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Jacob Hackworth: From the Railroad to a No. 1 Hit in Nashville | DSH #1730
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When I quit, they were like, you should really try. Try it out. So I did. Started a little band, played some shows, and my mom introduced me to a guy that lived here in town that she went to school with. He hit me up and was like, hey, man, if you want to do this, let me come watch a show. And he came watch a show, and he was like, well, come to Nashville and write for a weekend, and we'll figure out the song side of stuff. And I was like, all right, cool. And I came here one time, and I was like, I'm moving.
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Wow. You liked it that much?
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Yeah. Well, I mean, it was such a different thing. I lived, you know, same thing every day, slow. And don't get me wrong, I loved it. But, yeah, we came here, I was like, holy, this place is wild as hell. Yeah, anything could happen here. Do it.
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B
Okay, guys, Jacob Hacksworth here in Nashville. Welcome, man.
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A
Yeah, man.
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B
Welcome to the show.
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A
Thanks for having me on.
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B
Yeah. How long you been out here?
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A
I moved, like, right at the end of 2019, so, like, August of 2019, so a little over five years.
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B
So you spent Covid years here?
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A
Yeah, I did. It was. It was interesting. I just moved. So I was, like, just now getting around. I got a job at a bar. Bar down the street. And I was kind of like, all right, this is going to be nice. And then everything happened. They fired everyone. I was like, okay, I might have made the wrong move here, but we stuck it out. It worked out so nice.
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B
Were you bouncing at bars before that?
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A
What was that?
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B
Were you bouncing at bars?
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Like, just. I was. I was actually bar backing, so I was just running beer, and. And I started down here and then went to Broadway, worked there for a little bit, and then when everything happened, they let us all go, as they did everyone else, I feel like. And I went home to Missouri. I'm from Missouri. So I went back for, like, three months. We kept our place here, me and my roommates, and we kind of just stuck it out and figured it out, and everything kind of started picking back up here, and we just were like, well, not too bad. Let's go back. Nice came back, and it actually changed a lot. I feel like, through that, because everyone was here, so it kept everyone in town. No one was on tour. You know, everyone was pretty much just running around. So I got to hang out with a lot of people, met a lot of people, made a lot of connections. So it was actually. It was actually a really cool moment for me, as bad as it all was.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But it was. Yeah, it was great.
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B
Is that when the music started happening?
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Yeah, like, we. We moved, and I'd been, like, writing and, like, kind of trying to find a niche in town where I could, you know, kind of lock in. And right when all that happened, you know, when we came back, the friend group that I had made was all hanging out a bunch, and we were kind of right in the middle of just a big group of a bunch of music people. And so I just got to know everybody, and then it really kind of kicked off there. I got to know a good friend of mine. His name's Heath Warren. He's a big songwriter here.
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B
Yeah.
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And he. He actually. I got a job with Amazon, and he was like, man, you can't work for Amazon and ride every day. He's like, so I'll get you a job on this boat that I work for. And we worked on a party boat. And while we were working there, that's when we rode our first hit.
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B
Oh, that's cool. There's party boats out here.
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Yeah, there's, like, party barges on the. There's some on the lakes.
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B
Okay.
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But there's one on the. On the Cumberland river that picks people up, like, right at, like, the end of Broadway. It's called the Pontine Saloon. Yeah, so it was.
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B
That was the one you were on.
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Yeah, DJ it and like, DJ it and bartend all at the same time. And just. He had 40 people on there, and he just got everybody, like, having a good time and played music and. Yeah, got him off. That was it.
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B
That's a good experience to see, like, what songs people like and.
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Yeah, I mean, it was all such a weird thing. Like, it all just kind of like, I just, like, slowly just got into, like a. Just everything music. So it's pretty cool.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah, it was a good deal.
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B
And then how long after that did the first song come out?
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So we. That was in. So 2020 is when, you know, I got to really start hanging out with these guys. And then the start of 21 was when I got the job on the boat.
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B
Okay.
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With Heath. And about the middle of 21. Like, I forget what month, but that's when we wrote it and then it came out and in 22.
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B
Oh, so a year after.
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Yep.
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B
Damn.
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Yep. Came out in 22 with Bailey Zimmerman. He. He cut a song that we wrote with our buddy Jet Harvey, and it's called Rocking Hard Place. And it came out in the middle of 22 and just boomed.
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B
Six weeks at number one.
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Six weeks.
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B
And that was Your first release ever?
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That was my first. Like, that was my first major label cut.
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B
Wow.
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So, like, that was the first song that someone with a record deal cut and put out, like, the whole big swing.
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B
How shocked were you that it just.
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Dude, I was. I didn't know how it all worked still, like, I was still pretty green. So I'm like, you know, texting Heath and we're all just kind of like chatting around, like, what's going on? And he's just like, man, it's going to be crazy. Like, this is already. It blew up on social media, blew up on TikTok. And so we were just kind of like, oh, shit. You know, just kind of hanging on by thread and just kind of like, okay, well, keep us in keeping. Keep us in the loop, you know, and then slowly just did its thing and we all signed publishing deals and started writing songs professionally.
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B
Damn. That's nuts. There's a lot of people trying to make it music.
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Yeah. Especially here, you know, there's. There's a ton of people and there's a ton of amazing songwriters. So, yeah, for, you know, for something to cut through and. And happen like that, it was pretty special.
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B
Yeah. It's competitive out here. Even the airport, when I land, it's live music.
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A
It's crazy.
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B
No other airport has that.
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No, it's. As soon as you get here, it's. It's. It's full of it. And that's. I think that's what makes it so special.
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B
Yeah.
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So it also helps, you know.
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B
Absolutely.
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The. The. What is it the drive, you know, to go chase it.
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B
Yeah. There's a lot of talent. Do you think what separates people is the connections?
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I think so. Like, that was a big thing. You know, we. I really focused on, you know, being. Being out and like, being down here because, you know, all these bars are like, you know, constantly doing writers rounds is like, where, you know, songwriters can come and play their songs that don't have deals that don'. Like cuts.
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B
That's cool.
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And so, you know, being out and around and being in, you know, the circle of things down here is I think, you know, did a huge number on my career.
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For sure. That was smart that you went the networking route. I think some people kind of lock themselves away, but you also need to get out there for sure.
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I feel like that's in everything, you know, like, the more that you're, you know, in the. The know of things and like, people at least see your name or hear something, you know, that's an important part yeah.
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B
So big change from Missouri, man.
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Yeah, dude, a huge change. I moved here and we were like, oh, what are we going to do? I was like, I got to drive 25 minutes to go five miles. You know, not even. But yeah, it was. It was a big change, but we fell in love with it. The bars helped.
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B
Yeah.
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A lot of drinking, but, I mean, it was fun. Do we have. Chasing something and having fun while you're doing it is. Is. Makes it a little easier, I guess.
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B
How many bars have you been kicked out of?
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Dude, don't do this to me. But, I mean, I don't know. Honestly. A couple. A couple. I know we just talked about it, but yeah, a couple. Nothing for anything bad. Just.
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B
You're not an angry drunk?
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No, no, no. Just.
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Are you a teddy bear drunk? You get all touchy. Touchy?
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I'm just goofy as shit. Yeah, I think. I think, you know, I might have, like, took my shirt off and lit a cigarette in. In a bar and got kicked out or. I think that was one of them. And then I. Yeah, you go hard, man. I mean, yeah, we're having fun, dude. We're having fun. We're never, you know, never, you know, malicious or anything, you know, mean. It's just being stupid. Yeah, yeah.
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B
Because you thought you were gonna work on a railroad your whole life, right?
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A
That was. Yeah, yeah, that was like. That was the thing, you know, being out here and, like, getting to actually chase a dream and like, we were doing something that, you know, and never thought, like, I was doing something I never thought that I'd actually get to do. So being out here, I mean, it was. It was awesome. But. Yeah, I mean, I worked right out of high school, went straight to the railroad. That's just what everyone does where I'm from, you know, it's. You can either get a, you know, you know, normal job where, you know, you're not making very much and you're just kind of climbing for a long time or you're smart enough to make something happen there, which, you know, that's that too. But most of the time people go, you know, work on the road. They're pipelining or.
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B
Yeah.
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Railroad or something.
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B
And so how boring was that?
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Dude, it wasn't boring. It was just hard. I worked, like, first job I had, I went out for 21 days straight, so. Geez, that was the. The hitch. You would go there? Yeah, well, I mean, we. We would get a hotel, but, like, we would go work, you know, 21 tens and then we would come back for you know, six, seven days. I get to go home for six or seven days. You come home and, you know, spend time with your family. And then it was over. And that's a blink of an eye. And you go back out. But you made better money. Cause you're working constantly and the wages were a little bit better. So. It was great though. I got to see, like. I got to see all over the country doing it. So it was cool. I liked it. It was interesting. But I'm glad the music thing kind of happened.
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B
Cause you can only do physical labor so long before your body takes out, Right?
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Yeah. I mean. And we were. I mean, I was swinging a hammer, I was driving spikes. Like how you would see it in the movies, you know, like, there's no way they still do it like that. Yeah, it is.
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B
I can't believe they still do that. Yeah, I think they would have invented a better system.
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I mean, they have machines and stuff to like, make it quicker and faster. Yeah, but you know, off the bat, when you're, you know, building a railroad track, you can't drive a machine on the track unless it's built. So you have to build it by hand.
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B
Right.
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And get it close enough that the machines can move on it. And then they kind of finish it out.
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B
Damn.
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Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's interesting. I do not know if I could go back and do it. I. I would be hurt.
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B
Yeah, you're probably in prime shape.
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Back then, dude, I was not like this. I look good, bro. But now, now, I mean, yeah, definitely. I gotta put some weight on. Yeah.
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B
Were you an athlete growing up?
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Yeah, man, I. I played football. I played baseball. Football was, you know, where I probably had like the. I was probably better at it. I loved baseball more, but I was better at football. Just, I had a big body and you could run into people, you know, you gotta be smart enough to go in the right direction. That's really it. Yeah.
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B
What was your position?
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I was a lineman. I was a defensive end and offensive tackle.
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B
Were you getting looks for colleges or.
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A
Man, we had a couple things, like right at the. My senior year, you know, I got a couple letters in the mail for some stuff. But I was pretty dead set on going to work. Like, I kind of. I grew up, you know, not. I'm not going to say like low income, but like, we. I wanted to go make money, if I could say it, you know, I wanted to go get my life started. And I wanted to. I wanted to have a new truck, you know, I wanted to Kind of do stuff like, I'll just go to work and. But yeah, it was interesting. It was interesting how it worked.
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B
Well, you're seeing that more commonly now with college debt. Like, people don't want to for sure go 50k. In debt.
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Yeah, okay.
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In debt.
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That was the whole thing. It was like, well, you can go to college, but, I mean, you're gonna have to work, you know, two jobs, go to school at the same time, and. Because, I mean, I could have got a scholarship maybe, but, I mean, I wasn't. I wasn't very. I mean, I didn't like school, so I didn't have crazy good grades. I was barely hanging on, you know, going through school. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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But just because I didn't like it. So I was like, it just makes more sense. Just go to work. And then, you know, that's what happened. And it was awesome. And luckily, I didn't have to do it.
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B
Did you blow all the money or did you stack it?
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Dude, I so spent it. I would go work for 21 days. I'd come home, and we were drinking. Drinking beer and hanging out, and. I mean, I wasn't drinking beer. I was too. Too young. Yeah, we were hanging out, you know. You know, so, yeah, I just. We had fun, and I just. I don't know, just kind of was just doing the thing. I didn't really have, like, a end goal, I guess.
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B
Yeah.
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Until I quit, so. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
And you probably didn't have, like, a mentor telling you to, like, invest it or.
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No. Hell, no. No. I mean, they. My family was like, hey, you're doing good. You got a great job. Yeah, keep doing it.
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B
You were probably making more than them, right?
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I was making. I was making. Yeah, probably about the same. You know, my mom was a nurse, and so she did. She did well. And my dad was a social worker, counselor, and he was doing great, but, I mean, I was right there with him just because I worked so much.
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Did they support your music journey?
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Absolutely.
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Nice.
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Yeah, they always did. So, like, I mean, growing up, I always sang, and I loved it. I sang all through school. I sang in church. And so my mom actually, funny story, she signed me up for the Voice while I was working on the railroad. Yeah. And so I came home and we went and tried out for the Voice, and they were like, yeah, you're good. But next, you know, like, they probably.
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B
Get so many people.
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Oh, yeah, dude. It's. I mean, it's. It's whatever. But, yeah, they always. They always did support me. And then I Started, like, posting videos and stuff, and I started liking it a lot. And I was like, this is cool.
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B
Yeah.
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When I quit, you know, they're like, you should really try. Try it out. So I did. We started a little band, played some shows, and met somebody. My mom introduced me to a guy that lived here in town that she went to school with, and he hit me up and was like, hey, man, if you want to do this, let me come watch a show. And he came, watch a show, and he was like, well, come to Nashville and write for a weekend, and we'll figure out the song side of stuff. And I was like, all right, cool. And I came here one time, and I was like, I'm moving.
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B
Wow. You liked it that much?
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A
Yeah. Well, I mean, it was such a different thing. I lived, you know, same thing every day, slow, like, just. And I don't get me wrong, I loved it. But, yeah, I moved. We came here. I was like, holy shit, this place is wild as hell.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Anything could happen here, you know? So.
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B
Probably hard to build a name for yourself in Missouri, right?
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Yeah, it's definitely one of those things now. It's probably a little easier just because of social media and stuff, but at that time, like, I mean, TikTok wasn't even a thing, which is weird to think about, but crazy.
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B
Yeah. Only five, six years ago, right?
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A
Yeah. Like, it was just starting, like, when I moved here.
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B
Yeah.
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I feel like, you know, people were just. It was just getting big. So. Yeah. Like, then I was like, you got to move here. You got to be in the mix. Which is true. Like I said, being in the mix here is what really, I think did it for me. Absolutely.
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B
There's some big podcasts out here, too, man. A lot of big social media people out here.
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Yes. Yeah. And I think it's getting bigger and bigger every day. It's pretty. It's pretty awesome.
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B
Yeah. A lot of people from Cali are moving here.
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A
Yeah.
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B
From other states.
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Yeah, it's. It's. It's pretty sick, honestly.
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B
Yeah. It's nuts these days to hit number one. I feel like you need TikTok. If you don't have TikTok, you're not gonna hit it.
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Yeah, I mean, I think. I mean, don't get me wrong. It helps, for sure, but I think to, like, you know, have a. Have a hit record, you can. You can have massive numbers and. And that kind of thing, but the radio is still an untouched thing. And, you know, to get on the radio, it's a whole nother Situation costs a lot, right? Yeah, it's a lot of money. It's. And I mean at the end of the day, at the end of the day, I mean the label, you know, is kind of. That's really how you get there, you know, signing a deal.
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B
Right.
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A
Because it's hard to do it by.
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Yourself unless almost impossible.
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A
Yeah. Pretty close. You know, I think there's a guy that just did it. His name is, his name is Drew Baldrige, but he just had number one at country radio on his own. Wow.
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B
I've never heard of that in country.
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A
Yep. It was pretty, pretty sick deal. It was eye opening to the town, I think. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. Pretty amazing. Yeah.
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B
Shout out to Russ. He's like an independent hip hop 100%.
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A
Yes. Like I think that is like those guys are what's paving the future easily for music.
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B
Yeah. Because a lot of people won't get on labels radars. But they're talented, they got good marketing.
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A
And it's also like I feel like connection based a lot, you know. Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty weird.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But it's so sick that they're doing it because now people are going, hey, I can do it. If he did it, I can do it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it's changing the whole game.
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B
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A
Too.
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B
Yeah. You got a new single dropping in a month, right?
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A
Yeah, dude. We're gonna finally put some. Some music out. I put a record out in 21 that we just did independently and it was awesome. And we just didn't know we were doing it. We didn't have marketing. We didn't have anything. I was just putting it out to have to go play shows. I was like, well, if I have music out and I go play a show, then maybe they'll be able to look it up. And that's just not the best way to do it. But it was awesome. But, yeah, we're back to putting music out here next month. So April 11, we're going to drop a song, and I'm pumped about it. Like I said, I've been writing songs for almost three years now, professionally here, and I think I've been able to kind of, you know, dial in on the craft and find out really how I want to do it, so. And I've met some amazing people that are, you know, by my side with it, and we're gonna see what happens. I'm pumped. Let's go.
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B
Let's see if we could get another number one.
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A
Yeah, man. Number one on my own.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So it would. I'm excited. I'm really excited. I get to go, you know, play some shows and get some music put out and kind of get on the other end of the song spectrum. Yeah. So it's gonna be cool.
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B
Yeah. What was it like on Tucker Wetmore's tour?
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A
Dude, we start in. We start in April. We start at the beginning, so we'll go. He's taking me out. Luckily, we've been friends for a long time, and he had a crazy year last year. He blew up massively, so he. He was like, you know, I kind of. I think I want you to come out and, like, and tour with me, and you can open up. And we were just starting to get in the mix of, you know, like, let's put some music out. And my team was like, I think it's time, like, you kind of got some songs that we're excited about. And, yeah, Tucker was gracious enough to be like, let's do it. So we're gonna go see what it's. What it's all about. I mean, he's playing great shows, big shows, and I'm gonna take my damn guitar out there and just play and see what. See what happens.
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B
Is that your first time touring with someone?
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A
It'll be my first, like, legitimate, like, tour. Yeah, it'll be awesome.
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B
Yeah, I'm sure that'll be a valuable experience.
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A
Yeah, it'll be cool. I mean, it's a great way to get, you know, eyes on the music, and, I mean, it's definitely like a. It's a. It's kind of like a rite of passage. I feel like as far as being an artist is like, you need to go out and have those, like, oh, shit moments where it's like, okay, there's a lot more people out here that I'm used to, but here we go.
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B
Yeah. That's going to be your biggest audience by far.
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A
Yeah, it'll be. It'll be something.
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B
So you get a drink beforehand.
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A
I'll probably have a couple. I'll probably have a couple cocktails.
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B
Ease the nerves a little bit.
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A
Definitely don't. I mean, might have to rip one of these.
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B
Yo, that energy drink is strong.
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A
I gotta try this thing.
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B
Dude. That thing. That thing kicks.
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A
I'm gonna take my time on it or I'll just. I might talk the case off this.
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B
No, I've done that before. Shout out to Old School Energy. When the founder came on, I chugged a little bit. I was like, holy, dude, I gotta chill.
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A
It's actually really good. I don't like energy drinks, but I do.
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B
Yeah. More a coffee guy.
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A
By far. Coffee all day.
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B
Coffee.
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A
Coffee in the morning.
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B
Yeah, coffee. Or some nice tea, you know, I.
- [19:40]
A
Haven'T got into the tea thing, but I am intrigued to try it. Does it give. It has, like, the caffeine.
- [19:46]
B
Coffee kind of has a. What's it called? Like, burnout at the end or whatever.
- [19:51]
A
Yeah.
- [19:51]
B
Like, do you feel tired later on or. Yeah, whatever it's called with tea. I don't get that.
- [19:55]
A
Oh, that's nice. That's a. I guess a coffee I'll.
- [19:58]
B
Crash at like, two, three people. I'm like, damn, I need a nap, dude.
- [20:01]
A
Holy.
- [20:01]
B
Unless you keep pounding it.
- [20:02]
A
For sure. Like. And I guess that's the shittiest part about coffee. Yeah, I guess if you get away. Might have to get on the tea game. What kind of tea do you drink?
- [20:09]
B
I drink matcha. I'm fancy with it.
- [20:10]
A
Matcha?
- [20:11]
B
Yeah.
- [20:11]
A
I don't even know what that is.
- [20:12]
B
You don't know what that is?
- [20:13]
A
No. Is it the green?
- [20:14]
B
The green? Yeah.
- [20:15]
A
Dude, I'm scared. I'll have to give it a shot. Where's the best place to get a matcha?
- [20:20]
B
That's a tricky part because a lot of it's really bad quality.
- [20:23]
A
Well, if I'm in Vegas, where would I go to get.
- [20:25]
B
I make my own. Or I buy it from Brian Johnson.
- [20:28]
A
I'll just hit you up.
- [20:28]
B
Yeah, hit me up. I'm the Matcha Plug.
- [20:31]
A
Plug. For sure.
- [20:32]
B
Brian Johnson's got some good matcha. Have you seen that guy on social media? Maybe he's the guy trying to live forever. He has, like, white, pale face.
- [20:40]
A
Is it. Does he. Does he. Does it look like he's going to live forever or you just. Okay, so it's just not.
- [20:45]
B
It's not looking good.
- [20:46]
A
I mean, but is he still trucking?
- [20:48]
B
His results are good. You know, he's spending $2 million a month on himself or whatever it is.
- [20:54]
A
So he. He, like, is saying that everything is going great, but doesn't look like it.
- [20:58]
B
Yeah. I'll show you a photo.
- [21:00]
A
Yeah, I have to check it out.
- [21:01]
B
He's trying to achieve immortality. He's trying to evade death.
- [21:04]
A
Yeah, well, fucking good luck.
- [21:05]
B
I think death is inevitable.
- [21:07]
A
Yeah, I mean, I think so. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I totally think so. That's fucking crazy.
- [21:12]
B
Like, even if I. Like, if someone offered you, yo, do you want to live forever?
- [21:16]
A
I. I mean, no.
- [21:18]
B
Yeah, I don't think I got to do it.
- [21:19]
A
I mean, I don't know. That's a weird. That's a weird question.
- [21:22]
B
Yeah.
- [21:22]
A
Yeah.
- [21:22]
B
Like, if you stayed the same age right now, but you live forever.
- [21:27]
A
Nah.
- [21:28]
B
Yeah, I don't think.
- [21:28]
A
No, I think I'm. I mean, I think that's the whole part about life is like, I didn't. I didn't want to be 16 forever.
- [21:34]
B
That Zac Efron movie.
- [21:35]
A
Yeah.
- [21:36]
B
18 again or whatever.
- [21:37]
A
You saw how that worked out. And that guy's hot as hell, dude. Yeah.
- [21:40]
B
And he went miserable.
- [21:42]
A
Yeah.
- [21:42]
B
I forget how it ended, but it wasn't a happy ending.
- [21:45]
A
I mean, it probably was, but it got. It got dark. Yeah, it got dark for sure.
- [21:49]
B
Because then everyone you love passes away before you and. Yeah, your kids are gonna pass away before you.
- [21:54]
A
Yeah. I mean, that's the whole thing. I mean, I'm a. I'm a big believer. I'm a big Christian, and, you know, I look forward to that one day.
- [22:02]
B
Yeah. So I used to fear death a lot growing up, but I've accepted it now.
- [22:05]
A
I feel like 20, like, turning 20, 20, like, 6 and 27. Like, when you start, like, okay, I'm not a kid anymore. I'm an adult. I think that, like, really came into play with me. It was like, holy shit, I'm going to die.
- [22:18]
B
Yeah. For me, it was like when I started seeing some, like, now it happens every year. Like a loved one. It's like, holy shit. Like, some of these guys are young, too. Like in their 40s, 50s, for sure.
- [22:27]
A
Yeah, it is. Yeah. I feel that because it is. It's like, okay, that's real.
- [22:32]
B
Yeah.
- [22:32]
A
So. Yeah, but.
- [22:34]
B
Yeah, so, like, I used to be a huge partier and stuff, but I had a chill a little bit.
- [22:38]
A
You don't drink?
- [22:39]
B
I don't drink anymore. Yeah.
- [22:40]
A
Matcha just matches Matcha.
- [22:43]
B
And I used to be a huge stoner, too, but I was so unproductive. A lot of people in the music space can pull it off.
- [22:49]
A
I don't know how, but some say it, like, helps, like, creative, which I'm sure it can possibly. Just makes me, like, slow and slow.
- [22:56]
B
I shut down.
- [22:57]
A
Yeah. But they're like, oh, you got to, like, got to smoke this. Like, dude, I've smoked it.
- [23:03]
B
Well, it's so strong these days. Yeah, it's like, 20 times stronger than.
- [23:06]
A
Our parents, for sure.
- [23:07]
B
They were just picking it out of the fields, for sure.
- [23:09]
A
Just getting it, like, by a handful. They're like, yeah, there you go.
- [23:12]
B
Now they're growing it in a lab. Yeah, it's like, 35%.
- [23:15]
A
This is going to make you levitate for real.
- [23:18]
B
I felt like I was levitating.
- [23:20]
A
I don't want to do that.
- [23:20]
B
No. I get anxiety when I'm high now.
- [23:22]
A
I think, yeah, dude, I have. The anxiety is real. I feel like. Like turning, like, 26 and 27. You're like, okay. Holy.
- [23:29]
B
Just hits you, man. Because when you're a kid, you have no worries. You could get for sure as you want.
- [23:33]
A
Well, you don't think about the. You know, the realistic side of, like, life.
- [23:37]
B
Yeah. You're so just numb to, like, responsibility.
- [23:40]
A
Yeah. It's pretty wild living.
- [23:42]
B
So. Yeah. Now I should shut down, have a. I actually had the worst.
- [23:46]
A
Shut down and have a panic attack.
- [23:47]
B
I got to tell you this. Do you know Criss Angel?
- [23:50]
A
Yeah, dude. He does magic.
- [23:52]
B
Yeah.
- [23:52]
A
Yeah.
- [23:52]
B
Have you been to his show or seen.
- [23:54]
A
No, that shit's scary, bro.
- [23:55]
B
I didn't. So my. My boy is like, you want to go to magic show? I'm like, yeah, pull a rabbit out of a hat all lively and stuff.
- [24:02]
A
Yeah.
- [24:02]
B
He's like, yeah, let's eat edibles before and then go to it.
- [24:05]
A
Oh, you had no idea. My God, the last thing I would do was eat an edible and go to a Criss angel show.
- [24:11]
B
So I ate 20mgs, which for me is a lot.
- [24:13]
A
It's enough.
- [24:13]
B
Yeah. Yeah. And I had no tolerance back then, too. I walk in the show, we're late, so everyone's already sitting down. It's pitch black, and there's crows flying in the theater.
- [24:23]
A
Like, there's actual at that point.
- [24:25]
B
Yeah. So I didn't make it to my seat.
- [24:27]
A
You didn't even go in.
- [24:28]
B
Yeah, I paid like 150 bucks for the ticket because I had a panic attack. So I collapsed in the hallway walking back to my hotel room. I have to crawl to my room.
- [24:38]
A
I'm not laughing because it's not cool.
- [24:39]
B
No, it's terrible. I'm never eating an edible again. I throw up everywhere in my room. I call my girlfriend at the time. I'm like, babe, I think I'm gonna die. Like, I. My heart's racing, dude.
- [24:49]
A
I mean, I know exactly how you're feeling because I've definitely done it. I just didn't do it at a Chris angel show.
- [24:54]
B
Nah, that made it 10 times worse.
- [24:56]
A
That's the whole. That's the worst part.
- [24:58]
B
Yeah. Because the day before, I ate 10mgs and it was amazing. I went to all you could eat buffet. I ate like 20 plates and it was amazing.
- [25:04]
A
I think that. Yeah.
- [25:05]
B
So I doubled the dose, thinking I.
- [25:07]
A
Could handle it, but clearly that was just perfect. Pocket.
- [25:10]
B
Yeah, I should have stick with 10.
- [25:12]
A
I've definitely had the same situation where like, oh, I'll eat this much of one and you can have the rest. And then it actually. For real, My buddy did it and I was like, dude, I only ate like a quarter of it. The rest of it. And it was awful. But I hung in there.
- [25:24]
B
Yeah.
- [25:25]
A
Luckily didn't have a panic attack. That's. But I didn't go to a Criss Angel. That's nuts.
- [25:30]
B
Yeah. I thought it was it that day, man.
- [25:31]
A
Your. Your boys should have. Should have helped you out. Yeah.
- [25:34]
B
And then I had another time where I just. I don't know what the fuck happened. I had to call an ambulance. Yeah. I'm never eating edibles again, dude.
- [25:41]
A
No, there's no shot. I don't even like them. I kind of want to, like, if I want to. If I'm gonna get high, I'm gonna smoke it. Smoke a little bit and be like, okay. I feel okay.
- [25:51]
B
Yeah.
- [25:52]
A
We're gonna take it and be like, well, let's see what happens. It's more controllable guessing.
- [25:57]
B
Yeah. Because when you smoke it, it goes away after like 30 minutes. The hot edibles. You're high for eight hours for.
- [26:02]
A
For sure. Yeah. I mean, like, even if someone's like taking an edible and going and writing a song, that would be terrible. You'd have half a song and then the other half, it would either be non existent or dark.
- [26:15]
B
Yeah.
- [26:15]
A
Scary.
- [26:16]
B
Yeah, for sure. What's your creative process? Any.
- [26:19]
A
Any substances or. No, I mean, I think a clear mind is like, probably the, the best way to go for me. But I mean, I like. I mean, I'll catch a buzz. I like, I'll drink a beer. Drink a couple beers. I've drank way more than a couple beers, wrote a song. But I just, I mean, I think like, having a level head and being able to think, like, process, you know, what's going on, I think that's probably the best for me. It's coffee in the morning.
- [26:44]
B
Yeah.
- [26:45]
A
Good. Drive to work and get out and go inside and pick up a guitar.
- [26:50]
B
No second, no psychedelics.
- [26:51]
A
No, dude, hell no. No shot. Yeah. I don't know. I don't even. Wouldn't even try that.
- [26:57]
B
Oh, you've never done it?
- [26:58]
A
I mean. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't like, I don't want to trip at like a let. We usually ride at like 11 o'. Clock. I wouldn't want to like, trip my ass off at 11 o'. Clock.
- [27:09]
B
Wow.
- [27:10]
A
Or 11, 11am oh, sorry. Okay. 11am Is usually like the going time around here for like, what time a session will start.
- [27:16]
B
Interesting.
- [27:17]
A
And it's kind of nice. It's kind of like blue collar esque, you know, where it's like, oh, I got to be at work and got to be off by, you know, 4, 4:30 and got to go pick up my kids. You got to go get dinner, that kind of thing. So it's nice, but I'm not about to eat a handful of mushrooms at 11am and just go and see what happens.
- [27:32]
B
Yeah, I feel that.
- [27:33]
A
Yeah. Clear hat, dude. Maybe an energy drink, dude. Maybe a.
- [27:37]
B
Maybe a little old.
- [27:38]
A
Maybe an old school energy.
- [27:39]
B
Giving them a lot of love, this episode.
- [27:41]
A
I know, dude.
- [27:42]
B
You watch any podcasts or any shows right now?
- [27:45]
A
I mean, I've watched like, like the Avon. The Yovon is. I'm a comedy dude. So, like the dumber and like the goofier, the more, like, interested I am. Like, the Rogan, like, pod is. Is like, it's hard to dissect. Like, it has to be like someone on there that I'm. I can relate to.
- [28:02]
B
Like a comedian.
- [28:02]
A
Yeah. Like a comedian or like a music guy. Like, the post episode is cool.
- [28:05]
B
Yeah.
- [28:06]
A
But like, I'm also probably ADHD as hell and just like can't stay locked in long enough to listen to that long of a pod.
- [28:15]
B
Yeah, dude, but I like the comedy ones.
- [28:17]
A
The comedy ones are funny. I like, I like Theo, like Bert.
- [28:21]
B
Bert's good. Andrew Schultz.
- [28:22]
A
Yeah, dude, he is. Have you seen his new stand up?
- [28:25]
B
No, I got to watch it.
- [28:26]
A
It's. Yes, it's funny. It's a solid.
- [28:29]
B
Check that one out.
- [28:30]
A
Yeah, he's. Those are like more my speed for sure.
- [28:32]
B
Yeah.
- [28:32]
A
Like I said, I'm not a. I'm not a malicious, mean guy. Dumb and goofy. So it plays more into my favor.
- [28:39]
B
No. After a long day at work, I'm telling you, a good old comedy podcast can make my day, man.
- [28:42]
A
100%. Yeah. It's hilarious.
- [28:44]
B
Yeah. I was listening to Theovon Ari chauffeur on the way home from Sedona, and it just made the whole ride just go.
- [28:49]
A
I don't know what's going on in his head, but I want to know. Cuz like, that is like cre. Like creativity at its finest.
- [28:58]
B
I feel like they need to study his brain.
- [29:00]
A
Yeah, dude. Like, I want some of what he's got.
- [29:03]
B
Someone should offer his family million to when he passes away, like, to give him his brain. You know what I mean?
- [29:09]
A
Yeah. I mean, dude, he is. He's so funny. I think he lives here.
- [29:12]
B
He does. Shout out to the.
- [29:13]
A
Yeah, big shout out. I'm like, I've never. I've never met him, but I've seen him, you know, seen him around. I'm just like, man, what did you.
- [29:20]
B
Power slap a lot? Have you seen.
- [29:22]
A
Yes.
- [29:23]
B
Yeah, that shit's lit. Would you ever do that for the right bag?
- [29:26]
A
Yeah, the right bag, I would do it.
- [29:28]
B
I set that up for you.
- [29:29]
A
Let's run it, dude.
- [29:30]
B
So right now the winners are making 10 grand.
- [29:32]
A
Yeah, I'm out. I'm not getting dude, because I'm going to lose number one. And I want to. At least I go out like, oh, that was worth it. I want to get this shit. I mean, don't get me wrong. 10. 10 grand is fine. That would be great to have.
- [29:45]
B
It's five if you lose. I think you get 10 if you win.
- [29:48]
A
What's like the championship or championship?
- [29:50]
B
I think they make more. Maybe 12, 5, 25 or something. It's still a new sport, so.
- [29:54]
A
Those dudes are obliterating each other.
- [29:57]
B
Well, especially the heavyweights, that is.
- [29:59]
A
Who's the dude that has the beard?
- [30:01]
B
Crazy Hawaiian.
- [30:02]
A
Yes.
- [30:02]
B
Yeah, I just had him on. So last fight he lost.
- [30:04]
A
No shit.
- [30:04]
B
His tooth. Because they hit that hard. He lost an adult grown tooth.
- [30:08]
A
He lost an adult. That. I mean. Yeah, dude, I don't think there's. It would have to be pricey for me To. To get in there. Somebody.
- [30:14]
B
I think I do it for a mill.
- [30:16]
A
A mill?
- [30:16]
B
Yeah.
- [30:17]
A
I mean, I would for sure do.
- [30:18]
B
It because you got to factor in we make money off our. Our mind.
- [30:21]
A
Yes.
- [30:21]
B
Like if we lose a step there, it kind of affects us in the long run.
- [30:24]
A
For sure. For sure. I was thinking about that, like, I've got a buddy that like posted something on social media yesterday and he was like, I don't know if I want my kids to play football.
- [30:34]
B
Yeah.
- [30:34]
A
Because I just got rocked so many times and I was like, that's true. Like, I. I could have. I could have been probably smarter than I am, but I mean, you ever.
- [30:43]
B
Get a nasty concussion playing football?
- [30:44]
A
Yeah, I had a few. I had. I think I had like four.
- [30:47]
B
And that's just the major ones. Apparently there's micro ones every time you hit someone.
- [30:50]
A
Yeah, there's no tell, dude. There's no telling. I mean, we were. I mean, we were full blown, like smashing each other in practice.
- [30:57]
B
Yeah.
- [30:58]
A
You know, so, I mean, it got a little bit better as I was like junior senior. But I mean, it's football at the end of the day too. So, I mean, you're signing up to run each other.
- [31:06]
B
I'll set you up with a brain scan if you want.
- [31:08]
A
Yeah, I just took one. That's scary.
- [31:10]
B
Also for me, I was scared, but it was worth it because I learned a lot.
- [31:13]
A
What is, like, what comes.
- [31:14]
B
I had TBI somehow. I don't know. I never really concussion growing up. I just had one maybe from when I was super young, but we were able to fix it.
- [31:21]
A
What. What exactly is tbi?
- [31:23]
B
Traumatic brain injury. So like a concussion.
- [31:24]
A
Okay, okay.
- [31:25]
B
Hard hit. Mine was a pass through, so I had it in the front and the back of my brain.
- [31:30]
A
Yeah.
- [31:30]
B
But we got in the oxygen chamber, got on the right supplements.
- [31:33]
A
So how did you summon. Were you just like, I just want to go try this out or did you know somebody in there?
- [31:37]
B
Like the guys? He's super famous. Dr. Amen. He goes on a lot of the biggest podcasts and he just. A bunch of ex athletes or whatever go to him and he fixes their brain. It's crazy. Like NFL players, like boxers.
- [31:49]
A
I wonder what's going on. Might have something crazy.
- [31:52]
B
And you could see if you have ADHD too.
- [31:54]
A
That would. I wouldn't. I don't know. What, what do you even do if you have that, though?
- [31:57]
B
Well, now it's. It's a superpower. But when we were growing up, that's what it's like a negative Thing.
- [32:00]
A
Yeah, it's like, not a good thing. But I'm like, I'm. I like. I mean, I don't like it because I don't even know if I have it. But I mean, I think it hasn't been too hard on me, I guess. Yeah.
- [32:10]
B
These days with Tick Tock, I feel like everyone has it.
- [32:12]
A
Oh, yeah. There's no. Like, you can just always. Your attention is going somewhere else, like 24 7.
- [32:17]
B
That must make your industry hard to keep them listening, Right?
- [32:20]
A
I think. Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, I don't know because, like, it's also broadened it to where, like, there's so many different, like, music is. It's not country music and pop music and hip hop and rock anymore. Like, there's. Don't get me wrong, there's all. Those are all still genres, but, like, there's the in betweens where, like, now you have pop, country, where, you know, I think, you know, two different genres are coming together, which makes it more fun to create because, like, now you're not in some, you know, shell where it's like, ah, you can't, like, can't really do that now. It's like, you can do it. So I think that's actually been a good thing because now, like, the music industry in itself is badass.
- [33:00]
B
I think so, too. Yeah. You never know what the song's gonna.
- [33:02]
A
Be before is predictable, for sure. Yeah. That means you're listening to country music where you're listening to pop music. Now you have Morgan Wallen, who does damn near do it all.
- [33:12]
B
Yeah.
- [33:13]
A
And I mean, he is.
- [33:14]
B
Did a song Amigos, right?
- [33:16]
A
Yeah. He did a song with Money Bag. He did a song with. I can't remember. There was another.
- [33:21]
B
Was it Snoop?
- [33:23]
A
I can't remember. I know. Like, it's saying, like, I don't know if you know who Ernest is. He's a, like, awesome artist, awesome songwriter, one of the. One of the best. But he's actually doing a song with Snoop, so.
- [33:32]
B
That's sick.
- [33:32]
A
Yeah, dude. I think, like, the crossovers, it's gonna be so sick because now there are no rules.
- [33:37]
B
Yeah.
- [33:37]
A
You know what I mean? It's like, let's go make some badass that people love. Let's experiment.
- [33:43]
B
I love it, man.
- [33:44]
A
Yeah, it's awesome, man.
- [33:45]
B
Well, Jacob, where can people find you anything else you want to close off with, man?
- [33:48]
A
No, I mean, you can find me on social, on Instagram, Tick tock at Jacob Hackworth Music Underscore. Got A song dropping April 11th when I don't check out my social medias to see what you think.
- [34:01]
B
Boom. We'll link below. Thanks for coming on, man.
- [34:03]
A
Yeah, thank you so much, man. Appreciate them out, guys.
- [34:05]
B
See you next time. Smoke.
- [34:08]
A
Awesome.
- [34:08]
B
That was fun, dude. We were. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm.
- [34:15]
A
Thank you.