How I Built a 15K Client Empire (No Funding) | Ace Rogers DSH #1007

Summary

Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour – Episode #1007: How I Built a 15K Client Empire (No Funding) with Ace Rogers

Release Date: December 23, 2024

In the 1007th episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly sits down with Ace Rogers, a professional gambler turned serial entrepreneur. Their in-depth conversation delves into Ace’s unconventional journey from high-stakes gambling to building a multimillion-dollar client empire without external funding. The episode offers a blend of business strategies, personal anecdotes, and insights into maintaining discipline and resilience in both gambling and business endeavors.

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1. Ace Rogers’ Gambling Philosophy and Strategy

Ace Rogers opens the discussion by sharing his unique approach to gambling, emphasizing strict self-imposed rules. He states, “One thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules” (00:01). His primary rules are:

• Set Financial Limits: Determine what you can afford to lose and what you aim to earn.

• Discipline with Exceptions: While he rarely allows exceptions to his rules, Ace mentions, “out of 10 times, I'll say two to three times, I'll let you chase” (07:07). This disciplined approach has been pivotal in his consistent success.

Ace elaborates on his gambling methods, particularly in blackjack, where he employs a fast-paced, high-stakes style. He explains, “I play very fast, very hard, large amounts. I don't sit down in the chair for the most part. And I play big and fast, and I leave” (03:52). This strategy minimizes his exposure to the house edge and leverages his skill to maximize winnings.

2. From Gambling to Entrepreneurship

Ace’s transition from gambling to entrepreneurship was driven by necessity and opportunity. He recounts, “Once I got busted, I said, all right, I need something else besides gambling because I can't deal weed anymore” (31:09). During a period of isolation following his legal issues, Ace immersed himself in learning digital marketing, ultimately founding Dr. Multimedia.

Dr. Multimedia focuses on providing digital marketing services to private practice doctors, encompassing website management, social media, SEO, and more. Ace highlights the scalability of his business, stating, “15,000 private practice clients. And now we have Jet Digital, that has a couple thousand clients” (32:28).

3. Building a Diverse Business Portfolio

Beyond Dr. Multimedia, Ace has diversified his entrepreneurial ventures:

• Jet Digital: A social media marketing agency.

• Legal Multimedia: Tailored digital marketing services for lawyers.

• Aspen's Doghouse: A high-end retail store specializing in quality dog products, emphasizing fresh and premium items not found in typical pet stores.

Ace explains, “All that giving is based around digital marketing for private practice doctors and it niched out... Service based recurring revenue” (06:12). His ability to identify niche markets and provide tailored solutions has been key to his success.

4. Personal Life: Passion for Animals and Family

A significant part of Ace’s life revolves around his love for animals and his family. He shares heartfelt stories about his multiple rescue dogs, stating, “I have a lot of love to give, so animals are just always going to be a part of my life” (12:18). His commitment to providing the best for his pets is evident in his business ventures and personal life.

Ace also discusses his daughter, Delilah Blue, emphasizing the importance of teaching her everything he knows. “I'm going to teach her everything I know, right or wrong,” he asserts (14:12). Education and personal growth are central themes in his approach to parenting and business.

5. Overcoming Challenges and Embracing Sobriety

Ace is candid about his struggles with alcohol, revealing, “I had a really bad stint with alcohol the last couple years. I just got out of rehab” (36:58). This personal revelation underscores his resilience and commitment to self-improvement. He reflects on how sobriety has reignited his drive and ambition, stating, “Now I'm well on my way there now, especially as being as sober as I am” (38:34).

6. Philosophy on Money and Success

Money plays a pivotal role in Ace’s life, not just as a means of personal gain but as a tool to support his ventures and people around him. He articulates, “money for me is I always mention it all the time, like, it's my number one thing. I love money” (17:05). However, he balances this with a deep appreciation for love and relationships, noting, “I base my happiness on love and animals” (18:49).

Ace criticizes the conventional school system, advocating for alternative education methods. “Wealthy and rich people are going to homeschool more and more and more” (14:23). He believes in practical, hands-on learning over traditional classroom settings, which he feels stifles creativity and entrepreneurial spirit.

7. Networking and Building Connections

Through his gambling ventures, Ace has built an invaluable network of high rollers and influential individuals. He emphasizes the importance of these connections, stating, “We all have kind of a, you know, we have our own. So we can use that to kind of help each other” (41:09). This network has been instrumental in scaling his businesses and accessing resources that would otherwise be out of reach.

8. Views on Social Media and Giving Back

Ace discusses the challenges of showcasing philanthropy on social media. He observes, “people want to see [scandals]” (20:25) rather than acts of giving, making it difficult to highlight his charitable efforts without exploitation. Despite this, he remains committed to selfless giving, preferring to help without seeking recognition or validation.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Gambling Rules: “One thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules...” (00:01)

• Chasing Losses: “out of 10 times, I'll say two to three times, I'll let you chase” (07:07)

• Building a Business: “Anyone can start a digital marketing agency. Try scaling it self funded to $15,000” (32:28)

• Love for Dogs: “I have a lot of love to give, so animals are just always going to be a part of my life” (12:18)

• Philosophy on Money: “money for me is I always mention it all the time, like, it's my number one thing. I love money” (17:05)

• Sobriety: “I had a really bad stint with alcohol the last couple years. I just got out of rehab” (36:58)

• Networking Importance: “We all have kind of a, you know, we have our own. So we can use that to kind of help each other” (41:09)

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Conclusion

Ace Rogers’ story is a testament to the power of discipline, strategic thinking, and resilience. From mastering high-stakes gambling to building a self-funded digital marketing empire, Ace exemplifies how unconventional paths can lead to substantial success. His deep-rooted passion for animals and commitment to his family add a personal dimension to his professional achievements. This episode of Digital Social Hour offers listeners invaluable lessons on entrepreneurship, the importance of networking, and the balance between personal passions and business pursuits.

For those seeking inspiration on building a business without traditional funding, Ace’s journey provides a roadmap filled with practical strategies and motivational insights.

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Connect with Ace Rogers:

• Instagram: Ace Rogers CEO (Note: "No D in the Rogers Ace")

Transcript

[A]

One thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules. First rule is, what can you lose? And what do you want to make? You know what you can lose. You hit that, you lose. Now, the only exception is that out of 10 times, I'll say two to three times, I'll let you chase. Means go back to the cage, get some more money, and fire some more bullets. I found, like, you know, a few of those times. Like, if I didn't chase, I wouldn't have got my money back. So I think, like, with every rule, there has to be exceptions. But if your exception is, I'm going back to the cage 10 times. That's not very smart, foreign.

[B]

Guys. We're here in Vegas, and you represent well. Coming up with the Louis suitcase. Thanks for coming on, man.

[A]

Yeah, I always got a hard case.

[B]

Full of cash, huh? You're big on gambling, so that makes sense. Which hotel you like gambling out here?

[A]

When everyone lets me. Now I'm back allowed into all them. So I like the aria. Cosmo win.

[B]

Got it. So you were banned for a little bit.

[A]

I was banned for about six years.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Randomly called me up and said I could come back.

[B]

That's a long time.

[A]

Yeah. Did they tell you why I got caught structuring? Basically, I knew how to take money from them, and I'd take, like, maybe 30 grand a day, but I would cash out. You don't have to show ID if you get show chips for 3,000 or less. So if you go, you have three or four friends, and. And you got. You make 30 grand. You know, you go make two trips, maybe one at like 10:00am, go back at 3:00pm you can cash out all 30 grand without showing ID because I don't want to be tracked, because I know I'm winning. Now, you do that five to seven times a week. How much money is that? Right. Right. Now, you do that over a few months. 4, 5, 6, 7 months. Ended up taking 1.2 million from the REO, which isn't a lot for them over six months. But the thing is, they knew, like, that I was structuring. They don't like you, you know, they don't like you, you know, bending the rules, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Once they know that, they're like, okay, you're structuring. And I got greedy. I went back a second time in line, said, you know what? I'm gonna be smart, not use this three grand. I'm gonna cash out. Now. They asked me for id, and that's when they. They had me and they. That. They went back and they. This is the guy. He's been structuring for six months. They. They just can't. They canceled me, cut me out and kicked me out. And then six years later, they called me back, said, I can come back.

[B]

There we go. Was your game to make all that. Was it one game?

[A]

Blackjack. I'm blackjack. Sports, horses, auto racing, and that's it.

[B]

Okay, so a few games.

[A]

Yeah. Football, basketball, sports, horse racing and blackjack.

[B]

Horse racing. Wow. So you know your stuff.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking one of the best.

[B]

Have you always been into gambling?

[A]

Yeah, forever. Since I was 13.

[B]

And were you profitable at first or did it take some time to build a.

[A]

No, I wasn't at first. I was not profitable. I would lose. But you. You learn. You learn the game over time. And then I got really good at it, realized I could beat blackjack, I can beat sports. And I just kept going with it and making my bets bigger and bigger.

[B]

Interesting. And have you had to adjust the strategy or. It's been pretty consistent throughout.

[A]

It's pretty consistent overall. I have my own blackjack strategy. I only play six deck. I only play by myself. You know, quite frankly, I don't play against female Asian dealers. People. People are. Well, that's kind of weird. Well, go to the casino and go, tell me what nationality most of the dealers are. Go. They're all Asian and they're all female. And then if you walk to an Asian female and her name is One or win. What are you doing here? Like, what do you. Your name's One. I don't even know anyone named One or Win. It's like, I'm out of here, man. You're a assassin. I am not playing against you. And then you play so many hands, you realize that, you know, that nice old white guy over there, man, he seems to be a lot easier to beat than this freaking lady. I just feel that Asian people have something magical with the cards.

[B]

Do you feel like the dealer actually matters?

[A]

100 chip count, dealer, pit boss, you know, number of people at a table. I only do six deck. I play very fast, very hard, large amounts. I don't sit down in the chair for the most part. And I play big and fast, and I leave.

[B]

Wow. So you're standing.

[A]

Yeah, because I'm gonna pay four or five hands, ten grand a piece, unless I. I front them a million and then let me pay around 20 grand a hand. Other than that, playing 10 grand, maybe five, six, seven, eight rounds, and I'm out.

[B]

Similar To Dana White. Strategy, then.

[A]

Yep. Just go big, go hard, try to make a bunch of money, and go.

[B]

That makes sense. Yeah. I. I see the Asians in the background room, too.

[A]

Always. They're everyone's casino. That's the thing, is there's something about them with the cards.

[B]

They love that money. They love that baccarat. I'm surprised you don't play baccarat.

[A]

I don't. I. I was. You know, my boy is Mickey Mason. I know he loves that game, so I don't want him to teach me how to play. I know dealer, bank or something. I don't want to know. I really don't want to know how to play because it just seems too easy.

[B]

It is pretty mindless. You just pick one side.

[A]

Yeah. And I just don't think that's the game for me. It's a game for him, but blackjack's my game. We. We have different strategies. We were just talking the other day on my yacht, and he's like, you can't win your strategy, Like. No, I actually win with my strategy. I see your point. But probability doesn't really factor into my thing because I'm playing so hard and so fast, so quick, quickly, that I'm not really falling into the. The probability of the game over a long period of time.

[B]

Yeah. I want to talk about the yacht, actually. It's a Lamborghini yacht, which I didn't even know they made.

[A]

Yeah, they just started a few years ago. It's basically the only. There's two in the country. This is the first custom spec one out one. It's in San Diego. It's Blue Elios, and I got it about a year ago.

[B]

Wow. And why'd you decide to get one?

[A]

I'm one of Lamborghini's best customers, so when they offered me one, I just said, I'll take it. Went down to Italy, specked it out. It's 4.5 million cash. Paid them, and they had it ready about a year later.

[B]

Damn. So you hot. You bought a bunch of Lambos prior?

[A]

Yeah, I have like a live Estrado. I have Revolto. I've had the svj. I've had six or seven Uruses. I got Earth Performantes, you name it, Lamborghini has made it. I. I've basically bought it.

[B]

Damn. And you made all that money from gambling?

[A]

I. I also am. I'm a serial entrepreneur. I own five tech companies. I own a retail store called Aspen's Doghouse, and I'm also a professional gambler. Gambler the gambling has funded all that. So my companies, as I've been told, are very rare because we have no funding, we have no board of directors. It's just I've infused gambling money into my companies. I have a good strategy of making a ton of money gambling and then I, I funnel it into service based recurring revenue businesses off digital marketing. So I offer a service and I get paid monthly on that service. The main company is called Dr. Multimedia. We have 15,000 private practice doctors that pay us every month for digital marketing. Whether it's their website, their social media, their blogging, their video, their pictures or SEO, their pay per click ads, you know, all the eight, eight different social medias they have. Whether we want to write content for them so they'll pay us monthly. We keep their website up, we keep their email up, you know, we do their tech support. We can show them like text, texting services for their clients, you know, software for their patients and you know, their, their customer service software, things like that, we can help them get reviews online, you know, things like that, we can help them get rid of negative views. So all that, all that is based around digital marketing for private practice doctors and it's niched out. So once I take my money gambling, I'll throw it into my company that will obviously create, create a bigger pile there. Service based recurring revenue I was able to get, take that money, gamble more and now I've got a pile going back and forth of millions of dollars a month on each side.

[B]

Side. Nice. You got a very good discipline it sounds like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You have to be disciplined. You know one thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules. The first rule is what can you lose and what do you want to make? You have to know, you have to have a goal. There's a third one. It's like how much time can you spend here? But that doesn't matter for me. But if you know what you're going to make that way, you hit that, you leave. You know what, you can lose. You hit that, you lose. Now the only exception is that out of 10 times, I'll say two to three times, I'll let you chase means go back to the cage, get some more money and fire some more bullets. Because if you chase all 10 times, right, that's not a system. You just, you're just going to go chase, go back to the ATM and go back to the cage and get more money. But I found that, you know, you have to stick to those most, most of the time Know what you're going to win, know what you want to lose, and then two or three times I'll allow you. And you have to pick those times where you know, because you're pissed you lost. You're like, I'm going back to get more money. I found like, you know, a few of those times, like, if I didn't chase, I wouldn't have got my money back. So I think like with every rule there has to be exceptions. But if your exception is, I'm going back to the cage 10 times, that's not very smart. But a couple times out of that 10, you can go back to the cage, get some more money and you'll be, you'll sometimes you'll be glad you did a lot of the time. So those are my rules for gambling. Know what you want to make and know what you can lose for blackjack.

[B]

And speaking of rules, what do you think about the book in blackjack?

[A]

I think the only place you can get the book is in the casino. So if it's in the casino gift shop, guess who's pumping it to you? I play the exact opposite of that strategy.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

The exact opposite of that strategy.

[B]

That's crazy because isn't it statistically one of the best strategies though?

[A]

Statistically, over a long period of time on a six deck shoe, I would say yes. But look at what people are doing. They're playing 5, 10, 20, 100 a hand. I won't even touch those chips. They're bad luck. So I'm, I'm betting so big, I'm just, it's just basically me and you. Fly flip a coin, let's go. Let's not go over time, maybe it'd be 50. 50. Right. If you keep flipping a coin, technically it'd be, it would, it would go closer to 50%. But if it's just me and you right now and we do four or five flips, guarantee someone gets like four or one, you know, something like that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So that's where I come in. And I'm going to bet big and bet hard. So I'm taking myself out of the probability in the ratio.

[B]

I love that. Yeah, because you're in and out quick. Like you said, you're probably done within 10 minutes.

[A]

Always. Yeah.

[B]

Wow. You mentioned luck earlier. How much of that do you factor in?

[A]

You know, luck's pretty important, I gotta say. I've been always been just naturally lucky. Knock on wood. So for me, I think luck's a big part of it. Some people are just naturally Unlucky. I can like sense their energy a mile away. And for me I've just, I've always been a very lucky person. So that's part of it. But a lot of his skill and you know, having huge balls, being like I'm not scared to fire, scared to take my bets. I'm not scared to fire any amount of money.

[B]

I'll theorize this about your luck because I, I believe in karma and I know you are pretty giving. You know, I've seen you tip 10k to valets. I've seen you give away Rolexes. So I think that actually helps your gambling personally.

[A]

100. I'm appeasing the gambling gods when I do that. Like if I, you know, I don't really, I don't litter. Well guess why. If I got a big. I got a $300,000 on this game and let's say I just like threw something out my window, I'm probably going to lose that bet the way I see about it. Because that's not a smart thing to do. I'm not saying litter if you don't gamble. I'm just saying I try to appease the gambling gods because whether it's karma or religion or you believe in Jesus or whatever, there's some higher power. I don't know how nothing can be created from nothing. So something created this. I don't know if it's a big bang theory, but what created that? Something created this. And whatever that higher power is, I believe being a good person, taking care of animals and giving will say hey, I have to be good in your eyes. Because sometimes I'm a complete dick and an so that I might be well deserved in those. Those situations where I'm a dick and an but for the most part I believe whoever the higher power is or whatever karma is, they know this motherfucker's a good guy. So I'm going to back him. But it's like Wolverine, nicest guy ever meet. Bring the claws out. Well now someone's got to die. But then the day I think we all think Wolverine's a good dude. Just leave him with the alone and.

[B]

Don'T piss him off 100%. You have a soft spot for animals?

[A]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

You got a three legged dog, right?

[A]

Yeah, I've had several of them. One just passed away a few months ago and I always take carry Aspen. I didn't bring him here this time. He's back at home with his mom.

[B]

Wow. What made you so passionate about that? You think?

[A]

I saw the relationship my roommate had in college with his dog. And I always wanted that. And you'll, you'll find, like, I'm Indian descent, like, you know, red dot, not feather. And a lot of us don't grow up with dogs.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I just, I. Someone told me that is weird. So once I got my first dog, I just couldn't stop. I've always had. I always have four or five dogs at a time. They're usually all rescues. I've only had a couple pure breeds in my life. I'd like to, to adopt. I don't like to shop. And, you know, I think that's also a big part of my luck because whatever, like I said that higher power is, I'm taking care of animals that can't take care of themselves, and I give them really good lives. So that should bring me some sort of, you know, some sort of luck, in my opinion.

[B]

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I grew up in an Asian household and I had to beg for a dog and she never gave me one. But so as soon as I moved out, I got one. And it's been life changing.

[A]

And it's the best thing.

[B]

Best thing.

[A]

If you, if you've never loved a dog, I don't really want to know you. If you tell people, oh, it's just a dog like you, dude. It's not just a dog. I've got a kid, you know, I mean, I love my dog and I love my kid. Don't tell me I have to, like, love an animal less than my child. I love them both equally. I have a lot of love to give, so animals are just always going to be a part of my life. And, you know, by passing that down, like, you'll be able to pass that down onto your children. Like, they'll be. They'll be animal lovers. And that's huge because that makes, that makes for good people.

[B]

They're so healing, man.

[A]

Oh, you know, a lot of you people who, you don't need a therapist, you need a dog. Trust me, get a dog. Dogs are therapy 100.

[B]

I had terrible anxiety before my dogs. Now I don't have any. Literally none.

[A]

That's awesome. Yeah. My dogs are everything. They just accept you for who you are.

[B]

Yep. You come home, no matter what kind of day you had, they're still the same.

[A]

I say you leave. Some guys can leave their girlfriend for 15 minutes and all of a sudden they come. Not mine, but leave their girlfriends for 15 minutes, you come back where the were. You leave your dog alone for 15 minutes come back. Oh, you're back. That's beautiful.

[B]

I love that. Yeah. I think I might rescue my next one, dude. Because my first two were breeders, but I think there's a lot more fulfillment in rescues.

[A]

They really. I think the. The ones get rescued know. They know when you save them. That car ride home with that dog, that dog knows you saved it. And the bond you have with that dog is unlike anyone I've ever had. And I. And I've literally taken a dog home with one of my friends, knowing that if anything ever happened to me, and I thought this before I got the dog. I'm going to make sure he rides in my boy's lap on the way home. Him and that dog all always had a special, special relationship.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So. But I was thinking ahead of time, like, I'm going to make sure he's in your lap, so he doesn't really know, so he's going to think you rescued him. But. And then they had a. Such a special relationship, and I knew if anything ever happened to me, he would take Josiah.

[B]

I love it, man. That's powerful. You mentioned you had a kid. You have a daughter, right?

[A]

Yeah. Her name is Delilah Blue.

[B]

Do you plan on teaching her all this?

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. I'm going teach her everything I know. I. I think I'm. If school's not important, but I'm not gonna let school up my kid. If anyone's gonna up my kid, it's gonna be me. So I figure I'm going to teach her everything I know, right or wrong.

[B]

Yeah. No public school for my kids, too.

[A]

Oh, no. It's the worst thing ever. Like, they just teach. Teach you how to be good employees, man. I want someone in business, and I want someone who can think for themselves and who is just a good person. There's some, you know, aspects of school that are positive, but for the most part, I think wealthy and rich people are going to homeschool more and more and more.

[B]

100%. Did you struggle working for other people at first?

[A]

Yeah, man. I've never. I always say I've never had a job. I've had like four jobs. They've all lasted five, five minutes. I just walked the out.

[B]

Were they. What kind of jobs were they?

[A]

I had. I, I was. I. I was. I had the job where you clean up the cars in a parking lot for a grocery store. I had that job for two weeks. You know why? Because the first day they gave me the job, I went home and I came back and I clocked out two weeks later they finally called my name in the parking lot to come and like, hey, where are you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they realized I had not been there for two weeks. But I never took them that long. Yeah, it's two weeks. I never pushed one cart. And then like, hey, you, you, you don't, you don't really work here, do I? No, I just go home. Every time I clock, I just go home, I come back, I clock out four hours later, I don't push one cart. I had that job for two weeks, but I never showed up.

[B]

That's a depressing job, especially out here in Vegas with the heat.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I feel bad for those kids. Yeah, man. Yeah. But they don't know better, you know? They really don't.

[A]

No, it's just how it goes. But you know, I think workings for some people, it's not for me, especially as you know, in this day and age, if you can't figure out how to make a couple bucks with your cell phone, some technology, some Internet, I don't know, everyone. Even if, like, even someone of average intelligence has all the skills he needs to easily make six figures a year. Like, easily. Because, you know, six figures is not hard. It's just really just effort. If you put some effort into the digital world, it's near impossible not to make a hundred thousand dollars a year. Yeah, impossible.

[B]

I think people are aiming too low for 100k a year these days.

[A]

Oh, it's, it's not even real money. No, it's. My dog can live that for two months.

[B]

Yeah. When you factor in everything 100k goes. But when you got kids, that's not a lot.

[A]

It's nothing, man. I, I don't think I could have enough money. You know, I'm always going to use it. If you really use utilizing it the right way, you're doing so much for the world and expanding the space you have with people and animals and children and other, other people in your, your circle and your employees that I don't know. You have to keep making more and more money because now you have so many people depending on you and you want them to live well. So if I don't make more and more money every year, what's that going to mean for them? That means they're not getting raises. That means they're not gonna be able to buy new cars. They're not going to be able to send their kids to the school they want and take vacations and have a good life and live a high quality of life. So I think money for me is I always mention it all the time, like, it's my number one thing. I love money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Said it on Bradley's podcast. You know, money had a dick, I'd suck it. And I'm not gay.

[B]

I love that. I can see why you have five companies now. Yeah. You're really passionate about changing lives.

[A]

Yeah. You have to be, you know, and first, I wasn't. I remember my first. My one of that. My buddy ak he lived with me. He was one of my first business partners. He had. He had. We lived together and he moved out. And I'm like, I have to pay you now. I paid him basically nothing. I'm like, this is never going to end. And it hasn't ended. I still pay him, but luckily I pay him very well. And at that point, I didn't really want to take care of anyone. I was like, hey, give me five leashes and I'll be homeless. I'll make it fine. But now I really love taking care of people knowing, like, put it all on me. Your financial problems, you won't have. If you know me, you will not have any financial problems.

[B]

I love that. What's your comeback? When people say you're materialistic, I like.

[A]

Nice, but I also give more than you do. So why can't. Why can't I have nice, buy nice, have a Lamborghini yacht and also give away eight figures a year? Why can't. I can. I can have the best of both worlds. I think that's called America. So if it's just one thing, I. Hey, look at all the stuff I got. I don't base my happiness on Lamborghini yachts. I base my happiness on love and animals. Take all that away. Give me my dog and my kid and my girlfriend. I'll figure I can get all everything back again. I can lose it all and I can get it all back in easily. But what I can't get back is my girl, my daughter, and my dogs love that. So I base my happiness and law love. But I'm usually not talking like that to most people. I'm usually just money, money, money, money. So I show them all the shine. I don't show them the grind. But if you really know me, you know, like, I would trade it all for those three. Those three people, those two people and. And those dogs.

[B]

So you just put on that for social media, you're saying more or less?

[A]

Yeah, you know, it's just like social media is always. It's either like food on there, sex or money. That's all anyone cares about. Yeah, I, I've put out, you know, posts where I adopt this dog or I donated $10,000. This shelter gets no views, it gets no play. No, you know, what if I, and I've run a, a lot of different sorts of social medias and online presences and I, I noticed if I put something, some sort of scandal out online, 300,000 views. So people want to see that. But if me giving money away is like, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, they'll just say, oh, you could have, you could have gave that. Oh, you know, they're just going to waste the money, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it's like just what are you supposed to do at that point?

[B]

Yeah, you see that with Mr. Beast, he had to start giving less because he used to give a million a video, but no one gave a.

[A]

Right. No, you're like, you, I'm not trying to be Jimmy Darts, you know what I mean? But at the same time is I guarantee that guy's getting sponsored and I bet she's making a pretty penny off it now. Guaranteed as he should. You know what I mean? But there's only so many people that want to see that, like you give away. And I'm like, that's just. I, I give a lot. But also 99% of my giving doesn't have a camera on it and nor do I care for it to have a camera on it. So I really should document more of it so people could see all the giving that I do. But that's just not my, my thing. You know, I'm not trying to. Because if I go up to a homeless person and I, you know, and every now and then I'll do it every now and then, but not without thinking. I'm like kind of putting them on blast for my own fucking gain.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Right. Why do I put some. If I'm going to give something, I'm going to go tell you. I'm going to do this and then not show you the person I'm going to give it to because then I feel like I'm exploiting them for fudgeing my benefit.

[B]

That's true. Yeah. They could have someone they know watching the video that doesn't even know they're homeless.

[A]

Yeah. It's just not fucking fair. I don't want, I don't want to do that. That. So I, I just give selflessly without a need for any media attention.

[B]

Yeah. It's the game we play as content creators. I, I feel the same way you do. Like I'll have on a billionaire, a bright person gets no views. But you have on someone flashy, like a Mickey Mace gets tens of millions of views.

[A]

People. People see what they want to see. Social media is a up business.

[B]

Yeah, it is. Have you gambled with Mickey?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Blackjack or.

[A]

Blackjack. He plays black rack or. Supposed to come out here soon.

[B]

Nice guys should film that. They'll go viral.

[A]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

Do the casinos let you film?

[A]

No.

[B]

When you get.

[A]

Don't you have to be very discreet about filming? They do not like to film. And now that I'm allowed back into them. I'm not trying to play any games. I used to, you know, same thing he does. Let's just, like, you know, real quick, snap.

[B]

A quick.

[A]

Yeah. You know, why am I. Why is this happening? And then you just look around. But I'm. Now that I'm allowed back in, I'm not trying to play any games with them. So I just. I. I have enough problems in casino casinos as it is when I walk in, so I just don't need any more.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, you stand out when you walk in with this and your shirt. I mean.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You know, I'm not. You know, when you walk in this and you.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

And you sit and go to casino, man. And I'm just going to play. Someone in every casino every day has to come up to talk to me like, hey, what's all the cash about? And I'm just like, bro, we're in a casino, okay? And this isn't the. This isn't the circus circus. This is the Aria High limit room. What? Like, it's just some money I need to play.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is the way I play. I don't want markers. I'm not. I don't like markers because now I'm kind of borrowing. And I don't play on credit. I play on cash. And you can see it, you know, so when you see it, it's totally different than wiring into a casino. Now all of a sudden, you. Oh, you've wired in and they give you chips. Chips are just as bad, man. It was like, they're just chips. Here you go. Boom. They don't. You don't see them as money?

[B]

You don't think about it.

[A]

No. Same way. Reason people like, why don't you gamble online? You could place all these bets online. Okay, great. Let's say I put $200,000 on Alabama. They just beat Georgia. I had that. I won 250 grand off that game. I put. I Bet. Place that bet on the MGM app. Okay, Sunday. And that's all I wanted to do. That was my game. I picked it out. I nailed it. I won my money for the week one game. We're out of here. We're collecting. See you next week. Sunday morning comes around. You know, I'm putting 20, 30 gram on a NFL game at 10am because it's not a big deal. I go, if I lose it, no big deal. I got a couple hundred grand coming. I'm. I'm not gonna care. I lose it, I'm pissed. I want my 30 grand back. 1pm Another 30 grand. What's it, 5pm Sunday Night Football. Now I got 60 grand on a game. Now I'm down 120 on my, my 250. Monday Night Football comes around. I've got another 225, 000 on the game. I'm. Now I'm gonna be down 100. All because that. Because of an app. So that's why I don't do it like that, because I physically have to go and place my bets. So I collect my money and I leave. So I'm not. I'm not gonna go to the casino to put a 2030,000 bet in. I'm not gonna let some waste my time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So betting on the app, it's just a balance. So that balance, I'm. It's just a number. I'm gonna. Sooner or later. I'm. I'm a degenerate gambler just like every gambler. Next thing you know, Tuesday comes around. I'm just like, why didn't I just. I had a plan. Bet Alabama, take my money and run. That was my plan. But then 2030 goes into 60. 60 to 120. Now you got to put a big bet on Monday Night Football. I always say the biggest. The biggest idiots. The guy who's the most money on.

[B]

The super bowl, you know, Sean Perry.

[A]

Yeah. It's like, what? It's just a isolated game now I switch it for me, because Super Bowls game, that will take seven figures for me on. If I try to bet seven figures on a NFL game this weekend, they won't let me do it. But on super bowl, they will take almost any bet. So there I do my. One of my larger bets usually is on the national championship game in college and football and then also the Kentucky Derby, because these are three events that you can bet basically almost any amount of money you want to.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But if you just show up to a casino on a Tuesday to bet The Milwaukee Bucks, you're lucky if they're taking off. You'll be lucky if they take 50 grand.

[B]

Right. Because you'll affect the line at that point. Right.

[A]

100%. With a million bucks, you'd be surprised. Yeah. Not on the super bowl, but. Yeah. And people should be. They think like, 100 grand doesn't affect the line. It absolutely does. I've bet 10 grand on the halftime lines at the MGM on. On a football game. It moves a half point right away.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Just ten measly grand. I'm like, how much. How little is everyone betting here? And I know because I bet horses. So when I'm at Delmare and I'm betting the horses and all, they show you the pools and I know how much I've bet. And let's say I put 100 grand there and then the horse goes off with $160,000 on it. I'm like, Jesus, 160 grand, man. I bet 100 of it.

[B]

That's nuts.

[A]

That's like. I'm one of the biggest. Just tells you I'm. I know now I'm one of the biggest gamblers because 100. That 160 grand is mine. So when I see a line move, I know how little it takes to move the line.

[B]

50.

[A]

50 grand, they'll move it a half point.

[B]

How big is the horse betting market? I don't know many people betting in that space.

[A]

A lot of people don't bet big on horses. It's not really a thing. It's. There's only so many big races that you can really bet on. So for me, it. It's big. For me because it's pool betting. It's like poker. You're. They'll take as much money as you want because the house gets 17 of the rake, the track.

[B]

Damn, that's a lot.

[A]

So if you bet. If I bet 100 grand, they're getting 17 grand.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And that goes into a wind pool. So. So my 83 grand is going to get split among its wing pool and everyone else's money. So they don't mind how much. They don't care how much you bet. You bet a million dollars. But if you bet too much, you start affecting the odds where you're betting against yourself.

[B]

Do you sell your picks?

[A]

No, for me, for the most part, if someone's selling picks, they're not a real gambler. Why would I give you my information? What does Google sell? Information. It's the most important. It's the most. It's the biggest Commodity in the world. Information. So when people are selling picks, I'm really, I'm really suspect of that. If I give away my pick, let's say to a thousand people online, they all bet it even with their little, little, little, little baby bets. You're going to fucking fuck up my line. Why would I give you my information and fuck up my own line? Most of those handicappers don't have the balls to bet their own picks. So I used to sell my picks a long time ago. I would never give anyone my information anymore.

[B]

Yeah, you're too big now.

[A]

Yeah, no way. I'm betting too much money. I'm not going to give you my pick. Yeah, my information is everything. You move the half the line on me a half point because you're going to get my information. No way.

[B]

Doesn't make sense. No, you can make more just betting your own money.

[A]

Exactly. So why wouldn't they? Because they're not. They just want your, they just want to sell you a pick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And a lot of times they're selling half of the pick to one side and half to the other. I've seen that and I know some really good handicappers that I would buy picks from that I actually do buy picks from. I've bought picks from one guy for ever. He's really good but I know he doesn't have the balls to bet like me. That's why, that's why he, he won't. He's much more and he's much, he's much more risk averse. You know me, I'm like, I don't give a. About risk. So the handicappers like that that are good, there are a few of them but they don't have the balls to bet their picks.

[B]

They're a needle in a haystack though.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

The guys you're seeing buying ads are.

[A]

All just, you know, it's just a scam.

[B]

Yeah, it's a, it gets a bad rep your space.

[A]

Oh horrible for. Yeah, gambling. Yeah. Is a bad. That's why I don't go in that market because you, you once you, you lose a couple picks. Oh you suck. You suck man. I can lose. I can go oh and 100 on my picks. I will bet my 101st pick without any, I'm not taking any information from anyone. I know I'm that good. But I can go on a bad run.

[B]

Have you gone on some pretty nasty ones?

[A]

Yeah, I've gone some bad runs. I mean I'm good enough where I never get hurt too bad. Because I, I can sense out a bad run. So I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna like, I'm not gonna feed into a bad run. I going to like shy away from it and try to, and try to, you know, weather out this storm. But when I'm on a good run, that's when you're gonna bend more.

[B]

What's the best run you've had?

[A]

The most I've done in a year is 40 million. Gambling.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

I'll. I'll average anywhere from 10 million to 40 million a year on gambling. But there's been, you know, about three years. I'd say three years in the last maybe 20 that I haven't won, that I kind of broke even or lost a little bit.

[B]

That's still really good though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

17 out of 20 winning years.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

That's phenomenal.

[A]

Yeah, well there's.

[B]

Most people won't even admit they had a losing year. So. I appreciate your honesty.

[A]

No, absolutely. You know, I lose, I would tell people I lose, but I obviously win way more than I lose. And then obviously online I post my winning tickets only. Why don't you post your losers? Why would I do that? Why would I post that? You don't think I lose? Of course, I'm just going to post my winners. But it's if you see my lifestyle and from 2016 on my Instagram and you see we started out with BMW i8s and now you see what we're driving now, how much money we have now you've seen the come up for the last eight years. You can't say that I'm not making money gambling. It would be stupid for you to say that. I used to bet 300 on blackjack. 300. I'd bet two, two $300 bets. One was to pay my DirecTV bill and maybe the gas bill that came in. And the other $300 is where we could have a go get dinner at Prime Steakhouse in Blasio and I'd be pumped 600 bucks, man. 600 bucks. Now you know, we don't now I tip 600 bucks for a meal. So that's how it works. And now we're just betting a lot more. The numbers are a lot bigger.

[B]

Humble beginnings, man. Wow. Were your parents pretty, pretty successful or what were they doing?

[A]

No, my mom was a special ed, special education teacher and my dad was a textile chemist. But we were very middle class to below middle class.

[B]

I could see why you're giving now with your mom being a special Ed teacher.

[A]

Yeah, of course. That takes. And she. She had an accent as well, so she couldn't like, coming from. From India. She had an accent, so they wouldn't let her teach regular public school because you don't want your kid getting taught English by someone with an accent. I could understand that one. So they. She had to get a special degree to teach special education kids because it's the only job she could have in the public school system.

[B]

Wow. So where do you learn the business side of things?

[A]

On like. I always think the best business men are kind of gam. Drug dealers.

[B]

What an answer.

[A]

I sold a bunch of weed. I got busted in Vegas. I forgot how many years ago I got busted. Henderson got me North Las Vegas. Las Vegas. FBI. Dea.

[B]

Damn. You were moving volume.

[A]

Yeah, they were, but they didn't. They got me with three pounds because I. Wow. Because I. I knew they were on me, so I fronted it all out. So they raided my house. They only found three pounds. And as for all you professional criminals out there, which I no longer am, you never do two felonies at once. So most of the times when you have that much, you're dealing that much weight.

[B]

There's.

[A]

There's always gonna be guns involved. Always someone's got. Because you got it, you need protection. Yeah, I never have any guns. So I. I knew I just got a bunch of weed. So My felony was three pounds. I did 90 days probation.

[B]

Damn. Yeah, that's not bad at all.

[A]

Expunged. And then my lawyer said, you know, you can go back to just dealing again. I'm like, nah. Means do end. Because I was starting my digital marketing companies at the time because I couldn't meet anybody because I was stealing so much weight. So I was always paranoid if I meet someone like, oh, you're a cop.

[B]

You'Re getting robbed, cop.

[A]

Yeah, you're going to get me. So I'd be isolated. While I was isolated, I was learning how to. All the skills that I have now to run a social media or digital marketing company. I was learning online because I was just by myself all the time. And like, I was starting these. This one sports site called Point Guard U for Arizona basketball. And I learned all my digital marketing skills. So once I got busted, I said, all right, I need something else besides gambling because I can't deal weed anymore. So I started getting. I started. I got a couple doctors for doctor Multimedia and. And I realized how good I was at promoting them online and how many patients I got them. Next thing I know, I take a clinic from 2.8 million a year a veterinary hospital to 4.2 million in less than a year. I just made you guys 1.4 million. And I know all this traffic is mine because I drew them in with certain Groupons and certain specials and this and that and certain incentives that. I know that these are all new clients. Like your new client special is mine. This is how you got all these new customers. So then I said, okay, if I can do this for you, I can do this for a lot more. Now Fast forward to 15,000 private practice doctors a month pay doctor multimedia.

[B]

Holy crap. So you're able to scale to that.

[A]

Level, which is very difficult to do. Anyone can start a digital marketing agency. Try scaling it self funded to $15,000. 15,000 private practice clients. And now we have Jet Digital, that has a couple thousand clients. We have local clicks. That's just us. Social media marketing. As far as pay per click ads, we run all your, we run all your PPC ads for social media, your Google Ads, your Facebook, whatever you want. So that does pay per click. We also have legal multimedia which is now just for lawyers. And then I have Aspen's Doghouse, which is a retail store for just dogs. High end stuff you get at my, our dog store you can't. And it's just dogs you can't get in petsmart. It's just the highest quality of stuff. You're not, we're not getting pet, you're not getting Purina and Pedigree at my show. Okay? You're getting high quality food. So when you get it at my store, it's going to be fresh, it's going to be the best, it's going to be the best stuff your dog can get. It's going to be the stuff my, I would, I would give to my dog the highest quality. Leash collars, bowls, you name it there. And then I do the professional gambling as well. A little bit of real estate and just a serial entrepreneur.

[B]

Beautiful dude. Yeah, the pet stuff is no joke. I switched my dogs to raw diet. They're way healthier now.

[A]

It's night and day. It just makes sense.

[B]

Kibble is so bad for dogs.

[A]

It's horrible. If you could see how that shit was made, you wouldn't feed it to your dogs.

[B]

No shot. And yeah, people don't even think about the bowls you mentioned. But those are shit quality too.

[A]

No. 100%, no. I just, just got this new toy and I'm, it's working really well. It's a smart dog toy and it like barks at your dog, and it spins around automatically. It keeps them so engaged.

[B]

I need that because I got a herd dog. I got an Australian shepherd.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So he has a ton of energy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Those are. Those are very smart dogs.

[B]

Very smart.

[A]

They're very intelligent, a lot of energy. And, you know, you're. You're. You know, you're a guy. You got to be. You got to be working. So, you know, I don't know, you need a dog walker or some way to take that energy out of the dog.

[B]

Yeah, I'm a fan of smart dogs. I don't like the. The dumb ones, like, the little ones. The girls have little cats, basically.

[A]

Yeah. More or less. So, I mean, I like big dogs. Unfortunately, all my dogs are pretty dumb, so, I mean. Yeah, we don't win. New words in my house. Like, literally, my. I got two dogs. They're just Harry and Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber.

[B]

Man.

[A]

You get these two together, it's nothing but trouble, man. They think they got these smart ideas, and they just, like, they just go looking for trouble. But no, I do like. I like big dogs. I think a dog should be able to protect you. For the most part, however, you know, I. I've started and got. I've started. I've got a little heart for small dogs now. A little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've known a few of them, and they've grown on me. But for me, I always. I always get big dogs.

[B]

Okay. I just think the small ones are so annoying.

[A]

Oh, 100y bitching and whining and crying.

[B]

Yeah. You bring yours on the flights with you or no?

[A]

Absolutely. I don't go anywhere without my dog. One time, you'll see me without my dog. Just because I was taking a quick trip into Vegas. I just wanted to come do this podcast, and I'm flying back out, but we're gonna. We'll be. We'll take the PJ back here on Monday.

[B]

Nice. Did you gamble out here this trip?

[A]

Absolutely. Always. Yep. That's all I do. I basically stay up all night and gamble.

[B]

Oh, sure. I thought you were in and out.

[A]

I am, but, you know, I'm in and out. But there's certain games, and, you know, I'll go back and forth. I'll. I have a condo here, so, you know, I'll go to here. I'll go eat here. The restaurants are open late, so Blackjack. I'll go in and out, but it doesn't mean I won't do, like, six or seven sessions of that 10 minutes. During, during the night.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

And every now and then a session does get to an hour or two if you're on.

[B]

Yeah. Because if you lose three in a row, you got to make it back, right?

[A]

Exactly. So you know, I'll just go back to my condo. I don't go, go here, I don't drink. I'll go go get a bar, go to get a orange juice, relax. I'll start handicapping games. And then also when I'm saying like I'm gambling all night when I'm watching a sports game and it's, you know, it starts at 8pm Like Arizona will start. I think I know you know these everyone, Arizona starts tomorrow, I think at 8:00pm that's going to go to 11, 11:30. So me, I'm still gambling.

[B]

You watch the full game?

[A]

Yeah, I always. It's kind of like research. Gotta kind of watch the teams. I have certain teams that I love to watch. And you, you learn.

[B]

Do you have a good control on your emotions during the game?

[A]

100. You would not you, you'll never know if I lost, but you'll know if I won.

[B]

I love that. Yo, that's hilarious. Some people do not have good emotional control.

[A]

You don't want to be around those people.

[B]

Like you could see it, they start drinking, they start going off the rails.

[A]

No. Who would want to be around that person? You lose some money and now all of a sudden like people can't be around you. Now I always say if, if I lose, we're going out and if I win we're really going. It's what difference does it make if I, the amount of money I lose? Like what's going out? Spending 5, 10, 15, 20 grand. Not going to make a difference anymore. And if I win, it's definitely not going to make a difference.

[B]

Have you always been sober?

[A]

No, I actually had a really bad stint with alcohol the last couple years. I just got out of rehab. Damn. A month and a half ago I did, I did two I two months in rehab over in San Diego. Didn't really tell anyone, but now I'm proud of it. And plus I'm the man everyone should want to be anyway. So you know, people want to hear the struggle. I'm not perfect. I was getting drunk off my mind for the last two years. I wasn't the dad I should have been. I wasn't the fiance I should have been. I wasn't the businessman I should have been. Luckily I'm so hyper intelligent that I could maintain really well. And then now finding out, being sober as I am now, that I really wasn't maintaining, I really wasn't. You know, we're just making so much money that there's no problems, no one's broke or. We still got comfortable. Yeah, exactly. And that's. I found it pretty common amongst among CEOs, you know, once you have everything in life, that drive kind of goes away. You get complacent, you get comfortable. And I've got that thing back. I've got it all back. And now I know, like, I kind of needed that a little bit. Where, yeah, I was in the basement of rock bottom. And, you know, I, I, I was in a really bad place with my family, with my friends. It affected every relationship. And I've been sober for over four months, and it's the, the best thing that ever happened. Wow.

[B]

Appreciate the openness, man. Yeah, a lot of people would not share that. How did you re. Spark that fire?

[A]

It's amazing what that alcohol does to you, man. It totally killed it. And now knowing that, you know, I, I did kind of take two years off of my potential. Knowing my potential is better than most men's potential. I feel like I need to make up for that time.

[B]

I lost time.

[A]

Yeah, you know, sure, I have everything, but if I had stayed the course, you know, I, I'd be a lot closer to a billionaire than I am now, so. And yeah, that's something I, I want to strive to just for what I can do for animals, the world, the people around me. And, you know, if I get there, I get there. But, you know, I'm well on my way there now, especially as being as sober as I am.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I love that. When did you realize your intelligence was different?

[A]

I think in, like, seventh grade, when I got, When I got kicked out of. I got kicked out of junior high for calling in a bomb threat. And then what? Hey, I called a bomb threat. That was smart. I was trying to study for a test. I figured if I shut down the school, I could read the whole textbook. Oh, my Asian parents, man, you know, they put that pressure on you. I was strung out on my grade, so I called them a bomb threat. They called. They closed down. They didn't close down school, but they came my house and got me and, and I. Because I was scared of this pop test, so I wanted the school closed. So, Wow. I kicked me out of school. My mom took me, and then I got kicked out of junior high around ninth grade. I got kicked out of high school in 11th grade, and my mom took me to take the GED. I took the GED. I got my GED. I never graduated from high school. And I go, mom, I could have passed that in sixth grade. That's when I realized, like, damn, my intelligence level at a younger age was smarter than everybody's. And why. Why I'm getting in trouble all the time? Because you can't. You can't put people like me in a box in a school system. Yeah, you're gonna rebel. It doesn't make sense. And, you know, now I know I'm the most successful person from the class of my high school class. And I never graduated from probably the.

[B]

Whole school in general.

[A]

Yeah, 100.

[B]

Not just.

[A]

Not even close.

[B]

Oh, but that's relatable because I thought I was dumb because of school. I was getting grades and I was Asian, and you know how strict Asians are. So my whole life I was like, wow, why am I stupid? But that's not actual intelligence.

[A]

No, not at all. School. School makes good employees, man.

[B]

Yeah, you're just. You're just a robot. If you're getting straight A's and getting a job.

[A]

If I had to do it all over again, I got go into business when I was 18 years old and fall my face four or five times till I figure it out. Simple as that. Like, this didn't work out for you as soon as you started, right? No, you had your.

[B]

I started a pod five years ago. It failed.

[A]

Right. Ups and downs. Then you learned everything, and now it's, now no one can stop you because you know so much about this. It's like, now I can just. Now it's on repeat, right? They can't take that from you.

[B]

It's the experience, plus the connections and the networking. I've really focused on that. I'm sure you have as well.

[A]

100%.

[B]

I'm sure. While you're gambling, you're probably in some cool people in the high limit room.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, you do. You meet some high rollers, some really, you know, some people at your level, you know, kind of. And then you meet these guys and they're, you know, nobody really wants anything from each other. We all have kind of a, you know, we have our own. So we can use that to kind of, you know, help each other, to kind of multiply in all our resources, our connection. Everyone has, I have a guy for everything, you know, and so do they. So it's really hard to stop us when you have a guy for everything.

[B]

Yep. Yeah, you're one degree from probably anyone you Need.

[A]

Yeah. The first thing I did here when actually, you know your guys, like, hey, let me put you on this WhatsApp group. Right. Connecting everyone right away. And that's like an invaluable resource to have.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Every single guest that's been on the show is in one shot. And we. You're not allowed to promote your own shit in there. So we only help each other.

[A]

That's really cool.

[B]

Yeah. I hate, I hate when there's like people are just promoting their own shit.

[A]

Like, why, like that's just so disrespectful.

[B]

Yeah. For real. The lack of like respect for people is. People don't even pick up on that. That's, that's what blows my mind.

[A]

Common sense and common courtesy are not very common.

[B]

That's what I realized. When you grow up with money, I notice it's more common in those people.

[A]

Right. We have some class and some etiquette.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People without money, usually you can't take someone from Red Lobster to Delilah.

[B]

Yeah. Everything's handed for them, so they don't know better. No, that's not real life though.

[A]

No, I'd rather, I'd rather work and earn for it. Especially if you're a guy.

[B]

Yeah, I would. I would actually hate just being given money when I was growing up.

[A]

It would ruin you.

[B]

It would destroy me.

[A]

And when you don't have it, you look at everyone else who has it and you're jealous of them and you're like, I wish I had it like that. But not knowing, you know, not having money is one of the best things. You have to learn how to make it.

[B]

Most successful people, I, I'd say over 80% have no money or little money. Grew up in a rough environment.

[A]

I think they say, I don't know, 80, 90 of millionaires are all self made.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

It's all the poor people who want to say, you have a trust fund now. Think about it. How many people do you really know the trust fund? How many do you know?

[B]

Not many.

[A]

Thank you. So where are they all? I know, I know. I know One person with a trust fund. It's just not how it works, you know, you usually go out and make your money.

[B]

Absolutely. Ace, it's been awesome, man. Where can people find you? Keep up with you.

[A]

Ace Rogers, CEO on Instagram. No D in the Rogers Ace. Ace Rogers CEO on Instagram.

[B]

Boom. We'll link below. Thanks for coming on, man.

[A]

Any time. Thanks for having me.

[B]

Yeah. Thanks for watching, guys. See you next time.