He Says He Left His Body… and Saw Another World | Anthony Graffeo | DSH #1865

Summary

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Digital Social Hour – “He Says He Left His Body… and Saw Another World | Anthony Graffeo | DSH #1865”

Date: March 17, 2026
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Anthony Graffeo

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Episode Overview

In this intense and freewheeling conversation, host Sean Kelly sits down with Anthony Graffeo, known for his controversial research and outspoken views. The episode explores spiritual warfare, societal division, programs for gifted children (including "GATE"), secret government experiments, blackmail conspiracies, astral projection, and remote viewing. Throughout, Anthony details both his personal mystical encounters and deep dives into political intrigue, seeking to tie together spiritual awakening with real-world geopolitics and hidden power structures.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Division and the Importance of Conversation

• Togetherness vs. Division: Anthony criticizes the growing culture of edge-lording and cancelation, emphasizing the need for dialogue, discord, and honest debate even around taboo topics. He highlights his involvement in "World War Debate" for fostering unfiltered discussion.
  • “There should be nothing that's banned from conversation...with world war debate, there's nothing banned from conversation.” (01:06)
• On Manipulation by Power: Anthony suggests political division is manufactured by elites, arguing it's a class war masked as left vs. right theatrics:
  • “I think the left and the right are owned by [the same entity]...we're not fighting a war of left and right. We're fighting a class war.” (02:30)

2. Media, Politics & Geopolitical “Hot Takes”

• Disillusionment with Trump: Despite voting for Trump, Anthony is critical of Trump's actions, foreign policy, and ties, particularly regarding Israel and global conflict:
  • “[Trump]’s giving our money to Israel, he's giving our money to Ukraine...he knows how to say the right things to make you buy this beat up car.” (03:47)
• Conspiracies of Blackmail: Anthony delves deep into historical and modern circles of blackmail and control, referencing Trump’s alleged decades-long compromise by intelligence networks linked to Roy Cohn and the Brofman family:
  • “He's been involved the whole time...He came up under Roy Kahn, a gay Jewish blackmailer...This guy was working with the Broffman family.” (07:38)
• Epstein & Power Brokers: He alleges entanglements between Trump, Epstein, Mossad, and organized crime, referencing Whitney Webb’s work:
  • “All of these people birthed Jeffrey Epstein...Epstein was a Mossad agent.” (11:15)
• Warning to Regular People: Anthony clarifies he’s not motivated by hate, but by concern for “humanity,” calling for openness and joint solutions:
  • “I'm not an anti Semite. I don't hate any Jews. I just want to know why are they behind all of the sketchy **** that's going on in our country?” (11:29)

3. The GATE Program, Gifted Kids & Secret Research

• Personal Experience: Anthony shares his experience as a child in the GATE program, describing odd tests and memories “blurred out” for many participants.
  • “They did like these weird tests to me...we were given like this pink juice...said was like a fluoride thing.” (17:27)
• Remote Viewing & Espionage: He connects GATE to government interest in psychic abilities, referencing the Monroe Institute and “Stranger Things” as a dramatization of real psychological experiments.
  • “They were looking for children that have abilities, esp, being able to remote view different things, because it's connected to the gateway experience from the Monroe Institute.” (18:11)
• Astral Projection and Spiritual Realms: Anthony details his own out-of-body experiences, comparing dreams and astral travel to biblical descriptions of Heaven:
  • “Not purposely, but like I used to fly out of my body...I would astral project.” (20:23)

4. Suppression of Spiritual Abilities

• Systemic Programming: Anthony argues that modern society—education, media, poor diets (“goy slop”), and pharmaceuticals—exists to suppress innate human abilities.
  • “School system. Mass hypnosis of TV and media. Porn, horrible foods. Goy slop.” (26:10)
• The Silver Cord and Out-of-Body Experience: He discusses the concept of the “silver cord” connecting soul and body, stating it’s cut at death, facilitating full spiritual departure.
  • “The silver cord is basically what ties us to this reality...when you die, the silver cord gets cut and you go off.” (27:35)

5. Encountering Evil, Spiritual Warfare, and Jesus

• Demonic Encounters: Anthony recounts sleep paralysis and spiritual attacks, stating invoking Jesus’ name was his only salvation:
  • “The only way that I ever came out every time was when I said Jesus Christ's name.” (32:16)
  • Sean agrees: “I've said Jesus Christ—in some dreams...the demons...will leave. They'll get scared.” (32:41)
• Duality and Freemasonry: He outlines how concepts of duality (good vs. evil) are embedded in secret societies and the structure of reality:
  • “Freemasonry...they believe in duality. The checkerboard. Black vs. white ...But here's the thing...Good always wins. Jesus has already won.” (34:00)

6. Spiritual Epiphany and Rediscovery of Faith

• Vision and Biblical Confirmation: Anthony narrates an intense meditation/psychedelic experience where he encountered a being matching the description in the Book of Ezekiel—confirming his Christian faith:
  • “I open up the Bible, I open up to Ezekiel...Ezekiel is approached by that same being—head of a human, head of a lion, head of an ox and an eagle. They're called cherubims, dude.” (37:56)
• Every Rabbit Hole Ends at Christ vs. Satan:
  • “Every rabbit hole leads me to two things. Satan is real and Jesus is real. And they're fighting against each other.” (33:17)

7. Remote Viewing, Manifestation, and Reality

• Latent Psychic Abilities: Both Sean and Anthony discuss the universality of psychic/spiritual abilities, drawing from CIA and biblical sources:
  • “There are CIA documents...that their manifestation is real...This is in the Bible. You reap what you sow.” (27:00)
• Predictive Programming and Reality Shaping: They speculate about how media and entertainment implant ideas to “reveal” the method and acclimate society to future events.
  • “They want to show you these things because their karmic law is they have to show you and you have to accept it...Then they do it to you.” (29:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Spiritual Battles:
  “Every rabbit hole leads me to two things. Satan is real and Jesus is real. And they're fighting against each other.” – Anthony Graffeo (33:17)
• On Suppression:
  “School system. Mass hypnosis of TV and media...Goy slop is like McDonald's and the food. Seed oils. This is what goy slop is, the machine lubricant they feed you to destroy your mind.” – Anthony (26:10)
• On Sleep Paralysis:
  “Swear to you on everything I love. Cannot move. Stuck. And then...the only way that I ever came out every time was when I said Jesus Christ’s name.” – Anthony (32:02)
• On Out-of-Body Experience:
  “I tripped for 12 hours...the craziest thing...me opening my eyes in this world and I am looking at myself laying down in the bed.” – Anthony (28:07)
• On Division and Power:
  “When you have oligarchs and you have different lobbyists from foreign nations coming in and trying to...persuade people on opinions...that doesn’t work. This what causes more division.” – Anthony (01:59)
• On Biblical Visions:
  “I open up the Bible...to Ezekiel...he’s approached by that same being...Head of a human, head of a lion, head of an ox and an eagle.” – Anthony (37:56)
• On Gifts and Callings:
  “I believe that we all have these abilities. I believe that we’ve been suppressed from this knowledge.” – Anthony (28:50)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00 – 01:59: On duality, free speech, societal division, and the “World War Debate” concept.
• 02:30 – 05:38: Political manipulation, class warfare, Trump’s policies, global conflict “hot takes.”
• 06:47 – 11:16: Deep-dive into blackmail conspiracies, Trump’s connections, Epstein, Mossad.
• 17:27 – 20:23: Personal experiences in GATE; secret government programs and psychic testing.
• 20:23 – 23:33: Astral projection, visiting other realms, linking dreams and religious imagery.
• 26:10 – 27:35: Suppression of human potential, “goy slop,” silver cord concept.
• 32:16 – 33:17: Sleep paralysis, demonic attacks, power of Jesus’ name.
• 34:00 – 34:34: Freemasonry, spiritual duality, Jesus’ victory.
• 37:08 – 38:09: The cherubim vision and its impact on faith.

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Additional Themes

• Secret Societies & Control: Persistent focus on Freemasonry, Zionism, Mossad, and their roles in shaping history and consciousness.
• Faith & Personal Redemption: Repeated calls for spiritual awakening, belief in Jesus, and a focus on inherent goodness overcoming evil.
• Suppression vs. Empowerment: A through-line that human potential is targeted by sinister systems, but awakening and reclaiming it is possible, particularly through Christ.

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Closing

Anthony encourages listeners to examine reality beyond accepted narratives, discover suppressed spiritual potential, and seek relationship with God rather than mere religion. Sean echoes appreciation for the depth and intensity of the dialogue, inviting Anthony to share where listeners can connect with him online.

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Find Anthony on Instagram: anthony_graffeo777
On X: graphinati19
Business: The Ungovernable Project

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This episode is deeply controversial and presents the guests’ strongly-held views without censorship. Listeners are advised to approach with an open but critical mind.

Transcript

[A]

And you know, when you look deeper into like freemasonry and all that stuff, they believe in that wholeheartedly duality, the checkerboard. Black versus white is white. Like, anytime you see any kind of Masonic ritual, you see a checkerboard there. Because they believe in duality. They. They know that there's evil versus good. But here's the thing, and this is the most important thing. Good always wins. Jesus has already won. He died and he rose again. And that is our salvation. And even if you don't go to church, and even if you don't even say, I'm a Christian, if you believe in that, you're saved.

[B]

Okay, guys, here in Atlantic City with Anthony. He got me at this event. So shout out to Anthony, man.

[A]

Appreciate it, brother. Seriously.

[B]

Yeah, you got me at this amazing conference. So, yeah, word war debate, for those that don't know. Yeah, first event.

[A]

This is very important, you know, because this is like the catalyst of what needs to happen is like, we don't need the edge Lords. We don't need the people that are trying to like call cause division. We need togetherness. And in my opinion, when we have discord and debate, that's the most important thing. Because that's where we meet people in the middle. Yeah, because conversation is the most important thing, in my opinion.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

You know, and with this show with people debating and talking about different topics, it's not really, in a way that's so edgy, that's like talking about taboo topics. We're talking about real things as human beings. Yeah, know, let's take away everything and separate it to understand of what needs to be discussed, you know, and like my opinion on this is like when we're trying to ban free speech, like to say that it's hate speech or anti Semitism or anything like this, this causes more of a divide than anything. We need to talk about these things. And there should be nothing that's banned from conversation, you know, and with world war debate, there's nothing banned from conversation. These are people that I believe in this and I believe in this. And we're going to debate on it and we're going to have an audience that's going to talk about it and we're going to vote on who we believe is. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, because when you have oligarchs and you have different lobbyists from foreign nations coming in and trying to suede people, you know, persuade people on opinions, that doesn't work, you know, and this is this what causes more division. This causes more People to hate that group, you know, that's trying to push these laws in these ways for people not to talk about these topics.

[B]

Do you feel like we're the most divided we've ever been right now when it comes to, like, politics and social media?

[A]

1,000%, you know, especially with this whole situation that just happened in Minnesota, that's happening in Portland. In my personal opinion, the government is being ran by one entity, you know, know, and I think that the left and the right are owned by that same entity. And what they're doing is they're causing a WWE theatric to make people think that they're against each other. But in reality, we're not fighting a war of left and right. We're fighting a class war. We're fighting against billionaires that are trying. And I voted Trump. I voted Trump. I supported Trump. But what he's done in this year is absolutely disgusting, in my opinion. You know, he's bombing countries, he's supporting genocide, he's doing things that I did not vote for, and I know a lot of other people did not vote for. You know, just from watching my own social media and seeing the opinions that people have, he's not. He's not getting supported the way that people think that he is. And the propaganda machine is working overtime to make it seem like he is.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. A lot of people that voted for him seem to regret it now. And it's only been a year, which is crazy. I feel like usually it takes like two, three years. I remember Biden, people liked at first and then took about two, three years. Then everyone hated him. But this came super fast.

[A]

Feel like, well, the thing with Trump is like, he's, you know, it. Not to be cliche, but he's like a used car salesman. You know, he knows how to say the right things to make you buy this beat up car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people realize it's like, oh, I bought a lemon. This car is not what I thought it was. This is not like a good car. This is a car that does not run the right way. And that's like what people are realizing with their vote is like, he's giving our money to Israel, he's giving our money to Ukraine. He's going into different countries and stealing. You know, whatever you want to think about Maduro, this is still not the way that things should be done. Whether you think he's a dictator or not, you should not just go into a country and steal a president because you know what happens. You set a precedent and now you Have Russia bombing Ukraine. Absolutely insane. You have, I guarantee. Listen, this is a hot take on the digital social hour. I'm going say it. China is going to move on Taiwan. Yeah, China is going to move on Taiwan because this whole entire playbook is being played out in front of all of these other foreign nations faces. And they're realizing it's like, well, if he's going to go and grab Maduro up and put him in a Nike tech suit and bring him to New York, I'm going to go and take Taiwan.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because I don't care if that's the game that we're playing and we're using our military to overreach and enforce. I'm going to go do the same thing that Trump is doing, because I have the same power. You know, like, if we're talking about just advancement alone, China is very advanced. You know, Russia has insane missile systems and all this stuff. And it's like, if Trump is going to set that precedent of like, we're just going to go grab people up, we're just going to go take Greenland, we're just going to go and do this. We're just going to go send billions of dollars to ISRA Real so they could go and bomb children in Gaza. Other countries are like, excuse my language, but F that, yeah, we're gonna go do the same thing.

[B]

That's crazy. Yeah. I don't actually think that's too much of a hot take. I think it's a matter of when. Because there's some people that think they're going to wait till Trump's out of office to invade Taiwan, but the unique will be under Trump's watch.

[A]

I think it's going to happen, like, in the next couple of weeks. Holy.

[B]

Okay, that's a hot take, man.

[A]

Because it's like Israel and Iran are about to pop off Iran right now. Mossad is on the ground. They're causing this whole entire fake revolution that's happening there. I'm not saying that the IRGC and the Ayatollah are good people, but you know, when you're talking about the Greater Israel Project, just to speak on it, right. The Greater Israel Project is they're trying to take over the entire Middle east, right? They're trying to take over the entire Middle east. And the only thing that's really stopping them is Iran. And they have Trump. And, you know, in my opinion, people might not agree with me. In my opinion, Israel controls Trump through blackmail. I think that Trump has been involved with Jeffrey Epstein before. Jeffrey Epstein was even anybody. Because you need to look into his mentor, Roy Khan. Roy Khan was already throwing blackmail parties in the Plaza Hotel in New York City.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

He was. He was hosting blackmail parties with Louis Rosenthal and they were having people like J. Edgar Hoover dress up in drag and 12 year old boys being flown in. And this is way before Epstein. Epstein actually went down with the people that were already involved with this blackmail ring. I don't know if you ever read the book, but One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb. You should try to get her to Webb on your show.

[B]

I've seen her.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

I saw her, I think, on Sean

[A]

Ryan or some big incredible investigator. Her books are insanely good. And the way that she lays it out is like. Because I said I voted for Trump. Yeah. But when I look into his history, this guy's been involved the whole time. Damn.

[B]

Really?

[A]

He's been involved the whole time?

[B]

People think it's recent.

[A]

No, no, no. He's been involved before. Like I said, before Jeffrey Epstein.

[B]

So even first term he was compromised.

[A]

You think first term? I'm talking about the 80s.

[B]

That long ago?

[A]

Yes. I'm talking about. He came up under Roy Kahn. Roy Khan is a gay Jewish blackmailer that Donald Trump had as his lawyer. And in his book, the Art of the Deal said, this is my mentor. Wow. Okay. This guy was working with the Broffman family. You know who that is?

[B]

No.

[A]

The Broffman family. Okay. Sam Broffman is the original. This is like the grandfather. Okay. Sam Broffman owned Seagram's Liquor. They were running liquor in our country during the Prohibition with Meyer Lansky. Meyer Lansky is a Jewish mafia. Like he basically ran stuff during the Prohibition. Okay. And Sam Broffman was running Seagram's liquor. You know Seagrams? Yeah. Okay. Huge. Seagrams. Seagram's liquor in our country. Sam Broffman's son, Edgar Broffman. Edgar Broffman got busted with Epstein for doing insider trading in Bear Stearns. This is after Epstein worked from the Dalton School and started working at Bear Stearns. And this is his son, Edgar Broffman. Edgar Broffman's children, Claire and Jane Broffman, bankrolled Nexium. So you're talking about a family that's been running blackmail operations since the beginning of time, basically. So Sam Broffman's right hand consigliere, basically, is Louis Rosenthiel. Lewis Rosenthiel was running blackmail parties with Roy Kahn in the Plaza Hotel that Donald Trump bought.

[B]

Bought.

[A]

Donald Trump bought this hotel for the reason of it being ran through blackmail. And that's not even my. My final case here. He also bought Adenan Kasagi's boat. Adan Kasagi was a Saudi Arabian gun runner that also ran blackmail.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

He bought his boat. And his boat was completely covered in surveillance. This is a blackmail operation boat that Donald Trump bought. Okay, guess what? Adan, on Kasagi's cousin, his boot was sold to somebody else. You know who that was? No. Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell is Ghislaine Maxwell's father, who was a Mossad agent that died on that boat in the Canary Islands.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Also Robert Maxwell. Let me tell you something important about him. He owned McGraw Hill. So all the books that you learned in school, he owned that. So everything that you know from history, science, all these positions, comes from a Jewish standpoint, from a Mossad agent. Wow. Yeah. Talk about infiltration.

[B]

That's crazy. So Robert was Miriam's father.

[A]

Who said no? Just lanes. Oh, just lanes. So the biggest sex trafficker that's in jail right now with Jeffrey Epstein.

[B]

Yeah. And she hasn't said a word.

[A]

That's her father.

[B]

Everyone wants to know where she's at right now.

[A]

So Donald Trump was already running with these guys before Epstein was anybody. Wow. All of these people birthed Jeffrey Epstein. And then Donald Trump was hanging out with him. And not only was he hanging out with him, he ran pageants, beauty pageants, where people like Casablancas and Jean Luke Bernell, who are also known sex traffickers, got caught, got arrested. And. And this is another hot take for the digital podcast. I believe that Donald Trump arrested Jeffrey Epstein to make sure that he got taken out so none of this would come out. And he is doing everything he possibly can to keep this away from everybody, because if it comes out, then everybody's going to turn against him. And you know who owns that blackmail? Israel. Because Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

And it's just facts. It's just facts. And I don't care if everybody comes and attacks me on the Internet. I don't care, because this is just facts.

[B]

And you really did your research on this to connect all those dots. That's impressive.

[A]

And. And the thing is, is, like, what people need to understand is I'm not on any kind of side. I'm on the side of humanity. Okay? If Jewish people want to say, Jeffrey Epstein's wrong, this is all wrong. The genocide is wrong. I have no problem with shaking hands with them. Okay? I'm not an anti Semite. I don't hate any Jews. I just want to know why are they behind all of the sketchy that's going on in our country? Yeah, that's what I want to know. I want to know why they believe this stuff. And as a Christian, I want to know why they hate Jesus Christ, why they believe in their Talmud that he is burning in hell in excrement. I want to know these things. I want to know why Christians when they're in the Holy Lands, you could, you could bring what is Officer Tatum and this one, they get their seven thousand dollar checks. I. I don't care. I've seen with my own eyes. You're not going to gaslight me. I've seen with my own eyes Christians in the Holy Land being spit on.

[B]

Wow. You Israel.

[A]

I've never been to Israel and I'll never go there.

[B]

Oh, you never go.

[A]

I will never go there.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Until it's actually a Christian nation, I will never go there. Because the demons that live there are a part of the synagogue of Satan. If you read Revelations 3, 9 in the Bible, it says there are fake Jews that are our synagogue of Satan. That's what these people are. You don't kill millions of people. You don't genocide an entire nation just to steal their land. Okay? These people need to repent. They need to come to Christ. Because the problem is, since before even Netanyahu ended the, the modern state of Israel, you could go back in history, they denied Christ. Christ came. He said to them before Abraham was, I am. Which means I am God. I am the God of the living flesh. I am here to be your Messiah. And they turned him down because they wanted a God to come on a chariot and a war horse to make their enemies their footstool. But you know, Jesus Christ did. He rode on the donkey. He rode on the donkey. He humbled himself. He didn't care about being this mighty God or this king or this whatever they were looking for. And they denied him. They denied him to the point of where they got the Romans to kill him. Okay? So if the Jews want to actually get all of this up, because you know this, everybody knows this, the noticing is not stopping. Everybody is seeing what is going on. You have normies talking about it. You have normies talking about the Talmud, you have normies Talking about the USS Liberty 911, all of this stuff, it's not going away. So the best thing that regular Jewish people that just maybe once in a while light their Manora, they don't live in Israel, they live in America. They should stand with America. They should stop being Israel first and they should start being America first. Everybody that lives in this country should worry about this country. We should stop worrying about other countries because our country is rotting from the inside. Listen, we're in Atlantic City right now. Go down the street to Philly. There's people walking around that are zombies, that are dying on the street from fentanyl, okay? We're bombing Venezuela. We're doing all this. There's people still here right now that are suffering, okay? We are not getting the right kind of things that we need for our own country. We're giving billions of dollars to Israel to go and kill children. And anybody could say, oh, listen, it's a war. It's this, it's that. I've watched on X now for years. Little children being blown up, their body parts being decimated in front of my face. And other people are seeing this. How do Zionists stand with them? How do they stand with that? How do they say, oh, every Palestinian is a demon? I'm not saying every Jew is a demon. I'm not saying that right now. I'm saying that you can repent. You could come back. You can come and have a civilized conversation with all of us and we could fix this thing, okay? Netanyahu is a war criminal, okay? He has done severe damage for his country and he's messing it up for all Jews all around the world. Because what they're doing is. They're seeing it. And everybody's representing every Jewish person with the modern state of Israel, with Zionism. And then you have like the Rabbi Schmooles, the Emily Austin's, the people that don't care. They're fully supportive of this and they won't hide it and they don't care. They're demons. I don't care. I'll write in the camera, you are a demon. I don't care. Comfort me. Try to cancel me. Do whatever you want to do. You're a demon. If you are standing against what you're doing. If you, if you believe that this is a good thing, blowing up children, you are a demon, okay? Stealing land, doing the things that they're doing. But there's regular Jewish people out there, and I want to say this to you, regular Jewish people out there don't stand with these causes. Because all that's going to happen is everybody's going to turn against you like they're turning against them.

[B]

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[A]

Yes, yes. A lot of people are part of it. So I started posting about it actually recently on my Instagram and, like, thousands of people have come out and like, been, wow, this is like blurred out of my memories. I was in the Gate program. Yeah. I had to go, like, to this trailer that was off the school and they did like these weird tests to me. I posted pictures of like, the headphones that people had to wear. And what they told us was, oh, it's a hearing test, it's this, it's that. But we're like actually listening to different frequencies. And we were given, like, a lot of people remember this pink juice. We were given, like, this pink juice, which they said was like a fluoride thing. They also had tablets that like turned your. Your whole entire mouth pink. So there was like excuses of being like, oh, it's to teach you how to brush your teeth and this and that. But you find out that the gay program is much deeper than that. In my opinion, and not even really my opinion, this is pretty much factual at this point, is that they were looking for children that have abilities, esp being able to remote view different things, because it's connected to the gateway experience from the Monroe Institute. Yeah, you were telling me before that they reached out to you.

[B]

Yeah, Monroe reached out to me. They had some influencer summit where they invited 50 of the biggest spiritual creators, content creators, and they taught them all how to remote view, how to do a bunch of stuff. Hemi sync technology.

[A]

Yes, Hemi syncing all that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I kind of Regret not going, but hopefully I could get there.

[A]

Probably spin the block and go back. You know, they probably invite you back, dude.

[B]

I actually know someone that completed their remote viewing program and she was number one in the class. And now she. She's like a beast.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

She remote views all sorts of wow.

[A]

So the show Stranger Things is actually based off all of this. There was this one guy that they used for remote viewing during the Cold War. He was basically trying to see like into Russia, like what the Russians were doing during the Cold War. And this program, I believe is still going to today. You know, the gate program has kind of died out. Like it's not in the school system like it was, but there are still dark projects that are for remote viewing and all of these things. A very famous one was the Montauk project. And that's what Stranger Things is actually based off of. The Montauk project was in Long island, in Montauk, they had this like secret base that they were teaching people how to remote view. They're teaching all this stuff. But there was this thing called the Montauk Monster and it was like this weird looking creature that just washed up on the beach one day. And this is where like the Demogorgon came from and stuff.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So this is real stuff. You know, it sounds crazy to some people, but like if you truly understand in a spiritual way that there's a world and a realm that exists within our realm, you know, if we're not looking at things in the 3D and we're going deep into our minds, into our subconscious, there's what you would call like Paul in the Bible would call the third heavens, the spiritual world, the Upside Down. Right. This is a real thing, you know, and there are like a purgatory kind of vibe. Cuz me, as a child, I used to. Not on purposely, but like I used to fly out of my body.

[B]

Wow. He would astral project.

[A]

I would astral project. Holy crap. Yeah. I would astral project and I would fly to my neighbor's house who was like this nice old woman, like in the 3D, in like regular life, a nice old woman. But when I'd fly to her house as a child, it's scary. It's like this darkness and like demons and dead bodies. And like I remember like the specific monster was like a chef. I'm like, this is a real thing. Like you ever heard the movie Insidious? Yeah, it's like that. Like that's a real thing, you know. But I would also astral project to different Places like, I had a consecutive dream about this island that I would fly to. Right? And I would fly to this island, and it was so beautiful. It was like these golden castles, these golden roads, and I am on a beach, and I'm actually a photographer at a wedding, and I walk out on a beach and there's these giant sea turtles and all these beautiful colors and all this stuff. And I remember, like, I walk into, like, the. The castle or whatever it is, and, like, there's this long table and everybody sitting at the table and they're. They're like, eating. And at the time, like, growing up and. And like, figuring all this stuff out and, like, putting all these pieces of this puzzle together, you know, I was a little New Age at the time. I was like, oh, I went to Atlantis, you know. Yeah. But then I became a Christian and then I started looking the Bible. I was like, well, this is what it says that heaven looks like in the Bible is like this golden kingdom and all these colors, like, color and all this stuff. And then you find out that in the Bible that Jesus Christ is. Is known as the groom, and we're his bride, and there's a giant feast that's in heaven. So I was a photographer at a wedding. I was a photographer at this feast. I was a photographer at what is going to come in the future when we go to heaven and we're all at this feast.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah. There's another girl. Her name is Akiana. I don't know if you ever heard of her. No. So Akiana was a Russian girl, and her family raised her atheist. But she would paint these pictures, the most beautiful pictures you've ever seen of, like, heaven. And like, she painted this one picture called the Prince of Peace of Jesus and her family. I mean, I'm talking about. You have to look into this because it's the most beautiful artwork you ever saw. But she would get these visions, you know, she would astral project. She would be brought to these other places. And, you know, I'm saying all this to make the point of, like, there's a world that exists beyond our worlds. And the people at the top, the people that are in these intelligent agencies and all this stuff, they know about it. They know about it, and they know that children possess that power because before we're tainted and put into the Rockefeller school system, and what you would say is your imagination. You know, like, when I was a kid, personally, I would play video games and watch movies in my head, you know, I'd be like, Literally watching movies and playing video games in my head. Well, that's your imagination. That's what they tell us. Is it deeper than that? Is that remote viewing? Is that remote viewing? Are we put in the school system to have that destroyed? To be put into the box? To be put into this, this cube? Right. Is that really what it is? You know, for me personally, I was put on medications at a young age. I. I got kicked out of school, I left the system, and that's why I became a truth seeker at a young age. I Woke up in 2001.

[B]

That's early.

[A]

Yeah. I've been speaking truth for over 25 years now. You know, I mean, it's been a long, dark road to get to where I'm at now. But, you know, having these abilities are something I believe every human has. Some are more tapped into it, Right. Like, it's different kind of levels of consciousness. But the gate program was looking for these specific people. They were looking for the people that had these powers because did they want to take advantage of them or do they even just want to suppress their power? Like, no, we need to shut this guy down. We need to shut this girl down. She's too strong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it can work against their system.

[B]

Yeah. A couple kids from my school got into it, I think, because they stopped showing up to class.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, they take them out of class. So it happens, like, very weirdly. Like, very sporadically. Like, you'll see a couple kids leave out people to, like, the nurse's office, and they'll do these tests. And then they get invited to the big. The gate program. And it's an off site from the school, like, usually a trailer or like another classroom. And then the deeper that they go into this, like, me personally, the deeper I went into it, I started going to other doctors. Like, I went to this one doctor and I, you know, the same thing. The headphones, the frequency. And they started showing me, like, ink blots, like literal ink blots. Like, what do you think of this? What do you. What does this picture represent to you? And I'm like 10 years old, dude. You know, I'm like 10 years old. They're doing like all these crazy tests on me. And like now grown up and. And like seeing and figuring this all out and like having a following on Instagram and posting this stuff and seeing thousands of people saying, like, I went through this.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Because I had such a. Like a lonely road to get to this point and knowing that other people are out there that went through the Same thing is kind of like a comforting thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're not alone.

[B]

Because locally it was probably only a couple of kids per town. But now you can reunite online.

[A]

Exactly. Exactly. And like a lot of people that woke up at a young age, like, the great thing that I will say about the Internet and where we're at right now is that so many people are waking up together. You know, when you wake up in 2001 and you're talking about this stuff, My family thought I was crazy. The school system tried to destroy me. Like every. Every system tried to destroy me because I already knew the truth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And once you already know the truth, it's. You're going to be attacked because truth is the most dangerous thing to these people. You know, you put a spotlight on their dark, deep swamp, they scurry. And the more of us that wake up and the more of us that come to Christ and realize that. That he is the way, the truth and the life. And you see that this is a battle between good and evil, then people will wake up to their powers. People will wake up to what's happened to them and they'll figure out who they are.

[B]

Yeah. How do you think they wiped everyone's memory?

[A]

School system for sure. School system. Mass hypnosis of TV and media. Porn, horrible foods. Goy slop. Goy slop is a very.

[B]

What is up.

[A]

Goy slop is like McDonald's and the food. Seed oils. So another thing is me and my wife, we own a tallow business. We started a tallow business because seed oils. Seed oils are horrible for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this is what goy slop is. Goy slop is like the machine lubricant that they feed you to destroy your mind, to calcify your pineal gland to take you away from this. So it's a whole entire system. It's a food system, it's media, it's basically every. Everything that is trying to keep us distracted from going inside. And the Monroe Institute teaches this.

[B]

It teaches you.

[A]

Teaches you to go inside. How to hemi sync, how to take your left side and your right side and bring it together.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And to understand there's something so much deeper with. Inside of me that if I plant it into my subconscious mind, it will become my reality. Like, there are CIA documents that have everything about this, that we can control realities and that their manifestation is real. And this isn't like a New Age topic. This is in the Bible. You reap what you sow. You can manifest things. This is a real Thing, through prayer, through supplication, we can do these things. And I think personally that I have this ability. I'm sure you have this ability. I'm sure plenty of others are watching this, have this ability.

[B]

We all do it when we sleep, I believe.

[A]

For sure, for sure. You've heard the Silver cord? No. So the silver cord is basically what ties us to this reality. It holds us here. And when we dream, a lucid dream especially.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what's keeping us within this reality. You know, like if you take psychedelics, like really strong psychedelics and you take like a hero's dose of mushrooms or anything like that, you leave your body, you have an out of body experience. Me, I've done ibogaine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ibogaine is like the strongest form of DMT that you can do. I tripped for 12 hours.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

Yeah. It's because I was addicted to oxys. Okay. And it actually takes your brain from an addictive state to a pre addictive state. So I tripped for 12 hours and I've had, I had the craziest experience. I mean I'm jumping timelines, doing all this stuff. But the craziest thing, not seeing me turn into a wolf or me turning into Sonic the Hedgehog or anything like that, it was actually me opening up my eyes in this world and I am looking at myself laying down in the bed that I'm in because I'm out of my body and the silver cord is holding me to this reality.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I believe that when you die, the silver cord gets cut and you go off. You either.

[B]

Like a balloon.

[A]

Exactly. You. You get lifted off into the heavens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, or wherever, you know, that's between you and God. Yeah. But I believe that we all have these abilities. I believe that we've been suppressed from this knowledge. And I believe that there's are people out there that know this and want to use it to their advantage. You know, CIA, all these people. So Stranger Things is not really such a far fetched idea. Like the show comes from something like there is a true reality.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the fiction of the story.

[B]

You could say that about every show and movie actually.

[A]

For sure. No question. And they do that on purpose.

[B]

Yeah. They've channeled it from other timelines or from whatever Terminator matrix, You know, it's all already happened before.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

I mean there's no original ideas at all.

[A]

I mean we're watching like iRobot and all those shows come to life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like if you look at Elon Musk's robots, it's iRobot. It's like there's, there's no separation at all. And it's like, you know, predictive programming, like Revelation of the Method. They want to show you these things because their karmic law is they have to show you and you have to accept it. You have to be like, watching it on TV or watching it in a movie or an award show, wherever you clap it on, you know, you're like, oh, yeah, this was great. I love this movie, I love this show. You're bringing that into your reality now, right? Like, oh, you like that? Okay, well, let me show you what a real robot looks like. Let me show you what a real demon looks like. Let me show you what. You know for an example of the revelation of the method is during the 2012 Olympics in China. They had like this crazy, like, monsters and like all these people laying in hospital beds and like all like Covid esque, you know, and then, you know, they plant that and years and years and years later because these people, they, they play the long game. You know, they've been planning this thing for a long time. So they plant these ideas into our subconscious mind. We accept it, we say, okay, it's cool. Like, we watch it on tv. Then they do it to you and they're like, well, we don't get in trouble for it because you said, yeah, yeah, you accepted it, you clapped for it, you loved it, you loved it, you thought it was awesome. And then they do it to you.

[B]

That's crazy. Any demon encounters for you?

[A]

I've had plenty.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I've had plenty.

[B]

While you were astral traveling or astral traveling coming back.

[A]

Seen them in that world. But I've also had sleep paralysis over 5,000 times.

[B]

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[A]

I was a child, I slept on my mom's floor until I was 14 years old.

[B]

Dude. I only had it once. I can't.

[A]

5,000, dude. Swear to you on everything I love. Cannot move. Stuck. And then when you start to, like, come out of it, and the only way that I ever came out every time was when I said Jesus Christ's name.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Only time. That's the only way I'd be unlocked was from that. And I'm telling you, you would see, like, you want to talk about, like, Aaron Rodgers seeing the guy with the hat or whatever, like the. The Slender Man. Yeah. These things exist. They exist. And they're here. They're here. You can't see them. You don't know that they're there. But when the veil gets torn and you're in that kind of state, you see them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When they're there and they're present.

[B]

Dude, when I had it, I saw shadow people. I was getting choked out.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I've said Jesus Christ. I'm not even Christian, by the way, but I've said him in some dreams I've had.

[A]

And you got escaped.

[B]

And the demons will. Whatever they are in the dream world, will. Will leave. They'll get scared.

[A]

That's the only thing that will scare them away, bro. Yeah, it's the only thing that will scare him away.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I grew up Christian. I. I just don't like the whole modern religion these days.

[A]

That's absolutely fine. You know, the most important thing is relationship.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, if you know Jesus and you know that he is God, then everything else will start to make sense. You don't need any human understanding, you know, even the Bible, like, a lot of people say the Bible's manipulated, but the most important thing about the Bible is the gospel. It's the story of Jesus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, this is. This is really what it comes down to. I've gone down every rabbit hole you could ever think about. 25 years, and every rabbit hole leads me to two things. Satan is real and Jesus is real. And they're fighting against each other.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Through every single thing in this world, it's a battle. It's a spiritual battle. And the only way to Truly fight it is by putting on your spiritual armor, is by putting on the armor of God. That's the only way to do it. I'm not saying you need to be a devout Christian and go to church. That's important, but it's, it's. The most important thing is knowing Jesus Christ and knowing that your salvation and you'll be in heaven.

[B]

Yeah. What I'm saying makes you wonder if evil is, Is necessary in the world.

[A]

It is. Kind of balances things, right?

[B]

It is.

[A]

And you know, when you look deeper into like Freemasonry and all that stuff, they believe in that wholeheartedly. Duality. Yeah. The checkerboard. Black versus white is why, like, anytime you see any kind of Masonic ritual, you see a checkerboard there. Because they believe in duality. They. They know that there's evil versus good. But here's the thing, and this is the most important thing. Good always wins. Jesus has already won. He died and he rose again. And that is our salvation. And even if you don't go to church, and even if you don't even say, I'm a Christian, if you believe in that, you're safe.

[B]

I love that you think he's gonna return. I do. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know when he's gonna return. A lot of people believe we're in the end times now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My personal opinion, I think that the people, the chosen people. I won't go back into that topic, but I believe that. Oh, there's one right there. He's faking problem. They're faking prophecy to try to make us believe that.

[B]

You exhaust.

[A]

Yeah, I. I know that. Wow.

[B]

So all these wars, you think they're faking those?

[A]

Well, they're purposely doing it.

[B]

They're like orchestrating them.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, they're purposely doing it. It's not like. And this is the thing, like Christians, like a lot of Christians, like, especially that believe in the modern state of Israel and all this stuff. Like, they are being tricked into believing that it is the end times. So they allow this. That's what Zionism.

[B]

I've heard that the Israel in the Bible is not even the Israel today.

[A]

It's not.

[B]

So they lied about that.

[A]

It's definitely not Revelation.

[B]

Where do you think it was?

[A]

Revelations 3:9. Revelations 3:9 says that there are fake Jews and they are a synagogue of Satan. This is in the Bible. Like, this is, this is all, you know. And people that fall for this are people that are going to get stuck in the trap, you know? And the trap is, are you actually in line with God?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or are you being tricked? Did John Darby trick you? Did the whole entire Rapture theory and all this stuff? Because a lot of people are like, I'm just going to be rapture. I'm going to be saved. Like, I got to believe everything that it says in the Bible to this point, so I'll be saved. But like I said before, there are manipulations in the Bible as well.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I mean, so even back then, they were.

[A]

It's 66 books, you know, they. They took out a lot of stuff. I'm not. And I'm not saying that the Bible's manipulated to the point that you shouldn't believe it. I'm just saying it's manipulated. And, you know, and I was super against the Bible for a long time. And I'm gonna tell you a quick story. Or super against the Bible for a long time. You know, I was always a Christian. I was born Roman Catholic. I was always a Christian, but I was super against the Bible because I was manipulated to the point where I wouldn't even read it. I wouldn't even open it. And I started talking to people online, like Christians. They're like, you need to read the Bible. You need to look into the Bible. And at the time, I was doing a lot of, like, basically, you know, Hemi sinking. I was doing a lot of, like, deep meditations. I'm not gonna lie. I was doing ketamine. Yeah. So I did this one deep meditation. It was a guided meditation. It was about the spiritual entities that basically protect you in this realm. Right. So I do the meditation. I get into the. To the realm, to the, you know, the upside down, wherever, the heavens, whatever you want to call it. And this being approaches me and it's huge. Dude. It's like the size of a skyscraper.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And it has the head of a human, an eagle, an ox, and a lion.

[B]

What?

[A]

And it has giant wings. And it tells me, you need to know who you are. And then another angel flies and it has, like, rainbow wings, and it looks back at me and goes, no, you know, to know who you are. So I come out of this meditation and months and months later, swear to you on everything I love in this world. I said, because they keep talking to these Christians, like, read the Bible. So I'm like, okay, I'll read the Bible. I. I say to myself, I'm going to open this Bible, and wherever it opens up, I'm going to read it. Not going to start at the beginning. I'm not going to go to any specific thing. I'm just going to let God do it. Swear to you, Sean. I open up the Bible, I open up to Ezekiel. In the first chapter of Ezekiel. Ezekiel is approached by that same being.

[B]

No.

[A]

Head of a human, head of a lion, head of an ox and an eagle. They're called cherubims, dude. They are the protectors of God's throne.

[B]

Cherubim.

[A]

Since that day, I believed in Jesus Christ. Well, I always believed in Jesus Christ, but I believed in the Bible.

[B]

I don't blame you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Story like that, I mean, the odds of you opening up to that page, one in billions. Incredible, you know?

[A]

Incredible. God is, is real.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And he's with us, man.

[B]

I want to try some of those meditations you're doing.

[A]

For sure. I'll set them to you.

[B]

Yeah. So it's hemisync.

[A]

It's hemisync self. Yeah. Dr. Tad James, he's like a super famous hypnotist. Guided meditation.

[B]

I wonder why more people don't talk about hemisync. Cuz they get suppressed.

[A]

It's a. It's a deep thing. Very deep thing. Not everybody can access it.

[B]

People go on YouTube.

[A]

You can't stay still. Well, they can. Anybody can access it. The thing is, people can't stay still. They don't have the nature to understand. When you're in like, when you're in a very deep hemisync meditation or whatever you want to call it, you need to leave your body.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And your body's going to fight against you. You're going to start feeling like, oh my, my bone hurts here. And what's my phone saying? You know, I hear this noise and like everything's going to try to confuse you to get out of that state. If you just stay in it and just keep breathing and you keep listening to what they're telling you to do, you will get to the point where you don't feel your body anymore.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You are completely separated. You are completely disassociated from your body.

[B]

Have you dabbled with remote viewing too?

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You had Sam on before where he was saying he has psychic abilities. Yeah, I have the same abilities. That's, that's why I'm such a good truth seeker. Because I can literally do the same thing. I can predict timelines. I could do all these things that I've done it. You know, my following knows that I've done it. They've seen me like say, oh, this is going to happen and it happens, you know, and it's like, I don't want to take the glory of that. That's also God. God gave me these abilities. God gave everybody these abilities. But it's who learns how to tap into it that's the most important.

[B]

Doesn't.

[A]

That's.

[B]

Bro. Where could people keep up with you, man?

[A]

Follow me on Instagram. Anthony,_ graffio777 on X graphinati19. And my business is the Ungovernable Project. Thank you for having me.

[B]

Yeah, Check them out, guys. That was fun. Boom. Thanks for watching. All the way to the end, Guys. Please hit like and subscribe. It helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests. Thank you so much.