And so.

[Podcast Host]

Because of him.

[Annika Lucas]

Because of him. Yeah, because he was done with me. And it was a year later, and they never heard back from Rockefeller. So I have this. This scar here. I don't know if you can see it. When I turn my arm like that, it turned.

[Podcast Host]

It looks like, move the water bottle there.

[Annika Lucas]

This scar here.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I see.

[Annika Lucas]

Okay, so this is round now because I had my arm like that. The guy was grabbing me like that, and he put a cigarette out on my arm.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, burn mark.

[Annika Lucas]

So it's a burn mark. So when I stretch my arm, it's.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I see it. It's white.

[Annika Lucas]

A line. Yeah, Yeah, I have. And then, anyway, he. In that moment that this happened, when my arm was being burned, I focused and defied him, and I didn't feel it happening, so I was completely focused on him and basically sort of feeling strength that had happened a few times in the network. That was really spiritual strength that would come, you know, when everything was lost. I felt spiritual strength and I said, and basically thought, I don't need you. And in that moment, he was impressed again or he was touched or moved again. And then I was taken to be tortured. And I was tortured, but that was ended because he was, during that time, negotiating to save me. So he got me out.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. The same man that almost took your life got you out. Must be a weird feeling, right?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes. And it's very crazy. And, you know, it's not. It's a network, so it's not that simple.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of parties involved.

[Annika Lucas]

There's a lot of parts involved. There's a lot of. It's not that simple. Let's put it that way. You don't just leave. It's not like, okay, now we made a deal, now you're gone. But ultimately, that ended up costing his life.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Because now he was weak because I was his weakness. Now that's the network mentality. Right. And so now the deal was that he went to work for the politician Paul van den Boeynants, who was the. Running the network for the royals. And that politician, 15 years later, got in trouble, that tax, for tax fraud. But he did get a prison sentence. He got a very big fine. So while he was in appeal, he was kidnapped because there are certain things that he wanted politically that he couldn't do anymore because his name was in disrepute. So this is a big thing in Belgium.

[Podcast Host]

What does repute mean?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, you know, he lost his good name. And because of these, the tax fraud, he couldn't run for mayor for Brussels, for example. He couldn't run for politics. So he was kidnapped. And a month later, he came back. And he came back wearing sunglasses. He was extremely dramatic. He made this big story, you know, how he. His kidnappers, he lost weight and everything. And Kept him in a basement. And he. I don't know how, but everybody was. They made a song about this press conference. It was like the most widely attended press conference in the country. And his good name was restored.

[Podcast Host]

It worked overnight.

[Annika Lucas]

Overnight because he came back, he became the big national hero.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Annika Lucas]

And then accidentally somebody went after the kidnappers and then came. Came on the trail of this gangster.

[Podcast Host]

Oh yeah, yeah. And that's how he lost his life.

[Annika Lucas]

Who, who then got. Eventually was caught in spite of, you know, once he wasn't. Was known and caught, he wasn't protected anymore. So then he ended up wanting to speak out at his trial and he just ended up committing suicide like three weeks before the trial. Hanging himself. He was almost as tall as you, over six feet. From a, from a. From an extremely low radiator. He hung himself?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

Very hard to do.

[Podcast Host]

Doesn't make sense. How much did that affect you when you saw him pass away?

[Annika Lucas]

No, I didn't know he rescued me. He. So there's a lot of programming. I told you this all with repetition. And so first I was programmed to become a star, then I was thrown out. But that meant I was then reprogrammed. It's just called discard programming. So they don't kill me. They might be able to use me for this or that. But I received discard programming so I would never be successful, so that I would never be a public figure. So I would never become a star. So I was basically made to feel so bad about myself through horrific ways that I would, you know, end up maybe a drug addicted prostitute or something like that and just die on the streets. I'm sure many of them are.

[Podcast Host]

Britney Spears comes to mind when you say that for me.

[Annika Lucas]

Britney Spears. But I think when you go to the streets, you'll also find a lot of mind control slaves that have been reprogrammed.

[Podcast Host]

It does seem like something's off with some of them. Yeah, you're right.

[Annika Lucas]

Anyway, so now he dropped me off, he brought me home for the last time when I was 11 and he gave me a new program. Never become a prostitute. Never sleep with anybody for money. Never do it. Never become a drug addict. Never buy drugs from anybody. Never do anything to get drugs from anybody. But you can take them if they're given to you. So he gave me a list about alcohol, about marriage, everything.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

About where I should be. I live in New York because of that.

[Podcast Host]

He really cared about you.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I think he had a download. Yes, for sure. I mean, in that moment he had given up his freedom, really, for me, went to work for this politician who then 15 years later, gets kidnapped by him as a favor, I guess, that he owed him, and then he ends up dying in prison. But I did not know. I wasn't in Belgium. I didn't know anything about Belgian politics. I didn't want to know. So I knew. I knew nothing. After he dropped me off when I was 11 years old, that was the last time I saw him.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

And it wasn't until the Dutroux case blew up. That was 1996. It was a very big deal across the world because they found four bodies of little girls. And one pimp, Mark Dutroux, got the whole wrap. And in the beginning, everybody knew that this was vip, Belgian network. And people started coming forward, survivors came forward in this investigation. And then it became. And then it was sabotaged. So eventually, Marc Dutroux was. Was the only one that. That was.

[Podcast Host]

Fall guy.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. I mean, he wasn't the only. Only one, but, yes, none of the VIPs ever got charged. That never went there. Because everything that had to do with. With the greater network was cut off from the case very early on. And that was basically thrown away. It was closed again. So this case in Belgium, in the late 90s, I was going to Belgium, I was meeting these people. I knew what had happened to me then. I was meeting people that were concerned about this, that were trying to do something about it. So at that time, I got pressured to become public. And, you know, and that's when I found out from another survivor who this man was. This. I. I just asked her, you know, there was this blonde man. Yeah, there was this tall blonde guy, and he always wear jeans or white shirt or stripes. And she said, oh. And did. Did he limp? Yeah, slight limp. That's. That. That's.

[Podcast Host]

Same guy.

[Annika Lucas]

That's him.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Because he had. He was limping because his father had stabbed him in the back of the knee when he was.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you mentioned that.

[Annika Lucas]

I was 12. And. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So he saved that girl, too, that you spoke with?

[Annika Lucas]

No, not at all. She just saw him at the. At the orgies.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, okay. What happened to those four girls? Why did they kill those girls?

[Annika Lucas]

So those four girls, Mark, the tui, was a pimp who got a little too big for his britches, and he ended up. Instead of. So what? Pimps, generally, in that time, what they used to do is infiltrate into families like mine, like those pimps had done with us. Us. And then get the children, pay the parents, and then if the children would die. They would just have a doctor make up a. A certificate, a death certificate, and they would make up a story so that it would be believable and so they could do whatever they wanted with the children. But Marc Dutroux started kidnapping kids. So he was just a pimp, like. Like the others. But instead of infiltrating into an incestuous, dysfunctional family, he ended up kidnapping children. And those parents, of course, were looking for their children. Now there's a lot of children that are kidnapped for the network for different purposes. That is also true.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

Yes. It's very difficult, for example, to find real numbers of children that are missing and very difficult.

[Podcast Host]

Especially with villages like yours that probably don't keep track of this stuff. Right?

[Annika Lucas]

Yes. In Belgium, in fact, you couldn't even get a national number. You had to go district by district. So the police that was initially investigating this case, they tried to go into the different places to try to find. So anyway. Yes.

[Podcast Host]

So, yeah, I heard there's a lot in these poor countries, like Thailand, where they don't keep track of all this. Easier to kidnap people, I'm sure.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. Yes. Then kids are sold. I'm sorry, but parents sell their kids. Kids get kidnapped also off the street, and parents never see them again. And they can't find a voice. These parents, they don't get heard. And then a lot of times, children also get. Get taken into the network by one parent. But Mark Dutroux had then started kidnapping children, and then eventually, through circumstances, he had certainly used them in the network. And I actually work with some survivors that were in touch with these children when they were alive.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy. How much time did he get in prison?

[Annika Lucas]

Life.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, he got life.

[Annika Lucas]

He got life, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So he's still in there.

[Annika Lucas]

But those children he had built dungeons in his homes.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, my God.

[Annika Lucas]

To keep the children. Because, you know, when you get children from a family, you can take them back to the family and then they go to school.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Annika Lucas]

And they're dissociated. So they wouldn't remember what happened during the weekend. That's what that was me.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

I did. I would go to school.

[Podcast Host]

Be serious. I thought you were there full time then.

[Annika Lucas]

No, no, no.

[Podcast Host]

So only weekends, they would take you?

[Annika Lucas]

Not only weekends, you know, also sometimes during the day. But then my mother, the doctor just would write a note.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Annika Lucas]

Very easily. Or I would be away for a week sometimes. Or the summer of 72, I was gone for two months. I was gone. And. But of course, we were off School. But I was gone all of July I spent in the United States. And then all of a sudden of August of 72, when I was nine years old, I spent in Germany.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, that's when you came for LA, right?

[Annika Lucas]

No, no, no, no, no, we're talking 72.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, 72.

[Annika Lucas]

So I was nine years old, I was at home and I just wasn't there all summer. Okay, that's crazy because I was in the network. I was being first trained by David Rockefeller in different homes, but he put me in different places as well in the United States. And then, and then for the month of August, I spent in Heidelberg in that villa in the basement, mostly in the basement of this villa where that training was happening.

[Podcast Host]

Jeez. I'm sure you get a lot of survivors that message. You now, it must feel good to be able to inspire and help them, right?

[Annika Lucas]

It's wonderful because the healing, the recovery of really going to my own pain and shame and guilt and. And grief of everything, you know, when something comes up because I never go looking for anything, but it does come up. So it was coming in flashbacks in the beginning. And then when I started working with this therapist who was present, who could handle it really. She didn't know anything about this, but she was open minded. So once we started really getting into the horrific stuff, there's so much pain and grief, it's so heavy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Annika Lucas]

And I really spent more than 20 years that I wouldn't wish on anyone. So much pain, so much grief, so much suffering really that I went through from all the feelings that would be repressed so that you can survive. They were all coming up. So it was all the pain and grief and the betrayals, all the so much, so many tears.

[Podcast Host]

And your body stores all that trauma and grief.

[Annika Lucas]

Absolutely. It stays in your body. And so. But the healing, then the integration is really magical because the neural integration, it's like spiritual growth also. Whatever was repressed, so it's out in your subconscious now, but it's still in your body. So whatever gets integrated, you then gain wisdom, actually, you gain insight. I would know myself better, I would understand something that I wanted to know and then I would also understand it for other people. And that's what happens in these sessions, that I know exactly where somebody is because most of the time I've been there. Now, I have to say I worked with people whose experiences were more extreme than mine.

[Podcast Host]

Really? Holy crap.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah. Because my experience was relatively short.

[Podcast Host]

Five years.

[Annika Lucas]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I guess for some people it could be 10, 15 years.

[Annika Lucas]

Well, especially Girls, when they get pregnant, you know, that gets very difficult.

[Podcast Host]

Well, thanks for doing what you do. We'll include a link to the book. Anything else you want to close off with here?

[Annika Lucas]

Well, I think you mentioned earlier, you know, the masses, you know, and I really think that consciousness is rising. So we never know. We know that these networks and those who want the power, that they have great, great resources and they have great access to resources and they have a lot of tools to establish the control and to brainwash people and everything. So we don't know how bad things have to get before. Before everybody. Enough people realize. Because obviously the way that the system is, it doesn't really quite work. But so how to change it, you know, how to really change it. That's not, thankfully not what I have to think about. But I think that the consciousness rising is in itself the hope. I'm the hope because I've healed from it. And then when I heal and I get something that is locked in my subconscious, something so horrific that happened, and I bring that out into the light of consciousness that serves everyone. So I want to say to all the survivors, you know, when you have memories, that really serves everybody. Because now that thing that happened, that is now in the general consciousness now. And so there's easier access to these types of things because people are healing.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Annika Lucas]

And I think that healing is the most important thing for everybody. You have to get rid of your blind spots. Because I think that we get access through our blind spots. Somebody who's completely strong within themselves and has their intuition and listens to their. Their themselves and they can't be accessed. You can only be accessed if either you have your own greed and your own sort of mini version of the things that they present as temptations, greeds, lusts. I mean, it's the old biblical stuff, you know, if you have your own version of that, then you're. Then you can be pulled in. But it's mostly people's blind spots that everybody has trauma. That's clear.

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Annika Lucas]

And it creates blind spots. It means that there's going to be things that you're not aware of because literally it's in your subconscious. So bringing everything out into the light of consciousness, which really is what it is, that is why consciousness is rising. And I think that's not the only reason. But that is happening. And I think that just increases. Happens increasingly and it's only going in that direction. That's what I want to say. It's only. I've only since the 60s and 70s when this was happening to me. I've only seen consciousness go up.

[Podcast Host]

Mmm. Beautifully said. We'll end it there. Thank you for coming on. Yeah. Check out the book, guys. Check out her links in the video. See you next time. Thanks for watching all the way to the end, guys. It means a lot. Please click here if you want to watch the next episode and please subscribe to the show. It helps us get more guests and helps grow the brand.