Digital Social Hour – DSH #1747

Guest: Hassan Shibly
Host: Sean Kelly
Air Date: January 11, 2026

Overview

This episode of Digital Social Hour features civil rights attorney and Muslim community leader Hassan Shibly in an unfiltered conversation with host Sean Kelly. Together they delve into issues of sacrifice, faith, civil liberties, U.S. foreign policy, Islamophobia, the role of gratitude, and bridge-building between religions, punctuated with passionate critiques and memorable insights about spirituality, activism, and the search for meaning and justice. Shibly’s forthright articulation of “sacrifice” aims to transform listeners’ understanding of worship, purpose, and fulfillment.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hassan’s Background and Mission

• Early Inspiration: Shibly recounts deciding to become a lawyer at 17 after being profiled and detained for hours with other Muslims at the border for simply attending an Islamic conference in Canada.
  • [01:39] “That really scared me… My family immigrated from Syria. We came to America seeking freedom and liberty… If we lose that, we lose the heart and soul of America.”
• From Activism to Law: Ran CARE (Council on American-Islamic Relations) for 10 years before founding his own law firm, with a focus on protecting civil liberties and human rights in America.

2. Islamophobia and Civil Rights in America

• Trends in Discrimination:
  • [02:38] “The worst [anti-Muslim discrimination] was around 2011—much higher than just after 9/11. It’s orchestrated. It’s funded… Politicians want to scapegoat the Muslim community.”
  • Critiques the influence of pro-Israel lobbying groups and what he describes as “Zionist-funded demonization” of Muslims in media and politics.
• Freedom of Speech:
  • [05:22] “We’re losing it.”
  • Both Kelly and Shibly discuss how criticism of Israel has resulted in social media bans and suppression of free discussion, calling out hypocrisy in First Amendment protections.

3. America First and U.S. Foreign Policy

• On Taxes and Priorities:
  • [04:06] “We had a revolution because people didn’t want to pay a 2% tea tax; now we’re paying 30–40%... Why are we sending billions overseas when our own people are struggling?”
  • Foreign Loyalty Accusations: Explores how certain political donors are, in his view, “unduly influencing” American politics to favor Israeli interests over American liberty.
• Genocide Allegation:
  • [07:40] “Absolutely [it’s a genocide]. When you’re accidentally killing tens of thousands, it goes from being an accident to being intentional.”

4. Faith, Gratitude, and the Meaning of Sacrifice

What “Sacrifice” Means (The Core of the Episode)

• Redefining Sacrifice:
  • [17:20] “It’s any form of sacrifice: sacrificing your ego, greed, giving in charity, sacrificing your job to speak out against injustice… Whatever good you do that requires sacrifice is the key to divine love.”
  • Shibly contrasts this human capacity for sacrifice with the angelic:
    • “Angels can’t sacrifice. They’re sinless… But when you sacrifice for God, you become beloved to God. The righteous human is more beloved than the angels.”
  • Notable Quote:
    • [19:24] “You can’t honor the Creator if you don’t honor His creation. You can’t claim to love God and dishonor his creation.”
• Spiritual Resilience:
  • [20:02] “Our elevation is through our tribulation. Whatever happens, even the things we hate most—it's God’s way of elevating us.”
  • Heaven & Gratitude:
    • [20:39] “Those who thank God in good times and bad enter heaven without judgment. In their hearts, they already have heaven now.”

5. Critiquing Christian Nationalism & Interfaith Alliance

• On Christian Nationalism:
  • [08:42] “I’d love America to be a more Christian nation—if it means people live by the values of faith, as long as there’s free expression and no forced religion.”
• Muslim–Christian Unity:
  • [09:39] “We Muslims, we honor Jesus. I want to see a stronger relationship between Muslims and Christians in the US. The Zionist movement spent a lot to turn us against each other... for Israel’s benefit.”
• History of Tolerance:
  • [33:35] Shares the story of the Umayyad Mosque and Christian churches in Damascus as an example of Islamic protection and cooperation with religious minorities.

6. Media, Social Media Suppression & Narrative Control

• Censorship and Algorithms:
  • [12:13] “Meta exec proudly said, ‘I shut down so many pages… censored those who say we control the media.’ Don’t they see the irony?”
  • Highlights the contrast between viral anti-Muslim posts and suppressed calls for peace, observing how algorithms may “promote hate” while suppressing bridge-building content.

7. Eschatology and End Times (Interfaith Perspective)

• Return of Jesus:
  • [16:03] “Muslims and Christians both believe Jesus will return to establish justice. I believe life is a test—worship through sacrifice is our mission until then.”
• Forces of Division:
  • [26:53] “There’s a game being played, and the game is to turn Muslims and Christians against each other. But I believe those forces will fail.”

8. Shariah Law, Misconceptions, and Human Rights

• What is Shariah?:
  • [30:59] “People don’t even know what it is. Shariah means ‘the path’—the path to water, to success. Its goals are to protect religion, honor, intellect, wealth, and health—the same things the US Constitution seeks to protect.”
• Protection of Minorities:
  • [32:45] “The Prophet Muhammad said, ‘Whoever harms a Jew or Christian living under Muslim rule, I will be their advocate against the Muslim on Day of Judgment.’”
• Story of the Umayyad Mosque/Church in Damascus:
  • [34:52] “When Muslims outnumbered Christians and took over the church, the judge ruled, ‘God will never accept a prayer on stolen land,’ and made Muslims build four churches for Christians around the mosque.”

9. Practical Spirituality & Personal Development

• On Mastering Desire:
  • [22:38] “Desire is the destroyer of kings. All the spiritual paths teach mastering one’s desire.”
• On Ego:
  • [24:29] “When we choose our intellect over our desire, we rise higher than the angels. When the opposite, we fall lower than animals.”
• On Family, Divorce, and Modern Culture:
  • [52:09] “Divorce rates are sky high because people are too used to instant gratification. Kids pay the price… Islam teaches you to put effort into healing the relationship.”
  • Responsibility Over Rights:
    • [54:32] “Everyone’s talking about their rights. Very few people ask, what is my responsibility? As a parent, you’ll be questioned by God, your kids may testify against you on the Day of Judgment.”

10. Prophecy, Revelation, and Scientific Miracles of the Quran

• Miracles of the Quran:
  • [45:53] “The Quran said the heavens and earth were one body and we pulled it apart. That’s the Big Bang. It talks about the mountains as pegs, the seas and land in their correct proportion, day and night in correct count, and more.”
  • Notable Challenge:
    • [37:09] “I will challenge anyone $10,000 to prove otherwise—the Quran is the only book that claims to be from God and was never changed.”

11. Social Programs and Addressing Homelessness/Drug Abuse

• [50:59] “You have to build programs to get them [the homeless] out of those circumstances… There are actually more vacant homes than homeless people. The problem is a society breakdown, not just individual failure. That’s why Islam emphasizes strong family bonds.”

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Sacrifice & Divine Love
  • Hassan Shibly [17:24]:
    "Whatever good you do that requires sacrifice is the key to divine love. You’ll never love those who haven’t sacrificed for you like those who have."
• On Community, Gratitude, and Action
  • Hassan Shibly [20:39]:
    “Those who thank God in good times and bad enter heaven without judgment. And their hearts—they’re already in heaven now.”
• On Human Rights in Islam
  • Hassan Shibly [38:31]:
    “God is infinite, you can never harm Him. But humans are weak. If I dishonor God, it doesn’t harm Him. But if I injure you, I cause real harm. That’s why in Islam, human rights can be even greater.”
• On Hope for Unity
  • Hassan Shibly [26:58]:
    “There’s a game being played to turn Muslims and Christians against each other—but I believe those forces will fail.”
• On Differences Without Division
  • Hassan Shibly [27:25]:
    “Real interfaith means recognizing our differences—but not letting those differences divide us from working towards what our faith calls us to.”

Timestamps by Theme & Segment

| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–01:24| Hassan’s charitable focus and return to “real work” | | 01:39–02:34| Motivation for becoming a civil rights lawyer | | 02:38–05:20| Patterns and causes of Islamophobia, U.S. foreign policy critique | | 06:41–10:26| Lobbying, free speech suppression, media control, and social media | | 14:18–15:56| Israel’s regional actions, ethnic/state identity | | 16:03–19:58| End times, role of sacrifice, human vs. angelic worship | | 20:02–22:34| Gratitude, life as a test, humility, tribulation and growth | | 26:03–28:38| Division between faiths, unity against “Antichrist” (eschatology) | | 30:59–34:52| Misconceptions about Sharia, minorities’ protection in Islam | | 37:09–39:49| Finality of prophethood, human and divine rights | | 45:53–48:40| Scientific “miracles” and mathematical patterns in Quran | | 50:59–52:38| Homelessness, drug abuse, social responsibility, family structure | | 54:32–56:11| Parental responsibility, judgment, and forgiveness traditions |

Closing

The conversation ends with Hassan inviting listeners to connect with him for bridge-building initiatives, emphasizing unity despite diversity:

[56:46] Hassan Shibly: “Let’s build bridges. Let’s not let hate divide us.”

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