Harry Sisson: Charlie Kirk’s Breaking Point with Trump. What He Won’t Say on Stage | DSH #1591

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Episode: Harry Sisson: Charlie Kirk’s Breaking Point with Trump. What He Won’t Say on Stage | DSH #1591

Date: October 27, 2025
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Harry Sisson (Progressive Political Commentator)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Digital Social Hour features an in-depth, spirited conversation between host Sean Kelly and returning guest Harry Sisson, a progressive political commentator. The focus is on the evolving political landscape under President Trump’s current term, delving into broken promises, the Epstein files controversy, shifts in online influence, health policy debates, and the changing nature of both left and right political activism and content creation. Both participants engage candidly about their political leanings, media ecosystems, and the future of American politics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Presidency: Broken Promises & Waning Support

• Epstein Files & Transparency

  • Sisson critiques Trump for failing to release Epstein files as promised, claiming the administration has become cagey and secretive.
  • “He was the one that, in Fox News interviews, said, ‘Oh yeah, totally, I’m gonna declassify everything…’ And then completely flips.” – Harry Sisson [07:57]

• Approval Ratings and Party Disunity

  • Both hosts acknowledge Trump’s declining poll numbers, with Sisson noting a drop into the low 40s and high 30s.
  • MAGA base discontent over the Epstein issue is seen as a dividing factor.
  • “I think his approval rating has taken a big hit—not from the Dems…but the Republicans are, I think, rightly questioning why this guy is being so cagey.” – Sisson [07:09]

• Foreign Policy and Russia

  • Sisson expresses concern about Trump’s handling of foreign relations, particularly upcoming meetings with Putin and previous instances of siding with Russia over US intelligence.
  • “Donald Trump…has been manipulated by our adversaries to do what they want.” – Sisson [04:32]

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2. Media, Misinformation, and Political Discourse

• Social Media’s Role in Political Shifts

  • Both hosts discuss how right-wing content creators dominate digital platforms due to heavier financial backing from PACs, and how Democrats are now trying to catch up.
  • “Republican Party is still so supportive of their content creators…we do not get a ton of PAC funding.” – Sisson [49:17, 50:24]
  • Movement to bring more conversation-based approaches and independent voices into Democratic circles is discussed.

• Polarization and Debate Culture

  • Sisson criticizes “rage-bait” political debates popularized by figures like Charlie Kirk as deepening polarization rather than fostering understanding.
  • “It’s rage bait. It’s disingenuous. It’s clip farming…That’s a terrible way to operate in politics.” – Sisson [34:21]
  • Sisson confesses his own doubts about TikTok debate culture: “I got into politics on a local level...I really felt like these debates that have started to plague social media, they don’t change anything, they just further polarize us.” [34:25]

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3. Policy & Social Issues

• Healthcare System Woes

  • Both agree the US healthcare system is “trash,” criticizing high uninsured rates and financial barriers to care.
  • Sisson advocates for “Medicare for all who want it” as a pragmatic step—government option alongside private insurance, referencing Pete Buttigieg’s plan.
  • “If you get cancer, you shouldn’t be going bankrupt…that’s a travesty.” – Sisson [17:44]

• Cuts to Public Health and Research

  • Sisson bemoans RFK’s cancellation of mRNA research contracts (“That really infuriated me.” [12:20]) and the impact on cancer and general medical research advances.
  • Critiques fixation on minor policy wins (like food dye bans) as “such a small thing to focus on when there are so many bigger issues in health.” [15:15]

• Crime and Policing

  • Trump’s law-and-order bona fides are challenged: “Trump is pro-crime…he’s a convicted felon…He pardoned all the January 6th rioters.” [20:49]
  • Sisson notes that overall US crime statistics are only loosely controlled by the President, more by local policy and conditions.

• Government Overreach & Social Media

  • Discussion about the government’s role in flagging COVID misinformation to platforms; Sisson supports government “guidance” but not outright censorship. [10:20-11:29]

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4. Shifts in Digital Influence and Political Strategy

• Content Creator Ecosystem

  • A deep dive into why right-leaning creators have dominated the political podcast and YouTube charts, mainly due to better infrastructure and funding.
  • “If you want to make money in political content, you go to the right…The left, really, we do not get a ton of PAC funding.” – Sisson [50:24]
  • Calls for the Democratic party to build a stronger digital presence and support network.

• Debates about Future Presidential Candidates

  • Buttigieg, Newsom, and even Mark Cuban are discussed as strong possible candidates for the left and center.
  • Both Sean and his mother (brought into the conversation at [52:26]) express doubts about continuing to support Trump, indicating they are open to voting Democrat in 2028 depending on the candidates and Trump’s performance.

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5. Inside the Movement: Personal & Interpersonal Dynamics

• On Movement Divides and Reconciliations

  • Sisson reveals he never reconciled with former leftist collaborators (Dean and Parker), explaining the falling out had to do with business considerations and a lack of trust and support during controversy.
  • While disappointed, he expresses maturity: “I’m not gonna attack them…but I’m still pretty disappointed with how they handled that.” [57:00]

• Notable Moments of Candor

  • Sisson confesses his stubborn support for Biden:
    • “I still defend Biden. I’d still. Right now.” [40:45]
    • “Who has better cognitive abilities right now, Biden or Trump?”
      “Biden. Biden.” [40:54]

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6. Notable Quotes & Segments

• On the State of the GOP

  • “You got to stand your ground on these things…if a conservative wants to debate, I’m happy to do that, but I’m not gonna be like, ‘oh, you’re right,’ or shy away.” – Sisson [01:02]

• On the Failure of Fascism

  • “It’s not like, close to succeeding. It’s all just been catastrophic failures.” – Sisson [39:05]

• On Newsom’s Approach

  • “I love Gavin Newsom…he’s willing to have those conversations and he’s willing to fight fire with fire.” – Sisson [55:05]

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Key Timestamps

• Trump’s Foreign Policy, Putin, and Helsinki: [04:32]
• Epstein File Controversy & Right-Wing Discontent: [06:36]
• Healthcare System & mRNA Research: [12:12–13:57]
• Crime, Pardons, and the "Pro-Crime" Critique: [20:43–22:25]
• Debate Culture and Social Media Effects: [33:50–35:44]
• Rising Stars and Content Creators on the Left: [48:59–50:24]
• Interpersonal rifts (Dean and Parker): [55:46–58:19]
• Sean’s mom on why she swung right in recent elections: [52:22–54:00]

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Memorable/Notable Moments

• Sisson openly calling Charlie Kirk a “loser” and breaking down why he finds his debate style damaging [33:25].
• Insightful, pragmatic discussion about possible centrist alternatives in 2028, including genuinely considering voting outside their tribe [45:12–46:27].
• Sean’s mother candidly discussing how podcast media, not traditional news, changed her political perspective [53:11–54:00].
• Sisson’s defense of a social media-forward approach for the left and personal frustrations at the lack of financial and infrastructural support for progressive content creators [49:17–50:36].

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Conclusion

This episode pulls back the curtain on the frustrations, internal divisions, and growing pains of both the political right and left in the current digital and political eras. It’s a frank look at presidential accountability, the evolving influence of social media, and the shifting loyalties of American voters and voices. Both Sean and Harry Sisson bring wit, candor, and personal vulnerability to the table, demonstrating that honest dialogue remains possible—and vital—in an era of heated soundbites.

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For further details:

• Listen to the segments around [04:32] for foreign policy discussion, [12:12] for mRNA and health debates, [20:43] for crime and policing, and [52:22] onwards for personal stories about political realignment and family influence.
• Strongly recommended for listeners interested in the future of American political movements, as told by those in the thick of it.

Transcript

[Progressive Political Commentator]

War has only, in my view, gotten worse under Donald Trump. I mean, there's no end in sight in the Middle East. He said he'd end Ukraine in 24 hours. We're now on like, what, day 175 of his presidency. There is no conclusion. And he's still obviously doing everything he did in the Middle east from beforehand, drone strikes and whatnot. So I think he's backed down on virtually every major promise he made. Look at his approval ratings, they're like in the 30s. And I just, you know, it's funny to sit here because during Biden's presidency, look at Biden's poll numbers now. We're in the same situation with Trump. He's in low 40s, high 30s in terms of approval rating. You know, Mag is turning on him with the whole Epstein thing. They're kind of more unified now, I think, than the beginning, but nonetheless, he's lost a lot of support, a lot of respect. I think it's, politics isn't meant to be fun, but I think it's the most fun, most entertaining part of politics for me.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Okay, guys, got him back on the show. Audience favorite.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Audience favorite, huh?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. You got some interesting comments on the last one.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Were they positive or negative?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I mean, my audience is mainly conservative, so I see you can make the.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Assumption I can't imagine what they were.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

But no, I love how you stand your ground. I respect that.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I appreciate. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, obviously I'm very opinionated online and, you know, if a conservative wants to debate, I'm happy to do that, but I'm not gonna be like, oh, you know, you're right, or shy away. You know, you gotta stand your ground on these things and I think they're important issues that we talk about.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So, I mean, you're debating, what, six hours a day on average?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

It's crazy sometimes. Sometimes. I mean, I've like, I think since the election, I've reduced my debate time pretty substantially over a month long period. But I still love debating. I still love getting into it. I think it's, you know, politics isn't meant to be fun, but I think it's the most fun, most entertaining part of politics for me.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

So I don't know. But it's fun. It's all right.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I feel like there's a momentum shift towards the left right now with how Trump's been doing. I'm gonna be honest, like I'm on the right, you know that, but I think he's losing some people.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, hun. Dude, look at his approval ratings. They're like, in the 30s. And I just, you know, it's funny to sit here, because during Biden's presidency, I'm sure, you know, paid attention to the polls, and you saw that Biden's approval rating wasn't great near the end. Yeah, yeah. And Republicans would say, well, look at Biden's, you know, poll numbers. And now we're in the same situation with Trump. He's in low 40s, high 30s in terms of approval rating. You know, Mag is turning on him with the whole Epstein thing. They're kind of more unified now, I think, than the beginning. But nonetheless, he's lost a lot of support, a lot of respect, I mean, even from folks like yourself, you know, who lean more conservative. So. And he's kind of doing it to himself. It's not. I would argue that a lot of the people, a lot of the things that hurt Biden's presidency were out of his control. Right. You know, like October 7th, with Israel or Ukraine, Russia being rushing, invaded. Like, the president can't control that stuff. Whereas Donald Trump, he could release the Epstein files right now, choosing not to, you know.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You think they even exist, honestly?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, 100%, I think. I mean, we got reports that the FBI combed through over 100,000 documents related to Epstein. They specifically redacted Donald Trump's name, were instructed to redact Donald Trump's name. And I know there's some great independent journalists right now who are working to get the instruction videos on how to redact Trump's name. Like the doj, the FBI, they sent it out to all the agents who were going through these documents. It's like instruction video. And so we're trying to get that. But, yeah, I think the documents exist, and I think he's implicated in some way.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You saw they subpoenaed the. Was it the Clintons Last week.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

What was that about? Was that for the Epstein stuff?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, it's Epstein stuff. It's. It's just political theater. I think the Republicans are doing that to try to shift the focus from Trump to Democrats, to make it seem as if Bill Clinton was better friends with Epstein. The entire Democratic Party position on this is that if Bill Clinton did something bad with Epstein, like arrest, like, I don't care. Hold him accountable. Right. And that applies to Republicans as well. Of course, the Republicans have a different perspective. They want to, like, blame the Democrats for this and not hold Trump accountable. I just think we have to have equal rights, equal rule of law for some Reason they're not on the same page. I don't know.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Where would you rank Trump's current term? A through F? Right now, first days.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Can I go Z? I mean, it's awful. It's awful. I don't, I don't think there's been, in terms of major. And I'm sure like Trump has done some individual good things. Like, I think there was like a deep fake AI explicit video bill where, you know, if somebody, if like a celebrity or anybody for that matter, they find themselves on like a adult website and they've been deep faked, then they can request the website to take it down. They have to do so within, I believe, 42 to 78 hours, whatever it might be. And I think that's good. Like, that's great.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's an issue for someone like you, I bet, too.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I think it's an issue for anybody kind of making content, so I'm okay with that. But anything major, like in terms of policy or even foreign policy, I think has been disastrous.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, he's going to meet with Putin this week.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Dude, he's going to get dog walked. Donald Trump, throughout his entire career in politics has been manipulated by our adversaries to do what they want. I mean, it reminds me, back in 2017, in the Oval Office, Donald Trump shared classified information with Russian officials. This was reported on by the Washington post. And that 2018, I think it was 2018 or maybe 2019, meeting he had in Helsinki where he sided with Putin over American intelligence regarding their interference in the election. And there were Republican senators who were baffled by that because, like, why is an American siding with Putin and just throwing throughout. I can give you so many other examples, but, you know, Putin was in the kgb. He's known as a master manipulator. And Donald Trump is going into that meeting either alone or with people who have no foreign policy experience. So I'm not hopeful for that meeting with Putin on Friday.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

What did you think of Tulsi exposing Russiagate? I guess saying that Obama planned that and that Trump actually wasn't talking with Russia. Did you see that?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, I did see that. Yeah. I mean, I. It's all a distraction from the Epstein files. The awful thing about what Tulsi Gabbard has done is she's just completely. She's framed the story incorrectly. She's misrepresented straw manned the Democratic position, which is the claim has never been that Donald Trump, like spoke with Putin on the phone and was like, hey, I need you to switch ballots or Anything like that. The claim was and still is via the intelligence community, the FBI, the doj, a bipartisan group of senators, which, by the way, Marco Rubio, his current Secretary of state, was on. They conducted this investigation. They all came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election via, like, social media, via hacking the DNC and releasing emails connected to Clinton via even faking emails making it seem that, like, Hillary Clinton approved a plan to tie Trump to Putin. It just came out that those emails were fake and everybody thought they were real. Yeah. So, no, it's just they. It's so obvious that that story, that misframing of what the intelligence community has been claiming is to distract away from the Epstein files. And I would argue that it really badly failed. I think people are still focused on Epstein.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I'll be honest. If they don't release some sort of info on that, I don't think they'll win. 28. I think it's that bad.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Really.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

People on the right really care.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, you talk to people, I think, on the right in the content creation space, certainly more than I do. Is that the vibe that you're getting?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, I'd say half of them are, wow. Like, they're like, really? Because I was just at Charlie Kirk's event and I interviewed 30 people. I would say about half of them are really upset that they're not being released.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Are these content creators or just, like, content creators. Wow. 30. 15 of them are angry. Yeah, dude. I think. And you're seeing it in the numbers as well. I think his approval rating has taken a big hit. Not from the Dem. I mean, the Democrats still hate him.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

But the Republicans are, you know, I think, rightly questioning why this guy is being so cagey about this. Why is he not being transparent whatsoever about these documents? What. What is he hiding? Why they redact his name? It's just, like, a lot of questions. And I'd say before this whole thing with Epstein, I was never even big on this story. I was just, okay, the guy did awful things. He killed himself. Ghislaine Maxwell's in prison. I mean, if there were more to this story, I think the DOJ or the FBI would have told us. But now with the way that Donald Trump is handling this and the way that more documents have become accessible because Ghislaine Maxwell's trial has finished, it's just. It's really weird. And I think you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to, you know, be there at that position.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

And that's the infuriating part of people is because he spoke a big game beforehand. He's like, I'm going to release this. I'm going to stop all these wars. And I think if he didn't say any of that, he could have done whatever.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, I think if he didn't say any of that, he could just not focus on the Epstein story whatsoever. There would be like a small faction on the Internet asking him to do it, but for the most part, it wouldn't be mainstream political discourse. He himself put that out there. He was the one that in Fox News interviews said, oh, yeah, totally, I'm gonna declassify everything. I want you guys to see everything. And then completely flips. And you're right on the wars. War has only, in my view, gotten worse under Donald Trump. I mean, there's no end in sight in the Middle East. He said he'd end Ukraine in 24 hours. We're now on like, what, day 175 of his presidency. There is no conclusion. And he's still obviously doing everything he did in the Middle east from beforehand, drone strikes and whatnot. So I think, I think he's back down on virtually every major promise he made.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

It's pretty nice. And he's, meanwhile, he's battling Newsom on Twitter.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I love Gavin Newsom. I know that's like a hot take. I think a lot of conservatives right leaning people don't. But I love the way that Newsom's just giving him the same energy back. Have you seen, on the past couple of days, he's like tweeting like Trump now.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, he followed something, right?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, it's so funny, dude. No, but I think, I think Gavin Newsom, with everything he's doing to combat Trump, is, I would argue, one of the front runners for Democrats.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. I've never seen someone stand up the way he has. I'll say that.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. I mean, I think there are very few Democrats doing what he's doing, which is surprising and disappointing. You would think that a lot of Democrats would view this moment as a time to really stand up and like, even if you want to do it from a personal brand standpoint, you know, increase your political capital. But a lot of them aren't doing it, or at least they're not doing it in a way that's resonating with people. And they're scared, I think.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Right?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think a lot of people are scared. I think a lot of people are scared, which is kind of terrifying, you know, in America, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, you shouldn't be nervous to stand up to the President of the United States. And I think, you know, people who watch your show, you and whatnot are probably disagree with Biden, but I don't think that anybody was nervous about criticizing Biden during his presidency.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You know, I'll say, on the vaccine stuff. Yes. And the. What was the other thing that. Was it J6 you couldn't talk about without getting banned or something?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, maybe that, but that's a social media platform. I don't think that there was nothing the Biden administration did to combat or attack people for criticizing vaccines or talking about January 6th. This was like a platform thing. I don't. I'm also not super familiar with.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I think there was a leak that they called Facebook or something and said, start censoring certain posts.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, yeah. So that is. That's something that the government actually does quite often. It's not. It's not like a demand. It's more of a request. So even during the Trump administration, the first time they reached out to social media companies a number of times and said, hey, this X, Y piece of information about COVID or whatever it might be, we believe is harmful. Just putting it on your radar. And Facebook, or whatever platform it is, they can delete it if they want, but there's no pressure from the government. The government can't force them to do that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Interesting. So it's more like a guidance.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. I mean, I don't. Personally, I know. I think it's perfectly fine to disagree with me, but I don't have a problem with that. You know, if. If, you know, this board of experts at the CDC or whatever it is and saying, hey, this misinformation is really hampering our effort to save lives. I have no problem with the government reaching out and saying, hey, Facebook, Instagram, we just want to let you know that we have intel or we've gathered something that indicates that a lot of this misinformation is coming from your platform. I have no problem with them saying, do you want to, like, I don't know, tackle this at some. In some way? But I know some people do. They think it's government overreach, and I think it's fair to disagree on that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. So you don't think it's overreach if they're, like, kind of guiding them? But if they actually do it themselves, then I would consider that overreach.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. I mean, I don't have any problem with guidance. I understand that. Especially as digital and the Digital space grows. There's this very fine line between what's the public sphere and what's not. And so as social media grows, I think it's becoming more of, like, the town square. So I understand that there's like, the very fine line, but I just can't help but think how much misinformation killed people during COVID for example, that, you know, people believe that the vaccine was gonna kill them or the vaccine is gonna give them a terrible side effect, they're gonna grow a third arm or something like that. You know, I just. It hurts me as an American, somebody that cares about people, to think that, you know, so many people could have been saved if they, I don't know, didn't listen to their crazy uncle on Facebook.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Speaking of vaccines, you saw what RFK just did.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, the canceling of the contracts for mRNA.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. Half a billion dollar contract.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

That really, like, really infuriated me.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Really?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. Because MRNA vaccines are like, the next major medical breakthrough. I mean, they're already a tremendous medical breakthrough, but they can do so much. And it's such a fascinating thing when you dig into that. MRNA vaccines essentially make your body the factory to fight viruses. And so just a remarkable development in medicine. And a lot of scientists were hoping to use the MRNA technology to tackle things like pancreatic cancer, melanoma, lung cancer, a lot of. And there's a lot of promising research. And then just like that, that research has halted, at least for now, and maybe done forever, depending on what happens in the future, what happens in 2028. So I don't know. Like, there are. I just hope that MAGA understands that they get sick too. You know, they're not immortal. And so if they. Or a loved one gets pancreatic cancer, I'm sure that they would want the next best thing in medicine. And now, you know, our developments there have been. Have been damaged.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, I'd love to see that press conference and see where he was coming from and why he canceled it.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And, you know, isn't it. Isn't it fucking funny that RFK Jr. Is the guy lecturing us on health? I mean, the dude is the weirdest guy, I think, in politics right now. I mean, the stories about him planting a bear carcass in Central park, cutting off a whale head, and bringing it in his car back home. I mean, this. And might I add, when he was asked about allegations against himself, sexual assault allegations, he said, I'm no church boy. Like, that's a. That's a crazy way to respond to Some allegations.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That is an interesting response.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I would recommend people look it up. It's. But point is, is that this guy who has no health degree is trying to say that MRNA vaccines are not. They're not effective. And we have to go back to the technology for vaccines we've been using for the past hundred years. Medicine should move forward. We shouldn't be moving back, forward, backward. Unfortunately, with the canceling of the MRNA contracts, the canceling of cancer funding research, children's cancer funding research as well has been cut. It's like any American, I think, would be against that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, he did. Didn't he get food dyes banned or something, at least?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, they're, they're, they're tackling a number of different food dyes, and if you want to do that, great. I don't think that the health problems in the United States are caused by food dyes. A lot of these food dyes exist in Europe just under different names. I think one of the big ones people talk about is red dye 40.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Right, right.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

It's just in a different name under your. In Europe, and they still use it.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, wow.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

So I don't think that's the source of people's problems. I think I totally love the idea of more exercise and eating clean and eating whole foods for people and focusing on their health. But taking the diet of Cheetos is not going to solve America's health problems. So it's like, whatever. If you want to do it, great. But I'm more interested in the research surrounding cancer and stuff like that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, they're trying to get Coca Cola to use cane sugar, I think.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. It's like, what are we. That's just. It's so ridiculous. It's such a small thing to focus on when there are so many bigger issues in health. AIDS is still impacting Africa more than ever, especially because USAID has been cut. Cancer is the number one killer in the United States when it comes to diseases. There's just so many. And there's so many amazing developments in science, so many cures that we can come up with for a lot of these things that we thought we'd never cure and now, like what? RFK's focus on food dyes. It just drives me nuts, man.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

The stats on cancer are super concerning. And I know people in their 20s getting it now.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Dude, it's heartbreaking. One of the main cancers that is going up, especially for young people, is colorectal. And they believe it's. There's no real they don't have a specific reason as to why it's going up in young people. They think it's because of diets or being exposed to certain chemicals in the air and the water. Not necessarily like for the general public, but if you live near like an oil rig, for example, you're more likely to get cancer. But it's super concerning. But there's. And it's very dull talking about the increased cancer rates. But I've actually researched this for some reason recently. There's really amazing developments. Aside from mRNA, they're looking at AI, for example, that can look at, not MRI MRNA vaccines. Aside from that, they're using AI to look at MRI scans and, and to the human eye it can be really difficult to see a tumor that's forming because the images are just not that clear. Whereas they're using AI now to identify these things and it has a higher rate of identification than humans.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That's awesome.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

So you can catch it way earlier. And a lot of the worst cancers like pancreatic, colon, things like that are only caught in stage three or stage four. Now we're looking, with AI, we can do it in like stage one and then if you do it in stage one, you're on a, you have like a 97% five year survival rate. They're also looking at 3D printing. 3D printing organs.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Really?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. So if you have a cancer infected organ, they're looking at, it's only on a very small scale right now. I think they've done ears in people and it obviously takes a lot of work because of organ rejection is still very much a thing and in the United States and it's always going to be, but they're looking at like 3D printing organs, livers, lungs, to, you know, if you have one that's affected by cancer, you can get a transplant that's still like 30 years down the line, but cool nonetheless. You know, how do you feel about.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Just overall the healthcare system as is today?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think it sucks.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Okay, so we agree on that.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I think it's trash. The rate of uninsured in the United States, the rate of people who are underinsured, which is different than uninsured, of course, is brutal. And it makes me, you know, I just, I just, I think so often about the families who a loved one gets cancer, horrible disease that we're talking about, and they're sitting at the hospital bed of their loved one and they're thinking, their first thought is, how can I make sure my loved one gets better? Their first thought is, can I even pay for this? Can I afford for them to get better? And I think in the wealthiest country in the world, that's a travesty. You know, if you get cancer, you shouldn't be going bankrupt, you shouldn't be going poor, you shouldn't be going hungry, you should be able to get that treatment. And it just, it's one of the most, I think, depressing parts of politics right now that gets some conversation, but not enough.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, well, Trump cut a lot of Medicaid, right?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, he cut a lot of Medicaid, a lot of Medicare cut food stamps. And so there are estimates depending on the program, but broadly that around 16 million people, because of his big beautiful bill, he calls it, are gonna lose their healthcare. Wow, 16 million. I mean, you know, these and the people on Medicaid and Medicare, these are hardworking folks, you know, these are low income Americans. They're not making millions, they're not making billions like Trump's buddies. These are hardworking folks who are working blue collar jobs they might be out of work for because of their sickness, whatever it might be. And because of Trump and because he wants to give some tax cuts to his wealthy friends, he says, well, fuck you. You don't get health care, you don't get the care that you previously needed. These programs have saved lives, you know, and Trump, just like that, 16 million people gone. It's so sad.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Something needs to change. Cause even myself and, you know, we're pretty wealthy, like, I don't even wanna get an ambulance. It's like $5,000.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I can't tell you how many stories I've heard of people my age who, you know, get into an accident or have like a stupid drunk fight or something like that. And they specifically, even in their drunk state, say no ambulance because it's gonna cost like 10 grand.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Even while they're drunk, even when they're.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Drunk, they know they're locked in.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That's nuts, dude. Yeah, that's the state where we're at. What do you think? A good altern?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, I'm not, I'm not like in line with Bernie Sanders. I think Bernie is really passionate, has like some decent ideas that we can work on. But when it comes to healthcare, I'm not like a Medicare for all guy. I wouldn't be opposed to a system like that in the future if we can get there. I like Pete Buttigieg's plan from 2020. He said his plan was a Medicare for all who want it, which is you can Keep your private insurance. If you want to pay for your, that's perfectly fine. No problem. But there should be a government option that anybody can sign up for, regardless of your wealth. And if you want to put, like, a wealth cap so, like, a millionaire can't sign up for it, that's perfectly fine. I have no problem with that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

But I think there should 100% be a program of which, regardless of income status, regardless of where you are, regardless of who you are, can sign up for. And if you get into an accident, you have a terrible disease, you can go to the hospital, not worry.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Respect. You tweeted out. Trump doesn't care about stopping crime.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No, he doesn't.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Fuck, no.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

This guy. I mean, first of all, he's a convicted felon. Trump himself, I mean, it's so funny. Republicans tell us that he cares about stopping crime when he himself is a convicted felon, but nonetheless, I know he doesn't stop about. He doesn't care about stopping crime. He's firing FBI agents, he's firing attorneys in the Department of justice. He's proposing $500 million in cuts to the FBI. They just had a meeting at the White House about firing all these different FBI agents. And he pardoned all the January 6th rioters, insurrectionists. It's like that is the opposite of fighting crime. That's putting more criminals back on the street who many of them have reoffended. A lot of them have been shot by police for reoffending. A lot of them have been caught in certain crimes. Pretty horrible crimes.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

So, you know, I would argue that Trump is pro crime.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I know near end of Biden's term, he was getting a lot of heat for the crime stats. I'd be curious if Trump's stats were close to his. Like, do you know, off the top.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Of your head in terms of pardons.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Or the crime stats, like number of arrests and violent crimes.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, I see. Yeah. I mean, the. If you look at the trend, I honestly think that, for the most part, crime taking place in the country is not really the President. The president doesn't really control that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You don't think they have a lot of control over that? No.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, you know, they can't really reach into, like, New York City, where we are, for example, right now, and stop crime. They would have to pass policy through Congress that changed the way policing took place.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Makes sense.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

But if you look at Biden's term, crime spiked in 2020 because of COVID and things like that. And I still wouldn't really blame that on Donald Trump, I mean, at least the crime going up Covid is a different conversation.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

But then after that, in 2021, they were still relatively high, but they were coming down. And then 2022 went down 23, 24. It all just kind of decreased gradually because of that spike. But I mean, I don't know if a conservative has a problem with the crime stats under Biden. I would love to hear their perspective on that because I don't, I don't know where they're coming from.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Well, I hear the argument in major cities. I don't know about New York City, but I've heard in la, like you can't walk around with a watch at certain hours of the day. Have you heard that?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, yeah, on Melrose. I mean, I'm not super familiar with la. I've been there like twice, so I don't care.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Do you walk in the streets in New York late night?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

And no problem.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, I think that every city has its places, you know, like, I'm sure if you walked in LA on, I forget the main road.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Melrose.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Is it Melrose with all the stores?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I don't know. I'm sure if there's like some streets in LA that you can walk on in the middle of the night and you'd be fine. Right? You could probably walk around the hills and be fine. Just like in New York City, you can walk around soho for the most part in the middle of the night. I wouldn't recommend it. I would say people do that, but you'd probably be fine. But I also don't think that's, I don't think, I don't really think that's like a political thing. I think cities are hard to run and even if you put a Republican in here, it wouldn't necessarily mean that, oh, crime's gonna come down. And I think that there can be unintended consequences when you really try to clamp down on crime. We saw it in the 1990s, early 2000s, where we had this national movement of clamping down on crime. And then a lot of black Americans got incarcerated and they were incarcerated on dumb shit for 20 years, like marijuana possession.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Was that the War on Drugs?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, well, I mean, it was kind of around that era, kind of continuation of the War on drugs. And yeah, like I, you know, I think we just have to be. It's frustrating when somebody I disagree with says that there's a one stop solution to law enforcement, which I, it's just not It's a complex, multifaceted issue which requires obviously tough, tough laws, you know, prosecuting people who break them, but also an understanding that life is complicated.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And somebody who shoplifts like a can of soup because their family is hungry, like, should they really go to prison or should maybe there be another solution there, you know?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, I guess. Each city has their own challenges, right?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. I think the challenges in New York City are vastly different than that of la. For example, shout out to today's sponsor, Quince.

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[Progressive Political Commentator]

And it's just cities are hard. You know, it's a lot of people in a small space and it's a lot of people, you know, New York City, for example, who, you know, a lot of people who live here, whether it be in Manhattan or some of the other boroughs, they're not millionaires. You know, they're just struggling to get by. And, you know, there are kids who do stupid things and we don't want them going to jail for the rest of their lives unless they do obviously something very heinous. But it's a tough. It's just tough.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You on this Mamdani wave?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I have a lot of disagreements.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Really?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. With Mamdani. I do. I mean, I would classify myself as a liberal, as a Democrat. There are some farther left people out there who wouldn't even identify as Democrats, and those are the folks who kind of align with Mamdani. I think he's incredibly charismatic. He has revolutionized the way to campaign.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Facts can't deny that 100%. And I commend him. Very much so. And when it comes to the primary in. Or not the primary, the election in November, I'm gonna vote for him.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Really.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, he's a Democratic nominee. I think the party should unite around him. If he won, he won. The people spoke in New York City, so I'm gonna vote for him. But I disagree. I think some of his proposals lack a solid foundation, which is one of the proposals he has. I think it's surrounding his grocery store policy or just policies generally, how to raise funds. He wants to change a tax that applies to the entire state of New York, not the city of New York, which obviously he can't do as mayor. And he's like, I'm gonna work with the governor of New York to get that done. It's like, I just think reaching, you know, overreach a bit like reaching above your weight as mayor and saying that one of my key proposals is backed by the power of somebody else. I don't know if that's necessarily a winning policy, but.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, I haven't heard of anyone trying to do that as a mayor.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's an interest. I'm like, I don't mind unique approaches, and if he can get it done, then good for him. You know, I'm. But I just, I just disagree with some things here, you know.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

What's his biggest, I guess, disagreement you have with, with him?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think it has to be the grocery store thing.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, the grocery thing.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

The, the estate. The city funded grocery stores in each five borough.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Like, I really love the idea. I love, like, I love snap, which is the food stamps for people who are hungry. I love that as a federal program. I don't know if city funded grocery stores are the solution there. I think that can lead to unintended consequences, a lot of problems of their own. Whereas a more, in my view, a more comprehensive approach might be food stamps through the federal government or a different program for the city specific that there already exists, but maybe expanding those programs, funding them better than we are right now. I don't know, it just seems a little weird to me.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So how would that story even operate? You just walk in and you have a budget.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I don't think he's been. And look, I don't follow New York City politics as much as I do national, so maybe he's been more clear on this than I've seen. So, you know, I could just be totally off, but I don't, I don't think he's Ever, really, from my understanding, gone into depth about how it would actually work. He's talked about how it's funded and how, you know, where they would open it in the different boroughs. But I've never really seen him say, like, okay, you know, you go in, you take a few things and you leave and you don't have to pay. And how do you stop people from, like, abusing that system? I don't know.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That's where I feel like there's a lot of distrust in politics. A lot of people talk this big game, big ideas, and then very few of them. I can't even think of anyone that delivers on most of their ideas.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, it's tough. And I think that can be both the fault of the politician, but also not their fault. You know, if this applies to Trump and Biden, if they promise something, they do have to work with Congress to get it done. And Congress is a tough body to negotiate with. But, yeah, I mean, there are a lot of politicians who break their promises. We were just talking about Trump, you know, with all these, these, these promises that he could address, like the Epstein files. He could do that right now. He's just choosing not to. And I think for a lot of people, a lot of young voters, especially young men who just turned 18 and voted for Donald Trump, this is a little bit of a wake up moment that, you know, Trump and politics isn't as black and white as people make it seem. And politicians you might trust like Trump, like they did, are going to let them down pretty consistently.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You mentioned Congress. How do you feel about them operating, like, with all these, all this donor money, like, you know what I mean? Like, do you feel like they're operating in good nature?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

For the most part, no.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So we agree on that too.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

No.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

100%. No. I mean, there are so many different outside groups who have the ear of politicians, and I think there are great politicians out there who aren't subjected or don't have to think about outside groups. And there are like a lot of progressive Democrats who don't take any PAC money. And I think that's great. But there are a lot of Republicans especially, who get PACs from, you know, MAGA groups or AIPAC or a lot of these different lobbying groups who absolutely influence their vote, absolutely influence what they say publicly. And I don't, you know, I'm more interested in politics than the average person. I'd say you are too. So there's some more, there's some intricacies to Congress that we understand but for your average person who doesn't really care about politics, they're focused on their family, their job. How do you trust Congress? How do you look at them positively? If, you know, you see these outside groups basically having identical messaging to them, you know, how do you trust that?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Do you think the fix would be to stop PAC money?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, I think Citizens United, that Supreme Court case that essentially claimed that businesses have free speech, you know, they're like their entities, so they have free speech, meaning that they can just pour as much money as they want into politics. That was probably one of the worst decisions in Supreme Court history. I think if that got overturned, that'd solve a lot of the problems. But also, you know, just taking these big money groups, if put it this way, if I could have a world where we have them or don't have them, and that's having them is obviously a benefit for Democrats, too, I would choose not having them.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Really?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. I'm not a fan of them, man.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No, I mean. And you're seeing a lot of objection now, especially with aipac. A lot of people.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

A lot.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And that's a bipartisan issue. Both Democrats and Republicans are furious with groups like aipac, and they want their politicians, their reps, their senators to stop taking money. And a lot of them are not, you know, they're not listening to their constituents.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I thought Ted Cruz got demolished by Tucker.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

You know, I hate Tucker. I hate both of them.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, you do?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I hate both of them.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Why do you hate Tucker?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Cause he's a pretty huge conspiracy theorist, and he's pushed some, like, you know, white replacement theory talking points on his show, basically alleging that immigrants are replacing white people. And I think that's just the stupidest shit I've ever heard. But, yeah, I agree Tucker, and pains me to say it. Cause I hate Tucker. But he eviscerated Ted Cruz. I mean, that was.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That was rough.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

That was brutal. I think Ted Cruz went in thinking that it would be kind of like a puff piece, a softball. Yeah, right. And then Tucker just hit him with that, and he had no response. And you're seeing a lot of politicians, both left and right, getting confronted on this stuff, and they don't really. They don't really have an answer.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

There's a major fight right now. I don't know how much you use Twitter, but Candace and Nick Fuentes, they've been going at it.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, I've seen that a little bit. I know that Nick and Tucker were going at it for a little bit yeah. Can you explain what's going on with Candace?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So, yeah, Nick and Tucker, I think, were going at it first, and then Nick went on Candace and she confronted him with what did she ask him? That got him pissed. Oh, she just, like, confronted his past, I guess, and wasn't focused on any current events, which Nick thought the show would be about the war and stuff, so he saw it as like a gotcha interview.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Okay.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

And then they started beefing. Now it's gotten to the point where Nick won't even talk to Candace unless she sets up a debate with Nick and Charlie Kirk.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

So he wants a 2v2 no or. No, he wants to debate Charlie Kirk?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. Nick's been wanting to debate Charlie for years, and Charlie won't do it.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Why won't he do it?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Just don't want to platform him. He's too controversial.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Okay, but Charlie Kirk is. He doesn't think he's controversial.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You've debated Charlie, right?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No, I've actually never.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, you haven't?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No. I know people who have, but I've never debated Charlie Kirk. I would love to.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I'd love to see that.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think that dude is such a loser, and I'm going to. Just completely honest. I think he's such a loser. I think his political views suck. His debating strategy is so disingenuous. I forget who it was, but somebody was breaking this down on social media that essentially Charlie Kirk has like, one line of arguing and he's perfected it. So if you bring up a topic, he'll go down this line of arguing. And it's not. He's not doing that with the intention of having a productive dialogue, that maybe he can change his mind.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Right.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Or you can change your mind or whatever it be. It's like gotcha moments. And you see these clips of him at these college campuses. Of course, it's not productive. He just wants clips for social media. And I think people like Charlie Kirk are genuinely so bad for American politics, American society. And it's not because I disagree with Kirk. Plenty of people I disagree. I disagree with you on things, and we're having a good conversation, but Charlie is just. It's rage bait. It's disingenuous. It's clip farming, basically. And I think that's a terrible way to operate in politics.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Would you say yourself to a certain degree, you're kind of in that when you're doing TikTok debates, though?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, 100%. I mean, that's why I kind of. I haven't really done TikTok debates all that much anymore. I was doing them a lot before the election, but after the election I kind of just sat with it. I'm like, is this really changing anybody's mind or is this, you know, is this just gotcha moments or trying to make a certain amount of money or whatever it might be? It's just like I got into politics on a local level before I even started social media because I care and I want to bring about change. And that applies to every American, regardless of political affiliation. And I really felt like these debates that have started to plague social media, they don't change anything, they just further polarize us.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That's true.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And you know, you get a fun clip, you get million view clips or whatever, but I don't know, I'm more, I'm more focused on the change.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

It's a good, good topic because as someone that moderates debates, I don't want it to get into a circus. I don't want it to be a circus show. I want it to be productive. I want both sides to voice their opinions and I want the audience to decide how they feel.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No. And that's, that's the way I think debate should be. But the unfortunate reality of social media, you know this, I know this. Anybody that makes content knows this, is that things like that, they don't do as well.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

They. Not nearly as well.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Not nearly as well.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So you got to sprinkle in some soundbites.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, if you want it to be like successful and get views, then you got to have some of those moments where it's like, oh, you know, Charlie Kirk destroyed, or X, Y and Z destroyed. But does that actually help society? Does it convince anybody? I don't think so.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. Did you watch Charlie at Cambridge, his debates? I did.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think he got destroyed personally, I think. Did you watch it at all?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. Well, now you can actually. It's kind of cool. You could throw in debates into like ChatGPT and ask for like a grading system.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No way.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, so I threw that one in there. It said he lost because that was unedited. And I feel like those guys did their research that he was debating against.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I actually, there was one of the girls who debated him. I talked to her very briefly on TikTok DMs. Like, she followed me, I followed her back. We became mutuals and she was just talking about the experience and how the consensus among them was that they obviously won. And Charlie, I think he got pretty badly embarrassed. Not that he didn't know. He knows Things. He's not dumb, he's a dummy. But these kids, these guys, not kids. That sounds pejorative. These debaters, really well informed on the minute details as well, which I thought was impressive.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, I was impressed. Cause they are young, you know, 18, 19, 20 years old. I was impressed. Did you see the Mehdi Hasan debate on Jubilee? What do you think of that one?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I did, yeah. Surrounded is a. Is an interesting one. I'd love to go on Surrounded.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I'll set that up for you.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I. Please. I would love to do 1v20.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Would you do a 1v20 Republican or what would you want to do?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Whatever. I do 1v20 MAGA, Republican, whatever it might be. Because they just look fun. But I also think that does fall in the category of unproductive. But whatever, it's fine. The Mehdi Hasan debate was like so eye opening and I think depressing. I was just. When I was watching a lot of these people come up and openly acknowledge that they're fascists or, you know, essentially making excuses for Hitler. That I think spells a broader problem in American politics with the kind of extremism that has come about, especially on the right. And I think, like, there are crazy people on the left 100%, but with a more acceptance of like Hitler, the Nazis In World War II, of fascism generally, of the idea that government should stop gay people from marrying or stop people from engaging in certain economic activity if they want to, or voicing their opinions on certain issues. That to me is really scary.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. I will say that was the most impressed I've seen a Democrat debate ever. I think.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, really?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I think he swept the floor.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think he swept the floor with them too.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

It wasn't even, it wasn't close. And yeah, shout out to him, man.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Shout. I love Medi Hasan.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I didn't know who he was before that video, but yeah, I was super impressed. I started watching him more. Shout out to Medi.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

He used to have a show on MSNBC and now he has. I think it's. Zetio is his independent media company and that's apparently incredibly successful. I think they just hit like a million subscribers. Yeah. So really they're doing great. And Media San is really smart. He even released this book that I thought was great. I read it. It's like how to Win Any Debate, really. So he's very skilled.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I need to read that book.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, it's fantastic. And yeah, I just, I think these. The problem that these far right people fall into, these fascists, openly proclaimed fascists, is that their arguments just crumble under scrutiny, just a little bit of pushback, and you find that the guy who's advocating for more government intervention on individual liberties or, you know, sympathizing with awful dictators throughout history, you're not gonna get anywhere with that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You know, it's a tough argument. Cause when you look at history, they've all failed, Right?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

All failed. And it's not like, close to succeeding. It's all just been catastrophic failures. Yeah. And I think the problem that they have to grapple with is like, okay, great, you have a fascist. Would you. What happens if in this dictatorship, one day a left wing leader comes to power? Would you be okay with that? And it's obviously like, they wouldn't be.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

They're biased.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, right.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Why did Roger Stone block you?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, fuck that guy. Fuck Roger Stone. That guy is such a weasel, you know, Criminal indicted so many different times. Had to get pardoned by Donald Trump. Creepy. You know, a guy. Izzy's a creepy dude. You see him? You know, he's a weird looking guy. I don't know why he blocked me. I just found one day that he blocked me on social media.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Interesting. I'm like, did you make a video about him or.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Not that I.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Or a tweet.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, maybe a tweet, but not that I recall. I have a. There's a lot of Republicans who have me blocked. The current CIA director. No. Yeah. CIA director has me blocked what? Yes, on Twitter.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Current CIA director.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I think it's John. John Ratcliffe.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I don't know if that should be allowed if they're current.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

It's not allowed. It's not. That's what I'm saying. It's not. I believe it's actually his professional account as well. It's not his personal. They can block me in the personal, but the CIA director, I'm like, what did I. What did I do to you? First of all, you're the CIA director. I want to follow you. I want to, you know, regardless, if you're in the Trump administration, I want to know what the CIA is up to.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That's surprising because to me, you're such a nice dude. Like, even when you're debating, you're not really, like, yelling at people.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I appreciate that. I don't know. A lot of Republicans very much dislike me, and I. I don't care about that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Was it a specific stance you took then you started noticing that, or was it just overall?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I guess I think it's just overall. I think it's. I Can be very passionate. Passionate. I think I can be very passionate.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Well, you were defending Biden till the. Till the end, so it could have been that.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I still defend Biden. I'd still. Right now.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Even with stage five, you're going to.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I would still defend Biden right now, 100%.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Who has better cognitive abilities right now, Biden or Trump?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Biden.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Stop it.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Biden. Biden.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Stop it.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Dude. Trump the other day said. I mean, there's so many different examples. The other day, he said he was going to Russia to meet Putin. They're meeting in Alaska. They're meeting in Anchorage. He said twice at this press conference that he's doing that. He has all these different weird moments. Like, before the election, he talked about Hannibal Lecter being a real person. What if Biden did that? If Biden did any of these things? Talked about Hannibal Lecter being real or. I don't know. If you saw that weird rant that Trump went on about boats, sharks, batteries. If Biden did any of those things, Republicans would lose their minds.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

To be fair, Biden wasn't giving as many press conferences.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No, he wasn't. I mean, and a lot of people say it's because of his mental ability. I think it's just a different way of communicating with the American people now that being like, social media.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Could be both.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, could be both. Yeah. Whatever you want to call it. I think he did a lot of podcasts, you know, a lot of podcasts.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Trump did. Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And. But no, I think Trump, like, when you hear him speak, he's all over the place. He cannot keep thoughts straight. When he does speak, he rambles for hours. And he's completely out of the loop. Like, his own team seems to be keeping him out of the loop. He's been asked about tariffs recently, and a reporter, when he was on the tarmac of this airport, was asking, hey, are the tariffs gonna go into effect in August? And he had no idea. He's like, what? Tariffs?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And his treasury secretary next to him had to correct him. It's like, what? How does the president. United States. This is his main policy, main economic policy. How does he not know this? Yeah, but I don't know. I know people will disagree with me on that. I just think Trump is totally gone.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I mean, if we're being honest, Trump's pushing, what, 80 now?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

He's 79.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

79. Doesn't have the best diet, from what I've heard. Drinking a lot of Cokes, and I heard he barely drinks water. I saw some interview where the guy was like, I've never seen Trump drink water.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, that's good. Great. Yeah. And by the way, just to circle back to our original conversation, this is the administration talking to us about health. The guy who doesn't drink water, you know, that's crazy.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

My whole thing with health is like, why am I gonna listen to the government for health advice? I'm gonna listen to the best doctors and the best wellness coaches.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Exactly. That's also the Democratic Party's position.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. I don't think that you should. Like, if Joe Biden gets into office and he says, oh, you should do X, Y and Z for your health, I think he probably is basing that recommendation off of his advisors and people who know more than him. But I would recommend you talk to your doctor, talk to a medical professional. Please don't listen to people like rfk. Please listen to people with medical degrees. The amount of studying, work and things that went into them becoming who they are is really hard to fathom for your person who doesn't work in the medical field. But these people know what they're talking about. So listen to your doctor. Don't listen to, like, a politician. That's perfectly fine with me.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So do you think there was any health cover up, though, with Biden's health or. No.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, if there was, then they did a really bad job, at least when it comes to me, because they. I met Biden twice, and when I met him, there was never any restrictions. I interviewed him. They didn't know the questions beforehand. They let me ask whatever. I met him in the Oval Office. We got to chat. The whole interaction's on video. I posted on social media. And, you know, there were times where I hadn't. I didn't have one on one meetings, but I saw him speak or he came into a White House meeting that we were at and spoke to us. So there was never any restrictions when we would meet him. I just think that a lot of the coverage around Biden's mental ability is really selective clips on social media. I think if you follow somebody around with a camera 24 7, they're bound to slip up. And if you can cut them in a way that makes them look like they're.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I mean, I'm young and I slip up on the podcast all the time.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Totally. Right. I do the exact same thing. And so do I think Biden got older. 100%. He certainly aged during his term. But do I think that he's like this dementia ridden patient who has no idea what's no, not at all.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I've seen old videos of Biden, like when he was in his 30s, 40s, and he was a beast. The way he talked.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

He was killer. Yeah, he was killer. And I don't think I would deny, you know, I'm a big Biden defender. I would not deny that. Obviously, The Biden of 20 years ago is different than the Biden of today, but that's aging. And I think, you know, a lot of his advisors, there's nobody that was in Biden's inner circle that came out and said, yeah, I was worried about the President.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

You know, they were all. These are folks who had, had, had worked with Biden before, hadn't worked with Biden before. And they were all like, you know, he was, he was making decisions in a sharp way. And I think public Persona is different than private, obviously, but I just personally didn't have any major concerns with that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

What would it take for you to vote right in 2028?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

What would it take to vote right?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

What candidate you like? And on the right, you like Vance?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No, no, I think Vance sucks. I think that guy's like a genuine loser. I think he's just managed. He's a smart guy. I mean, he's smart. Very, very well educated, Yale grad, well.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Networked, pro crypto, which I like.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Well networked. He's backed by Peter Thiel and Palantir. So I'm sure he'll. He'll probably do well and have a bunch of money to do to run a campaign. But I think he's just as bad as Donald Trump and he's smarter than Donald Trump. I think he could be more dangerous. But Canada on the right.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

It'S really just Vance. I feel like maybe Tulsi, maybe Trump Jr. God.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. I wouldn't vote for any of those people. I like if, like a Mark Cuban, for example, ran for the Republican side, which I don't think he would, but if he did, hypothetically, and the person on the left was somebody that I just vehemently disagree with, I'd vote for Mark Cuban.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I like Cuban too.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think he's cool. Yeah, I think he's really smart. I think he's business oriented and, you know, would probably need to brush up on foreign policy a little bit. That's a major presidency. But I think he'd be running for the presidency in good faith.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You know, I'll say this for the first time on air, but I might vote left in 28. Dude.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Wow.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

It's not out of the question.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Wow. Aa.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

It wouldn't be Newsom, though. I know you like Newsom. I don't.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

You wouldn't vote for Newsom?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

No.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Who would you vote for?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I'd have to see who it is by then. But, like, I still feel like Vance has a lot to prove. I feel like Trump Jr. Has a lot to prove. Tulsi has some stuff to prove still. So I don't know, like, it's open for me. It's 50.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

50, OK. Democrat that you've seen publicly recently that you've been impressed by or.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

No, recently. Not really. I know they're saying aoc. They're saying Bernie. But Bernie's too old now.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Bernie's. No, Bernie's like 86 right now.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

He's way too old. I know Newsom's the front runner and AOC is in second, I think on polymarket.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. Polymarket there. I think the top three or four. What about Pete Buttigieg? Do you like Pete?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I like him the most. Out of all those names.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I like Pete a lot. I just met with Pete recently and, you know, you can disagree with him, but he is so smart. He speaks like 11 languages, which is a fun fact about pete. Yeah. Like 11 different languages. Insane. And he plays a bunch of different instruments. This guy is just really wicked smart. And he's a veteran, served in Afghanistan.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Love that.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

And he debates, which I like. I like when people on the left aren't afraid to debate people.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Exactly. I think we need somebody like that in 2028. Somebody that goes into Republican areas and is willing to have those conversations. He does it all the time. He goes on Fox News. He goes on. You saw him on the. The Flagrant podcast with Andrew Schultz.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, I think I saw that one.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. That's. That's a more right leaning show these days.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. Andrew went to the. A lot of podcasters went right last election, but a lot of them are starting to.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. So, like, I'm actually. You're kind of. You're obviously in the podcast space.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And I'm sure you have connections here. Do you think that that swing to the right is a temporary thing and it kind of just ebbs and flows with the country?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

It's looking like it's flowing more towards the center right now.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Wow.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Because a lot of people are divided on the Epstein stuff, the tariff stuff. Yeah. Trump's losing some podcasts for sure. Even. Even Rogan. Honestly, when he had Cash Patel on that interview was weird.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You know, I don't know if you saw that One, but it felt like Cash was hiding something. I don't know.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, well, Cash, I mean, that's a totally, you know, a separate conversation for another day. Cash, I despise. I don't like Cash Patel at all. I think he's very partisan, which I think is. We certainly don't need that at the FBI. But yeah, no, Joe Rogan has been very critical of Trump recently with.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Recently.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, Schultz has been critical.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Who are the other having on people from Palestine. Yeah, Schultz has been critical. It might swing. Dude. I know the right dominated the pod scene in 24, but you guys have some talented young guys on the YouTube charts now, like Adam Mockler.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Love Mockler.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That's my guy. Who's the guy I just had on that you mentioned earlier? I forget, but.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Oh, Keith Edwards.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, Keith Edwards. Love Keith. Love Keith. You guys are coming in?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, we have some. We have some very talented content creators on the left. The issue right now, and I've said this publicly before, the issue right now with the Democratic Party and content creators is that the Republican Party is still so supportive of their content creators. Their right wing guys.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

They and not the party, I should say. But PAX will fund them. Like all of these Charlie Kirk guys, they just get millions upon millions of dollars to do what they do, and they don't have to worry about the cost.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Making money on the event.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, exactly. They just. All they have to do is how can I win? How can we get my party to win? That's all they have to focus on. And the Democrats right now, speaking from somebody who's very much in this, there's no fun. People think we're paid by the dnc. I saw you at the older Millennial say I was paid by the dnc. I saw that clip.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Bryce hall exposed you, though, for that, didn't he?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

First of all, that Bryce hall beef was so funny. No, And I mean this sincerely. There's no. We do not get money to do this. Not directly, indirectly, Directly, we don't get money.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

But didn't your LLC get a check?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, I've done consulting, so, like.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, so I guess that's what it was.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, it was consulting. And like, I've worked with groups. I worked with Planned Parenthood, for example, to make videos. And so whenever there's a collaboration on a certain cause or a certain group, it's very clear. I make it clear that I'm working and there are, like, certain issues. I've done Collaborations with Twitter, TikTok and.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Whatnot about issues like that we gotta pay the bills. No, I get that part. I have sponsors and stuff too.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, exactly. But you know, for the most part, if you want to make money in political content, you go to the right. The left, really. We do not get a ton of PAC funding. We don't get donors coming in. We don't have sponsors or anything like that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

It's very. Yeah, The Republicans are willing to do it.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, dude. Because I film out all of Charlie's events on Meteor Row and it's thousands and thousands of people. I can't find an event like that on the left where I could set up my podcast interview. Like 20amazing people, dude.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. And we need it.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You guys need that. Because I would go and I would give you guys a lot of eyeballs. Yes, exactly. Because I'm in the middle. So, like, you guys should figure that out for sure.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

100%.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Like, what's the setup at the DNC? Can you even film pods there?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah, I mean, I was at the DNC over in 2024 in Chicago and it was a lot of fun, but there wasn't really. It was. It was really supportive for content creators they invited. So for myself, my friend Chris, Adam Mochler, who was there, like all of us, they were great. They really helped us create what we wanted to create, which was so encouraging for the future. But in terms of opposition, or even not even opposition, like center people like yourself, I don't think there was any real opportunity for someone like no media.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Row there, no exhibitor hall.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

There was like, there was media row but for cable, so there was like a cnn.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That's old school. People don't watch that as much.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

That's the thing. I would have loved to have like a podcast row.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Well, if you convince them for the next one, I'll be there.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Hey, if I'm invited back in 2028.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Which I hope I am, you definitely will be. I mean, you're like the face of it.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I appreciate you.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

You're too kind.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Then I'll put in a good word I'm advocating for. One of the things I'm really focused on post election is getting the party to actually embrace social media. And I'm not the only. I'm not spearheading this effort. It's just been something I've behind the scenes been talking to people about. And that's not just like donor funding for people to make studios and editors and things like that, but also just more of a conversation based approach to politics where folks like yourself can be part of the tent. I want you part of the tent. I want you. I don't want you to be in the center anymore. I want you to come over with us.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I mean, I grew up left. I grew up. Really? Yeah. My mom's right here. She knows.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Are you. Can I ask her a question?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Are you left leaning or right leaning now?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

She's right, but she can answer. She can answer.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

You are. And are you. Did you vote for. Do you mind me asking if you voted for Trump and you voted for Trump?

[Conservative Podcast Host]

But we grew up and voted. She voted left almost every time growing up. Right.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Did you vote for Biden in 2020? Yeah. And you voted. So what made you change, if you're okay with sharing?

[B's Mother]

Oh, I think one of the things you mentioned, you know, the, the whole, actually this whole, you know, presidential campaign stuff. I watch a lot of videos. Yeah, A lot of the, whatever. I, I think pretty much the, the social media created this, you know.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

More.

[B's Mother]

For me to believe the, you know, the Republican.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, I guess she got access to different information is what she's saying. Yeah. Not the mainstream.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Interesting. And do you think that, like, do you think. So who is your, like, main source of information when you were at the election?

[B's Mother]

I watched a lot of the.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Rogan podcasters. The Rogan, Theo Vaughan, Tom Billy. You used to watch Tom Billy was the early days. Yeah.

[B's Mother]

But those are mostly for health purposes.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Sure.

[B's Mother]

Not so much for politics.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Do you still support Trump? Like, do you regret your vote at all? Are you.

[B's Mother]

I'm not at the stage. I'm more at the Sean stage. It's kind of like, has some doubts right now.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Sure.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[B's Mother]

But it's not like the Democrat, you know, that there's still things that I.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Need to be convinced on. Do you think it's possible for you to vote blue in 2028? Same thing. You guys on the same page.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I think it depends on how Trump does. Like, I think if he has a really bad. And I'm, I'm pretty objective, I feel like. So if he has a really bad next three years, I could see it.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Okay, I'm, I'm going to make it part of my mission to get you to vote. I'm going to make it part of my mission. Newsom.

[B's Mother]

You know, I, I recently watched one of the interviews.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Diary of a CEO, Right? Yes.

[B's Mother]

And he's, he's making a big, you know, sort of commitment or conviction to, you know, beef up his, his, you know, the social media podcast. He thinks that's one of the reasons they lost yeah, Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, I totally agree. I think Newsom's strategy to go not only have his own podcast, but go into these other. Right. More right leaning. Podcast is great. And I think even for someone like yourself or yourself or anybody who, you know, listens to these guys like, that could definitely convince people to vote blue over the long term.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So 100%.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think that's. That's, you know, part of the reason why I like Gavin Newsom a lot. I know you're not huge on him, but I just think he's willing to have those conversations and he's willing to. He's willing to fight fire with fire.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Well, I like that part about him.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I just thought he handled the fires bad. I thought when the metal. Who is it? The president of China came in, he cleared all the homeless people out of San Fran. I thought that was weird.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Okay. And do you have, like, any major specific policy disagreements or do you just.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Kind of like those I can't speak on? I'll be honest. I do not know policy stuff.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

That's okay.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I'm more like a broader kind of guy.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Well, we're a ways away. You know, he hasn't even said he's running for president.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I'm going to. Hopefully I get a contact with his team because I'm going to encourage him to. I really want him to.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I'd love to interview him, too, so that'd be great.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And I think he would genuinely do it.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

That'd be awesome.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think he would.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I did want to ask this. I don't know if it's too personal, but did you ever make up with Dean. Dean and Parker?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

No.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Wow. Cause it's been some time since that incident.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

It's been some time. I had to be very careful with how I speak about this. But, no, I never make. We never made up. I don't think there's a future where we do.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah. No, I mean, you know, they're. How do I.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

How do I. I honestly hate to hear that, and I'm not even on the left, but I just feel like you guys were really killing it when you were all.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I mean, look, look, I won't say. I won't rule out anything, but I would need a pretty big.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Apology.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Like. I don't know if apology is the right word. Like a show of remorse from how they handled it and how they, I would argue, didn't listen to what I had to say regarding everything.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I think from their point of view, they were probably scared of getting attached into It. Right.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Scared of getting canceled or whatever.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think it was like, I don't want to. You know, I have a lot of. I'm principled on this, that I don't want to reveal private conversations.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. Respect.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

But from the conversations we had, and I won't quote them, it was business certainly factored into the decision.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So they put business. Okay.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

I think that's part of it. And maybe they just have moral disagreement and, like, I'm not here to trash talk them. I haven't. Another thing I haven't done since then is trash talk them. I haven't gone publicly in said, oh, they fucked them. These guys suck. And I won't do that. Respect. We're. We're adults, and I. They have chosen to conduct themselves in one way, which is they. Even after the fact. I don't know how recently it's been, but they have spoken badly about myself or my friends. I won't do that. I won't go to that level. And I. You know, we're on the same side. We're fighting for the same thing, so I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna attack them, but I'm. I'm. I'm still pretty disappointed with how they handled that.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Yeah. I thought by now. Because that was like, almost a year ago, right?

[Progressive Political Commentator]

It was. It was actually in March.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, in March.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Okay.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

So six months.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

So six months.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I thought it'd be hashed out by now, man. Wow.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

You think? And.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

And you guys were tight too.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

We were, yeah. We mean, you know, we. We texted, we did some debates together. Dean is actually signed to my same management team.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Oh, wow.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

And I was. I was the one recommending him to get signed.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Which is, you know, it is what it is. It is what it is. That's. That's. That's life. You know, you have falling outs and people don't match us. Fine. You know, it's. It's. We're adults again. I think that's important to remember. But I'm being very deliberate. I apologize.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

No, you're good. Respect for taking the high road, though. I actually really do respect airing out dirty laundry. But, dude, it's been awesome. Can't wait to see what you do in the future, man. Thanks for coming on again.

[Progressive Political Commentator]

Absolutely.

[Conservative Podcast Host]

I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.