I Posted a Prayer Photo… Then Got Death Threats | Joshua Sarmiento | DSH #1841

Summary

Digital Social Hour #1841 — “I Posted a Prayer Photo… Then Got Death Threats”

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Joshua Sarmiento (aka Jordan Sarmo)
Release Date: February 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly sits down with entrepreneur and America First Healthcare founder Jordan Sarmo. They explore the personal and political costs of speaking out in the social media age, with Jordan sharing raw stories about public backlash for his stances on faith and Israel, the polarizing nature of COVID-era politics, and what it means to pursue growth as an entrepreneur. The conversation covers everything from cancel culture and the pandemic's impact on careers, to the inside story of political infighting on the American right—and how a simple prayer photo led to shocking online abuse.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Backlash From a Simple Prayer Photo

• Jordan’s experience:
  • Jordan recounts posting an Instagram story of himself praying at Shiloh in Israel and being met with intense backlash.
  • He lost several hundred followers and received death threats and hate-filled messages for what he saw as an innocent expression of faith.
  • Quote:

    “I posted a picture of me praying at Shiloh...my DMs are filled: ‘effing traitor’, ‘You should be dead’. All I did was post an Instagram story of me praying at Shiloh.” — Jordan, [00:00]

2. Networking, Growth, and Entrepreneurial Lessons

• Discussion turns to the importance of mentorship, reading, and mindset in business:

  • Both Sean and Jordan stress the impact of books like Alex Hormozi’s 100M Offers and Dan Martell’s Buy Back Your Time.
  • Delegation, hiring the right assistants, and incentivizing employees are central to scaling rapidly.
  • Quote (on buying back time):

    “You don’t own your email, you don’t own your calendar. Your assistant owns that. That book has just changed my life, changed my company…” — Jordan, [02:09]

• On company growth:

  • America First Healthcare scaled to 25,000 clients in 2 years, 100 agents, and a new 12,000 sq ft office.
  • Importance of reinvesting profits vs. “pulling the gasoline from the engine” explained with a metaphor from 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.
  • Quote (on leadership):

    “If you want to make crazy money, you got to be crazy.” — Jordan, [07:29]

3. Personal Financial Struggles and Lessons Learned

• Both host and guest share stories of financial ups and downs:
  • Sean lost fortunes by betting too heavily on risky assets like crypto and sports cards.
  • Jordan discusses the value of logical over emotional decisions and knowing when to sell.
  • Quote:

    “I was putting all my money in crypto. I was leading by emotion, not logic.” — Sean, [09:54]

4. The Pandemic as Political and Personal Turning Point

• COVID-19 and government mandates became a catalyst for Jordan’s public political stance.
  • Music industry career evaporated overnight; unemployment for the first time.
  • Viral moment: refused to fake vaccine status to enter a restaurant, videos blew up online.
  • Introduction to the realities of cancel culture—lost gigs and income for political expression.
  • Quote:

    “If anyone knew I was a Trump supporter—God forbid in L.A., in the music industry—and my innocent self back in 2016 posted a picture in a MAGA hat...they called me and said, ‘Hey, you can’t play for us anymore.’ That was about 30 grand a year.” — Jordan, [16:25]

5. America First Healthcare: Mission and Origins

• Ties political identity directly to business philosophy.
  • Company exploded in popularity by aligning openly conservative values with a market need for trust in healthcare.
  • Quote:

    “People want to work with people who align with their values... They probably trust more, have more chemistry. They’ll choose that person even if it’s the same price or more.” — Jordan, [28:15]

6. First-Hand Experience with U.S. Healthcare System

• Hospitalized with COVID-19 Delta, nearly died; miraculous overnight healing after a faith call.
  • Stuck with a $100,000 bill, insurance loopholes, and the importance of understanding nonprofit hospital charity care.
  • Quote (about healing):

    “I played this song by an artist named Brandon Lake... I felt the most insane presence enter the room…Next morning, completely healed.” — Jordan, [24:22]
    “The hospital was a nonprofit…because I was unemployed at the time, this nonprofit waived my entire $100,000 medical bill.” — Jordan, [26:15]

7. The Israel Controversy and Political Infighting

• Jordan shares how a trip to Israel profoundly shifted his perception of the region and how divisive the issue has become among U.S. conservatives.
  • Describes criticism and accusations from right-wing circles; details Hamas vs. Israel complexities and American military aid.
  • Shares Mike Huckabee’s points: U.S. invests in Israel partly for military technology and intelligence return, including testing the Iron Dome defense system.
  • Lays out regional funding hypocrisies (U.S. billions to Egypt, Jordan) and the propaganda role of media, sports, and education, especially by Qatar.
  • Quote (on right-wing infighting):

    “The biggest critics of me going to Israel were not the left—it was the right. And friends...now this one issue is literally completely dividing the entire Republican MAGA base, and it’s over $3 billion.” — Jordan, [52:52]

8. Propaganda, Social Media, and Foreign Influence

• Deep dive into how foreign governments use propaganda:
  • Qatar’s Al Jazeera, massive spending on U.S. universities, and their approach to supporting Hamas while keeping an ostensibly clean reputation.
  • Influence of mega-commentators possibly being co-opted.
  • Quote:

    “Qatar spent over $500 million last year on lobbying schools and universities in the U.S.—that’s why every college campus is suddenly screaming pro-Palestine.” — Jordan, [49:09]

9. On “Third World America”

• After traveling to over 30 countries, Jordan rebuffs the notion that the U.S. is a third-world country.
  • Cites extreme poverty, water scarcity, and real life-threatening racism abroad as context.
  • Quote:

    “People that say America is a third world country haven’t been to a third world country. Go to Rwanda.” — Jordan, [56:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On cancel culture:

  “My innocent self back in 2016... posted a picture in a MAGA hat...‘Hey, you can’t play for us anymore.’ That was about 30 grand a year.” — Jordan, [16:26]

• On leadership and growth:

  “If you want to make crazy money, you got to be crazy.” — Jordan, [07:29]

• On propaganda:

  “The U.S. is the capital of the world for propaganda.” — Jordan, [40:07]

• On the right’s internal conflict:

  “The biggest critics of me going to Israel were not the left—it was the right... now this one issue is literally completely dividing the entire Republican MAGA base.” — Jordan, [52:52]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00 — Jordan recounts the aftermath of posting a prayer photo in Israel
• 13:04 — Losing his music career and discovering political activism during COVID
• 16:25 — First major experience with cancel culture—losing gigs for political posts
• 24:22 — Hospitalized with COVID; faith and healing narrative
• 26:15 — Learning about hospital billing and insurance; $100k bill waived by nonprofit status
• 34:49 — Mike Huckabee explains the U.S.-Israel aid arrangement and Iron Dome beta testing
• 40:07 — Discussion on U.S. propaganda and conservatives falling for media narratives
• 49:09 — The scale of Qatar's investment in influencing U.S. campuses; how it explains campus activism
• 52:52 — The new infighting on the political right over Israel; how outside actors exploit this division
• 56:53 — What real “third world” means after seeing places like Rwanda

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Flow & Character

The conversation is candid, energetic, and at times vulnerable. Jordan Sarmo is open about mistakes, trauma, and his faith’s role in transforming both his life and business. The tone is authentic and raw, befitting the show’s mission to tackle topics other podcasts avoid.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode offers an unfiltered look at what happens when private convictions become public in a hyper-polarized world. Jordan Sarmo illustrates how the personal is now deeply political—from being “cancelled” for a prayer photo, to weathering the infighting that is redefining America’s right wing, to hospital bills that reshape a career path. For entrepreneurs, politicos, and anyone navigating a “culture war” job market, there is plenty of food for thought: on loyalty, risk, faith, and finding voices—and customers—that resonate with your own.

Transcript

[A]

I posted a picture of me praying at Shiloh and I just literally had a couple hundred followers unfollow, which was like. That was insane. Number one, the number two, my DMs are Phil F ing traitor you loving. I mean, like the craziest stuff. I mean, you should be dead. You should go into Gaza so they can blow you up there. And all I did was post an Instagram story of me praying at Shiloh.

[B]

Okay, guys, we got Jordan from America First Healthcare here today. We've. We've talked for a while now. We got a lot of mutual. It's nice to finally meet you, man.

[A]

Dude, great meeting you, man. Yeah, it's awesome to be here in Vegas in this. I Left Florida from 95 degree weather to come to even a hot.

[B]

Oh, man, summers out here brutal. And Florida is like the humid weather too. The wet heat.

[A]

Yeah, it is. It is the way now you get

[B]

both types of heat, dry heat. It was. You out here recruiting agents this week or what are you doing out here?

[A]

I'm meeting with Alex Shamozi.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

And their entire team at acquisition.

[B]

I just met him two days ago.

[A]

How was that?

[B]

Amazing. Yeah, we. My friend owns a suit company. We dropped off a custom acquisition.com suit to him and because of the podcast, he recognized me. So I was like, holy. Yeah. As soon as I walked in, he said, what's up?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, he just broke like a huge record selling like 3 million plus books. I already finished the book and is a really good.

[B]

It's on audible fire and I summarized it on ChatGPT and learned a ton. So. Yeah, that's that, dude. I mean, 100 million offers changed my life.

[A]

Really?

[B]

That was the first book I read from him. I think it was his first book ever. And that 100 million leads was pretty good, but this one's really good too. Wow.

[A]

Yeah, Alex, the 100 million leads was an incredible book for me that helped really launch my. My company.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But then the book that's like, honestly changed my life in the last. I would say six months is Buybacker Time by Dan Martell.

[B]

Oh, that's a good one too.

[A]

Oh, my God. Have you read it?

[B]

Yeah, Dan's been on the show. Shout out to Dan. Yeah, he's a solid entrepreneur.

[A]

Yeah. I'm actually meeting him next month. Going up to Canada meeting.

[B]

Yeah, I heard he's doing serious dough these days. 20 million plus a year.

[A]

Yeah, no, he's. He's killing it. And I mean, I learned so much on like how to Buy back your time. Because, like, and, well, I'm sure we'll talk about this in a little bit. When you, when, when you're growing your company or growing in your industry, whatever you end up doing, like, you, you have to start figuring out ways to, you know, buy. Literally buy back your time.

[B]

Yeah, with hiring processes.

[A]

Yeah, with hiring. And you would, you would think, like, it's so people know how to use an assistant and they really don't. Like, because when you, when you bring on an assistant, you know, again, I always ask myself what I'm doing right now, whether it's responding to an email or whether it's going to, you know, meet the, the, you know, the, the cleaning lady at my house. Am I doing a. How. How much am I worth an hour? Am I worth $20 an hour? Am I worth $250 an hour? And if I believe I'm worth $250 an hour with how much I make, then I need to realize, why am I allowing myself to do things that are $15 to $20 an hour job when I could be focusing on growing the company, which allows me to create more employees and more jobs and as well more revenue for the company. So it's, it's one of the biggest, like, you don't own your email, you don't own your calendar. Your assistant owns that. And there's so many incredible teachings in that book that has just changed my life, changed my company, and changed others around us.

[B]

Yes. This is a tough hour, man. I'm on my eighth one, and I'll take accountability for a lot of the previous ones. It was my fault. It's really hard to hire an assistant, actually.

[A]

It is. I mean, because you, you have to find someone that, like, they, they, you have to. I mean, what I've learned when it comes to hiring an assistant is you got to show them the long, the long end game.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And you know, I actually just hired an executive assistant a second one this, literally this past week. And I'm like, listen, I want you to think of, you are the CEO of these four things. And I gave her calendar, I gave her email, I gave her some financial type of stuff and then as well some booking type of stuff for our podcast. And, and I'm like, I want you to create, but I want you to think like you're a CEO and you're creating all the systems and process because six months to a year, two years from now, you might not be doing these things because I'm going to have you be creating in Somewhere else. Your job is to be a problem solver in this department. And when you give them that vision for the long term, it's like, I'm working towards something. And also I'm not going to be answering emails for the rest of my life. And it's really hard to keep people that way when they say, is this what I want to do forever?

[B]

That was my issue, I think.

[A]

And if you can kind of give them that, you know, give them that token at the end of like, hey, when you do these things, there is growth and there's opportunity here and we have massive vision and we want to be a billion dollar company. And if we are, if we are that five, ten years from now, where do you think you are when we. Right now we have only 15 W2 employees. So it's just been trying to keep the end in mind, which I always talk about, obviously with my staff.

[B]

Your growth is pretty, pretty big right now though, right? 25,000 clients in two years.

[A]

Yeah, 25,000 clients in two years. We, we launched, we just had our two year anniversary about four, four months ago. We just moved into a 12,000 square foot building which is literally. No. In Orlando.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And we have a little over 100 agents now nationwide.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

And so it's just, you know, I, I always tell the, the number one mistake that CEOs make when it comes to when, when they start making profits and they start pulling profits and they take away the gasoline from the engine.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it really comes down to like, what your goal is, because if you're, you know, if you're two years in a business, and right now we're bringing in two or three million dollars in revenue, like, you have a decision, there's a fork in the road. Do I want to get to 10 to 15 million a year in revenue or do I want to stay where I'm at, pull profits, get the Lambo, get the big houses and really just kind of like pull those profits. And it really just comes down to like, what is your end goal? Which is like the diamond that I got from 7 Habits of a Highly Effective Leader. Which is like, you have to think of the end in mind. What is. Imagine, like if, imagine you were wanting to build a home and you were a contractor and it's like you break ground, but you don't know what the home's supposed to look like yet. You don't know what roof you're getting, you don't know where the rooms are. And it's like so many people, they start their business, but they actually don't have true vision. One, two, five years of what their goal is and what the business would actually look like if they actually hit all their goals. And that's like one of the, the, the biggest things that CEOs make major mistakes. And I've learned from mentors, I've learned from other people that have taught me that. And it's just really give me true perspective of you have to invest all your profits and, and getting your, like you want to get your. I tell my, my agents all the time, which obviously in sales, you know, you know this. I love the way that you, you do your editing, man.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You incentivize people to, hey, the, the better the work, the more, the better work that you do. You are going to get rewarded for that. And when you incentivize people with your work, even W2 employees, that's something that Dan Martell talks about too, is give good KPIs for your W2s and give them bonuses when they hit those metrics.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And when you do that, I tell my, my agents all the time who are 1099, I'm like, listen, you got to bleed to lead if you want to break through that next ceiling. If, if you're making a hundred thousand dollars a year and you want to get to $200,000 a year, you're gonna have to dip in your income, hire some people to do things that you, you don't want to do anymore because you want to focus on these high productive activities, these high income activities. And, and it's just something that I've learned. And because of that, we're, I mean, I'm throwing all the profits back into it so my agents make more money than me.

[B]

Wow. That's what I'm doing too. With the pod.

[A]

Yep. No, that's, that's how it's supposed to be, man. Like, you're supposed to, you're supposed to lead by example. And again, if you have a short term mindset, like, if you really do, if you're like, hey, I want to make, I want to have a successful business, I want to make $150,000 a year, I'm okay with having a simple life, then like, there's nothing wrong with that. Like, sometimes, you know, some of the personal development gurus, they, you know, kind of shame people for, like, you can do more and you can do more. But like, if you're crazy, which, like the fact that the amount of content that you put out, I am crazy, you're Crazy like. No, you are. You have. There has to be a crazy person in. You look at Elon Musk, you look, you look at the most incredible, you know, businessmen in the country that we can look at in the, or even in the world, like the Jeff Bezos and you know, the Bill Gates. These guys are, they're pretty. There's a crazy side to them that they would actually be willing to commit and do everything and sacrifice everything for some crazy goal. And if you want, and if you want to make crazy money, you got to be crazy.

[B]

You got to be a little delusional. If you're going to be an entrepreneur, CEO, you have to be the dude.

[A]

Being an entrepreneur is like the. Most people is the hardest thing to do.

[B]

It's one of the hardest professions.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Especially if you look at the stats.

[A]

It. Well, yeah, 90 of them fail.

[B]

Yeah. And then even out of the ones that do succeed, their salary is below 50k, correct?

[A]

No, it's salary. The. Your salary is below is 50k. They end up going bankrupt. Then a lot of them end up. You know, think, think about how many businesses like the restaurant industry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I, I tell my agents all the time, like you are able to get into a sales business. There's so many opportunity in the world where you can make so much money right now. And you can get into a sales business with a laptop or a phone and a piece of paper. And as long as you have those three things, I mean you can literally make an unlimited amount of income. And you want an unlimited amount of income as you may. And you think of like other businesses like restaurant industries where you got to take a 2,300 thousand dollar loan, sometimes a million dollar loan out. You have to hire 40, 50 staff. Your payroll is God knows how much, you know, 40, 50 grand a month for your entire staff to hope to break even within a year or two years, if you're even lucky.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then if you're not lucky, you're. You're claiming bankruptcy. You're a couple 100 grand in the hole.

[B]

I've been close to that.

[A]

Yeah, not me too. No, me too. Like it's. But again, it takes those times of getting close to it and going through the fire of the reason why you

[B]

are where you are 100% like, yeah, I've made it and lost it all twice.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How long, how long ago is that?

[B]

First one I was I think like young 20s. And then the second one was four years ago.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

When I first moved to Vegas.

[A]

Not that I. Yeah, I know. You're interviewing me, but like, what do you think is the one thing that switched for you when. When it comes.

[B]

I was way too risky back then, okay. I was putting all my money in crypto. I was putting all my money in the sports cards. I was follow leading by emotion, not logic.

[A]

Amaz.

[B]

That's wisdom, you know.

[A]

So I got distracted because you said sports cards and I got almost big sports. I'm in the hobby.

[B]

I bought too many modern cards. I bought like John Moran and Zion and spent like six figures on those and that market got saturated.

[A]

Zion.

[B]

I should have stuck with the, the OG cards. If I just stuck with that, I would have been up so much money.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

100%.

[B]

Yeah, like Michael Jordan. Like Kobe Jordan.

[A]

Kobe. I mean obviously LeBron Curry. Yeah, yeah. It, I, I'm totally with you. And as well, you have to, you also have to know when to sell, when to.

[B]

That. That was my issue too. I never sold anything.

[A]

Because if you would have sold Zion, even 40% from his hype, you probably would have double.

[B]

I was up on most of them probably, but I just. Yeah. Never sold.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[B]

It's a fun industry though.

[A]

No, it's the most, it's, it's my like way of gambling. It's like, hey, I'm not gambling anymore, even though I'm in Vegas right now.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Don't gamble. But it's like my one way. It's like, you know, I get to

[B]

open up a pack and you do the breaks.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I've done breaks. I wanted to actually get into breaks, dude.

[B]

My buddy makes eight figures a year off breaks.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. In la? Yeah.

[A]

No, my. My selfish hobby that I want to do when I. This. When my company is, like, fully skilled and running is. And I know it's not a profitable business to be in. Elise, I want to open up a card shop.

[B]

Like. Yeah, you make money through the brakes. You don't make money through the sales.

[A]

Correct? 100%.

[B]

Yeah, but it's. It's. Man, you wouldn't believe some of these numbers these kids are making off breaks.

[A]

I know. I spent too much money, dude. I learned what. What not was. And my. My wife is like, you're on. I mean, till 2, 3 in the morning. I'm just like. I just. I'm like, I gotta get it.

[B]

The.

[A]

The break. It's. It's. The Chicago Bulls keep Michael Jordan. You get it for. It's 40% discounted right now. And it's like they. They hook you in and boom, you're 20 grand in.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's pretty nuts. But, dude, let's dive into politics a little bit because that's how we met, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Political friends shout out to Emily. I think you sponsor some of her stuff.

[A]

Yeah, Emily. Emily. Xavier. I've seen a couple. Some of them on. On the show. We have like six or seven different influencers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When did you start diving into politics?

[A]

So, man, I dove into politics because of COVID Yeah. I think a lot of influencers kind of came out of COVID Same.

[B]

Yeah, that's when I got into it.

[A]

Yeah, that was.

[B]

Yeah, I just had to speak up, dude. The censorship was crazy.

[A]

And that it was the hardest time to speak up.

[B]

Yeah. You couldn't.

[A]

Like, you really couldn't. You felt you're. I mean, you're. You're. You got mouth tape over your mouth and you can't really speak and you know the truth. And it was like. It was the most frust. Like the most beautiful and most frustrating two years of your. Of my life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I worked in the music industry and my entire life, and I like politics and health insurance and marketing business. This was something that I never thought I would. I mean, if you told me that, Jordan, in your 30s, you're going to be selling health insurance, I would. Laughed in your face. Like, I was the guy that. I've been playing music and keys since I was 15. I went to music school, then I went to an EDM school DJ School in Los Angeles, moved to Hollywood, lived out there for nine years. And. And you know, if you're working in the entertainment industry, it's very hard to make a six figure income. Like you have to build relationships, work your ass off. I mean, you are doing gigs, you're. I mean, I was traveling 25 days out of the month just to make ends meet, paying three grand a month for crappy, you know, one bedroom apartment in North Hollywood. And Covid happens and immediately I watch my entire six figure income disappear in about three days.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

And for the first time in my life, I was on unemployment. And that was like the bit. It was a big reckoning of like, man, I have no control of my finances right now. And then, you know, from that, obviously you have a lot of people from COVID over those next six months. Some people took it to vacation and some people took it to study. And I, that's when I really took it. I started studying what was going on with our health and the government and politics. And it was the first. I didn't really. I wasn't really interested in politics. I mean, I was interested, but I wasn't. Not enough to actually speak out about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I'll never forget when LA brought that mandate for the vaccine. And I remember the news. I've seen the tweets, like, you can no longer go in a pizza restaurant, a coffee shop. You can no longer go into places indoors in LA county without proving that you have a Pfizer vaccine card. One of my buddies comes over and he said, hey, let's go grab some lunch at Cheesecake in Beverly. I'm like, I don't think I'm gonna get in, bro. Like, I don't. I don't think so. And he goes, I gotta. I got a fake card for you. I'm like, no. Like, Christian, I am not in the United States of America going to fake, like, fake in my way into a restaurant because I can't prove that the government has power over my bloodstream. Like, it's not happening. But if they kick me out, I'm walking out. I'm just, I'm not doing it. And so we went get lunch. Long story short, I get kicked out of the Cheesecake Factory. I recorded the video goes ends up going viral.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But that was like the first step of like, holy crap, what is happening? And I, it. That was like my, my opening for real, where that is where I got my boldness and my faith to like, truly speak out. Because I was scared of death. To speak out. Because if anyone knew that I was a Trump supporter, God forbid in la, in la, in the music industry. And my innocent self back in 2016, not knowing anything, you know, posted a picture of me wearing a maga hat. And again, I'm like, completely oblivious to the politics of this. And I really, truly learned what Cult Cancel Culture was. One of the artists that. I won't say her name because you guys will know who she is. I used to play keys for her and her manager gave me a call right after she saw that picture and was like, hey, you can't play for us anymore.

[B]

Just from a maga. Hut.

[A]

Just from wearing a maga. Holy crap. Yeah. And that was about 30 grand a year.

[B]

Oh my.

[A]

From one of my. From one of my five gigs that I had. But that's when I truly experienced Cancel Culture. So I nev. I had ptsd. I will never post again about politics. It's not worth it. I've given my entire life to this. But then Covid was that defining moment where it's like, nah, this is bigger. Yeah, I'm willing to risk it all. And, you know, I started talking about, you know, what's going on in the country. I started studying the medical industry. What's going on? The vaccine. I mean, do you remember when they. When the governor started pushing the vaccine and the state, the New York governor, Cuomo, he did a press conference and I forget this, and he's. He's doing a big push for the vaccine and he has a Shake Shack burger and these Shake Shack French fries sitting in front of his mic. And he's like, guys, we've made a partnership with, with Shake Shack, and if you just for the next three days, if you guys go and get your vaccine, like, he's talking it like we're like five years old. If you guys go get your vaccine this week, you're gonna get a free burger and a free shake from Shake Shack. And I'm watching this like I'm watching a movie. Like, this is a production set. There's no way. This is like real life. And he goes, let's see how it tastes. I'm literally doing exactly what he did. He grabs a cheeseburger, he's like, mmm, vaccination that this tastes so good, right? Let's see what the french fries taste like. Like. Like we're watching a YouTube five year old series. Like, adults were like, oh, I'm gonna go get my vaccine. But sadly, people did.

[B]

People did. Older people usually, but yeah, people did. And what blows My mind is some people still defend it to this day.

[A]

To this day.

[B]

I'm like, are you serious? There's been so many documented like evidence now at this point. I mean, like I could get it like two, three years ago. A lot of us were on the fence. Right. I mean, some people knew quick, but most people were like, I don't know about it.

[A]

Yeah, no, I think if the, if there are people that still believe that today, it really is like the. It's just a loud minority.

[B]

That's some programing because.

[A]

Yeah, it's some serious program that. I mean, which again, they program the shit out of us.

[B]

I mean, I almost got it. Yeah, I was a couple of weeks away.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, like, because to travel, dude, like for our lifestyle to fly at the time you needed it, right?

[A]

Yeah, no, yeah, that was, that was the scary thing, especially internationally. And I remember there was a couple trips I wanted to go on and I couldn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's just crazy to think. Yeah, Biden brought that in too. He's like, you can't come into the United States unless you have the vaccination. Like, I forgot about that. That is wild.

[B]

A lot of countries did that.

[A]

That is literally insane. Yeah. And yeah, that will. That, that whole three year journey was, was nuts. And that really launched in my political, my political journey and, and then obviously led to America First Healthcare, which, hence the name. You kind of know that my company is pretty damn conservative.

[B]

Yeah. And speaking of America first, that's like a big movement right now, right?

[A]

Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I'll never, I'll never forget, I was, I was when I created this big following online and social media and I'm like, what do I want to do? Like, I've been. Because I actually launched an Instagram live show and that's really how I built my following. And so I would, for every Monday through Friday, five nights a week for an entire year straight, I never miss one night, 9pm and I would book three influencers and, and we would have hour. I would prepare an entire hour dialogue and I would, we would ask, talk about the trending topics and from that, like obviously when you bring other people with bigger, with bigger followings online, you know, their, their audience is seeing you. And that's how my, my audience grew like 40,000 followers and just within, you know, three or four months. And then as, as this community kind of, you know, came around, like, what do I want to do and how do I want to, number one, serve the people that are following Me without, you know, being a sellout. And then number two was something that I actually want to do, and I've always loved sales. But my story, I actually ended up getting Covid. And I was hospitalized, almost died.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

Yeah, it was a. That's a whole.

[B]

Is that the first wave?

[A]

Second wave was the delta.

[B]

First wave almost wiped me out.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I was fucked. I got, like, pneumonia. I still have, like, a lung cyst right now. From.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, from all the antibiotics and everything.

[A]

Wow. Yeah. No, I. I held out. I actually. I actually got it at Turning Point. Oh, yeah, At Sass.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

In July 2021, I went to. Because I was speaking at one of the breakouts, did that Turning Point event, came back home, and I, like. I got sick. I'm like, I'm gonna ride this thing out. And that thing that pissed me off the most, bro, was I was trying to get Ivermectin, and I could not get a doctor to prescribe me. I literally had one doctor say, I can't prescribe this to you because I will lose my license.

[B]

So you knew the solution, but you couldn't get it?

[A]

I knew right away. I knew the solution. I called three doctors. They couldn't get it to me, so I had to call. I found a connect through one of the freedom doctors, and she connected with a doctor in Chicago, and that doctor was willing to write me this prescription.

[B]

By.

[A]

By. By that point, it was like day five, day six. And you have to take those doses of Ivermectin in the first three days for it to actually take an effect. And that thing hit me so hard. I'll never forget. It was like, day five, and I was fighting this thing out, and I tried to go to the bathroom, and I fell down, a collapse to the floor.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

And I literally. Because I could not breathe, literally couldn't. Then my dad found me on the bathroom. I was, like, trying to scream for my dad, but every time I would talk, I literally. My lungs kept caving in.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So my dad found me on the floor. He's like, I got to take you to the emergency room. Takes me in the emergency room. And I was there for seven days. And the third night, dude, I thought I was going to die. Like, I was one. I was one notch away from going on to a ventilator. I don't mean to get spiritual, man, but, like, I had a crazy encounter with Jesus. Really?

[B]

So you were hallucinating?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I didn't actually Know, I didn't see him visually, but no, I was so jacked up. They put. They're either pumping me with Met number one, they're pumping. Pumping you with meds. Number two, you're, like, insanely over emotional.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, like, the question for the first time in my life is, am I going to die like that? That's a thought. That again, we know about that one day.

[B]

But, like, in your 20s is different.

[A]

Yeah. Like, you. When, like, am I going to die tonight? And then on top of that, the psychological thing that goes on when, like, your family and your parents can't be in the room.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, like, they put. I mean, they just. Honestly, it would. The. The policy that they put in place and the guidelines was, like, made for people to die. And.

[B]

Yeah, the ventilator, I think if you got on that, you were toast.

[A]

I know. And I remember I was like, do not give me a ventilator. I get. Do not give me the ventilator. And then they. The doctor comes in and is like, so you want to know why? Literally, you want to know why you got this, right? And I'm like, why? He's like, because you're not vaccinated. Like, no, like, like, hello, doctor. Thank you. First thing he said, and he goes, so we're gonna. We're gonna give you the medication that we gave Trump. And that's what made him better. Find out. It's from Desavir. Oh, and Remdesivir actually gave me my kidney or liver. I had damage from that, which is a whole nother story. But, yeah, then I will never forget the fifth night, man. Or. Yeah, there's a fifth night. I get a phone call from this lady I haven't talked to in, like, years. Older lady, too. And she goes, jordan, I just saw your social media posts. Gather your faith, because tonight the Lord is going to heal you. And, you know, I've. I was raised in a very evangelical Christian home. I've seen healings before. I've gone on missions trips, and I've seen, like, the power of God work in places that, you know, honestly does not work in the States. And I don't whether it's a lack of faith, why, but I've seen incredible healings. I wasn't planning on talking this, but incredible healings happened. And I. That faith and that faith in me arose. And I. I played this song by an artist named Brandon Lake, and when I listened that song, dude, I felt the most insane presence, like, enter the room. And I'm like, bawling. My eyes out and I'm like, I'm going to be healed. And literally, bro, the next morning I wake up. There's no bs. Like my friends that know me, they know that I'm a real one. Like I next morning, completely healed.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Like I could not. That night before, they had to bring me a, like a portable potty because I could not walk to the bathroom without not being able to breathe.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

And so that night before I was using a portable potty. I wake up the next morning, six or seven hours later, my lungs are completely healed. I wake up, I'm like, literally I can, like I can breathe. Oh my, oh my goodness. I pull out the tubes, I can breathe, I stand up, I walk to the bathroom. Everything is back to normal within literally, I mean, six or seven hours of sleep. And that, and that was like my, like my ring, like my rededication to my faith in a whole new way, man.

[B]

I bet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That would change anyone, I think.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Holy crap. Because you were like possibly minutes, hours away from dying.

[A]

Yeah, no, yeah. No, literally. I mean I didn't, I did not know. And that question is something that I. You never want to go down that road. But anyways, from that experience I learned about the medical industry. I got stuck with a hundred thousand dollar medical bill. Did not know insurance. I, I did have insurance, but it was an insurance I did not like and that actually would not want to. Did not want to cover it.

[B]

Any of it.

[A]

No, hardly any.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

That was the reason why I actually got into health insurance.

[B]

Well, I'd imagine on their end at the time they were dealing with so many claims.

[A]

Well, there's a, There's a lot of bad health shares out there. There's something called health share. And, and I'm not going to get in the nitty gritty of it, but health share is another type of, of it's an alternative for health insurance. And you know, again, they wanted to claim. Whether they went bankrupt or they claimed pre existing, they weren't getting back to claims. And I was going get stuck with this bill. And I'll never forget, you know, I'm. I, the, the hospital I stayed at was a nonprofit. And why. And actually I'll talk about some hacks in health insurance later. Yeah, but because I went to a nonprofit and I was unemployed at the time, this nonprofit waived my entire hundred thousand dollar medical bill.

[B]

White.

[A]

Literally. And that, that caused me to like, I'm like, okay, there's. How does this building system work? Like the house this health share failed me when it comes to the private health insurance space. Like, like, what is the difference of government insurance and how do they do these billings? How do they get $110,000 bill? For me being there for six days, and that really kind of like, pushed me to, like, learn about the private health insurance industry. And then hence, that's literally how I launched America First Healthcare.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I launched it about six months later, had 500 appointments get booked, and literally my first launch of after two days.

[B]

So there's a big need for this.

[A]

Oh, huge need. People want to work with people that they align with. You know, I was literally four or five weeks ago, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare shoots us an email, says, hey, we are not him, but his assistant. Hey, we want to fly you guys out to see what you guys are doing. Could we use some of our. We use some of their products for our plans. And he shows me this. They what they first show us before we give them our pitch deck, they have us watch, like, their pitch deck video. It's like a video, a promo of what they do. And in one of the clips, it's a black girl, and she's like, you know, I, you know, I love United Healthcare because I get to work with other people, and I want to work with doctors that look like me and talk like me so that I feel more comfortable with my medical. And. And after they, you know, after they finished that video, it was like the perfect transition because I'm like, you know that clip with that lady when she was saying that she wants to work with people that look like her, that talk like her? That is why our company is blowing up right now. Because people want to work people who align with their values. And at the end of the day, if I have to get health insurance for. To protect myself from bankruptcy or to go see a doctor if I have to. And I have two options. One person that aligns with my values, which I probably trust more, I'm going to have more chemistry with. I'm going to choose that person, even if it's the same price or maybe. Maybe if it's even 5 or 10 more. Because people work with people that they can trust and they align with and have that relationship.

[B]

I agree. That's everything these days.

[A]

And that's. And that's really why I blew up.

[B]

Yeah. Because when it's something like health insurance, that's a very emotional purchase. That's.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That could, like, make or break your life, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And I learned that from you Know Public Square, Public Square. Michael Seifert, he's the. He's the company of Public Square. Public Square was actually a company that I would use in Los Angeles when to find a restaurant out. It basically became like the conservative Yelp.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And you would go on Public Square during the COVID times to try to find, like a restaurant that wouldn't discriminate you based off.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Yeah. That's literally how Public Swear got launched. Now it's a whole marketplace and Donald Trump Jr. Is invested in it. And they just went public. Yeah, it's. It's completely blown up. But I reached out to the CEO of Michael. I'm like, hey, I need an email list. What would you charge me? I want to test something out. He's like, I'll charge you two grand and you can have our email list of a hundred thousand people.

[B]

Damn, that's a good deal.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's a great deal. But they were also brand new back in the day. They weren't. You know, they were still. Probably still looking for funding at the time. Now they're. Yeah, they would, they would charge me ten grand for that sent out. And I literally. I was like, what am I going to call this? What am I going to do? And I'm watching Trump speak it and he's like, america First. America First. I'm like, america First Healthcare. Okay, let's just. Let's just try this out. And I didn't. I just, I didn't have the domain yet. I didn't have all the CRM set up yet. And I literally just, you know, put Kick the government out with America First Health care. And they sent out that email was like 550 appointments over two to three days.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

And so then I frickin hired four or five agents there, and from there we scaled.

[B]

That's nuts. Yeah, that's so nuts.

[A]

Yeah, man.

[B]

So America First. Do you think you could be America first while being pro Israel, man?

[A]

So I, I just came back from Israel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which, man, Israel is such a tough conversation right now because, my God, I never. It feels like right now, the amount of media on both sides that are going towards this topic of Israel, it kind of feels like the 2016, when Trump, like first ran for office, like, it's really divided. It's. It is number one, it's. It's so divided and it's the most. It's. I mean, it's like, it feels like vaccine type of polarization. It's like, if you are not on our side, we will chop off your head. And it doesn't matter if we agree with 95% of everything else. And growing up when it comes to, like, Israel, like, I, I, you know, being raised as a Christian, you're, you're raised from, from a young age to. You support Israel, it says in the Bible. But again, I've always been someone that always questions their beliefs. And at the, the turning point event this past, this past summer, when David Smith. I don't know if you were there.

[B]

I saw the debate.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, David Smith, he, you know, debated. I forget some other Josh Hammer. Yeah, Josh Hammer and David Smith destroyed him. Like, it was just not even, not even close. And after listening to that conversation, because I was already, I was already starting to go to, like, start leaning towards, like, man, El Israel is, like, effed up. Like, this is literally, literally insane. And then you hear about the funding. It's like, yeah, why the hell are we sending $3 billion over to Israel to fund someone else's war? Like, they got money. The Jews are rich. Like, why. Why are they. Why. Why do we have to pay for their war? And they're real valid questions. So then one week after I go to that trip, I get a text message from a buddy of mine, and he goes, yo, we actually had a cancellation. We got a spot. I don't know if you want to come, but we will pay for your flight and we'll pay for your hotel to come out to Israel. And I said yes to it. And for me, the reason why I want to go to Israel is because I wanted to see where Jesus walked. Like, that was. I mean, I personally like the Israel thing, whatever. I don't really care too much about the debate. I honestly also didn't really know what was going on at Gaza at the time. I knew that there was bombings, but I'm like, that's war. It's just part of war. It sucks. And I wanted to see, like, the, See where Jesus walked and see the Old Testament come to life. But from that, like, I mean, they took us to so many different places. And, you know, there's about four days worth of history about the Bible and Jesus. And there's two days where they showed us. Like, obviously there are a lot more pro Israel and they're going to show us. I mean, we went to the. We went to one of the army bases right on the Gaza Strip. We went to the October 7th sites. We learned a little bit more about the history of Israel from obviously, the Israeli perspective. But the thing that really, you know, spoke to me was when we went to the embassy and we spoke. I spoke with Mike Huckabee and I talked to him for about an hour and I asked him. I'm like, listen, number one, I'm getting. I just posted an Instagram story of me being at Shiloh, which is where, you know, Samuel is. Is living for his entire life until he goes and anoints David as king. I posted a picture of me praying at Shiloh and I just literally had, you know, number one, like a couple hundred. Unfollow. A couple hundred followers. Unfollow, Damn. Which was like that. That was insane. Number one, the. Number two, my DMs are filled. Effing traitor. You loving. I mean, like the craziest stuff. I mean, you should be dead. You should go into Gaza so they can blow you up there. I mean, like the craziest stuff. And all I did was post an Instagram story of me praying at Shiloh. And I'm like, man, we're now at the place now. And this is so divisive that if you just go to the country, which, I mean, again, if that was the case for the last 30 years, I would not be able to live in America because we were the, the capital of war and we were the capital of corrupt corruption, and we funded wars all over the entire world. And we. And we know about this. But then from what Mike Huckabee told me, he's like, you know, I said, hey, Mike. I was like, a lot of us were losing jobs. We are taking a lot of heat for just being here. Everyone thinks that we're, we're now Israel spies and we're getting paid off. Like, what is going on in Gaza? Like, why the heck do we send. And I asked him, why are we sending three point. I think it's like 3.8 or $3.2 billion for Israel, for their war. And he, he gave me some four or five good points. Now for the critics out there, you guys, like, oh, this guy is coming here giving Israel talking points. That's what they're thinking. But he came out and said, you know, number one, you don't realize that, yes, with the $3 billion that we give towards Israel when it comes to their funding, that is going to. Number one, it's coming right back to. It's coming back to the United States when it comes to obviously our, our military industrial complex, they're buying our missiles. But the thing that actually caught my attention more than anything was that they're actually the beta tester for the Iron Dome that we are actually about to create.

[B]

Oh, we're creating one in America.

[A]

Trump. Well, Trump's been talking about it and Mike and Mike Huckabee talked about a little bit. He's like, what do you, you know, think about this? We, they have an Iron Dome. That's our technology. We actually like co founded it with them. And when the Iron Dome messes up that data and that intelligence is coming straight back to us. And I actually know that the Iron Dome actually didn't work 30 days ago because I went to, they took us to one street where when Iran was sending all those missiles about a month ago. I, I can show you the videos. There's like a whole strip of homes and like a grocery store. Like honestly, looks like it looks like a strip of Gaza. Honestly, it's completely obliterated. One of my friends, her apartment complex was two blocks down from it.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

All her, two blocks down, her, her windows were completely shattered from just the, the what's what blast. The. Yeah, from the blast from that, from that, that actual missile. And that's from 2 block.

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[A]

Down. So I mean again, he's like number one, like, yes, they're, they're, we are beta testing their intelligence and what they're using for their defense system because we want to bring that here to protect Americans. Number two, like again, the data that we get and the intelligence that we get when it comes to, not when it comes to not having our own boots on the ground isn't one of the most valuable things. And he goes, think about it. We don't. In one of the most craziest places for war. We have bases in South Korea, we have bases all over. We have bases, I believe in Qatar as well. Like we have bases all over the world. But we don't have to have a base in Israel. We don't have to have boots on the ground in the middle of an area where they do say death to America. And with that, Israel, you know, I won't say it this way, but he said in a nice way, basically what he said was Israel does our dirty work for us and it's a it, we do get that money back. But I also think like, if you're going to question that, you also have to kind of question like people don't realize. I mean there is a big double standard. I mean we, we've given like 60, 70 billion dollars over the last 20 years to Egypt.

[B]

I didn't know that.

[A]

Right, right. One, one border. What? But the, there's that, the east side of Israel, the north side of Israel.

[B]

I thought it was in Africa.

[A]

No, Egypt is right, no, Egypt is on the border of Israel.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And then we also give 1.6, $1.8 billion to Jordan, which is right on the border of Israel.

[B]

That's a lot.

[A]

And so like again, to me it's like it, if you're going to question about the funding for Israel, you also got to question the funding of the other countries.

[B]

Fair point.

[A]

And which is, you know, and again, I think there are, there are cases for both sides. I mean if I'm taking the 100% all pro America, America first and you're taking national security out of it, I'm saying, well, yeah, what could we do with that $3 billion in broken down communities here in the states. 100%. But as well, again, we let our emotions take over and when we see a bunch of propaganda or we see what's going on in Gaza, which a lot of it obviously is real and we allow our emotions from there to, and we're just so short sighted with actually what the bigger picture is. And we, and everyone acts like they know what's going on with their foreign policy. And I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Like my entire opinion is coming from being me being there once for seven days. But if you want to know, you

[B]

go, it makes you wonder how much of what we see on social media is propaganda.

[A]

100%. Oh no. I mean we saw that.

[B]

We saw that.

[A]

Like, okay, so this, this is like one of my biggest frustrations right now with the right. The right knows the propaganda that we went through when. 2016, when we decided to vote for Trump. Like 90, like, talk about propaganda. Like, the US is the capital of the world for propaganda. Yeah, I mean, we want, we live through it. We went through it over the last, the last 10 years. Just if you wanted to say that you were a Trump supporter, you know, right now, now it's like, it's cool to be a Trump supporter. But back in 2016, dude, like, you were scared to wear a MAGA hat. You were scared to let people know. I was embarrassed to let people know who I was voting for. Because every single day, all day, for years and years and years, all you're seeing is Trump is racist. Think of, remember all the videos that you saw when you would, you would see MAGA people in, you know, obviously racist hill. Certain, I want to say hillbilly, but racist type of people. And they are, you know, you see the video of them beating up a black dude and then like, that is now the brand for the entire movement of America. First that, oh, look, all a mag, All a MAGA is racist. Because this one dude, you know, you see a clip of a white guy with a MAGA hat beating up a black dude or the Charleston thing with Trump, when they're like, you know, there's good people on both sides. And they took that clip, which was obviously false. Like, and that's what makes me most frustrated is like, you have so many conservatives that are, that are just like automatically falling in line for whatever the media is saying. It's like, number one, first of all, do you trust the media? Number two, where's the media coming from? Is this, is this. Are we talking about cnn, BBC, msnbc, let alone Qatar? Like, Qatar is one of the leading propaganda media organizations in the world. And it's more than just a media organization. It's like a soft power tool is what they would call it, because it's way more than just media and it's

[B]

spread towards social media, too. It's not just traditional media that's being taken over and programmed.

[A]

Well, it's not. It's not. It's not even just social media and media. It's also sports. And one person that, oh, man, I spoke to so many locals because, like, my mission when I got to Israel, I was like, number one, I don't know who's, you know, and by the way, I paid about $2,000 to go there. They did pay part of my flight, they made part of my hotel, but I did pay about 2 grand because I want to go on a different flight and they weren't going to pay for it. So like number and number two, I lost about eight days worth of work, which is a lot of money for me when if I'm going to take time off. And so number one, I want to see the days of Jesus. But then number two, like I wanted to talk to the locals cuz I don't care what anyone from the staff says, I don't care what the media says, I don't care what Tucker Carlson says or Candace Owens. Like have you been there? Have you talked to the locals? And you know that if you really want to know and find out what's going on, you got to be boots on the ground and find out those conversations, go to the source. And that's what, and that's what I did. And I talked to so many, had so many conversations with locals. And you know, if I posted one, the, the critics would say, oh, that was a plant from one of the Israeli government. It's like, no, that was I, we went in the west, we went in the Western bank, we went by Gaza, we went into Jerusalem, which is actually where there's Christians, Muslims, Armenians, Arabs, all of them, all living, living and working together in peace. Which was the biggest mind twist for me being in Israel. It's like, man, there's 2 million Arabs that live in Israel and they're actually for the majority of them are for Israel being in power. Why? Because it's the only country in the Middle east that's actually a free country and a democracy that is not underneath jihad. And the Arabs will say that. Now I will say I, I kind of compare the Arabs, if the best way I can, an American way. I compare the Arabs to like the BLM back in 2016 where it's like we're, they are not happy with the government, they don't have a lot of representation. There is a lot of discrimination, obviously. Is there racism? Sure. But they are way more happier to live in Israel than to live in Syria, Libya, Le, Jordan, Egypt, any of those places because they have, they get to run in their own businesses and it's a democracy.

[B]

Yeah, they start off with good intentions with BLM at first and then money got in the way.

[A]

100, 100%. And, and like the other, the other, the other biggest double standard that I learned was and bro, look this up. Egypt back in 2020. Think of Trump's wall, but on steroids, it's like 30 meters high. It's two times higher the size of Trump's wall with barbed wire on both sides. And that entire wall goes all the way to the beach for on Gaza's border. And Egypt will not allow anyone from Gaza to come over, to come over to Egypt. And actually, the Palestinian told me this, one of the Palestinian locals, I was like, why? Like, what is your biggest issue when it comes to the border? It's like, well, number one, my biggest issue is actually Egypt because yes, Israel should open up the borders and let people out, and yes, they should send in more humanitarian aid. Yes, they've screwed up in 10 different ways, and I can't stand Israel for that. But who's not getting enough flack is Egypt, because Egypt won't let anyone in. Syria doesn't want them. Egypt doesn't want them. And so then what, what? And so then now the Gazans have to come to Israel because it's the actual only border that will actually bring in humanitarian aid. It's the only war. It's like, it's crazy if you really think about this from a bird's eye view. It's the only war that the country that they're, they're the war in, the war that they're fighting, one country is actually sending in humanitarian aid and money and food and allowing money from Qatar to go through their own border to then strengthen Hamas. Because. Because we all know that Hamas, I mean, and again, this is widely reported. Go look it up. Hamas is stealing majority of the aid that's coming in. They're then reselling it, taxing it 15 to 20%. They're stealing 90% of 90% of all the food that's coming in. And they're making hundreds of millions of dollars a month on specifically the aid that is coming. And what's, what does that do? That strengthens Hamas, allows them to recruit more, allows them to pay more people to then become a Hamas soldier. Because the majority of these soldiers are kids. They're teenagers. They're also dads that they're forced to be a part of this regime because if not, they will get killed. And you can't. And yes. Does Israel deserve criticism? 100%. But you can't criticize Israel and not criticize Hamas because. And it's so hard for me to hear people say that free Palestine from Israel. It's like, free Palestine from Hamas like that. It's a real saying. Because Hamas is what has truly brought destruction even before. October 7th, in this entire bombing, I mean, Hamas took over the entire Palestinian government, threw them off roofs, roofs, killed them, and they took over. And, you know, there's. I, I literally, when I got back, I started looking up influencers in Palestine or, or Gaza, and, and I found a ton of them. And I found this one guy that now lives in Germany who was actually arrested and beaten by Hamas because he led a protest back in 2019. He got arrested, he got beaten, he got tortured. They finally allowed him escape like a year later, and now he lives in Germany. He's like, I'm getting the hell out of here. And after October 7, he started speaking up and. Yes. Does he like Israel? No. Does he have beef with Israel? Yes. But he's like, you cannot hate Israel and not love Hamas because it literally makes zero sense. Because Hamas is actually the reason why that, that strips that city of Gaza, which used to be beautiful, and it was actually growing and there was restaurants and it was starting to get very innovative and the beaches were beautiful and people would actually go there. Now it's been absolutely destroyed because Hamas took over and took it by force. And now if. And if you would protest against the government, you would be killed or you'd be brutally beaten.

[B]

Wow, that's nuts. I wonder what Qatar's angle is with funding Hamas. Like, have you looked into that?

[A]

I've looked into a little bit. So I. One person I got to meet, which was probably my most. My. One of my favorite conversations was with a Palestinian Arab that has lived in Israel for 40 years. Or. No, I'm sorry, not 40 years. His entire life. So he's gone through the entire thing. And he was actually one of like the. I interviewed ten different locals. Yeah, that. That were Arabs, and eight of them were like, it was pretty common. Like, we don't like Israel, we don't like the government, but we rather live in Israel than obviously outside, you know, in another country.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There was one that I was like, honestly nervous that he was going to kill us.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

He was definitely an extremist. 100 like. And the only reason why I felt semi safe was because we were around police. And that was actually close to the. The Western Wall in Jerusalem. But there was one person that we got to speak with for about 45 minutes, and he was actually a journalist, world renowned journalist in the Middle east. And he actually has interviewed Hamas many times. Hamas used to bring him in. This is before October 7th. And he really broke down how Qatar really works and the purpose of Qatar, which was really interesting. So Guitar hates Israel, but Qatar does not want to do the dirty work. You can kind of say that, you know, kind of. How is us having Israel doing the dirty work, essentially? And Qatar basically funds it with media and propaganda. And the purpose of their media is to, number one, yes, they can't stand Israel, but they do not want to get their hands dirty. Plus they're also trying to befriend the United States. So the, the goal of Qatar is to basically look like we are the modern era of Islam and we are the nice ones. And they want to have this prolific, you know, this prolific reputation. But Al Jazeera, which is like the name of their main media organization, there's no question, like, it is very pro Hamas, it is very anti Israel. And they use their funds and they spend, I mean, they spend over a billion dollars a year on media, in propaganda. And one thing that he mentioned, he goes, you think that it's just social media. You think that it's just media. You think that it's just videos online and you know what, the video clips from Gaza. But it's way more than that. It's the education system. He goes, they said, do you not know that over $500 million last year Qatar spent, Al Jazeera spent on lobbying schools and universities in the United States.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Which is reason why college campuses. I mean, why do you think out of nowhere, boom, the entire. Every college campus in the US Is screaming pro Palestine. Like, they don't even know where Palestine is on the map.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

And now they turn into these big pro Palestine activists. Like, what happened to blm? What happened. What happened to all these other organizations in the pro choice movement? Like, everything has switched over to Palestine. We're hearing all these stories right now of people getting paid for protesting, and we're seeing the Same people at 20 different type of protests. And because they're getting paid for it. And so. But the other thing you mentioned, he goes, think of the sports games. He goes, you ever see these European soccer games and stadiums of 100,000 people, and then out of nowhere you see this massive big flag that says Free Palestine. That's guitar.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

All there's in Europe, no one is going to a soccer game. Because that is, that, that is a part. If you read their actual, like, their plans. It's not just about media. It's social media. It's media, it's sports, it's universities, it's schools, it's education. It's way more than just media. And I'm like, Man, Qatar is very powerful. It's a lifestyle which Israel hates, by the way. Israel. One thing that Israel's not happy with the US And Trump specifically is our relationship with Qatar because we've kind of, Trump, you know, has made some deals with them and, but again, they're like, we know Trump's a businessman, but again, it's a big slap in the face to Israelis.

[B]

That's good to know. Yeah. It makes you wonder who in our political commentary space is potentially working with Qatar. Right.

[A]

I mean, we've, we've heard stories and rumors and again, I don't want to spread rumors because I, I have not really researched it. But again, like, you do, you do see pictures of Tucker Carlson and guitar. Like, and it, it just, you have to question. It's like, and I agree with what Tucker says a lot. Like, when Tucker spoke at SAS at the Student Action Summit at Turning Point, and he was like, it does not make me an anti Semite to criticize the. Just because I criticize the Israeli government. Because if that's the case, and I'm anti American for criticizing the American government for the last, for since I've been born. And, and I, I agree with him on that. 100. Like, and are there things that you can criticize about the Israeli government? Yes. Like, should they have blocked up, blocked the humanitarian aid? Yes. Are there reasons for it that are probably valid? Yes. Again, I'm not there. I don't know the issues. But when you start seeing, like, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and all of these humongous figures out of nowhere, just like flip the script, like in a major way. And then they're also visiting and they're, they're going there. Like, you have to ask, are they being funded? I don't know. Like, do I think Tucker's being funded? No. I hope he's not being bought. That would honestly be depressing because he's one of my, he is one of my favorite commentators to listen to. But like, you do have to ask the question, like, what ended up happening and how there's such. I mean, if I was the left, I am so happy right now because I've literally divided the entire Maga movement and the biggest critics of me going to Israel was not the left, it was the right. And friends. Like, I, I literally saw a post that went that by, by a pretty prolific influencer and I just heard, I just found out that there was a group of influencers going to Israel and I just received the itinerary that they have. They're being Bought and paid for and da, da, da, da. And over the next couple weeks, we're going to be exposing these influencers and we're going to be exposing who they are and you know, and that you cannot be America first. And that if they're, if they're not with us, they're against us. And I shot a DM to this person. I was like, bro, I've known you for three years. We have done podcast after podcast together. We've had incredible conversations. We fought through Covid, we fought through the vaccines, we fought through 2016 rocking MAGA hats when it wasn't cool. And we agree on 99% of everything. But there is this one issue that is literally completely dividing the entire Republican MAGA base and it's over $3 billion. And to me, if you don't ask yourself questions of like, is there a bigger power that is using this catastrophe that is happening Gaza that is real to divide the right and the strength of the Republican Party, then I question your ability to really think and have a true bird's eye view of what's going on politically in this.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of infighting on the right right now. Oh, it's insane at this point. We're going to lose 28.

[A]

Yeah. No, I mean like if, if Israel, if, if Israel comes down to like the foundation of our vote and we come become a one party voter like many on the left are. If we become that, yeah, we are going to lose in 2020.

[B]

Yeah. There's no question, there'll be no unison.

[A]

It's working. It's working. And I can say that confidently. And I'm not being an Israeli sympathizer. Like the, the reality is, is someone is pulling some strings to now within six months or a year, we are at each other's necks. We were not talking about Israel a year ago. We weren't talking about Israel for the last eight years when Biden was in office and Trump was in office and, and now Trump back. Like, now Trump gets in office and boom, it's like the light switch turned on. Hundreds of millions of dollars are going somewhere that is, is on. And again, what they're, what they're investing their money in is, is not, not necessarily fake. Like the truth is actually what it is. But they're using this chaos and they're using this destruction to really destroy the

[B]

Republican Party for sure.

[A]

That's sad.

[B]

Anything else you want to close off with on Israel or you want to move on from that topic,

[A]

man? No, I mean, I think, I mean Outside of. I mean, if you're a Christian, you got to go to Israel.

[B]

I want to do some interviews with Israel leadership or something, influencers out there, get their perspective.

[A]

I've met so many of them.

[B]

Are there like, like podcast creators out there and content creators? Oh, there's a ton.

[A]

There's a ton of them. They'll give you. I, I mean, again, like I said, I spoke with Arabs, I spoke with Israelis, I spoke with Palestinians. And yeah, I mean, and the thing is, this is the biggest misconception is that the people of Israel, they don't hate the people of Palestine and at all. Like, they're heartbroken of it. It's the same way, like, you look at, you look at Americans, right? And you look at the US and what view does the Middle east have of the US and the people there, they probably think that death to America. And they, they think all of these things that we are these, these horrible people that are sending bombs and we're celebrating and laughing at their demise, but that's actually not the case. That was one of the most shocking things I saw when I was in Israel is that, like the Israelis and the Arabics, number one that live in Israel, they all get along. Like, they're not best friends, but they get along. They respect each other. I mean, go to where the Temple Mount is. Like, the Muslims actually control the Temple Mount, which is one of the holiest sites for Islam and one of the holiest sites for Christians, because that's where the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle David was. And Israel in Peace said, hey, you guys can run this. Even though, you know, a lot of people still disagree. That's a very controversial topic. But the people in Israel, like, they, they feel horrible for what's going on. But, I mean, I learned a lot of crazy stuff also at the military base and as well from some of these journalists that what's going on in Gaza, that does show another side of, of what's happening and how Hamas uses propaganda and Qatar is using the propaganda for it to, you know, hurt. Hurt Israel and their. Its view from the West.

[B]

Yeah, we'll end off with this one. You've traveled around the world. How many, how many countries have you been to?

[A]

Do, you know, probably 30 plus.

[B]

Over 30. Yeah. So you've been to third world countries. Do you think America is becoming a third world country?

[A]

Yeah. People that say that America is a third world country haven't been to a third world country. Go to Rwanda. I mean, when I went to Rwanda, I mean, Number one, like, you can't find clear. What Clean water. Like you can't drink water. I mean, at least here in the us no matter where you live. I mean, at least in most places. I know there are some places during Michigan. Yeah, Flint, Michigan. Okay. You have, you have your one offs. But no, I mean, when you go to an actual third world country, I mean, you got to walk miles to get clean water. You got to walk miles to. You're, you're, you're starving. Like, there literally is not food on top of that. Like, the people don't realize the racism that goes on. Like real racism where you get murdered and tribes get killed just for your religion or your faith or not abiding.

[B]

South Africa, right?

[A]

South Africa. I mean, talk that to me. When I look at third world country, when we talk about how cities are becoming a third world country, you really kind of, you know, it's kind of a slap in the face to the cities and the countries that are actually third world. I mean, when I was in Rwanda, I literally had to sleep with a net around my bed because there would be these poisonous mosquitoes that if they got you, they'd kill you.

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

And so I was like, I'm going to sleep paranoid. And these guys are like, yeah, just don't forget, put the net. You might die. I'm like, okay, that's great.

[B]

Why were you out there?

[A]

I went out there. We did. One of the artists that I played for, we. We did like a whole charity event and we played for like 5,6000 Rwandans, which was like, so cool. But it was like, it was scary, man. Like, I mean, you're, you got no AC anywhere. Like, you're, you have your skit. You can't drink any of the. Clean any of the water there or you'll get super sick. Food is a luxury there. And, and then on top of that, like, I mean, people don't got cars. They don't. They're not driving around. I mean, you could actually say that Rwanda and places in Africa are more of a third world country than more. More than like Cuba. And Cuba's in bad shape. I mean, Cuba is like two countries. It's like one side. It's like beautiful for all the tourists. It's like, I feel like it's like Hunger Games in Cap. In Cuba, it's like the capital. You go on the tourist side and then you literally cross the bridge and it's good night. It's. Yeah, it's a. You're getting mer. You can't you know, you. You're limited on food. Your food is rationed and everything.

[B]

Yeah. If people say America is a third world country, they must. There should be qualifications to making that statement.

[A]

Yeah. One hundred and yes. Like, are there places that feel like a third world country, especially if you've never traveled? 100. Like, I wouldn't walk in Baltimore. Like, I wouldn't walk certain parts of New York City, even la, Los Angeles, man. That's why I got out. One of my buddies, I talked to him like, three months ago. I'm like, how is it bad? And he's actually. And he's actually a lefty. He goes, yeah. I'm honest with you, man. Like, it's getting pretty bad here. Like, how bad? He's like, I don't wear jewelry anymore because I'm scared of getting jumped.

[B]

Hell no.

[A]

I'm like, people are getting jumped in Beverly Hills now. Like, they're going out. Out into the rich areas. Like, we're gonna.

[B]

There's no repercussions.

[A]

Yeah, there is. Why? Because we don't enforce the law. Yeah. I mean, that's. I mean, we see what's going on right now with Trump in D.C. like, you bring in someone, you bring in a boss that's actually gonna enforce the law, and everyone disappears. It's like, daddy's home. And when Daddy's home, like, people are not going to disobey. They might not listen to Mommy the

[B]

same way, but that's probably where they'll put the dome, I'd imagine. D.C. i hope they.

[A]

I would hope so.

[B]

That'd be pretty nuts.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, be pretty badass.

[B]

Yeah, that would be sick. So when you landed in Israel, like, could you see it from the plane?

[A]

No. No, I don't. I don't know. Like, I don't know what it looks like. No, I don't. Like, I don't even know if it actually looks like a dome. I have no idea.

[B]

So is it. I wonder if it's like an invisible field or something.

[A]

It might be. I mean, they have to have. I mean, because there's the Iron Dome, there's David Sling, which is another technology that they've been making with the U.S. and that is, like, true. One of the true benefits when it comes to Israel in the US Like, I mean, think about if I want to. If I want to do a campaign like this. Open enrollment for America First Healthcare. I am beta testing right now all my ads to prepare for and optimizing my leads and my. My web pages and my funnels or if you're in sales you like, how are you going to know you have a really good sales script that's going to close at a highest percentage? You have to test and fail and test and fail.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, the US is using Israel right now where they're getting all the data and they're. And Trump's been talking about, he's, when he tweets something like, he's pretty specific about it. He's like, I want to create an iron dome. And why? Because I got all the data, I have all the intelligence. Israel sharing everything with us. And I will say, regardless whether you love or hate Israel, Israel is our closest ally when it comes to government. To government. When it comes to being on talking terms. And the. The Mossad and the CIA. And yes, you can hate the Mossad and you can also hate the CIA, but they are in talks and they share all of their intelligence. Intelligence. Which is why I do think a lot of politicians are. And as well, our government, it gives a lot of passes to Israel at times.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. Well, Jordan, it's been awesome. And where can people find you and find America First Healthcare?

[A]

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[B]

Check them out, guys. Peace.

[A]

Later.

[B]

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