How AI Is Revolutionizing Music Creation | Bonnie X Clyde DSH #1174

Summary

Digital Social Hour: How AI Is Revolutionizing Music Creation | Bonnie X Clyde DSH #1174

Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Bonnie, Clyde, Paige, and Danielle
Release Date: February 11, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly engages in an insightful conversation with the dynamic music duo Bonnie X Clyde, along with their collaborators Paige and Danielle. The discussion delves into the transformative impact of Artificial Intelligence (AI) on music creation, the evolution of their musical journey, festival experiences, and the personal practices that sustain their creative energy.

The Genesis of Bonnie X Clyde

Bonnie X Clyde recounts their origin story, highlighting their early days in high school and the eventual formation of their musical partnership in college. Bonnie shares:

“We were making music under it [Vibrato], and I just saw a lot more people like, oh, this is cool. Better reaction.”
[12:45]

The duo initially struggled with their financial situation, living frugally in Miami while pursuing their passion. Their breakthrough came when their track "Rise Above" was picked up by Trap Nation, leading to a surge in popularity and their first management deal.

Musical Evolution and Success

As their career progressed, Bonnie X Clyde transitioned from bass-heavy tracks to more melodic house music, aiming to appeal to a broader international audience. Bonnie explains:

“Afro house is like a very piano-based, kind of tribal, percussion-oriented thing. It’s very palatable so you can party on it for 12 hours.”
[17:16]

Their single "Bass Jam" topped US Dance radio charts, cementing their status in the EDM scene. This success provided them with opportunities to tour extensively and collaborate with major artists, including an unforgettable experience opening for Tiësto at the Brooklyn Mirage.

Festival Performances and Experiences

The conversation shifts to their vibrant festival experiences, where they perform to massive crowds. Clyde shares a personal anecdote:

“I bought something from some random guy, came out of his sock and. Yeah. Almost died.”
[05:14]

Despite the occasional mishap, performing at events like EDC Vegas and Electric Zoo has been exhilarating. Paige highlights the differences in performing at various venues:

“We do play music festival sets, I think differently than club sets.”
[04:16]

Bonnie emphasizes the importance of audience connection, whether performing to thousands or in intimate club settings:

“When you’re on one of those big stages and there’s 30,000, you’re not really connecting with... when you’re at a club and they’re right there, you can see how much fun they’re really having.”
[09:35]

Creative Process and Adaptation

Bonnie X Clyde discusses their creative synergy and how they balance visionary ideas with tactical execution. Bonnie states:

“I like to understand why and who’s it for and what the emotion that I’m trying to evoke out of the person that’s going to be consuming.”
[26:52]

Paige adds that her spontaneous creativity complements Clyde’s strategic approach, allowing them to produce unique and impactful music consistently.

Embracing AI in Music Creation

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the utilization of AI in their music production. Clyde inquires about their experiences:

“Have you guys used AI to make any songs yet?”
[26:39]

Bonnie confirms their innovative use of AI, including generating intros with voices like Morgan Freeman and training models to replicate Paige's vocals:

“We’ve made like intros and like we had Morgan Freeman do our intro.”
[28:31]

Paige reflects on the dual nature of AI in music:

“It makes me feel like sometimes I’m like, okay, well, there are parts that it’s not hitting perfectly, which feels good. But at the same time, I’m like, oh, no, if I lose my voice, I’ll be good. But it’s also scary.”
[29:13]

They discuss the ethical implications and future potential of AI-generated music, acknowledging both the opportunities for creativity and the challenges of authenticity and artist rights.

Personal Practices: Meditation, Burnout, and Mental Health

The guests open up about their personal strategies to manage the pressures of their demanding careers. Bonnie shares her approach to maintaining mental clarity:

“I’m ascending into the universe and the speed of light when I’m doing that.”
[22:21]

Clyde emphasizes the importance of practices like breathwork and gratitude journaling to combat anxiety and prevent burnout:

“I have a gratitude journal every morning. Non-negotiable. 10 things.”
[24:37]

Paige discusses the societal pressures of constant busyness and how intentional relaxation practices like meditation help her maintain balance:

“Our schedule causes us to be really busy.”
[23:48]

Their candid conversation highlights the necessity of self-care and mindfulness in sustaining a successful and fulfilling career in the music industry.

Future Plans and Upcoming Performances

Looking ahead, Bonnie X Clyde shares their excitement about upcoming performances, including their participation in F1 events and future collaborations with renowned artists like Tiësto:

“We’re gonna put something together [with Tiësto].”
[32:13]

They also mention their plans to continue leveraging AI tools to enhance their music and expand their global reach, while staying true to their artistic vision.

Notable Quotes

• Bonnie on AI and Creativity:
  “We’ve trained a model, so if people send us demos, I can go and separate... our boy actually created it.”
  [28:37]

• Clyde on Maintaining Momentum:
  “I have a gratitude journal every morning. Non-negotiable. 10 things.”
  [24:37]

• Paige on Meditation and Balance:
  “Our schedule causes us to be really busy.”
  [23:48]

Conclusion

In this episode, Digital Social Hour offers a comprehensive look into how AI is reshaping the landscape of music creation through the experiences of Bonnie X Clyde. From their humble beginnings and rise to fame to their thoughtful integration of technology and personal wellness practices, the conversation provides valuable insights into the future of the music industry. Listeners gain an appreciation for the delicate balance between creativity, technology, and mental health that drives successful artistry in the digital age.

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Where to Find Bonnie X Clyde:

• Spotify
• Apple Music
• Instagram

Be sure to check out their latest tracks and upcoming performances to stay connected with their evolving musical journey.

Transcript

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[Bonnie]

I mean, during our shows, I get pretty scared.

[Clyde]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Bonnie]

Just put that with that.

[Clyde]

I mean, some of them are wild.

[Paige]

There was one time I, like, jumped on top of a crowd at a festival, and I never did it again.

[Clyde]

Oh, you crowd surf?

[Paige]

Yeah. They didn't carry me up the whole way. Oh, yeah.

[Clyde]

Damn.

[Paige]

I didn't get too hurt, but it was like, okay, I won't be doing this.

[Clyde]

All right, guys. Bonnie X, Clyde, Paige and Danielle here today. Thanks for coming on, guys.

[Paige]

Thanks for having us.

[Clyde]

Yeah, I'm excited to see you guys play. Do you guys play often?

[Paige]

We used to play a lot more. I would say in the last couple months, we haven't been playing as crazy, but we used to host a game. We lived in the same house with a lot of producers and musicians, and we used to host a game in Los Angeles every Tuesday.

[Bonnie]

I think it was when we were touring, starting, like 2017 through 2019, we were traveling around the country in St. Louis and Boston and playing these places where there'd be casinos and then we'd stay and play. And that led into when Covid happened, where we had a lot of time and we decided to actually get a poker table for our house and just play with the friends. But that led to us, like, Tuesdays and Thursdays for like 12 hours, just buying and nothing crazy, you know, 200 buy ins with a pound of wheat on the table kind of thing, and just going around playing for hours and hours. And that's how we really fell in love with the game.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

And there have even been periods recently in the last two years where I started. I did. I went on like a PLO binge. If you guys know about plo, that's the set.

[Clyde]

The five hand card or whatever.

[Bonnie]

Four cards. Yeah, I prefer four card PLO rather than five card. The math is kind of harder.

[Clyde]

Interesting. Why is it harder?

[Bonnie]

One more card. And also, it's not even like when you're thinking about two cards, you're just kind of like doubling, halfing.

[Clyde]

Oh, okay.

[Bonnie]

Where there's that fifth card, it kind of leads to.

[Clyde]

I can't even understand when I see clips of the five card. I don't understand what's going on.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, just more. More variants. We call it in the poker room, we call it poker bingo because it's. You could have the nuts on the turn and then all of a sudden on the river, you're so far behind, but you're already so committed with your stack or most likely all in at that point.

[Clyde]

Damn. Yeah, I like the basic 2, 2 card, personally. What about you?

[Paige]

Me too.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

It's simple. It's nice and easy.

[Paige]

I'm definitely not a PLO girl.

[Clyde]

Yeah, PLO is a whole. Another game. You like PLL more though, you said?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I just. I like dopamine.

[Clyde]

And that really invokes that you're a dopamine junkie.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, definitely.

[Clyde]

Okay. That makes sense with your. With your profession, right? Yeah, that makes sense.

[Bonnie]

Just chase louder and bigger crowds every weekend.

[Clyde]

Yeah. You get fueled off that energy, right?

[Bonnie]

Definitely.

[Clyde]

What's the biggest crowd you guys have done?

[Bonnie]

Probably 30, 000 people. It would be like EDC.

[Paige]

EDC Vegas.

[Bonnie]

Vegas. Or we played a really sick crowd. EDC Mexico.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

I didn't know they had Mexico.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Pretty big.

[Bonnie]

That was pretty electric.

[Clyde]

30, 000 people.

[Paige]

EDC Vegas, I think was the biggest, though.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. 2019 EDC Vegas. Maybe EDC Orlando.

[Paige]

Oh, yeah. EDIEC Orlando two years ago.

[Bonnie]

Electric Zoo is pretty sick too. That was pretty up there. Probably 20, 000.

[Clyde]

Holy crap. And do you change your set based off the crowd size or is it the same kind of vibe every time?

[Paige]

We do play music festival sets, I think differently than club sets.

[Clyde]

Okay.

[Paige]

Not necessarily based on the crowd size, but more like the stage and how we're performing with the stage. Because I sing on all of our sets, so whether there's a full stage or just a booth kind of changes our setup.

[Clyde]

I didn't know you sang during them. That's not common in EDM. Right. I don't know.

[Bonnie]

Less common. Maybe like under 5% or even less. But it also depends on the stage format. You know, we really like if there's a catwalk or a front stage and things of that nature rather than just standing up on the DJ booth. And also some festivals are more electronic, rave oriented. Festivals versus when we played Lollapalooza, like, they want to hear you sing. They, you know, the. There's a bigger stage, the crowd's there and hearing more people singing, so the live performance is more palatable.

[Clyde]

Yeah. I went to Lollapalooza once. I thought I was gonna die.

[Bonnie]

Why?

[Clyde]

Let's just say I bought something from some random guy, came out of his sock and. Yeah. Almost died.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Always know your source, guys.

[Clyde]

Yeah, that was a sketchy little. I don't even know what to call that experience.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

A bad trip.

[Clyde]

Yeah. Shout out to Lalapalooza, though.

[Bonnie]

Definitely a lot of people.

[Paige]

Great festival.

[Clyde]

Yeah, that was a fun one. I've been to Firefly. Is that what it's called?

[Paige]

Yeah, Firefly is great.

[Clyde]

Firefly. Yeah. I haven't been at festivals in a while. Are they still pretty popping these days?

[Bonnie]

Absolutely.

[Paige]

Oh, yeah.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I feel like they're getting more diversified on who they're booking and people are getting more creative on how they're formatting the festival. Not just putting a stage, but creating art installations or experience based things within. Going from stage to stage that just, you know, increases the joy of the festival goer.

[Paige]

I think new ones keep coming up too.

[Clyde]

Right. So it's more than just music knowledge.

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[Bonnie]

Absolutely.

[Clyde]

Oh yeah, that's cool.

[Paige]

Yeah, I mean insomniac events, like really knows how to throw festivals because it's not just about putting a stage up. Like they have to take you through a whole experience. They have so many different festivals based on like either whether it's Halloween or I mean edc, Vegas is pretty Vegas oriented.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, they make it less about the artist and more about the headliner. And they say the headliner is the attendees. Ultimately it's about them.

[Clyde]

So they bring in all the people. Right.

[Bonnie]

I mean the people are the headliners.

[Paige]

People are the headliners, like about the experience they're gonna have.

[Clyde]

That's an interesting thought process.

[Bonnie]

So it's centric around them.

[Clyde]

Okay. And do you like that vibe more?

[Bonnie]

I just like variation in my experience in general. I think just doing that would be boring. And just doing where everybody's really there for the songwriting or the singing element. Just diversification, more variance.

[Clyde]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Paige]

I think I get just as much joy when we perform a festival to a lot of people where we're experiencing the whole festival and playing to larger crowds. It's the same as playing to a smaller room where everyone in the room is singing along to all your music and it's like a sweatier environment.

[Bonnie]

And yeah, like 500 people in a Club where people are closer. Like, I can have just as much fun playing that as, you know, the 30,000 crowd now. Sometimes. More fun.

[Paige]

More fun. Yeah, because you really get to. Sometimes you're far away on stage and see their reaction to your songs more.

[Bonnie]

Or when you're on one of those big stages and there's 30,000, you're not really connecting with. And, like, when you're looking at people, you can't really, like, see their soul in their eyes. And when you're at a club and they're right there, you can see how much fun they're really having.

[Clyde]

And your soul, you guys are a little spiritual. Love it. Yeah, I love spirituality, actually. Big on psychedelics. Big on, like, I've done past life therapy. I've done all that stuff. I've done reiki healing.

[Paige]

That is so cool.

[Clyde]

Yeah, it's dope.

[Paige]

I like that.

[Clyde]

Yeah. Do you guys do any of that stuff too?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Paige]

I believe I lived a past life.

[Bonnie]

I live my life through the lens of hermetics.

[Clyde]

Hermetics.

[Bonnie]

Hermetics. And the main principle of hermetics is mentalism. Basically, the external universe is a reflection of the internal self. So I focus a lot on maintaining good framing no matter what energy I'm interacting with on this field.

[Clyde]

I love that.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

So you're big on energies?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. I. I feel that with certain people I meet, it's like the first thing I notice now. Like, how do I feel?

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And if they don't make you feel good or they make you feel heavy or, you know, misalign you with yourself, then you probably shouldn't interact with that energy.

[Clyde]

Absolutely. Yeah. Before they even talk, you can feel it. Do you really pay attention?

[Bonnie]

Well, if you have that sensitivity and the more you pick up and focus on perceiving these forces, the more you'll be able to navigate the world towards weightlessness.

[Clyde]

Absolutely.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

Man, we're getting deep here. I love it. But no, having 1200 episodes. I've gotten, like, kind of good at it, I guess, just, like, picking up on energies and stuff. I used to suck. Like, I used to get scammed. I used to get, like, mistaken.

[Bonnie]

It helps with one of the most important emotions, which is definitely empathy.

[Clyde]

Mm. Yeah. I've had to develop that, to be honest. Something I lacked growing up. Feel that, you know, I don't know if it's like I have autism and stuff, but I don't know what it was trauma. But I've had to definitely work on, like, empathy and emotion stuff.

[Bonnie]

Well, yeah. It's about working inward first and seeing yourself. And once you can really see yourself take accountability for self, then you can really see it in others.

[Paige]

I think a lot of people don't realize you can always work on it.

[Clyde]

Yeah, you can.

[Paige]

A lot of people think.

[Clyde]

I mean, look at Elon Musk. Like, he has definitely worked on it. You see his past interviews and you see him now, it's like a totally different person. Yeah, it's impressive. Now, I know you guys met in high school, so how long have you been out this thing? I guess, was it from high school?

[Paige]

So actually in high school, we were in the same friend group. And in high school, I had always wanted to be a singer and was writing music in the form that I was in high school while he was a dj. And we didn't actually come together until our second to last year in college. And we were at two different colleges.

[Bonnie]

We were on Skype every single night.

[Clyde]

Good old Skype. Yeah, I caught the tail end of Skype days. Skype and Oovoo and stuff.

[Paige]

Yeah, we actually. It wasn't Skype, but there was another program we used where we could control each other's mouses from. I was in Virginia, Something along those lines.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Or maybe we'd use Skype and then I would share my screen and she would use the other thing to do her mouse on the Ableton session. Kind of just developing whatever that was like the. The seat of everything. It wasn't like we had Bonnie and Clyde at that point. We had a brand. It was, in our mind was called Vibrato, which is like the movement of a pitch really fast.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Because I was a singer and I really liked it.

[Bonnie]

We just thought that was cool. But I didn't really, once the end of college came around. But we were making music under it, and I was. We were showing our friends and stuff versus, like, the project that I was working on. And I just saw a lot more people like, oh, this is cool. Better reaction. And once the end of college came around, we were like, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna call it? What can we really put our, you know, put our flag in, put our heart into?

[Paige]

And we both really believed in the music that we were making and like, us as a unit. But it wasn't till the end of college that we named ourselves. And I think it was on my graduation day. I showed my dad our business plan, and I was like, I'm moving. And I moved to Miami and we started our project in Miami.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, we were living $500 a month in the hood of Miami.

[Clyde]

I'm so fun.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I mean, it was a grind. I went to University of Miami. So, like, it was like basically where the broke college kids lived on the other side, south side of the campus. And I'll never forget, we lived with. He was a pot dealer and then three doors down was a crack house. I swear, we woke up one morning and it was like a music video with the step team and the ATVs and the barbecue truck and the whole thing. And even like within that period, like, guys came up on our back porch with guns, robbed all our friends and all that. It was.

[Paige]

It was really wild experience.

[Bonnie]

It was wild there. And we were. We had one gig once a week, $500 a week up in Fort Lauderdale or Palm Beach. It was called Lux. And so, you know, making 2k a month between the two of us, just grinding it out until we made this one song called Rise above. And we cold DMD it to a kid who owned Trap Nation. And he responded and said, yeah, we're going to upload this. He uploaded it. It got like a million streams or a million hits in the first couple of weeks.

[Clyde]

Wow.

[Bonnie]

And that led to like our first manager and the first wave of momentum.

[Paige]

And then we went on our first tour all around Florida. And from there it was kind of. Things just kept going up and we just kept continuing to make music.

[Bonnie]

Got a deal with Insomniac and Interscope. Had a record label together at the time.

[Clyde]

Nice.

[Bonnie]

And we had this song called Bass Jam that was maybe three or four months later, and it ended up going number one on US Dance radio. And that just then, all of a sudden, it was just off to the races from there.

[Clyde]

Wow. Yeah, because once you get a number one song, it's over, right? Like, you just.

[Bonnie]

I wouldn't say it's over, but it gives you a nice, nice year, year and a half to another.

[Paige]

It brings a lot of people to your shows that know your music and want to keep hearing more. So.

[Clyde]

Wow. So you guys worked at a distance at first.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

That's crazy.

[Paige]

First year we were making music across.

[Bonnie]

Skype, but we never released any of that music. That was just the. Like, figuring out how we work together, what the vision was for the music, and, you know, just keeping. Keeping the connection.

[Clyde]

That's impressive. And what a name, too. Bonnie Clyde. That's after the old fairy tale, right?

[Bonnie]

It was the bank robbers or it.

[Clyde]

Was a real story.

[Bonnie]

But yeah, in the 40s, they. Or it was 40s at the time.

[Paige]

When we first started making music too, we made a lot more bass heavy music and them being bank robbers and had this like edge to them. It made sense for us. And then the name just started kind of taking off because there aren't many guy girl duos in the scene. Especially ones that also have like a singer that goes out and performs.

[Clyde]

Yeah, I can't think of any.

[Paige]

I would say the other one that's like pretty big is like Sophie Tucker. Yeah, they do the same kind of thing where they have a singer and.

[Bonnie]

But they're really different flavor with the sound.

[Paige]

Different flavor.

[Clyde]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Paige]

But there aren't a lot and that's definitely been a huge thing going for us over the years. It's just there really aren't a lot of acts. A lot of DJs will bring out other singers to perform the songs they have with them, but they're not a singer. Yeah, like consistently performing as a singer.

[Clyde]

Yeah, that makes sense. Have you had to adapt the music, the style of the music over the years?

[Paige]

As a chef? Definitely as yeah. So we started off doing bass and.

[Clyde]

That was hot at the time.

[Paige]

Future bass trap music. A lot of banging our head around. And then we just realized I love songwriting and I really love writing pop music. And our direction just went more house and now we're definitely in the house lane. And we love writing house music and more four to the floor stuff that's gonna make people dance and sing along.

[Bonnie]

It's also more palatable for the international market. And as we kind of saw more and came to more awareness around what the implications of the sound that we were in, where it would kind of limit us in a way where we want to have a more expanded, you know, touring circuit. And we also. There's this general trend on when you're younger, like 18 to 21, 24, that the faster tempo music resonates with those people more. That's not for everybody. I'm saying generally speaking, the faster tempo resonates with younger people because they have more energy to move and go crazy for longer durations of time. But even as we got older, our preference on tempo slowed down, slowed down the more in the 120s, just kind of dancing and these kind of things because you can do that for longer durations of times. And you even see right now there's a genre called Afro house, which is like a very piano based, kind of like tribal, percussion oriented thing. But it's very palatable so you can party on it for 12 hours. So if you're because it's. It's just enough energy that it keeps you moving, but not enough energy that it over stimulates you.

[Clyde]

Right?

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

So kind of finding that the balance between that and where we were for where, you know, just feels right for us wherever we are in our energy right now.

[Paige]

Also, we were just organically making more songs that had fully written material where in the past, I mean, we played a lot of rooms that people show up just to bang their head to the bass. And I'm telling you, I've sung in front of their faces and they're looking at me like, please stop singing.

[Bonnie]

It'd be like a rock show where people just want to mosh.

[Clyde]

What?

[Bonnie]

Like the comparable audience to bass music and rock and wanting to mosh. They just want to bang their head.

[Clyde]

The mosh pits you're talking about.

[Paige]

Or they'd be like the. The snobs at the front rail just like looking at me singing like, yeah, please stop.

[Bonnie]

Waiting for you to play a faster song.

[Paige]

Waiting for the bass.

[Bonnie]

So kind of seeing the fans transfer and. And also grow with us. But I also feel like the. The market in general, people are becoming more palatable to loving more genres of music and not being such a, you know, stickler on what the genre is. So that's been cool as well.

[Clyde]

Have you guys ever been in a mosh pit?

[Paige]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Clyde]

You like getting in there?

[Bonnie]

I mean, during our shows, I get pretty scared.

[Clyde]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Bonnie]

Just put that with the. I mean, some of them are wild.

[Paige]

There was one time I like jumped on top of a crowd at a festival and I never did it again.

[Clyde]

Oh, you crowd surfed?

[Paige]

Yeah, yeah. Well, they didn't. They didn't carry me up the whole way.

[Clyde]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Paige]

I didn't get too hurt, but it was like, okay, I won't be doing this again.

[Bonnie]

The whole mosh pit at a dance music oriented thing is there's this underlying culture around Plur. Just peace, love, unity, respect. So if someone gets down or falls within the pits at these festivals, they're getting picked up and people are very. It's more of a loving environment and not like, let me thrash. And like, I've seen the rock and punk shows where people are literally punching each other in the face and swinging.

[Paige]

Especially raptures.

[Clyde]

Yeah, that's the ones I'm talking about.

[Paige]

Because rap shows are a lot different.

[Clyde]

Yeah. I haven't been to an Edmund I Like event, but I've been to the rap ones and the mosh pits are.

[Bonnie]

Actually sketchy yeah, there's. I haven't seen a single fight at one of our shows.

[Clyde]

Wow, that's actually insane.

[Paige]

Now BASE stages, even at like EDM festivals, although they go hard in mosh pits, they are very kind. Compared to like a mosh pit at a rap show, Like I wouldn't go near that.

[Bonnie]

Well, it's the energy of the artist, you know, it's what they're putting out into the world. And if you're putting out from a place of love and light, then you're going to get that back with the people that are gravitating towards you versus maybe some of the hip hop artists are talking about certain themes that gravitate. People that are on some darker energy that leads that kind of tension and also the what they're consuming. There's people consuming different chemicals compared to alcohol at dance shows which lead to less aggression as well.

[Clyde]

Psychedelics you're talking about.

[Paige]

Yeah. Alcohol tends to make people angrier.

[Clyde]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's facts. So the type of music, the frequencies you're putting out, do you guys look into the frequencies at all?

[Paige]

We do.

[Clyde]

That's cool.

[Bonnie]

I like that big on 432. It's my favorite one.

[Clyde]

That's the best one, right?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

Whenever I'm feeling a little sick or down, I pop up a frequency like a healing one or a loved one.

[Bonnie]

And it actually changes the sulfagios you're talking about.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So are you into meditation? Yeah, it's great.

[Clyde]

You guys meditate?

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

That's cool. What, what, what form? I guess cuz mine's different but I.

[Bonnie]

Feel like right now I'm meditating, like centering my energy using a mudra, keeping, keeping my energy inward and yeah. Just staying calm.

[Clyde]

And I'm similar. Yeah. I don't do the set one where you're like eyes closed and stuff.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I don't prefer that in the shower I feel like I am a lot. Or when I'm running or working out.

[Clyde]

Yeah. Even driving.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, driving.

[Clyde]

I zone out. I'm like, damn, I've been driving for 20 minutes.

[Paige]

Driving is a meditation itself. I actually in my meditation practices have changed here and there, but I tend to meditate a lot. Especially like when I'm home.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Paige]

In the morning. Like a practice that I do.

[Clyde]

That's cool. Yeah, breath work's been huge for me too.

[Paige]

Breath works great.

[Bonnie]

So sick.

[Clyde]

I had some actual like chest pain the other day and I thought it was like something I ate, but it was anxiety. And then I did a wim Hof. Breath work went away completely.

[Paige]

Wow.

[Clyde]

Just from breath work.

[Paige]

That's amazing.

[Clyde]

It's insane, right?

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like I can. I'm ascending into the universe and the speed of light when I'm doing that.

[Clyde]

Yeah. I mean, it's showing up with Game Changer because people try to put you on pills and stuff to fix your mental health.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

Like, you could just do breath work and grounding.

[Paige]

I agree with that.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And I think giving yourself breaks of substances is really good. Like, right now I'm doing a wave of sobriety just to find that next layer of self and then. But I. I'm like 0 100. So, like, I can party, but I always maintain control too and never lose sight of momentum. It's like all those forces balancing at once. But if anybody's struggling with. With the anxiety and these type of things, I think cutting off everything is the best thing.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

For at least a month. And you'll see, like, and then start to understand the source of where those emotions are coming from. And then going into the reframing of.

[Clyde]

Simplify your lifestyle. Right. We were talking right before we filmed about your guy schedule. So have you experienced, like, burnout or just feeling stress and anxiety living on the road so much?

[Paige]

I was just having this conversation with a friend the other day. I do think I don't have an addictive personality, but I do find. And I'm a bit addicted to being busy because my schedule is just. I'm so busy all the time that it's hard for me to relax. That's why I do meditate and, like, force myself into these scenarios that calm myself. Like, recently, I came off, like, a long, busy weekend, and I immediately started jumping into another activity of, like, being busy.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And I think that we do have to be a little more intentional on relaxing and finding calm because we're just always go, go, go. I think our generation right now is just like, that's all. Because even social media, it's like you're constantly on something or you constantly feel like you need to be doing something. Yeah. I just think our schedule causes us to be really busy.

[Bonnie]

So whenever I have those thoughts of, am I, oh, this is too much? Or those type of things, I always just come back to gratitude and be like, but, like, I get to do this. This is. This is what we get to do. Like, why would I complain about anything?

[Clyde]

Right.

[Bonnie]

And then it just helps me bring myself back to chilling.

[Clyde]

I could relate to both of that. Yeah. I have a gratitude journal every Morning.

[Paige]

That's great.

[Clyde]

Non negotiable. 10 things. Yeah, it helps a lot. And then. Yeah. If I just sit around, I feel like uncomfortable. Like.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

At home. Like I need to be doing something.

[Bonnie]

Need momentum, bro. That's what we're all chasing. We actually don't care about the end goal as much as we do of just having some sort of momentum in some way.

[Clyde]

Right. Because I feel like I'm going backwards, not doing anything.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Paige]

You know, but I do feel like I experience burnout. But I wouldn't even know that it's burnout because I just like fight through it and continue working.

[Clyde]

I did that and for years. And then it led to panic attacks, you know.

[Paige]

Oh, wow.

[Clyde]

Cuz it'll. It'll come up, you know, if you just put it to the side.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

So I had to like face it head on. That was tough.

[Paige]

Yeah. I think my meditation and my morning routine helps me for sure.

[Clyde]

Absolutely. I wasn't doing any of that in college. I was just partying, sleeping four hours a day. And then the stress added up and then it just collapsed on the floor.

[Bonnie]

Definitely no scrolling in the morning. Don't interact with the phone in that way because that leads to you conditioning your day around the micro dopamine hits associated with doing that rather than doing all the things that you're talking about or just stretch or drink some water.

[Paige]

Also, it doesn't really give your brain like the chance to do what it would want to do. And you're kind of automatically influenced by whatever you're watching. So.

[Clyde]

Yeah, that's a bad habit for sure.

[Bonnie]

I try to get into a creation cycle in the morning where it like trains my brain to crave more creating.

[Clyde]

Yeah. I'd love to talk to you guys about your creative process because there's so many distractions these days. It must be really hard to lock down and focus. Right.

[Paige]

We are very different creators.

[Clyde]

Oh, you're different.

[Paige]

I think that it's a benefit to our project that we're very different. But yeah, we're just. We're different. I think I'm like way more the type of creator where I like to. I mean, on the go, I'm constantly voice memoing. Like I get influenced by whatever I'm experiencing in life and I'll create in my voice memos and bring it to Ableton. But I find I create the best when I'm just alone and not influenced by anything. And I think that he's a little bit more strategic with creation. But you see for yourself, you know.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I mean, I. When I'm making something, I like to understand why and who's it for and what is the emotion that I'm trying to evoke out of the person that's going to be consuming for what purpose.

[Clyde]

Right.

[Bonnie]

You know, what's the offer? And it could be as simple as to make them smile. It's not. It doesn't have to be so deep. But as long as I'm understanding, kind of like, oh, we gotta get to Mars, that's the mission. Like and then kind of setting the frame along with the mission. And I feel like that's honestly what's really helped with our dynamic because she's over here like throwing all these ideas at the wall and then I'm able to kind of like funnel them into something.

[Clyde]

Oh, I love that.

[Bonnie]

You know, serves the market.

[Clyde]

So you're like the visionary and he kind of is more tactical.

[Paige]

I am always. I just have like all these ideas that I want and I. It bugs me sometimes. Although I do now that I've been doing this for so long, I do reference tracks and get inspired from like what other people are doing, but I just love the uniqueness that comes from like your own mind. And like I have all so many ideas all the time that yeah, I just want to expand on what I already have going on because I'm such a creative.

[Clyde]

Right.

[Paige]

But I respect and enjoy how much he really thinks about like what's going on in the scene and like taking my ideas in a way and like really putting them in a.

[Bonnie]

But every song is different too. And it's every moment and how we're feeling and where we are with each other or when our own individual journeys. And some songs is as simple as hey, let's go sit down and start making a song and then we'll just start and then whatever that first, whether it's a chord progression, a drum loop, vocal idea will be like the seed of inspiration. Right. And then it just starts growing. Here's a new branch. Here's a new branch. Here's a new branch. We just start building that tree of creation.

[Clyde]

I love that. Have you guys used AI to make any songs yet?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. In the context of what song do we use? AI that came out.

[Paige]

What hasn't come out?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I don't think we put out music, but we've made like intros and like we had Morgan Freeman do our intro.

[Clyde]

Oh, that's cool with AI and that's allowed.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Cuz we're not, we're not distributing it for anything other than at our show.

[Clyde]

Oh, wow, that's cool.

[Paige]

We also have been taking my voice and, like, a way for us to hear an idea with my voice without me having to record the whole thing is just using AI.

[Bonnie]

Oh, yeah. We've trained a model, so if people send us demos, I can go and separate. Because now you can separate stems with AI. So take whatever demo gets sent. Separate the stems, take the vocal stem, put it into our.

[Paige]

So I hear myself singing it.

[Bonnie]

Our boy actually created it.

[Clyde]

And it sounds like you.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, just like me.

[Paige]

It's really crazy. It makes me feel like sometimes I'm like, okay, well, there are parts that it's not hitting perfectly, which feels good. But at the same time, I'm like, oh, no, if I lose my voice, I'll be good. But it's also scary.

[Clyde]

That is crazy. So they could bring dead people back with the voices.

[Bonnie]

They need a model. So in theory, they could pull the stems out of all some deceased artists. They can't make a model and do it. Yeah, definitely.

[Clyde]

Yeah. I remember when the Drake songs, the fake ones got leaked and they were, like, viral. He got pissed and took him down or whatever. Right.

[Bonnie]

I don't know if he took him down or not.

[Clyde]

Or he requested to his label did I believe.

[Bonnie]

But I don't think there's grounds. Unless you can prove that the source of the AI model was him, in which case you could. But if you pulled it from videos where that's public domain versus the actual tracks, and then you get into a whole legal argument that's not fully flushed out yet. So that's like a whole landscape that's currently developing.

[Clyde]

Well, it's cool to see you guys embrace it, because I know there's both ends of it. Some artists are not, like, feeling it.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Like, right now, anybody could go on to this website called Hooky that our boy created and use her voice.

[Clyde]

Wow.

[Bonnie]

To create a song. And then they send it to us to approve it or not approve it. And there's like a licensing model really associated with that.

[Paige]

Oh, but I think it's cool. Like, anyone can go and use my voice. And yes, we have to approve it, but it just creates more of an opportunity to have, like, a phenomenal song with my voice on it.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Paige]

That somebody's sending us.

[Clyde]

And more chances to go viral.

[Paige]

Exactly.

[Clyde]

Have any of them got some traction yet?

[Bonnie]

No, there haven't been any songs that have come out under this model. It's. It's a new, super new tool that we're not Necessarily pushing super hard because we're waiting for the. The algorithm or the. Was it the model to get a little bit.

[Clyde]

Makes sense. Probably gets better over time with the. More reps. Oh, yeah, exactly.

[Paige]

Yeah. It's only getting better.

[Clyde]

That's cool. I love that.

[Bonnie]

Well, where are you guys performing next F1 this weekend?

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

Oh, nice.

[Paige]

The paddock on Friday.

[Clyde]

Let's go. That's gonna be a blast. Have you guys done F1 yet?

[Bonnie]

We went to F1 in Miami just to go. That was super. That was super fun.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

We did, like, the whole police escort going in, so all the traffic was just. It was fun.

[Paige]

It's actually a really cool story. Our last F1, we met Tiesto after we had been.

[Bonnie]

That's actually crazy.

[Paige]

We had been chatting with him a bit through DMs, but it was our first time meeting him right before he performed together.

[Clyde]

Nice.

[Paige]

And after we had met him, he was mentioning how he liked one of our songs. And long story short, a week later, or that Monday, I think it was, yeah, he had his team reach out to us for us to open for him at the Brooklyn Mirage in New York that next week.

[Clyde]

Whoa.

[Paige]

And so we went from just meeting him at F1 to then opening for him at the Brooklyn Mirage the next week. It was an epic experience for us.

[Clyde]

Saying opening for Tieso, that's like one of the goats, right?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

[Paige]

It was amazing. And it just. It definitely formed this relationship where now we really are excited to, like, put out a song with him.

[Bonnie]

We're gonna put something together.

[Clyde]

Beautiful. Have you done anything with Aoka yet? He's out here.

[Bonnie]

No, we haven't done anything.

[Clyde]

No, no. Yeah, I know. He's. He's everywhere.

[Paige]

We've played some shows with him, though.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, we did a show with him in Texas.

[Clyde]

In Texas?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

He's in a new state every day.

[Bonnie]

Midland, he's Oliver. And then on Saturday, we play in Mississippi, we play a fraternity party in Ole Miss.

[Clyde]

Fraternity parties? You're still doing, like, home parties?

[Bonnie]

Hell, yeah.

[Clyde]

Oh, dope.

[Paige]

Oh, yeah. I mean, if they. They come correct, they can afford it.

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Yeah.

[Clyde]

The big south schools, these frats got money.

[Paige]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Clyde]

They got the donors shout out to their parents.

[Paige]

They're some of the most fun shows because the college kids are like that in that area of life. They're, like, starting the trends.

[Bonnie]

And, like, that's true.

[Paige]

Once you turn them on to your music, it's good.

[Clyde]

They got a lot of influence, right?

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And there's going to be a Period. Eventually, where we're going to be, you know, priced out of that whole scene. And it's fun for us to go back year after year and hear the minds of the 21, 19, whatever age they are, and how they think about the world, what they care about, the music they're listening to.

[Clyde]

Right.

[Bonnie]

And, you know, I try to ask as many questions these kids as possible.

[Clyde]

That's cool.

[Bonnie]

So that I can stay in touch.

[Paige]

We get to hang out with them before the show.

[Clyde]

Yeah. Keeps you in touch with the culture. Right. When I had Mike Posner on the show, he talked about how his star was in college campuses. That's how he started his career.

[Paige]

Yeah. I feel like a lot of people are like that.

[Clyde]

That's interesting. Yeah. Because I guess when you're starting out, that's like a perfect audience to kind of test it, right?

[Bonnie]

Absolutely. And I feel like the Bonnie and Clyde dynamic, the girl guy thing, the whole formal, you know, how frats and the girls and they're all trying to interact. Creates a cool dynamic where they keep. They keep bringing us back.

[Clyde]

Right.

[Paige]

And they're just so open to new music. I find when we play new music, they're. They just get hype over anything.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. It's fun.

[Clyde]

Have you guys bet on polymarket before?

[Bonnie]

So I did the time where I actually used Polymarket, but I didn't put money into Polymarket because I don't hold crypto is. I bet with my bookies on the election, and I use it as the indicator on what to bet, and I hit everything.

[Clyde]

Oh, yeah.

[Bonnie]

And also while we were watching the, you know, the news, I had another screen over here on Polymarket, and it. It indicated way before the news cycle came out.

[Clyde]

I saw that.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. We knew it was over.

[Clyde]

Well, they arrest. You saw. They arrested the CEO, Right.

[Bonnie]

Probably because they're taking money out of America.

[Clyde]

I don't know what. What happened, but I think the FBI, like, raided his house or whatever.

[Paige]

Whoa.

[Clyde]

Because he knew the election results before they came out, right? Yeah. So they were like, how'd you know that?

[Paige]

I was wondering.

[Bonnie]

That's actually moves on the market. It moves based on the demand of the crowd. So you just feel it's an. It's a. Yeah.

[Clyde]

You knew, like, four hours before.

[Paige]

Right.

[Bonnie]

Well, we. It was 95%, but that's because people are selling and buying. Right. It's not him knowing what it is.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

But, like, that's wild.

[Paige]

I didn't know he got arrested.

[Clyde]

Yeah. This was like, a week ago.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I actually heard about that.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

I mean, that's a tough game. That's a tough business to try to create. Shout out to that guy. It's cool business.

[Clyde]

Yeah. Yeah. Got some powerful enemies in the sports bet gambling world for sure. A lot of money in that.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

But there's one bet on there right now. Who will be Billboard number one pop star of the century?

[Bonnie]

Is there a list or you.

[Clyde]

We got Taylor Swift, Beyonce or other.

[Paige]

Oh, gosh.

[Bonnie]

I mean, it's. I'm Swift.

[Paige]

I'm gonna have to go with Swift.

[Clyde]

Yeah, she's at 87% right now.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I mean, she.

[Paige]

She. She tends to take all the W's there.

[Clyde]

Yeah, she's number one right now. Everywhere, right?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

Even in the NFL.

[Bonnie]

Even, like, on our set. Like, I'll Pay a toy stuff song.

[Clyde]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Hell, yeah. I love seeing them sing.

[Clyde]

And do the guys react to it or just the girls?

[Bonnie]

I mean, ultimately, if the girls are happy, the guys are happy.

[Paige]

What's wild is I'm a Taylor Swift fan, but I'm way more of a fan of her first, like, when she was country.

[Clyde]

I hear that a lot.

[Paige]

Yeah. I'm not. Not that I don't respect her as a songwriter moving forward into the other genres. I just think she was so good at what she was initially writing that I almost just wanted to go back there. Because when I hear a lot of her pop music, I'm like, yeah, it's.

[Clyde]

Tough because you gotta adapt to the numbers. And pop's probably number one right now, I'd assume.

[Paige]

Right? Always pop. What's popular? So.

[Clyde]

So, yeah, you saw Drake go from, like, hip hop to kind of pop. And, yeah, people were like, I missed.

[Paige]

The old Drake, but he still, like, has done it all, I think.

[Clyde]

Not a lot of people make it that long. So the longevity is what is impressive, you know?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Clyde]

Same with your space. I'm sure people don't last long, right?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, we've been really lucky to last a decade.

[Clyde]

A decade's a long time in this space.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

And we're gonna go two more, three more.

[Clyde]

Let's go.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Clyde]

I love it. Well, you're performing at F1. Where else can people find you guys?

[Bonnie]

Spotify, Apple Music, Instagram. But the most important thing is the music. So wherever you listen to music, go listen to that.

[Paige]

Spotify is a great place.

[Clyde]

Okay, we'll link it below. Thanks for coming on, guys. That was fun.

[Paige]

Thank you so much.

[Clyde]

Thanks for watching, guys. Check them out. Foreign.

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