"I Regret My Viral Days": YouTuber Tells All | Andrew Hales DSH #952

Summary

Digital Social Hour: "I Regret My Viral Days": YouTuber Tells All | Andrew Hales DSH #952 Release Date: December 5, 2024

In episode #952 of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly sits down with seasoned YouTuber Andrew Hales to delve deep into Andrew's journey through YouTube stardom, personal struggles, and his evolving approach to content creation. This engaging conversation spans a variety of topics, offering listeners a candid look into the highs and lows of life as a content creator.

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1. The Early Days and Viral Success

Andrew opens up about his meteoric rise on YouTube during the early 2010s, sharing insights into what propelled his channel to over a million subscribers within a year.

Andrew Hales [03:23]: "2020 was okay, but 2012 and 13 were my heyday. I blew up to like a million subscribers within a year."

He reminisces about his "prank days," a time when he engaged in various antics that resonated with a broad audience.

Andrew Hales [03:29]: "That was the prank days... I did a lot of little pickup videos."

2. Navigating Cancel Culture and Content Neutrality

Sean and Andrew discuss the challenges of maintaining neutrality in a polarized digital landscape. Andrew emphasizes his commitment to unbiased conversations, striving to keep his interviews as casual and genuine as possible.

Andrew Hales [01:12]: "Neutral, for sure. I'm not really... getting political, but I'm not quite ready yet."

They touch upon the lingering fears of cancel culture, with Andrew noting a slight easing in its intensity.

Andrew Hales [01:28]: "Yeah, there's definitely a pushback, and so that's nice."

3. Personal Struggles and Channel Decline

Andrew candidly shares the reasons behind the downturn of his YouTube channel post-2020. He attributes his struggles to a lack of discipline and excessive partying, which led to a loss of focus.

Andrew Hales [02:45]: "Yeah, that discipline. I was just partying a lot. Just unfocused."

He reflects on the lifestyle changes that followed, including his decision to pursue sobriety.

4. Mental Health, Medication, and Therapy

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around mental health. Andrew discusses his use of Adderall to cope with ADD, detailing its impact on his confidence and productivity.

Andrew Hales [03:55]: "I made a little expose on myself about how I take Adderall... exploring what's ADD and how that makes you feel unstoppable."

He also delves into his experience with ketamine therapy, highlighting its role in alleviating his depression.

Andrew Hales [07:03]: "You feel lighter for the next month or so. It's supposed to build like glutamate in your brain or something. Helps with depression."

5. Health and Wellness Practices

Andrew shares his health regimen, including supplements like Vitamin D and magnesium, and discusses concerns about testosterone levels as he ages.

Andrew Hales [07:30]: "I would love to get on TRT, but I'm worried about getting infertile... I've got to pump out some kids first with Carly."

Both hosts advocate for regular health checks and supplementation to maintain well-being.

6. Sobriety and Addiction Recovery

Andrew proudly announces his sobriety streak of over 400 days, discussing the challenges and realizations that led him to commit to a sober lifestyle.

Andrew Hales [10:08]: "Over 400 days. Just a realization that you got to get going and you gotta take care of yourself."

He credits literature, such as the book Sober on a Drunk Planet, for shifting his perspective on alcohol consumption.

7. Substance Use and Alternatives

The conversation shifts to alternative substances like kratom and vaping. Andrew explains his use of kratom to manage alcohol cravings and his transition from traditional cigarettes to vaping.

Andrew Hales [12:02]: "It's supposed to be a stimulant... a natural opioid in a way."

Andrew Hales [13:07]: "Right now I'm on zins. They keep the demons at bay."

8. Content Evolution and Ethical Dilemmas

Andrew contemplates the future of his content, expressing uncertainty about returning to prank-based videos. He grapples with the ethical implications of pranking strangers and the potential consequences in today's social media climate.

Andrew Hales [14:40]: "I just feel like I'm a little too mature to be filming strangers and, like, exploiting them."

He discusses the delicate balance between creating engaging content and maintaining ethical standards.

9. Podcasting Challenges and Industry Insights

Sean and Andrew analyze the current state of the podcast industry, noting notable acquisitions and the competitive landscape. They address the difficulties in gaining sponsorships and the necessity of innovation to stay relevant.

Sean Kelly [23:48]: "This year alone there's been six acquisitions, over $80 million in the podcast space."

Andrew shares his experiences with fluctuating sponsorships and financial challenges.

Andrew Hales [26:43]: "Sometimes I'll get like three in a row and then I won't get any for a year."

10. Personal Interests and Future Endeavors

The hosts discuss their personal interests outside of content creation, including athletics and running. Andrew reveals his preparation for an upcoming half marathon, while Sean reminisces about his track and field days.

Andrew Hales [29:32]: "I've been running a lot, but I eat, like, so. Yeah. So I still have a dad bod."

They also touch upon the potential for political content, acknowledging its relevance and impact on viewership.

Andrew Hales [36:10]: "Yeah. I just... I just feel like Jon Stewart, you know, Bill Maher... I would rather hang out with them than Tucker or Bill."

11. Closing Thoughts and Future Directions

As the episode winds down, Andrew reflects on his long-standing presence on YouTube and his desire to continue evolving his content. Both hosts express mutual respect and encouragement for each other's endeavors.

Sean Kelly [40:02]: "Thanks for coming on in."

Andrew Hales [40:03]: "Thanks."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• On Partying and Channel Decline:

  Andrew Hales [02:45]: "Yeah, that discipline. I was just partying a lot. Just unfocused."

• On Sobriety:

  Andrew Hales [10:08]: "Over 400 days. Just a realization that you got to get going and you gotta take care of yourself."

• On Ethical Content Creation:

  Andrew Hales [14:40]: "I just feel like I'm a little too mature to be filming strangers and, like, exploiting them."

• On Podcast Industry Competition:

  Sean Kelly [23:48]: "This year alone there's been six acquisitions, over $80 million in the podcast space."

• On Political Content:

  Andrew Hales [36:10]: "Yeah. I just... I just feel like Jon Stewart, you know, Bill Maher... I would rather hang out with them than Tucker or Bill."

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Conclusion

In this heartfelt and introspective episode, Andrew Hales provides a transparent look into the complexities of sustaining a successful YouTube career while managing personal challenges. From grappling with mental health issues and substance use to navigating the ethical landscape of content creation, Andrew's experiences offer valuable lessons for both aspiring and established content creators. Host Sean Kelly facilitates a meaningful dialogue, ensuring that the conversation remains both relatable and insightful for listeners seeking authenticity in the digital age.

Transcript

[A]

Weed is like. I don't know. I. I have to be in the mood for it. I. I don't have a problem with weed. Yeah, it's like a once a month type thing.

[B]

No. I get crippling anxiety, especially edibles.

[A]

You gotta take a tiny bit and then wait, like, two hours. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And then sometimes when you don't feel it, you take more, and that's when it gets sketchy.

[A]

Right? Yeah.

[B]

All right, guys. Andrew Hales. We are in Nashville, Tennessee. This is where you film your show too, right?

[A]

Yep. Nice.

[B]

You interview all walks of life. What have been some recent epis episodes.

[A]

Let's see what the. Day trader. I like going blank right now.

[B]

No, I know. You've done gambler.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Crohn's disease. Transgender.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's over or he's over. In.

[B]

You gotta be tricky with that word these days.

[A]

No, well, yeah, he's over in Leeds, England, or somewhere around there. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Was there some common ground you found on that one?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I try. I always just try to. You know, that's why I call it chatting with. I just try to keep it low key and. Yeah, like, you're like, you're a guy in a bar asking basic questions, you know?

[B]

So do you try to stay neutral on those, or do you feel yourself having some personal bias going into it and then kind of combating their argument?

[A]

Neutral, for sure. I'm not really. I thought about, like, you know, taking a hard stance on things and, like, getting political, but I'm not quite ready yet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you scared of just, I guess, cancel culture still?

[A]

Yeah, definitely.

[B]

I feel like it's not as. As bad as it used to be, though.

[A]

Yeah, there's definitely, like, a pushback, and so that's nice.

[B]

But, yeah, like, I would have never. Because I remember I posted a Trump thing, like, four years ago, and a ton of people hated it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'm more comfortable posting about Trump these days. It's.

[A]

Right. Yeah. Well, YouTube, I feel like, is definitely more pro Trump than most or other platforms, But I really.

[B]

YouTube is.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. Well, I've. I posted, like, left weaning stuff. Like in 2020, I posted something about Black Lives Matter or something. Yeah, I was pretty much for it, and I got a lot of hate for that.

[B]

They got me on that one. I donated to that one.

[A]

Oh, I. What? I didn't have money to donate, but.

[B]

Yeah, no, I fell for that one, though. Not. I wouldn't support that.

[A]

Oh, so you donated then? You Change your mind?

[B]

Well, did you see all the stuff come out after about how, like, some of them were buying houses and stuff?

[A]

Yeah, I heard about that.

[B]

Yeah. So I was like, wow, that's where my money went.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. You got to be careful about pretty much all charities.

[B]

Yeah, so. So you said you didn't have money, though. I thought the YouTube was doing pretty well at that time now.

[A]

Well, 2020 was okay, but now around 2020 is when my channel started to go downhill.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. And I started to struggle.

[B]

So was that due to a lack of, like. Did you feel burnt out?

[A]

Yeah, that discipline. I was just partying a lot.

[B]

You got caught up in the party scene?

[A]

Yeah. Just unfocused. Yeah, well, not even that. I was just, you know, we're. Especially the. Like, I just met this girl and we were just kind of drinking every day for like a month or so.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I remember your. I was watching you in the. Yeah. 18, 19, 20, and you were one of the fastest growing channels, I believe, around that time, right?

[A]

2020. No, no, 2012 and 13 were my heyday. I blew up to like a million subscribers within a year.

[B]

Super fast. Yeah. Like, I saw you at around 100k and then you were at a million.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. That was the prank days.

[B]

Oh, yeah. When I call it the Vitali days.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

And you were walking up to girls on college campus and just doing weird stuff.

[A]

Not just girls, but. Yeah, I did. I did do a lot of, like, little pickup videos.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

I was 12 years younger, but so.

[B]

So did you have a lot of confidence back then?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I kind of. I made a little expose on myself about how I take Adderall, and that would give me kind of some artificial confidence, so.

[B]

Interesting. Adderall.

[A]

Yeah, I. What? I. I titled it Phil King of Awkward, a film about Adderall. And that just. I was just kind of exploring, like, what's ADD and, you know, Adderall in general and how that makes you feel unstoppable, you know?

[B]

Interesting. Are you still taking it?

[A]

Yeah, I take like a low dose extended version of it now.

[B]

Okay. Which is fascinating. So I was prescribed adhd. I don't know the difference with ADD and adhd, but it's similar, right?

[A]

Yeah, I think so.

[B]

They tried putting me on that in, like, fourth grade.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Which is. I feel like it's a little too early.

[A]

Yeah, definitely. I think. I mean, yeah, it's over prescribed for sure.

[B]

I think so, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it sounds like yours was pretty severe, so.

[A]

Yeah, I Don't know, I. I got on it like when I was 21. So what are you, are you taking it now?

[B]

I'm not. I'm actually pretty against most western drugs, so that's probably where we differ.

[A]

All right. Yeah, yeah. You mentioned psilocybin.

[B]

I would rather take psilocybin in the microdose form than Adderall.

[A]

Is it legal or you get it illegally?

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, I been meaning to get that.

[B]

I'd be curious, someone like you that's been on Aderall, like if you would feel it compared to Adderall.

[A]

And it's not scary cuz it's so low.

[B]

No. You won't hallucinate or anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that what scares you about psychedelics?

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

So you've never taken a psychedelic?

[A]

Wow. Well, unless you include Ketamine as a psychedelic.

[B]

Ketamine, it might be. Were you seeing stuff on it?

[A]

No. Well, yeah, if you take enough of it.

[B]

Okay, so it might be one. I don't know. Haven't tried that one. Man.

[A]

Yeah, well, no, it was in a doctor's. It was, like, legal, you know, in the infusions and that whole wave. Yeah.

[B]

So you did the ketamine therapy, right? It's guided, right?

[A]

Yeah. Well, they don't know. You're, They're, You're. They just sit you in a chair and put it and, you know, hook you up, and then you just kind of hallucinate a little bit for like an hour.

[B]

Oh, wow. Any big takeaways from that experience?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you kind of. You feel lighter for the next month or so.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. It's supposed to build, like, glutamate in your brain or something.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Helps with depression. Yeah. It's supposed to be a huge breakthrough. And treating depression.

[B]

So were you dealing with some mental stuff at that time?

[A]

Yeah, I've kind of always, you know, had low energy and, you know, whatever. All melancholy my whole life. Yeah.

[B]

Is that. Have you tested your testosterone levels? Because that could be related.

[A]

Yeah, I've wondered about that, and I would love to get on trt, but I'm worried about getting infertile, and I got to pump out some kids first with Carly.

[B]

That's true. Yeah. It's the game we play as men, right?

[A]

Yeah. Are you on trt?

[B]

I'm not, but I raised my naturally.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

So I was out of 520, which is decent, but you could take these herbal supplements to get you up. It gets harder as you age. So you're 34, you said.

[A]

In more ways than one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or. No, you're right. Yeah. It does decline as you age.

[B]

Right. So you're Starting to drop 1% a year, I believe, around that age.

[A]

Right, Right. No, I. The last time I checked, I, I don't even remember what it was. It was in the, like, low to mid range. Yeah. But, yeah, I, I, I'd love to.

[B]

I'll put you on. Yeah. Shout out to Gary Brca, man.

[A]

Get some gear, dude.

[B]

Those blood tests, I used to be, like, scared of needles and stuff, so I wouldn't take them. And then you think in your 20s, you're just invincible. But that rocked my world, huh? I was very deficient in a lot of things.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Vitamin D was messed up. Vitamin C, white blood cell count.

[A]

Yeah. I definitely notice when I take vitamin D, I feel a lot better.

[B]

Yeah, that's a big one. Because that kind of controls everything.

[A]

Yeah, that and magnesium.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. We're getting older, man. We got to be supplementing.

[A]

No doubt.

[B]

And we're only in our 20s, and 30s. Imagine when we get even.

[A]

Yeah. And we got all this plastic in our blood, which I. I've heard is theorized that that's causing a lot of low T in men.

[B]

Yep. It's in our balls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

100% of balls.

[A]

And the radiation from our cell phones.

[B]

Is another, which is in our pockets right now.

[A]

Right.

[B]

We're just constantly attacking our bodies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I try not to get too lost in it because there's some people that take a little extreme, you know?

[A]

Right. Yeah. You can't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't get too crazy about it.

[B]

Like, there's cold plunging, which is. I don't know.

[A]

I do that. I love that.

[B]

Oh, you do it.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

What temperature?

[A]

I. I try to get it to 45.

[B]

Dude, that's cold.

[A]

It is. Yeah. It's hard.

[B]

How long are you in first?

[A]

The first minutes, like agony, agonizing. But then. But then the next. Like, five minutes are fine. And then you get out and you feel great.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, there's some upstairs, so I might have to try it after this.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

I just went on the roof. There's two tubs up there, and they're already cold. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, we should have did that before this.

[B]

That would have been cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We would have been amped up.

[A]

That honestly, works better for me than taking a monster.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. It really, like, triggers, like, a bunch of chemicals and.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Have you never done it?

[B]

I've done a cold shower, but that's probably nothing close.

[A]

I don't like showers because it's, like, constantly cold in one area, you know, but then the plunge, you can. And it's more relaxing and all at once.

[B]

That makes sense. Yeah. So Sober for over 300 days now. Yeah.

[A]

Over 400 days.

[B]

400 days, yeah.

[A]

Wow. Feel great about that.

[B]

Is that the longest you've gone since you're.

[A]

Since I was 19, yeah. Wow.

[B]

So congrats, man. That's big.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Did you have to go to, like, a rehab spot for that?

[A]

No, it's just, you know, after trial and error, it's probably like the thousandth, thousandth time that I tried to go sober. And damn, you know, you mess up and mess up and mess up, and then it finally stuck.

[B]

So what do you think about this time that made it click? Is there a specific reason you think?

[A]

Not really. Just kind of just a realization that you got to get going and you gotta take care of yourself. And I did read some books that helped change my mind about it and helped me, like, change my paradigm of Alcohol. I think it's called Sober on a Drunk Planet. I forgot the author, but that was really good.

[B]

Sober on a Drunk Planet. What a name for a book.

[A]

Yeah, well, it's true. It's like, the hardest. It's because it's everywhere, you know, and everyone. You know, it's the one drug that you have to explain to people why you don't, you know.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. You know, because it's. Everyone pressures you to drink, you know? Don't you feel like that?

[B]

Yeah. I'm sober right now, but there's definitely wherever you go, like, alcohol is there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's everywhere for sure.

[A]

How long you sober before?

[B]

Well, I say sober, but, like, I'll have a drink, but I won't get drunk, so I haven't been drunk in six years.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

And I used to get drunk like four or five times a week in college.

[A]

See? Yeah, I. I mean, I. I never understood the point of just having one drink.

[B]

You know, I do it to socialize. It loosens me up a little bit. But. Yeah, I'm not a fan of just drinking in general, to be honest.

[A]

Well, that's good.

[B]

I feel like the reward to risk ratio isn't really there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, you're damaging your body and trying to fit in with people. That.

[A]

Yeah. And. Well, one monkey that is on my back, though, is Kratom. You heard of that?

[B]

I have. What does that do?

[A]

It just makes you feel good.

[B]

Is it. Is it like an upper.

[A]

It's. It's. Supposedly. It's technically a stimulant, but it. Yeah, it's this green powder. You. You swish it in a tea and you drink it, and it's kind of like a. A natural opioid in a way.

[B]

Okay, so you're taking that?

[A]

Yeah, I've been taking that the last, like, year. And that. That helped a lot, weaning off alcohol because when I went all get an urge to drink. I'll just get that.

[B]

Yeah, I've seen it sold at, like, gas stations. Right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's sketchy. You can get it at smoke shops or online. And, like, the legality of it is a little gray. And it's. It's banned in some states.

[B]

It's like cbd. None.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's. There's a lot of similarities to weed, but it doesn't feel like weed.

[B]

But it's.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Have you tried this nicotine wave out? These sins are everywhere, man.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I. Well, it kind of goes like cigarettes and then you tapered to vaping and then vaping the zins and then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And right now I'm on zins.

[B]

How was that? I haven't tried it.

[A]

They're. They're fine. They keep the demons at bay.

[B]

You know, I actually heard nicotine isn't, like, as bad as you think for you.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. So the part of the cigarette that's. That's not good is the stuff they add. It's not the nicotine. That's what I've heard, at least.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I know zins are. They're probably better than vaping, at least for your lungs.

[B]

Oh, sure.

[A]

So, yeah. You have a nicotine addiction?

[B]

No. My dad used to chew those yellow nicotine squares and I thought they were disgusting growing up, but no, the vape pens, man, I used to smoke those in college and that was messing me up. Yeah, there's a lot of things.

[A]

Yeah. Gen Z vapings took hold of Gen Z, you know?

[B]

It's bad. Yeah, it's real bad.

[A]

I have a lot of know Zoomer friends, and they're always vaping.

[B]

Yeah. So do you like weed or. Or cigarettes more? Tobacco more?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Weed.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. But I. Weed is like. I don't know. I. I have to be in the mood for it. I. I don't have a problem with weed. Yeah.

[B]

I get anxiety off it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I. It's like a once a month type thing, you know?

[B]

No, I get crippling anxiety, especially edibles.

[A]

Oh. Yeah.

[B]

I feel like I'm dying.

[A]

No, edibles. You got to be. You got to take a tiny bit and then wait, like two hours. Yeah.

[B]

Then sometimes when you don't feel it, you take more, and that's when it gets sketchy.

[A]

Right? Yeah. And it's. It sucks if you take too much and you're just violently high.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[A]

There's nothing worse than that.

[B]

Do you see pranks ever making a comeback? You. You see yourself ever doing that type of content again?

[A]

Yeah, I've thought about it, you know, just for the views to, you know, bring in some cash, but it's. I don't know. I. It's. Part of me feels like the wave is over, and it's like. I just. It's not really. I feel like it's almost impossible to make good content that way. But the other part of me is like, nah, that's just in my head.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. I don't know.

[B]

I love the honesty. Well, I guess you won't truly know until you. You Try it. And now live streaming is pretty hot, and people are doing some weird pranks on those.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And then I, like, you know, I'll get all philosophical. I'm like, oh, is this wrong? Like, And I'll get in my head so much like, oh, I shouldn't be filming people, you know? And I. And I just don't want to. I'm just. At the end of the day, I just feel like I'm a little too mature to be filming strangers and, like, exploiting them. But then I. Then I kind of wake up the next day, and I'm like, oh, maybe I'm just. That's. They don't care, you know?

[B]

So you got that moral dilemma. It's interesting you say that because, Gideon, I'm not sure if you followed what happened with him, but one of the biggest pranksters of recent era. Have you seen his stuff?

[A]

I'm not sure. I don't think so.

[B]

Okay. He was a big live streamer.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Became one of the biggest pranksters and then went through this whole moral dilemma where he quit pranking overnight, became super religious.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Started reading the Bible on stream and stuff. But that only. No, it's crazy. You should look it up. But then that only lasted a certain amount of time, and now he's back to pranking interest, but doing it more in a ethical way, I guess, because before some of his pranks would get people fired.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Like, he would fake being an employee.

[A]

I would feel really bad about that.

[B]

And then, like, he faked being employed at Target, and then some guys got fired or something.

[A]

Interesting. Yeah, you definitely. I mean, some of them, you kind of have to be a sociopath, you know, and just not have feelings for other people when you're doing it.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Yeah. There is, like, some. There are some certain prank ideas where it's. It's pretty much harmless.

[B]

So any pranks you regret that you still think about?

[A]

Probably. Yeah. Any. Any, like the trying to kiss girls where I would just, like, awkwardly. In the library. I would, like, kind of walk, and then, you know, you make eye contact and you're. And then you slowly lean towards them, and then they. What are you doing? And so that's. I wouldn't. I wouldn't ever do anything like that.

[B]

Now, because I'd get you canceled now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'd get you a charge probably these days.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I'm surprised no one called the cops on you back then.

[A]

I know. I don't know.

[B]

You're one of those pranksters that's Never been arrested. I feel like all those guys got arrested back in the day.

[A]

Yeah. I did get kicked off BYU after, like, the 10th or 20th prank. Then, like, UVU a little bit, but.

[B]

BYU must have been saying all the Mormons there. And you grew up Mormon, right?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So you were probably used to that, but that. That always interests me, the Mormon culture.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. You. You know any Mormon friends?

[B]

I do. I'm actually really close friends with a few of them.

[A]

Cool. Yeah, I. I haven't really been active since I was. Since I moved out, so.

[B]

Really? So you kind of left it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It is interesting to see some of them get really wrapped up in that lifestyle.

[A]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Like, about half my friends and family are Mormon, so I don't. I try not to. You know, you hate the. The belief, not the believer, you know, so.

[B]

Right. Because they think they're doing the right thing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's not them.

[A]

Yeah. Everyone kind of has their own little religions, you know? Like, NoFap is kind of something I'm. I'm into, but.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, a lot of people kind of think is a little loony, you know?

[B]

I like no porn. I'm a believer in that.

[A]

All right. Yeah, that's good.

[B]

No faps. Like, the next level, though. So how long you've been practicing that, or do you go through periods where you're doing it?

[A]

Yeah, no, I usually. I. I don't go more than a couple weeks, so I know. I'm definitely not. I just know that, like, it. So, like, in preparation for a video or something important. I. I won't. I'll abstain from.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Porn. Masturbation for leading up to it for at least, like, five days.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

That'll give me, like, an extra aura. But that's. It could be all in my head.

[B]

Could be. Yeah. Some fighters practice it, though, so there's. There's something there. Like boxers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I like that, though.

[A]

Yeah. Muhammad Ali, I think, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He wouldn't have sex and all that before a fight. And Mike Tyson, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Quoted saying something like that. So.

[B]

Yeah, there's something there. I've seen one video where it's like, no fap for a year. I'm like, all right, that's a little. That's a little extreme, you know?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's. It's hard to tell because it's like sometimes you. You. You release and you feel, like, a lot better because then you got that clarity, you know, And.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's.

[B]

I don't know, sometimes you release. You feel like, though.

[A]

Right. So it's like, I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder if someone could solve that problem. What's causing that, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because that's the worst. Like, when you feel like after.

[A]

Yeah. You kind of just. Yeah. You're definitely less motivated.

[B]

Yeah. You got any guests booked for the Chatting with series that you're interested or excited about coming up?

[A]

Yeah, right now I got, like, guy with Tourette's I'm gonna talk to soon. It's another guy. I got a bunch. Yeah. A guy with bipolar one. Should be good. This girl that's like a dating coach for the last 10 years.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. You know, we're chugging along.

[B]

What's your kind of goal with this? Like, are you just genuinely interested in these lifestyles?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, the. The interviews are. They're easy and, you know, podcasts are really hot right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, I mean, if they don't really pick up right now, it's not really doing that well. Like, 10, 20k views each, you know, and if they don't pick up in, like, the next month or just two or whatever, I'll probably start vlogging again or something.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Or.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Something different. Yeah.

[B]

Your angle interests me because you could have had on all your friends, all your celebrities, and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did the normal route, but you and Tosh Point zero went a different route. I forget his name, but where you just interview, like, ordinary people.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. The Avon.

[B]

No, Tosh Point Zero.

[A]

Right. But the Ovon also has, like, ordinary people, too.

[B]

Well, he has on celebrities, too.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But, yeah, he's. He's had on some ordinary people.

[A]

Yeah. In my opinion, like, celebrities are. You know, I. When I first did the chatting list, I had, like, a bunch of big YouTubers and friends, and I, I. I don't know, really. I don't know what to ask them. It's like, I don't know. It's harder to keep my attention because I. I don't know. I don't really. It's like I kind of feel like I have them figured out, you know?

[B]

Plus, they're at a higher risk fitting canceled, so they won't be as honest, from my experience at least, because I've had on some. Some notable people, and it doesn't feel as authentic with them generally.

[A]

Yeah, it's a little more sterile.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the game you got to play.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Because when you go to a list, I mean, they're giving robotic answers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It sucks.

[A]

You know who's the biggest guest you.

[B]

Had in terms of fame?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Because I've had on people you've never heard of that get millions of views. But in terms of fame, I'd say Howie Mendel. He's probably the number one guy.

[A]

Yeah. His son, I know, was a big YouTuber.

[B]

Oh, yeah, for a little bit.

[A]

I don't know what he's doing now, but yeah, I. What's funny is you heard of Tim Ferriss?

[B]

Yeah. You met him, right?

[A]

Yeah, I interviewed him. Like, really three, four years before I ever started doing the interviews.

[B]

Whoa, that must have been a really.

[A]

I thought about, like bringing it up and just reposting it as a. Chatting with.

[B]

You should.

[A]

Yeah, it's only. It's only audio, though, so.

[B]

Oh, what?

[A]

Yeah, and I just did it with my phone in. On the side of the street in San Francisco.

[B]

Oh, you ran into him?

[A]

No, we. We. We just. We met up to do a video and we did like hugging people in the park or something. And then I just. As a bonus, I just interviewed him for like 20 minutes, I think.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

With my phone.

[B]

Dude, that's a legend right there.

[A]

Yeah. And it's. It's just ironic because he's like the biggest. Has probably the most prestigious guest I've ever. Or person I've ever met.

[B]

And so he's up there, man. He's probably top five or top ten show of all time, I'd say. Yeah, I used to watch all his episodes, but.

[A]

No, I love the book.

[B]

Yeah, his book's great. Some of his episodes are too smart for me. Yeah, I can't even understand it.

[A]

No, he gets. He gets very analytical.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. What shows are you watching and studying right now?

[A]

Not much. Lately I've been kind of just watching. Just been listening to Theo Vaughn's podcast a lot. Smartless. What else? I'll listen to Books on Tape while I play video games. Yeah, They'll Kill Tony is a big one.

[B]

I just started that one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I listened to Theo. I just saw his with Trump. Yeah, I was interesting.

[A]

That blew up. That got like 10 million views a few days.

[B]

I'm telling you, man, I'm excited about future podcasts. Did you know this year alone there's been six acquisitions, over $80 million in the podcast space?

[A]

That's insane. Yeah, man.

[B]

I think Theo is probably going to be next and I think like Spotify.

[A]

Picks them up or something.

[B]

Spotify series xm. There's one other company, Smart List. The show you watch got acquired for 100 million.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

This year.

[A]

So like syndication rights or.

[B]

Yeah, I think the way it works from what I've seen because Rogan sold this year for 250, is they take all the money from the sponsors and they use that to recoup their money that they pay you.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So they're seeing it as like an investment that they'll make back over time.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because these shows are making a ton of sponsors. I don't know their exact numbers, but yeah, I'd assume millions every year they're making back crazy. So they could put up 50 million for Theo Bond show and make that back in however long.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's my goal. At least.

[A]

It's super competitive.

[B]

Very.

[A]

Feels like everyone has a podcast now.

[B]

Everyone does, but the 1% are just way ahead of everyone. It's really hard to catch up to the top shows.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like super hard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, there's so many podcasts, but not a lot of them get views.

[A]

Right. It's. Yeah. Super hard.

[B]

Is that a goal for you to sell your show one day?

[A]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Obviously that'd be great. But I don't know, I've always kind of just done my own thing and like, doing my own thing. But yeah, I gotta, I gotta sit down and write and, you know, focus more. Do you meditate?

[B]

I depends.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not the traditional sense of sitting there and almaying and chanting, but forms.

[A]

It sounds like you, you know, you made a big paycheck with the crypto.

[B]

Made a lot in crypto. And then I sold my crypto company.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I'm in a weird spot where I could have retired at 25.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was depressing. Like, this is going to sound weird, but I had so much money and like, didn't know what to do.

[A]

Yeah, no, I've. I've been in that position, not too much money, but where you're totally comfortable and don't have to do it. You have no obligations every day and you're just watching movies and.

[B]

No, literally I would sleep like 10, 11 hours, wake up like kind of like a zombie.

[A]

Yeah. Were you smoking weed or anything?

[B]

Yeah, I think I was hitting pens at the time, but dude, it was weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, money won't fix everything.

[A]

Yeah, that's a big point. Tim Ferriss makes in four hour work week that retirement's a myth. You gotta, you gotta always be doing something.

[B]

Well, now they're doing studies on retirement brain scans and dude, people are dropping way earlier.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Like, when you retire, you're like, you're.

[A]

Like, they get sad.

[B]

Yeah, they get sad and they pass away younger than people that keep working and have purpose.

[A]

Nice. Yeah.

[B]

So I don't think I'll ever stop as long as I genuinely enjoy what I'm doing, which right now I do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Podcasting is fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Meet some cool people, learn a lot, man. And there's not many other professions where I'm as passionate about podcasting, I'd say.

[A]

And you're getting sponsors now, right?

[B]

Yeah, just got DraftKings. Shout out to DraftKings, Babel LinkedIn.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Took a while, though, man. Took a while to get sponsors. Was it like that for you?

[A]

I don't know. It depends. Sometimes I'll. I'll get like. I'll get like three in a row and then I won't get any for a year.

[B]

That happened to me. So, yeah, there was a few months this year where I wasn't getting any. I actually lost money some months. Yeah, I lost money the first six months and then I thought I'd be set the rest of the way, but it was one or two months this month where I was taking some fat Ls, dude, fat Ls, like 30 kls.

[A]

Well, yeah, that's show biz. What, you're not messing with crypto at all now?

[B]

I still have a ton, but I'm down pretty bad right now.

[A]

But I like it like the market is down.

[B]

You mean market's down? Yeah. As we're filming this, Ethereum's at like almost 2000 and Bitcoin's at 50, so that's considered down from the peak.

[A]

You got most of it in bitcoin?

[B]

Ethereum.

[A]

Ethereum. Why Ethereum?

[B]

I had a lot of bitcoin. I sold it to buy a house just now. But I like both. No really preference, you know, But I feel like with Ethereum you can still 3 to 5x. Bitcoin's kind of high.

[A]

You think people are going to be using that instead of money in the future?

[B]

They already are. I mean, I have so many crypto nerd friends that buy watches, houses, anything you can think of with crypto, I.

[A]

Guess, besides the super rich, I mean.

[B]

Oh, just casually. Yeah, it's going to be tough. The reason is because banks hate it. So, like, my Chase account got banned just because I was in the crypto space. And credit card companies hate it because. Let's say you buy $1,000 of Bitcoin and it goes down 20%, you're gonna file a chargeback on that credit card, right? And it's gonna put the credit card company out of business, so they hate crypto.

[A]

Yeah. It's so volatile.

[B]

Yeah. So I don't think I'll ever be casual because of that.

[A]

Yeah. Like a casual currency.

[B]

Nah, that's why the dollar is casual. Like, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even though that's a whole nother podcast with the value of the dollar going down.

[A]

Yeah. Sorry, I don't mean to. I'll let you ask questions.

[B]

No, you're good. When I go on other shows, I ask the host questions, too. It's like a natural thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you. Do you like being the host more of the guest.

[A]

Oh, host. Probably same. Yeah. I like having control, you know, 100%.

[B]

Yeah. I turned down most shows, to be honest.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Well, I mean. Yes. I mean, I. It's not. I don't get asked that much, so it's like, I'll say yes now because it's like, once a year, you know.

[B]

Oh, that's it.

[A]

Yeah. Well, yeah, Once or twice a year. Yeah.

[B]

I got asked a lot, but it's usually smaller shows and it's the same question, so it's like, you know, am I gonna tell my.

[A]

I'm impressed. Yeah. You haven't been asking, like, the usual questions.

[B]

That's what I try to do with the show, because you got to stand out, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I hate when they're, like, describing your life story, like.

[A]

So how'd you get started?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

[B]

So basic. Are you still preparing for. For a half marathon? So you made a video about that?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's in late October. I've been running a lot, but I eat, like, so. Yeah. So I still have a dad bod.

[B]

But here, everything's fried, right?

[A]

Yeah, there's a lot of fried stuff here. Barbecue stuff. But I've been. Yeah, I've been running, like, usually, like two or three miles every day, sometimes more.

[B]

Oh, wow. Well, a half marathon is 13.1. Right.

[A]

Yeah. I gotta start ramping it up.

[B]

Okay. So if you can run the whole way without walking, that'll be a win for you.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. I feel like I could, but it would make me sore for the next week.

[B]

Yeah. Marathon's on my goal, my bucket list. Goal.

[A]

Yeah. You've done any races?

[B]

I used to be a runner. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

I was a speedster, dude.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like. What was your main race?

[B]

Mile and 800.

[A]

What's your mile time?

[B]

4 or 40.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, I was pretty good.

[A]

That's a.

[B]

And I was eating, like, Back then. So if I took it serious these days, I could probably run a 420.

[A]

You still run every day?

[B]

No, man, I do basketball now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Running is a very mentally exhausting sport.

[A]

Ah.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Yeah. Cuz I do feel after running I. I'm like, I'm expecting that I'll get all this work done. Cuz it's like I. I've got all these endorphins now, but.

[B]

Yeah, it's the opposite, Right?

[A]

A little bit. Yeah. Like my. My willpower though is down.

[B]

So it's tough, man. Plus it's. So when you get to a high level, you're spending so much time. Because to run 13 miles would probably take you three hours.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So, yeah, you got to dedicate that daily. It gets pretty time intensive.

[A]

Yeah. 454, that was like in high school.

[B]

440. Yeah, in high school. And then my half mile was 159. That was my main event.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So, yeah, I could have went D1 for running if I wanted to.

[A]

Man, that's agonizing. That last stretch, it's like your whole body's on fire. Yeah, I did a little bit of track in high school, but it was mostly just long jump and 100 meter.

[B]

Oh, yeah. What was your hundred?

[A]

Oh, I don't even remember. It was like. I don't. I have no idea. 11 seconds.

[B]

You were a sprinter, so you were muscular.

[A]

Yeah, but it was only like in sophomore in high school or something.

[B]

Oh, okay. I had on the fastest 100 meter runner in the world.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah. Or not the world. The U.S. my bad.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Usain Bolt's the best.

[A]

You were the fastest 100 meter high schooler in.

[B]

In the world. Like he was an Olympian. Gold medal.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Justin Gatlin was his name. Damn, that was a fun episode.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Ten seconds, man. Or nine. Seven was his hundred.

[A]

Nine. Seven.

[B]

Which is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. They're all in the nine range now.

[B]

These days. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you're not under 10 these days.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Man, being an athlete, especially these days of social media, just ridiculing you off a poor performance. Performance, you got to be really tough to be an athlete. I feel like.

[A]

Did he talk about steroids?

[B]

No, I didn't ask him that because it was touchy. Yeah, he got banned for a few years.

[A]

Oh, he did?

[B]

Yeah. So I didn't want to.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Certain. Guess if you push the wrong buttons, you know, I haven't had anyone walk off yet, but yeah, apparently every host has to deal with that.

[A]

Do you send the episodes for approval to people after. That's what I do for chattings. Because I, you know, I don't want to step on anyone.

[B]

Some people ask but I'm, I don't go out of my way and send it to them.

[A]

No. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Has anyone asked for them to been taken down after the fact?

[B]

So I know that's happened to you. It hasn't happened to me yet.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Cuz I'm not really trying to get gotcha moments.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like certain hosts are like, oh, let's talk about your ex girlfriend or something. I don't find purpose in that.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like a lot of British journalists are that way.

[B]

Yeah, I know who you're talking about.

[A]

Are you, are you on all the. Yeah, like the guy with Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Such an. What are you. You're on all the platforms now.

[B]

Just got banned on Tick Tock. But yeah. I did an interview with Tulsi Gabbard.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She's like a politician on the right wing. Space.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Just joined Trump's team and that one.

[A]

Got me banned because it was right wing.

[B]

Yeah. Well they tell you which clip got flagged and it was about talking about the deep state, so.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. Conspiracies.

[B]

Conspiracies. Yeah, you gotta be careful with those.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Moon landing, Earth is flat. You believe in any conspiracies?

[A]

Not really. I think level headed. Yeah. I think basic stuff like big, Big Pharma is, you know, pushing doctors to. I don't know. Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to get you canceled here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So some of them are, are interesting, I'll say that.

[A]

Yeah. No, I, I, I had a flat earther. It's one of my best episodes. Chatting with.

[B]

Yeah, same with me. That's one of my most viewed clips.

[A]

Yeah. People go crazy about that stuff.

[B]

They go nuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I don't know, they can't believe.

[A]

That they, this person believes that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's the game I have to play. Like I have to promote crazy stuff like that to get views. So that's the moral dilemma I have with it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because if I don't do that, I won't get as many views.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm sure you deal with that too, right?

[A]

Yep, yep. It's, there's a, there's a balance.

[B]

Yeah. And that kind of limits my guest pool because certain guests get offended by certain guests I've had on. So they won't come on.

[A]

Interesting. Yeah, man. So it kind of sucks or what was I gonna say? You had any Guests on that you, like, your. Your manager had on, and you were like, why is he. And that you didn't want to have on.

[B]

Oh, that I didn't want to have.

[A]

On that, like, you. That your manager got without, like.

[B]

Yeah. There's been a couple on the spot where I've been like, this can be weird, but I think you can learn something from pretty much everyone, you know? Like, I'm about to have Tate on.

[A]

And that's going to be big.

[B]

It's going to be big. But that will limit certain future guests. So I have to play that game. Like, okay. People won't come on because I've had them on.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So. Yeah, it's whatever, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's enough people in the world to have on.

[A]

Would you say you're more right wing?

[B]

Yeah, these days. But I grew up super left Democrat in New Jersey, and you were in Cali, so I'm assuming you grew up pretty left too, right?

[A]

No, my. You know, my dad's a really conservative.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah, I grew up pretty right up until. Yeah. And then I. Then I went left as I got older. Yeah.

[B]

I've never heard a right going to left.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, LA kind of just rubbed off on me, I guess. I lived there for six years.

[B]

Okay, so you're still left right now, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're gonna vote for Kamala?

[A]

I mean, that's a yes. I don't. I don't usually vote.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Because it's like. I don't know. I wish there was. They made it. I wish you didn't have to mail it in or go somewhere, you know.

[B]

It is a tedious process.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, I don't.

[A]

I know. I should vote. Yeah.

[B]

I haven't ever voted.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But since I'm in a swing state now, I might. I'm in Nevada, so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Jersey used to always be left, so I didn't see a point.

[A]

I thought Nevada was, like, totally right.

[B]

No, I was left in 2020. Voted for Biden.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Nashville's right, though, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're like an outlier out here.

[A]

A little bit. Yeah.

[B]

So you probably don't even touch on it out here.

[A]

No. But, yeah, I thought about getting political with, like, my street interviews, like, people on abortion, etc.

[B]

I think you should. The reason being is it's hot right now. It's getting a ton of views, and it's important.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think we should be having these conversations.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Well, yeah, I'll. I'll take that into consideration.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, look at all the top shows right now. They're touching on politics or they're super political.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Patrick? Bet, David. Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Candace is out here.

[A]

I heard my channel's like at such a low point. It's like I don't really have much to lose anyway.

[B]

Yeah. So that's how I feel. If you're not constantly doing something new. Like my. Everyone's views are down right now.

[A]

Yeah. Well, especially on YouTube.

[B]

Yeah. I'm down 70% on Instagram.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

I used to get 40 million accounts reached a month.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. And then I had Sneako on Yeah, yeah.

[A]

The right streamer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've been screwed since.

[A]

So wait, he's right wing?

[B]

I don't know what he is, but he's just a little extreme. He's been banned everywhere.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We have glasses on.

[B]

He might. He didn't on the podcast.

[A]

I might be thinking of something. Someone else.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know if that's okay.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Would you have on just about anyone on your, your show though, like, if they were super right wing, would you be willing to talk to them?

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

Like Alex Jones.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so you're down to have the dialogue.

[A]

Yeah, I'm very open minded and I, you know, I'm not. I wouldn't say I'm like really left, but I just in general, just a casual Democrat. Yeah.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I just feel like Jon Stewart, you know, Bill Maher. Yeah, Bill Maher. All these guys are. They just seem way smarter.

[B]

Smarter than who? Are you comparing them to?

[A]

Joe Rogan? Bill O'Reilly? The. What was the guy. What's the other guy's name?

[B]

Tucker.

[A]

Tucker. Yes. Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson. Yes. I don't know. They. Yeah, they just seem cooler, you know.

[B]

Well, Tucker is right wing.

[A]

Like I'm definitely not an intellectual and it's above my pay grade, but I just would rather hang out with them than that than Tucker or Bill, you know.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, wow. What an interest. No, I'm so fascinated because on my podcast it's the opposite.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

I've had on mainly right wing guys. I try to have on people on the left, but they don't seem as open to. Come on, dude.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

Do you find that too?

[A]

I, I mean, this is honestly like the first time ever that I've really talked about politics. The longest I've ever talked. Yeah, the most.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, I've had Marianne Williamson on the show, but that's about it.

[A]

Yeah, she's She's. She's kind of like a female Bernie.

[B]

I actually liked her a lot.

[A]

I was cool.

[B]

Yeah. Other than the vaccine stuff, I agreed on a lot with her. I don't want to mention that word. Get the podcast deleted.

[A]

All right.

[B]

But, dude, it's been fun. I mean, I'm gonna keep up with you. I hope you can revive this thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The fact that you've been around this long, though, is impressive. There's not many of you guys still.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Making videos for 10 plus years.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like if you get burned out, just take a break and then come back to it.

[B]

Absolutely. We'll link your stuff below. Thanks for coming on in.

[A]

Of course, man. Thanks.

[B]

Thanks for watching, guys, as always. See you next time.

[A]

It.