Gambling Secrets They Don’t Want You to Know | Togi DSH #1360

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Gambling Secrets They Don’t Want You to Know

Podcast Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Togi
Episode: #1360
Date: May 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Sean Kelly welcomes notorious high-stakes gambler and viral content creator Togi. With unfiltered candor, Togi opens up about the realities of professional gambling, the psychology and thrill of risk, his unique rise to social media fame, and the often destructive but captivating world of gambling, substance use, and internet stardom. This episode pulls back the curtain on industry secrets, debunks common myths, and explores the blurred lines between luck, addiction, and viral success.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Reality of High-Stakes Gambling

• Odds and Strategies:

  • No real strategy can beat games like blackjack or baccarat in the long run.
  • Martingale (progressive betting) is common, "90% of time you win, 10% you get devastated" ([03:00]).
  • Togi prefers a slow Martingale, increasing bets by 2-6% instead of doubling.
  • “There’s no strategy that’s going to make you higher than 49% [chance], no matter what.” – Togi ([03:00]).

• Psyche of a Gambler:

  • Togi often drinks heavily or uses drugs when gambling to numb stress and chase losses, calling it the “blackout method” ([01:25]).
  • “If I’m not eight beers deep, I don’t start gambling.” – Togi ([01:25]).
  • Filming gambling sessions for “science;” often only learning the outcome the next day via playback.

• Casino Economics & Sponsorships:

  • Explains the business models of gambling sites like Rubet and why they sponsor high-stakes “addicts.”
  • Expected casino profits are built into their deals with streamers (e.g., 4% loss on $20M/month = $800,000) ([04:52]).
  • “Rubet is smart. They only sponsor very high stakes addicts... It’s the best business model ever.” – Togi ([04:30]).

The Unique Social Side of Gambling

• Gambling is likened to an expensive “country club,” giving access to luxury experiences if you play enough ([12:44]).
• Creating social bonds through shared losses: “Nothing makes you bond with somebody more than gambling” ([11:31]).
• Most fun is often losing small money with friends as a teen, not the huge wins.

The Addiction and Downside

• Admits repeated cycles of making and losing fortunes, followed by a rapid emotional reset: “Gambling losses never hurt for more than 24 hours” ([08:40]).
• “I’ve been pretty well off, and then dead broke twice now... Now we’re back. This is the third time.” – Togi ([23:26]).
• Enjoys the emotional rollercoaster: “It almost makes me feel alive to lose and get everything. I’m also here to have fun.” ([24:00])

Money Philosophy & Materialism

• Spends lavishly on cars, jewelry, and experiences, advocating for enjoying money young rather than saving for later ([24:00], [25:50]).
• Sees little happiness from material things beyond experiences like travel or cars; jewelry and watches are less meaningful ([25:50]).
• Enjoys gifting expensive watches to friends for their first “hit” ([27:14]).

Content Creation & Viral Algorithms

• Togi’s viral formula: seek polarizing topics with large bases of both supporters and haters.
• “I can make anybody go viral in six months... It’s the same as a Rubik’s Cube—looks hard but it’s just about effort” ([37:33]).
• Began with controversial fitness and steroid videos (“glorified steroids for the shock value”) ([39:26]).
• Viral longevity isn’t luck: “There’s a lot of method behind the madness... a lot of people think it’s luck” ([43:46]).

Online Fame & Shifting Success

• Internet allowed regular people to attain earning power and fame exceeding many “old-school” professions ([32:21]).
• Cultural shift: making doctor-level money as a college dropout can convert even strict immigrant parents ([33:43]).
• Emphasis on being authentic for real fandom: “The best way to make money is be a hundred percent authentic to yourself.” ([51:27])

Clipping, Editing, and Modern Content Models

• Details the vital role of content clippers; Togi built a team of 20 devoted fans as clippers, yielding hundreds of millions of views ([48:00]).
• Explains partnership versus transactional relationships with editors ([48:12]).

Drugs, Sobriety, and Mental Health

• Open about extensive use of alcohol, stimulants, and other substances while gambling and creating content.
• Describes near-fatal overdose and subsequent (partial) sobriety: “I overdosed, had to go to the hospital... realized I wasn’t invincible.” ([42:41])
• Strong warnings against Xanax, Percocet, ketamine, and most psychedelics for productive people ([59:31], [61:19]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Losing and Chasing:
  • “If I’m not eight beers deep, I don’t start gambling... The blackout method, it has literally never, ever failed me.” – Togi ([01:25])
• On Gambling’s Addictive Nature:
  • “Gamblers love the self-sabotage, as much as they won’t admit it.” – Togi ([08:40])
• On Teaching Gambling to Kids:
  • “Gambling should be legal for children... because if they taught you when you only had $20, then all of a sudden you can go in and understand the odds you’re working with.” – Togi ([10:06])
• On Martingale & Casino Sponsorship:
  • “With Martingale... 90% of time you win money, and then 10% of the time you’re devastated beyond your wildest imagination.” – Togi ([03:00])
  • “Rubet is smart... they know that I’m going to be firing like crazy and the expected loss on that, whatever, 4%. If I gamble through on average 20 million a month, your expected loss is 800,000 on that.” – Togi ([04:52])
• On Life Philosophy:
  • “It’s way easier to make more money than it is to pinch pennies. And memories are priceless. I’ll never regret going broke, but I got to go on a crazy vacation with my friends.” – Togi ([24:00])
• On Viral Success:
  • “A lot of people will see this and say this kid’s just ego, huge, whatever. But I always felt that way, especially because I knew the work I was putting in, and I knew that it can’t be that hard. I’m putting in the work. It has to work. It’s going to work.” – Togi ([46:01])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Blackout Gambling & Martingale Method: [01:25]–[04:02]
• Casino Sponsorships and Expected Loss: [04:09]–[05:10]
• Addiction, Chasing Losses, and Emotional Reset: [07:44]–[08:40]
• Teaching Gambling to Kids: [10:06]–[11:31]
• Perks and Social Side of Gambling: [12:44]–[13:32]
• Making and Losing Millions (Road to 10 Million): [16:13]–[18:23]
• Money Philosophy – Spend it While You’re Young: [24:00]–[25:50]
• Making Others Viral & Cracking the Algorithm: [37:33]–[39:42]
• Steroids, Health Risks, and Going Viral With Shock Content: [39:43]–[42:41]
• Drug Use & Mental Health Wakeup Call: [42:41]–[43:17]
• Content Creation, Clippers, and Building a Team: [47:48]–[49:56]
• Authenticity & Fan Building on YouTube vs. TikTok: [51:07]–[52:45]
• Advice on Creating Content & Facing Judgment: [52:45]–[53:07]
• Drug Perspectives (Xanax, Stimulants, Psychedelics): [59:31]–[63:21]

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Tone & Style

This episode is raw, irreverent, and brutally honest, marked by Togi's unfiltered bro-energy, humor, and outright admissions of vice and addiction—mixed with real insights about the dangers, thrills, and business of gambling and going viral.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you’re curious about what motivates high-stakes gamblers, why platforms aggressively sponsor risk-takers, and what it takes to become viral in today’s economy (and what you risk losing), this episode is both cautionary tale and unconventional guidebook. Togi holds nothing back discussing the emotional cost, fleeting thrill, and strategy behind both gambling and content creation—a must-listen for anyone wanting the inside story on modern internet success and its personal costs.

Transcript

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[Togi]

Then all of a sudden you can go in and understand the odds that you're working with. Because a lot of people, like, live this dream and idea that it's very easy to get super rich gambling. And it's pretty much the hardest thing you can ever get rich from is gambling. But at least if you're informed with this information, you're more prepared. And on top of that, you incredible social activity.

[Podcast Host]

All right, guys, finally made it happen. Got togi here today. Let's go.

[Togi]

Thank you for having me. I'm super stoked to be here.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You're not down 250k like last time?

[Togi]

No, we're at. Well, we're down 150k, but the now we're. Yeah, the more. The biggest problem was I was hungover a shit last time, and now I feel I didn't drink yesterday specifically so I'd be ready for this podcast.

[Podcast Host]

Do you pound while you gamble?

[Togi]

Usually you can't. Not you, dude. If you're gambling sober, it's A, not fun, and B, you can't make the right decisions because it takes like, as I gamble a lot and it takes a ton of balls to be like, I just lost that 10, 000 hand. Now I need to do 20. No matter how much you have gambled, it gets very stressful. So I get. If I'm not eight beers deep, I don't start gambling. Like, usually. Ideally, I. There's a method I called the blackout method. Very popular amongst my fans, and it's been a consistent, very consistent experience that I completely black out. Like, no recollection of what happened. And I wake up with like hundreds of thousands. The worst it's ever been is I blacked out, lost one and a half million, but then I blacked out again the next night in an effort of making it back, and I made $2 million. So it's like every time, it has literally never, ever failed me. And so last night, or last two nights ago, didn't black out last 150 tonight. I'm going to blackout super hard. And then you just wake up and you. You don't have to worry about anything. You just wake up. There's money there every single time. It's literally never failed me. I. And I film it every time, which is why it's exciting, because it's like, for science. Right. You can. Because it's kind of like. Like I sound like Mickey Mace. If I just tell people, yeah, I. All of a sudden, I got this money. But if you film it all, then everyone can watch. And then we watch the footage backing like, okay, so he blacked out and this is how he did it.

[Podcast Host]

And it's so just on autopilot.

[Togi]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host]

You don't even know what you're doing.

[Togi]

You're just like, well, it's like, do you like or talk? It just. You don't have to think about it. You don't. Yeah. It's muscle memory at that point.

[Podcast Host]

Do you have a strategy like Martingale, or are you just going with the flow?

[Togi]

Yeah, people say, like, oh, how do you win gambling? What's your strategy? There's no real, like, you're not going to beat baccarat, you're not going to beat blackjack. So the general idea, which is statistically not the best, statistically it's consistent. There's no strategy that's going to make you higher than the 49%. Right. Like, you can get up to 49% no matter what. You're not. You're not beating that. But as far as, like, the long term gambling, when you martingale, you either end in 90% of time with Martingale, you win money, and then 10% of the time, you're devastated beyond your wildest imagination. Like, it's like literal financial devastation. So thus far, it's been good. I typically like Martingale, but not exact double. Like a slow increase, maybe. Every loss, you up the bet by like 2 to 6%. So that's been. I've never lost using that strategy, but I do know that I should reel it in because one day it will end in your bank account being negative. Because that's just. That's the nature of it. You know, eventually you're gonna have to fire bigger than you're willing or able to afford, and then you will lose. Yeah, I've not gotten there yet.

[Podcast Host]

You need crazy bankroll like Dana White money to do the Martingale.

[Togi]

Yeah. And that's good. Why? Being.

So involved with the casinos, Like, I'm sponsored by Rubet and then I get a marker from Red Rock. You. My line of credit is unlimited.

[Podcast Host]

Really? At Red Rock?

[Togi]

No, no Red Rock I only get 100,000.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Togi]

But Rubat is unlimited so it's like just keep gambling more until you win. That's insane.

[Podcast Host]

So rub's got crazy money then they're just giving you unlimited?

[Togi]

Yeah, but they know bro Ruby is smart. They got a good business model because you'll notice they only sponsor very high stakes addicts. So it's like they pay me X amount to gamble and they pay all their sponsors X amount to gamble but they know that I'm going to be firing like crazy and the expected loss on that, whatever 4%.

If I gamble through on average 20 million a month it's. Your expected loss is 800,000 on that. So that's how they like run their numbers I would imagine. They don't say that I guess Ruben, don't get mad at me but every. It's obvious how Rubat runs that like it's smart. It's the best business model ever.

[Podcast Host]

Is that the one train wrecks on just betting crazy money?

[Togi]

No, that's so it's on steak. Train wrecks actually don't know how much he's pretty open about but he was talking to Rubet and they're like oh, what kind of deal are you looking for? You want to do 300 hours a month of gambling which imagine you gamble 10 hours a day and then with that you, when you gamble 300 hours a month on your biggest train wrecks like realistically you're asking for like 30 to 50 million a month. So that was just like kind of like that's not going to happen. 300 hours is. I do 30 hours and the trilite.

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[Togi]

It's pretty exhausting. Gambling is mentally, I would say it's extremely draining. 300 hours. I would, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Because it's an emotional experience. Like you're up and down, like you know.

[Togi]

Yeah. I think if I didn't do so many drugs, the drugs while I do it because like it just gets very like a, you're hungover and B, it's just twice as stressful in your body when you're on drugs and then usually gets out of hand. Two weeks ago I was supposed to do a stream. Cigar, whatever. Fifty thousand dollar buy in, 30 minute stream. Quick and easy. Like I was just supposed to get these hours in and I didn't have to do this, but I ended up depositing $1.8 million over the course of 15 hours and lost all of it. So like once you start ripping drugs, the stimulants, it's like in my opinion, impossible to stop until they. What they did is locked. My account said your stream is over. Stop gambling. All right, well, thank you for stopping.

[Podcast Host]

Me at least did you crash out after that?

[Togi]

No, dude. You know, gambling losses, they never hurt for more than 24 hours. In my experience is that one time I lost my life savings. And at this point I had no sponsors, so I was like legitimately broke. I just lost everything. And I was crashed out for about seven days. And then it's like on to the next. But usually you wake up and it's. You just got. Because you're used to it. You know, gamblers love that as much as they don't want to admit it. Gamblers love the self sabotage. Like there's something awesome. Yes. I just lost so much money. Like, it's just like the roller coaster of if everything was easy. Like, gambling would not be fun if, like you won every time. Yeah, it would just be shitty. So you're used to it. You were like, I, whatever, lost 150 the other night. And then now I'm ready to go back and go to war again.

[Podcast Host]

Where do you think this ends? Like, do you have a goal?

[Togi]

No, I was talking about this the other day. I don't think too far ahead. Like, my schedule in life is literally, I can't think ahead more. Well, I mean, you saw how hard it is for me to schedule a podcast. It's 30 days max. It's more like, what am I doing on this YouTube video? Get this YouTube video and then the next thing I've never thought about, like, what am I going to do in 6 months, 12 months, 5 years? I want kids eventually, though. Yeah, that's like the only thing. The only foresight. What they call that? Foresight?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I think that's the right term for that.

[Togi]

Yeah. I want. I want kids. That's a.

[Podcast Host]

You want to teach them how to play blackjack?

[Togi]

Yeah, dude, this is also a good point you have. Dude, Gambling should be legal for children because a. I'm serious. Listen, listen, listen. Gambling is bad because the schools never entertain the idea of how to play blackjack, how to play baccarat, and then when you're an adult and you have adult money, you go in, you have no idea. If you're playing imperfect blackjack, your odds of losing are about 80, 90%. And you go in and you lose the house to wife the kids, and then there's a problem. But if they taught you how to gamble when you only had $20, then all of a sudden you can go in and.

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[Audible Narrator]

That's great.

[Togi]

Understand the odds that you're working with because a lot of people like live this dream and idea that it's very easy to get super rich gambling. And it's pretty much the hardest thing you can ever get rich from is gambling. But at least if you're informed with this information, it's, you're more prepared. And on top of that incredible social activity, if you're like a socially anxious kid, whatever, it's kind of like playing sports, you know, but not everyone's great at sports. Not everyone's great. Whatever the activities they have to offer gambling, anybody can be great at hanging out, having fun. It's nothing makes you bond with somebody more than gambling. I think the most fun I've ever had, like I remember me buying in with my friends, whatever, maybe like 16 years old, we had $20 but we had the most. We lost it obviously, but we had the best time ever. And now like nothing creates shitty times. Create strong bonds. And when you lose a ton of money with somebody it's like, all right, well we went through that together and now that was lit. So anyways, yeah, I think gambling is great for kids all ages. So if my kids want to gamble, yeah, we can make that work.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I mean you've met a lot of friends at the table, so yeah.

[Togi]

You'Re speaking the truth there.

[Podcast Host]

You gamble with some cool people. I've seen.

[Togi]

Yeah, yeah, it's been a blessing. That's like also a lot of people don't see the light in like it gets such a bad rep. But really if you look at gambling, it's kind of like paying the fee for a really expensive country club. Like I have a ten thousand dollar a night room for free at every casino. They drove me here, they will wait for me until I'm done and then you go and you get to do nice dinners with everyone else. That's gambling. So you're just paying a fee. Like, people pay $200,000 a year to be in some shitty country club. It's the same idea, gambling. And gambling's the only game. Only country club where they might pay you a few million dollars to be at the country club, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah. You get comped, meals, comp, tickets to shows, everything.

[Togi]

Yeah, it's the best.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. If you play it right, it's. You actually don't lose too much, I guess, if you play all the perks and everything.

[Togi]

Yeah. You have to play, like, it's hard to play super sharp all the time because it's boring. Like, sometimes you just got to double in eight because, like, it. We're having fun here. I'm not here to, like, try and count cards or make a ton of money. I'm just here to have fun. That's what gambling is, to me, is fun.

[Podcast Host]

Do you like crops?

[Togi]

I never played it. We were supposed to play it last night on or two nights ago on stream, but then we lost all our money, like, really fast.

[Podcast Host]

So I feel like that's the most fun craps.

[Togi]

How'd that work? You. You want seven, right, or something like that.

[Podcast Host]

You don't want seven? Depending on how you play. It's complicated to explain, but if you're at a good table, the energy just feels fun, you know?

[Togi]

Yeah. Well, that's the one that. I saw it on the Hangover movie. Like, everyone's around the table. You like tossing. It's like. Yeah. So I want to get around to some craps, but I just haven't gotten.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that one's fun.

[Togi]

I'm big on cards. Like, I hate roulette.

[Podcast Host]

Roulette's boring.

[Togi]

It's the worst.

[Podcast Host]

And then you got to wait a while to get the number.

[Togi]

Yeah, it's. And also I. The odds are what? Depends on where you play. But, like, deo, they got three zeros on the wheel. So your odds are you could never win if you played for five hours.

[Podcast Host]

Hell, no. That's a 9% edge for the casino. Yeah. Yeah. Double zeros already. Terrible odds. Yeah. Like, there's barely any singles here anymore.

[Togi]

Yeah. Red Rock's got a single zero. So that's why Red Rock has some of the best odds.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, Red Rock's a slot. A lot of good guys go there to gamble.

[Togi]

Well, that's where Caesars and Red Rock have the best odds as far as I have played at. But, like, the places that are for the people, like Bellagio, when, like, for the. More, like, tourists have it like, it's a nicer looking casino. It's more fun there. But you get fucked on gambling consistently.

[Podcast Host]

Were you gambling with the Tates when they were at Red Rock?

[Togi]

No, no, they don't. They only gamble for 30 minutes. They came in, did like two hands and then left. Yeah, I think it was just for the video.

[Podcast Host]

In and out like Dana White.

[Togi]

Yeah. They also made. They made like 20, 000 each. So they were like, yeah, whatever.

[Podcast Host]

Boom.

[Togi]

I'm happy we got our video and we're done. But I was talking to Tate after and he says he doesn't like gambling high stakes because his whole point was he's already rich. So it's like, why would I. The. The idea of gambling is you either you have no money and the idea is to get rich, or you run out of money and you still have no money. So he's already rich. There's no reason to fall back.

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[Togi]

Back down the ladder, when you've climbed it. Gambling is the easiest way for people to get a shot at making it to the top. And then worst case, you lose it and you're back where you started.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I mean, you did a road to 10 million series, right? So do you think if you had 10 million, you would still be gambling?

[Togi]

Yes, but it's because, dude, I swear, I'm. Yeah, I'm just super addicted to gambling at the end of the day. And I love what it provides and the experiences. I just love it so much. But I did good on the road to 10 million. I made like, actually made about $4 million. And then the latter 6 million was.

Just not existent because it was like I fluffed it. It was like, oh, I bought a house in Miami. I'll probably double in a few years. So we just added 2 million. I'm dropping a song and I was like, okay, that song will probably net me 3 million. So there's 5 million I just pulled out of my ass out of nowhere. But as far as the actual gambling options, what else we do? Oh, yeah, I sold a painting for 150k.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Togi]

Which was hilarious because the pay. You guys see a picture of it? Dude, it's.

[Podcast Host]

What was. Who was the artist to that? It's a lot of money.

[Togi]

Me.

[Podcast Host]

No, I painted. Someone actually bought that?

[Togi]

Yes, bro. It's called Modern Slurvery. Oh yeah. Motor and sliver right there. So what happened is I just. Because I was at an art museum and I was like.

This is ass. Like the. I went to an art museum, it was sold out. So there's probably. They netted probably 6 million and they were all like, you could paint in high school. So I was like this. I'm gonna do this on my own. Painted it, auctioned it, just on my own website. And the final bid was 203,000. But then like most of the top bidders ended up just trying to with me and I wasn't gonna like really be offended and like try and like poke at them to get to pay for it. So I just went down the ladder eventually.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

156, 000 was the final sale price.

[Podcast Host]

That's insane.

[Togi]

And then the other schemes we did was I traded options, meme coins and then gambling. And so we made about 4 million. But then it's like, you'd think you'd be happy with 4 million. Then I off and for two weeks I literally enjoyed $4 million for two weeks. And then I lost 1.8 on stream. So it's like, okay, now we have 2 million. And then I lost 200000 the other night. So I guess I have $2 million now.

[Audible Narrator]

Damn.

[Podcast Host]

But you made 4 million a month though?

[Togi]

No, it was 60 days. But this is why it's cool, because I talk about this a lot. You. You have to be very delusionally optimistic about all things because nobody in their right mind would think you can make $10 million in a month gambling. At the start of it, I truly thought I was gonna make the goal was $25 million in 30 days. And I. You could. I would put it on everything. If you talked to myself two months ago, I'm going to do it. I know I'm going to do it. I don't know why I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Any logical person would say, you're fucking stupid. And that's not going to happen. Because at the start my balance in my bank account was 100,000. So it was like, how are you going to turn 100,000? 25 million. I couldn't explain to you why or how I was going to do it. I just knew I was going to do it. And so I tried to do it. And then as I was doing it, I realized, that's not possible. It's fucking ridiculous. But as a result, I got a great YouTube video out of it. I had the best two months of my life. I made $4 million. I gave away about $400,000. Like, change people's lives. So it was probably the best two months of my life. But the problem is, if I was a little smarter, like, most people who are, like, a little more intelligent than me just a tiny bit, they think about it like, that doesn't even. I'm not even going to try. So I would have never fucking tried. And then I would have missed out on the best two months of my life.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. That's impressive, man. Yeah. You did take an IQ test. I saw that video.

[Togi]

Yeah, dude, I. That. I swear I could score higher. I took that after. It was, like, a really long, bad bender. And so I was, like, really hungover. Ton of brain fog. And I scored. I think it was a 79. And everyone. I go with it because it's funny. And everyone's like, oh, he's got a 79. 79. I am not that stupid. I was too hungover.

[Podcast Host]

Strike me as a 79.

[Togi]

I don't want to take it again because part of me is scared I'll get lower. And then there's a huge problem. And also, like, what good does it really do to know your iq? Because then you either think you're all super smart, like, if you score high, then you think you're smart, you're arrogant, I'm too smart. Or you score low, and then you're like, I'm useless and idiot. So I'm. At this point, I'm just like. And I would also hate to be average, because then it's like, I'm just the same. I would rather be stupid than average.

[Podcast Host]

You're right, though.

[Togi]

At least you're different, you know? I don't want to be right. What's average? Like 100?

[Podcast Host]

100, I think. 100. Oh, is it 120? 120.

[Togi]

I have no idea.

[Podcast Host]

No 120 tie. But you're right. There's no good score.

[Togi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Even if you get, like, a 150 and you're a genius, you're gonna be. You're gonna start being a dick.

[Togi]

Yeah, exactly. You're gonna think you're better than. That doesn't help anybody.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And if you're average, you're just Gonna be like, I'm average. Like that sucks.

[Togi]

Yeah, so it was a fun bit, but I don't think I need to know any more about.

[Podcast Host]

Did you take a real one, like a four hour test, like it was legit?

[Togi]

No, no, I took three different. They're not like fully not legit. I don't know what goes into iq. I think also that's a good point. I think IQ is, consists of a lot of things. Like how fast, like, like your reaction time. I, I don't know, I think and like how fast you can run or whatever. But a, you don't. There's no way you can tell me. I took these puzzles and it's like, oh, what shape is coming next? That is not so. But either way, I took three 20 minute tests and all of them scored under 100. But that's ridiculous. I was too hungover.

[Podcast Host]

How were your grades in school growing up? Were you a good student?

[Togi]

My GPA.

In college before I dropped out was like a 1.7. And then in senior year of high school I think I got like a 2.1. But I mean they were good enough. I got. Okay, well, I guess I forget what my average was in high school, but the college I went to, Montana State University, they accept anybody if you have above, I think a two.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Togi]

So it was the only option I had and that's why I went there. But good enough grades to get into college. Not good enough grades to impress anybody. As far as a job goes, I feel.

[Podcast Host]

What were you trying to do like majoring when you were there?

[Togi]

I was just a idiot. I did finance. Like every retard, they's like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Let's go do finance. And then as I was getting my finance degree, I was skipping all my classes because I was trying to learn about like how I can make money. This and that. And I ended up making. Which I thought it was a genius at the time. But when I graduated high school, my grandparents gave me $10,000 and I took that $10,000 and I like, you know the Dunning Krug, whatever thing, the curve where it's like when you first learn about something, you think you know everything.

[Podcast Host]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Togi]

So I watched like four YouTube videos on Bitcoin. Is like, I got this year figured out. I take that $10,000, I turned it into $900,000 and like I'm the fucking. I'm going to drop out. So I dropped out. Thought it was the coolest motherfucker on the planet. Six months later I had $0 and I owed the IRS like $250,000 for taxes because like I A, I didn't know what taxes was at the time at 18 years old. And B, I didn't know like I was just, I thought me making that money was me being skilled and not being lucky. So I was like, I can go on this vacation, just do it again, do it again, I do it again and I lost it all. So that was a great learning experience. But anyway, that's why I ended up dropping outta college. So it was a blessing in disguise that I lost all that money because at least I got out of college out of the rat race.

[Podcast Host]

You've made it. Lost your money a few times on.

[Togi]

Yeah, I, I've been like pretty well off. And then dead broke twice now. One was the blowing it on cars, jewelry and then the leverage trading ended up going back to zero. And then the other time was just like 20 hour stream played Plinko for 20 hours straight. At the time I had like maybe $300,000 to my name and then lost all of it on stream and I was dead broke. And then now we're back. This is the third time I've had money and I'm hoping I don't it up this time.

[Podcast Host]

I don't think it'll happen again, do you?

[Togi]

I would say it probably happened one more time, but it's fine because I'm ready for it and I'm ready for any challenge because it's almost like there's something about it that I really enjoy. It almost makes me feel alive to lose and get everything. And I'm also here to have fun, like whatever. I spent half a million dollars on the jewelry I'm wearing right now. Do I have enough money to have? No, but it's like I'm having fun. I buy expensive cars, go on expensive vacations because what the fuck is your money good for when you're 60, 50, like as far as security goes, everyone's like, oh you have kids. After $70,000 a month you can do everything and anything in the world. In my experience, you have the security for all your health issues. You can you take care of your kids. And then after 70,000amonth, that money is just fun, free money, whatever. Like if you drove your, if you got a yacht or you drive your dream car and you're looking like Warren Buffett, that, that sounds so shitty to be. You can't even walk right. The don't matter because they're old and wrinkly anyways, or you're 22. I, I would say my advice to people is if you got 500 in your bank account, go buy a Burberry T shirt. The best. Like go spend your money crazy because it's way easier to make more money than it is to pinch pennies. And it's memories are priceless. I'll never regret going broke, but I got to go on a crazy vacation with my friends or did this and that. Driving your dream car at a young age is a very special spectacular experience. So like take out that loan, buy your dream car because do you really think you're never going to make money ever again? You have say 50,000 year name. Do you want to try and invest it? Or maybe just take out a loan, buy, drive a Lamborghini and then figure it, figure it out from there.

[Podcast Host]

Have you found happiness from buying materialistic things?

[Togi]

Just experiences in cars, jewelry. Now like I don't feel any happier from like things like jewelry, but really expensive dinners with my friends, really flying private jets with my friends and going like to really cool destinations like whatever, Dubai, that stuff. Like I said, memories are priceless. And then cars, like, yeah, it's almost an experience in itself. Like, I guess it's really just like that is everyone loves attention, whether you want to admit it or not. And the attention you get, especially as a young man, like people love impressing girls and like other young dudes. Like everyone. When you have a Lamborghini at a young age, it's the coolest feeling ever. So I would say cars and experiences, totally worth it. Jewelry, not worth it.

[Podcast Host]

I feel that. Yeah, I got some watches and I don't even wear them, man. It's like, why'd I even get this?

[Togi]

Exactly not. What kind of watches you got?

[Podcast Host]

I got six roll. Oh, I shouldn't even say this.

[Togi]

I got six Rolexes.

[Podcast Host]

I might have to cut that. I'm about to get robbed.

[Togi]

I was gonna say I got some.

[Podcast Host]

Stuff though, you know, cool dude, but no happiness. I bought them, they felt good for five minutes.

[Togi]

You know, I do love doing is. I like, I think I've bought maybe like I, I've probably spent like 300,000 on watches for my friends because it's really, really cool to give a friend to watch. Especially if they've never had a Rolex. Never had a Patek. It's because getting your first watch is very exciting.

[Podcast Host]

It's a first one hits.

[Togi]

You feel very. It's very different getting the first one. So I would say that's A good use of money on watches.

[Podcast Host]

Did you learn that from Steve? He used to do that a lot.

[Togi]

Of percent I learned it. I've learned a lot of my stuff from Steve. Steve will do it. People give me shit that he made me rich and he did my. I made. I met Steve. Like, my brand is my brand, but I didn't know what my brand is worth. The within 30 days of meeting Steve will do it. We got along really well. A really genuine guy. Like, we're really good friends now. My income 10x30 days after my Steve, he's like, dude, you got to do this different xyz. Like, he's really intelligent as far as business and money goes, which a lot of people don't give him the credit for. And then the generosity he's shown. The more it's the idea that.

Don'T be so about your money. It's not money. When you don't hold on to it so tightly, it just like falls into your hands. So I have no problem giving away more than what most people would say is responsible just because a. It feels incredible. Like, the dopamine I get from giving away money is unlike anything else. It's good karma. So you get good luck gambling the future. And so it's a good ROI on investment if you really think about it that way. And yeah, it just. It comes back.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, he's a. He's one of the biggest givers. Him and Mr. Beast, they be giving out and they're.

[Togi]

Rich as like some of the most wealthy influencers are the ones that are giving away millions.

[Podcast Host]

That's true. Did you see the ste will do a Steiny podcast episode?

[Togi]

No, I saw Steve was drunk yelling at Steiny, though. Yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing.

[Podcast Host]

You didn't see though?

[Togi]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they had some beef, but it looks like they're cool. No.

[Togi]

Yeah. Steve just got Stanley Richard Mill.

[Podcast Host]

So it sounds like you forgave him for whatever happened.

[Togi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

That's good though. I don't like to see them fighting.

[Togi]

Yeah, no, I think.

I think both sides are. I can see why both sides are mad at each other, but they've figured it out. Yeah, I think we're taking it. We're taking a jet all together on Sunday. So it sounds like.

[Podcast Host]

Well, there's a lot of drama in your world, man. There's always beef going on.

[Togi]

Yeah. I don't like to get too involved. I don't even really like doing collabs. Like podcasts are really even a hard thing for me to go on just because I like.

Doing stuff myself. Like, I guess I do like maybe a podcast every six months or something just to, it's like free content for me.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Togi]

I don't have to put so much work, I just show up. But for some reason it's kind of like I really enjoy. You know who Sam Suleik is?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

He's done one collab in his whole career and that's like the purest form of creating content, is that you're the content. Like there's creators. I, I, I respect Steiny, I respect Neon, but, and they've done incredible for themselves. But if Neon had no collabs or Steiny didn't have Nelk, it would be, their careers would be set back a lot. So it, to a certain point you're kind of like a slave to that. Like you need that. Whereas if you can get in a situation where you're like Steve or myself, it's just, I can, I could. My next YouTube video is just me talking at the camera for an hour straight and it'll get millions and millions of views because people are there for the togi experience.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, no, that's a good point. There's certain creators, they don't need a collab. Like Danny Duncan's one of them.

[Togi]

Yeah, no, he's, he's killing it. And that, and a big part of that is knowing how like that you or Danny Duncan, myself, whoever, that you're lightning in a bottle. Like everyone could be a one man army. Super entertaining. A lot of people just don't give them the credit for how entertaining they are. Think about it this way, right? 8 billion people on a planet, you don't think that at least 5 million, the percentage is tiny. At least 5 million will be die hard fans of yours if you're truly authentic to yourself. 100%. I mean, dude, how many people watch the WNBA? Maybe 50 million a year. Unique viewers. Have you ever watched a fucking WNBA game in your life?

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Togi]

People will watch anything and they'll consume any product. You just have to be yourself and unique.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. There's a big market for your stuff too. With the gambling content. I feel like you guys get the most engagement I've ever seen.

[Togi]

It's hot right now. I think I was, I was born at a lucky time. Like if I, realistically if I was born 20 years ago, I, I'm would be super poor. Like I was blessed to be in the age where I can do wanted buys, post videos of me getting drunk on the Internet and trade meme coins and make a living off of it. But without that, it would be. Oh, it's a. It's a scary thought. And I've thought about it a lot, and I like to give myself credit of being like an ambitious, confident young man.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

If I did not have the tools that we were blessed with, I'd be in a bad.

[Podcast Host]

It is a good time. Yeah. There weren't even pods 20 years ago.

[Togi]

I mean, what do you think you'd be doing if there is. You got this podcast, but if you couldn't podcast, couldn't. There wasn't the Internet or it wasn't hot like this.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, you wouldn't be able to make.

[Togi]

I could see you, like, writing a book, but how do you even get a book being popular?

[Podcast Host]

I failed writing in college. I'd be trash at that. I don't know what I do. I'd probably try to be an NBA player. Who knows?

[Togi]

Oh, I guess you're. How tall are you?

[Podcast Host]

Six. Six.

[Togi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

But now that's the average height of NBA players.

[Togi]

Back then you'd be a beast.

[Podcast Host]

Back then, I'd be Yao Ming.

[Togi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I don't know. Internet's changed the world. It's made got opportunities for guys like us, right?

[Togi]

Yeah. And it's made it. Well, I don't know how much money you make, but not as much. You probably make as much money as, like, NBA players now. Well, people look at the superstar contracts. I think the average pay for NBA players, like 400,000.

[Podcast Host]

That's it.

[Togi]

That's what I'm saying. And you say that's it, bro. But to most people, 400,000 is a lot. But the Internet money has given regular kids, dudes, the chance and opportunity to go Hollywood. Like, you have 11 million followers. That's. You're more famous than, like, Hollywood actors. And that used to be like the highest echelons.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

The word. A word is appropriate.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[Togi]

But either way, the point being is that we've been blessed with the opportunities. And that's a good point for the viewers, is that you can absolutely perform at a level higher than doctors just by picking using it. You don't have to be famous. You don't have to go on social media. But Internet money allows anybody, no matter how. I mean, I guess on paper I'm 79. I think I'm higher. But on paper, I'm 79. I'm no different than you. I'm like the most regular college kid ever. And I'm performing at a pretty high level in comparison. Like more than doctors or whatever. So anyone, anyone can do it.

[Podcast Host]

I remember when I was a kid growing up, if you wanted to become a doctor, that was like the peak. Yeah, that was like you're like goaded if you're a doctor.

[Togi]

And my grandpa, he is like super Chinese. Oh yeah, Barely speaks English. Like classic strict. Oh, go to school, be a doctor. So he wants me to get. Wanted me to get my PhD was really on my ass. Especially when I dropped out. Like, you got to go back up. And then eight months ago I told him how much money I was making. He's like, oh dude, fudge that all our grandchildren should drop out. Dr. Is like, you're making more than a doctor. Like in sometimes days you make a dollar salary. Doctor salary. So I think the culture is definitely shifting.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, my mom was Chinese too. She was tough on me for academic Chinese. Yeah, half Chinese.

[Togi]

Oh shit.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know.

[Togi]

You threw me off.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

Also this of.

[Podcast Host]

That's not Chinese at all. Yeah.

[Togi]

Is your dad super tall or what?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, my dad was six. Six. He's full Irish. So half white, half Chinese. Have you been to China?

[Togi]

Yeah, I visited my grandparents, like home village. And I do not like China. Like I respect it. And I know I'm supposed to be opps with Japan, I guess that's. I don't know the history behind it, but south park makes it seem as if we got beef. But Japan's way sicker. Like China is kind of dirty and like.

It'S not as people are not quite as pleasant in China as they are Japan. And it's just. I hate Chinese food. Really not into dog. It's. Yeah, they eat weird shit out there, dude.

[Podcast Host]

They do.

[Togi]

The culture is cool though. Like I can respect it from afar.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I like Japanese food more though. It's not even close.

[Togi]

Yeah, 100%.

[Podcast Host]

Like sushi and curry or whatever.

[Togi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that slaps. Curry is. I thought that was Indian.

[Podcast Host]

There's multiple types.

[Togi]

Oh yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Japanese curry is lighter. Indian curry is heavy, man.

[Togi]

I've only had the Indian. I like Indian curry.

[Podcast Host]

What happened with Myron? You said you had some beef with Myron from Fresh and Fit?

[Togi]

Yeah, bro, when I wasn't popping like small creator. A few hundred thousand followers. I DM them. Can I go on a podcast? Because I was really red pilled at the time. I thought that she was sick. I think he's gay as fuck now. I think it's the gayest shit ever. Thinking I think the Red pill guys are like full scumbags of the Internet, taking advantage of insecure men to buy your course. And it's equivalent of selling a course on teaching people how to make money. Like.

Give me money in exchange for, in my opinion, a useless service. But either way, I DM my room and their podcast, and I said, can I go on? Like, oh, yeah, we got this segment for you. And I was trying to figure out my scheduling. I didn't respond for, like, three days. And I don't know exactly why they blocked me. Everybody blocks me at the exact same time. And I think it's because they thought they were hot shit, took too long to whatever, respond. And then I start popping again. And since they already blocked me or whatever, I was actually, I was at the gym and like, one of their, like, representatives, like, comes up to me in Miami, say, hey, I'm with Fish and Fit. Like, we love your stuff. Do you want to come on? It's like, oh, now I'm popping. You want to have me on your fucking podcast even though you thought you were too good for me back when I was a little bit smaller. And then I think I tweeted something about it. Myron made a whole YouTube video or something. I. I didn't watch the whole thing, but he is just talking about how I'm a retard. He's like, all right, dude, I'm sorry, dad, I'm not so smart. I. I am not arguing that. I'm very smart at all. I'm just trying to have fun, live my life. And he's got this whole, like, he likes to try and use me as a bad example. And then I skipped halfway through the video, and he was all of a sudden talking about how his course or whatever, how he's trying to teach young men to, like, young famous guys. Don't get it. The struggle of whatever. And I was like, dude, I wasn't famous a year ago and I was still 21. Like, he's trying to. He make it seem like I can't relate to the average man because I have it now, and I don't know. He. I. I don't care for them.

[Podcast Host]

Would you ever launch a course?

[Togi]

No, I would never launch a course, even though I do think I have really valuable information. Specifically, I am 100 sure I can make any person go viral in six months. I. Well, dude, I used to. And I'll stand on that business, like, 100 of the time. No one put in, like, people don't put in hours like I have. And I can say that confidently because I used to be. Once I found out that no one was gonna save me but me, I was literally skipping. Like, I would. There'd be a party at my frat, and I'd be in the basement watching Jake Paul videos, taking notes. Not because I like Jake Paul, but because I wanted to figure out, why is Bryce hall so viral? Why is Jake Paul so viral? What's different about these guys? And I fully cracked the algorithm. It's the same as a Rubik's Cube. It's very complicated. When you're looking at it, you're looking at a Rubik's Cube and, like, this is impossible. But then you look at the fucking next to you, and he's like, solving it super fast. It's like that analogy made me realize that it cannot be that hard. Like, if those. Some people have and I have not, and these people are not very intelligent. Like, you can think of a billion influencers, it's like, you're a fucking idiot. But he has and I have not. There's no reason that I like. Well, there. Either I am chronically uncapable and less lucky than every influencer ever, or I have not tried hard enough. So I spent a ton of time trying to crack the algorithm. Now I am 100% sure I could make every Tik Tok go viral. Every person. If I had.

Four hours to evaluate them and talk to them and go through everything they could, they could be viral.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. You got the formula.

[Togi]

I think.

[Podcast Host]

What was the first video for you that popped off? You remember it?

[Togi]

Yeah, it was me making. So I used to do. I'll show you an example. I used to do videos of me taking steroids on the Internet because.

They were hot. So I actually took steroids in the pursuit of being famous. So it's like this kind of thing, like me working out and then me taking steroids. Yeah. And then. So this is. A lot of people don't know this part about me, because this is. But this is when I first went. I mean, look at the views on these videos. Like, everything.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Togi]

Every time. Like, no TikTok I ever posted did less than five mil.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Togi]

I wanted something at the time that people had a large audience of supporters, something with shock value and a large audience of haters. And it was the perfect, perfect formula for going viral every time. So the first time I went viral was one of the gear edits. And then I. Because I started off as a fitness influencer, that was my whole thing. I was like, the devil of the fitness community because I would talk about how awesome steroids are all the time. The steroids are awesome in my opinion. But I was definitely like glorifying it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

For the shock value and people would be making people that were popping in the fitness industry. No one ever talked about how steroids were cool before except for Rich Piano. But he passed away. But so he's pre tick tock. No one in the TikTok area talked era talked about how cool steroids are. And I got a lot of people that were more famous than me angry. Like I had 50,000 followers. But I would have people with a million followers making fun of me, making videos on me because that's the first time they've usually people, if you have less clout than them, they don't bat an eye. But they were genuinely angry about it. So they're making videos and it really, it took what I think I did. I mean I had my first million followers and maybe like three months because it was just perfect. The perfect storm for the algorithm. But I've, I've stopped doing that. I don't even. Like I said I work out three times a month now and I've detached. That's my core is fitness. But I'm not so into being like it's not super healthy to be 3, 2:30 for my build at least I'm a skinnier guy. But it's not good for your heart to pump blood. But your heart can't especially like you go from 170 to 252 30, whatever. Then in six months your heart is. Doesn't grow like that.

[Podcast Host]

You put on £80 in six months.

[Togi]

It was closer to.

Maybe nine months.

[Podcast Host]

That's still crazy though.

[Togi]

There's a lot of steroids is taking like nobody you couldn't do that other like a ton of like I, I took as many steroids as like Chris Bumstead, the best bodybuilders in the world. And that's where I got a lot of hate too. Because I tell people exactly what steroids I was doing and they'd be like, dude, you know you're taking as much as open body. Like These guys are £300 jack. And it's like, yeah, sounds like fun though. So I, that's how I was able to make such a crazy project.

[Podcast Host]

Did you feel any burnout or side effects from that?

[Togi]

Externally, no. Internally, like if you look at my blood work at the time, it was like blood pressure through the roof. Liver not functioning how it's supposed to. Kidneys out.

[Podcast Host]

Well you were drinking too, though, right?

[Togi]

Drinking and doing a lot, a lot of drugs. Like the, the hard drugs is the biggest problem when you're taking so many pill. Your kidneys can't process your thick blood, your heart going a million miles an hour from stimulants. Like, that was horrible. For my life. I'm trying. Well, I am. I don't even take steroids anymore. I'm fully moved away from that.

Journey because I thought I was invincible. And then. I don't know if you saw, but I overdosed, had to go to the hospital, and then I thought I was gonna die. So that was when I, like, woke up.

[Podcast Host]

Steroids?

[Togi]

No, at the time it was. I took.

A gram and a half of Adderall and I was doing cocaine and Xanax that night. And there was. And somewhere in that mix there was meth in my blood work. So I wasn't doing meth on purpose, but somewhere. It was just all too much. And so I thought I was gonna die that night. And that's when I realized I wasn't invincible. And so now I've since, like, toned it back, toned it back 90%.

[Podcast Host]

Well, the formula works. You're still viral. It reminds me of Steve because he came on the scene just pounding alcohol, and everyone was like, what the fuck is this? Like, everyone was hating on him. You're going to kill yourself. And now he's just viral still?

[Togi]

Yeah, exactly. Every. A lot of people loved it because it's like, whoa, that's awesome. He's funny, he's entertaining. And a lot of people hated it. Most viral man on the Internet for years. So, like, there's. Even though people seem like idiots, there's a lot of method behind the madness of going viral. A lot of people think about it more than you think. That's why a lot of people think it's luck.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

Oh, he's about this and that. A lot of people are really conscious of exactly what they're doing.

[Podcast Host]

It's not luck to maintain it. I think some people, like hawk to a girl can get lucky initially, but if you want to maintain it, there's some skill there.

[Togi]

Well, I talk about the hawk to a girl a lot because a lot of people get jealous of her. But you shouldn't be looking at what others have to what others have, because you never know if you're successful on borrowed effort. You haven't prepared yourself for your. You haven't gone through the trials to be ready for, like, the real fame, the real whatever, success. Like, I. I thought I was the. When I made 900k as 18, that was borrowed effort. That was luck. I didn't put in the sweat equity to deserve what I had. And the universe took it away from me because I, I wasn't deserving of it. So Hawk tua, everyone for two months thinks she's the coolest ever. Not the coolest necessarily, but how. Why does she have that and I don't? She didn't deserve that. She just said spit on a thing, whatever, and then three months later she does a cryptocurrency scam. It's. I highly doubt it was her fault. I don't think she knew what. She didn't even know what was going on. Yeah, I think the people just took advantage of her. But that's exactly the problem. She didn't have the proper management because it was too fast. She wasn't ready, she wasn't educated on what was going on. And then the universe took it down and now nobody, everyone thought she was the luckiest. And now nobody would ever trade their life for haktuas.

[Podcast Host]

So.

[Togi]

I, I tell people, if your life is shitty now, that's amazing because your trials are preparing you for the success that you will see. If you're showing up every day, even though your life is shitty, you're still, you know where you're headed and when you are successful, it will be real success. It won't be hawked to a success.

[Podcast Host]

Agreed? Yeah. That overnight success is dangerous, man.

[Togi]

And it's shitty because she didn't ask for it. Like a lot of people hate on her. I feel bad for her because she didn't ask for it, she was viral and now she's got this huge storm shit. So I'm rooting for her and I. She just went through a ton of bullshit and that's a trial preparing her for her success. So one day she's going to be back with real success, whether people like it or not. And I'm excited to see what she does with it.

[Podcast Host]

Agreed. Has a success ever gone to your head recently like you just went crazy from it?

[Togi]

No, I. Sometimes I come off like mildly egotistical. I try not to. But the thing is I always was very, like very confident in where I was going and what I'm doing. I just couldn't speak on it because like I was talking about earlier, I could make anyone go viral. A lot of people are going to see that. Make this kid, he's just ego, huge, whatever. But I always felt that way, especially because I knew the work I was putting in, and I knew that it can't be that hard. I'm putting in the work. It has to work. It's going to work.

But I didn't speak on it because the proof of concept wasn't there. Like, I. How am I going to go on the Internet? I'm going to be so fudgeing famous. I got 20,000 followers. But now that I have the attention that I had manifested for myself, it feels like I'm more willing to talk about it openly.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And now with the Clippers these days, you can. You can make anyone go viral if.

[Togi]

You got the right dude. I saw a guy on your podcast, probably an unpleasant amount of time talking about how he put meat and honey on his arm. And I was like, dude, shut the up. But I watch. Saw that video 90 times. I don't. Was he famous before that? No, wasn't famous. He just did more video views than I did last month. And he's not famous at all. Just because the clippers, they go insane.

[Podcast Host]

They go hard, man.

[Togi]

And that's. Yeah, that. It's kind of Andrew Tate, really. He put that on the map.

[Podcast Host]

When he came on, I told him.

[Togi]

He copied his method. And now every fitness influencer dms my clippers. Okay. Will you clip me? Like, it's the method. It's. And it's. Well, I mean, I put out Today, I did 90 posts.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Togi]

And I just woke up. It's so much more for your effort. And I come on this podcast, we'll probably do, like, whatever.

[Podcast Host]

This will make a lot of views.

[Togi]

50, 100 million views. And it just took. Took a few hours. It's great.

[Podcast Host]

Crazy, right? Yeah. I'm a probably around 50 million views to this. You know, I mean, we got the discord going. We got 800 clippers in there, dude. It's nice.

[Togi]

You have 800 clips.

[Podcast Host]

800.

[Togi]

Dude, I just got 20 Indians. I'll take over the world, I swear. 20 Indians.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you have a different method. So I pay mine per million views.

[Togi]

Yeah. So my clippers, I don't even want to put the world on this game too hard. It's like almost. I'm so proud of it that you're.

[Podcast Host]

Probably spending way less than me then.

[Togi]

I treat them like business partners because that's what they are to me, and they're very important to my brand. So I pay them much more than the average clipper. But the method, that a lot of people just try and find generic clippers because they don't really know exactly, like, just Whatever. Anyone want to clip for me? Clip for me, a dm, a bunch of random clipping accounts. But what I, I decided to do is I want fans to clear for me. I want kids that are people that are super. They're gonna enjoy clipping for me. They're already loyal to me. And if somebody's clipping as a job, it's like harder work for them. But if they're clipping for fun and they already love my shit, they just watching my content and they have a similar sense of humor as me. So I found 20 people that already were like, really big fans of what I'm doing and my content. And then I reach out to them and was like, oh, like we can do this clipping thing. And it kind of was a learning curve of I have to, you know, because some of them weren't like, didn't have the original skill set. So that's the battle you're going against. And so longer you're getting skilled clippers if you go whatever the route of hiring already professionals. But I mean, one kid I had, he was a fan. He had 80 followers. Since hiring him, he's done, I think, 600 million views. So it doesn't like, you can learn. And once now these people were a team rather than me being their boss. So it's a much more fluid clipping experience.

[Podcast Host]

That's cool. Yeah. These days when you're a streamer, you almost need a clipping team to make it.

[Togi]

Oh, 100%. Especially with the streams. Because I. Even when I'm going through my video, like, if I'm trying to find clips and edit, I can't watch myself gamble for 20 hours. I'll sit there for four hours straight and not say a word. I'm just like clicking Plinko balls. So it's just. You need. You need clippers.

[Podcast Host]

So you used to do your own edits, huh?

[Togi]

Yeah, I used to do everything. Oh, until the clippers. I would do 100 of my content myself. But it's just so much harder to get the. I don't even post clips on my account because it's just anymore. I used to, but it's so, like I said 90 posts today. Whereas if I was doing it on my own, every time I post, it probably takes like three hours to make it the most, like, experienced. I'm like, weirdly picky about how it gets edited. So.

That was. And I still edit all my movies myself, which takes like the Last1 took 200 hours to edit, which I should fix.

[Podcast Host]

But, dude, your Videos are long. I was gonna say you might have the longest videos on YouTube for like a big creator.

[Togi]

Yeah, I don't. I just like it because it's different.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they're like two hours on average, right?

[Togi]

Yeah, the last one was six hours, so I had to split it up and I wrote to 10 million was.

I think like 200 hours of raw footage. And then I had to chop it down and end up being like six hours.

[Podcast Host]

So that's insane, dude.

[Togi]

Yeah, I, I just like, I think it's cool having like a. More of like a movie instead of a short. It's easier to get the full picture and the full story in one movie rather than tiny episodes of my life.

[Podcast Host]

You also build a tighter bond with your audience.

[Togi]

That's what I'm thinking, dude. If somebody will watch me for two hours straight, they're. They're a fan. Like, they're genuinely like me. Whereas it's a lot easier to get like, like Tick Tock. People aren't even real, in my opinion. It's him. You could have 10 million followers on Tick Tock and not be able to sell a thousand units.

[Podcast Host]

You won't get recognized on the street with 10 million.

[Togi]

Yeah, not at all. It's very Tick Tock people are not real at all. Whereas YouTube. I get recognized all like a ton because these people are like genuine fans. Fan enough where they'll come, they'll make a purchase or they'll come up and say hi to me. So that's the biggest thing. Like a lot of people ask about going brawl. You need to put out. A lot of people are afraid of talking on the camera. You have to talk and you have to put out contact content. That's you. A lot of people try and be the next Toby, try and be the next Andrew Tate. So they say content like that. You'll never be better at Andrew Tate than Andrew Tate. You'll never be better at Toby than Togi. And no one will be better at you than you. So you. The best way to make money is be a hundred percent authentic to yourself, talk to the camera. Don't worry about what anyone has to think because at the end of the day, they're not going to get the last laugh. I tell a lot of people that, that I'm giving advice to. Like, how do you get over being so self conscious? I see, like, all my high school friends are going to make fun of me. All my college friends, they think I'm a fucking dork for trying to be famous or whatever. They laugh now, but they never get the last laugh. Everyone used to make fun of me, and now everybody is texting me, wanting something from me. All my old friends in the frat, I used to get a ton of from it. I was like the laughing stock of the fraternity, but now I'm laughing, driving home in my Lamborghini, and they want a job for me. Right.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. So you're a big frat bro, huh?

[Togi]

Yeah, I was in a fry. I did the whole. I was the most regular frat dude ever, and I still am. Like, at heart, I'm a frat bro. I love that. I love the fraternity culture. I think it's so much fun. You create such a great bond with the people. So I'm actually going back out there right after this in about a few days. I'm going to my old friend and we're gonna party.

[Podcast Host]

You gonna film it like Nick Nair Sr. Does with his frat parties?

[Togi]

No, no, that's his. His game. I don't like copying people. Not necessarily copying people, but I don't. I just don't enjoy filming. And when I'm partying and out, sometimes I do it because it's good content, but, like, it's kind of the only time I get a breath of fresh air because my. There's cameras in my face so much that my. One of my best friends is graduating this weekend. It's like, how about we just don't bring the cameras and we have a good weekend?

[Podcast Host]

I love that. Yeah, because you're filming all freaking day 24 7.

[Togi]

It's. Well, not 24 7, but it's. I'm filming more often than I'm not filming. And it's really nice to be able to just like, get faced without having to feel like I'm working still.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Where's your favorite spot out here to hit the club at or party?

[Togi]

Oh, I don't go out here. I just gamble.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

Yeah. If I'm partying, I'm in.

Either L. A or Bozeman or Boulder where they take. I have my college friends.

[Podcast Host]

L. A just got voted the worst nightlife in.

[Togi]

Oh, really? Yeah, it's not very good out there. I prefer everyone likes to everyone. The dream is like, oh, I want to go to Miami and go to live and drop 15 on a table. That shit sucks. Going to a frat party or, like, a house party or a regular, like, local bar. I have so much more fun. You can have conversations with people and you get to fudge around. Whereas if you're an Expensive club. It just like music's really loud and everyone's dancing and the lights are really dark. You can't really talk to people. And then you just like. The most exciting part is getting the bottle. Like it's. Sometimes it's a cool experience, but it's not genuine fun to me.

[Podcast Host]

I'm with you. I prefer house party over club all.

[Togi]

Day because I like talking to people. I don't want to dance. I want to talk. So I guess that's where we. Where we differ from other people is a lot of people like just not say anything and just like dancing all night.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. They're trying to dance and get laid or whatever.

[Togi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I'm just trying to have a conversation, man.

[Togi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host]

Different strokes for different folks. Well, what's next for you out here, man? Are you gambling tonight?

[Togi]

Yeah, tonight. You know who TJR Trades is?

[Podcast Host]

I do.

[Togi]

He. I made. I didn't make him lose money, but we. We gambled for the first time. He's never gambled before really in a casino. And we lost some money. So we're gonna try and win it back tonight and then tomorrow night gambling Steve will do it and then hopefully we. I don't know. I would like to make. Just if I make a hundred thousand, this trip would be great. So I just need to net 300,000 over the next two nights and then I'm out of here.

[Podcast Host]

Do you prefer the in person gambling or the. The online?

[Togi]

Online is more fun, more stimulating. But only if you're with friends. Like, because sometimes I'll be on stream. I'm alone. Our 18 of gambling. And it's very depressing. Like that's some of the most depressing things you can do is spending wanted buys on day three bender by yourself in your room. That sucks. When you're with friends, it's a very exciting experience. So that's online is the best. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's rare.

[Togi]

The slots are the better odds online because the competition's a lot tighter and they don't have as much overhead. So you just use one provider. And the RTP is like up to 97 and a half percent. Whereas in Vegas, I don't know the exact RTP, but I guarantee it's nowhere close to that. Nowhere close.

[Podcast Host]

It's probably like 93. Yeah.

[Togi]

Which to people that don't gamble 93% RTP is like you're losing every time. It's horrible.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. 97. Five on slots.

[Togi]

That's, that's, that's like the best of the best. Average would be like 97, and it goes down. Lowest I've ever seen is 96.

[Podcast Host]

Have you ever made money on slots in person?

[Togi]

Last time I was here, I actually made 30k and huffing more puff.

[Podcast Host]

No way.

[Togi]

That was awesome. Like, that doesn't normally happen.

[Podcast Host]

There's some, like, autistic people that figured out, like, what machines to play. Have you heard of this?

[Togi]

Oh, the. I forget what it's. It's like jackpot maxing or something. Like when a slot has not paid long enough on the jackpot because the progressive jackpots, then all of a sudden you have technically a positive RTP as far as bet to jackpot. But I don't understand how they know how to calculate the RTP if we have no idea what the odds of, like, said jackpot is. Like online slots, you just look it out. What are the odds of the jackpot? You can find your exact RTP to jackpot, whereas Vegas. I don't know if you can find that out. I've never hunted it down too hard because I just assume it's impossible to find. But it sounds like if you have a big enough bankroll, you can be a profitable slot player. And you have to be, like, really autistic.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Togi]

Really crunch.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You got to be obsessed with it. Are you banned from any casinos out here?

[Togi]

No, I'm not sharp. I'm welcome with open arms. I'm usually asking the dealer what I do on most plays. I've never counted cards. I don't even know how to count cards. Because I'm here to have fun, dude. I'm here to. The only reason they wouldn't like me is because I get really drunk and I start yelling. Not in a bad way, like an excitement, or I'm just loud and whatever. So that's, like, sometimes annoying, but one of the least. Sure. I tip well. Not sharp, the I. And have a ton of money. Ideal customer, actually, for.

[Podcast Host]

You're their dream customer.

[Togi]

Yeah, exactly. That's why they treat me so good.

[Podcast Host]

Have you gambled with Mickey Mace yet?

[Togi]

No, I. Nah. Yeah, I haven't.

[Podcast Host]

What do you think that would end up in?

[Togi]

We. I mean, we're both.

I don't know. I would see us winning money.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Yeah. I never know with him. I hear mixed things. But he's cool.

[Togi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. He's been on the show a few times.

[Togi]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Heard some crazy stories.

[Togi]

Yeah. But he's a good storyteller. That's what. That's. He talks about business. Blackjack Bakra. His skill is telling stories. He's 100 credible storyteller. I want to practice that. But a big problem I have run into is he's pretty sober these days. I. Somebody asked me on a podcast yesterday to describe what my biggest win ever felt like. But I didn't remember it because I was so inebriated that I didn't even know it happened until I watched the footage back. So I'm horrible at selling tours mostly because I don't remember a lot of things I do. Which is why I stopped taking Xanax is because a lot of the coolest I did over the last year. It's like I saw it, I never lived it.

[Podcast Host]

Xanax is a memory wiper I used to take.

[Togi]

Yeah.

It benefited my career in a sense that I could do like really crazy shit and people, what is wrong with this kid? But in the sense of my well being and just overall happiness, it's been the biggest setback. So I've cut that out entirely.

[Podcast Host]

It destroys your emotions too.

[Togi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like that must have fucked up your dating life and personal friendships too, right?

[Togi]

I guess I made it out with my friends, like live still here. I still got my core like seven friends. But it's. It's a horrible, horrible drug.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that one. That's the one I never recommend people to, to get on Xanax.

[Togi]

There's a lot of drugs that I do that I don't necessarily recommend that I do a lot and enjoy. But like really like Ketamine, Percocet are also horrible. Like most drugs have as much fallout as they say. Like a lot of people are like, oh, that couldn't be me. It's not as bad as you can't imagine. But like, the only one that I have found has a genuine positive ROI are stimulants. But then I don't yet know the effect it's had on my heart. I'm getting an MRI soon on my heart to see exactly. It's just because I'm curious and I want to like work towards being a healthier person. But every drug I've ever taken, positive roi. I would see, say cocaine and alcohol. Everything else is kind of negative.

[Podcast Host]

What about mushrooms?

[Togi]

I don't get everyone's. Like, it gives me a spiritual awakening and like they're natural and it makes you smarter or whatever, like reconnects in your brain. So I've never. I just get high as shit and then the next day, like it's the same as acid for me. I'm just tripping balls and then I wake up the next day. And when I was doing a lot of acid, I'm very anti psychedelic because when I was doing a lot of acid, I thought I had the third eye. I thought I was so smart. I thought I was better than everyone. I'm awakened. I know the keys to the universe. I was a crazy person. And you look at any person, you logically look at any person that does a lot of psychedelics, they're crazy people. None of this is reality. That doesn't even make fucking sense. I guess as long as they're happy, they're happy. But I think psychedelics are the worst drug as far as being successful in the real world and your little imaginary dream world of mushrooms and acid. And maybe you're having fun and happy, but your magic dream world isn't retiring your mother and isn't paying the bills. So I would say weed, acid, mushrooms, like, I would never recommend. It seems like a lot of successful people recommend mushrooms. So clearly my opinion might be wrong on the mushrooms.

[Podcast Host]

Well, they recommend microdosing it.

[Togi]

Oh, is that what it is?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, there's a difference. Like, you're talking about full trips. Yeah, I've seen acid fuck people up for life. Yeah, Like, I'm not even kidding. They're never the same.

[Togi]

I feel this is interesting. Acid is meant for children, and this is a very genuine thought that I have. Adults taking acid, it doesn't interact with your brain the same as it does. Did you ever take acid as like a kid? Teenagers, old.

[Podcast Host]

I was like 18, 19, I would.

[Togi]

Say the ages 14 to 17. There's something very special where acid interacts with the brain very positively. But as an adult, it just is a negative. I would say a negative roi. But as a kid, obviously I'm not going to tell my kid to do acid, but I think it's a genuinely beneficial experience as a kid. Just how it interacts with the youthful brain. But as an adult, it's just unproductive.

[Podcast Host]

Well, I just feel like at those ages there's no stress. So, like, I could smoke weed every day at those ages and not have a panic attack. If I smoke weed right now, I'm collapsing on the floor, like.

[Togi]

And then it's, oh, my God, weed makes me so paranoid. And then you have so much shit you got to do, but you can't think straight to do it. It makes you lazy. It makes you happy not doing anything. And the next day you're like, I just jacked off four times, watched Rick and Morty and ate like 10,000 calories. So weed, I think, is. It's deceivingly enjoyable because you can take it every day and still do just enough to get by. And a lot of people think it makes you more creative.

But that's just because they're not willing to do.

Nothing. Like, in order to spark creativity, you need to spend time with your thoughts and you need to just, like, stare at. I've been looking at this thing a lot, and it's very like, you just need to stare and let yourself think. A lot of people wouldn't be willing to stare at that rock for five minutes unless they're baked as shit. So it forces them into a state of meditation, so they think they're being more creative. But really what's happening is you're being forced into a subpar state of meditation, which is a higher level of thinking than no meditation. But the best meditation is obviously sober thinking.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, absolutely, man. Anything else you want to close off with? That was fun.

[Togi]

Let me think. No, dude, thank you so much for having me on. That was incredible. I really appreciate you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, check him out, guys. We'll link his stuff below. See you next time.