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Garrett J. White: The Truth About Masculinity, Marriage & Success | DSH #1999
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🔥 From Lies to Truth: The Wake Up Warrior Revolution w/ Garrett J. White! 🚀 In this episode, we sit down with Garrett J. White, founder of Wake Up Warrior, to break down the real struggles men face today, from marriage and business to personal...
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Warrior, as a process, became a commitment to helping guys shift from lying to living. Guys will lie about how much money they want. They'll lie about the situation with their kids, and they just lie. So the first wave is, how do you get guys to tell the truth? How do you know what to believe and what not to believe?
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Yeah, there's a lot of information these days. That's a good question. I mean, just a lot of bullshit, too.
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Like, how do you know? Like, if you want on social media, go on TikTok, go on Instagram, you go on YouTube, any news outlet. How do you know when you're reading bullshit or you're not reading bullshit? How do you know if your beliefs are right or they're wrong? How do we even know what truth is? So we stripped away the word truth because it was just all over the place. We just said, what are the facts?
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B
All right, guys, Garrett J. White here from Wake Up Warrior. We are in Las Vegas. This man's about to speak in front of 5,000 people. Thanks for coming on.
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A
Appreciate it, man. I'm excited to be here.
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B
Yeah, we've been talking for a while trying to set this up.
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A
Yeah, I know. It's been a minute. We was in California and then moved to Miami, and now we're in ve. Here we go.
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B
Yeah. You're doing God's work, helping these men out, man.
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A
Going a big way. Appreciate it.
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B
What are some common issues you're seeing with these young, young men these days?
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A
Well, here. I mean, dude, well, you got the young men issues, and then you got the old men issues, right? These are two different issues, but they're all brewing in a very similar fashion. The genesis of all of it is lying. So, like, no matter how you look at it, like, the young guys in the 20s are facing situations we don't have none of us in our 40s and 50s faced. And then you have situations that we're facing as a consequence of the way we were raised that are now trying to heal. So, like, it's like, how do you get the young men who see truth actually better than old men? Like social media and digital. The digital world has created an ability for my kids to debate shit with me. Like we could. You can debate shit because you guys have access to all this. I mean, you got ChatGPT. You've got all the social media. My kids keep me more updated on politics, and I can't even keep myself updated on politics from TikTok. I don't know how groundworthy that content is. What did we had, we had the Encyclopedia Britannica and none of us fucking read. So like we weren't going to read the encyclopedia. We knew our world at that time was like this really small singular thing. So whatever mom and dad said and what you knew in your neighborhood and what you knew at your school, that was it. We didn't even know people at other schools. The idea of traveling, the idea that other dudes were rich, you didn't have point of view. We had nothing. We were poor, we grew up with other poor kids. We went to the same school. We didn't see anything else, we didn't have anything to cross reference it against. You guys get to see all the young dudes with Bugattis and Ferraris and all the money and the wealth and the possibility. So it's a blessing for the young men because they get to see this possibility. We never could see. We had no possibility. It's just who you knew. That's why there's so many more wealthy young people than there were when we grew up. Technology's allowed that, but also just the perspective. The older guys though are fucked in a different way. So the fuck over here is, is that nothing's ever good enough for the young guys and everybody thinks they should have all the shit. Right now I'm 25, I should drive Ferraris and Lamborghinis because I saw 25 guys around the world who are doing this. That is not the experience of 99% of young men, but they all feel like they should. The boys are also trapped there because these women their age are now dating guys my age. So they're trapped in a dating chaotic place too, because like, well, how do I deal with this over here? Because most of the girls my age are hanging out with guys that are two decades older than me. And let's phrase it, a 28 year old guy is not going to compete with a 52 year old who's bankrolling hundreds of millions of dollars. There's no competition. It's the wisdom, the experience, the patience. This guy, the young guy's going to be triggered as shit. Young stallion. And the old guy's like, hey bro, I've already played this game. This girl's fun. They don't react to the same shit with these young girls. So you're seeing this weird thing unfold. But our focus has really been trying to help married dudes. Although the principles of worries way work for all guys. It's how do you help a married guy who has been married for 20 years, 15 years, he's got two, three, four kids. He's running a business. He has a wife, he has kids. He's entered what we call the trifecta of insanity. And it's tough because the kids today, trying to raise children today is insane because it's totally different. Any counselor our parents gave us out the window. My mom's 74. Her counselors just take their phones away, like. Yeah. And then you're triggering anxiety in my wife because now she can't get a hold of her kids and she don't know who they were. And then you had this other scenario of the fact that there's no guidance system. Like, what's a guy to do? How is he supposed to lead? He has to make more money. Clear. But he's got to keep his wife interested and seduce and attract his wife. But most of these relationships go dead. So the guy controls the one thing he can control, which is make money. But then the wife feels disconnected, which is why we have the highest cheating and affairs executed by women than has ever existed. 60, 70% of divorces of men over 40 are being filed by women who are leaving their men. It's not dudes who are cheating and leaving most of the scenarios in the last, like, month. Take the guys I've talked to who have been in affairs situations. 90% of them, the woman cheated.
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B
Wow.
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A
And when a dude's cheated on, who's been in a relationship for 20 years, and he's been raising the kids with his wife, and he's been building business, and then his wife cheats because he's working to try to provide, but he doesn't know how to connect. So she fucks the jujitsu instructor or fucks the bull guy or does this thing over here. They're shattered.
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B
Tom Brady.
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Oh, completely. Tom Brady. I mean, you got to ask yourself, what are you letting your wife roll around with a jujitsu instructor? That's probably my wife's right here in the room. I'm not co signing that deal. So it's tough, and it's a challenge we've been facing and something we've been fixing for the last 13 years. And it's working like working in a tremendous way with what we've done. But it all comes back down the same thing. Can you get people to tell the truth? That's it. Can I get you, Sam, to own the full truth of your world? Just what is it now? Your generation likes to talk about truth, and they do it well. They want to expose the lies everywhere. And that's powerful. The question is, once I expose the lies in myself, so most people expose the lies in everyone else, right?
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B
Right.
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Oh, look at Sam. I found this shit out about him. I knew it. Meanwhile, they ignore all the bullshit that's going on in them. That's all social media commenting, just fucking chaos of people. Just projection in its highest form. People are just full of shit, hate their lives miserable with themselves. Here's my purpose. Oh, I'll just persecute Sam because I don't like his hair, I don't like his glasses. When in truth, when I look in the mirror, all I see is a worthless piece of shit that's not doing anything with his life. And so instead of confronting that truth, I'm going to just point it at you. Married guys don't do that. The older dudes, they don't fuck around on social media. They just projected on their wives. So all the pain, all the pressure, they'll be one way in business. Then come home and dump it on her, right? Dump it on the kids. And that's what I did. I didn't know any other way. It's called reactivity. And it's very difficult because you got guys who've been scarred for decades trying to figure this game out. Sexless marriages, horrendously high. Like these are people having these guys married. They've committed to one vagina and they're having sex once every two to three weeks. And when they're having it, it's vaginal masturbation. But dudes are driven by sex, period. Doesn't matter if you're taking tea or not, right? Guys want to have sex, and men who are married want to have sex with their wives. The only problem is, most guys have fucked this up so bad in how they've dealt with their wife that she has shut down and turned off. So then comes the next challenge. These guys get a divorce, and this woman they were with, who was pushing away sex forever, all of a sudden becomes a complete slut. Fucks nine guys in the next two months, goes to the gym, gets fit, and he's looking at me going, what the fuck? All I wanted was to have sex with this woman. I chose her. And now she's down the street having sex with dudes at the bar, going to the fucking club, going to parties with her friends, acting like she's 20 years old and fucking everybody. And that was the truth we revealed at Warrior, which is inside every woman. Every woman, not one exception, is a slut and a stripper. But we look at slut as a bad conversation. It just means a woman that wants to come and have sex, she wants to be sexual. That's the technical definition of being a slut. That's. We just made it such a bad thing. But women want it. My wife and I sat in therapy, like, 2016, and we were at this breaking point with sex and intimacy because I was like, this thing's either going to turn or we're going to be done. Now, my wife came back immediately two years ago, we'll talk about in a second, and confronted me and said, you're either going to ship this way or we're fucking done. But I'd put it online and said, I want sex. And that's a hard part for guys to acknowledge, is like, I want to have sex. As weird as it sounds. Yeah.
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B
They're, like, ashamed to say that, right?
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A
Completely. It feels weird. You're like, so guys will put it off. Like, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter. And if you do that with money, you don't make any money. If you do a sex, you don't have sex. So the first thing I had to come to terms with, okay, sex matters to me. So guys are coming on programs and they're in sexless relationships or shitty sex and it's not happening, or they're being rejected for a decade or like, all right, do you want sex? We're just looking at them like, so I guess I'll just sit. And there's always a pause. I'm like, what are you thinking about? Like, there should be no pause between the fact that it should ask if you want to have sex. You're a guy. God put sensory organ on the tip of your penis that wants to penetrate things feel nice and come. This is natural. This is God driven. We didn't create these penises. I didn't create the sexual desire. I didn't create that. When a woman with nice tits and ass walks by that I all of a sudden think sexual thoughts and I get triggered by it. I didn't create this. I'm not the creator of this body. I just got one. So if he can acknowledge it now, we have a chance to start moving. So I had to acknowledge it. And I confronted it with Danielle and I put our marriage online. I said, if sex doesn't improve and we don't start finding a way for this to be normal and natural, I'm out. So she said, okay, we'll go to therapy. So we went to therapy. We're sitting on the couches and for years I've been saying to my wife, she doesn't want sex. My wife doesn't even want sex because she doesn't even want sex. She didn't want it, she didn't want it. I was projecting all of this prophesying over my wife. And we're sitting in therapy and she shatters my frame. Sign on like eight, nine sessions in. She's on one end of the couch, I'm the other end of the couch. She looks across at the therapist and she says, I want to fuck, I want to have great sex, I want to come, I just don't want to fuck him. And she points to me, I'm like, that's our truth. I'm like, well, what does that mean? How do I restore that for me, if she wants it, she doesn't want it with me. This right here is the dilemma that all men, married men face. These women want to unleash. That's why they can leave the relationship or they can cheat with another guy. And that guy has something she's been looking for, which is he sees her now to his advantage at the gym when he's all jacked and juicy and she's rolling in in her tight pants and she feels seen. This dude doesn't have to deal with her on her period, doesn't have to deal with her and the kids, doesn't have to deal with two decades of bullshit. Nothing. He just gets to be hot six pack guy at the gym who notices her and gives her some attention as she feels seen. So in the end, this decision has to be made and the woman has to be seen. But the woman can't be seen if the man is not seen. You can't see her if you can't see yourself. So warrior as a process became a commitment to helping guys shift from lying to living. How do I make that shift for myself? How do I go from this place of lying about things like sex? Guys will lie about how much money they want, they'll lie about the situation with their kids and they just lie. And so the first wave is how do you get guys to tell the truth? You seem like a pretty honest guy.
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B
Pretty straightforward. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. So what do you find is the path for you? How do you live in truth? How do you find your bearings in a world filled with so much information and noise? How old are you?
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B
27.
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Yeah. You ride on a pocket, you're in that pocket. My son's 25. I hang out with almost always like just late 20 year olds. I lived with late 20 year olds. And I'm a witness to what you guys see. And you do you guys all do fundamentally living more truth than most of the guys over 40. But how do you find your bearings? How do you know what to believe and what not to believe?
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B
Yeah, there's a lot of information these days. That's a good question.
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I mean, just a lot of bullshit, too. Like, how do you know, like, if you want on social media, on TikTok, on Instagram, you go on any news outlet. How do you know when you're reading bullshit or you're not reading bullshit?
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B
Right.
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A
How do you know if your beliefs are right or they're wrong? How do we even know what truth is? So we stripped away the word truth because it was just all over the place. We just said, what are the facts? So facts became our divider. We said, people say truth will set you free. That's the problem, though. What you call true at 27 you will not call true at 37. What you thought was the way at 27 will not be the way at 37, but what you're doing now will get you to 37. And when you're my age, 20 years from now, and you got some kids, the world changes once a baby enters the world. Totally different. So this game of facts became the foundation. How do I build a foundation of facts in my life that allow me to be in a place of my truth? Not the world's truth, just what's my truth?
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B
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A
Which your truth and my truth could.
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B
Be totally different, right?
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A
You see the world one way. You're 27, you see it one way. I'm 48, I see it another way. Both of us can be right at the same time. What everybody gets up on is they say, well, this is how it is. And Sam, you need to see it this way. And you're like, I don't see it that way, bro. I rip 47 podcasts every 45 minutes and this is how I do life. And I'm like, the lesson, how I do it, which way is right. They're both right. So Getting a guy to come into truth and see his facts is like, your facts are what they are. Here's what your body looks like. Take your clothes off and stand in the mirror. What do you see? What are the facts of your behaviors with your body?
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B
Tell you, Andy Elliott does a great job of that.
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He does. And by the way, I went to his, I went into his place in Scottsdale and I was like, let's see how committed he is to this six pack game. There's one fat dude, that's it. And he was dude who had just hired for camera gun. And I asked him, I said, so you're the anomaly here. There's like 150 people on the campus. Everybody was either lean and shredded or jacked and juicy.
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B
Wow.
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Everyone. It was fucking crazy. Everyone. His standards legit. And I said, how did you get on the team, bro? He's like, they gave me six months. He's like, I have to lose all this. I'm 22 pounds down. I have to lose all this or I get fired. I was like, cool, so your body is a place. How do I deal with that? In your 20s, it's one thing after two and a half decades of running businesses and having children and being married, most dudes just give up. My age group, almost 50, it's a fucking bloodbath of fat dudes.
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B
Yeah.
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Just all the casinos around here are filled with dudes in suits and meetings. Every single one of them wearing suits because they're covering up 30 or 35 pounds of body fat. They don't like what they look like, they don't like how they feel. But the world's giving them a hall.
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B
Pass because of money.
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Because of money. How you made money, you're good. Even women will give them a hall pass. Oh, you got, you make money, you're good. But that piece and owning that piece is part of the bigger picture of what we play at Warrior, because your body is part of the big picture of your dominion as a man. How do you discipline your body? How do you deal with your body? Second piece is being like, what is truth for you with God. Can you communicate with God? Not, do you go to church? Not do you read the Bible? Not do you read your worship books? Do you talk to God? And this is the truth of most every guy, 100%. They come in, they may worship God, be deep. Christians may be Jewish, they may be whatever. And they're deep in their faith and they don't talk to God. So we at Warrior found a way through tools Called prayer stacking and Bible stacking to guide men in truth by themselves. Not me talking to them, not me telling them what. I'm going to be God right now. I'm going to tell you what God's saying. Well, God told me to tell you this. No, no, no. Just Sam alone. No one's in the studio. Everybody's gone. And Sam has the ability to put his truth on the altar with God. Here's where the fuck I'm at right now. This is what I'm thinking, right? Wrong or indifferent, happy, sad, angry, pissed off, doesn't matter. Here's what I'm fucking feeling. Here's the truth of where I'm at. Here's the facts of it. Here are the feelings of it. Here's been the focus that got me to this place. And then being able to enter into a sacred place of conversation. Have you ever read the book Conversations with God?
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B
No.
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It's fantastic. A guy named Neil Donald Walsh wrote this book. He has a series of, like, eight or nine of them. First time I read this book was in 2009, after I'd lost everything in banking. And it was the first time I'd ever considered that I could talk to God. Now it would take years. Psychedelic work, meditation therapy, all kinds of work on myself, everyone at Tony's events, all these breakthrough experiences to try to find this pathway to this conversation. The only thing that's changed now is with technology and with what we know. After 70,000 guys in our programs, we know how to get guys there in less than three weeks.
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B
Wow.
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Don't give a fuck who you are, don't care how big you are. I don't care if you're black, white, Asian, Latino. Doesn't matter if in less than three weeks we can get you into a place where you're having daily conversation with God and people say, why? Why does that matter? Who cares? Because the greatest mentor ever, ever existed is God's intuition in you. God's voice in you. Like, how did you even decide to launch your show? How'd that happen?
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B
Something must have planted a seed in me.
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You saw it somewhere. Like, do you remember the day you decided that I'm gonna launch Digital Social Hour and become one of the top podcasters in the game? I mean, you've only been doing this three years. Yeah, it's credible, but there was a genesis for that thought. And that thought didn't come from outside of you. It came from inside of you. Do you remember when it was?
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B
Yeah.
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Was it like a weekend? Were you like, having a moment. Were you on a podcast and you.
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B
Thought it was during my lowest moment, actually.
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A
We're in a dark place.
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B
Yeah.
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What was going on?
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Just no purpose in life. I had a ton of money, but no friends, no family support, and no meaning at the time.
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It's heavy.
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Yeah. Just a ton of cash, and I didn't even know what to do.
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Yeah. We were driving around in golden beach when we moved to Miami, and I took the whole week off for Christmas. And we had. We got this golf cart with, like, six seats on it. My wife thought it was too big, but I was like, no, we're gonna roll the whole crew, and it'll be good. So we can drive to the neighbor and go to the private beach where we live. And we've been doing this for, like, five or six days straight. And I didn't work at all. I didn't do anything. By, like, the sixth day, I was like, if this was my life, I'd shoot myself in less than a month. Like, this is horrible. And people. How's that possible? You have all the cars you want. You have your beautiful wife. You have a beautiful house. You've got all the things. You've got all the impact. You've got all the influence. You've got all these things. You're running big events. You got to influence all these people. And, yeah, for that week, I had a purpose. It was amazing for about four days, which is pouring on my kids and my wife. So guys tell me my only purpose life is supporting my children, My wife or my children, My wife. Liars. It doesn't last.
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B
Yeah, I don't buy that.
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Don't buy it because it's bullshit. And the only people that say it are typically broke dudes who can't make money. It's like somebody coming to you saying, well, I would never. I would never have the cars or the house that you have. And you're like, well, that's because you can't buy them. If you could buy them and told me that, we'd have a total of a conversation. So when you have all of that, darkness comes at the peak. This was what people don't see. They think the darkness is somehow that we get into the pits in life as guys because something's all fucked up, that we are not doing anything right. We can get into a pit when things, like, are bad, but we can be at a peak where you obtained the wealth at, like, 24. And you're like, I've just. I just fucking won the game. Better than 98% of any old dude on the planet. I'm financially free. And here you are at this peak. Free. Free financially. By all strokes of imagination, you should be the fucking guy. But to you, you felt like what?
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Felt like shit. I was sleeping 12 hours a day, waking up groggy, didn't know what to do on a daily basis, honestly.
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And so the default to that when you get to the peak and it starts, the new becomes normal and the normal becomes. We start sedating.
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B
Yep.
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Or we say, okay, I need to get more money. That's the problem. If I get more money or if I get a really hot, super hot girlfriend, then I'll be happy. And then you get that super hot girlfriend with the tits she always wanted and the ass she always wanted, who tells you everything, laughs at all your fucking jokes and thinks you're the greatest thing ever. And guess what? She'll become normal. And then you'll become numb. And then you'll be back to. Or you think you can fuck your way to happy. That's a lot of the young guys now too. And now the old guys.
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B
Yeah, I see that.
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Maybe if I just put my penis in 100 vaginas, I'll be happy. Maybe if I come on five women's faces, I'll feel happy. And it never ends. So this process of happy in our guys lives is about the journey between these two places. Knowing that no matter where you get, there's another place. And the point isn't to get. To have is to be free. But freedom comes with what you do with the podcast, which is you let go. Yeah, you said, here's my life, it's working. And now I'm at this peak, I should be happy. But I'm being honest with myself. I'm not fucking happy. So I've got to. My facts are I have money, I should be happy, but I'm not happy. I don't have family, support, I don't have friends, I don't have a life that I want. This fucking sucks. And you can arrive at that place at every level. Billionaires arrive at that place, they have everything. Beautiful women, cars, everything. And the miserable. Because the same thing purpose of this life is eternal expansion. This podcast puts you into an internal expansion. And guess what? You'll probably get to a point on this podcast. You'd be like, you know what? This podcast, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm burned out doing this many interviews. And then you'll be in another choice, which is like, okay, my way to freedom is to let go. But it's scary.
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B
It is. Yeah. Letting go is scary.
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A
So when you launched this show, you got the idea in the darkness to create it. What was the thing that you saw that pulled you forward?
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B
The conversations felt impactful. You know what I mean? Like, it felt like a lot of value was being created from the conversations. And then I would get messages, and I would get people coming up to me, like, saying I changed their life. And I was like. Like, wow. No business I ever started before this did that. You know what I mean? It was all about myself. It was just selfishness trying to stack dough. But this business is like, yeah, I'm stacking some dough, but I'm also impacting a lot of people.
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A
Yeah, this is the shift. That shift right there. And the fact that you're making this shift in your 20s is ridiculous, because most guys get trapped in this game, and then they wake up in these massive prisons in 40s and 50s. Only now they've got the family, the kids, the wife and the life, and they're sitting in this place going, I fucking hate my life. And now half my life is over. Richard Rohr wrote a book called Falling Upwards. He's a Francian monk in the Catholic Church, very good author. And he writes this concept about how men, when they start to hit their 40s and 50s, will start to enter the stage that you entered in your 20s, which, interestingly enough, it's sliding down. Technology slid it down. That's why you're seeing midlife crisises with young guys in their late 20s. Bro, we couldn't fucking spell our names in our early 20s. We were fucking idiots compared to how smart you guys. We were stupid. The thing we did have is we had Street Savage. We just worked. We didn't have this idea that you should just be retired. No, we just worked. So that was the only way of doing it is just fucking grind. That's why you see so much of the grind, grind, grind from the older dudes, and they're like, what the fuck are you doing? Video game generation. Fucking work. And then you have the young generation over here. Like, I want to feel happy. I don't really want to do that. That's not aligned with my purpose. I don't feel. I don't feel the vibe in this. That's not. That's not Riz at all. Or whatever the fuck the word is my kids are using, period, bet, whatever the hell else my daughter should tell me all the time. And that's healthy. If it's Applied to work. So this conversation with God is what.
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B
Happened to you without me knowing? Yeah, I think you're right.
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And that's how it always happened. We don't even know what's happening. Inspiration from the inside to build something great. A life that's great. A podcast that you're doing all is driven by this thing inside of us. But most of us are looking out here, see, even listening to this show. The show is the show. But the show is there as a trigger to activate things inside of you. That's why you feel such a reward from doing it. It's why I do what I do. If I wanted to just make money, leading men is not the easiest path. Insurance and financial services is my game. I will just sell insurance and sell hair with my wife, tell the world to fuck off and go to parties. That's it. Way more money, way less stress. But guess where I'd end up in the same black bet you were in no sense of purpose because there's no service. And the only way in the second chapter of life to be able to feel that life matters is to begin to give back. It's to serve. Coach, guide, inspire, mentor. That's why there's so many people not getting it. Your fastest path to become the next version of you was to create this. This was all about you. It was about me. And beyond the show or any of the thousands of people, how many been on the show so far?
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B
1400.
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1400 wasn't about them. It was about you. You created a game that we all got to play in to help you.
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B
Wow, that's deep. But you're right, though. It is a form of therapy for.
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Me 100%, because I know what it is to work and talk to that many people, too.
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B
70,000.
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A
You can get to hear their stories and you see their up and their great. And the whole time, guess who's learning? You and who else? You, as the host, have the greatest advantage of anyone on the show because every day you get to have people who have done some up a bunch of roll in here with you, and you get to hear wisdom poured out as you're taking notes on your pages. It's beautiful. This is what happened to me. My life got better because I got to look into the lives of 70,000 men. Next week, almost 100 of my top guys will roll into Miami. I get to see into their businesses, into their marriages, into their children's lives, into their money, into their spirituality, into their body. I get to see into the world and I see how they're fucking it up. Once you see it so much, you start to see patterns. Just like mass data gives us patterns, algorithms are patterns. We see patterns in what's happening, the universe. A perfect pattern. Doing podcasts of rhythm, a pattern. You found your rhythm in a big way after 1400 shows. To have this many variety of topics, this variety of people. It's not like you're down one niche of people like you. I went and checked out a whole bunch of it. Dude, you fuck up people all over the goddamn map doing shows here. And yet somehow you have put yourself at the source core of an epicenter that draws in men like me to your world to deliver gifts no different than wise men coming to Jesus. Here's your gift, here's the wisdom. Now take that wisdom. Share with the world. You're more significant than all of us in your kingdom. I just stepped into your kingdom. You are the king of this place. I'm just a visitor from kingdom Warrior saying, great job.
- [29:20]
B
Wow, what a mindset. You really are good at putting your ego to the side. If that's impressive, man, it's because you're doing bigger things than me, like on paper, like revenue wise and everything. But you're saying this to me. It's impressive to me.
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A
Well, you got to look at your age. My guy, this is what I tried to tell my son. He's 25 and he has the pressure on him of trying to be me now. But if you compare, you take Grant Cardone, all the big dudes you got on here, take all Those dudes at 27. Fuck off. None of us were doing shit like you are. Jesus said something. People miss it. He's talking to his bosses. He's like, listen, I know you guys are impressed about the fact that I could turn that water into wine. I can make that bread and fish become a whole bunch to feed all the 5,000 people. I could put some mud on the eyes and help things work. People could touch my robe and they get healed. I know you've seen me do some cool shit. Here's the catch 22. You ready? Everything you've seen me do, you're going to do even greater things. You can broadcast the message. This is wild. Listen to this. You have the capacity to broadcast the message with more distance than Jesus did.
- [30:28]
B
Wow. That's crazy to think about, right?
- [30:32]
A
She just didn't have social media, he didn't podcasts, they were gathering 5,000. How many downloads on the show every month?
- [30:39]
B
Tens of millions.
- [30:40]
A
Exactly. You reach more people in one week than Jesus made his entire ministry.
- [30:47]
B
It's crazy.
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A
It's fucking crazy. I'm like, okay, so there's some truth to this. Then you say, well, what am I saying? What am I sharing? And that's where the purpose part comes in. Once you get the paid, the typical second thing for guys to want to get laid, which leads to balance. It's like, okay, well, my body, where I'm at, my relationship with God, where I'm at. Okay, Where I'm at with my wife. So I got an interesting question for you. Yeah. Young dudes, I'm not gonna book. Why there? Because I think it's a little bit different for young dudes. Why do you think older guys go to porn?
- [31:18]
B
Go to porn. Like you said earlier, sexless marriages. They still want to get some sexual activity.
- [31:24]
A
So it's definitely like, I want to come. Right? Some of that. That's definitely true. There's some other things. So what else do you think?
- [31:31]
B
Insecurity, the body. Physical health for sure.
- [31:34]
A
So they don't feel comfortable even. There's dudes so overweight in their marriage, they're embarrassed to even have sex with their wife.
- [31:40]
B
Wow.
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A
And some of these dudes are married to pretty hot women. And some of those women want to fuck, so they don't care. They're just going to get on anyways. And some of these women are just like this. What's happening here?
- [31:49]
B
It's also easy to access.
- [31:51]
A
Super easy. It's everywhere, dude. I mean, Instagram. Instagram has more asses on it than we could access in, like, bra ads and Sports Illustrated. When we were young, you had to have somebody's dad or brother who stocked up Playboys in some little. Little chest of drawers over here that we could find. No. Hell no. You got to turn your phones on. You got the most graphic shit all day long. And the stuff on Instagram, they wouldn't even put on swimsuit magazines when I was growing up.
- [32:16]
B
Wow.
- [32:17]
A
And all day long, you guys are being bombarded by asses and tits and sex and sexual innuendos. We didn't have that shit, dude. We didn't have any of that. You had to go hunting for it. Dudes would jerk off to bra ads in the JCPenney magazine. Like, that was the content we were working with. You guys are like, oh, say bornhub. I want to see two Colombian girls with one black dude and throwing a donkey. You're like, shit. There it is. So there's this desire, though, that we found for older guys that's Why I like blow jobs. Why do I always do the blow jobs first? Why do you think?
- [32:51]
B
It's easy.
- [32:52]
A
It's easy, right? It's a pattern. That's what porn is taught. Hey, it starts a blowjob and goes something else. But one thing I came to find, based on my guys and what I saw over the last 13 years, there's that looking of the eyes, submission by a woman, and longing participation. Now, it could all be an act, and it probably isn't. Sometimes, probably not. All big actors and characters playing a role. But what a man's really after in porn is a feeling of being desired and wanted. These women in these porns display the attitude of, I want to devour this man's. I want to be unleashed with this man. And most dudes in marriage. Oh, that shit is not ever happening. It's like our girls in war call it pin cushion sex. Our guys call it vaginal masturbation, where you're actually having to pump your wife's hips to cause stimulation. At that point, it's probably better off to just go jerk off in the toilet with pornhub.
- [33:51]
B
Right?
- [33:51]
A
At least you don't feel like such a piece of shit. So balance. And getting to the core truth of that, dealing with kids, it's hard. So much guilt and shame for guys.
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B
Yeah. And on my generation, 40% of us are virgins.
- [34:04]
A
Isn't that crazy craziness?
- [34:06]
B
Super high, super crazy. That's like almost a coin flip.
- [34:09]
A
Yeah. And this piece of looking in your world, like, as a parent, like, I'm old enough to be your dad, and there I could be your father if I'm sitting with you. And in this generation, with what you're facing, the truth is we don't have answers for you, but we have principles for you. Because the application of this in your world is so different. At 48, raising five kids with a wife is a totally different situation. Are you single?
- [34:33]
B
No. About to be married, actually.
- [34:34]
A
About to get married. You engaged?
- [34:35]
B
Yeah.
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A
Congratulations.
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B
Getting married.
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A
Wow.
- [34:38]
B
Eight years in, man.
- [34:39]
A
Wow.
- [34:40]
B
Yeah. But I see my single friends struggling, bro. I'm so happy because that's a full time job.
- [34:45]
A
Full time job. Full. And it's pure insanity. It's chaos.
- [34:48]
B
Yeah. Especially in a major city because these expectations on both sides. But yeah, with the females, it's. It's insane.
- [34:55]
A
I watch it happen in Miami.
- [34:56]
B
Oh, Miami's one of the worst.
- [34:58]
A
Miami is horrendous for this, for the young guys. Horrendous. Like I don't even know how. I don't even know how they could try to compete.
- [35:04]
B
If you don't have money in Miami, you're screwed.
- [35:06]
A
You don't get anything. Yeah. And that's the unfortunate part. For your entire generation, money like it was for us, it's only exponentially more expanded as a standard. We knew that you need to make money, but, dude, we weren't. We weren't. Girls were about us, and we were making, like, 40 grand a year. Like, if you had, like, a couple thousand bucks a month, you were rolling. Nobody running in Supercars at 20. We just saw supercars on movies. Nobody that. Yeah, no one. College was totally different than what college is now. Like, it's all just different. It's all different. And your whole generation is like, you know what? I'm not even gonna play this game. So how did you decide to get engaged?
- [35:48]
B
I knew. I mean, we were seven, six years in, and no one else I really cared about. Dude, it was so easy. I knew way earlier I was just kind of putting it off because I was focused on making money, because I want to have kids, so I want us to be financially stable.
- [36:01]
A
Yeah. Are you there?
- [36:02]
B
Yeah, yeah, we're there. I mean, it's all relative, you know. Got a house now, so.
- [36:07]
A
Good. When are you guys getting married?
- [36:09]
B
October.
- [36:09]
A
This year?
- [36:10]
B
Yeah, this year.
- [36:11]
A
Did you guys pick a place yet?
- [36:12]
B
Yeah, we met in Jersey, so we're doing it there.
- [36:14]
A
Okay.
- [36:15]
B
I'm excited, man. Big step in my life. For sure.
- [36:17]
A
It's going to change.
- [36:18]
B
It's going to change.
- [36:19]
A
Even when you've been with her for six, seven, eight years, Even being with her, you. When you got engaged, did you notice the difference?
- [36:25]
B
There was a slight difference. Yeah. It was a little. Little more intense, I'd say.
- [36:28]
A
Yeah. Were you guys living together before that?
- [36:30]
B
Yeah.
- [36:31]
A
Okay.
- [36:31]
B
That was a big change.
- [36:33]
A
You go from dating to living together to engage to married. The jump from engaged to married is the biggest.
- [36:39]
B
Really?
- [36:39]
A
Yeah. There's. It changes. That's why we've. Guys on our programs have been with a woman for 20 years, not married, have four kids, and we're like, why are you not married? Well, you know, I just, you know, we don't really believe in legal paper. I'm like, I understand. I understand that. But are like, are you committed to this woman or are you not committed to this woman? I don't care about the legal papers either. I'm saying, did you have a ceremony that said, I'm committed publicly to your family friends that you're in. This is your girl. He's like, no. I said, then you don't know. One of the guys that came to work for me just started like four or five months ago. He'd been with her for 10 years. I was like, dude, if you're gonna be working here, either get engaged and get married or break up or you're not working here.
- [37:17]
B
Wow.
- [37:17]
A
That's my version of six pack.
- [37:18]
B
That's the standard, huh?
- [37:19]
A
I'm like, if you're gonna have babies with this woman, which you did two, and you're gonna be with her for 10 years and then you're gonna come into my program and support my guys and you're gonna be a guy. Can't make a fucking decision that's not gonna work. So two weeks into it, got engaged. They're getting married this year. Same thing. He felt. I married one of my guys last year, I'll marry six of my guys this year. All that went through divorces and are getting remarried and asked me to be the ceremony. The guy doing the ceremony, Same thing, everyone. I'm at the weddings, I watch it happen. I've had hundreds of guys get married over the last 10 years. Once you're married, commitment creates a container. It changes.
- [37:57]
B
Yeah. I'm excited, man. I did want to ask this. When the female cheats, do you think there is coming back from that?
- [38:02]
A
Oh, yeah, there's definitely coming back. For sure. There's. I mean, we've created entire lines of trying to programs to help those guys because it's a different psychological shift. It just, it just is because physicality for us, like the, the inverse of this, which is wild. If you take a guy who cheats and it was just a stripper or it was some random one night, it's not that the woman not in the relationship. It's not as damaging to the emotional psyche of this woman, most cases. But if that guy is emotionally bonded to this other woman and spends time with her and doesn't have sex with her, it's more damaging.
- [38:40]
B
Wow.
- [38:40]
A
Because of the emotional factor with women, it's like you had a relationship with this person. Now flip the script for guys. Guys communicate, then they want to have sex, then they want to be intimate. Meaning I'll be open and free as long as I can come. If I can come and it's happening enough, I'll be very open and spacious with you. But for women communicate intimacy. Then I want to fuck you. Guys are like, I feel seen when you fuck me. Women are like, I feel. I want to fuck you when I feel seen. God completely Jacked. The code up on purpose. So you have this come in. And if a guy's in that place and his woman cheats physically, even if it was just a one night stand, it's hard on a guy because the physical act of sex is the primary drive for guys.
- [39:24]
B
Right.
- [39:24]
A
So when a woman does this, it's different. It shatters him. Different doesn't mean that women don't get shattered with affairs. But dudes get shattered different because the guy's psyche and egos just built different. A lot of these guys will plummet, particularly when they're older because this happens. Like, what does this mean to my life? We had a guy in one of my programs. His wife had been cheating for 17 years. Damn. In seven or eight different relationships.
- [39:49]
B
Holy crap.
- [39:49]
A
And then he found out. And by the way, this is more common than it would you would seem. It's not high statistics, but 10 to 15% of our guys have been through that situation with a wife who's been cheating for multiple years. And these guys don't know. And I'm like, how do you not know, bro? And they don't know because they lied to themselves. And when you lie to yourself, you can't see. If I lie to myself, you can tell me lies, I'll believe them. But if I'm stripping myself of my lies every day you try to lie, I feel through your life. So the only way a guy can not get cheated on and not know is because you shut off the internal mechanism of knowing.
- [40:27]
B
Right.
- [40:28]
A
You're been in a situation with a girl where like shouldn't have to say something, but you just know something's up 100.
- [40:34]
B
You feel it.
- [40:35]
A
Have you ever been like, where you got a text from her but you hadn't even read it yet, but you could feel the energy of it.
- [40:39]
B
Oh yeah.
- [40:39]
A
Like she's pissed or she's happy or she's whatever.
- [40:41]
B
Yeah. You know.
- [40:42]
A
Have you ever been there just thinking about her and a text comes in or you're thinking about somebody and like a text comes in? Yep, same shit. But my wife does this all the time. I think she's a witch. She got like a superpower with it. But it's this process of like, how. How does someone know? This is from intuition. It's like this. God, inside of us knows, like nose. That's why you and I can say, here's a different show. The feeling is different. I already know because I watch a bunch of shows. Because it's not just us in the show right now.
- [41:12]
B
Yeah. What else Is here our wives.
- [41:16]
A
Yeah, our wives are here in our thoughts. My wife's actually in the room, but what else is here? I could go loud and rowdy with you, but there's no reason to go loud and rowdy with you. What else is the feeling here?
- [41:31]
B
Not sure. What is it?
- [41:33]
A
What do you feel?
- [41:35]
B
Feel the energy?
- [41:36]
A
Yeah, it's energy. People got energy. People call it God. People call Holy Spirit. People got all kinds of things.
- [41:42]
B
Yeah.
- [41:43]
A
When we feel connected, we have this energy. That connection only happens in truth. You share truth. I share truth. You share truth. I share truth. We feel connected. So the minute a man disconnects from truth, the energy goes away. So he could do all the right things with his wife and she still doesn't feel him.
- [42:04]
B
Wow.
- [42:05]
A
That was my wife two years ago. She came to me two years ago and said, very direct. This is the problem of truth. And living in facts is that if you're going to deliver them to your partner, get ready to receive them. So she came to me. At the time, I was in a. You taking these little blue feel free tonics. I thought they were a good solution, not drink alcohol. So I was like, I'm gonna try these. I know a bunch of entrepreneurs trying them. Ben Greenfield tried them. I was like, I'll try them too. Only I'm an addict, so they say one a day. And I was drinking like 12 a day. My doctor said I was basically taking morphine all day. Now, there was a higher purpose of me doing this. It actually worked out well for me. But what it wasn't doing was it disconnecting me from Danielle. So we were doing the trips, the vacations, the date nights, taking the kids out, doing all the right things. I was showing for the kids, running the businesses, doing the thing. But she couldn't feel me for almost a year because I was literally just high. So operable, though my reactivity was like a zero. I didn't get angry about anything, which was a healthy two years for me to not be angry at shit. It actually transitioned me to be way more calm. But she came to me, put her hand on my chest, and said, hey, I need you to understand right now, I'm a powerful, valuable woman. She makes millions of dollars on her own. I make children, I raise our children. I take care of this house. I'm beautiful physically. I am high value. I can't feel you. My mind is wandering. I'm thinking about fucking other men. I'm thinking about leaving you for a man that could actually see me. I'm too Good of a woman to cheat on you. But if you don't figure this shit out, we are not going to work. And I will leave. There's a statement I use in Warrior called, if the king doesn't rise, the kingdom dies. So for days she would text me this, if the king doesn't rise, the kingdom dies. And don't worry, the queen leaves with the children before it burns.
- [43:49]
B
Wow.
- [43:51]
A
And I was confronted to a truth. Her truth. Was I shocked? Yes. Did it put me on my heels? Yes. Did it leave me in a chaotic place? For a couple weeks it did. Then I thought I built everything. Here's the have it all guy. The leader of Wake up Warrior. Built to the peak, only to find himself in an addiction and then find himself confronted by his wife. If you don't stop and if you don't start opening up this energy again, I'm gone. Because I'm not gonna die. The crazy part is, for a year in psychedelic medicine, I had been getting the same repeating message. Your wife's soul is dying.
- [44:25]
B
Wow.
- [44:26]
A
But I didn't know what to fucking do. I was like, I don't know what to do. I wasn't lying to anyone. Everyone knew I was upfront with what I was doing. I was like, you? Yeah, I'm drinking these, I'm pretending like I'm not. Tried to stop a couple times, couldn't. Huge withdrawals. Then finally went to Mexico for a week and just didn't have access to them and sweated that shit out for five days of suffering. And then I was good. And then guess what came back? Energy. God, the connection. The peace. That peace gets lost in marriage and gets lost with kids. That's why kids don't need tons of time. They need presence. How can I be present with you? You can do a show that's 10 minutes long and more powerful than a five hour show if presence is there.
- [45:07]
B
Wow.
- [45:07]
A
So you'll see speakers on stage and they're all head talking, talking, talking, talking sand lighter shit. But nobody's feeling anything.
- [45:14]
B
Been there before.
- [45:16]
A
Or you're sitting at dinner with people and aren't saying they're talking, but you don't feel anything.
- [45:21]
B
Right.
- [45:21]
A
That's why there's people you connect with. You're like, I don't know why I connect with this person and I connect this person because of the energy exchange between us.
- [45:27]
B
It's authentic. Yeah. The truth is out. Yeah, I love that.
- [45:31]
A
Versus I'm here to show up and find an angle on something and try to manipulate this situation. Dudes, like this seem coming from two miles away. It's like so obvious when you're connected, if you're not connected, you get manipulated. So the highest form of influence is truth?
- [45:49]
B
Yeah.
- [45:50]
A
Is what Trump's doing right now, him and the whole organ, him and his whole little town of X men are just shredding and exposing truth everywhere. Right, wrong or different. Just shredding truth. Here's the truth. Here's where the money's going. Here's the truth. Here's what the fuck they were doing with your money. Here's the truth. Look, here's some more truth. All this shit was hidden from you. Here's some more truth. Here's some more truth. Here's the facts, it's on paper. Here's the budgets. And here we are. We can't send more than $750 to help people in the hurricanes in our own country. Can only help with $750 to every family's homes burned down in LA and Hawaii. But we can ship a fuck ton of money to Ukraine. We can bottom load a whole bunch of your fucking tax dollars with everybody else. We can help every country under the sun except for our own people when they're suffering. This is what most guys do, too. They're willing to help their teams invest in their business. Then you say, how much money have you invested in taking your wife on trips this year? What do you mean? Like, how much money have you invested in your woman this year? In taking her away from the children into an environment where she can be a woman, not a mom? Oh, zero. I remember coming home after I was talking, we lost 40,000 Aspen one day. Just this up thing. One of my guys didn't. So we lost it. And I was like, reverse. Let's, you know, it's good learning experience. Good learning experience. We're learning things. Okay, we're good. Ordered like six imacs that day, Hired like four people that day. And I was telling my wife about this at home, I'm like, yeah, we had this situation. We, like lost 40k in ad spend a day. But, you know, it was a good learning lesson. And we got six new IMAX for the team over here. And we hired these four people. And she's looking at me, she's like, and yesterday when I asked you if we could redo the barbecue unit outside for 20,000, you told me there was no ROI and that I should be quiet while you fucking lost 40,000 in ad spend today. Let me tell you what that message sends to me as your Wife, your business matters and I don't. And that's the message most businessmen are sending. Well, we can't go on date night. Why can't you go on date night? Well, because we can't get a babysitter. Hold the fuck up, cowboy. Because we were just talking about you solving a $3.6 million problem in your business and how you executed it perfectly. You hired these people, you move these people. And now you're telling me, champ, that you can't figure out a nanny or a babysitter situation? Well, my wife doesn't want to let go of the kids. Hold the fuck up. I sat and watched you in a boardroom negotiate the most insane fucking deal with everybody who was a no, and you turned them all into a yes in two hours. But you can't influence your wife to see the power having somebody do the laundry for her. You can't influence your wife to stand in power with her own truth and give her help at home. But you can do all this shit in the boardroom. And then you wonder why she didn't fuck you in the bedroom. Because you're a dumb fuck. That's why. But we're all stupid. Older dudes are stupid. We don't get it. It's like, I don't get it until they get it. And then they say, the greatest investment I can make is myself. The next is in my woman.
- [48:58]
B
Love that.
- [48:59]
A
Because in your world building, there's no other person, no other person will have a bigger and greater impact on the ROI of your success than this woman you're marrying.
- [49:09]
B
Hats off to you, man. That's so facts. Yeah. My woman has been integral in my growth.
- [49:15]
A
Yeah.
- [49:15]
B
It's not even close like it's her by far, was it?
- [49:18]
A
What's the. What's the most significant thing that she does?
- [49:20]
B
She's support you or be with her intuition and breeding people for me. So she has saved me millions in not working with certain people I knew.
- [49:30]
A
I'm looking over at my wife sitting on the beanbag because I have. I have tested that one and lost.
- [49:36]
B
Oh, believe me, I have.
- [49:37]
A
Too many times. Because she's like, do not trust that person. She's even saying that about some people right now. In my world.
- [49:42]
B
Yeah.
- [49:43]
A
And, like, I don't like hearing it because. Because I like these people. I'm like, no, no. But I know inside, I'm like, she's probably right. I don't know why God gave these women super. And it's not like any woman on the street. I'm going to listen to is the one who is the resident expert on me.
- [50:02]
B
Facts.
- [50:02]
A
What's your fiance's name?
- [50:04]
B
Ariel.
- [50:05]
A
So Ariel is the resident expert on Sam. No one is going to know Sam better than Ariel. Because she sees you when you're low, when you're high. She sees you when you hide, when you're on fire.
- [50:18]
B
Yep.
- [50:19]
A
And everywhere in between.
- [50:20]
B
Yep. She's been there the whole time. Gary. This has been awesome, dude. Can't wait to do another one with you. Where can people learn from you and follow you?
- [50:27]
A
We have our newest book, Warrior Book 2.0, second edition. This bad boy is coming out this month. This has been like 14, 15 years in the making. We had a multiple different version of this. This has the entire curriculum of the Warrior system put together in one place. Best place to check that out is warriorbook.com so that's like, where everybody starts with us. We've sold hundreds of thousands of the original copies, and we sell them for 100 bucks a piece when it first came out. We have thousands of guys study this book every single day. We have an app that backs it up and software and systems and protocol. Like, I'm not the fir. I'm. I'm one of the original, original GS in the game of the man space. Most of the men's space movements start in the last five to six years.
- [51:07]
B
The red pill movement.
- [51:08]
A
Yep. We have been running this for 13. Long before it was cool to be authentic, long before it was cool to talk about this, and long before men were willing to be open to it. Now men are very open to it. I'm happy for that. So warriorbook.com be a great place to start. Also, follow me on Instagram. Garrett J. White.
- [51:22]
B
Awesome.
- [51:23]
A
That's it, man. It's been fun.
- [51:24]
B
That was one of my favorite interviews. Thanks for watching, guys. See you next time.