He Took Too Much Vitamin D… And It Became Poisonous | Jennifer Cohen & Robby | DSH #1852

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour

Episode Title: He Took Too Much Vitamin D… And It Became Poisonous
Guests: Jennifer Cohen & Robby
Host: Sean Kelly
Episode #: DSH #1852
Date: March 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Digital Social Hour centers on personal wellness, biohacking, and the modern supplement craze—highlighting both the benefits and potential dangers (such as vitamin D toxicity). Host Sean Kelly dives into unfiltered discussions with guests Jennifer Cohen, an entrepreneur and podcast host, and Robby from therage, exploring their health regimens, skepticism around supplement trends, and the importance of authenticity and likability in today’s hyper-saturated digital world.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Dangers of Over-Supplementation: Vitamin D Toxicity

• Jennifer’s Personal Experience:
  Jennifer shares that, despite taking the commonly recommended dose of vitamin D (5,000 IU daily), her levels became excessively high—entering the toxic range.

  • "Like everyone else, I'm taking my vitamin D. I'm taking so much or have so much vitamin D, it's actually poisonous." — Jennifer (00:00)
  • She advises listeners to get regular blood tests and supplement only according to actual deficiencies (04:19).

• Robby’s Take on Vitamin D Science:
  Robby notes vitamin D is lipid-soluble, meaning it can build up in body fat and become dangerous if overdosed (00:06, 06:38).

  • "You can overdose on it because if you get to over 100, that's when it becomes detrimental." — Robby (06:39)
  • He criticizes standard FDA guidelines and claims newer research suggests higher optimal ranges (85–100 ng/mL), but warns against exceeding them.

• Dosing and Bloodwork:
  Everyone agrees on the importance of personalizing supplements—using bloodwork to guide intake, especially considering variable needs based on sun exposure and skin color (08:00, 06:57).

  • "I think that people are over supplementing themselves and what's happening is you're just either going to pee it out or...can be actually detrimental." — Jennifer (03:49)
  • "In order to do it properly, you should take a vitamin D scan or blood test." — Robby (08:00)

• Memorable Overdose Stories:
  Both Sean and Robby share stories of feeling physically unwell or wired after ingesting large doses of vitamin D or niacin respectively (11:11, 11:19).

  • "I took 25,000 ICU, right. I thought I was gonna die. I felt so bad, like my whole body tightened up." — Sean (09:46)
  • "Within a minute, I had what was called a histamine response...I said, Melody, call the medics. I'm gonna die." — Robby (11:19)

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2. Biohacking Trends: Nicotine & Vibrational Medicine

• Nicotine Use:
  Both Jennifer and the panel discuss the rise of nicotine as a cognitive enhancer—separated from the harmful effects of tobacco.

  • "What are the benefits of just doing plain nicotine...?" — Jennifer (01:18)
  • Robby notes: "Nicotine in itself is an amazing application and helps self regulate. Your autonomic nervous system...It creates a full chain of great physiological benefits." (01:32)

• Vibrational Medicine & Frequency-Based Health:
  Robby shares his belief in the future of vibrational medicine—using frequency-imprinted patches instead of ingestible supplements.

  • "We harness frequencies and then imprint them on these patches..." (02:25)
  • "Rather than carrying a suitcase [of supplements], just record those frequencies and put those patches on my body." (03:30)
  • Jennifer and Sean raise questions about placebo and efficacy (02:40).

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3. New Wellness Tech: "Thera Air" and Light-Based Mitochondrial Stimulation

• "Breathing In Light":
  Robby describes his latest device, Thera Air, which simulates early morning sunlight to infuse oxygen with light energy, aiming to boost mitochondria for focus and energy.
  • "We're actually powering your mitochondria. So people with chronic disease...just like, rather than Red Bulls...you're breathing light directly into your cells." — Robby (14:19)
  • Recommended usage: "Studies are 21 minutes a day, three times a week." (15:52)
  • You can't "overdose" on light/frequency therapies, he claims, because "your body absorbs what it needs." (16:08)

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4. Fitness and Success: The “Squat Rack > GPA” Philosophy

• Jennifer’s TED Talk:
  Jennifer proposes that the discipline and self-efficacy developed in the gym may contribute more to overall life success than academic achievements like GPA.

  • "Your squat rack is actually more important for your success than your GPA." (22:47)
  • Fitness teaches “discipline, delayed gratification, self-confidence, self-efficacy”—the types of skills that create lasting personal and professional success (22:48, 23:32).
  • Confidence must be earned through action, not simply affirmed or validated by others (24:35).

• On Limiting Beliefs and Self-Worth:
  Both Robby and Jennifer agree that consistently doing hard things (like lifting) shatters limiting beliefs and forges genuine self-confidence (24:26, 25:11).

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5. The Importance of Role Modeling and Learning Styles

• Modeling Behavior For Children:
  Lessons are most effectively learned through observation (role modeling), especially for kids.
  • “People learn 74% better by watching than just being told, especially children.” — Jennifer (25:56)
  • The importance of building mental strength in children is discussed as a focus of Jennifer’s other TED Talk (26:54).

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6. Standing Out in the Podcast Space

• Innovation and Originality:
  The group discusses the explosion of podcasting and the need for unique formats and authentic personalities to cut through the noise (17:54, 18:20).

  • "You got to innovate...You need to do something more original, or you're just going to get buried..." — Jennifer (17:54)
  • Both note that booking overexposed “big names” doesn’t guarantee downloads anymore.

• Creative Formats:
  Jennifer relays a story of hosting treadmill podcasts until competitiveness and safety concerns intervened, pushing her to dream up new “moving” formats (19:33, 21:18).

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7. Empathy, Enthusiasm, and Authenticity: The Core Pillars of Likability

• Power of Likability in Success:
  Jennifer emphasizes likability as a critical, underrated factor in success, beyond grit or talent—broken down into three building blocks:

  1. Empathy: “You need to show people you understand them…listen to them and see them.” (27:25)
  2. Enthusiasm: "People want to be around people who are enthusiastic...that's not being fake, it's attitude." (29:15)
  3. Authenticity: "People don't like fake. That's—the third [pillar]." (30:06)

• People Pleasing vs. Likability:
  Sean and Jennifer distinguish authentic likability from unhealthy people-pleasing, which can actually make one less respected or liked (28:29).

Notable Exchange

• “Confidence cannot be affirmed. It has to be earned.” — Jennifer (24:48)
• “I think likability is the most underrated, underutilized success skill there is.” — Jennifer (27:25)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• "I'm taking so much or have so much vitamin D, it's actually poisonous." — Jennifer (00:00)
• "You can overdose on it, because if you get to over 100, that's when it becomes detrimental." — Robby (06:39)
• "I took 25,000 ICU...I thought I was gonna die." — Sean (09:46)
• "Within a minute, I had...a histamine response...call the medics. I'm gonna die." — Robby (11:19)
• "You can't overdose on this stuff. You're talking about nature." — Robby, on light therapy (16:08)
• "Your squat rack is actually more important for your success than your GPA." — Jennifer (22:47)
• "Confidence can, cannot be affirmed. It has to be earned." — Jennifer (24:48)
• "I think likability is the most underrated, underutilized success skill there is." — Jennifer (27:25)
• "People don't like fake...Authenticity, that's—the third [pillar]." — Jennifer (30:06)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Vitamin D Overdose Story: 00:00 – 05:03, 06:38 – 09:06
• Vitamin D Science & Blood Panels: 06:06 – 09:06
• Supplementation Philosophy: 02:13 – 04:19, 08:00 – 09:06
• Nicotine & Vibrational Medicine: 00:49 – 03:41
• Robby’s “Thera Air” Device: 13:37 – 16:11
• Fitness and Core Life Skills (“Squat rack > GPA”): 22:47 – 25:11
• Role Modeling & Learning Styles: 25:44 – 26:54
• Likability Skills: 27:14 – 30:31

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Conclusion

Episode #1852 of Digital Social Hour explores the fine line between optimizing health and veering into dangerous territory, the power (and perils) of supplement culture, as well as bold perspectives on standing out in podcasts and life. Jennifer and Robby present personal stories, cautionary tales, and practical advice on biohacking and wellness—with insightful reflections on authenticity, confidence, and likability as core personal and professional assets.

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Actionable Takeaways:

• Monitor supplements using blood tests; more isn’t always better.
• Consider the root purpose—physical or vibrational—of your health interventions.
• Stand out via authentic, creative formats in saturated spaces.
• Build confidence and teach by example, not affirmation.
• Prioritize likability through empathy, enthusiasm, and authenticity.

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Transcript

[A]

Like everyone else, I'm taking my vitamin D. I'm taking so much or have so much vitamin D, it's actually poisonous. What? Yes.

[B]

Vitamin D3 is interesting to me because it's actually lipid soluble, meaning that your fat will store it. And the science on vitamin D, FDA suggests that the range between 35 and 50 is adequate, but the real science is suggesting that 85 to 100 vitamin D3 level is actually a way that you can change your internal body chemistry and that'll actually fight off pathogens. So in a sense, and I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I think that the fact that they're kind of downplaying the level, the public is generally taking vitamin D think that they're getting enough and they're really not.

[C]

All right, guys, here with Jen Cohen and Robbie from therage. Jen and I are on some nicotine right now.

[A]

We really are. I, I honestly, I never thought it would hit me so hard. I'm like, I'm like literally dying right now.

[B]

Well, that means that I'm the only stable one.

[C]

Have you tried it before? Have you dabbled with it? It's a hot thing right now.

[B]

I know I have, but, but I don'. Under the tongue or subliminal. I do the ones that are the patches. So you can actually target the nicotine to a particular area that you want to.

[C]

Got it. Yeah, it's hot right now. I know growing up that there was a negative stigma around it with the cigarette link, but now it seems like people are on it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. All the benefits are crazy.

[A]

What are, what are the benefits of just doing plain nicotine without. Of course, I think it's the tobacco that's the problem. Or smoking, of course, for your, for the inhalation of smoke. What are the benefits of just taking nicotine by itself?

[B]

Well, the smoking part, I mean, that's more on the addicting thing because you kind of get into like a somatic pattern where you associate the cigarette to having sex or good food or all that kind of stuff. So that's, you have to break that free association. That's a hard one because it's got an emotional bond to it. But on the physical side, nicotine in itself is an amazing application and helps self regulate. Your autonomic nervous system is one thing. And biochemically it has a real. Creates a full chain of great physiological benefits. Yeah.

[C]

What else are you taking these days?

[B]

Oh my God. Actually moving a little bit away from supplements and a couple of times that we've talked together, I Like this whole vibrational medicine thing, you know, I think that's the future. Yeah.

[A]

And so I. Vibrational medicine?

[B]

Yeah. So basically we harness frequencies and then we imprint them on these patches and things like that.

[A]

You gave them to me before.

[C]

I took one for pain and it worked exactly on my back and my neck, remember? Because I'm like sitting all day.

[A]

That's interesting. You know what? Because you did give me a bunch of those.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I couldn't tell if they were working because it's psychosomatic. Like, if you think something's going to work.

[C]

Placebo.

[A]

Placebo. Right. It's going to work. If not, then it doesn't. But what are. So let's talk about supplements. You don't take actual supplements now?

[B]

I do too many.

[A]

You take a million.

[B]

I thought, I know we do. And that's actually what got me on it, because I figured, well, hey, what is the real thing? Is it actually the supplement that's making the difference or is it the vibration and the frequency of the supplement? And it really comes down to the frequency. And so, you know, we're programmed in a sense to eat things, and through that digestion we actually get that nutrition or get that vibration. But it's really the ultimate part of digestion is the vibration. So if we can just record the vibration and put that in our bodies, then we don't really need all the food stuff and all that, which is, I think, where the movements going.

[C]

Please.

[B]

So my idea is basically take all the supplements that I. That I take, rather than carrying a suitcase with me wherever I go, is just record those frequencies and then put those patches on my body.

[C]

And I met someone here that is taking 185 supplements a day.

[A]

185.

[C]

He showed me the whole list and I was like scrolling through it. I'm like, oh, my.

[A]

See, to me there's been. I think what's happened, if you really want to know my opinion is I think it's become overkill supplements. I think that people are over supplementing themselves and what's happening is you're just either going to pee it out or it's just going to have no effect or can be actually detrimental. So what I would suggest for people is potentially maybe just getting their blood checked and their blood panels done more often. Maybe three times a year, four times, and then figuring out what they should be taking and then over only supplementing for that.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So why I'm even bringing this up is for me, you know, everyone talks about vitamin D. Vitamin D is like, everyone that's like the staple. And then so of course, like, like everyone else, I'm. I'm taking my vitamin D. And then what I found out was I've actually. My body is now. Or I'm taking so much or have so much vitamin D, it's actually. It's been poisonous.

[C]

What?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. You can get too much.

[A]

You can get. You can get poisoned off taking too much vitamin D. Yeah.

[C]

How many. What's the.

[A]

I was taking. I was taking 5,000 ICU. I was taking 5,000 ICU every single day. Because that's what every. Because that's the. The standard amount that people say. But now it's gone. Up to now, people are taking 10,000 ICUs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so you can actually. You can actually be doing your body harm. So I had to like, put. I actually stopped taking them. But I think the. The ones that. The ones I'm taking is Omega 3. I take creatine 5.5 milligrams a day. I used to. I started off with 2.5. Then of course, I take my NAD, but I only take NR, which is triniagen.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Have you ever.

[C]

I've seen that one. I feel like I might be a bit young for nad.

[A]

You are way too. How old are you? Yeah, you're too. Well, you look like you're 10, by the way. Yeah, that's like. So for. For like old people like me, NAD is like the hot thing, right?

[B]

Old.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm the senior at the time,

[A]

by the way. I mean, you know, compared to this guy here, I think we're all seniors. Right.

[C]

Biological age is what matters, right?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Something like that.

[A]

Right. Actually, no, not bio. How you feel. It's more like how you don't buy

[C]

into the biological age stuff.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I do. You do?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think there's some truth to it. I think people get carried away, though, a little bit.

[B]

But on the vitamin D thing, D. Vitamin D3 is interesting to me because it's actually lipid soluble, meaning that your fat will store it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. And the science on vitamin D, FDA suggests that the range between 35 and 50 is adequate. But the real science is suggesting that 85 to 100 vitamin D3 level is actually a way that you can change your internal body chemistry.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And that'll actually fight off pathogens. So in a sense, and I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I think that the fact that they're kind of downplaying the level. The public is generally taking vitamin D, think that they're getting enough and they're really not crazy.

[C]

Vitamin D story.

[B]

Finish your point and to your point. Yeah, you can overdose on it because if you get to over 100, that's when it becomes detrimental.

[C]

You were over.

[A]

I was over 100.

[B]

Yeah. And it has a lot to do with your skin color. So you're a little on the fair skin side. You, you tan a little bit, right?

[A]

I do.

[B]

It looks that way. So tanning is actually a chemical reaction by a skin cell that's called a melanocyte. Melanin actually gives you a tan. It's our natural way to filter UV light that creates vitamin D so that as the more sun exposure you get, the tanner you get, the more light you need in order for you to make the proper amount of vitamin D. So darker skinned people need more natural sunlight in order for them to make the same amount of vitamin D3 as someone that might be fairer skinned.

[A]

Well, how about this? That makes perfect sense actually to me. But what about liposomal? And also there's a couple things. The liposomal is a big thing right now to take it that way. The other thing is if you're not taking vitamin D even though it's fat soluble, if you just take vitamin D3 without K2 or without a fat like some kind of channel, what happens to it? Is it become. Can you even, can you even not digest it? But is even. Is it even being absorbed?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But that's the problem. The problem is is that, see, in order to do it properly, you should take a vitamin D scan or blood test, right? And people don't realize when they take a CBC or regular blood test, it doesn't cost anymore to ask for a viru vitamin D3 panel. So you just say, hey, add vitamin D. So then you have a, you actually have a baseline. Kabushi, you have a baseline. So you know where you're starting from. Then let's say you take 5,000 units a day. And then in three months you take another D3 test again and you see if you went from 40 to 50 or 40 to 60 or 40 to 80, you see how your body is actually metabolizing that D3. And then you know how to downregulate the amount you're taking. So that and wintertime we have less sun exposure and we're wearing like heavier clothing. And the way we get it naturally is through our skin pretty much, right? Because our skin is actually a photocell that grabs this vitamin D or the UV light and converts it. So during wintertime we should take more because we have less light exposure than during summer. Because generally speaking, you're wearing. Well, not you, Jen, because you're always wearing like you're always skin exposed.

[A]

I am. Okay.

[B]

That's good though. In a good way.

[C]

Really good way.

[B]

If you, if you have it, if you have it, you're supposed to flaunt it. Isn't that how it goes?

[A]

Is that right? I don't think I'm really flaunt wanting anything really. Right now I'm wearing jeans and a tank top. But. Okay, I'll take it.

[B]

Look at, look at the three of us. I've got more skin exposed.

[A]

Well, not by that much. He's got four more inches of sleeve than I do because I don't have

[C]

the muscle to flex. Well, yeah, but you know, when I start lifting more. Are you a squat rock? More.

[A]

Oh, right, the Scott. That's right. I did tell you about that. Yes.

[C]

Oh, one crazy story of vitamin D. I think I almost overdose once. Okay, so every blood test I've ever done, I've been super deficient. Like I just got one last month. I'm out of 24.

[B]

Okay, now what? Yeah, so it's really low.

[C]

So I took. Yeah, I know. I took 25000 ICU, right. I thought I was gonna die. Yeah, I felt so bad, like my whole body tightened up. You ate it or did you actually 5,005 of those?

[B]

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[C]

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[B]

Quantumupgradeio common once a week to take almost a hundred thousand. And they can take an injectable. Remember it's fat soluble, so when it's fat soluble. It means that it's stored in your fat and almost time releases your bloodstream.

[C]

Well, I didn't eat. It was on an empty stomach. I felt like I was gonna die. Yeah, I had to lay down the whole day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it like the nicotine?

[C]

Worse. If you could believe it.

[B]

I had that same experience with a niacin flush.

[A]

Oh, that's crazy too.

[B]

I went, oh, yeah. I told Melody, my wife, to just call the. Call the cleanse.

[C]

What is that?

[B]

Well, it's a way. It's a chelating way to pull poisons out of your cells. Like a way to detox.

[C]

So you had so much poison that.

[B]

Well, no, it was actually. I took too much. You're supposed to actually. Yeah, you're supposed to sort of step into it, you know. And I just said, hey, yeah, if it's. If a little bit's good, then a lot's got to be bad. Wrong. And so what happened? I said within a minute, I had what was called a histamine response. It was kind of like, you know those cartoons where you see like a therm. Thermometer and it's mercury and it goes all the way up and then it bursts out of the top. That's what I felt like. I said, melody, call the medics. I'm gonna die.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I mean, like, wow. The only time I've ever said that to her in my life. And I'm a Dr. Jekyll Hyde guy. Like, I experiment with all my technology on myself so that I can know how my body responds. And it's a good. It's a good barometer in a way.

[C]

You know, if you're selling products, you might as well take them, right?

[A]

Well, yeah, that's. That's a good one.

[B]

It is nice to stand behind the things you do.

[A]

100, 100.

[C]

I think it's important to be honest if you're selling health products. You gotta back your own product. Like, you gotta be using your own stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's your favorite health product right now?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

A lot of trends right now.

[B]

Being around you guys, that's what's giving them the energy. I'm really loving this new Thera air that we just came out with. We figured out a way to actually. It's called rainforest air. And basically what happens is in the rainforest, at the early part of the morning, a dew droplet forms, which is a single water molecule forms on a leaf. And then the sun rises and it restructures that single water molecule and Then it combines with air. The plant sucks that in. This is the way the entire plant kingdom on the planet actually converts sun energy through photosynthesis to plant energy. Right. Which is like a key to things that are happening. It used to be that technology which has 25 years of science on it. So it's like, for real. It used to be tied to, like, a bubbling water source type deal. But the problem with that is that it creates mold and bacteria forms on the water side. When I actually pulled it apart, I realized what was really happening was the light frequency was attaching to the. To the oxygen molecule, not to the water molecule. But there's H2O. So the O in H2O was where the light source was attaching itself to. So now we created a device, it's called therair, that doesn't use water. You take. It filters the air in the room. We run it over a specialized light frequency, or catalyst, which emulates the sun, that early morning sunlight, and it attaches that light to oxygen. And you sit there and you just breathe it. And so you're breathing light directly through into your body, into your cells.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

So everybody knows that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. What powers the mitochondria?

[C]

Light.

[B]

So we're actually powering your mitochondria. So people that have, like, chronic disease, chronic fatigue, like anything like that, just like, rather than Red Bulls. And I have nothing against the Red Bull, although I've never had one.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've never smoked a cigarette either.

[C]

That's impressive. Yeah.

[B]

Well, wow. Personal choice. Again, no judgment here. So I'm sure it's good for people that might be listening. It's all good. But the idea that we can actually harness light just by breathing. Imagine stacking that like you're sitting and reading, or you're sitting in sauna, or you're just hanging out watching TV and, you know, and just breathing in light directly into your body, directly into your cells. Like, most of the reasons why we have chronic fatigue or any kind of chronic ailment is because our cells aren't powered enough by their mitochondria to support our immune systems to fight off these diseases. So we're just reworking that equation. And I feel so strongly about this technology, like I did about infrared. I think it's the next big way right now. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Breathing in light.

[C]

That's a new one.

[A]

What kind of light, though?

[B]

It's a red light. No. Well, it's actually in that frequency. I can't. I Can't expose that today because it's actually part of the secret sauce.

[A]

It is.

[C]

Okay, that's happened at first.

[B]

Well, I don't know if you can patent sunlight, but I wouldn't like to divulge that right now.

[A]

So you can. So it's a. It is a very specific type of light.

[B]

It's a very specific frequency of light. They're measured in nanometers, so.

[A]

Interesting. So how much would you have to do a week?

[B]

The studies are 21 minutes a day, three times a week.

[C]

And your mouth has to be open like how does it work?

[B]

No, you just breathe like this.

[A]

Okay, so if it's 21 minutes three times a week, can you do one sitting at 60 minutes or 63 when

[B]

I do it an hour a day. So you can't overdose on this stuff.

[A]

You cannot.

[B]

No. You're talking about nature.

[A]

No.

[B]

Nicotine over creation. That's what I'm doing most of talking

[A]

now because you guys, both of us

[B]

are like, yeah, where am I? You know, and similar to the frequency medicine, like we were talking before, you can't like, you can take too many vitamins, like you experience. Right. You can't take too much frequency. Your body absorbs what it needs, what it doesn't need. Either Lets go if it, you know, if it's gotten completely saturated or you've had enough. It's a frequency. We're surrounded with frequencies.

[C]

Yeah, we can try that out.

[B]

It's the world we're in. Wow.

[A]

Do you have a question, John?

[C]

No, I'm just vibing. I'm on nicotine right now, Jen, what you've been up to. It's been like a year since I've seen you.

[A]

Oh my gosh. I mean, do we have time? I thought we only have like 15 minutes.

[C]

Three more minutes, I think.

[A]

You want me to tell you what I've been up to in a year in three minutes?

[B]

Yeah, you could do it. You could do it though.

[A]

You could do a lot.

[B]

Remember, you're on nicotine.

[A]

Yeah, I am on.

[C]

Nick it or not.

[A]

I'm doing a lot of stuff, obviously. I'm doing my podcast, Habits and Hustle, but I'm doing a lot of other stuff. I'm actually doing a lot of speaking these days. A lot, so. And I'm also creating a different A course and I'm doing a lot of like brand work and there's a lot of other things to go. But that nicotine honestly has hit me. I am so. I cannot be concise right now, but I'm always doing a lot of different things. I, I actually, I think that like my overall, like, I think what I like to do is always think of new ways to kind of iterate what I'm doing to make it better. So, like, right now I'm trying to. I'm going to be iterating the podcast. I can't tell you what I'm doing right now, but I'll, I'll tell you maybe next time we talk and I think we're doing another thing later.

[C]

That's how I'm thinking too, because there's so many pods now. You got to stand out.

[A]

Well, that's the thing. Like, I feel like everyone and their dog has a podcast now. There's, there's zero barrier to entry. And, and so I feel like unless you're doing something that's a little bit more unique and original, you're just going to get buried with, with the amount, because that's the problem. So how do you, how do you take something that's now become very, very typical for everybody to then make it a little bit more original?

[C]

You got to innovate because it used to be like you have a big name on guaranteed views, but it's not like that anymore.

[B]

But maybe it's a topic.

[A]

No, it's actually personalities.

[B]

Personalities.

[A]

I do believe, I do think that good content will always kind of rise to the top. But it's so noisy right now that you do need to have. You got to be tricky into how you can even get the noise to eliminate some noise around you. And it's not about having big names. I mean, you and I probably. You tell me what you think, but I can now if I. Just because you have a big name on your podcast does not mean you're going to get downloads. Doesn't matter.

[C]

Actually, my most viewed episodes are not

[A]

big 100, I was going to say, but me too. In fact, actually, if I see somebody is too overexposed, I don't want them on my podcast because what you've been. What I've noticed is if someone has a book coming out or something to plug or promote, they'll do like everybody. And then like that is the noise that I'm talking about. So besides just like not putting those people on your show and, and maybe find them more like gems and diamonds that are kind of unknown. What else can you do to iterate? That's the thing.

[C]

That's what I'm thinking about too. Yeah, I'm thinking about like standing episodes, walking in a park episodes, Sauna episodes. You got to get creative.

[A]

Well, that's. But now people are also doing all those kitschy things like doing podcasts and saunas. You know how I started this podcast? I don't even think you know. No, I was doing them on treadmills. So I had this. I have it like I had this deal where I had two Woodway treadmills facing each other like me and like basically here, one there.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

And we would walk and talk and what happened was. And so people started to get super competitive though, with me. So, like still taking your pre workout

[C]

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[A]

like, let's say a two. Then the person beside me be like, oh, she's on 2. I'll go a 2.1. And I'll be like, oh, he's on 2.1. I'll go to 2.2. And people were like, people were like passing out on the, on the treadmills. So like, we had to stop doing it because either people were tripping or they were passing out and it was super hot in the room.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think, I think that type of thing, at least it's visually different. Right.

[B]

So I got one for you. Trampoline. Do the jumps.

[A]

Do a trampoline. Oh, yeah. All right. Jump Sport 1. That's a great one. A trampoline one. I actually am thinking of going back on the treadmill, but doing it a little bit more. Doing it a little differently. I also don't, I don't want to be sitting for, for all those hours.

[C]

Sitting is the new smoke in the cell.

[B]

Right. Yeah. What was the new. What was your latest. Your latest. What was your latest TED Talk? That. That topic I thought was interesting.

[A]

Oh, that. Okay. So my. I've done, like. By the way, were you asking what I've been doing since I've seen. I've done two.

[C]

Those are no joke. You got to prepare for months because you got to memorize the whole thing.

[A]

You got to memorize the whole thing. It's like a whole thing. It's. It's. Yeah, it's a huge process.

[C]

That's why I haven't done it, you know? Have you done one?

[B]

Not yet. Talk.

[A]

Yeah, I've done. I've done two, actually. Probably. Yeah, I've done two.

[C]

Well done. I know. It's no joke.

[A]

No, and the last one, I mean, are we doing this again? Because I can tell you about it next time, because since we have to

[C]

leave, you said next guest isn't here, so go ahead.

[A]

Oh, the next guest isn't here. Okay. They stand you up.

[C]

They might be running behind.

[A]

Oh, shoot.

[C]

You know, they might be on nicotine. And also the whole one.

[B]

That's what Dave's doing. He's out there dosing everybody before they come in. So.

[A]

That's hilarious. Yeah. So my last TED Talk was called. Was basically. It hasn't even. It hasn't even come out yet. I recorded it, and it comes out in a couple months. But the whole premise behind I have a whole theory, my whole hypothesis in life is that your squat rack is actually. Can be. Is actually more important for your success than your gpa.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Yes. And this. And what I mean by that is I think that people start taking their fitness seriously, that the. The skills that you learn from that will supersede college, anything, anything else. Because you're learning discipline, delete, delayed gratifications, patience, self confidence, self efficacy. All the things that actually create someone who's successful. But not just successful financially. I'm talking both personally successful, professionally successful. Because I think those are, like, those are foundational things, skills that carry you through, through life.

[B]

And it's not being taught anymore. You know, like, it's not being.

[A]

No, it's not about squats. It's about the idea that it doesn't have to be squats. The idea was.

[B]

That's a metaphor.

[A]

That's for a metaphor. The squat rack was just a metaphor. But the idea is that if you have to. You train yourself to do things that are hard day in and day out, that becomes your normal. It teaches you to kind of push through when Times are tough. But what it also does is that it gives you a sense of self worth and a sense of self confidence because you are proving to yourself the reason why people lack confidence in the world is because usually, not always, but usually is because they're not following through on the things that they say they're going to do, the tasks they're going to give themselves. And if you can prove to yourself that you can do hard things and you follow through on things that you say you want to do, going to do that breeds a sense of confidence that you can't get, you can't buy.

[C]

So I love that I lacked confidence growing up. So that's relatable.

[B]

Yeah. You know, the other part to that too, that I think is important is, and we all have it is sort of limiting beliefs.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so you shatter those limiting beliefs when you start proving to yourself you can do things that are outside what you thought were your limitations before that.

[A]

The thing also is, I think we're living in a world where everything is about affirmations and external validation. And the reality is confidence can, cannot be affirmed. It has to be earned.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And that's the truth. Like you have to earn self confidence. And the only way to do that is through yourself. If I. You can't look at someone else to kind of give you a sense of self worth, self, Self esteem and self confidence. And how do you do that? You do that by again proving to yourself that you can do things that you otherwise thought you couldn't and doing them over and over and over again.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and the other thing is, I think also when you get physically strong, you get mentally strong. And I think there's a, that, that big, that is the cycle that works. And I've used myself as an example. Right. Like I, I was the guinea pig, my life doing that. And I think, you know, I think that all. As you were a guinea pig in what you do, I think that you have. That's the best people to teach you or when they have to do it themselves. I'm sure with you, whatever you're, whatever what you do is because you had something that you had to work through and now you're teaching other people.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But you know too, you're also modeling a behavior. You're publicly talking about it, but even internally within your own family structure, your kids see what you do and then they become an example of that.

[A]

Well, everything is role modeling. Right. But people learn. I think there's a stat that people learn 74% better by by watching or, or visual than they do by you just telling them, Especially if they're kids. Right, yeah. So if you want your child to be, to act a certain way or be a certain way, be the model for that.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Right. It's not, it's so. It's like do what I do, not what I say.

[B]

I think they say like 20% of what you hear is what you retain. Oh, yeah. But actually not that I'm very visual based myself and what I do.

[A]

Yeah, Very, very important.

[C]

I'm pretty audio based.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But I know people that are visual. I think everyone has learning styles. Right?

[A]

Everyone has learning styles, but specific. I think children's. I think children especially though, I mean, listen, they, they hear everything, but what they actually see is much more. They, they retain that. Much more than just like saying something over and over again.

[C]

Right.

[A]

The other talk I did was how to build mental strength in children. That was the other TED talk I did before that.

[B]

Yeah, I love that one. That's great.

[C]

What a great topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, well, the nicotine guys here. No, I'm just kidding.

[B]

There we go.

[C]

Oh, let's end off with power of likability right now.

[A]

Yeah, that's a big. This. Is that a big topic? This is a massive topic. Yes.

[C]

All right, we'll save that for the next one then.

[A]

Okay, so we could talk with it now. We could do it now or later. Whatever you want.

[C]

You want to touch on it. How important do you think it is to be likable?

[A]

I think likable is the most underrated, underutilized success skill there is. I think that there are people, you know, you could have. You could be the grittiest, most, most aggressively driven, ambitious person in the world. But if you're not likable, nobody's going to want to work with you. No one's going to want to help you, no one's going to want to promote you. So if you. I think likability is a skill and I think if you want to be successful again in life, you need to be likable. And then there's there. And then I break it down into what makes somebody likable. I think likability is a soup of a lot of different qualities, but I think there are three things that stand out. The first is empathy. I think if you want people to, like I said, like you and, and want to help you and want to support you, you need to show them that you, not only you understand them, you don't have to agree with them, but you need to, you need to understand them, listen to them and see them. Yeah, I think activism is very, very important. And I can go on and on if.

[C]

Yeah, I think it's important. You don't want to get too carried away because I was a big people pleaser growing up.

[A]

Oh, that's. But, but being a people pleaser is very different actually. People pleasing makes you unlikable.

[C]

And that was what messed me up because I thought it made people like me, but it didn't.

[A]

It didn't.

[C]

I got no respect for doing that.

[A]

Right. And so you. The whole. There's a, There is a fine line between being likable. Right. And being a people or not even likable about being nice and being a people pleaser.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And being kind and being a people pleaser. Nobody wants to be around a people. I think it's like a turn off

[C]

actually, more than anything these days.

[B]

Well, you know, the download I got when I was listening to you just now was like, to what extent do you go to try to be likable? Like, some people really go too far to an extreme.

[C]

They fake it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, they. But I think that that's not, that's not sincere likability. I think. Let me just finish what I think makes somebody likable and then we can kind of take. So empathy is the first. The second thing I think is enthusiasm. I think people want to be around people who are enthusiastic. And you have to. And that's not being like fake or being just like Mr. Positivity, but it's about like, attitude. There's a lot of things we can't control in life, but the one thing that we can is our own attitude. Right. I can't control it. You do. You can't control. I do. But how you show up and how you. And how you kind of present yourself to the world, have, Have a good attitude. That's the other one. Enthusiasm, empathy. And there's one more. Do you want to know what that is?

[C]

What is it?

[A]

Well, you tell me. What do you think?

[C]

Is it effort? What is it?

[A]

No, what do you think it is?

[B]

Well, I like being authentic.

[A]

Authenticity.

[C]

Oh, I should have known that.

[A]

Yes. Authenticity. That's. That is. Those are the three. So again, people don't like, fake. Right. I. And, and by the way, think about for yourself, right? When you, when you gravitate or when you think about someone that you like, what are the things that kind of. Are you kind of like that you kind of like psychologically or like.

[C]

Definitely authenticity, you know, Right.

[A]

People.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

People don't like phony. And so authenticity is a third one.

[C]

That's like my most important thing when I'm evaluating someone. If they're being truthful, honestly or just

[A]

are being real, like you don't have to agree with them. You don't have to even like you don't. You can be very polar opposite. But if you know that they are being who they are, I think that in itself just gives them like a feel. You, you like them more.

[C]

100, right?

[B]

Yeah. It also adds a little more credibility to discussion.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

100 yeah.

[C]

Well that was fun guys. Let's wrap this up and get into the next one. Thanks for coming on guys.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Okay, check them out guys. Peace. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.