How to Navigate Social Media Censorship Like a Pro | Charleston White DSH #1140

Summary

Digital Social Hour Episode Summary: "How to Navigate Social Media Censorship Like a Pro | Charleston White DSH #1140"

Release Date: January 25, 2025

In this engaging episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly welcomes back one of his most dynamic guests, Charleston White, a provocative figure renowned for his unapologetic stance on free speech and his entrepreneurial ventures. The conversation delves deep into the intricacies of social media censorship, the impact of celebrity endorsements in political campaigns, the volatile world of cryptocurrency, the current state of the music and sports industries, and intimate insights into Charleston's personal life and parenting philosophy.

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Navigating Social Media Censorship

Charleston White opens the discussion by addressing the challenges of maintaining free speech on major social media platforms. He highlights his struggles with Facebook and Instagram, where he has faced multiple account bans and restrictions.

Charleston White [15:23]: "I've lost over two dozen Instagram accounts and probably more pandemically. Last year, I lost eight alone. So right now my Instagram account is restricted, where I can't go live for a whole year."

He contrasts this experience with his relative freedom on Twitter, where he feels his voice remains unshackled despite the prevalence of negative rhetoric.

Charleston White [16:15]: "They got an N word pass. They get away with a lot."

Charleston criticizes the biased nature of fact-checking on platforms like Facebook and Instagram, asserting that these actions disproportionately affect conservative voices.

Charleston White [14:17]: "I think they were biased to their fact checking anyway. For many years, I think Republicans or the conservative ideology got pushed down on Zuckerberg's platform."

Celebrity Endorsements in Political Campaigns

The conversation shifts to the influence of celebrities in political campaigns, particularly focusing on the Democratic Party's strategy of leveraging high-profile figures to endorse candidates.

Charleston White [19:40]: "They were paying a lot of money to celebrities. That's what kind of bankrupt their campaign. They paid a lot of money for celebrities just to endorse that movement."

Sean probes Charleston's hypothetical response to such endorsements, revealing Charleston's skepticism toward accepting financial incentives for political support.

Charleston White [19:55]: "A million to support Kamala Harris. Nah, nah. Come with a little bit more."

Entrepreneurial Ventures and Cryptocurrency

Charleston unveils his foray into the cryptocurrency market by launching his own crypto coin, nigga (Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished). He shares the initial success of the coin and his evolving understanding of the crypto landscape.

Charleston White [03:56]: "It did 700,000 market cap the first day. Most people think that I was going to do a rug pull like other tools, and so I'm now really starting to have a better understanding of how crypto is. So now I plan on having that coin for the long haul."

Charleston discusses the transformative potential of cryptocurrency, emphasizing its ability to transition from digital assets to tangible cash used in everyday transactions.

Charleston White [04:47]: "Once they showed me that I can turn this digital currency into actual cash, I can go purchase things in real life with it, I was made a believer."

Insights into the Music Industry

The duo delves into the current state of the music industry, touching upon legal battles involving prominent artists like Drake and the evolving dynamics within hip-hop and rap genres.

Charleston White [09:08]: "You call me a pedophile in the song. Everybody took it and ran with it, kind of hurts his brand."

Charleston critiques the lack of variety in modern hip-hop, lamenting the dominance of drill music and the diminishing presence of socially conscious lyrics.

Charleston White [08:30]: "It all went to drill music for the last 10, 15 years. It just became one-sided."

Sports Industry Commentary

The conversation transitions to sports, where Sean and Charleston discuss the declining ratings of the WNBA and the NBA's current struggles with maintaining viewership amid the rise of "super teams."

Charleston White [26:44]: "LeBron was cheating. He was going to go get all the best players and stacking a team up."

Charleston expresses his preference for the classic era of basketball, reminiscing about the 1990s and the legendary rivalries that defined the sport.

Charleston White [28:33]: "I grew up in the 80s and all I know is great memories."

Personal Life and Parenting Philosophy

A deeply personal segment unfolds as Charleston shares his journey through fatherhood, highlighting the challenges and triumphs of raising a son and daughter amidst personal struggles. He emphasizes the importance of balancing strictness with friendship to foster a healthy parent-child relationship.

Charleston White [44:34]: "I became his friend and then we kind of grew up from there together."

Charleston reflects on how his daughter has been a catalyst for his personal growth, motivating him to strive for excellence and integrity.

Charleston White [46:48]: "I want to be a better man in the world. When my daughter was born, certain music you stop listening to. My whole mindset, my whole inner man changed when I had a daughter."

He also touches upon his daughter's aspirations to join the military, expressing both pride and concern for her future endeavors.

Charleston White [47:54]: "She wants to go to the military once she turned 17."

Final Thoughts and Future Endeavors

As the episode wraps up, Charleston discusses his upcoming Underground Railroad Comedy Tour, aimed at unifying people through a blend of satire, comedy, and conscious commentary. He underscores his belief in the potential for America to return to its roots of unity and excellence.

Charleston White [48:51]: "I headline my own tour called the Underground Railroad Comedy Tour. Tapping back into the heart and the history of America. Perfect. And just looking to unify people."

Sean commends Charleston for his authenticity and resilience, setting the stage for continued impactful conversations in future episodes.

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Key Takeaways:

• Charleston White's Battle with Social Media Censorship: Despite facing numerous bans and restrictions on platforms like Instagram and Facebook, Charleston remains vocal about free speech, finding solace on Twitter.

• Skepticism Toward Celebrity Political Endorsements: He criticizes the use of celebrities in political campaigns, questioning the authenticity and motives behind such endorsements.

• Entrepreneurial Spirit in Cryptocurrency: Charleston's successful launch of his crypto coin showcases his adaptability and foresight in the ever-evolving financial landscape.

• Critical Views on Modern Music and Sports: From dissecting hip-hop trends to lamenting the NBA's current dynamics, Charleston provides a candid analysis of these industries.

• Inspiring Parenting Story: His approach to fatherhood, balancing strictness with friendship, offers valuable insights into effective parenting amidst personal challenges.

• Commitment to Unifying America: Through his comedy tour, Charleston aims to bridge divides and foster unity, reflecting his deep-seated belief in America's potential.

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Transcript

[A]

Talks.

[B]

They were paying a lot of money to celebrity. That's what kind of bankrupt their campaign. Yeah, man. They paid a lot of money for celebrities just to endorse that movement.

[A]

If they offered you a million dollars, what would you have done?

[B]

A million to support Kamala Harris. Nah, nah. Come. Come with a little bit more.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Come with a little bit more. And it would have been a vague support. It would have been a vague support.

[A]

All right, guys, one of my best guests of all time, man, Charleston White. He is back.

[B]

We're in D.C. always, man. Yeah. It's gonna be inauguration weekend.

[A]

Times are changing, right?

[B]

Very much so, yeah.

[A]

A lot of good stuff's been happening. Holy crap.

[B]

Oh, yeah. We lost Tick Tock for now, but.

[A]

I. I heard it's coming back, so.

[B]

I've been reading up on it all day. So I think they're trying to work to have it by tomorrow, so.

[A]

Yeah, let's go. But that's not even your biggest platform.

[B]

No, that's not. I think I probably. They sent me my analytical data from TikTok, so just hashtag Charleston White had over 2 point billion views. Hashtag Charleston White memes got like 20 million. So when I was looking at the numbers, I'm probably well over 3 billion views on TikTok, but I probably. Probably. YouTube and Instagram is my biggest.

[A]

That's insane. Yeah. You've been partnering with all the biggest live streamers too, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you gonna start live streaming more this year?

[B]

Yeah. With Aiden Ross.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Yeah. So he's back streaming, so I'm gonna be streaming with him. I doing them on, but I don't think I do well doing them on.

[A]

How come? Too. Too controversial.

[B]

Yeah, too much controversial. Yeah.

[A]

You need some guidance?

[B]

Yeah, I need a lot of guidance over there. I. I tend to. I tend to walk the fine line on. On community rules on social media platforms, so I'm pushing free speech. That's why I love Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Popping lately, man. I mean, there's. There's a lot of racism on there these days, but yeah, free speech is there, you know, But I guess you can't do much against that. There's free speech.

[B]

Not only free speech. You have to let it go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, the. The rhetor to be hateful and mean. Just as long as the behavior and action don't turn into the rhetoric. So.

[A]

I feel that, man. Yeah, dude. Yeah. I told you what happened with that season to cyst, But Jaguar, right, She's been going on all our shows Talking a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, she probably got one too.

[B]

I'm sure she did. I'm sure a few of the platform that she was on, they got shut down momentarily so got deleted. Yeah. A real life street stars. I think a lot of they got copyright strike on YouTube. So. Yeah.

[A]

Damn. You go on there a lot, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's one of your biggest ones.

[B]

Yeah. Them to say cheese tv.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I guess certain people you really can't. Can't do much about, you know.

[B]

Nah. Well, she seemed to exaggerate a lot.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

Yeah, she seemed to exaggerated a lot. Yeah, yeah, she's to me she did. To me she did.

[A]

Who have you been watching a lot lately?

[B]

Really? The President. I've been watching the President a lot lately and then I watch a lot of me so I, I engage my audience, my demographics a lot on social media, so. So I spent a lot of time.

[A]

Watching me Trump's energy this time around seems a lot more different right. Than 16.

[B]

It's kind of like going, you know, going to the playoffs or going into a Super bowl. If you, if you've already been there once, you kind of know how to how this thing goes. So it seems more comfortable, it seems more confident and seem like now he has a direct focus on where we want to take the country, bring business back to America.

[A]

Facts.

[B]

So I think that's always been. Been been one of his main concerns is bringing businesses back to America. I know a lot of people was upset with him, with the people he's pick picking for his cabinet, but he's going to get a lot of businessmen and in America, you know, whether people believe it or not, is really a corporation and should be ran by businessmen. So less politicians and more businessmen.

[A]

Absolutely. Did you get it on my crypto coin last night?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I dropped my own crypto coin, you know, acronym, you know, nigga Never ignorant. Never ignorant Getting goals accomplished.

[A]

That was you?

[B]

Yeah, that was me.

[A]

I saw that coin.

[B]

Yeah, that was me.

[A]

I didn't know that was you.

[B]

It did 700,000 market cap the first day. Wow. Most people think that I was going to do a rug pull like the hawk, Tool girl. And so I'm just now really, really starting to have a better understanding of how crypto is. So now I plan on having that coin for the long haul.

[A]

I mean, dude, his coin crushed it. Holy crap. Yeah, crypto's a whole nother world.

[B]

Yeah. So yeah, I've been pushing my coin, man. It took me a while, so I've Been arguing with crypto experts for the last two years. They've fight with me, trying to get me to see the future. And I'm saying, man, crypto, it can, it can be easily wiped away in one day. But when you look at the history of it, it looked like it's here to stay. And once they showed me that I can turn this digital currency, digital currency into actual cash, I can go purchase things in real life with it. Yeah, they made me a believer.

[A]

You could buy a lot of crypto these days.

[B]

I see.

[A]

I've seen people buy watches. I've seen someone buy a house.

[B]

I saw that. Yeah, I saw that. Yes. That's kind of what made me a believer. I said, man, he really bought a house. I said, okay, yeah, I want in.

[A]

It's pretty much cash at this point. Ye.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

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[B]

Oh, I did. It sound like some old cash money, Some old New Orleans masterpiece kind of music. Probably from about 2005, 2006. I wasn't feeling it, but I thought it was a good song.

[A]

Oh, you weren't feeling it?

[B]

No, no, I was. It's old, you know, I'M not a dancer. I like dancers. So you're not that, you know, one of them tempos to make you dance and move, but n. I wasn't feeling it. It's too old school. Did you like it?

[A]

I thought it was good for his first song.

[B]

I. Well, I. I said if you make another one, then he might got something. So they said he's. He's working on another one, so.

[A]

Yeah, we'll see if he can keep it up. Because it's hard these days to maintain.

[B]

To produce an album at that. Yeah. So I heard he got, what, in between, 8 to 13 million signed by Def Jam or somebody.

[A]

So that's the most I've heard in recent deals. Yeah.

[B]

Pretty good.

[A]

That's pretty good these days.

[B]

Pretty good.

[A]

Yeah, because a lot of artists can't. I mean, Lil Baby's album, I saw you said it was okay.

[B]

I'm listening to it. I don't took him from a C minus to. To a B plus.

[A]

Okay. So it's going on you.

[B]

Yeah, well, you. You see, he's growing. I'm starting. So first I was caught up with the beats, the tempo, the style of flow. So you kind of. You kind of get lost in hearing the lyrics when you completely focus on the beat. So I've been listening to the lyrics, and you can see growth in him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah. Yeah, I take him to a B. A B plus.

[A]

All right.

[B]

They growing on me.

[A]

Any other new music you like lately?

[B]

I like Boston Richie. So within the last last 90 days, Boston Richie done grew on me.

[A]

Boston Richie?

[B]

Yeah, Boston Richie.

[A]

I didn't heard that.

[B]

I think he's a young guy out of Florida, I believe. Yes.

[A]

What makes his stuff so good for you?

[B]

Real catchy flow.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, real catchy flow.

[A]

I'll have to check them out. Yeah, I don't listen to much rap and hip hop anymore, to be honest.

[B]

You don't?

[A]

Nah. Just puts me in a mood.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I feel like certain music affects your. Your mood.

[B]

It does, yeah. Yeah, it does. So that's why they got love music. Yeah, yeah, they got music you play here.

[A]

You got that playlist?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You know, at one point in time, it came with Drive by music. You know, music that she would play before Drive by. So. Yeah, it does change the tempo and the floor thing.

[A]

What do you think of this new, like, hip hop partnering with, like, country kind of music style, I guess. You like it?

[B]

No. Hell no. Each. Each needs to stay in its own lane.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I think it's because the numbers were kind of going down in hip hop. They were kind of figuring out new ways to make music right if they.

[B]

Made a variety of music. It just all went to drill music for the last, what, 10, 15 years. It all went negative. Yeah. You know, no more keep your head up. No more Dear mama type songs. No more fight the power, you know? You know, like. Yeah, it just, it just became one sided. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't a variety.

[A]

Yeah. So on the way here, Drake announced another lawsuit. He's suing, I think Kendrick's label for defamation, I believe. Yeah. Did you see that?

[B]

Yeah, it makes sense. You called me a pedophile in the song. Everybody took it and ran with it, you know, kind of, kind of, kind of hurts his brand, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You stood up for Drake on the last time you came on. A lot of people are going against him. It's interesting to see, like the sides people are picking.

[B]

Divide and conquer. Yeah, yeah. Hip hop is being conquered and it's extremely divided. So just think future Drake, Rick Ross, man, they made some of the hottest songs together. All those guys, just about all of them who went against him got a hit with him. Metro booming, so, you know, all them guys got hits together and so on. The fallout at this, at this magnitude speaks volumes.

[A]

Yeah, it's interesting, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Makes you wonder like, what's really going on.

[B]

Yeah, I think probably sleeping with the same girls. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere, somewhere it got to do something with a woman, I think.

[A]

I mean, you saw what happened with Drake and LeBron, right?

[B]

I heard, I heard, yeah. Shout out to DJ. Academics. Yeah, I heard.

[A]

Yeah. Academics, yeah.

[B]

He spilled all the beans.

[A]

That was a big story for him to break, to go against, to go against him like that, you know, you know that.

[B]

Yeah, that's the powers to be. So. Yeah. But yeah, I like academics.

[A]

I like academics. Have you been on his show yet?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

People be offering crazy amount for sex. You saw what happened with Skip Alis?

[B]

Yeah. 1.5 million.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[B]

I think she should have took it.

[A]

I would have.

[B]

I mean, yeah, yeah. I would encourage my woman to do it, y'all. Yeah, much, baby. Yeah, man. 1.5. He'll be done in 10 minutes. Take it.

[A]

Yeah, less than that one. Oh, my God.

[B]

You. Yeah, yeah. He offered a lot of money. Just imagine what he's making to be able off of that.

[A]

He's making stupid money. But now Stephen A. Smith is kind of taking the, taking the throne. He's like the goat in my opinion.

[B]

Well, he hadn't been fired, have he.

[A]

Stephen A or Skip?

[B]

No, Skip.

[A]

Skip. Yeah, he got fired and now he's been struggling on his own kind of.

[B]

Okay. All right. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Stephen A. Is the goat in my eyes.

[B]

Yeah, he is.

[A]

Yeah. Shout out to Stephen A. Man. You seen this Blake Lively stuff?

[B]

Nah.

[A]

You didn't see this?

[B]

Nah.

[A]

What the me too stuff?

[B]

Nah. Blake Lively.

[A]

Yeah. You like her?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you're gonna have to look into this one then.

[B]

What's the deal with her? She's the one went and said. That's the one that said what they had to do at the sports network to sports networks.

[A]

No, I don't know. I don't think it's the same person. Blake Live.

[B]

That's Joy. I think that was Joy. Or somebody said that the girls was one lady had to sleep with everybody. Get to the top.

[A]

That might have been Joy. Yeah, I think that was. Blake Lively is the blonde girl from Gossip Girl.

[B]

She's an actress.

[A]

Okay. She. She's doing the me too stuff again.

[B]

Oh, yeah?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Any particular name that we can say and not get in trouble for?

[A]

I forget the actor. Does anyone do you know forget? It was a co worker of hers that they started a movie with.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But he's make. She's making some accusations, but damn, I'm surprised you didn't hear that one.

[B]

No, not that one's going by me.

[A]

You've been following the fires?

[B]

Yeah, I've been. Holy crap. Yeah.

[A]

What do you think happened there?

[B]

Arson. Yeah.

[A]

You think it was man made?

[B]

Yeah, I think it was man made. I sincerely don't believe a power line calls all that.

[A]

Hell no. Yeah, I can't see it. I mean, there's some videos.

[B]

Oh, man, that's. That's massive destruction for. You know, I think. I think a foul. A power line can be easily contained. I think this was set up in multiple places to burn the way it's been burning. So.

[A]

I mean, there was three fires at the same exact time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It just seemed really weird.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah, I'm with the conspiracy theories now. This is a human setting fires. And. And yeah, we just hadn't caught the corporate shit.

[A]

I feel that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What other conspiracies? You big on moon landing?

[B]

Moon landing? The drone that was flown. Seen Flown over New Jersey. Yeah, I think that was conspiracy.

[A]

You think that was government? Yeah, I think so too.

[B]

Yeah, I think that was government.

[A]

I mean, it has to be.

[B]

Yeah, they turned. They turned the blinds off for too.

[A]

Long to it trump Was too comfortable in his speech. He was like, oh, I know what that was.

[B]

Yeah, you know, they should tell us. You know, you kind of allude to some days, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that was. Yeah, there's a lot government, a lot.

[A]

Of series these days, man. Shout out to Candace Owens for exposing some of these.

[B]

Yeah, I love Candace. Big fan of Candace.

[A]

I'd love to see you two together, man.

[B]

They've been trying to work to get me and her to be on the platform together. I think my people have talked to her people at some point in time. We just can never rely on the time.

[A]

Let me see what I can do, man. She's coming on the show this year.

[B]

Please. I love, love her.

[A]

You might have to go out to Nashville, but I think it's worth it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Nashville. That's one of my. That's one of my favorite places to go. I do business with the textile industry out there.

[A]

Oh, yeah? What type of business sucks?

[B]

Textile. So that's anything in your. In your house from socks to underwear, panties, bras, blankets, pillowcases. Okay. You know, the whole textile industry that. That derived from cotton.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what I like about you, man. You're always in something.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[A]

You're an entrepreneur.

[B]

Yes, sir. Yeah.

[A]

You got all sorts of businesses.

[B]

Trying to keep it. Yeah, trying to keep it.

[A]

Yeah. When you came on in Dallas, you said you had seven businesses.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think four of them did. Over a million.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's incredible. Incredible, man. All because of social media, right?

[B]

Yeah. Thanks to social media.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think. What do you think of Zuck saying there's no more fact checking, no more censorship on Facebook and Instagram?

[B]

I think they was biased to their fact checking anyway. So for, For, For. For many years, I think Republicans are. The conservative ideology got pushed down on. On Zuckerberg's platform. I think him removing the third party fact checkers is a great deal of free speech on, on, on. On both his platforms because they can be pretty strict. Because I've posted some things that's been true before, but whoever did the fact check and said, well, this is not true. And, and yeah, I've been penalized for that.

[A]

You got banned, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was the reason they gave you?

[B]

Well, not following community rules and guidelines and policies is always the rules. So whether that's harassment, bullying. Yeah. And that's me using the N word. You know, that's me using. Or having an argument with other black people using N word. So I've lost over two dozen Instagram accounts and probably what sister pandemic to now. Last year, I lost eight alone.

[A]

Holy crap.

[B]

Yeah. So right now my. My Instagram account is restricted, where I can't go live for a whole year.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. I can't go live saying just because.

[A]

You said the N word. Yeah, yeah, it's tricky, I guess. I mean, from a business point of view, I get it. Because they'll lose sponsors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But on Twitter, you could say it right now, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I get away with everything on Twitter.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah, I get away with everything.

[A]

Yeah, but.

[B]

But when. When you look at all the violent videos that they post about black people, I mean, you see some of the most craziest fights among blacks people, that. That goes viral and they allow that to stay. I don't promote violence. I don't promote hate. But I don't talk no different than. Than what the rappers talk in their rap lyrics. And so they're allowed to put the videos. They're allowed to. So, yeah, they get. They get up. The rappers get away with a lot.

[A]

They got an N word pass.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they get away with a lot.

[A]

They probably censor their lyrics, though, when you, like, upload it with the music with the song. They probably censor the N word on the song, right?

[B]

No, they don't.

[A]

They don't.

[B]

No, they don't.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

No, they don't. Wow.

[A]

Damn. Yeah, I guess it's all who you know with these platforms.

[B]

Yeah. I'm shadow banned on just about every Mark Zuckerberg platform.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

So you can type my name in and I probably still wouldn't come up.

[A]

I know every time I try to tag you, it's like a fake page.

[B]

Yeah, they allowed a fake page to get away with everything in the name of Charleston White.

[A]

Crazy. A lot of money being made scamming your fans, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, fans can scam a lot.

[A]

What, what do they say? Like, yo, I got a show tonight, give me some money or something?

[B]

Yeah, they post shows, fake promotions. If they do promotions, they do bookings and don't show up playing like it's me.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah, that sucks, dude.

[A]

Well, now they got Dana White. They just hired him as an advisor.

[B]

So I think that'll be good.

[A]

I think so too.

[B]

Yeah, I think that'll be good.

[A]

I do the G. You might get into boxing. I saw.

[B]

Yeah, I've been trying to get a boxing match, man. I had one set up, what, two years ago, got disqualified for mason a guy at the weigh in. And so yeah, I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying. I wanna. I want me a celebrity boxing match.

[A]

Yeah, you see that? Conor McGregor, Logan Paul money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

250 mil each.

[B]

Yeah, I've seen it.

[A]

God damn.

[B]

I'm on in.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta get in on that. You gotta go. You got to go to Saudi Arabia. That's where the money's at.

[B]

I'm scared I might not return. Yeah, yeah, I'm scared. I. I'm afraid of Muslim countries.

[A]

How come?

[B]

The rules are too strict. And once, Once. Once you're detained and kept, there's really not nobody could do.

[A]

I'm a little scared of Dubai.

[B]

I'm very afraid.

[A]

I got a friend that as soon as they landed, got arrested because they said something on a podcast about Dubai.

[B]

See, that's what I'm saying. In America, I don't see some horrible things about Islam. Muslims in Dubai.

[A]

Careful. For sure.

[B]

Yeah. I would never go to a Muslim country. Damn. Yeah.

[A]

These days you really got to be careful where you go.

[B]

Yeah. You know, and because once. This is what I know. I got a lot of rights in America.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When I leave America, I have very few rights as a human. So, yeah, I want to stay where I'm safe and protected by rights.

[A]

Do you believe America is the best country in the world?

[B]

I still believe that wholeheartedly.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, we got a lot of rights here. A lot of them that most people don't have.

[A]

I agree. You see a lot of people complain about it, then just move, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're gonna complain about it.

[B]

I've seen all those people say, if Trump get reelected, I'm leaving America. They hadn't left yet.

[A]

Most of them didn't leave. One of them left.

[B]

Oh, it is Ellen. Oh, Ellen.

[A]

Ellen left. She's in the UK now.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She's probably on some lists that are going to get released here soon.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, Epstein list, perhaps Diddy's list. Diddy list maybe too.

[B]

I'm looking forward to the list. I can't wait to see.

[A]

You're going to have a field day when those come out, man.

[B]

Well, I know between the two, the two lists, there's been some very high powered people attending both parties, so. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, dude. I mean, we kind of know who's been on the list at this point. I feel like we've seen it, you know?

[B]

Yeah. People been rumored and speculated for. For over 10 years, over decades or longer.

[A]

And you saw who got paid by the Democratic Party to endorse.

[B]

You know, man, Puffy Was a right hand man to the democratic party, Especially with the voter die campaign he had.

[A]

So, yeah, most of them I didn't care about. I was a little upset with the eminem one, dude.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

When he supported Kamala, I was like.

[B]

Yeah, I was shocked by that.

[A]

I was shocked.

[B]

But I. I found out that, you know, he was paying a lot of money.

[A]

Money talks.

[B]

They were paying a lot of money to celebrity. That's what kind of bankrupt their campaign. Yeah, man, they paid a lot of money for celebrities just to endorse that movement.

[A]

If they offered you a million dollars, what would you have done?

[B]

A million to support kamala Harris. Nah, nah. Come. Come with a little bit more.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Come with a little bit more. And it would have been a vague support. Yeah, it would have been a. Yeah.

[A]

I feel it's hard to turn down millions, like.

[B]

Yeah, people are like.

[A]

If people were in their shoes, they would probably take the money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you see them.

[B]

I've seen. I've seen quite a few guys that was questionable. And I said they had to been paid. Yeah, yeah. Which one applies? The rapper plies.

[A]

I didn't see that one.

[B]

Yeah, he. Yeah, he had to been paid. Oh, it was too obvious. Yeah, it was too.

[A]

Usher was weird too.

[B]

Yeah, Usher was weird because the week.

[A]

Before he was saying, like, I'm not gonna endorse anyone.

[B]

Yeah, Usher was weird.

[A]

Oprah got a million.

[B]

Beyonce them got a lot of money. I bet Megan thee stallion got a lot of money. Yeah, Sexy red was weird to me.

[A]

That was weird too.

[B]

Yeah, that was real weird. Sexy red and glorilla was real weird.

[A]

Sexy red is like pretty intelligent. You know, like, in terms of marketing.

[B]

Their music don't reflect political talk, Sophie. For. For them to even had sought after their. Their support said a lot. I said they playing on color. Yeah, they playing on color and culture. So that's why they tapped into the rappers. They tapped into the singers and the dancers to use them to talk to a certain demographics of the culture. And I think that's what caused them to lose.

[A]

Yeah, well, they still won that demographic, though. I think 87 black woman. Right. And then 60 black male. Something like that.

[B]

Yeah. Whatever matters. The black man. Black men really didn't vote for Kamala and that's who they were looking to blame for the loss. Yeah. The next morning, it was a lot of female rappers. Cardi b For once, you know, blame black men for not voting for even.

[A]

Obama's blaming black men.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, they did that was a campaign they were trying to use to shame black men into voting for.

[A]

Yeah, it didn't work right at all. I don't think it's going to work in the future too.

[B]

Nah. I don't see a woman being president for. For quite a while.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Yeah. I don't see a woman running America for quite a while.

[A]

Yeah. They're 0 and 2 now, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was a bad loss, dude. That was like a landslide.

[B]

It was. They would need somebody like Condoleezza Rice, I would say.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's hard to find a good Democratic representative. Representative right now, in my opinion. Not a lot of them strike me as the brightest.

[B]

No, they're too far left.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Have to come a little bit back more toward the center. Yeah, they're too far left.

[A]

Way too far. Because, dude, I grew up left. I feel like I haven't changed that much.

[B]

Me too. I just, just knowledge and information kind of. Kind of change. Change my ideology. But my whole family is kind of left still. Still. But, but, but when conservative, they're left with conservative principles, though. When you look at how they live, the, the things that they stand on, they. It's really conservative principle. They just lean to the left for whatever reason. But they're not far leftist. Yeah, they're not far left.

[A]

Well, they were programmed to think a certain way. Right. Watching the news every day, consuming the newspaper or whatever. Yeah. I look at how I grew up and I was like watching the news. Just total brainwashed, you know, I mean, it was nuts. I didn't question anything. Like if I saw it on the news, it was fact.

[B]

Yeah. Now, now news is propaganda. It's not real news.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's propaganda being ran. So.

[A]

And even they're infiltrating alternative media, so you got to keep your eye out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's certain podcasters being bought out now, so you got to do your homework.

[B]

Yep. I, I just did the Jeff Teague podcast. The 5525 20. Yeah. So, you know, I made some, some joking comments about the NWA and Angel Reese and they're on the verge of losing their sponsorships.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For your comment.

[B]

Yeah. They had to. They took down and actually was a great hour, hour long interview.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

But they took two. A two minute clip of that. Of that interview. Yeah. WNBA was threatening to pull their sponsorships. They was calling for to. To ban me, cancel me. Yeah. Yeah. The council culture came out.

[A]

That's crazy because you support the wnba.

[B]

I support business in America. No, I think the w. I think I Think the wnba, it's been around. I think each year loses money. So they don't make money.

[A]

They lose tens of millions.

[B]

Yeah. So they don't make money. So in, in the right business mind, why continue a business that continues to fail?

[A]

There has been a good amount of years now at this point, you're still losing money.

[B]

Still losing money.

[A]

But I feel like with the new stardom, it could change in the future With Caitlyn.

[B]

Yeah. I think Caitlyn had brought, you know, even Angel Reese. But when you look at the two off, off, off court, it's no comparison. Yeah. Caitlyn's better for the brand.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because she's. Yeah, but she's kind of like controlled in a way. Dude. I saw her interview with Forbes, I think and it was like just like cookie cutter answers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I feel like she might be getting told what to say.

[B]

I'm sure she is. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm sure she.

[A]

And she has to act in a certain way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's facing a lot of, you know, people against her.

[B]

Yeah. But you know, it's a, it's a predominantly gay culture. From what's not spoken. So predominantly women in, in the WNBA are considered gay women.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there are some women who are not. That's considered straight women. And from what I hear and from what I read, the straight women are bullied.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

For being straight.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Being straight.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I haven't heard that before.

[B]

I, I can't think of the young lady's name that, that, that she retired early.

[A]

Retired? Was it Candace? Candace Owens?

[B]

Candace Williams Wiggins? Yeah, she retired early because she said she couldn't continue on with the bullying from, from, from. Yeah. From being straight. Yeah.

[A]

What? That's so wild to me.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

Yeah. That doesn't happen in the NBA.

[B]

No, no, not that we know of.

[A]

Yeah. God damn. Yeah, we'll see if they can make it. I like watching the clips, but NBA is better, obviously.

[B]

More exciting, man. Now, now they, if they lowered the goal where the ladies could dump, probably come with some, you know, better uniforms, you know? Yeah, a little better uniforms, you know, kind of bring a little sexiness to it. I think it might do better. But you're looking like tall men. Nah. No, I feel that.

[A]

What do you think of the modern NBA, how their ratings are at an all time low right now?

[B]

I think LeBron, so, so I, I think players wanting to have a super team killed, killed the NBA's excitement. You know, one good player going to go get all the other good players and stacking a team up. I think that killed the excitement of.

[A]

The NBA super teams. Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I guess Jordan technically had one though, right, with. With Pippin and Rodman.

[B]

Robin go get you almost 30 rebounds, no points. Yeah, yeah, he gonna have 19 offensive, maybe 15 defensive, maybe two shot attempts with no points. Steve Kerr, Bill Cartwright. Yeah, he had a super team, but they were role players. None of them, none of them could go be. None of the people outside of Pippin could go to another team and change the whole dynamics of the team like Jordan could, LeBron could, Kobe could. Yeah, LeBron was cheating. He was going to go get all the best players, go get the best forwards, the best point guards and, and, and winning championship.

[A]

Yeah. Where do you rank him in your goat list, LeBron?

[B]

Top 10?

[A]

Not top five?

[B]

No, man, you got, you got Wilt Chamberlain, you got Magic Johnson, Gary Payton. Man, you got some. You got some, man. Daryl Dawkins. Man, you got some names that could go, you know, in that top five. That can be argued. It's just that most of us hadn't seen him play. But, you know, it's some, it's some names that, that, that I believe go way before LeBron.

[A]

Yeah, it was a different game back then. I just saw Pippin on Patrick by David's show. I think they averaged like 95 points in the 90s, and now the games are scoring 130, 140 easily. It's too easy now. Everyone's so talented, right? Yeah, they just favor offense and threes.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

63 pointers a game.

[B]

No more big man that you? Yeah.

[A]

Nah, no Shaqs anymore.

[B]

Nah.

[A]

All the bigs are shooting threes.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Victor Wembanyama shooting.

[B]

Yep. He's like Dirk Navinsky shooting threes. Yeah. So, yeah, all your big man shooting from. Yeah, from the perimeter.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I missed the old days. Is that your favorite era of the 90s?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. Bad boy. When Detroit had a run long before Chicago was winning, I remember seeing Magic play. AC Green. Yeah, yeah. Now the New York Knicks. Yeah. Ewan and his crew. So now, I mean, it was, it was a whole different era during the 90s for sure.

[A]

Who was your team back then.

[B]

Between the Lakers in Chicago. Yeah. You know, we followed Jordan all the way, but the Lakers. I was a die hard Magic fan. Yeah. I was a die hard Magic fan.

[A]

Yeah. If he didn't retire early, he could have been the Goat. You know, he had such a good career and then the incident happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Slept around, man.

[B]

Yeah, I like Supersonic. Yeah. Gary Payton and. And. Yeah, yeah, them, boy. Yeah. Hey, I had a few teams I used to like.

[A]

I love that. I just had Peyton on the show, dude.

[B]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[A]

Guy's a legend. I'll connect you guys. I think he's starting off.

[B]

I seen Gary Payton, I want to say, was in Nashville. We see Chattanooga. Yeah, it was in Chattanooga about a couple years ago.

[A]

Tennessee.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Love it. What'd you tell him?

[B]

Man, I was a big fan of heels and Michael Jordan.

[A]

I asked him.

[B]

He still don't like Jordan?

[A]

Nah, he still don't. Which is. That's gone away from the sport these days. There's no rivalries anymore.

[B]

No, no more.

[A]

The money's too good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's not a personal thing anymore.

[B]

Yeah. Now, they had real rivalries back then, but.

[A]

Yeah, I asked him if he. Because his coach didn't let him guard Jordan in the finals when they played.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I asked him, yo, if you guarded Jordan, would the Sonics have won that series?

[B]

And what do you say?

[A]

Yeah, he said it would have went to seven.

[B]

The glove.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They didn't put him on mj, though.

[B]

Yeah. And he was a real defensive player.

[A]

Yeah, he's one of the best defense players of all time.

[B]

Yeah. So you don't. You don't really see top shooting go as a top point guard, Play defense like how he played?

[A]

Nah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, there's no defense anymore.

[B]

Not at all.

[A]

No. How's your game? You can shoot.

[B]

I used to. Could. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I took on the Alan I. Some spirit. So I was a young guy. I was a little guy. That's gonna go to the rim.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Go to the rim. Yeah.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You play high school?

[B]

No, I. I remember I got locked up as a kid, so I played all throughout my junior high years.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. All throughout my junior.

[A]

You must have missed it when you lost.

[B]

Yeah, I did.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Basketball is my favorite sport, man.

[B]

Yeah. I saw you in the gym a couple times.

[A]

Yeah. We gotta play.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We'll have to run it two on two with someone.

[B]

Most definitely.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

Most definitely.

[A]

You playing anything these days? Any sports, video games or anything?

[B]

No, no. I got a PS5 to just sit up. Up stairs and collect dust.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

All my homeboy kids come over, so they play on it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You're filming, you're doing shows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're on the road, and I run.

[B]

All my social media platforms, so. Yeah. Between you Know, navigating through the different social media platforms, uploading videos, doing live, doing interviews. You have very little time for. For the video game.

[A]

You got to get someone helping you out on social media.

[B]

Yeah, I do.

[A]

You got to get someone posted.

[B]

Yeah, I got to get somebody.

[A]

You run all that yourself? So you answer all the dms yourself?

[B]

All that myself.

[A]

I get hundreds of dms a day.

[B]

Yeah, a day. Yeah. Yeah. So I normally, when I'm on the plane, that's when I answer all the dms. Yeah. When I'm traveling.

[A]

Damn, you get some haters all the time.

[B]

Yeah, I get all kind of. In that deal. I get all kind of.

[A]

What's the craziest it's gotten? Has anyone, like, wanted to meet up with you or something?

[B]

No, man. Yeah, I had guys send me pictures of the peckers telling me to, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had all the sentence. Yeah. Some. Some deformed penises sent to me in the DMs, and I gotta try to erase my brain from that. Yeah, some sick online.

[A]

Oh, man. You'd be trolling too, though.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I do.

[A]

You gotta take some accountability.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, so. So. So the face. So about three or four days ago, the. The face chart, the fake Charleston White Facebook page posted as if my mother died.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Pray for me. My mother just passed, and my response to that video is as mean as I am online. You guys really think I want to come and bear my pain to the world? As much as I troll people, that's the last thing that I would do. Anybody know me, I ain't fit to go come to the Internet and ask for no prayer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially if my mother died. So I can give you guys the ammunition and the fuel to troll me back. Nah. So now people calling my mom and everything. Sass. Hey, girl. They say you died, but, girl, you talking to me on the phone. What you talking about? Well, who said it? So, yeah, it was a fake page on Facebook that they did it.

[A]

Oh, so they were trying to get donations, right?

[B]

Probably so.

[A]

Deferral cost.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, probably so.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I'm not a fan of those apology videos where people start crying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it feels disingenuous.

[B]

It is. If you go live in the hospital saying, I'm sick in my mind, you playing, you ain't sick. Because if you're really sick, well, you wouldn't go live Facts.

[A]

Yeah. People post their hospital visits. I'm like, why would you want that? Yeah, people are going to send you bad energy. Like you're just looking for sympathy.

[B]

If I'm going through something in line, if I'm going through something in life, going online would be the last place I will look for support because I got a real support system. System. So I'm not gonna run and say, y'all, me and the wife having divorce. I want you guys to pray for me. That becomes fuel and ammunition to, to be used against you.

[A]

Yeah. Have you ever trolled someone so bad you felt bad afterwards?

[B]

No. Yeah. It's all for, it's all for a game on the Internet. I, I, I typically troll people who I had an issue with. Yeah. I don't just troll or random regular people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For the most part. I think most people in the comments section online is AI Robot.

[A]

They're fake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A lot of the, A lot of them are fake profiles. I noticed. Yeah.

[B]

The haters, because most of them, Most of them are private accounts. Yeah. When you look, they have zero post, what, 12 followers?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And following a thousand people, I said, oh, man, that's a fake person.

[A]

I've seen that too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I typically ignore that.

[A]

Yeah. Where's the line for you when you're trolling? Like, do you have a line you won't cross?

[B]

Ain't no lines when I'm trolling. Ain't no line. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I might make fun of the dead, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, man, there's no line. Damn. Because it's not personal.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. None of this is personal. So I, I don't, I don't personally attack people. I just troll anybody.

[A]

So you don't take their attacks personally on you?

[B]

Not at all.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. No, not at all.

[A]

You never get mad or, like, pissed off?

[B]

Wow. It's all fair game. We all on the Internet, we. And for the most part, everybody's cyber bully to a certain degree, especially if you posting every day. If you're commenting every day. Now, I don't take none of it personal because I'm not waking up really angry. If I'm mad at something, I'm playing like I'm mad. If I'm bothered by something, I'm playing like I'm bothered. And, and I know everything's about content creation, so I have to be able to take it if I'm ditching it. So, yeah, I just, I just find ways to take it and then give it back.

[A]

Back, Damn.

[B]

Yeah. I find a way to take it and then give it back. So just. So I'm, I'm just as ugly as you Are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So whatever reflected to me, that's what I reflect back. And so I learned early on that the Internet, it's an ugly world. I came to be positive for the most part, and I probably was attacked more and ridiculed more for trying to be positive than I am trying to troll and be negative. Really. Because the. The negative trolling eventually became entertainment for people. So it's kind of like, you know, during the coliseum days, you go watch a human fight a line and you cheer at the gore of it, you know? So, yeah, I kind of kind of reflect what's on the Internet.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's cool. I didn't know you get your feelings.

[B]

Hurt trying to be positive online.

[A]

Yeah. Mr. Beast, look at him, right. He was saving lives and people are hating on him.

[B]

I mean, they're gonna eat you alive. Yeah. Is what it. That's that the trolling and negativity have become social media's greatest entertainment.

[A]

Yeah. Well, people are just always going to hate because it's their own insecurities. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're hating on themselves. Not even you.

[B]

At what point in time I was a person over there hating. I was financially struggling in between jobs. A single dad. So. So me. Me and. Me and the children. Mothers was. Was at odds with each other. Had to move back in with mom to try to start saving money. So when I got online, I was a hater. I hated. Cause they could afford to hoverboard and there was a. There was a time when they found a defect in the hoverboard where it was causing fire.

[A]

I remember that.

[B]

Yeah, I was stupid and bought hoverboard. I used to bash people who bought hoverboards. I hated people that bought a lot of gifts because it shamed me as a father. Around Christmas time, I couldn't buy a bunch of gifts. So I would be online saying, Christmas ain't about gifts. So really reflecting what I felt on the inside by way of my social media posts.

[A]

100. That's what hate is, right? You're just hating on yourself.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

And you're letting it out there.

[B]

Yeah. So I've been a hater online, so I get it.

[A]

I love that you can admit this stuff because there's some people that would take that to the grave.

[B]

Yeah. You know. Yeah. I was a mean. When I was struggling financially. I didn't like nothing.

[A]

That's why people like you, man. You're so. So authentic and raw. People would not admit this stuff.

[B]

Yeah. I used to boycott Thanksgiving. Be hungry In a. All day just to have something to fight with. Wow.

[A]

Because you couldn't afford it at the time.

[B]

Y.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah, just. I used to boycott Thanksgiving, man. I ain't eating nothing on turkey. This was a massacre holiday. So I would just find negative about every holiday.

[A]

Yeah. I had a guest come on, and her dad, she was a kid, and her dad turned down free Thanksgiving food because his pride and ego. They showed up to his house with food, and they couldn't afford it, but he turned it down.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You know, some people's pride is just so hot.

[B]

Yeah. I was one of them.

[A]

You would have turned it down at the time.

[B]

I. I have. Yeah. Yeah. I have. You know, be struggling, needing a. Needing a turkey, and, you know, they give it to me and I give it away. Needing Christmas. Toys play. Like, I don't celebrate Christmas, so I won't have to accept the toy.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's dangerous, right? Because you want to have that confidence, but at the same time, it could destroy you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's that balance in life.

[B]

Yeah. I'm glad I grew past it.

[A]

Yeah. Same here. I had a bit of a problem, too. If Trump offered you a position, would you take it?

[B]

Sure will.

[A]

What would you want to do for the government?

[B]

I want to speak to the black people for him. What you can't say to them. Just tell me what you want to be known, and then I go tell them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to have a certain. It's kind of like what they was doing with the. With the rappers coming to speak to the culture. I could talk to both the educated and uneducated blacks and get my point across. Yeah. So I would make a great spokesman for a. A politician like Trump.

[A]

Let's go. I'll try to make that happen for you. I had his advisor on the show yesterday. I'll connect you guys. Yeah, they just hired a few guys for that. For Hollywood. Did you see that? Sylvester Stallone, a couple others. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because Hollywood's been taken over. So Trump just hired three guys. He wants them to, like, bring the old Hollywood back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because movies suck these days.

[B]

They do.

[A]

You know, I can't even watch it.

[B]

Yeah, they do.

[A]

It's not what it used to be. All the programming and stuff.

[B]

A lot of. A lot of liberalism in it. So. Yeah, they. The Hollywood has gone far left.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They paint the husband as a. An idiot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On the movies and shows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's. It's disturbing, dude. Yeah.

[B]

No more real heroes coming out of Hollywood.

[A]

Nah. Your kids are Watching that. And it's just brainwashed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How do you control what your kids consume?

[B]

Stay in tune with what they consuming because you can't stop it. Even with your parental advisor. When they go to school, they're going to look at a friend's phone. Yeah. Engage them and talk to them about what they're consuming. Try to, try to be aware of, of what they're digesting with their ears and their eyes.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's inevitable they're going to get a phone somehow. You can't just ban it. Right. Yeah.

[B]

Well, when they, when they hang out with their friends, it's always going to be one friend who don't have the, the parental supervision that your children may have. So that friend is going to be access to all the things you don't want your kids to have.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

Yeah. So if you have an open line of communication where your children feel comfortable talking to you, engaging you, as well as sharing what they think is secrets.

[A]

Right.

[B]

With you.

[A]

Yeah. Have them trust you. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How strict are you? Because I know you had some issues growing up. Right.

[B]

I used to be very strict in, in the beginning just to lay the law down. But then I got to a point where, when, when my son started reaching the adolescent age, I, I didn't know how to be a good father, so. Not necessarily. Yeah. I didn't know how to be a good father for him as a, as a, as a, as an adolescent going into teenage years. So we became friends.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Yeah, I became his friend.

[A]

That's interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I became his friend and then we kind of grew up from there together.

[A]

Wow. That's a unique approach. I haven't heard that before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, So I like 13, 14.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you went through some stuff around that age.

[B]

That's, that's, that's, that's the age mom's mom lost me, that adolescent age. I had a great foundation as a kid. I knew right from wrong. I had manners, I had a, a religious belief system. Prayed at night. Pray over your food. Yes, ma'am. No, ma'am. But then when I started hanging with friends, now I'm a little bit rebellious against what mom was trying to teach me. And so I wanted, I wanted to interrupt the rebellious stage of adolescence.

[A]

Smart.

[B]

So I knew I couldn't do that by playing dad. Yeah. So we became buddies.

[A]

Yeah. Cause at that age you're just naturally rebellious. I feel like you want to go against your parents advice and I think partially because of school too.

[B]

Yep. So I Would find notebooks where my son was trying to rap. Rap. And I was, at that time, was hating rappers. Not the worst thing I would want my kid to be is a rapper. Yeah. But he's been. He'd been hearing me listen to rap music before, so I. I read the type of lyrics that he was rapping, and it was the typical, you know, drugs. Yeah, suck my dick, you know, type of, you know. So. Yeah. Nah, man. I was heartbroken because you got us. You got a little sister. So I didn't want you, you know, developing this type of ideology towards your little sister. So, nah. I became his friend because at that point, growing up without a father, man, I really didn't know how to be a good father or a bad father. My goal was to be a present father, but I wanted to be an effective father. I still wanted my son to see me as a hero. So I had to find a fine balance. He wanted to drop out of school, go and drop out. So I let him drop out to show him that he really don't want to drop out. Because when he dropped out, I made him go get a job at my friend's mechanic shop. So when he thought he was gonna lay around in bed, I would wake him up at 6 in the morning. He got to go to the mechanic shop and drop him off. So I told him it ain't nothing wrong with being a dumb mechanic. Eventually talking to my mom, he wanted to go back to school, end up graduating. Tried to convince him to go to the military. He wasn't interested in the military. I tried to get him to become a police officer. He ended up finding what he wanted to do. But in the process, I couldn't have done that playing dad. I think I would have drove a wedge between us.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Cause I don't know nothing about being a father. So I said, I'm gonna make it my friend. I'm gonna be his best friend, and then we'll grow from there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we still best friends to this day.

[A]

I love that, man. That's respect. Because now he's gonna be an even better father. And then it continues on, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Son versus daughter. Which one was more challenging?

[B]

Daughter, really? Because you know what kind of guy you was. She don't. Yeah. You know what kind of little boy you were growing up? You. Man, you know what? I'm being so trying to rewrite your wrongs so your daughter don't have to suffer from any heartbreak or any harm. You'd have never gave to a woman. So were you super Protective, Very, very protective. But you become the bad guy being super protective because you don't allow them to spend the night at these places. You don't allow them to do this. So I didn't, I didn't, I didn't want my fears to, to, to govern my parenting. I. I wanted what I knew, right, and what I knew, what was wrong to be the center of my parenting, not my fears. And most guys fears is that somebody gonna do your daughter what you done to other people's daughter, right? Facts. So, yeah, yeah, I was very overprotective. And so I would use my son to say, man, you're just responsible for your sister, so make sure you look out for your sister. So now that was, that was very. That was a balancing act for my, for my daughter. Because you want to hide all your flaws, right. As well as you're going to end up displaying them because you're in a relationship as well. So I said something mean to my wife one time, not knowing that my daughter heard me. And they was getting ready to leave and they was coming down the stairs and they both had like this hurt expression on their face. That was a solid conviction that I had as a man. I said, man, I gotta do better. I wanna be better. So my daughter was like the motivation for me to strive to be a better man in life, to be a perfect gentleman amongst women. So that's what really changed me as a man. My daughter, I could have still been an asshole. I wouldn't have been the type of man that I am today if I had two boys. That girl changed everything about me from the inside out.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, they say that about children. It's like a mirror, right? It's a reflection of yourself. Yeah, you learn a lot about yourself with children.

[B]

But now I. I want to be a. I want to be a better man in the world. When my daughter was born. So certain music you stop listening to. Yeah. My whole mindset, my whole inner man changed when I had a daughter.

[A]

I love that. That's so cool, man. Did you have to let go of that control eventually to keep the relationship? Because she was probably pissed, right?

[B]

Yeah, man. So, you know, I started my she in the beginning J gymnastics, so I would never. I wouldn't let her spend a night over none of her friend's house. She did horseback riding lessons. Then she started doing dance. And so when she started doing dance, she probably about 9, 8, 9, 10, I started letting her kind of spend a night over some of, over some of the. Over some of the over some of the friends house. But yeah, first I wouldn't let her go nowhere. But my daughter graduated at 15 years old this past school year. So this past May 2024, she graduated from high school.

[A]

She skipped three grades.

[B]

Yeah, she. So she turned, she turned 16 in August. August. Wow. So she wants to go to the military? Yeah, she wanted to go to the Navy.

[A]

So how do you feel about that?

[B]

I want to talk her out of it. Yeah, the first thing I said, man, they'll be trying to on my daughter, man, some soldier. So the first thing I thought. But she was raised right. She's very reserved, very conservative. She's in. In beauty school right now learning how to do hair, nails and eyelashes and all of that. So she want to go to the military once she turned 17. So.

[A]

That's beautiful, man. You did well. You did well.

[B]

Yeah, two for too.

[A]

Great job, man. Yeah. Well, dude, where can people find your. Your next show to keep up with you?

[B]

Well, we had DC Comedy Loft this weekend, inauguration weekend tonight. Doors open at five, show starts at six. After that, I think we're in Plano, Texas. Then we go from Salt Lake City, Utah, up there with the Mormons, man. Oklahoma, Raleigh, North Carolina. We got New York, Buffalo. You know, man, I got a whole list.

[A]

Yeah, I remember your first show.

[B]

Yeah, a couple years ago. So, man, I got dates. That covers all the way to what, August right now?

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

Yeah. So I headline my own tour called the Underground Railroad Comedy Tour. Tapping back into the heart and the history of America. Perfect. And just looking to unify people, man, with, with, with. I call it Black Love. Unifying everybody. But a mixture of satire, comedy and conscious comedy. Let's go for, for good la. Bringing back the old America. And I do believe America was great at one point in time. I grew up in the 80s and all I know is great memories.

[A]

We'll bring it back, baby. We'll link your site below. Thanks for coming on again, dude.

[B]

Appreciate you, brother.

[A]

Always, always.

[B]

Pleasure.

[A]

Check them out, guys. PE.