HEATED White Privilege Debate Goes Off The Rails Fast

Summary

Digital Social Hour – "HEATED White Privilege Debate Goes Off The Rails Fast"

Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Austin and Bo
Date: April 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode plunges listeners into an intense and often chaotic debate on white privilege, reparations, systemic racism, and the legacy of slavery in America. Host Sean Kelly moderates as guests Austin, a self-described Christian populist, and Bo, a right-leaning commentator, clash over the validity and impact of reparations, the role of contemporary policies like DEI (Diversity, Equity & Inclusion), and what 'equality' really means in today's America. The conversation covers generations of racism, legal inequities, economic disparities, cultural narratives, and the intersection of race and faith—with both guests refusing to pull punches.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Framing the Debate: Historical Context & Generational Impact

• Austin argues that Black Americans are singular in U.S. history for having their skin color codified as the basis of systemic oppression. He ties the need for reparations to demonstrable, lasting economic and legal impacts: redlining, Jim Crow, lack of wealth accumulation ("My ancestors built this country and didn’t get paid for it.") [00:01, 00:41, 04:43, 08:59]
• Bo contests this premise, asserting that there is "white male stigmatization" today due to DEI and affirmative action, and challenges the idea of modern reparations to descendants rather than victims ("You were never enslaved. I was never a slave owner. You don't deserve reparations.") [00:23, 01:19, 09:01]

Notable Exchange

Austin: "There is no other ethnic group in the history of this nation that had the color of their skin defined as the basis upon which they were stigmatized and used as a tool, not a person to be respected." [00:01]
Bo: "And you're not true. For the last 10 years, they have been stigmatizing straight white males and basically keeping them out of universities jobs and moving up in careers because of it." [00:23]

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2. Economic Disparities & Policy Legacy

• Austin presents data: median white household wealth is 6–10x higher than Black households; the homeownership gap is at least 30 percentage points; historical government policies (GI Bill, Homestead Act) overwhelmingly favored whites. He cites multi-generational disadvantage due to these policies that remain "not self-correcting." [04:43, 06:46, 18:11, 53:40, 76:39]

• Bo disputes the present relevance, arguing, “You've had the economic ability to move for the last hundred years almost. And guess who's outperformed you? Asians, Hispanics, Indians…” He pushes for a "majority privilege" framing instead of "white privilege." [15:06, 29:08]

Notable Quote

Austin: "It's a cruel jest to say to a bootless person that we need to lift ourselves by our own bootstraps." [08:13]

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3. Reparations: Who Should Receive What—and Why?

• Austin differentiates his view from maximalist cash payouts, advocating for targeted programs: homeownership assistance, business credit, and a federal task force. His justification hinges on the “demonstrably provable” generational harm and the government’s direct role. [08:51, 16:41]

• Bo probes inconsistencies: "So what happens if you have one white parent and one black parent, do they get less?" and repeatedly frames Austin's position as "victimhood" and "coveting." He insists present-day people aren’t responsible for ancestral sins. [16:09, 35:05, 83:10]

Notable Exchange

Bo: "I would even go back to the biblical... the son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son." [10:54]
Austin: "That's not talking about government institutions... My entire argument is based around the principles you brought up." [11:00]

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4. Faith, Morality & The Bible

• Both guests invoke Christian doctrine to challenge or support reparational logic:
  • Bo: "To take from others is exactly what reparations is."
  • Austin references the 'Year of Jubilee' as biblical precedent for reparations: "Every 50 years, all debts would be wiped away in Jewish culture. That’s literally a biblical principle." [39:54, 39:56, 53:41, 84:16]
• The exchange becomes personal, with each accusing the other of misinterpreting scripture and what it means to be a Christian in the reparations debate.

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5. DEI, Structural Discrimination, and Modern Policy

• Bo claims white males are now systemically disadvantaged due to DEI, pointing to white hiring rates at Fortune 500 companies and anecdotal stories. [14:30, 20:17, 21:23]
• Austin and Sean invoke facts: "Black applicants, 35% approval rate. White applicants, 64% approval rate on SBA." Austin claims the impact of DEI on Black employment is vastly overstated: "Black Americans made up 3% of all DEI hires across this country." [19:04, 20:01, 20:53]
• The debate over whether DEI is correcting an imbalance or creating new unjust advantages is continuous and unresolved. [21:23, 22:09, 36:21]

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6. Crime, Incarceration, and Systemic Racism

• Austin introduces data on Black Americans' increased risk of wrongful convictions: "Black people are seven times more likely to be wrongfully convicted of murder than white people." [44:56, 45:01]
• Bo initially accepts the data, then pivots, blaming “psychological issues” and family structures within Black communities.
• Austin counters: “When people do not have basic resources, they tend to crime... especially if they have been so economically subjugated.” [45:31]

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7. Defining Equality vs. Equity

• The distinction between 'equality' (same opportunities/resources) and 'equity' (support adjusted for outcome) becomes a critical battleground, with Sean fact-checking definitions live.
• Austin: "Do we have equality of opportunity in this country?"
• Bo: "I would say black Americans and minorities have better resources right now than white Americans."
• Both argue over whether unequal outcomes (e.g., homeownership rates) signify inequality of opportunity or reflect other factors. [73:00–73:35]

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8. Emotionality & Accusations

• The debate is repeatedly derailed by mutual interruptions, accusations of “victimhood,” “fragile ego,” “racism,” and even using the podcast for viral clips rather than honest debate.
• The tone is confrontational, and both participants admit they did not expect to change each other's minds.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Austin: “My ancestors built this country and didn’t get paid for it... They are owed a little bit of brain it. Period, point blank in the story.” [41:15]
• Bo: “That’s the case. What I’m talking about, you’re a victim.” [41:40]
• Bo: “I want you to put every... every day I want you to wake up and put your front foot forward. I don’t want you to seize the day. I want you to colonize it.” [94:15]
• Austin: “This is the craziest shit I have heard in 30 years of life. You are telling me to be grateful... for somebody doing shit they should never have had to do in the first place?” [66:33]
• Sean: “Black applicants, 35% approval rate. White applicants, 64% approval rate on SBA.” [19:04]
• Austin: “This is exactly why black people can say we have to be twice as good to get half.” [88:59]

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Important Segments with Timestamps

• [00:01–00:45]: Austin outlines the core experience of Black Americans; debate erupts over contemporary ‘white stigma’.
• [04:43–06:46]: Austin details disparities and historical federal policies disadvantaging Black Americans.
• [10:54–12:12]: Biblical justification and the ‘sins of the father’ argument.
• [18:05–20:35]: Homeownership rates, DEI, economic comparison by race.
• [35:05–36:39]: The Bible, government, and reparations—scriptural showdown.
• [44:56–46:41]: Incarceration disparity data; systemic racism in the justice system.
• [53:40–56:49]: Home valuation and race—what if the same house is owned by different races?
• [73:00–74:51]: Defining ‘equality’ and ‘equity’—Sean provides the dictionary distinction.
• [76:39–78:26]: DOJ settlement for modern redlining: direct evidence of ongoing structural discrimination.
• [92:59–93:54]: Closing statements—accusations, summary, and ideological standoff.

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Tone & Language

• The debate is unfiltered, frequently heated, and personal.
• Both guests use strong, explicit language, rapidly escalate from abstract arguments to personal accusations (“narcissist,” “victim,” “cultural Marxist,” “racist,” etc.).
• Both deeply personalize the struggle ("My dad is my hero," "What did my people build?").
• The tone fluctuates from combative to occasionally sardonic or mocking (e.g., the “reparations cologne” joke).

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Conclusion

For Listeners:
This episode is a vivid, unvarnished look at the passionate, often hostile fault lines in America’s ongoing conversations about race, history, policy, and privilege. Both guests lay bare anxieties and ideologies present in the broader public, with frequent calls for fact-checking and self-education. Expect little consensus, but plenty of rhetorical fireworks.

Further Exploration:

• Redlining: DOJ and HUD documents
• Homeownership and wealth data: U.S. Census, Economic Policy Institute
• Employment disparities: Bureau of Labor Statistics
• "Year of Jubilee" and biblical references: Leviticus 25
• Impact of DEI: Fortune 500 diversity data

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Host Sean Kelly’s Final Words:
Encourages reviews, stress-testing the podcast’s mission of bold, uncomfortable conversations.

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Listen if you want:

• Raw, real-time argument over race, reparations, and privilege in America
• Examples of how statistics, history, and faith are invoked (and weaponized) in debate
• Insight into the personal beliefs and emotional stakes behind both progressive and conservative outlooks on racial justice

Transcript

[Austin]

I'm going to say something. There has been no other ethnic group within the confines of the history of this nation that had the color of their skin stigmatized like black Americans did. Not one. So let me say that one more time for the camera. There is no other ethnic group in the history of this nation that had the color of their skin defined as the basis upon which they were stigmatized and used as a thing, as a tool, not a person to be respected.

[Bo]

And you're not true. For the last 10 years, they have been stigmatizing straight white males and basically keeping them out of universities jobs and moving up in careers because of it. And the thing is, all the reports are coming out right now.

[Austin]

Mason, let me get this. Let me get this. Wait, wait.

[Bo]

But you just had a great monologue.

[Austin]

You do know that at one point it was illegal to even teach slaves to read. It was illegal to even issue birth certificates.

[Bo]

I understand you never went through that. Why should I pay you for it?

[Austin]

Listen, my daddy was born in 1965. He and his mother. Let me be clear. My grandmother went through. Saw Dr. King give the I have a Dream speech. Shirley Franklin saw Dr. King give the I have a Dream speech. So they were alive during the time that the lasting economic impact of slavery and redlining and Jim Crow and segregation and the lack of real estate access had direct impacts on black Americans. So it may not. We may not have been in the fields, but we were still suffering the economic disparity of impact from policies that were hundreds of years old.

[Bo]

And now white guys are suffering economic impacts because of what you guys have done for DEI for the last 10 years. I'm actually shocked.

[Austin]

Black people only made up 3% of all DEI hires. What are you talking about?

[Bo]

I know. It actually benefited white women the most. Didn't it benefit my people? I was talking about. About white men. You were never enslaved. I was never a slave owner. You don't deserve reparation.

[Austin]

And if you're a white man in America and you are suffering or you're poor, that is your misuse of your privilege.

[Bo]

Same if you're a black American.

[Austin]

How that's impossible if that's true.

[Bo]

See, this is why you're a victim. You think people are still holding you back and you're free American.

[Austin]

Who are you to tell black people they don't deserve something off some they built.

[Bo]

What did you build?

[Austin]

My ancestors built this country.

[Bo]

And so did mine.

[Austin]

Each one of us got paid.

[Bo]

Are you special? Are you autistic?

[Austin]

Your ancestors got paid, didn't they.

[Bo]

Well, then you're stupid.

[Austin]

No, you stupid. For the. You just said a civil war between people that live in the same country.

[Bo]

Can you listen?

[Austin]

Can you say something with some substance?

[Bo]

Are you capable of listening?

[Austin]

I'm capable of listening.

[Bo]

So then just shut up for a second.

[Sean]

Guys, we got another debate today. We got Austin off script and Bo here today. We're going to be debating reparations. If either of you guys feel like the debate gets out of hand, just raise your hand. I'll step in. Or you could say appeal to moderator. We're going to start off with a video, which is why we're debating here today. So play this video.

[Austin]

I'm going to say something. There has been no other ethnic group within the confines of the history of this nation that had the color of their skin stigmatized like black Americans did. Not one. So let me say that one more time for the camera. There is no other ethnic group in the history of this nation that had the color of their skin defined as the basis upon which they were stigmatized and used as a thing, as a tool that Not a person to be respected.

[Bo]

And even. Not true. For the last 10 years, they have been stigmatizing straight white males and basically keeping them out of universities, jobs and moving up in careers because of it. And the thing is, all the reports are coming out right now.

[Austin]

Let me get this. Wait, wait, wait.

[Bo]

But you just had a great monologue.

[Austin]

You do know that at one point it was illegal to even teach slaves to read. It was illegal to even issue birth certificates.

[Bo]

I understand you never went through that. Why should I pay you for it?

[Austin]

Listen, my daddy was born in 1965. He and his mother. Let me be clear. My grandmother went through. Saw Dr. King give the I have a dream speech. Shirley Franklin saw Dr. King give the I have a dream speech. So they were alive during the time that the lasting economic impact of slavery and redlining and Jim Crow and segregation and the lack of real estate access had direct impacts on black Americans. So it may not. We may not have been in the fields, but we were still suffering the economic disparity of impact from policies that were hundreds of years old. So.

[Bo]

And now white guys are suffering economic impacts because of what you guys have done for DEI for the last 10 years. I'm actually shocked.

[Austin]

Black people made up 3% of all do hires. What are you talking about?

[Bo]

I know. It actually benefited white women the most, didn't it? Right?

[Austin]

It benefit my people.

[Bo]

I was talking about white men.

[Sean]

Okay, so that was from a jubilee two on Two debate, right? You guys did a few months ago.

[Austin]

Yeah, that was from Jubilee's roundtable. And that video, that particular clip has 1.5 million views now on my Instagram. Wow.

[Sean]

And I'm sure other people reposted it too, so probably got a lot more.

[Austin]

I'm still getting comments as we're doing this debate right now. We speak. So yeah, that clip was viral. But I mean, Bo, I give you the floor to open up. Open up.

[Bo]

No, I would like to ask you a question and just lay it out the best you can. Why do you think you deserve reparations?

[Austin]

Because the economic impact of slavery and Jim Crow still has a net negative impact that is demonstrably provable for black Americans in this country today. When you look at the. For example, and I have some notes that I've already written down here, Federal policy discrimination going as far back as, just as close to the 20th century. Redlining via homeownership, lines of credit, federal housing agency maps systematically denied black families access to mortgages. Home ownership, wealth building through property GI Bill benefits were disproportionately inaccessible to black veterans. And median white household wealth today is six to ten times that of black households. And that varies by data set per year. But the homeownership gap remains large by 30 percentage points. And these are not random disparities. They track historically enforced exclusion. And the fact of the matter is that the black people, black people in this country did essentially free labor for 246 years via slavery. That was then compounded by another 100 plus years of racial discrimination codified purely on genetics. And black people contributed over $233 billion again as slaves to the United States economy that we were never recompensed for. And I couldn't call myself a conservative, a Republican, anything of the sort without.

[Bo]

You're not.

[Austin]

Well, you can say that, but tell me what a Republican.

[Bo]

I would say a Republican is somebody that has conservative Christian values that would lean more towards self regulation rather than government regulation. Less taxes, less lobbyists, less government control. And when you're going for reparations, that's more taxes. But before we get off on that, I want to ask you a couple questions regarding your opening statement. When did redlining end? When did segregation end? That's been over 60, 70 years at this point and you guys are still talking about it. So I just curious to know. Those things ended and you actually never experienced them. So I'd like to know why you deserve reparations. I understand why they might deserve reparations. But I want to know why you deserve reparations.

[Austin]

Well, let me define. Let me first set a baseline. When I define reparations, I am not talking about getting what Dr. William Darity said that black Americans would be entitled to, which is $250,000. I think that would create a situation where the US couldn't pay that debt. It's impossible. However, you just said it yourself. Segregation ended about 60 years ago. Women in the United States began full autonomy in 1975. Martin Luther King was killed. In 1960.

[Bo]

They got the opportunity to vote after black men.

[Austin]

Well, right. That's not my point. My point is that the average lifespan of a human being is around 70 to 80 years, give or take. So you just admitted that if the civil rights movement ended only 70 years ago, that means that some of the lasting generational impacts of these, of Jim Crow, of slavery, can still be felt today. Which is why my grandmother would deserve reparations. She's still alive. My father was born in 1965. I would argue that he and my mother deserve some form of reparations. And I would argue that the children of these people deserve them. Let's be very clear that during the founding of this nation, the. With the passage of The Homestead Acts, 200 million acres of land were given to white European peasant farmers. They were then enhanced by giving them county acres.

[Bo]

Say that again.

[Austin]

The Homestead Acts were passed shortly after slavery started in the United States. What they did was give away 240 million acres of land in the west and the Midwest.

[Bo]

They just gave them away?

[Austin]

Yes, in an effort to.

[Bo]

You mean people had to go stake their land and fight for it?

[Austin]

No, I mean the United States federal government created various multiple programs to enable white European peasants that. To come over to the United States. They were given land grants, and on top of that, they were provided county agents to learn to teach them how to farm. They were also then provided government subsidies to tell them to not to farm any further. And the descendants of these people to this day are still receiving federal subsidies not to farm. And these were the same people that are telling black Americans that we need to lift ourself by our own bootstraps. Now, it's a cruel jest to say to a bootless person that we need to lift ourselves by our own bootstraps. The.

[Bo]

You still haven't explained why you deserve reparations.

[Austin]

Well, you didn't allow. Well, let me first explain what. What my reparations program would look like. It would look like.

[Bo]

I just want to know why you think you deserve reparations because I'm the

[Austin]

descendant of people that built this country that would never pay.

[Bo]

So so am I. And I'm not sitting here claiming for reparations.

[Austin]

Wait, wait, wait. How are you.

[Bo]

I'm a descendant of people who built this country, too.

[Austin]

Yeah. And. Right.

[Bo]

And I just think you're being a little bit of a victim, and you're victimizing other people by claiming that you deserve something that you were never a victim of.

[Austin]

So let me ask you this question. Can you refute anything that I said from a legal perspective?

[Bo]

It's not about refuting it. It's about whether you deserve it.

[Austin]

Are you a Christian, Bo?

[Bo]

Yes.

[Austin]

Okay. So is it written? So since we're Christians, this is. This is interesting. So is it not written that you should do unto others that you would, as you would have them do unto you?

[Bo]

Yes. So if you think stealing people and giving it to yourself is what you would do unto others.

[Austin]

No, I think the white Americans stole free labor. Wait, did white Americans steal free labor? Black folks?

[Bo]

No, they bought it. They bought it from other African Americans that sold it to us. So, no, it wasn't other African Americans, Africans that sold it to us. So Africans, on what basis? Just remember this. Africans, through battles and everything else, captured other Africans and then sold them to the US they were purchased, not just stolen.

[Austin]

Right. I don't disagree with that.

[Bo]

Okay. And they were brought over.

[Austin]

There's a key distinction.

[Bo]

Can I just finish?

[Austin]

Go ahead.

[Bo]

I'll let you talk for a while. Go ahead. They were brought to the US they didn't know any languages. They didn't know anything other than they were. They were tools. And I do agree with you, and I think it was horrible that they did that, but it doesn't mean that they're eight generations later. You deserve reparations because of what your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great great great grandfather went through. And I would even go back to the biblical theories or the Bible. Just the Bible. Let's go back to the Bible. Bible, Deuteronomy, Jeremiah, Exodus, Ezekiel. That in similar form, the son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son.

[Austin]

Right. That's not talking about government institutions.

[Bo]

So when we're not talking about government institutions.

[Austin]

No, we absolutely are talking about government institutions. My entire argument is based around the principles you brought up.

[Bo]

Christianity.

[Austin]

Right.

[Bo]

So let's stick with the Bible.

[Austin]

Real quick. No, no, no, no. This country was founded supposedly on biblical principles. Now, my question. Wait, my question is the government of The United States of America. The Chief Justice Tanner stated that a black man has no rights, that he is a white man is bound to respect. That was one of the worst rulings in the Supreme Court history of this country.

[Bo]

I agree.

[Austin]

That then codify and the difference. Let me go back to what you said. You said that Africans sold conquered Africans into slaves. There's a key distinction. They sold slaves that were conquered in war. They did not create a caste based system based on a genetic factor of skin color. That's a key distinction that you are not gonna. I'm not gonna let you avoid that in this debate. So can you acknowledge that the Africans that sold conquered slaves were doing so under a different system? However wrong it may be? There is a key difference between selling someone into slavery and then codifying, which is what white Americans did. They created a caste system based around a non determinable, non self determinable genetic factor. That is what happened. The United States government then legally codified this shit to keep black people as tools to be used. This is why the Civil rights movement was so successful. Because all we were asking the United States to do was to treat us as what the white man was, which was human beings. Is that not what happened?

[Bo]

And guess what happened? We decided that you should be treated as human beings. In fact, bloodshed happened all over the country. One of the bloodiest, the bloodiest war this country has ever seen. They fought for your freedom and it's not enough. You still demand that. You want reparations and you want everything else eight generations later.

[Austin]

Because when you fought for our freedom, that's like asking a father to get father of the year for showing up to his son's basketball game.

[Bo]

No, nothing like that.

[Austin]

You don't get credit for doing what you're supposed to do. You should have never enslaved this based on skin color to begin with.

[Bo]

I agree with that.

[Austin]

So then what are we having a conversation about, Bo?

[Bo]

Well, clearly not, because you keep interrupting me every two seconds. So what I will say is bloodshed happened throughout this country in order to get your freedom. Is that, Is that you aren't thankful at all for that?

[Austin]

What kind of freedom did we get though?

[Bo]

You see, when you were no longer slaves.

[Austin]

Right, but what, what did we get? Land grants? Did we get back any sort of recommendation were white went right when we weren't slaves? I'll give you that. Were white slave owners compensated by the United States federal government for the loss of property?

[Bo]

Well, written in the 13th Amendment.

[Austin]

They weren't supposed to answer that question, Bo.

[Bo]

I am. If you would give me an opportunity to.

[Austin]

That requires a yes or no.

[Bo]

No, it's not.

[Austin]

We're white slave owners compensation. Oh, yes it is.

[Bo]

Can we talk about history?

[Austin]

That's what I'm having here.

[Bo]

Shut the fuck up.

[Austin]

You can say you're pissed because you know what happened.

[Bo]

I'm not pissed. I'm annoyed that you won't let me talk.

[Austin]

Go ahead.

[Bo]

Under the 13th amendment. It wasn't supposed to be, but yes, they were. You wouldn't even let me get to the yes before you interrupted. So yes, landowners were compensated. What's your point? Why do you deserve reparations? You're being victim.

[Austin]

Not only were.

[Bo]

You were never enslaved.

[Austin]

Not only were they.

[Bo]

You were never enslaved. I was never a slave owner. You don't deserve reparations. You haven't even discussed that there were black slave owners that enslaved black people.

[Austin]

There were.

[Bo]

Yes. I think there was anywhere between 3 to 4,000 black slave owners.

[Austin]

It was 4,000.

[Bo]

Like I said, 3 to 4,000.

[Austin]

Right.

[Bo]

And what about only 25% of the Confederate south owned slaves? So. So you think that all people, all white people should be reimbursing you eight generations later?

[Austin]

No, I don't. You keep making this about. See the white fragile male ego is real interesting because you keep making this about white people. What I'm looking at is the government institution. I didn't mention white people once outside of looking at who was committing the act. The United States federal government codified a legal caste system based around color. Now it just so happens that the ones that were occupying those seats happened to be Caucasians with the mountains of Caucasus. Your inability to acknowledge the fact that when this happened from one generation compounded across 200 plus years. If you're going to say, and sit across me and say that if you repetitively restrict someone's economic ability to move, that it doesn't have a net negative lasting impact that can impact gender.

[Bo]

You've had the economic ability to move for the last hundred years almost. And you. And guess who's outperformed you? Asians, Hispanics, Indians, People from the Middle east have outperformed you over and over again.

[Austin]

Why is that? Why is that, Bo?

[Bo]

Probably because they came here and they're not victimizing their slavery. Or maybe because they're holding it over everybody's head. Maybe it's because they stood on their boots and they made a life for

[Austin]

themselves and they were disabled to label themselves as immigrants and receive assistance from the United States federal government off the backs of the work that black people have been doing to cut to gain their own equivalent.

[Bo]

And you guys have to. These last 15 years with DEI and everything else that they've.

[Austin]

Are you really going to sit here and repeat that? 15 years versus 200 fucking 50. How insane can you be?

[Bo]

Why are you yelling? Why are you so upset right now?

[Austin]

For the same reason you wanted me to shut the fuck up. Because I'm not. And see, I'm not upset. I'm just holding.

[Bo]

You are upset to a.

[Austin]

To a standard that you want to run from. No.

[Bo]

I've asked you multiple times why you deserve reparations. You haven't been able to tell me. You basically said that because you are the eighth generation removed from slavery, you deserve it. And I got a question for you. Middle names, Julio. Are both your parents black?

[Austin]

They both are black.

[Bo]

Both are black. Are they both descendants of slavery?

[Austin]

They are.

[Bo]

So what happens with reparations? If you have one white parent and one black parent, do they get less? How does reparations even work in a system where there's. Can I just finish, bro? How does reparations even work in a society where just the government is written with fraud? Right now I am talking about how reparations doesn't work today. If it had happened back then, more than happy for it, but it doesn't work today. And let's have that conversation rather than go back eight generations and continue to complain about slavery.

[Austin]

Well, I already told you my reparations plan wouldn't be the $250,000. Obviously, you must have skipped that part. So what my reparations plan would look like would be offering home ownership assistance, offering business lines of credit, and actually looking at creating a reparations task force to analyze the current net negative economic impact.

[Bo]

But they're already doing business lines of credit. For example, in la, if you're a small business owner, you get the ability to get small business loans over white Americans.

[Austin]

Based on what? Data metric? What source do you have for that?

[Bo]

Actually, I can talk to. There was a woman that came into my bar that literally told me this. She's with the SBA loan offices in downtown Los Angeles.

[Austin]

So, once again, let me restate this. Median white household wealth is approximately six to ten times that of black households, and that varies by the data set or the year. Homeownership gap remains at 30 percentage points between white Americans and black Americans. This is directly due to redlining policies that. I hate to give her credit, but Jasmine Crockett brought this up. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has Brought this up. There are still economic vestiges of racist origist originated policies or racially originated policies that exclude black people from home ownership.

[Bo]

One of the greatest excluded immigration. Immigrants as well. You act like other people did not go through this.

[Austin]

What I'm saying is that. No.

[Bo]

Why. Why were they able to do better and you guys weren't? Once again, again, homeownership is up amongst white Americans because we're the majority.

[Austin]

Well, that. Well, then that would mean that. That's not really a valid data point because when you look at per capita homeownership.

[Bo]

So this is per capita. That what you're repeating?

[Austin]

No, what I'm looking at is nationally. But you're saying so.

[Bo]

So nationally, if we have 60% of the population, we would have more home ownership.

[Austin]

Right.

[Bo]

So you should be pulling from a per capita and not a nationally poll. Right.

[Austin]

The reason I'm pulling from a national poll is because there were who controlled this nation for a longer period of time. White or black Americans.

[Bo]

I would say white Americans. Yes.

[Austin]

Okay, so if white Americans controlled this country for a longer period of time, it would stand to reason that they could enact policies that could enable them to maintain their economic stronghold while systematically subjugating the economic ability to move for black Americans. Again, black people are the only race in this country. The only class of people in this country that were deliberately stigmatized based on color. Did that or did that.

[Bo]

That's not true.

[Austin]

Who else in this country was stigmatized purely.

[Bo]

You don't think other people don't have. Don't experience racism?

[Austin]

You're not answering my question.

[Bo]

I am. I'm asking you a question now.

[Austin]

You're the one yelling.

[Bo]

No, it's because you're talking over me.

[Austin]

Not really.

[Bo]

Yeah, bro.

[Sean]

I do have the approval rates on the SBA stuff if you guys want it.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Black applicants, 35% approval rate. White applicants, 64% approval rate on SBA.

[Bo]

Los Angeles.

[Sean]

This is national.

[Austin]

Read that one more time.

[Bo]

Los Angeles.

[Austin]

Yeah. No, no, go national first.

[Bo]

He read it. We don't need to hear it again.

[Austin]

So 64% versus 35. So more than. So more than you.

[Bo]

Do me a favor. Can you narrow that down to the last 10 years, or can you narrow

[Sean]

it down to, like, LA or for national?

[Bo]

For LA, mind you.

[Austin]

You want to narrow it down to the last 10 years because it makes your argument. No, when I'm looking at the national.

[Bo]

Because you're okay with racial discrimination as long as not happening against you.

[Austin]

No, I'm not. I never said I was okay with racism.

[Bo]

Well, then. Then why are you sitting here refuting my argument? Why can't we get down to the bottom two?

[Austin]

I said we can.

[Bo]

Okay. Do you ad DEI policies have advantage advantages towards black and minority groups?

[Austin]

Black people only made up 3% of the higher.

[Bo]

That's actually wrong. So I looked that up. Black Americans only made 3% of DEI hires within the DEI framework, which is

[Austin]

what I was talking.

[Bo]

No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is DEI black Americans only made 3% of DEI hires in diversity equity inclusion initiatives. They made up more hires when they were actually implemented into business practices and governments.

[Austin]

Based on what?

[Bo]

Data source based. Let's. Let's use the Fortune 500 only hired 6% of white applicants in 2021 with 60% of the nation being white applicants. That doesn't make sense. That obviously gave an advantage to black Americans and minorities.

[Austin]

This is why we need fact checks. Because every objective.

[Bo]

Look it up. You can look it up on your phone.

[Austin]

Every. Every measurable statistical data point that we have as of 2025 indicates that black Americans, white, or, excuse me, male or female, made up 3% of all DI hires across this country.

[Bo]

What you're saying that's not true? Because. So where are you getting that from?

[Sean]

What percentage of black hires were dei? You want me to look up what

[Austin]

you can look up for? What year did you just use? What year did you use? No, no.

[Bo]

So let's go back to what you had just said. You said black Americans only made up 3% of all DEI hires.

[Austin]

Right?

[Sean]

I'll look that up.

[Bo]

But it's actually 3% of DEI within the DEI framework. So people that had, for example, a DEI program in their business, only 3% of black Americans were hired for those programs.

[Austin]

And while we're at it, remind me what DEI exists for to begin with.

[Bo]

Why does DEI exist to begin Honestly, it's a racial component to try to disadvantage the white people and give advantages to minorities.

[Austin]

Disadvantage white people? They've had an advantage in this country for how many years?

[Bo]

So it's okay to disadvantage a group?

[Austin]

No, that's.

[Bo]

That's what you're saying.

[Austin]

So what.

[Bo]

That is actually. Actually what you're. What you're saying is okay to disadvantage a group because they've had the advantage for so years, which would be better if we gave everybody opportunity.

[Austin]

Wait, hold on.

[Bo]

Yeah, you're confused. I get it.

[Austin]

Not confused at all. I'm going to force you to admit how fucking stupid you sound. So white people in this country have dominated the Socioeconomic, economic and political power structure for 244 years. A economic corrective action like DEI is only meant to attempt to balance economic correction.

[Bo]

Why do you think, why do you think we've had control for the last 250 years? Because we've been a majority.

[Austin]

Because what do you think stole this land, subjugated it from the Indian?

[Bo]

And this is what I'm talking about. You're a cultural Marxist. We stole this land. No, we conquered it. That's way different.

[Austin]

It's the same shit.

[Bo]

It is not.

[Austin]

You discovered some shit that was already here, that people.

[Bo]

Nobody had control of the Indian people, Americas, ever. They were fighting. There were Indian nations fighting over each other. We didn't steal land, we conquered it. Way different. And you should owe a lot of thanks to people that colonize this land. In fact, you should own a lot of thanks to people that are white. You're wearing a suit that was invented by a white guy typing from a phone that used the Internet. Invented by a white guy. A phone that was invented by a white guy. You benefit from whiteness. So I'm really sick and tired of this argument that, oh, colonize this colonizer that.

[Austin]

If you go, I'm light skinned Bo. So if you go far back, what does that mean? If you go back far enough in my genealogy, I have white in me as well as black. The point I'm making to you is one, you, Columbus, discovered some shit that Native Americans were already living on. They killed the Indians. Yeah. Conquered the land. They still stole it. Not only did you steal the land, you then bring over slaves because you're too lazy to do your own damn work. Build your own White house. You have my people build it. Then you subjugate us and treat us as property for 244 years. Now, when we attempt to make corrective action. Let me finish. When economic action is contempted to be installed to correct a severely ridiculously high economic advantage that people with your skin tone have had for 244 years now. Oh my God, the white people are under attack. No, that's the fragile white ego. That's all it is.

[Bo]

This is why I also think you're racist.

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

Yes. Yeah, you are.

[Austin]

I'm honest.

[Bo]

You're extremely racist.

[Austin]

How?

[Bo]

Because you obviously hate white people.

[Austin]

I don't.

[Bo]

You're sitting here complaining about 250 years of subjugation. Doesn't mean you don't have any sort of biased or, or prejudice against them.

[Austin]

Is telling the truth biased?

[Bo]

No, it's not.

[Austin]

Okay then. So how am I being racist?

[Bo]

You're mad about 250 years of subjugation and you're willing to sacrifice equality and. And merit for the betterment of your people over others.

[Austin]

Never said that, Bo. Never said that. No, you exemplifying if somebody, your great great great great grandmother and then continued to do that to her grandchildren, didn't even claim the kids that they had with your grandmother then could kill someone that looked like you just because you were. Just because you were black, just because you were the wrong color. You don't. That would piss you off a little bit.

[Bo]

Do you not think that's happening in this country right now?

[Austin]

Can you answer that question?

[Bo]

Killing Irina Zarutska?

[Austin]

Can you? I'm not. I'm not. That has nothing to do with. I'll be honest.

[Bo]

I wouldn't know if my great great, great, great great great grandmother got r Ped. And to be honest, her being years ago, I wouldn't be complaining about it eight generations later.

[Austin]

What about. What about. What about the fact that a white. The you. When the white American government assassinates a civil rights leader for simply saying all we say to America is be true to what you're saying on paper?

[Bo]

That's wrong.

[Austin]

Okay, then. So if you know that that's wrong and that happened one instance times, times more than 40,000 that we. That. That's just documented, would you not be pissed at that? When the nation that your ancestors helped to build wouldn't even give you a fucking birth certificate, you wouldn't be pissed at that?

[Bo]

You got a birth certificate, didn't you?

[Austin]

I didn't. We're not talking about me. I'm talking about.

[Bo]

Did your dad not get a birth certificate? Did your dad not get a birth certificate?

[Austin]

What's your bo. What?

[Bo]

No, I wouldn't be.

[Austin]

You are not looking at the ontological origin of the problem.

[Bo]

That's not.

[Austin]

If you can't do that. If you cannot answer a question on him.

[Bo]

You sound like a 50 year old man that's mad at his dad for something.

[Austin]

No, my dad is my hero. I would never be pissed.

[Bo]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm using an examp. If you can't understand the example, I can't help understand it for you. You sound like somebody that's mad about your dad as a 50 year old. Like, oh, my dad was a mean guy. You're mad about slavery from 250 years ago. This is ridiculous.

[Austin]

So here's what.

[Bo]

You're a victim is what I'm saying.

[Austin]

So Are you going to say if I'm a. Okay, first of all, let's go. If. What about me is a victim, though?

[Bo]

You wanting reparations? And you've never experienced slavery. You've never experienced segregation?

[Austin]

I've experienced racism.

[Bo]

Can you give me an example of you experiencing racism?

[Austin]

Well, sure. When I was 17 years old, I was in. The American Legion puts on an oratorical contest every year. And I was the. I know for a fact I was the best speaker. And for the two years that I tried it, I made it to the semifinals. And the reason that I lost was because they said that they actually didn't. They didn't get. They didn't give a reason. I came in second place to a white woman purely because she was white.

[Bo]

How do you know that?

[Austin]

Because I asked the judges for the scorecards, and we had the same score. I'm sorry, I take that back. I was actually ahead of her by one point, and they gave it to her because they said my speech was not long enough. The length of my speech was long enough, which was a lie. It was two seconds over the needed time limit. So that's a direct example of racism. And in fact, what is so interesting is I know it was racist because, hey, some of the people who put it on.

[Bo]

That's wrong. And I'm sorry you went through that. That doesn't mean you deserve reparations. It doesn't mean every black American deserves reparations from something that happened over 100 years ago or 250 years ago.

[Austin]

Right. So how would you feel if it happened to your people?

[Bo]

It's happening right now, actually.

[Austin]

How?

[Bo]

I've already laid it out.

[Austin]

No, you didn't lay out. All you said was, you're so angry. Not angry.

[Bo]

You keep insulting me.

[Austin]

I'm not insulting you.

[Bo]

Yeah, you didn't lay out.

[Austin]

You. You did not present an argument that proved that white people, white males in particular, are understood. Let me tell you something. If you're a white man in America and you are suffering or you're poor, that is your own. That is your misuse of your privilege.

[Bo]

Same if you're a black American.

[Austin]

How. That's impossible if that's true.

[Bo]

See, this is why you're a victim. You think people are still holding you back and you're free American.

[Austin]

No, I don't.

[Bo]

I think you're doing pretty good. You wear a suit. You came here from Atlanta, Georgia, on a flight. You're probably going somewhere else in a day or two. In fact, I think the day I saw you at Jubilee. You weren't just flying here then. You were flying to San Francisco to meet up with your girlfriend, and then flying back to Atlanta. Seems like you're doing pretty well. So why are you so upset about things that happened 250 years ago? You're playing a victim is what I'm saying.

[Austin]

That's called working twice as hard to get half of what you deserve.

[Bo]

No, no, you're not. You're not working twice as hard as anybody. You look like you have a pretty cool life.

[Austin]

The reality? You have no idea.

[Bo]

Maybe you should learn to accept yourself.

[Austin]

I accept myself. Great. And that's part of accepting yourself, Bo, is being able to tell the truth. This is where I'm saying that what?

[Bo]

I've lied?

[Austin]

Well, you just said that white males are being currently oppressed, which is another.

[Bo]

Yes, they are.

[Austin]

If that's true, Bo, then here's a simple question. Isn't power an escape tool from oppression?

[Bo]

What is DEI dominates? What is dei?

[Austin]

Diversity? Equity.

[Bo]

And what does DEI do?

[Austin]

It is designed to. Well, its intent is to mitigate the socioeconomic, economic and political lack of power that black Americans have.

[Bo]

And what does that do?

[Austin]

It attempts to restore economic balance.

[Bo]

No, no, no. What does it do to white people? It basically excludes them from hiring, events and advantages in their own business or job.

[Austin]

If that's true, then let's just simplet's run the numbers. If what you're saying is true. So in 2026, who currently is more employed between black Americans and white Americans? Male and female? Looking at this is such a dumb

[Bo]

point, because you're asking ChatGPT when the population of white Americans is more than black Americans.

[Austin]

In fact, in order to have power, you have to have more of a population. And then your opponents. Correct.

[Bo]

In fact, I would not even say white privilege is majority privilege.

[Austin]

Right.

[Bo]

So why don't we call it that instead of white privilege?

[Austin]

So. So overall, white Americans are more likely to be employed than black Americans. And this has been consistently true for decades, including the last 12 years. Okay, but when you split by gender, it becomes a little bit more nuanced. White men have significantly higher employment rates than black men. Going from 2023 survey, Bureau of Labor Statistics, 67.9% of white men were employed, 65% of Black men were employed. But the long term gap states that there has always been, historically, at least a 5 to 10 percentage point drop between black males and white males. Black women are often. This is where we actually have some small advantage. Black women are often as employed or More than white women with 60.1% for black women, 55.9% for white women. Right now, black Americans are two times as likely to be unemployed as white Americans. So the di.

[Bo]

They're all spewing.

[Austin]

They're all not actually true based on the data. It is because black Americans are about 2.

[Bo]

You can read from ChatGPT, all you want is the Economic policy. Chat GPT is a racist.

[Austin]

The source on that Economic Policy Institute.

[Bo]

Great.

[Austin]

Is the Economic Policy.

[Bo]

I'm glad you were able to do that. Now look up the article. In 2021, when 6% of white Americans were or white applicants were accepted and hired by Fortune 500 companies.

[Austin]

I looked at.

[Bo]

So.

[Austin]

So are you going to say that the Economic Policy Institute is lying?

[Bo]

No, I didn't say that, did I?

[Austin]

So. Right, you didn't. So. So why are you now wanting to combine the story to study to 2021 when I gave you a wider range to prove my point?

[Bo]

Why did you not prove your point? There's plenty of. There's plenty of facts out there and plenty of stories and allegories coming from writers rooms in LA where they became more diverse and they stopped hiring white people. They stopped hiring white people for white jobs. In fact, you can't get hired at Netflix as a white man. They ask you if you're gay, black, whatever, pansexual, in order hired there. So don't sit here and say that it's not happening. And when I asked you what DEI was, you completely avoided the fact that it holds back white people on purpose. Why did you avoid that?

[Austin]

It did.

[Bo]

If it gives, I said, what it's intended. Listen, this is easy logic. If it gives an advantage to other people, like minorities, then it's holding back another group. Is that not true? Can. How is that not true? That's simple. Logical point.

[Austin]

No, it's not.

[Bo]

Yes, it is. Because if there's a program designed to give minorities a benefit, how does that not hold back another group that is just considered white?

[Austin]

You just refuted yourself with the key word minority. There is no way in the world that you can say that diversity, equity and inclusion programs, which are designed to mitigate and combat dei, exists because economic imbalance exists.

[Bo]

No, it exists because. And this is going back to you being a cultural Marxist. It exists because we live in a system.

[Austin]

Next.

[Bo]

It exists because we live in a system right now that's pushing towards Marxism more than anything, and it's taught through the institutions.

[Austin]

Marxism. Who's in the White House right now, A Marxist or Republican that I voted for this.

[Bo]

That's a bad example. That.

[Austin]

What's a bad example?

[Bo]

What you just stated is a horrible example.

[Austin]

How?

[Bo]

Because it doesn't matter who's in the White House doesn't mean the system isn't corrupt and wrought full of communist Marxists. In fact, we were sitting across from two communists just a month ago. So don't sit here and tell me it's not happening.

[Austin]

Was Xena or Mason?

[Bo]

Xena is a communist. A proud communist.

[Austin]

She. She is. But do Xena or Mason hold political power right now?

[Bo]

It doesn't matter.

[Austin]

It does matter.

[Bo]

No, it doesn't.

[Austin]

About power. I'm talking about real power. This is.

[Bo]

This is the problem is power doesn't matter because what is growing is a. Dude. Power is. How should I say it? So what is power?

[Austin]

Define power.

[Bo]

Power is who has control. And not necessarily control, but if we were to define power, power would be the person in the human experience is the power is who has control over someone else. Right?

[Austin]

No. Power is defined the free. The power is defined as the freedom to act uninhibited. That's all it is. The core definition.

[Bo]

Let's use that. So, power. What's your point with this whole power.

[Austin]

My point.

[Bo]

What I am saying is in the

[Austin]

last 10 years point is then not

[Bo]

a communist movement is happening in this country. A cultural Marxist movement. And we got off the track of you being a cultural Marxist.

[Austin]

Yes. Please tell me I'm a cultural Marxist.

[Bo]

Because you're sitting here pushing DEI talking points that are disadvantaging white Americans on purpose in order to create a more equal and equitable society.

[Austin]

So you do know that the book that you claim to believe in advocates more for equality and proper stewardship than it does the opposite, right?

[Bo]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean at the expense of others.

[Austin]

When Jesus of Nazareth said, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's, what was he talking about?

[Bo]

You tell me.

[Austin]

No, no. If you read the Bible, you have the notes.

[Bo]

I didn't say I read the Bible. I said it was a Christian.

[Austin]

What? Christian don't read the Bible?

[Bo]

I do read the Bible. I haven't been all the way through it.

[Austin]

Okay, well then. So Jesus. This is gonna be easier than I thought. So you're telling me that the God you claim to believe in. How much of the Bible have you read? Let's start there first. I'm a former atheist.

[Bo]

Let's just go ahead.

[Austin]

No, no, no. So when Jesus makes that statement what he's advocating for is you give the government what is due to it. You give God what is due to that. Show me anywhere in the Bible where God advocates the unjust taking of property from someone. Let's start with that.

[Bo]

I don't know.

[Austin]

It doesn't exist.

[Bo]

Okay?

[Austin]

It's not there. So what's your point? So my point is, if you call yourself a Christian, that means that the ontological basis of your worldview should be led, directed and foundationally guided by that book.

[Bo]

So what you have proven, given what you've just said. No, let me. Let me get in here.

[Austin]

Now you want to get in because now I'm going to kick. Now I'm going to show you why. I know you're from.

[Bo]

What, bro? The argument makes sense. No, given what you just said. To take from others is exactly what reparations is. You said property.

[Austin]

No, I said can you show me anywhere where God. No, I'm going to repeat what I said. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where God justifies the taking away of property from someone that is innocent? That's. I don't know.

[Bo]

Where does it do that?

[Austin]

It's not there.

[Bo]

So then why would you take money away from other people? To give to others and. Or give them advantages over other people in a society?

[Austin]

I'm not taking away money.

[Bo]

Yes, you are. You're actually advocating. No. Your reparations plan was to give people home ownership or better. Better loan opportunities. Taking it away from other people. You don't get priority. You get equality. That's what's fair.

[Austin]

I'm asking for equality.

[Bo]

I know you're not. You want to be in control of what other. This is a bad example.

[Austin]

You know who ADAM Clayton Powell Jr. Is?

[Bo]

No.

[Austin]

He was a U.S. congressman. That was. He's probably for. At one point in the 60s, he was the most powerful black man in America. And he gave a very simple speech on black power. He said, black power means black dignity. It means we don't want any more than you have, but we're not gonna take any less than what you got. That's it. That's all black people in this country have ever advocated for.

[Bo]

That's all we've ever wanted at the expense of others. That's what DEI is.

[Austin]

No, you keep. Bo. I need you to get out of the frame of mind that this is about white men, white women. Get out of that. This is about the United States federal

[Bo]

government and the federal government instituting DEI practices across the entire country, which is cultural Marxism.

[Austin]

No, it's not.

[Bo]

Yes, it is.

[Austin]

Did the United States federal government pay Japanese Americans $80,000 after they were legally internally.

[Bo]

Yeah. Directly to people that were in the encampments, not eight generations later.

[Austin]

Why didn't we get it? My point is this. Why did we not get the reparations when we were. When we were set free? Because what we really.

[Bo]

Andrew Johnson decided that was a. A Confederate simp. No, it was Johnson. There was a Confederate sympathizer that came in after Lincoln decided that he didn't want to give you guys your 40 acres and a mule, and that's why you didn't get initial reparations.

[Austin]

And who was he?

[Bo]

A Democrat.

[Austin]

Right. What color was his skin?

[Bo]

That doesn't matter. See, you're the one that keeps saying, oh, it doesn't matter about the color skin. And you're the one that keeps bringing it up. I'm demonstrating white people have power, yada, this yada.

[Austin]

But you're the. You're not demonstrating anything when controlled by. It just so happens that when controlled by white people, it was a white man that made that decision.

[Bo]

Yeah, and Lincoln made the decision to free the slaves.

[Austin]

Yeah. He also made the statement that if he could keep the Union together without having to free one slave, he wouldn't. He would have. He would have done it, but he didn't go to war.

[Bo]

And then. I'm not worried about what, bro, It's. And then thousands of people died for your freedom. And you are ungrateful.

[Austin]

Thousands more of my ancestors were killed by people that look like you just because we were black. We couldn't even kiss a white woman or marry a white woman without.

[Bo]

You can't even be thankful. You're ungrateful.

[Austin]

Thankful for what? For doing.

[Bo]

For your freedom?

[Austin]

To do.

[Bo]

No. That you live in the greatest society that's ever existed.

[Austin]

Oh, that's true. I think America is the greatest country.

[Bo]

You don't mean it ain't flawed as they are. You're a victim. That's what I'm getting at.

[Austin]

I'm not a victim.

[Bo]

You are.

[Austin]

The argument you're just making is full of shit. Because you are unwilling to admit that as a white man, for 250 plus years, white folks fucked up in this nation. I didn't even fuck up. Here's why.

[Bo]

Because you said, better yet, how did I fuck up?

[Austin]

Well, you fucked up with arguments that you're making. That's how you fuck it up right now. I'm gonna just tell you, you're showing that your white male ego is so Damn fragile that when confronted with the truth, you'd rather run from it and spew narcissistic, basic ridiculous bullshit talking points. Like calling me a cultural Marxist, which you can't even.

[Bo]

You are. What have I. I've already told you all, dude. The fact that you DEI practices, the fact that you continue to repeat talking points like the oppressor versus the oppressed. The fact that you talk about colonizer. All, all.

[Austin]

I never mentioned colonizer.

[Bo]

You did in Jubilee.

[Austin]

No, you mentioned.

[Bo]

No, no, I don't like colonization.

[Austin]

Yeah, you said hashtag colonizer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bo]

As a joke. And you guys went off the rails of it. And you said, I don't like colonization. You should be thankful for colonization. Look at the world we created.

[Austin]

Be thankful for the subjugation of other people. That's not a Christian.

[Bo]

You went straight back to the victim.

[Austin]

Watch this. Sean. Question. Is colonization a Christian tactic?

[Bo]

Does Jesus say that?

[Austin]

So then what the are you talking about?

[Bo]

I'm not. You're the one that brought up the Christian perspective. I did not believe.

[Austin]

You call yourself a Christian? You tried to quote the Bible. The Bible. I used to not believe in him. What you will not do.

[Bo]

You brought it up.

[Austin]

Me? Of course.

[Bo]

So I was. I was prepared.

[Austin]

You know why I brought the Bible up, Bo? Because I'm actually a Christian. I actually believe. No, no, no.

[Bo]

You keep yelling. Doesn't make me.

[Austin]

Because I actually believe.

[Bo]

You're a victim.

[Austin]

No, I'm not a victim.

[Bo]

You are.

[Austin]

The reason that I don't mind quoting the Bible is because the Bible is the presupposition upon which my actions are based. I will suspend belief or following any fucking political party the second that it comes into conflict with the cross of Jesus of Nazareth. And there is no way.

[Bo]

Are you married?

[Austin]

There is no way.

[Bo]

Are you married?

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

Are you divorced?

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

You have a child?

[Austin]

I do.

[Bo]

So you're having sex out of wedlock. You're a bad Christian.

[Austin]

Sure did. So did King David.

[Bo]

You're a bad Christian.

[Austin]

So did David. So did Solomon. So did Noah. So did Abraham.

[Bo]

You're sitting here.

[Austin]

That's why Jesus came to die.

[Bo]

So you follow the book so well?

[Austin]

I do. You know what the book says? The book says human beings are flawed creatures incapable of saving themselves, which is why God incarnated himself in flesh. So I'm going to ask you again. Does the Bible advocate for colonization instead of reparation?

[Bo]

Does the Bible advocate for reparation?

[Austin]

That question. Yes.

[Bo]

No, it doesn't.

[Austin]

It does. You know what the year of Jubilee is in the Bible here. Jubilee, the year Jubilee is every 50 years. All debts would be wiped away in Jewish culture. That's literally a biblical principle. So before you say it doesn't. The Bible absolutely advocates for reparation.

[Bo]

It does not advocates for the wiping away of debt.

[Austin]

Show me I'm wrong then.

[Bo]

Let's see.

[Austin]

Show me wrong then.

[Bo]

What the Bible said is restitution. In scripture, it's always personal, immediate, and by the guilty party. I am not guilty of your slavery. I have never been racist towards you again. You keep changing to the government.

[Austin]

I don't care where the power is. I don't give a damn about you, Bo.

[Bo]

The power doesn't give a damn about both of us. And that's what you don't get.

[Austin]

No, I do understand.

[Bo]

Understand that.

[Austin]

That's why I'm running for Congress in 2030.

[Bo]

And I hope and I pray to God that you don't get it. Because the fact that you, well, you're

[Austin]

praying to the wrong God. I guarantee it, the one I worship in is going to make sure I get in there.

[Bo]

I pray to God that you don't. Because I'm going to be honest. If you want to give out reparations to people that don't deserve it, I, I, I just. I don't think you're going to be good for our country.

[Austin]

Who are you to tell black people they don't deserve some of some. They built you.

[Bo]

What did you build?

[Austin]

My ancestors built this country.

[Bo]

And so did mine.

[Austin]

Each one of us got paid for.

[Bo]

Are you special? Are you autistic?

[Austin]

Your ancestors got paid, didn't they?

[Bo]

That doesn't matter.

[Austin]

Fuck do you mean it doesn't matter? I'm sorry, Sean, but in the United States of America.

[Bo]

No, you're talking to me here. Listen to me. Listen to me.

[Austin]

There's three people you're gonna talk to.

[Bo]

Both you can't deny.

[Austin]

United States of America. You can't work 40 hours a fucking week and not get paid for it. So if my people did work in this country for 244 fucking years and didn't get paid for it, they are owed a little bit of brain it. Period, point blank in the story. There are laws.

[Bo]

Like I said, ungrateful.

[Austin]

Oh, get. Jesus Christ.

[Bo]

It's sad. And let me finish. So you cannot deny that white people also built this country regardless of who was paid or not. We both built this country or not.

[Austin]

That's the case.

[Bo]

What I'm talking about, you're a victim.

[Austin]

No, it's about money.

[Bo]

No, You're a victim.

[Austin]

I just want the check. I want the same thing this guy advocated for. I want the same thing King advocated for.

[Bo]

What? Fairness?

[Austin]

Yes. Fairness and equality.

[Bo]

So fairness is stealing from others and giving to yourself.

[Austin]

No. Fairness. That's not stealing.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Austin]

Economic recompense is stealing.

[Bo]

If you stole eight generations later, it is.

[Austin]

Okay, well, then, if it's eight generations later, then explain to me why it's. Why it would be such a problem again, I said the reparations didn't have to be the full $250,000.

[Bo]

It shouldn't be anything.

[Austin]

It shouldn't be.

[Bo]

We should. As a society.

[Austin]

So y' all just get to get away. So you just get to get away with. With systematically saying, to hell with black people, get on the boat, build the plan, build the White House. But we're not going to pay you or your descendants shit.

[Bo]

You're such a victim.

[Austin]

Victim? I'm not a victim. I mean. I mean. I mean, knowledge. I'm a historian, but I'm a victim.

[Bo]

You're a victim. We as a country should be moving towards fairness and equality for all.

[Austin]

How do you do that without holding somebody accountable?

[Bo]

By giving them freedom and able to build themselves.

[Austin]

Oh, so give them. So when slaves were set free, did they get anything?

[Bo]

I didn't say that.

[Austin]

Right.

[Bo]

I said set them free and let them build themselves. No, you keep going back to this argument, and what I'm saying is, I'm not for it.

[Austin]

We're talking about a foundational argument and the foundation.

[Bo]

Foundation. You deserve money is what you're talking about. You deserve recompense.

[Austin]

Well, if the economic impact of what they did has lasted for so fucking long, I would imagine so. The economic.

[Bo]

See, that's what I'm saying. You're a victim. The economic impact hasn't lasted that long. You've been brainwashed to think that it has.

[Austin]

How long have black people had equivalent rights in this country in full? You just ignored it.

[Bo]

Almost a hundred years.

[Austin]

Almost 100 years.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Austin]

Which means it ain't.

[Bo]

So pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get to getting.

[Austin]

Right, I'm getting to get. But this is not just about me. This is about generations of people.

[Bo]

Don't you think it's a little bit of a victim mentality to complain about something that happened a hundred years years ago?

[Austin]

Not if it.

[Bo]

Because if I was sitting here complaining about how my mom and dad got divorced, my mom had a stroke and my dad left us, you'd be like, why are you complaining about that you're a 36 year old man. So at some point you got to get over the past and move on to the future. And I'm begging you that you get over the past and move on to the future.

[Austin]

Well, you know, I'll get over it.

[Bo]

And you can't because you're a victim.

[Austin]

I'll get over it. I'll get over it. See, this is the thing, Bo. This is the problem. It's not being. Will, you could argue that black people were a victim in this country.

[Bo]

No, you weren't a victim. You pretend and masquerade to be and that's what we're sick of.

[Austin]

No, I don't. Yes. I don't pretend to masquerade.

[Bo]

In fact, Black Americans receive 25% of the welfare. One third of them go to prison. Isn't that reparations? They're getting stuff paid.

[Austin]

How is prison reparations?

[Bo]

Let's see, what did you say? A prisoner.

[Austin]

Say that again.

[Bo]

Prisoner on average is $80,000 a year to the taxpayer. Sounds like reparations to me. Three years. That's over 250k.

[Austin]

So locking up black people is a form of reparations? You really going to say that shit on a national platform with 12 million?

[Bo]

No, what I'm saying is one in. What I'm saying is one in three black men end up in prison.

[Austin]

Is that reparations though? Or is that proof?

[Bo]

Or is it taxpayer?

[Austin]

Black people are victims of the very same government that you're saying is not oppressive.

[Bo]

Hello again. You're a victim.

[Austin]

Historically. So can we fact check this, please?

[Bo]

Who has a higher, who has a

[Austin]

higher conviction rate for false crimes? Blacks or whites?

[Bo]

Now that's something probably whites.

[Sean]

I'll fact check it, please. Who has a higher conviction rate? That's not a false crimes. Black or white people. Let's see this. You think it's white?

[Austin]

It's more falsely convicted.

[Bo]

That would be the falsely convicted, probably blacks.

[Austin]

And they're falsely convicted and thrown in jail.

[Sean]

Which proves black people are seven times more likely to be wrongfully convicted of murder than white people.

[Bo]

I just said that. Right.

[Austin]

Well, zippity do fucking die. So now. Is that so now that's a current piece of where black brothers and sisters are still victims of a racially systemic society. That's a racially sick society.

[Bo]

So you think it's. It's all racist fault for locking up black people? There's nothing on the black population for committing crimes.

[Austin]

There's a lot on the black.

[Bo]

Why does 6% of the nation. Cuz 13% are black Americans, 6% are male. Commit 50% of the violent crimes.

[Austin]

Because black people have a psychological issue. There's a deep.

[Bo]

That's a great response. I agree.

[Austin]

There's a deep psychological issue. This has been well documented that when black males grow up without a father, they're 10 times more likely to engage in criminal behavior. When they grow up without a. Without access to resources. They have been demonstrating all humans, but in particular blacks because they've been so economically subjugated. When people do not have basic resources, they tend to crime. They tend to do things outside of the crime.

[Bo]

So you're excusing crime because they don't have basic resources?

[Austin]

That I'm explaining. Yes, you asked why does it happen? I explain why it happened.

[Bo]

No, there are other groups that don't have that problem and don't go to crime at the rates that black men do.

[Austin]

I don't disagree with that. Simply asked me why does it happen? I explained why it happened, never said it was justified. Where you're not gonna run from is you just tried to say that white people are under attack from the system. Which is bullshit. Because if that's the case, then we would have nearly equivalent conviction rates for whites and black Americans, which we don't. Black males in the United States are seven times more likely to go to jail falsely, which is still proof that racism is still alive in this country. Can you admit that or does it

[Bo]

improve that our court system is unjust?

[Austin]

Who runs the court system still? White folks?

[Bo]

I don't know.

[Austin]

You don't?

[Bo]

I would say it's a mix of a lot.

[Austin]

If you don't know. I would highly suggest you get more of a government and political education before sitting across from someone like me. I would highly suggest someone like you.

[Bo]

What, a victim?

[Austin]

No, someone that has. That's obviously understanding the history and the data and the facts. It's not hard to pick up a book and read. You know, at one point they made it illegal to teach slaves to do that in this country, by the way.

[Bo]

Oh yeah, I know, you were playing the victim again. No, I'm telling you. You know what? At one point. At one point slaves didn't know the English language. Is that a point?

[Austin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So they couldn't have had a job because they didn't know how to talk or communicate in this world. In fact, Africa didn't have a written dialect for hundreds of years. Thousands of years.

[Austin]

This has to be the most insanely hilarious debate I have ever engaged in. Because you are literally Running away from answering history. Nothing I have said in this entire conversation, Bo, is not historically provable. The fact that you want to run psychologically, intellectually, tap dance from the fact that proves the only thing that you give a damn about is spreading a bullshit narcissistic narrative that runs from the truth.

[Bo]

How am I running from the truth?

[Austin]

Because you keep saying that I'm a victim when all I'm doing is quoting the fucking historical record.

[Bo]

No, we came here to talk about reparations. You want reparations for your people, which I think is a victim mentality, because you have never experienced slavery. I have never been a slave owner. You've never experienced segregation. You experienced racism one time in your life, and you want reparations?

[Austin]

What about my brothers and sisters that we just proved are seven times more likely to be locked up just because they're black and false convicted?

[Bo]

And that's wrong. And guess what? Is that not racist, people? That.

[Austin]

Is that not racist?

[Bo]

It may or may not be racist.

[Austin]

You. You don't have the capacity to just say yes or no, do you? That's just. No, you don't just.

[Bo]

You don't.

[Austin]

You don't say that. Can you.

[Bo]

Okay, Joe Biden was a racist when he basically said, you can't just say.

[Austin]

Fuck Joe Biden. You can't just say. You can't just say that, yes, racism still exists when the. When it's provable that black people have a seven times higher. Higher false conviction rate than whites. You don't want to admit that's racist, do you?

[Bo]

I want to say that we live in the least racist society ever.

[Austin]

Just can't do it.

[Bo]

No. Why would I do it? And you can't. And you can't sit here and say reparations are wrong. Why would I bend to your arguments?

[Austin]

They're not wrong.

[Bo]

They are because they're horrible. You're a victim. That's what I've been saying the whole time. You want to argue.

[Austin]

You want to tell the truth. If you just want to argue, we can do that all day long. You. You.

[Bo]

You've been arguing the whole time. You wouldn't let me get a word in half the time.

[Austin]

Facts, Bo.

[Bo]

No, this isn't arguing the whole time.

[Austin]

There's nobody to come save you from me. There's no. It's not. It's not happening.

[Bo]

I don't need saving. You do find Christ.

[Austin]

I worship the man.

[Bo]

Yeah, clearly, you don't worship everything he says. Ezekiel 18. I don't have to repeat it to you. The son shall not bear the guilt of the Father, nor the Father.

[Austin]

It's not the government.

[Bo]

We weren't talking about the government.

[Austin]

You brought the Bible this entire time?

[Bo]

No. You brought the Bible and so I quoted the Bible and you don't like it and you go back to the government every time I bring up a quote from the Bible you don't like.

[Austin]

I quote quoted Christ. You missed you.

[Bo]

Oh, I quoted Christ.

[Austin]

That was Christ speaking in Ezekiel. You're the same man that just said you haven't read the Bible all the time.

[Bo]

I'm quoting the Bible right here.

[Austin]

That's not Christ talking.

[Bo]

You're right. It's Ezekiel.

[Austin]

Right, which is not Jesus of Nazareth. That's the Bible. But you're misapplying it and you just said you haven't read the whole book, so that means I can't even really trust what the fuck you're talking about. Sorry, Lord couldn't help it. So who are you to quote the Bible to somebody when you haven't even read the entire book?

[Bo]

Well, that's insane because you brought it up.

[Austin]

How am I misapplying it?

[Bo]

How am I misapplying that?

[Austin]

That stated, the son shall not bear

[Bo]

the sin guilt of the Father, nor the father bear the guilt of the Son.

[Austin]

I'm talking about government.

[Bo]

I am not. I understand that. So then don't use that quote because you're taxpayers.

[Austin]

No, I'm not.

[Bo]

Yes, you are. What is a government institution paid for by the taxpayer? So you're asking the taxpayers to give reparations.

[Austin]

No, I'm actually asking the private Federal Reserve that prints every dollar that we have to us at interest to give us what we're.

[Bo]

So do you think that's really a good idea? Do you think it's good to put us further into debt? Do you think it's think it's good to put us further in inflation for the betterment of your people?

[Austin]

If I became president in 15 years, like I told Chink, I, we wouldn't. We wouldn't have inflation under my plan. Oh, yeah?

[Bo]

Well, how so?

[Austin]

Because I would reenact the gold standard. I would.

[Bo]

You think it's that easy? You think we have gold? They wouldn't even check the. The gold standard.

[Austin]

Well, you do know the first thing I would do would be to check for Knox, right?

[Bo]

And what happens if it's not there?

[Austin]

We find out where it is, though.

[Bo]

Okay. And if it's not there and we don't know where it is, we don't have it. So you can't put us on it.

[Austin]

Well, I. Well, you don't know. We don't know where it is.

[Bo]

And what do you think you can just erase the world debt and go to gold?

[Austin]

No, you.

[Bo]

That's an insane thing to think.

[Austin]

No, it's not. You. You rescale it. You do what FDR did when he passed Executive Order 61 02. When he took us off the gold standard. He passed Executive Order 6102, which forced Americans to turn an all gold bullion to the.

[Bo]

You're assuming the gold rate of.

[Austin]

Obviously you have to assume. I'm not the President. I don't have the classification to go into Fort Knox, do I?

[Bo]

So I said if it's not there,

[Austin]

if, if, if, if was a fifth would be dropped right now. So I'm operating off of the principle that if it's there, stop running from what I'm saying. Stop trying to make yourself seem right.

[Bo]

You've been running around everywhere.

[Austin]

No, I've been directly answering the bullshit you've been spewing. And I've been trying to stick to my point. You've been doing the same thing you did on Jubilee, which is this intellectual tap dance of where you want to say some shit that you think will get clips because it'll make you sound right or sound smarter.

[Bo]

This is not about clips. This is about talking about reparations.

[Austin]

You're applying.

[Bo]

No, we're talking about.

[Austin]

We're talking about two things. Reparations and how I'm a culture. Marches. We've addressed one. You haven't really refuted shit I'm saying. And the more interesting.

[Bo]

I've refuted a lot of the shit that you're saying and called you a victim. Cuz I disagree with what you're saying.

[Austin]

You didn't. I'm not a victim. Victim. Bo you are calling out history is not being a victim.

[Bo]

No, complaining about it is.

[Austin]

Oh, so telling the truth is complaining about it? No, telling the truth that a white Supreme Court justice said that a black man has no rights he's bound to respect. That's being evicted.

[Bo]

You complain 100 years later makes you a victim.

[Austin]

Yes, 100 years.

[Bo]

You asked me a question. Yes, you're a victim.

[Austin]

Well, as of 2025, which is current, modern day black people are still. How many times is it? 7 times.

[Sean]

More likely that's for murder. For drug crimes it's 12 times. For sexual assault, it's three to four times.

[Austin]

So murder is seven, drugs is 12, sexual assault is 12.

[Bo]

And that's wrong.

[Austin]

Right. Okay. That's racist.

[Bo]

I don't think it's racist.

[Austin]

Because you're incapable, obviously you're incapable of deep intellectual thought. If you can't just admit that that's racist.

[Bo]

That's not true.

[Austin]

It is. You're doing the same thing with me you did with Isaiah Martin. When somebody is right, Bo, you don't lose points.

[Bo]

Isaiah Martin barely talked when I was there. I laid into him because he was being dishonest and disingenuous.

[Austin]

The only word you used in that entire debate was disingenuous. And you couldn't even refute the man's points when it wasn't that hard to do. All I'm asking you to do is I.

[Bo]

It was pretty easy.

[Austin]

All I'm asking you to do is this. Are you capable of admitting that racism is still prevalent enough to be a deterrent in the United States of America?

[Bo]

To be a deterrent?

[Austin]

Yes. To upward social and economic movement. Are you willing to admit that? Can you concede that point?

[Bo]

No. This is what I mean. You are blaming racism for your lack of success or for others lack of success. And I think you need to get over it and move on on.

[Austin]

I'm not blaming racism as a. As a standalone. Let me make that abundantly clear. I am blaming the lasting impact that originally racist policies had in the United States of America. It is well documented even to this day right now that black homes are on average valued 33.68% lower than white homes.

[Bo]

Why? Because they're located in ghettos or they're located in.

[Austin]

It doesn't matter where. Bo, you can go from Beverly Hills all the way down to Florida.

[Bo]

Why are black neighborhoods riddled with liquor stores and everything else?

[Austin]

All black neighborhoods are not. All black neighborhoods are not riddled with that. You're not listening to what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. I know you just want to say shit for the clips. Listen to what I'm saying. From 1946 all the way to 2026, Black homes are historically valued lower than white homes regardless of the amount of crime in an area. Bo, is that not racist?

[Bo]

So let's say this.

[Austin]

Answer that. Are you capable.

[Bo]

Is it in a black neighborhood?

[Austin]

I just said it. Jesus Nazareth, I just said that. How many times you have to repeat myself?

[Bo]

So if it's a.

[Austin]

Can you admit that that is the case and that that is racist when it occurs? If a white do it, you're great. You're a better politician than I'm going to be. I tell you, your Ability to not just answer.

[Bo]

Why don't you shut up for a second and let me answer the question? It's okay.

[Austin]

Go ahead.

[Bo]

Sometimes we got a Bob and weed. That Trump's famous.

[Austin]

I throw straight jabs when I'm debating.

[Bo]

I don't do that. You're not good at it.

[Austin]

Oh, well, Amanda Seals would disagree with you.

[Bo]

I think Amanda Seals is a retard.

[Austin]

The entire Jubilee team would disagree with you.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Austin]

Oh, so what?

[Bo]

All the Democrats agree with you.

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

You mean the Jubilee team that.

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

Come on, bro. It's not biased at all. That's why you keep getting invited back, because you're preaching reparations and you're preaching

[Austin]

back the same amount of times I have.

[Bo]

No, you've got invited back a lot more. Let me ask you.

[Austin]

Probably just because I'm better.

[Bo]

Let me.

[Austin]

That's not being a victim.

[Bo]

No, definitely. Because it's. You have all their ideas is absolutely not. Let me answer your question. So you asked if it's racist that black neighborhoods are appropriated at less than white neighborhoods across the whole country. If a black house or a black person owns a house and a white person owns a house right next to each other and that one's valued lower even though it's the same house? Yes. That's racism. Just because a neighborhood has less of a. Less appropriation than a white neighborhood. We got to look at the neighborhood. You can't just say it's racist. Maybe the houses are half the size. Maybe the acreage is half the acreage. You ever thought of that?

[Austin]

When the homes are equivalent in the neighborhood, which is usually standard, especially for homeowners associations, all the.

[Bo]

You said black neighborhood, right? Okay, so black neighborhood is a majority of black people.

[Austin]

Bo. I'm not only. Again, let me. Let me restate this one more time. I'm not only speaking about how homes that are in predominantly black neighborhoods, when there are black homeowners, regardless of the area, if the owner of a home in any given section of this nation is black, that home is on average valued and at least 33% lower than the white counterpart, regardless of.

[Bo]

Let's not make out the white home right next to it. That's what you're saying, correct? Then that is wrong.

[Austin]

That's what I've been saying this entire time.

[Bo]

You haven't. You said black neighborhood.

[Austin]

No, I said both.

[Bo]

Hence the confusion. It's not both.

[Austin]

You're just not listening. No, you want to. You're listening to respond, not listening to actually understand what the I'm saying.

[Bo]

No, you should be clear on how you're explaining things. You said black neighborhood.

[Austin]

No, I said black homes.

[Bo]

Homes. What. What am I supposed to assume? Did you say black homes in a white neighborhood?

[Austin]

If you assume, you make an ass of yourself. But when I.

[Bo]

No, if you clearly explain something, I can understand what you're saying.

[Austin]

I did.

[Bo]

No, you didn't explain. Maybe you should add more context.

[Austin]

I've explained to you multiple times that don't.

[Bo]

This entire. No. Yeah, I. I think we fundamentally just disagree. Why don't we move on to the next topic, cultural marches. And we can talk about that.

[Austin]

Why not? This would be even easier than talking about reparations. What of my belief system?

[Bo]

It's not your belief system. It's what you say.

[Austin]

I say what I believe.

[Bo]

So you believe the oppressor versus the oppressed argument?

[Austin]

I believe that. That.

[Bo]

And do you think white people are oppressors?

[Austin]

So you're gonna ask me a question, then cut me off in the middle of. Andrew, I'm sorry I said that in order to colonize a nation or to colonize anything, all you need is two classes. And oppressor and the oppressed. That can be anyone of any race.

[Bo]

Anyone of any race. Okay, that's less of the Cultural Marxist point.

[Austin]

But that's the same point I made on Jubilee.

[Bo]

It's literally the same point when you're saying oppressor versus oppressed. When you're saying colonizer, you're using all the same language that cultural Marxists use. That's why it's very easy to confuse that with you being a cultural Marxist.

[Austin]

The UK was being colonized because the number one, it is Muhammad. That's bullshit.

[Bo]

Well, how is that bullshit?

[Austin]

Do you think the number one name of the name does not mean that they have more political power?

[Bo]

It's not about political power.

[Austin]

It's all about power. Everything is about power.

[Bo]

Actually, it is. Have you heard of gangs?

[Austin]

No. What are you talking about?

[Bo]

So you don't know anything about the English gangs where there are Islams and Muslims being white English girls and then getting away with it and released by who?

[Austin]

Who's let. Who. When you say getting away with it, who's releasing these people?

[Bo]

The judges.

[Austin]

You're saying the UK government is allowing this to take place?

[Bo]

Yes.

[Austin]

That's still not. That's. That's horrendous. But that's still not colonization.

[Bo]

Hold on, hold on. Let's actually define things. So, colonization, the process where a foreign power establishes control over a territory and its people, involving land appropriation Exploitation and cultural, social and racial subjugation. Would you agree with that? That's also what the north did to the South. So you should owe colonization a thank you because it's the reason you're free.

[Austin]

The north colonized the south when it was a civil war between American citizens.

[Bo]

Yeah, I would.

[Austin]

Sounds fucking stupid.

[Bo]

Well, then you're stupid.

[Austin]

No, you are stupid for the shit you just said. A civil war between people that live in the same country.

[Bo]

Can you listen or can you. Can you listen?

[Austin]

Can you say something with some substance?

[Bo]

Are you capable of listening?

[Austin]

I'm capable of listening.

[Bo]

So then just shut up for a second.

[Austin]

So I'm trying.

[Bo]

This is. This is a process where a foreign power. The north and the south were two different. You could say same nation, two different ideas. What the.

[Austin]

That's not foreign.

[Bo]

You can't listen for 10 seconds in

[Austin]

the same country, bro.

[Bo]

It's okay. Completely different ideas.

[Austin]

Were they.

[Bo]

One believes in slaves, one doesn't.

[Austin]

Were they born in the same land? They're born in the same country. Right. So they're not foreign powers. You sound insane.

[Bo]

They were about to separate. In fact, the whole Civil War was

[Austin]

living the same nation.

[Bo]

You can't listen for 10 seconds, bro.

[Austin]

Can you answer that question?

[Bo]

Sure. They lived in the same nation.

[Austin]

So that's not. That's not a fucking foreign power.

[Bo]

If they were separating, if they were getting ready to separate, there was going to be a North and the South. Would you consider that? Two different nations, two different ideas. I don't believe you just said this.

[Austin]

That's insane. The Civil War was literally between American citizens. Brothers were shooting each other because one of them wanted to be slave.

[Bo]

Let's see.

[Austin]

The other one didn't.

[Bo]

Let's see. Two different groups, north and the south, would consider themselves foreign entities in the sense that they wanted to separate their powers, establish control. The north established control over a territory. The South.

[Austin]

Why did the government.

[Bo]

Shut up.

[Austin]

Why did the. Oh, now you're yelling.

[Bo]

Now you're interrupt. You've been yelling the whole time.

[Austin]

Yelling. Which is how we know that the emotional bullshit you're spewing is rattling you because you can't deal with the fucking facts. The United States Federal government.

[Bo]

You've been yelling for an hour and a half.

[Austin]

The US Federal government punished the south as if they had only done an act of treason. They didn't treat them as foreign entities. In fact, President Lincoln ensured that we would not punish the south and treat them as foreign invaders. We would simply punish them by enacting the very Laws that guaranteed equality in the first place. So you're full of shit. In the statement that you make.

[Bo]

Wait, would you say Somalians coming into Minnesota taking over and exploit. Exploiting the government and the cultural and social and racial subjugation over there? Do you think. Do you think that that's colonization?

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

Why not? You don't think people invading our southern border and coming into our country is colonization?

[Austin]

Do they have more political power than they do?

[Bo]

They're gaining it. That's what I'm saying. You keep leaning on political power. These people assume political power over time. When I talk about the communist revolution, they want all these people to be little communists. Eventually the communists are gonna win and then we're shit out of the luck. That's why when you push your DEI bullshit, which is also a communist term from the cultural Marxists in institutions, college institutions, you push that crap and guess what? The communists are gonna take over. Do you know how close we were from the communists taking over? Kamala Harris winning? We were this close for our nation being destroyed.

[Austin]

So you think that first of all, you know Marxism and Christianity are inherent incompatible.

[Bo]

Doesn't mean you can't be a bad Christian and a Marxist at the same time.

[Austin]

No, it actually does mean that. Because the Karl Marx who was a. This is. This is who the founded Marxism.

[Bo]

You have no nuance.

[Austin]

No, I all. I have all the new.

[Bo]

No, you don't found it Marxism. Why can't you admit that you'd be a bad Christian and a Marxist at the same time?

[Austin]

Because they're in. Those ideologies are inherently incompatible. So just because it's rooted atheism, it's

[Bo]

literally rooted, doesn't mean you can't adopt all the ideologies of Marxism and still claim you're a Christian.

[Austin]

You can't.

[Bo]

Yes, you can.

[Austin]

Not. Not legitimately.

[Bo]

Well, it doesn't matter if it's legitimate or not whether you're claiming it. This is.

[Austin]

Anyone that studies history knows you can't do that. Karl Marx was a die hard atheist. He literally stated that. One of the best.

[Bo]

Like I said, you can be a bad Marxist at the same time.

[Austin]

No, you can't.

[Bo]

Yes, you can.

[Austin]

No, you cannot.

[Bo]

Do you know anything about the Frankfurt School that basically changed Marxism into cultural Marxism?

[Austin]

I know, I know something about that, but it doesn't.

[Bo]

Throughout the 80s and 90s, they changed it into a class to a race war and a gender war war. And when you repeat the same terms that they're using, that's where I tend to think that You're a little bit of a cultural Marxist.

[Austin]

Okay, so I have only simply stated the intent and purpose of dei. Never even said, well, you didn't even

[Bo]

know England is being colonized.

[Austin]

It's not. You said this on Jubilee. I said it's not being. It is being colonization.

[Bo]

Just because you say it's not doesn't mean it's not happening.

[Austin]

There's no colonization. Colonizing country requires power. Yes or no?

[Bo]

So when gangs are able to get off because colonize a country requires. Stop interrupting.

[Austin]

Yes or no?

[Bo]

Yes. And I'm telling you how they get power.

[Austin]

So then they're not doing it. You're literally refuting yourself. This is the easiest debate I've ever been in. You're refuting your own self because you're admitting that power is necessary. And if they don't have the political or economic power, they can't do shit.

[Bo]

So let me ask you this. If a gang moves into the UK and assumes political power by paying off political officials who then become patsies for this group, do they not have political power?

[Austin]

Have they done it? Yes. So the UK is now run by

[Bo]

BRO you should look up Tommy Robinson and get a foundation. You're sitting here claiming that they're not being colonized. You know nothing about the UK.

[Austin]

Sitting here claiming that the US obviously

[Bo]

you're not, because you don't care that 20 million people ran across our border and are changing our entire moral structure.

[Austin]

Three times. I did care about the southern border. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for.

[Bo]

Well, you obviously don't think that's cultural market.

[Austin]

You don't think voting for Republican is.

[Bo]

Do you think? No, I never said it. Bro. You're just.

[Austin]

No, you called me all over the place.

[Bo]

You are a cultural Marxist.

[Austin]

Then why would I vote for Trump three times?

[Bo]

It doesn't. Why can't a cultural Marxist vote for Trump?

[Austin]

Because that's. Trump is the antithesis. He's an ultra nationalist. When you are repeating Trump's anthropologist, stop. Well, Trump is the opposite of Marxism. He is a ultra nationalist. Here's why I call Marxism believes in ownership of the state. Trump is the opposite of that.

[Bo]

Let me tell you how a cultural Marxist voted for Trump. Somebody that repeats all the same talking points, that wants reparations, that doesn't want to get rid of illegal aliens.

[Austin]

I do want to get rid of illegal. That's why I voted for the man.

[Bo]

You don't. I think I've heard you say you don't want to get rid of them all.

[Austin]

I never said That I said that we should create a. I said we need to understand. I'm going to quote myself from Jubilee again. Never thought I'd have to quote myself this much. I must be doing something. I said that.

[Bo]

We're your own expert, I guess.

[Austin]

No, I just happened. I just happen to know that I have a great memory. I read a lot, you know, it's a great thing. You know, I understand why it was made illegal 200 years ago for my folks. You know, reading knowledge is power. When you want to stop illegal immigration coming in, stop coming into a country, you want to stop people from coming over a border illegally, you put a president in that actually is a nationalist, which is what I did.

[Bo]

What do you call 20 million people?

[Austin]

Donald Trump. I voted for President Trump three times because he is a nationalist. And I lean more towards Christian nationalism than I do communism. I don't lean towards excessive nationalism or communism at all.

[Bo]

What I said is. You repeat cultural Marxist talking points. The oppressor versus. I've said it to you four or five times.

[Austin]

That's not a cultural Marxist talking point.

[Bo]

Oppressor versus oppressed. Yes, it is.

[Austin]

No, that's a truth statement.

[Bo]

No, it is not. When you claim that white people are the ones oppressing everybody and you say

[Austin]

the United States of America, if they have more power, they have more proximity to the ability to. The ability to oppress, and they use it. They've used it. I demonstrated.

[Bo]

So again, you're using how white people are the oppressor. But you're sitting here, you're sitting here saying you're not a cultural Marxist. White people also gave you freedom. They've also destroyed segregation. They've given you the ability to be the most successful person you can be in this world, and you're still sitting here complaining about it. That's what I'm.

[Austin]

So you mean they gave me what the Constitution said I was supposed to have at birth? And these same white people that gave us the free, we had to fight and bleed and die my folks, just to get the 13th, 14th and 15th amendment passed. So we had to fight and die by the thousands. Over 255.

[Bo]

A lot of white people died for you, too.

[Austin]

I don't give a shit. You should have never did it.

[Bo]

This is why I think you're a racist. You don't give a shit about them. You only care about yourself.

[Austin]

Thank God.

[Bo]

So maybe you're the narcissist. You ever thought about that?

[Austin]

Thank God they did what they were supposed to do because they never should have committed the injustice in the first fucking place. You don't get credit for doing something

[Bo]

that should have been so ungrateful.

[Austin]

Why do I need to be grateful for people that subjugated my people based on the color of their skin for finally having a change of heart?

[Bo]

Goes a long way. Isn't gratefulness.

[Austin]

This is the craziest I have heard in 30 years of life.

[Bo]

You're telling, wow, this is the craziest thing you've ever heard when somebody was openly racist to you when you were 17.

[Austin]

You are telling me to be grateful. Because what you're asking me to be grateful for is for somebody doing some that they should have never had to do in the first place.

[Bo]

No, they should have never had to do it. Grateful for your freedom. You should be grateful for your opportunities here. You should be grateful for living in the greatest nation in the world. We were one of the first ones to make sure slavery didn't exist. Exist. And us in England. Wow. White people. That's crazy, right?

[Austin]

Yeah, England.

[Bo]

And you're on slavery. They didn't start slavery.

[Austin]

Who the brought the slaves over here in 1619America.

[Bo]

Slavery's been going on for thousands of years.

[Austin]

The United States. You didn't talk about America.

[Bo]

You know, you were just talking about England.

[Austin]

No, I said the English brought the first slaves to the Americas, which were there.

[Bo]

No, you said they started slavery right

[Austin]

in the 13 columns.

[Bo]

But you didn't. You didn't specify. You said they started slavery. So then maybe again you should specify.

[Austin]

So people in the same country we're talking about.

[Bo]

No, you just want to start.

[Austin]

You want to win so bad. It's all over your face. It's all in your bones. You don't want. You want some sort of a. You want some sort of a gotcha moment that you're not going to fucking get. We're obviously talking about the United States of America. And so I'm telling you that the British were the ones that told us, nigga, get on that boat and come over here and help me build America by force, not by choice. Which is what happened. Oh, that's exactly what happened when they put us on the beat. Flyman and the Pinta and the Santa Maria. That's what happened. So white British European peasants brought people that looked like me over here and said, get on the boat. You're gonna build America. I'm not gonna pay you anything for it. And then 200 years later, don't ask me to recompense you economically for the very thing that led to America being the Greatest nation on earth, which is a combination of whites and blacks. Predominantly unpaid.

[Bo]

Thank you for finally admitting unpaid blacks. Took an hour and a half for you to admit that.

[Austin]

Yeah. Cause a lot of y' all stole inventions from white. White people stole inventions from black Americans. Americans.

[Bo]

There are thousands of uncredited such a victim.

[Austin]

Dude, am I sad when is telling the truth being a victim?

[Bo]

Bo, it's not. It's not about telling truth.

[Austin]

Have I lied one time?

[Bo]

This time you're just mad and you want reparations for everything.

[Austin]

I don't want reparations for everything. I just. Just what we deserve. That's it.

[Bo]

And what do you think you deserve?

[Austin]

Well, let's see.

[Bo]

At minimum, freedom's not enough.

[Austin]

Well, when we were set free, we were given. We were given no land like the Europeans. We were given nothing to get started on. We were given freedom to.

[Bo]

So freedom isn't enough? It's a yes or no question.

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

You've done this, so now it doesn't matter.

[Austin]

Not that freedom. No, it wasn't enough. It wasn't.

[Bo]

Because it was freedom what will be enough.

[Austin]

It was freedom to the winds and rains. It was free. No land to cultivate with no food to eat. It was the equivalent with the freedom that we got.

[Bo]

Here's your reparations.

[Austin]

Of course you do. The shameless plug for that cologne. And I never got that supposed 5% that you were supposed to.

[Bo]

Oh, you're supposed to send me an email, weren't you?

[Austin]

I. I'm not gonna send you an email.

[Bo]

You don't want this.

[Austin]

You probably didn't sell enough. You probably didn't sell enough. Enough.

[Bo]

How about this?

[Austin]

You probably didn't.

[Bo]

Is that enough for you?

[Austin]

That's a great plug.

[Bo]

Is. It'll never be enough for you.

[Austin]

Your cologne don't mean that cologne. That'll probably evaporate by the time I spray it on my skin. It's not going to be enough.

[Bo]

It's gonna make you smell real good.

[Austin]

No, I think the Dolce and Gabbana I'm wearing is much better.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah?

[Austin]

Matter of fact, I'll take the Dolce, the Dolce Gabbana. I'll take the Dolce, the Gucci. I've got some Burberry at the house, too. I think I prefer that smell of reparations.

[Bo]

You don't need reparations. You're doing just fine.

[Austin]

Never said I don't needed it. Yeah, but it's something that we deserve. Never said we don't need it.

[Bo]

We deserve it. That's actually My pitch for this is it's not something you want. It's something you deserve. So maybe you should take.

[Austin]

I don't. I think we deserve better smelling cologne. I've smelled it.

[Bo]

I think I like never smelled it.

[Austin]

You gave it to me at Jubilee. You forgot. I still have the bottle.

[Bo]

I thought it gave you white privilege.

[Austin]

No, you gave me both.

[Bo]

I didn't take reparations.

[Austin]

Oh, I'm still. Then why do I have it? Why do I have that?

[Bo]

You already got reparations. This is great.

[Austin]

No, I got a cologne. I got a clear cologne.

[Bo]

Good.

[Austin]

I got a clear cologne. These decent smell for about 10.

[Bo]

White privilege.

[Austin]

No, it was both. You gave me both. No, you forgot. See, you're so used to the pedaling the you forgo get when you hand me both colognes. That's the thing. And again, you are literally making a joke out of some shit that if this was done to white people, there would be war and hell in this nation. Over.

[Bo]

But you can. But white people were enslaved.

[Austin]

Use of white privilege. Right here. This is the beautiful use of white privilege. A white man.

[Bo]

Thank you.

[Austin]

Gets to use economic, systemic privilege to make a joke of some shit that was done to my people for 244 years. Now, if that ain't the greatest act of bullshit, I don't know what the hell is.

[Bo]

This is why you're cultural Marx. You just said what? White privilege. A cultural Marxist talking point.

[Austin]

You just used it.

[Bo]

No, you're the one that said white privilege.

[Austin]

Right? You're using it. You're using it right now with this.

[Bo]

So this is why you're a cultural Marxist. I just prove my point.

[Austin]

No. This is why I'm a truth teller and a historian.

[Bo]

This is not truth telling. This is you using cultural Marxist talking points to push your blatant bullshit.

[Austin]

What's culturally Marxist about admitting the fact that white people have had the ability to subjugate black folks in this country for 200 years?

[Bo]

Because you've had equality for over 100 and you're still complaining about it. That's the point.

[Austin]

Equality.

[Bo]

Why is every other race able to excel and you guys can't? What is equality?

[Austin]

Equality mean? Bo? Define equality.

[Bo]

Equal opportunity.

[Austin]

Oh, no. That's for all. That's equity.

[Bo]

There's a difference. Equity. Equity.

[Austin]

No.

[Bo]

You don't even have your definitions right? No. Can we ask Equality means and equity versus equality.

[Austin]

Equality is equal outcome. Equity is. Does not. No.

[Bo]

Equality means equal opportunity.

[Austin]

Really?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Austin]

Let me ask you this.

[Bo]

Equity, by the way. Equity. Another cultural Marxist term. I Should have been playing bingo right now because you brought them all up.

[Austin]

I didn't. So let's. Let's. Let's ask this. If we have. Do you think we have equality and equity in this country right now?

[Bo]

I think for the last 10 years, they've been practicing.

[Austin]

I give a fuck about the last 10 years. I'm talking about as a whole.

[Bo]

I'm telling you what I think, dude. You don't ask me a question and then interrupt me halfway through it.

[Austin]

Oh, you mean like you've done to me this?

[Bo]

Why would you have, bro? You've been talking more than anybody the whole time and interrupting me when I have things to say.

[Sean]

I got.

[Bo]

Don't pretend that it's. That I'm violating you when I'm interrupting you.

[Austin]

Oh, you're not violating me. You're just. I'm just proving how full of shit this is argument is.

[Sean]

All right, I got the definitions. Equality means giving everyone the same resources, opportunities or treatment regardless of their starting point. And equity is giving people different resources or support based on their needs to achieve a similar outcome.

[Austin]

Thank you. Which we don't have. Are you.

[Bo]

He just proved my point.

[Austin]

No, he didn't.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Austin]

All he did was so.

[Bo]

So my two questions. My definition was equality. My definition of equality was equal. Out. Excuse me. Was equality of opportunity, which he just demonstrated. Equity.

[Austin]

Do we have equality of opportunity?

[Bo]

In this case, equity was equal outcome.

[Austin]

Do we have.

[Bo]

You told me I was wrong.

[Austin]

You are wrong, because we don't have equality of opportunity in this country.

[Bo]

Hold on, hold on. Let's get back to the moderator who was right on that. For equality, for equality and equity.

[Sean]

Equality means giving everyone the same resources, opportunities, or treatment, regardless of equal opportunities,

[Austin]

equal opportunity, same resources.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Austin]

Boom.

[Bo]

Actually, I would say we have the same resources. I would say black Americans and minorities have better resources right now than white Americans.

[Austin]

Because if that's the case, then why.

[Bo]

It's not. It's not a lie. Because you say it is six to

[Austin]

ten times higher for white Americans.

[Bo]

We have a majority in this country, genius.

[Austin]

So then you're not answering.

[Bo]

Get the per capita. You don't even have the per capita.

[Austin]

If we go per capita, that only further proves my point. Do we have. If what you're saying is true, based around Sean's definition, do white people and black people per capita and overall have equivalent homeownership in this country?

[Bo]

That's. See, this is.

[Austin]

No, that's a key question that proves the economic imbalance of the bullshit you're trying to dispute. I'm not going for it. This is not jubilee.

[Bo]

This is why you're a cultural margin racist. You believe in equity. You believe that black Americans should.

[Austin]

I believe in the Bible, which I advocate for you.

[Bo]

Don't stop. Just let me finish. You. You just constantly interrupt. You believe that black people should have the same amount of homeownership as white people. Equity. So equity equality would mean black people have the same opportunity to buy homes that white people.

[Austin]

We don't even have.

[Bo]

And you do now.

[Austin]

We don't.

[Bo]

You have for the last 70 years, people historically denied. I don't know. Stop playing a victim and find out for yourself.

[Austin]

Because of the racism that's still in this country.

[Bo]

Again, how fucking infectious.

[Austin]

This is provable. Like, the cognitive dissonance that you possess is amazing. I see.

[Bo]

Ditto, brother. Ditto. The cognitive dissonance is strong in this world.

[Austin]

I literally see now why you think the way you think. Your inability to be intellectually honest is fucking fascinating and needs to be studied. You have the fact that you cannot admit 1. You misquoted the Bible trying to prove a bullshit.

[Bo]

I didn't misquote it. That's a direct quote from the Bible.

[Austin]

You did. You did. It's a misapplication and a misquotation.

[Bo]

Oh, so now it's a misapplication.

[Austin]

It's both of them. The net. Net of it is this. You have an inability to be intellectually honest because you know that if you did that, if you were intellectually fucking honest for one second, you would force you to realize that the worldview you possess is inherently socially narcissistic and it does not allow for any genuine, equal social uplift. And this is exactly why I got 1.5 million views and you didn't.

[Bo]

Because the comments, definitely not because you have more followers or you're preaching to the. At the Equity choir. And this is again, because of all your culture.

[Austin]

Because the truth stands

[Bo]

that you want equality for all. You want betterment for your people, which, hey, that's. That's what happens when you're fighting for your people. I don't fault you for that. But what I want for Americans is equality for all. You clearly don't want that. You want equity, which is why you're so mad when black Americans don't own the same amount of homes as white Americans despite being 13% of the population. I'm sorry, brother. You're the one that is narcissistic and out of touch and has cognitive dissonance. We can call each other names all day.

[Austin]

It doesn't prove your wrong right at all by any stretch of the imagination. Because again the.

[Bo]

Just because you say it doesn't mean it's true, brother.

[Austin]

Is it provable today that in 2026 there are still racial policies that disinhibit black Americans from having the same or close to equivalent homeownership or economic upward social.

[Bo]

How about you put the phone down and tell me what you don't have. What rights.

[Austin]

We're going to fact check. That's all it is.

[Bo]

You're asking. ChatGPT how about you come prepared to this. Tell me.

[Austin]

I am prepared. That's why I bring this.

[Bo]

Look at me.

[Austin]

That's why you bring the Austin.

[Bo]

What opportunity opportunities do you not have today?

[Austin]

Well, I don't. This is not a. This is not.

[Bo]

I'm asking you what opportunities.

[Austin]

This is not.

[Bo]

This is what it's about.

[Austin]

This is not about Austin the individual. This is about a class based. What rights based system. You will not run from race based. Absolutely.

[Bo]

So what rights do you have today that I don't.

[Austin]

That's a. Rephrase that. I'm gonna give you a chance to.

[Bo]

I'm not gonna rephrase it. What rights do you have today that I don't.

[Austin]

What rights do I have today that you don't have? Exactly none.

[Bo]

Thank you. You prove my point. That's not so blaming everything on racism is you being a victim size.

[Austin]

All right. In 2026 it is provable that Black Americans still in 2026 face structural barriers and policy linked mechanisms that materially impede equal home ownership and upward mobility. It is. Name them the most.

[Bo]

Name them.

[Austin]

I'm going to do that. I know you don't want to hear the truth, but it's coming. The most obvious empirical proof is the homeownership gap itself. And the National association of Realtors 2025 Snapchat shot the black homeownership rate was only 44.7% as compared to 72.4% for white households since 2013 to 28 percentage points. Now that by itself doesn't prove discrimination but however it proves large, persistent and not self correcting. Under the current system where you're saying we have equivalent of opportunity.

[Bo]

I think. I think in the end it just becomes stronger.

[Austin]

Is that the current enforcement and current research. The Department of Justice and now I'm going to say this. The Department of justice announced in 2025 that the mortgage firm agreed to pay $1.75 million to resolve allegations of redlining predominantly black and Hispanic neighborhoods in the Miami area as of 2026.

[Bo]

That sounds like reparations.

[Austin]

The DOJ explicitly said that the conduct blatantly denied those communities equal access to credit and exacerbated the already existent racial wealth gap. Which is a proof positive text that even in 2023, racial policy still exists. Can you admit that? Or now you're going to say, no, they don't. You're full of shit.

[Bo]

It said it right in there. You read it.

[Austin]

I just quoted it. It said, I'm going to read it again.

[Bo]

Maybe I don't want you to read.

[Austin]

It's not. It's not great. I tell you it's great. Where the case becomes stronger is even in current research and current enforcement. Again, the Department of Justice announced that the mortgage firm agreed to pay 1.75 million to resolve allegations of red line, predominantly black and Hispanic neighborhoods in the Miami area. And the DOJ explicitly stated that the conduct of these individuals denied those communities equal access to credit and exacerbated an already existent racial wealth gap. So policies that are still in effect today.

[Bo]

So what. What redlining policy led to that?

[Austin]

Now you're asking a question.

[Bo]

Why don't you stop? Well, see, here's the thing is you

[Austin]

came on your admit that that's.

[Bo]

No. You came unprepared to an interview, so you have to go to ChatGPT for everything.

[Austin]

No, I have the notes which here.

[Bo]

No, no. Which you just looked up online wasn't your notes. So don't come to it. Don't come to a debate.

[Austin]

Have tools. I thought. I thought a tool was prepared.

[Bo]

No, don't come to. You can write stuff down and quote stuff all before. You don't come to a debate or talk to chat the entire time.

[Austin]

No, I talked to you 90% of this debate.

[Bo]

I've only pulled this talk at me, not to me.

[Austin]

Well, you haven't said anything where I can talk to you because you keep

[Bo]

interrupting every 10 seconds.

[Austin]

Well, you're not.

[Bo]

And when you can't explain explain something, you go to chat. GPT. Wow, what a. What a great debater.

[Austin]

You don't even want to admit that their racist policies still exist. You're just doing the same thing that you did on Jubilee, which is intellectual tap dancing, where when someone holds, all

[Bo]

you do is tap dance.

[Austin]

No, I asked what you say.

[Bo]

You went. You went to the. The Bible. And then when I quoted the Bible, you changed it. I'm talking about the government.

[Austin]

You misquoted the Bible.

[Bo]

You can't even let me finish A finish a topic. Dude, it's been a really sad debate to sit here and watch. Interrupt me for 1010 sec.

[Austin]

Love this debate. Love.

[Bo]

Yeah, I bet you did.

[Austin]

This is going to be one of my. I guarantee you, Sean, by the time you post these clips, this is going to be one. One of my most viewed. I guarantee.

[Bo]

I guarantee it too, because you've been yelling the entire is going to be

[Austin]

way better than Shadow Jackson.

[Sean]

Wow, what a statement.

[Austin]

It's going to. I. Oh God, the clips from this. I can't win.

[Bo]

You know what's crazy is like half the people are going to agree with me and maybe half will agree with you. I don't think reparations is a popular topic. I don't appreciate you coming to this unprepared and going to chat GPT every 10 seconds. When I asked you, you, you said no. And then that in that statement you asked me.

[Austin]

What did I say?

[Bo]

You can't even remember.

[Austin]

You don't even remember the damn question. So how the hell do you know I said no when you don't even what the hell you asked me? You just want to again, you want a win. You want the clips to make yourself look right.

[Bo]

Here's the question I asked. I asked you if what experience or what rights do you have that I don't? And you said none. And then you looked up.

[Austin]

I said the exercise of the rights is what's in question.

[Bo]

So. So. And you said none.

[Austin]

So I said the ex. I said none. The exercise of rights is what's in question.

[Bo]

That's me remembering the question. I remember your answer.

[Austin]

Remember part of it. I said a whole lot more. I said a whole lot more.

[Bo]

Yeah. Oh, and your horrible Trump administration. Keep it up. Man, I, I wish we could have had just an honest, like intellectual debate here.

[Austin]

I've been honest. But you've.

[Bo]

No, you've just been sitting. You've been angry.

[Austin]

I've been fact checking myself.

[Bo]

You've interrupted the entire time. You weren't prepared.

[Austin]

I was.

[Bo]

No, you weren't.

[Austin]

Why?

[Bo]

Why do you have to go chat GPT for three or four of the questions?

[Austin]

You know why? Because it's a tool.

[Bo]

Because you're a cultural Marxist and you can't debate using nuance.

[Austin]

And I am a. I'm intellect. I'm a Christian populist.

[Bo]

You're not a populist at all. Reparations isn't a popular thing. Neither is getting rid of just some of the illegal immigrants. So don't sit here and call yourself a Christian population Christians. One of the. Christianity is one of the most popular religions in the world. You can be a Christian. I guess technically you're a populist. Just the fact that you're a Christian doesn't make you a Christian populist. I disagree.

[Austin]

I'm a Christian populist because I. I don't give a that you disagree with me. I'm a Christian populist because I put the people over the fences.

[Bo]

You don't. You put black people over everybody else.

[Austin]

I don't actually.

[Bo]

It feels like a lot of.

[Austin]

A lot of black people don't like what I have to say, by the way. A lot of them don't.

[Bo]

Yeah. You know what's funny is watching Officer Tatum refute what you said and call me correct.

[Austin]

What did he say? Oh, he said, well, the white man was correct.

[Bo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Austin]

He never said how. I asked him how. He never explained it. I still have the confidence.

[Bo]

Why would he explain it to you when I've tried to explain to you for an hour and a half and you can't have the debate?

[Austin]

You didn't say anything of substance. You ran from the question.

[Bo]

So this is the problem is like we come here. Listen, I didn't expect to change your mind. Mind. But you didn't learn anything from this.

[Austin]

Obviously.

[Bo]

Didn't you grow it all.

[Austin]

I learned a lot from this.

[Bo]

You didn't learn anything.

[Austin]

I learned a lot.

[Bo]

Yelled at me the entire time.

[Austin]

I didn't.

[Bo]

And then when I tried talking, you

[Austin]

told me to shut the up within two minutes because your wife. Fragility of your ego displayed itself so quick when confronted with facts.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Austin]

Now, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you are not allowed to create your own facts. It doesn't happen.

[Bo]

After your constant interruptions, I got frustrated

[Austin]

and told you to shut the up within two minutes.

[Bo]

Two minutes. Why don't we run the tape back? That was 30 minutes in.

[Austin]

It wasn't 30 minutes.

[Bo]

I think my first question to you was why you deserve reparations.

[Austin]

I answered.

[Bo]

And you answered it in a five minute dialogue. A five minute. What do you call it?

[Austin]

If I gave that long of an answer, I must have been pretty prepared.

[Bo]

No, not really. You just ramble.

[Austin]

I would disagree. I think the audience is gonna.

[Bo]

You can disagree with whatever you want, but it's, it's honestly, it's sad, man. I came here hoping to create. Fix the divide that is between us, I guess. And you could not just. You weren't for it.

[Austin]

I have no business in trying to fix a divide between someone that is unwilling to listen to truth.

[Bo]

I know the truth. You don't. What do you mean? You're not hearing my truth. That's the problem with all this.

[Austin]

You haven't stated truth. You misquoted the book that I believe in and that I hold as my ontological standard. And I didn't like that. You lied about the fact that racism still exists in this country. You lied about the fact that black people did unpaid work in this country.

[Bo]

And because I didn't lie about any of that.

[Austin]

No, no, no.

[Bo]

And now you're just filling in space.

[Austin]

You lied saying that they don't deserve rac. Reparations for that. No. You lied when you say they don't deserve reparations.

[Bo]

No, I don't think you deserve reparations. I don't think black Americans today deserve reparations.

[Austin]

So for some reason, my grandmother, who's. Who's in her 80s, who's 86 years old, she doesn't deserve reparations?

[Bo]

No, not at this point.

[Austin]

Oh, wow. So someone who actually. Who was alive during segregation, who was alive when black home ownership was actually even more undervalued back then than it was today. Someone who lived through the King.

[Bo]

I don't think printing more money and giving it to people based on race is good for our country. I don't think people. Can't even let me finish.

[Austin]

I don't think people building this country based on race was good for the country. But obviously, wow, look, we created the

[Bo]

best society that's ever existed and gave you freedom. You're so ungrateful.

[Austin]

Gave me something you should have never had to give me in the first place. And you think that's great.

[Bo]

You still be in Africa for your own people.

[Austin]

Capturing intellectual narcissism. The intellectual. The intellectual you are possessing is look in the mirror.

[Sean]

By.

[Austin]

Fucking amazing.

[Bo]

Look in a mirror.

[Austin]

I love this shit.

[Bo]

It's.

[Austin]

Yeah, this is great.

[Bo]

You look in a mirror.

[Austin]

I. I do. I love what I see when I look in the mirror.

[Bo]

Exactly. That's what a narcissist would say.

[Austin]

Love it. No, this is someone that has.

[Bo]

That's exactly what a narcissist would say.

[Austin]

Well, you know, the Bible says you should love thy neighbor as you love thyself. And so I have to love myself, probably.

[Bo]

You don't love your neighbors.

[Austin]

I do.

[Bo]

No, you don't.

[Austin]

I do. Part of love is being tough. Part of tough love. You know, the Bible says you probably haven't gotten this far in the book, so I'll give you A scripture you can try to live by when we say so.

[Bo]

You can't even go 10 seconds without insult.

[Austin]

No, it's not an insult. You said you had read it. You said you had it. So I'm going to give you scripture.

[Bo]

You.

[Austin]

You need those. I love. I chasten. You know who said that? The Lord.

[Bo]

So chasing reparations, maybe. What you love reparations. You know what's also in the Bible? Do not covet. And define for me what coveting is.

[Austin]

Well, for example, that shows up in the. In the Ten Commandments, where it says, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, which means to lust after or to desire to be one's own. That's what.

[Bo]

But it's improper. It's also things to desire, things you do not deserve or to desire things.

[Austin]

If you do unpaid work, you deserve get paid.

[Bo]

You didn't do unpaid work. And this is the problem is you can't get.

[Austin]

You couldn't even admit my grandmother deserve reparations. And she was alive during the time.

[Bo]

You can't get through your own head.

[Austin]

You don't want to admit that you

[Bo]

didn't, so you keep changing the subject.

[Austin]

No, I'm sticking to the same things I've been saying.

[Bo]

This time I don't need to admit that I'm saying.

[Austin]

Right. See, as long as you. As long as you can say that we're good.

[Bo]

You can't admit that you didn't do any work. You can't even. Bro, you're going to make a great politician because you can't let anybody talk for 10 seconds. So you don't deserve reparations. You never. No, you didn't. Not uninterrupted at all. Constantly interrupted while you're sipping water. You can't even finish your water before you interrupt me. You did not experience slavery. I was never a slave owner. You don't deserve reparations. Sorry, bud. That's the way it is. That's like, hey, maybe your dad should have told you this. In life, nobody owes you anything. And you should remember that.

[Austin]

You know what my dad had me told, told me. He said, you should see the life. You should see life as a glass. And either the glass is half full or as half empty. And he said you should also treat people the way that the Lord would. And the Lord would never unjustly subjugate somebody based purely on the color of their skin.

[Bo]

Lord probably wouldn't yell at somebody for an hour and a half and interrupt them constantly.

[Austin]

Well, the God I worship, he did flip tables and tell them to get the hell.

[Bo]

So now it's okay.

[Austin]

And this is the same Lord.

[Bo]

This is you picking and choosing the entire time.

[Austin]

This is the same Lord that also loved his enemies so dearly that he gave his life for him while they were nailing him to a cross. He said, father, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing.

[Bo]

Maybe you should. Maybe you should forgive the slave owners that you never experienced.

[Austin]

Well, you know, I have forgiven them. And what I'm asking them for is not only forgiveness, but economic recompense. You know, that's. There's this thing called forgiveness and repentance. They kind of go hand in hand. You probably missed that part of the Bible too.

[Bo]

No, I think

[Austin]

you give someone restitution when you do some.

[Bo]

The Bible doesn't. Generations later. But.

[Austin]

Well, no, the Bible says every 50 years. The Bible says every 50 years all debts should be wiped away. So if America calls itself a Christian nation and the Bible says every 50 years, all debts need to be wiped away.

[Bo]

Good.

[Austin]

And you need to do the.

[Bo]

Wipe away the debts of reparations. Use your own advice.

[Austin]

As soon as white America starts being fair to black people and wiping away our debt, our credit card debt starts wiping away the fact that we're seven times more likely to go to jail just for being. Just for being black. As soon as white America undoes the historic, historical, psychological and economic damage, as soon as they wipe away that debt, then you can talk to the rest of my brothers and sisters about wiping away the memory of slavery. But until that happens, until this nation wants to really be a Christian nation and not just take the Bible and apply it half ass, then we can have a conversation. But before you sit and attempt to use the greatest book ever written to spread bullshit into my eardrums, I'm not going for it.

[Bo]

No, I just knew you were gonna bring it up, so I figured I'd better write down some notes.

[Austin]

Well, I would suggest you. Instead of writing down notes that you think are gonna save you when you're dealing with a real Christian, I would suggest you actually read the. The book.

[Bo]

Maybe you should act like a real Christian.

[Austin]

Well, real Christians call out, you know, Peter was great. Like, like, so was Simon, so was John, so was Matthew Christian. So was Luke. Yeah.

[Bo]

So it doesn't matter what the name is. You don't need reparations. I'm sorry, brother.

[Austin]

I think those men were pretty significant. I think they told the story of the Lord. I think their names.

[Bo]

I agree, I agree. But Just because you say them doesn't mean you're following them.

[Austin]

Well, it's. Well, I do follow. Not them. I follow the master who taught them, which is Christ.

[Bo]

Right? So they repeat the words that Christ taught them, and so you won't follow them.

[Sean]

You just follow.

[Bo]

Follow Jesus Christ.

[Austin]

Well, if they.

[Bo]

Aren't they his disciples? So don't their words count if they're repeating his words?

[Austin]

If they're documenting what he said? Yeah, but did Jesus say, follow them or follow me? What did he tell Peter? Did he say, follow your brothers? Did he say, follow your brothers or follow me?

[Bo]

This is impossible.

[Austin]

It's not impossible. It's impossible to get the truth through. Y' all think skull clearly, because you just want to argue and get your clips and your clickbait, but you're dealing with somebody that actually has studied history and understands that America still owes a debt. This is exactly why black people can say we have to be twice as good to get half. This is why Rowan Pope could give one of the. One of the. Excuse me. Joe Morton could give one of the best monologues in television history because it spoke to a legitimate truth in this country. Black people historically have had to work twice as hard to get half of the same things that we should have never had to advocate for to that degree in the first place.

[Bo]

I would say yes, in the 40s, 50s, 60s, or before yet. But now, no, because of DEI, you can actually work less as. As hard. Hard. In fact. Charlie Kirk, what are you holding up?

[Austin]

A 3, 4%?

[Bo]

I don't know what you mean. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk said it best. He's. He doesn't. When he gets on a plane and sees a black pilot, very sadly, the air. The air companies were hiring people based on dei, not on merit. And because man that said that the

[Austin]

Civil Rights act was. Was a. Was a Marxist communist tool, which is it. It. So I don't really give a damn what. And that's one of the things I was going.

[Bo]

Oh, wow, you don't give a damn what Charlie Kirk said.

[Austin]

All right.

[Bo]

A sudden, one of the best Christians of our time.

[Austin]

I was one of the best Christians. I was going to debate Charlie and am f. Before his life was unjustly taken. I was going to debate Charlie on that. About what he said. Civil rights. No, about what he said about the civil Rights bill. The Civil Rights act of 64, the very. The Voting Rights act of 65, equal housing.

[Bo]

So you think it's okay to hire people based on skin instead of merit?

[Austin]

No, that's the point.

[Bo]

So then why are you in favor of dei?

[Austin]

I never one time said I was in favor of Di. I said the D. I only led to 3% of black. Black people.

[Bo]

You've been saying, saying that Dei isn't racist, that Dei is to give. I stated it's minorities an advantage.

[Austin]

I did not say that.

[Bo]

I stated the stated goal was to give them opportunities, was to act, was to equal.

[Austin]

Was to equalize opportunity. That is not what it actually did in practice. I stated it.

[Bo]

Equity. A cultural Marxist talking point. To equalize outcome.

[Austin]

No, opportunity. Opportunity still is not equal in this country.

[Bo]

It is equal. What are you talking about?

[Austin]

If it's equal, then that for the

[Bo]

last 10 years it's been unequal towards white people.

[Austin]

That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

[Bo]

Well then you're a dumbass.

[Austin]

You're telling me 10 years, 10 years versus 250 that you never experienced it. Oh my God.

[Bo]

That's what you don't get.

[Austin]

It doesn't matter that I never experienced. The lasting net negative impact was felt by my grandmother and the people that preceded her.

[Bo]

Just because you get emotional about it doesn't make you right.

[Austin]

I'm not emotional. I'm literally trying to get you to yell right now. I'm trying to get you to understand. I'm trying that policies that are 200 plus years old can have lasting effects for generations. You know, there was a. In fact, there was a comment that was left on my Instagram box. Shout out to Alexa Noir. Alexa, this one is for you. There's a comment left on that same video that this topic started with. And I want to, I want to pull that comment because it's pinned. So maybe this, maybe this will help you understand. So two. So generation one has an equal start. Two men start with zero dollars. Same intelligence, same work ethic. Black family, zero dollars. White family zero. One man now steals land, wages and opportunity from the other. Black family minus $100. White family plus 100, not earned taken. Generation two, both sons work hard. The black son is already starting at negative 100, earns 150. His net is only $50. This continues. You see.

[Bo]

Let's talk about generational wealth.

[Austin]

You see how this goes down?

[Bo]

Hey, cultural Marxism, I love it. Let's talk about generational wealth real quick. Generational wealth doesn't save you. Generational wealth, wealth, 90% disappears within three generations. That's what the facts say. Due to several factors which include inflation, taxation and affordability. So just because somebody else got an advantage doesn't Mean it's happening today. I didn't get anything from my grandfather, I haven't gotten anything from my dad. So I don't know what you're sitting

[Austin]

here talking about generational fact that they didn't leave you anything that has nothing.

[Bo]

Exactly. So you can't sit here and assume that your grandparents, your dad is going to leave you anything either. And you're using that my dad do it.

[Austin]

He's a, he's a very hardworking man.

[Bo]

Doesn't mean the person before and the person before that.

[Austin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bo]

Because they ass off to get a little bit finish. You are assuming that these people are going to pass these things down.

[Austin]

No, I'm not.

[Bo]

And usually by the third generation, 90% disappears.

[Austin]

Not in my family.

[Bo]

So. So you, you could sit here and say not your family all day. Doesn't change the fact of what I'm saying right now. And the fact you keep interrupting is just proving my point that you're using a cultural Marxist argument which she just stated. Stated to basically prove your point.

[Sean]

We got five minutes. You want to do closing statements?

[Bo]

Please let me interrupted.

[Sean]

We'll start off with Austin.

[Austin]

This is probably going to be one of the most interesting and most clip worthy debates that I have ever done. Apparently I, a Christian populist that leans to the right, voted for Trump three times and made cultural Marxist. Can't really tell me with any substance how. But I'll say this to you, Beau. You are proof positive that the white male ego is very fragile in this country. You are proof positive that the net net of it is you refuse to tell the truth. You are in fact the typical type of white male that we are afraid of in this country because you are afraid of facts. You are great at creating and enhancing your own opinions, but you are horrendously bad at listening to understand versus listening to respond. And so for those of you that watch this, I say this to you, research everything that I'm saying, saying look at the facts and the data for yourself. And if I'm wrong, you come back in the comments and tell me, but I got $1,000 says y' all are gonna come back and be like, oh well, Austin is right.

[Bo]

Well, while my opponent just sat there and insulted me with his final statement, what I will say is nobody owes you anything in this life. You were never a slave. You never owned slaves. Reparations are unnecessary. It would be a tax negative to the entire economy and it'd be bad for us. I believe that all of you deserve equal opportunity. Opportunity. I believe all of you deserve equal justice under the law. Our past is abhorrent. Despite that, we need to move into a future where everybody has equal opportunity. Regarding the cultural Marxism, guys, don't preach cultural Marxist talking points. And I don't have to call you a cultural Marxist. Let's talk about the facts of the debate rather than the oppressor versus the oppressed. I really want this nation to succeed, and I hope that we can get past this dark chapter in our life. Another word of advice, don't be a victim. There's no sense in you complaining about the past that you never went through. I want you to put every. Every day, I want you to wake up and put your front foot forward. I don't want you to seize the day. I want you to colonize it. Have a great one.

[Austin]

Thanks.

[Sean]

Check them out, guys. We'll link their socials below. Thanks for coming on, gentlemen. See you guys.

[Bo]

Thanks for staying all the way to the end.

[Sean]

And guys, it means a lot to me if you could please leave a review on Apple that helps us climb the charts, it helps us get way more guests, and it helps us continue growing the podcast and the team. So it would mean a lot to me if you left the review on Apple or wherever else you're listening. Thanks so much.