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From Super Bowl to Startup: TJ Ward's Journey | TJ Ward DSH #814
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Join the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly as we dive into the incredible journey of TJ Ward, from Super Bowl champion to successful entrepreneur. 🏈✨ Discover how TJ navigated the transition from the NFL to launching his own business ventures, and
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A bunch of guys that were older, so I feel like I was able to learn a lot.
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Right.
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Whereas they're coming in now when there's few guys over the age of 30. Damn locker room.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, it is crazy.
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It's a bunch of kids, basically.
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Yeah, it's just like the kids teaching. I wouldn't say the blind leading the blind, but it's definitely kids learning from other kids.
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Yeah, they're lacking that experience because when I was growing up, it was common to have people in their 30s playing. Guys, we got a former NFL player here today, TJ Ward. Thanks for coming on, man.
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Oh, no problem.
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Yeah, Damon's event, it was a cool event.
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Yeah, very cool, man. A pleasure being there.
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Yeah, I. I got a lot of value from last. Were you at the event last night, too?
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Yes, sir.
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Yeah, I met some good people there, man.
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Damian, super connected, man. Super connected. Great networking. A lot of great spirits in there, man. So it was good to meet a lot of new people.
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Yeah. How'd you get in touch with. With Damon?
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My PR Miss, Leela Christian. She told me about the event. She has some friends that's within his team and told me to come on out and, you know, I'm glad I did.
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Nice.
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It was a great night.
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Yeah. It's cool to see you transition into the business space from being an NFL athlete for eight years, right?
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Yeah, absolutely. It's not an easy transition, but, you know, it's. It's definitely challenging, and it's something I always wanted to do, even from a younger age, is to be involved in business, own my own business. After, you know, I retired and hoped for a long career, and I played eight years. So I'm very blessed to. To have done that and won a Super Bowl. So transitioning to new goals and achievements.
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Nice. Did you have a dream business you wanted to start growing up?
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No, I didn't know exactly, but always wanted to be involved in real estate somehow. My mom was a real estate agent growing up, so, you know, I seen the work she put in. In that lane. And my dad also was an entrepreneur. He owned custodial company.
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Oh, nice.
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So, you know, I've always saw that Entrepreneur spirit from my parents and, you know, what it takes to be an entrepreneur from them and want to put it in place myself.
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That's sick, man. Yeah. Eight years in the league, the average career I looked up is three and a third years.
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Yep.
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Why do you think it's so short?
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You know, there's so much turnover every year. There's so many guys in the league, and they're coming in younger, stronger, faster. So you know that the older guys got to kind of make way. But at the same time, I think it's kind of doing a dis. Concern to the younger players because they really don't have as many veterans in the league when they come in. Opposed to when I was playing, I had a bunch of guys that were older, so I feel like I was able to learn a lot.
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Right.
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Whereas they're coming in now when there's few guys over the age of 30. Damn locker room.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, it is crazy.
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It's a bunch of kids, basically.
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Yeah. Like the kids teaching. I wouldn't say the blind leading the blind, but it's definitely kids learning from other kids.
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Yeah, they're lacking that experience. Because when I was growing up, it was common to have people in their 30s playing.
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Yeah, for sure. Like, when I came in the league, we probably had maybe I thought some guys were older than they were, but that was, you know, the energy, you know, that we had. It felt like 10 to 15 guys over the age of 30, at least, you know? At least it felt like that.
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Yeah. I remember on SportsCenter, they would always say when. When people hit 30, that was like a big deal in the NFL.
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Yeah. And I think every. As the years go by, that number maybe even getting lower.
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Damn.
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Like, especially for certain positions like running back, it's almost like 26.
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Holy crap. That's so young.
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No. Yeah. Because they're coming in at 20 now. Yeah, I came in at 23. I think 22 may have been the average age back in 2010.
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Damn. Right.
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Now. No, just in general.
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Oh, in general.
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Like, coming in. I think now the age is probably closer to 21.
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Holy crap. Yeah. So as a safety, if you're in your 30s, you can't really keep up. Right. Because you. You're not as quick as your 20s. No.
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I mean, no, you can. It's just the taboo of it, you know, of being 30. It's kind of just, you know, a unsaid, you know, negative thing that goes with being that, you know, you. I mean, some players may lose something at that age, but not everyone.
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Wow.
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You know, some guys get better.
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Yeah. So when you felt like in your last year or two, did you feel like you were still.
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Honestly, I felt towards the end, I was in some of the best shape of my life.
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Wow.
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You know, my last year in Tampa, I was in great shape coming out of camp with Denver because I got released right after camp. I had pulled my hamstring, but that was something that was chronic. Every year I pulled my hamstring in Cleveland. One year I was. I think it was 20, maybe 25, 26. And every year after that, I pulled it during camp just because of the stress of camp.
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Damn.
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But it never, you know, hindered me during the season and that camp, he got pulled again. But, you know, during the season when I went to Tampa, I was in great shape.
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Wow. So just politics got involved, I guess, and pretty much. Damn. I wonder how many athletes that happens to.
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More than not.
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That's scary, man. Because it should be just skill, right? Shouldn't be that. You know what I mean? That's why I quit basketball, dude. Because the coach's son was on the team. He was trash.
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Yeah. Most. Yeah.
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You know.
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You know how it is. Most sports aren't what they should be like.
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Yeah.
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Those instances when you're like, you know, when things seem obvious and they aren't.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Then it's for a good reason.
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That must be so annoying in sports, though, because you literally know you're better than the guy starting and you're not playing.
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Yeah. They had me alternating with a couple guys that year in Tampa. That was really when I felt the full grunt of football politics. It was like, in the NFL at least.
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Yeah. Because you're coming off a Super bowl win, you were the starting safety and.
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Yeah.
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Now you're second.
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Well, they're about a year removed or so.
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That's pretty crazy. I want to talk about that super bowl run.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Did you have a good idea when the playoffs started that that was going to happen, or was it.
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Yeah, man. When the playoffs started, we. We. We knew we were going to be hard to stop.
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Yeah.
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Or, you know, hard to get by. Because defensively, you know, that was our mindset. Like, we could stop anybody and, you know, for one game, four quarters, we could beat anybody with, you know, with the. The guys we had, and that was our mindset, you know, every. Every game of the playoffs.
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Were you guys number one in defense that year?
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Yep.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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What was the. What was the team you played in the finals?
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We played Pittsburgh the first conference game or conference. And then we played. Oh yeah, we only played two because we had home field. We played Pittsburgh and New England.
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So big bad and then Brady.
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Yep.
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Wow. Going against Brady, that must have been. That's an iconic matchup, right?
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Yeah, we had them. We had him in the regular season. And that game almost went to O ot, I believe it was snowing numb. I got injured that game, actually. I got like the first series.
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I mean, if you're playing in the snow, I'd imagine you get injured like.
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Yeah, I got a high ankle sprain. Geez. Under the pile doing dirty work and yes, somebody landed on it. I don't know what happened, but me and another guy on my team got hurt the same play. We both got carted to the locker room.
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Geez, what are they doing in that dog pile?
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Man, I don't know, man. Probably some cheap shots, you know, knowing the Patriots. So I missed most of all that game. And then it was a high angle spring, so I was out, know, a few weeks and I came back right around the time we like the end of the season. Going into the playoffs, I got healthy and Edelman comes down later in the game and cracks me and the ball was like away and it re injured my ankle. So I missed the back end of that game too.
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Damn.
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So we went in there, man, we went to overtime, got a last minute stop and pulled it out, Pulled it on.
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That's dope. Were the Patriots the toughest matchup you've ever had to go against?
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No, I mean, because we beat them both times. It was tough, but like we lost to a lot of teams that were not a lot of teams. Certain teams that I think were a little bit more challenging, but in the grand scheme of things, there was more on the line with the Patriots, right? Yeah.
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Do you still think about any games or plays that haunt you?
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Yeah, the play I got injured on, I wish I wouldn't have dove in that, pal, or certain things like that, but. Nah, man, like you've accepted it. Yeah, I've accepted it. It is what it is. Like always look at it as certain things, you know, if you change them, doesn't mean they're going to have a positive outcome.
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I feel that.
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So you might as well just take it. Take it how it is.
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Yeah. Because you can't hear you.
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You know, it's right here, right now.
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So yeah, there's always that debate about what the hardest position is to play. Do you think safety is?
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It's definitely one of them. I wouldn't say the. But it's definitely one of them. I think it's top three. You know, you have quarterback, corner, and I think safety is right up there just because of the cerebral ness you have to have along with to be able to the ability to play the run game and the pass. You're guarding receivers and tight ends and tackling running backs, you know, at any moment, you know, on any play, you're doing so many things, so. Yeah, I think that's why it's one of the hardest positions.
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And you got to read the offense, right?
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Yeah, for sure. Man. You playing mind games with the quarterback, you know, you're disguising. You're trying to, you know, hold the integrity of the defense, but still holding your responsibilities as well.
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Right.
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So, you know, communicating with the entire back end, linebackers, D line, corners, you know, if I'm blitzing, I got to be talking to the D line. If I'm doing certain other things, I'm talking to the linebackers, corners. So you're really communicating with everybody. You're the quarterback of the defense.
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Wow, that's interesting. And are you memorizing the plays of the offense so you know what's going to happen?
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Yeah, we all are. You know, we all are. But like you say safety, you're relaying things in the past game and in the run game.
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Wow. You played on quite a few teams. Do you have a favorite?
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My favorite team was Denver, for sure. You know, win the championship there. The best experience.
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Yeah. That was with Peyton.
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Yep.
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What were your conversations like with him in the locker room?
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You know, I'd like to pick Peyton's brain, you know, because he's seen it all.
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Yeah.
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And more feedback on what I'm doing and what I could do better. What he sees, what are, you know, some tendencies that I'm giving away? Am I disguising a certain way? Can you tell what I'm doing? You know, things like that, ways to get better, you know, help the rest of the team.
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That's actually interesting because he's talking to you. You're a defensive player on the team.
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And he comes vice versa. You know, Peyton asked me, you know, T.J. what did you see? Did I give this away? Was my check too early? You know, certain things like that. So having him to bounce those questions off of and to have him even ask me those same questions was. It was cool.
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Yeah, that's dope. Because in my head, I'm just watching the game, and I don't even think the offense talks to the defense. You Know what I mean? I feel like they're just separate units.
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Oh, nah, man. We got. We super cool. You gotta be. It's a whole team. So, you know, just because you guys have different responsibilities, different tasks, you still have to come together and make it one. So.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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You know, the knowledge is to be shared and make everyone better.
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Yeah. Were you always a safety growing up?
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I played corner, actually. I played corner and safety. So I played corner in high school? Actually, no, I played safety in high school. I played corner when I first got to college. Had some injuries in my knee. Tore my meniscus a couple times. And that's really what made me move back to safety, was it was less stress on my knee.
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Yeah, man, this is nasty ones.
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Yeah, man, that was. You know what? I broke my knee in high school my senior year, and that's why I didn't get a scholarship and I ended up walking on at Oregon. But the meniscus tears were the most, like, lingering injuries that I had. Like, they just. I just felt like they took so long to get better. And for the atrophy of my leg to recover, it was just. It was more of a nuisance injury.
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Oh, for sure.
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For so long. It was just irritating.
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Yeah, my mom tore hers playing tennis and she still feels it 10 years later, man.
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Yeah, I still feel it too. Definitely crazy.
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Yeah, that's a nasty one because you don't ever grow it back, right?
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Yeah, that cartilage, it's gone.
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Damn. On your Wikipedia, it said you never lost a game in high school. Is that true?
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That's true.
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That's nuts, man.
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Yeah, it was 151 games. Of course, I didn't play all 151, but yeah, you know, until the end of my senior year. Was the last team to keep the streak alive. That's what it was called, the Streak. De La Salle High School.
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That's nuts. And they lost the next year when you left.
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Yeah, first. First.
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You must have given them the group chat.
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First game, we were like, yeah, they.
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Had so much pressure.
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Right? Man, you know what? They had so much pressure. I'm not going to lie. That team, they had so much pressure on them just because they weren't as talented as we were in the past. And it was kind of like a foreseen thing that this team would lose.
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Yeah, it was going to happen.
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It was. First game.
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Did they get smacked? Like, was it close?
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Oh, man, they got beat up.
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Oh, they got beat.
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I think the other team scored on the first play. Sheesh yeah, like the opening kickoff, like.
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He ran it backer. Oh, that's. That's a tough way to come back.
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Open and kickoff. I think it was a touchdown, but yeah.
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Damn. From there you went to Oregon. Did you play all four years?
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I was on the team all four years.
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Okay, so you didn't start the first.
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I didn't start the. Well, actually, it's a. Whoo. You know what, it's a pretty up and down story. I came in, you know, walked on, like I said, and I was playing a little bit entering camp as a walk on freshman. So it was kind of like a teeter of if I was going to play as a true, like get some time maybe on special teams, back up at, you know, corner. Then I had a minor knee injury that set me down a few weeks. So it was like night. Now that he's injured, he's too far behind the curb. Red shirt. So came in red shirt, still trying to get my scholarship. And I figured if I'm starting, there's no way I could not have scholarship right. I'm starting. So that was my goal to that camp, was to earn that starting position. So I was battling another guy, another two guys for that position. End up kind of winning, leaving spring ball. It was kind of one. I wouldn't say it was my position yet, but going into camp that fall camp, it was pretty much my position. Then that's when I tore my meniscus.
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Damn.
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So that set me down pretty much my red shirt freshman year, going into my register sophomore year. And I was dealing with that injury for two years. Fast forward to my junior year. Safety position's open. I win the position, have a great junior season, you know, have outstanding junior season, if you ask me. And I was gonna leave that year, but I didn't feel the NFL was gonna give me credit for just one year. You know, I was gonna say, oh, he was hurt two years he played one year. Yeah, you know, so I figured I'd come back and take the chance of going first round. That was my goal, was to go first round, win the PAC 10, win the rose bowl, possibly Natty, you know, I had goals for my senior year and you know, I came back and I'm glad I came back, you know, even though I got hurt first. First game of my senior year. High ankle, spring. Yeah, I finished the year strong. Had a great, no pre draft period. Did well at the combine. Did well in my pro day. And I got drafted 38 overall. You know, missing half my senior year.
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That's Impressive.
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Yeah.
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Did you know you were going to. How does the draft. Because I know NBA, they invite you to train and stuff. Is it like that same thing?
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Yeah. I did a few workouts. I did a workout with the Browns, the Chiefs, the Rams took a visit to Baltimore, see the Ravens, the Chiefs as well, and Browns. And, you know, the Browns were pretty much the favorite the whole time.
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Yeah.
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And showed the most interest in me. And, you know, at the end of the day, we're a team to draft me.
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Nice. So do they tell you they're gonna do it or you just.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you're there, the Browns tell you, like. Well, they told me they, like, we're gonna come get you. I had Rob Ryan, man, shout out to Rob Ryan, D coordinator. He was cool as hell.
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He's a real one, man.
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He real one. He's like, man, I'm gonna come get you in the second round. Cause I will come get you in the first, but they won't let me. So, you know, and to his word, man, they came and got me in the second round. Even Kansas City, they were like, took the visit. You know, if we don't take Eric Berry with our first pick, if he's gone, we're going to take you in a second. And they took Air Barry, so.
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Wow, what a story, dude. So you got to pay your own tuition in college the first few years.
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For the first year.
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That ain't cheap.
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No, it's not cheap.
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Damn.
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So, you know, I had to hurry up and get this scholarship.
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Yeah.
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No time to waste.
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Wow. I did not know.
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Yeah. That was the first thing actually I paid off was a scholarship.
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That's probably smart because if you still had it right now, it'd be like, dude, the interest on that.
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Well, I always hear like, you know, what is the first thing you bought with your check? Small houses, cars, whatever.
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Yeah.
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It's like, man, I don't never hear nobody say loan.
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Yeah. A lot of players blow their money. Right. I heard that.
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I mean, most of them, they come in on scholarships, so.
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No, I mean.
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Oh. After.
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Yeah.
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I wouldn't say most players. I. I think there's a handful of players that blow their money, but I think the statistics are pretty. On this. Pretty much on the size of guys.
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Yeah.
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Handling their money pretty decent.
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That first big contract you had, what's going through your head? Did your life change?
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You know what? No, the money is not even really. That hit me first. It's the. The achievement of, you know, reaching my lifetime, lifelong goal of being Drafted, like that's the first thing that hits you. Honestly, I didn't even think about the money initially.
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Wow.
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Like, till later, much later.
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So that's impressive, man, because I feel like most people would see that dollar on paper be like, holy crap.
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Yeah, I mean that definitely comes later. But initial response is, you know, I've been drafted. I guess you are thinking, I'm in a better place. I'm in a position where, you know, we aren't struggling, we don't have to struggle. You know, depending on your situation, there's going to be very less struggle.
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Yeah.
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With the situation I'm in, so. But no, it's definitely achieving that goal.
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I love that I want to dive into your sports agency and why you started that and what the mission is with that company.
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Yeah, I started that because coming off, you know, being a player, I felt that player, you know, representation is very important from the standpoint of an ex player and being in, in those seats, those, those shoes and you know, trying to maximize guys potential, making sure that they're doing every and all the things that they need to do to become the best pros during their careers and post retirement.
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Yeah, a lot of people need guidance because they.
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There's a lot of people coming in from you from a lot of different angles. Even retiring is a lot to deal with. Like I'm dealing with things that, you know, I could use coaching on, you know, dealing with this. So no matter where you are in career, there's going to be things that you're going to need help with, guidance with and you're just going to be inexperienced. It.
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Yeah, I bet retiring is. People don't really talk about it, but your whole life was dedicated to football. So when you retired, you must have felt kind of lost for a bit, right?
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Yeah, it was, you know, I had a child right in the middle of retirement, so I was dealing with two, you know, pretty drastically new things in my life. So that was something that put me in a space, kind of just wanting to be isolated for a little bit.
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Wow. Yeah. Because your whole life, like I said, you're committed to football and that's what brought in the money and everything. So then you retire and you want to provide for the family, but you don't know how, Right?
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B
Yeah, yeah. It's just a lot of thinking. No, I was, I was well off. I was good, you know, but I'm not a stagnant person. So sitting around something I knew I wasn't gonna be able to do. So what do I want to Do. Do I want to get into coaching? You know, do I want to sit down for a while and just kick back and be retired, don't do nothing, raise my son, you know, do I want to get in front office? Do I want to be on tv, you know, do I want to get away from the sport entirely and get in a whole nother field and do that? You know, so there's a lot of things that cross your mind and thinking about what you want to do in your future. But I'm always being a person of, you know, giving back to those coming behind me in, in all aspects, whether it's professionally monetarily, with my foundation time. So I think just helping those that come, you know, without the. The. The knowledge and experience that you already, you know, have had or have gone through is. Is very important.
- [22:42]
A
Absolutely. I want to talk about the foundation. What exactly do you provide with that?
- [22:47]
B
Our foundation, the War Boy project, is, I say, ours. Me and my brother Taron. It's really a family organization. Everyone's involved. My mom, my dad, sister. But it's all about youth empowerment, youth development. Just making sure that the youth is guided in a direction and, you know, allowed access to things that they wouldn't otherwise. So, you know, we have programs, mentorship program. We have a scholarship for private schools and high school in the name of Terrence Kelly, which was my close friend from high school that got killed our senior year and who was supposed to go to Oregon as well. So this scholarship is in his name. Camps, you know, football camps, barbecues, symposiums, things like that. Just to educate things, Educate them on different, you know, life. Life goals and no challenges.
- [23:48]
A
Yeah. So cool, man. Having pursued the path of a professional athlete with your kids, is that something you want them to. To pursue?
- [23:55]
B
Yeah, definitely. And definitely get them involved in other things that aren't the typical sports for them. Sports from where, you know, they come from. You know, it's not football, basketball. I'm involved in golf. That's a big hobby of mine right now.
- [24:09]
A
Nice.
- [24:10]
B
You know, educating them on different areas that they can be successful. Then the typical things that are, you know, put in front of them.
- [24:18]
A
Nice. What about boxing? You ever get a. Get an offer there?
- [24:22]
B
Nah, I haven't got into boxing. I got hands, though.
- [24:25]
A
Yeah, my boy runs those. Celebrity.
- [24:29]
B
Boxing is definitely something as far as training and exercise nutrition that I'm interested in. I've done it training wise, but never competitive.
- [24:40]
A
Dude, we'll get you a fight, man. Just don't end up like Nate Robinson.
- [24:42]
B
Oh, man. Man, I. I promise won't end up like that dude.
- [24:47]
A
I looked up to him so much, man. He was such an athletic person in the NBA and then knocked out.
- [24:53]
B
You know, sometimes it happens to the best of us.
- [24:56]
A
You get in a lot of fights growing up?
- [24:58]
B
I got my fair share.
- [24:59]
A
Damn.
- [25:00]
B
For sure.
- [25:00]
A
So you had like some temper stuff?
- [25:03]
B
Nah, not necessarily. I'm more of a in defense fighter. Oh, yeah.
- [25:08]
A
So you would protect your boys, step in there, protect.
- [25:11]
B
Protect either my loved ones or myself. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not really the starting a fight type of person.
- [25:18]
A
Yeah.
- [25:18]
B
But I'll definitely finish it.
- [25:20]
A
I feel I've never been in one, man. No, to be honest. Yeah.
- [25:23]
B
Yeah, man. You don't need to look like a nice guy. I don't think. Anybody come up bothering you?
- [25:28]
A
Yeah, just a podcaster, man, doing my thing.
- [25:30]
B
It's the. The guys that be talking trash on the podcast that usually seem to get themselves in trouble, so.
- [25:38]
A
Oh, yeah, Yeah. I had one on the mount yesterday, man. That was an interesting one.
- [25:41]
B
He tried to get you in his drama.
- [25:43]
A
Yeah, I'm like, keep me out of this.
- [25:45]
B
Brought you in this beef, man.
- [25:47]
A
I don't do that drama now. Nah, dude, I know people love that social media drama, but I just stay out of it.
- [25:54]
B
Yeah, man, I'm cool with the drama. Drama free.
- [25:56]
A
Yeah.
- [25:56]
B
And go the other way. I'm cool.
- [25:58]
A
I love that, man. Well, anything you want to close off with our promote?
- [26:02]
B
No, man, just Player Above Sports Group is the name of the agency. Just check us out. Warboy project.org find us there on Instagram as well. Twitter, you know, all the social platforms. Yeah, that's it in the video.
- [26:22]
A
Thanks for coming on, man.
- [26:23]
B
Yeah, appreciate you having.
- [26:24]
A
Thanks for watching, guys. See you tomorrow.