Jennelle Gordon & Keith Mitchell: “If You Can’t Master This, You’ll Struggle in Relationships”

Summary

Digital Social Hour – Episode Summary

Podcast: Digital Social Hour
Host: Sean Kelly
Guests: Jennelle Gordon & Keith Mitchell
Episode Title: "If You Can’t Master This, You’ll Struggle in Relationships"
Date: January 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on intimate relationships, sexual mastery, and personal growth from both male and female perspectives. Sean Kelly welcomes returning guest Jennelle Gordon—known for her frank takes on tantra, intimacy, and sexual polarity—and her collaborator, former NFL player and tantra practitioner Keith Mitchell. Together, they share stories, debate controversial ideas, and offer practical advice about how presence, communication, and energy play out in sex and relationships.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Tantra, Sexual Polarity, and Relationship Growth

• Bridging Esoterica and Practicality: Jennelle recounts learning to balance deep, theoretical tantra concepts with actionable advice for retreats, thanks to Keith’s guidance.
  • Memorable Quote [03:43, Jennelle]: "You gotta breastfeed them before you give them steak."
• Role Specialization: The pair acknowledge their distinct strengths—Jennelle as detail-oriented organizer, Keith as the presence and anchor at events, creating effective masculine/feminine polarity dynamics.

2. Retreats and Real-World Stories

• Retreat Experiences: Myths about sex retreats (orgies, etc.) versus the actual focus on healing, breakthrough, and deep adult conversation.
  • Story [07:05, Janelle]: Therapy keeps people stuck: "We give you tools from the science of sexual polarity … plus and minus."
• Polyamory and Dynamics: Keith’s experiment living with multiple women post-retreat—explored not as indulgence, but as a path to mastering relational complexity and building creative enterprise.

3. Tackling Sexual Shame and Maturity

• Sexual Shame in Society: Both lament how adults rarely have "real" conversations or even basic knowledge about sexual needs, desires, or boundaries.
  • Jennelle [14:02]: "We suggest 150 questions before you're intimate with someone."
• The Missing Tools: Focus on hands-on, polarity-based frameworks rather than surface-level therapy or rote communication.

4. Presence, Breath, and Sexual Fulfillment

• Orgasm Redefined: Moving beyond the physical to energetic and emotional orgasm—breathwork as the simplest and most neglected tool.
  • Keith [18:30]: "When you define orgasm, what is orgasm? … It's presence. It's all these different dynamics."
• The ‘Ecstatic Experience’ by Breath: Teaching couples to synchronize breath, emphasizing surrender and trust, especially for women.
  • Jennelle [22:13]: "I don’t breathe until he tells me. … So I trust him."

5. Semen Retention, Energy, and Sexual Power

• Semen Retention as Mastery: For men, discipline and control over ejaculation equals power, longevity, and higher self-worth.
  • Janelle [36:29]: "It’s so fucking attractive to me … when I see a man who isn’t a slave to his ejaculations."
• Energetic ‘Imprinting’: Semen as "liquid gold," creating deep ties and spiritual consequences when exchanged.
  • Keith [60:04]: "It's an imprinting. … Your imprint, your blueprint for life, and you're putting that in her."

6. Modern Dating, Cheating, and Gender Dynamics

• Shrinking Dating Pool: Citing statistics—many men not pairing up, women competing for the top 20% of men, and widespread sexual dissatisfaction.
• Women’s Infidelity: Arguments that women cheat as much or more than men, but are better at hiding it.
  • Janelle [63:42]: "I believe they cheat more. We just don’t fucking get caught."
• Cultural Observations: American women vs. Brazilian women—passion, engagement, and satisfaction in sex.
  • Keith [53:21]: "You go to Brazil … you know what it’s like to make love."

7. Communication, Shame, and Fetish Acceptance

• Vulnerability with Partners: The need to share fantasies and dark desires with long-term partners, or risk emotional and sexual drift.
  • Keith [41:23]: "If you want to be with a man, monogamy … you have to go with him to the ugly places … his sexual archetype makeup."
• Temple Night and Relationship Rulebooks: Advocating scheduled exploration, creation of relationship rulebooks, and ‘Temple Nights’ to keep variety, excitement, and intentionality alive.

8. Physical Techniques and Biohacking

• Testicular Massage and Male Vitality:
  • Practical Advice [33:38, Janelle]: Men should massage their testicles daily, aiding health and sexual energy.
  • Keith adds advanced technique [34:09]: "When you’re about to climax, have the woman slightly pull it down … at the same time, push up on the perineum."
• Vaginal Health, Diet, and Orgasm:
  • Jennelle [70:13]: Advocates a plant-based diet for women ("designed to be vegans") for better sexual health and taste.
• Yoni Steaming, Coconut Oil, and Natural Lubrication: Avoiding chemical lubes; using coconut or sesame oil instead.
• Biohacking with Duck Flower Cleanse: Keith’s experience with Dr. Sebi’s duck flower herbal detox, described as nature’s "chemotherapy" for the body [78:33–79:51].

9. Experiences from the NFL and Masculinity

• Domination vs. Presence: Keith reflects on how the “dominate” mentality of pro football hindered his relational growth until he practiced tantra and conscious connection.
• Media Training and Authenticity: Commentary on the pressures for athletes to "fit the narrative" and suppress their true selves [82:07, Keith].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Janelle on Mastery in Relationships [36:29]:
  “I’m picking a man who can control his ejaculation at will every motherfucking time.”

• Keith on Sexual Presence [18:30]:
  “It doesn’t have to stop. It could be continuous … It’s the sensation after that is an opening up and expansion to what is.”

• Janelle on Emotional Dynamics [17:01]:
  “People want sex, they want orgasms, they want money, they want love. But they won’t surrender. The women won’t surrender to get there.”

• Keith on the Dangers of Sexual Repression [55:07]:
  “They’re trying to make you gay, bro.”

• Janelle on Women’s Sexual Motivation [51:50]:
  “I don't think most women are into sex … They do it because they know it's … to satisfy your itch so they can get what they want, but in the end, they don't want to have it.”

• Keith on Semen Sharing [60:03]:
  “I don’t think everyone deserves it.”

• Janelle on Infidelity [63:42]:
  “Listen, I believe they [women] cheat more. We just don’t fucking get caught.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:04 – Sex vs. money: priorities and why sexual mastery matters
• 03:31 – How Keith and Jennelle started partnering; lessons on presenting tantra to mainstream audiences
• 05:31 – Debunking sex retreat stereotypes; emphasizing tools and growth over therapy
• 11:57 – Keith’s communal living with multiple women; creative energy vs. hedonism
• 14:02 – The importance of deep pre-intimacy conversations
• 18:30 – Redefining orgasms: breath and presence
• 22:13 – Trusting a partner to lead through breathwork
• 36:29 – Erotic discipline as an attractive trait
• 41:23 – Monogamy and exploring ‘ugly’ places for lasting fidelity
• 51:50 – Are women into sex, or what sex brings?
• 53:21 – Cultural perspectives: The sexual passion divide between America and Brazil
• 60:03 – On energetic imprinting and the spiritual consequences of ejaculation
• 63:42 – Women and infidelity: Why they may outpace men
• 78:33/79:05 – Keith’s duck flower cleanse/biohacking journey
• 82:07 – NFL politics and the push for conformity

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Tone and Language

The entire conversation is candid, playful, and unapologetically raw. Both Jennelle and Keith employ vivid imagery, streetwise humor, and direct language to challenge conventional thinking. The underlying focus remains on healing, conscious engagement, and sexual/spiritual growth, rather than shock value for its own sake.

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Additional Resources

• Upcoming Retreats: Next retreat scheduled for February 14 (Valentine’s Day) in Tulum.
• Jennelle’s Book: Covers sexual archetypes, practical exercises, and energetic health.
• Linked Resources: Look for links in the video description.

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Conclusion:
This episode stands out for its frank approach to taboo topics, practical relationship advice, and its unique blend of spiritual and physical intimacy strategies. Both guests bring personal anecdotes, hard-earned wisdom, and challenge societal myths about sex, gender, and relationships—making this a must-listen for anyone seeking deeper connection, sexual fulfillment, or fresh perspective on modern love.

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Transcript

[Host]

If you had to pick between a really good person that sex, or someone with millions. That's tough, right?

[Janelle]

Listen, I love first class. I love all the bougie stuff. And I'm picking a man who can control his ejaculation at will every motherf. In time.

[Keith]

So I'm gonna pick the million dollars first, and then you can go buy a coach.

[Host]

That's a loophole. That's a loophole. All right, guys. Digital social hour. We are back with Janelle, who's man finally viral every time on the show. And she brought her friend today. Keith.

[Keith]

Hey. Pleasure.

[Host]

Y' all been working together for a while now, huh?

[Keith]

Yes, we have. We have. I met Janelle years ago. I introduced her first to my daughter's mother. I needed some help in our relationship.

[Host]

Okay.

[Keith]

And obviously, since it's an ex, it didn't go out so well. Yeah. So.

[Janelle]

But that wasn't my fault.

[Keith]

But it wasn't your fault. No, no.

[Janelle]

He met me when I was still in tantra school.

[Host]

Okay.

[Janelle]

Because he used to work and was very close with Psalm Isadora, who a lot of people say I resemble when we have some same thing, similar stories. So that's how we met. And then after he brought his daughter's mother, he said, let's do a retreat, you know, and my son was pretty young, too, so we did our first one at Pelican Hill, which, you know, bringing tantra to, like, Trump land, where it's, like, very conservative was. That was a pretty bull.

[Keith]

Very conservative. But we had the media. The media came out. The. The whole newspaper deal. Nice showing.

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Keith]

In such a conservative place like that.

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Host]

So y' all didn't get arrested like Bonnie Blue?

[Janelle]

We did not get arrested like Bonnie Blue, but she's. She's having a time in Bali right now.

[Host]

You think she'll get out? Cuz I know you had a little sk.

[Janelle]

I've been there, done that. Do you know who Bonnie Blue is?

[Keith]

Yes. I saw that.

[Janelle]

So the media has been reaching out to me, actually, since we've been here, asking to do some articles with me, because I. I lived through it. The funny thing is we had just wrapped a retreat, and everyone made it out alive but me.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

And for the same reason. It was a. It was rough. I'm not gonna lie. My son saved me. I swear that if you said that.

[Host]

Tiki, how did he save me?

[Janelle]

If I wasn't there, I would probably still be there. Like what they're doing with Bonnie.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Janelle]

Because. Because I had a minor with me. They they know that that's not a good look to, like, to detain me. And the conditions were awful. My son heard people screaming and banging on the thing. And we weren't actually. We were detained, but we were not underneath where I'm sure Bonnie is right now, bless her heart.

[Host]

Oh, my God.

[Janelle]

So w. Wild times.

[Host]

I hope she gets out. She's been on the show, and we. We had a good conversation, honestly, you.

[Janelle]

Know, I. I need to have her on. We should have her on.

[Host]

Yeah, I know she gets a lot of hate, but she owns her. Her craft, you know, so you got to respect it.

[Keith]

That's the one thing I like about Janelle. She owns her craft 100%, and I respect it, whether you agree with all of it or not, you know, and some of it is out there, but I'm like, if you stand on it, you stand by your work. I support it. I'm all about it.

[Janelle]

And that's the thing I respect so much about Keith, I think, is that, you know, Keith's a huge reason why I'm here today. Let's just be clear on this, because the same thing you did with Psalm when I came back. So this is what we talk about. The masculine principles of, like, divine, masculine, divine, feminine. So the feminine is chaotic and crazy, and that's why we have so much drama. And men don't know how to deal with it. Men who are not, like, conscious, right? And I hate that word, not conscious, but who are present and who are like Shiva, God, life. So when I came back, I was, like, all over the place, right? I was like, oh, you know, like, just. I was crazy, not. How are you seeing now, right? And then Keith was like, listen, you gotta. Like, we did a retreat. I remember the first one we did international. And I was just, like, giving them, like, esoteric theory, theory, like, same thing I did, you know? And he's like, you can't do this. He's like, you're gonna lose them. He was like, you gotta meet them where they are. And funny thing, we're gonna talk about this. He goes, you gotta. You gotta breastfeed them before you give them. Stay. And now I'm the poster child for breastfeeding on the Internet, too. But. And so I changed my whole thinking of, like, I can't meet the masses where I am or how I was trained. I have to meet them with where they are or what they might be curious to look at and say, I don't agree with that, but. Huh. And that's kind of. And he's a part of that. So interesting.

[Keith]

What's that movie? Tropic Thunder is like, you can't go full retard. You know, you gotta go. You gotta get your money first, and then you can go.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Keith]

That's what I've been trying.

[Janelle]

One time at the retreat, we got into this huge fight. So we had this woman, Andrea. That's Andrea. She ran our retreats. Like, she got poached from us, but she ran our retreats so great. She ran like company. 200 people. 20. 20 years. So everything was just. We just got to show up and do our craft, which is what we're good at. Right. So we got into this fight. Not fight, but we got into this discussion.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

Of what we need to be doing. Right. And he was like, you know, you can't do this. And all of our attendees were downstairs waiting on us. Right. And so he's like, no, you gotta, like, give them real shit. Stop the. Stop the esoteric. And so after that, we went downstairs. I was like, okay. And Keith went off to his room. Cause we take shifts, you know, I went downstairs and I was like, you know what? What's the biggest pain point that's keeping you from having the marriage or the relationship you want? And from that, we had the most insane breakthrough as now that's a part of our retreat. And that's because you pushed me.

[Keith]

Yeah. Because the esoteric philosophy, you know, it has not the best relatability.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And so people need tools. This is why, again, I put something out where you can get tools. No. If I know what to do, how to think, act in all situations, well, what can I not do? So I believe that's the same thing that happens in relationships.

[Host]

That makes sense.

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Host]

What goes down at these retreats. Because I think a lot of people hear about a sex retreat and their first thought is giant orgy. Right.

[Janelle]

It's basically Keith and all seven of his women come and. No, I'm just playing. We're going to get into that later.

[Keith]

It happened once.

[Janelle]

That happened once.

[Host]

You brought all your girls out at him Because.

[Janelle]

Because here's what happened.

[Host]

We'll just air one day a week.

[Janelle]

One girl, just a little bit of dirty laundry. But also peak people's interest to come. Right. Because we have one in Valentine's Day.

[Host]

What a day to pick for.

[Janelle]

We're waiting for you guys to come.

[Host]

That's my growth, though. You think we need it?

[Keith]

Everybody needs it.

[Host]

Really?

[Keith]

Everybody needs.

[Host]

Even if you're already married.

[Janelle]

Yes. You need it before you get what yes. How many? Tell me the percentage of marriages that end in divorce.

[Host]

Isn't it like 50?

[Janelle]

So you're leaving it to chance. And relationships get what, worse, not better? Usually everything in the universe what atrophies. Atrophies. So just because you get married and all that, you're in the honeymoon stage and things are blissful and. Yeah, but you know, and money's good for you, so you probably won't have issues with money.

[Keith]

But you got to stay growing. You got to stay growing.

[Host]

No, I agree with that. I think relationships always are about growing. For sure.

[Janelle]

People to come before, before they get married. We think if we people come before that, they're going not going to have these problems. And we give you the tools.

[Host]

Okay.

[Janelle]

To handle these. Because we, we're not therapists. Therapists. Therapy is basically bs, right? You just rehearse and regurgitate your problems. We give you tools from a polarity perspective from what everything in the universe is, right?

[Keith]

Yeah. But to people who do do therapy, that is something.

[Janelle]

So it is don't, don't do therapy. But oftentimes it keeps you stuck in your loops and you just form a friend who listens problems. We are giving you hands on tools from the science of sexual polarity, which is everything in the universe, plus and minus.

[Host]

Yeah. And you got the male and female perspective, which I like.

[Janelle]

You know, back to this, this funny thing, this retreat. So we show up. This is our, one of our largest retreats. Yeah, we like to keep it small, but it was like 25.

[Host]

Damn.

[Janelle]

For an intimacy retreat, we like to keep it pretty small. So I was like, okay, Keith, there's a lot of young, younger, attractive women there. And I knew Keith had brought them, you know, and so I, I typically will bring the couples and, and some men, and he would always bring the women. I mean, can, can we see? Right? It's pretty obvious. So I said, listen, Keith, I said, I need you to be honest with me. Like, what's the dynamic with these girls? Because I need to understand, like, hey, what's, what's happening? You know, because we're leading this group together. He's like, no, no, no. I said, did you any of these girls?

[Host]

No.

[Janelle]

Everything's done.

[Host]

Oh, God.

[Janelle]

Just wake up. That's the end of the retreat. It was pretty wild.

[Keith]

But, well, you got to understand our retreats, you're opening them up. It's like so all the things, the dark, the light, all that's in combination. So all these emotions are happening for people. So, you know, we're just going deep like that. So a lot of things happen. Life happens through the situation in my life.

[Janelle]

We meet people knocking on his door because we have, like, door tags in the room. And so Keith was like, all right, we got to take my door tag off. As every night there's, like, women banging on. Yeah, but. But, yeah.

[Keith]

And that's a no go, too.

[Janelle]

That's. But that is what formed from that retreat is what formed the. The seven women or six women that you had living with you.

[Host]

Basically living with you. Whoa.

[Keith]

I'm ambitious. And the thing is, I'm. I just, you know, my. My thing is, if I want to know and so the depths of relationships, I want to know how they work and. And what's going to be best suited for me. And so I'm, you know, just like, I achieved the things like the NFL. I mean, I want to go to the extremes of life and all factors. Right?

[Janelle]

And.

[Keith]

And that's just how I'm built. And so that's how that happened. It wasn't. I was just looking for six or however many was. They kind of just came, and we organized it to have a business around it. So we did retreats and so forth as well. But products. Products.

[Host]

Interesting.

[Janelle]

But it was it.

[Keith]

It.

[Janelle]

Cause. So, okay, so what happened was from the retreat, that's where they kind of started coming together, right? And there was. And Keith was like, hey, you know, I think this is a good look. And I was like, I don't think this is a good look. And he was like, no, no, no. Like, listen, you know, he's like.

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[Janelle]

These things, these girls, we come together, we work. And he's like. And you can. You can like, manage them, you can run them, you know? And I was like, not manage them, but, like, manage the operations. And I was like, okay, well, let's just see, you know? So then he started. He's like, let me get things going. So he started, you know, cultivating. Yeah, it was what, like a year? You lasted about a year, a little bit more.

[Keith]

But I managed to, like, kind of like we had a team meeting every. Every week. Okay. And it was the things that we were building. So my. My idea is not just to be intimate with the person, is to be. Is to be in creative mode. Like, we want to create opportunities, we want to build because we're dealing. Talked about sex magic earlier. We're dealing with the most powerful energy we possess. Right. So it's more than just getting off on each other, indulging in each other. It's. It's. How can we build something and create something? So that's the dynamic of here.

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And. And this is what makes this alchemy so, so special.

[Host]

That's powerful. Yeah. I think when. When you hear polyamory, like, it gets portrayed in a negative manner sometimes, you know, through all these television shows and the traditional media, like, how many girl.

[Janelle]

Like, did girls have each. People are always thinking, how many girls which night? Like, what was happening? How did the dynamics work? Yeah, you know, because people go there immediately. And I think that's because people understand women, and women were very. Women are insecure and they have a hard time sharing.

[Keith]

Well, but there's a bottom line to that too, though. It's like when it comes down to sex, a lot of people are very immature.

[Host]

That's true.

[Keith]

So we have to mature, evolve around the. The text so we can actually expand and take some of this knowledge and information in. That's my.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why do you think people are so immature about it?

[Keith]

I think it's because the exploration of it, you know, it's like, it's so taboo. Everyone's kind of, you know, it's like poker. You're kind of holding your hand, you don't show it right away.

[Host]

It's like a lot of shame, right?

[Keith]

Yeah. It's like even, like breathing is the basic fundamental you talk about when intimacy. A lot of people are not even breathing, so they're not really. When you talk about presence, my definition of presence is your intelligence. You're not even there. You're actually with the corpse in that sense when they're not participating in the deal. So it's an awakening to that and to realize, okay, my body is shut down. How can I open it?

[Janelle]

Yes. Yeah, I think that's a huge part of that, is what you said, Keith, is that when you're dealing with these women, you're dealing with women who are not whole in a sense where they're shut down in their body because of shame, because of trauma. And women just feel like, I don't have to deal with that. I don't even have to. I can just put a band aid over it and it's just going to magically get better. But they don't. And then they say they don't trust men. Well, they don't trust themselves.

[Keith]

Well, they don't, you know, the mishandling of men. And so that's where they've been. And that equates to the trauma you're talking about. So it's. It's coming into that guidance of, okay, what am I going to do with you? What are we going to do together?

[Janelle]

Having those. What we call in our retreats having those adult conversations? Like, we ask these questions and people don't ask that. They'll go meet someone at bar or swipe on them, go have dinner. Oh, what was your favorite? Hot. Like, the questions they ask are not important. Right.

[Host]

Surface la.

[Janelle]

Surface level. Have sex, roll around for a few times. No one's orgasming. He's finishing in three minutes. She's upset and happy. You know, she's being prematurely penetrated. And then it's over. And they swipe again.

[Keith]

Yeah. We suggest 150 questions before you're intimate with someone.

[Host]

Whoa, 150.

[Keith]

And it's not that you have to nail the 150 down, but it's like the two or three questions that you do answer or ask, you can reflect from the standpoint of do you even know the person?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And so the expectation of not even knowing the person and then to see the result, well, then there you go. That's. How do you expect more?

[Janelle]

I think another thing that's big that people are always asking about Keith and I and why, like, we. We've worked so well together because we have a conscious understanding of the dynamics. Like, I create. And then he shows up. I used to joke and be like, I fill a retreat, I bust my ass. And when you go to a retreat, everything is thought of head to toe down to, like, Name cards, everything.

[Keith]

She is a Virgo too, now.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Janelle]

So I am attention to detail. I want. You're paying good money. I want you to have a great experience. And everyone does.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

And then I say, he shows up, takes his shirt off, sits there, and everyone's, keith, Keith, we love you. The women love him, the men love him. I'm like, I did all the work.

[Keith]

But no, I would just take my shirt.

[Janelle]

No, I'm being facetious. But, like, he has his consciousness, his presence. It is coveted and it works. And so we know we play our roles well and we understand those. And I'm not, like, fighting with him. And when. Sometimes we have disagreements, and when we do, he's always honestly right in the end. Okay, he's always right. But women won't admit that.

[Host]

Yeah, I'm shocked right now.

[Janelle]

And we're in what you would call maybe like a spiritual relationship. I don't really know what you'd call us, but it's like. And I like people soulmates, in a way. There's something about us that brings us together and that works. And people are like, what's the extent of the relationship? Well, you'll never know. And it's none of your business anyway. And I like to keep it that way. But the bottom line is, a woman will never admit term, husband or man, that she's wrong.

[Keith]

Facts.

[Janelle]

And I had no shame in doing it. Sometimes I might do my little dance, but then I'll come back and I'll be. We have this one picture of us hugging after the fight, remember? Because we had a breakthrough and it worked. And then people want. They want sex, they want orgasms, they want money, they want love. But they won't surrender. The women won't surrender to get there. How do you think I have 20, 22 orgasms? Or 8 to 10 minute orgasms? Because I'm like, fuck you. I'm right. I'm doing what I want. You serve me. It's like, no, I say, you know what? I'm right. And I tell people, sometimes Keith drives me nuts. But he's always right. He always shows up. He cares about me, he loves me, and he wants the best for me.

[Keith]

Yeah. Because the body cannot lie. So when it's in that restriction like that, yeah, he's gonna be just stuck. And there's nothing you can do to penetrate. When you break down the concept of intimacy, it's into me. I see. It's the lowest of you to come into me.

[Janelle]

And so it's penetrating the physical.

[Keith]

Just. Yeah.

[Janelle]

It could be verbs, the mind, the emotions, the spirit.

[Keith]

And that's the knowledge. I like to advocate for men to, to get to, to understand what are we doing together, you know, what are we creating together? And that's something that a lot of men are missing that point 100%.

[Janelle]

They are lost in the sauce. They're the sheep. And then they're trying to lead a stallion. Because women can be stallions, right? We're crazy. Like the last night we were watching the rodeo, we were just like enthralled. And it's like, you can't be a sheep and tame a stallion. I'm a stallion. Sometimes I need a man to say, no, this is what I think we should do. We should do yeah, and take the lead. And he does that. And the other thing that you were talking about, the women closing and all this, how many? How many? Ask yourself. A lot of y' all are married. You have partners, you have, oh, lovey, he buys me this, he said, sends me a good morning text. He tells me he loves you. He buys me this, he does. Takes me on vacation. That's how I know he loves me. How many of you can say that you've consciously breathed with your partner, Just breathe. And had an ecstatic orgasmic experience? Just breathing. I have that every time we do a retreat.

[Host]

Just from breathing.

[Keith]

Just breathing.

[Host]

What, you could have an orgasm from breathing?

[Keith]

When you define orgasm, what is orgasm?

[Host]

You know it's a dopamine release, right?

[Keith]

It is a dopamine release, but it's also just breathing. It's just a. It's the sensation after that is, is it's an opening up and expansion to like what is.

[Host]

Right?

[Keith]

You know, it's presence. It's all these different dynamics that come together to give you that concept of what you call orgasm. That's why I can. It doesn't have to stop. It could be continuous. Wow.

[Janelle]

There's multiple types of orgasm. There's like 12. And there's another, more. But it's like the concept of like presence is what women really want. If you can't do that and be vulnerable, if you can't sit and breathe and connect hand to heart or in yam yum, that is, that is more pleasureful than sex. Because sex is just like he said, Isaiah's like two blow up dolls using each other to master like masturbate. And it's like no one's really there. It's just genitals rubbing on genitals. And like, I don't know why this isn't working.

[Keith]

Yeah, you know, because a lot of women, they keep their orgasm in their minds and they live in their heads. So for the man, you have to break through that.

[Host]

Wow.

[Keith]

Release the body.

[Host]

Yeah. There's a lot of stats on how. Yeah. Women don't orgasm at the same rate as men, right?

[Janelle]

Oh, it's 70. It's 70% of women only orgasm through clitoral stimulation, which is the same way a man orgasms. And which is turning, get this plot twist is turning men, women into men. Think about it the same way you climax through as you know it, which is, it's this. It's not. Orgasm and ejaculation are separate. But as the most masses know it, the same way they're called orgasming is the same way. 70% of the women on the planet experience orgasm. Up and then down, energy up and then loss. We're literally masculine. We're making women into men because of how they've been taught to climax.

[Keith]

And not just how they've been taught, how men have misled them to climax too. So men, as you're intimate with the woman, you, you're speaking affirmations into her mind to what you want to do with her. What, why are you opening her up? And so then also contact with other parts of her anatomy, her breast, that's what we want her to be in our heart. She orgasm first in her heart space. Really? If you're tasting her breasts, you can, you can taste her lactating before she gets into the full body. Orgasm.

[Host]

Wow.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

That's why we do. If you see our work, it's hand to heart. So that's a orgasm right there. Just that the. Listen, the studies have showed the heart map, Heart, heart, Hand to heart, Math Institute, I forget what it is. Brain Heart Institute, they talk about just putting the hands on the heart. What that does, it instantly creates dopamine.

[Host]

Really?

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Host]

Like you put your hand on, just on your own, on your own.

[Janelle]

So imagine when your partner in Shiva does it. His presence, his calming. Because remember, I'm chaotic, I'm going. So he does this. It's like someone gives you a Xanax. You instantly just melt. You can't not surrender right to that moment. That is like a drug. Because once you have it, then you try to have connection or intimacy or sex with an average man. You're like, this ain't it, you know?

[Keith]

So when you redefine the concept of orgasm now, it changes the whole perspective. Now you by redefining it, say it's your breath, you know, it's your breath. And so now it takes out the concept of your limitation of I can't. Because you're breathing. You can breathe now. Breathe with me. Connect with me.

[Janelle]

Let him lead the breath.

[Keith]

That's a different dynamic.

[Janelle]

So, like, the very source of your life is contingent upon him telling you, when the next breath comes, are you.

[Keith]

All in a suit to listen and lute?

[Janelle]

Yes. A search of the breathing. So he guides the breath. I don't breathe till he tells me how many women.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

So I trust him. He might be holding a long breath.

[Host]

I'm like, holy crap. So you're controlling her breath?

[Keith]

Well, it's integrated breath retention. We do it already in the breath. Work concepts, you know, and things like that. So it's like you just. But you're. You're allowing yourself to participate with me. Yeah. So it changes the whole dynamic from.

[Janelle]

Physical to a spiritual to spiritual to energetic and emotional and a mental. Because for women, it's so much more. You know, I say this all the time. Men need sex to warm up to the idea of intimacy. Women have to connect. They need intimacy before they can warm up to sex. So when you're trusting a man to open you, breathe with you, guide your breath, tell you when you can breathe, then you're. You're on his time line. So then he's like, I'm like, he's a Leo. He wants to be creative. I'm going to take you places and then you go with them. But women today, I'm a boss, babe. I don't want this. I want my Birkins. I want my dog and my cat.

[Keith]

I'm not.

[Janelle]

I don't need a man. It's like, good luck. And you might look aesthetically good, but I can tell by looking at your skin that you're not orgasm.

[Host]

She's not glowing.

[Janelle]

She's not glowing. Because if you're not glowing, you're not climaxing. And again, we know that roughly 20 some percent of women don't climax at all. They don't orgasm at all. And under 10% are like me. Full body. All 12 just cry. Remember you used to say psalm? You guys orgasm too much.

[Keith]

Yeah, because then you'll be numb in.

[Host]

The genetic lottery, huh?

[Janelle]

But it's okay because I'm the genetic lottery.

[Host]

You learned it.

[Janelle]

We worth it. Sometimes people, different water signs are more predisposed to have an easier time of reaching that a little bit. Because water flows, earth's more grounded. Air and fire typically can be harder. But we train for this. It's like, you train for the NFL, people think they're like, oh, like, I didn't just wake up like this.

[Keith]

And the expectation of people knowing to the depths of what Janelle knows. It's not about that even. It's just getting to understand bits of it to advance your practice. Because when you begin to apply some of these things we're talking about now, you begin to open yourself up, open the concept of what you're doing with your partner up. And so then you'd be like, okay, well, what else can we do? Yeah. You know, you can compound upon that. Right. That's too. That's why it's a practice. You keep going to it and expanding. Yeah.

[Host]

When you were in the NFL, did you view sex as just a physical experience?

[Keith]

Yeah, it was just dominating. Yeah. That's the mentality you have to play or have to play in that game on that level. Dominate. I was a linebacker, so that's the only mentality you had to have, you know?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

Which for the dynamic of relationship, it's like. It's like in the. Since we mentioned bdsl, you can't just smack the worm. You got to rub it out when you hit it early on.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

So in dominating, you had to have some kind of understanding of where we're going, you know, some kind of finesse, even. You know, you just. Maybe it's verbiage. Maybe it's a touch. Learn to touch. A lot of men don't know how to touch.

[Janelle]

That is correct.

[Keith]

You know, is learning the language of touched. And sometimes it's rough, sometimes it's soft. It's a combination of it.

[Janelle]

Because women need. We need both. We need all of it because we have different sexual archetypes. Remember 50 Shades of Gray? There's a reason why that nonsense went so crazy. Because women. It's nonsense. Have you watched it? Watch both of them, and they keep getting worse. The more that you make, it's like. The worse it gets, but it's like a fantasy. It's an escape to be taken, to be ravished, to be explored, to be dominated, to be controlled, but then sometimes to also be, you know, a little while to be like, you know, all of these things. It's. It's. It's based on the chakras. It's not fudgeing. Rocket science. I call them sexual archetypes. I have a quiz. You can say you can see which ones are more dominant in you. So it's like the concept. It makes sense because women have different sexual archetypes based on the first four chakras. Inside of those, we also have shadows, meaning the imbalanced side, which is why the BDSM play is fascinating. For someone like me who had a kind of a very intense traumatic past, it's kind of exciting to be with someone who's like, I'm going to take you there. But I also have you, like. And it's like healing, you know, and it's just. I'm sure you've.

[Keith]

Yeah. Because a lot of times in the dynamic, most women don't recognize the power that they do have. So in the bdsm, it's a practice to discover what this power looks like and how it manifest. So in the BDSM concept, it's like the man who's always. It was typically physically the dominant one. Yeah. Now you have to be submissive. And now the woman who's typically the submissive, now she's the dominant. So now you feel what that looks like. You feel like you feel the vulnerability of what that looks like. Yeah. She could, with words, cut you how. With her physical being, she could put you in a compromised situation. And so now you begin to understand the knowledge of, like, okay, well, this is a serious thing. This thing needs to be handled with. With kind of presence, a real understanding. Or it can be traumatic.

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And so it just learns us the opportunity of how this engagement, what it looks like, and how we can do it more constructively.

[Host]

It is interesting. I've had a few dominatrixes on the show, females, and they say business is booming for them right now. There's a lot of simps out there, huh?

[Janelle]

There's so many. I think that. Well, here's. Here's in there. When you have one. One out of every three men under the. From 18 and 30 not in relationships, not having sex on lonely fans. Our most bands. Because we can't say it. I know to be up. We have a crisis. Then you have the single women who want him, they want shiva. Right. And they're the eligible one. We're talking not marrying. Because don't even get me into the married stats. They're actually worse, you know. So then you have 80% of these eligible women who. Who want to date. They either want to date just to. Or they want to date to try to find, you know, their shiva.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

But they're sleeping with the same pool of men. They have to understand that the top.

[Host]

20 guys are 20 guys.

[Janelle]

Because you have to understand those other men are at home jerking off the lonely fans. They're not in the dating market. And I keep telling women this, they're like, you could do better. No, you can't. The numbers just don't align. I'm not saying you can't energetically shift stuff because if anyone can do it, I can fucking do it. But the point is, like, we have to start being like, more realistic on like staying with the partner you have, working it out. Remember? Because we encounter people who come to our retreats all the time. That. And we have singles and couples and keep it that way on purpose. We want people to see both sides of the grass. Right. Because we have couples who come and we had this one woman and her husband who came and he had cheated on her. And for like 30 years, she held that in.

[Host]

She looked 30 years terrible.

[Janelle]

And I'm not as cause you know me. I do not sugarcoat. She looked like. Like a raisin. She forgave to forgave him in this exercise we did. And it took.

[Keith]

You could tell she was holding it, though.

[Janelle]

She was, yeah. But then after she let it go, it's like her face. It's like she got a facelift.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

She's soften. She was like flirting and giggling and it was just like an instant ship. And it's just so this work is powerful.

[Keith]

It works because I think women have to realize men drink, they go to the bar to drink so they can talk to the woman. Right?

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Keith]

You know, a woman in her femininity, she's. She's way more dominant than she can imagine imagine.

[Host]

She's got a lot of power.

[Keith]

Right? She has a lot of power. Now when she gets into that mascara role, she's. The man's looking hers the same. Well, I'm like it the same. Now I can dominate you. Right. And that, you know.

[Janelle]

Correct.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

And the problem is with the. With a lot of men today, they don't have the consciousness of. Of key of Shiva. Because you're. He dealt with like seven women at once. I know he had times when there was like yelling, screaming, crying, people upset. And he dealt with. He still went to tell about it. He seems we'll have a Lorena Baba, honestly. But most men, they want a woman like me who's feminine, who's, you know, highly seductive, who orgasms, who's subservient, who's like all the things that men want. Cook, clean me, you know, listen to me, honor me, worship me, you know, orgasm with me. Check, check, check. Ding, ding, ding. I've done it all. But then when they get a woman like me, they're like, but you're so emotional. I don't understand. I don't know how to deal with this. It's like, what do you mean you don't know how to fucking deal with this? You're shiva. You just be present. Tell me, hey, here's what's happening. I see you, I hear you, I feel you. I am you. Next, you'll calm the storm. But these men aren't ready for these women.

[Keith]

And a lot of responses don't require words.

[Host]

Whoa, that's deep right there.

[Keith]

It just doesn't. You can't out logic the emotion. And so you just have to sit with it and be with it and sometimes even, you know, ignore it.

[Janelle]

That's it. That's what I'm saying. Just say like, uhuh, you know, as you're just in a concert, these men run for the hills. And then they're like, but I want all that stuff. Well, what do you think? If you want an emotionless woman, you basically want a man and you want to buck a mate. And that's what these better men want because they can't handle this. So they'll just go for the beta. The. The women who are essentially men now because it's easier to deal with her. And you know what? Those men get ca frustrated because they are on their knees here, honey. Doing little tick tocks with their wife.

[Keith]

Yeah, those men want to do men. Oh my. Doing the dances on tick tock. Come on.

[Janelle]

It's like, what is that? Would you ever see a man in battle? Like here, honey? Yeah. What am I dressing up as today?

[Host]

Yeah, I can't, I can't respect it if they don't actually like dancing. I can't respect that.

[Janelle]

It's just, it's like, who is, you know, where are the testicles in this equation? And most of the time they've been castrated from the man and reattached to the quote, woman and. Yep. And that's why it's all up.

[Host]

And speaking of testicles massage, testicular massages, what's going on with those?

[Janelle]

Okay, so the testicles are probably the most unappreciated part of a man's body bars. But you have to understand what to do with them. And Keith, you can agree, and you can agree you got two men here, right? Perfectly attached testicles. So you can tell. So the testicles, energetically, is the standpoint of where all the life force, the creation, the presence, everything, the energy, the vital energy sits and that nothing is happening to those. They're just Walking around all day. At least your lingam gets stroked. You get energy put there, whether by yourself or like if you're lucky, you have someone helping you with this. Right? But the testicles, not much happens to them so energetically. You've got to pull those down and release them. And every day I tell men at least 2 minutes, 2 to 3 minutes in the shower. You can do it in the shower because you're already in there. Start from the top, work your way down, and then you can gently go back up. So you're just moving the energy. Not only is it good for, for your sperm vitality, if you don't want kids, it doesn't matter. What happens with women's breasts, when we don't massage them, but they get stagnant, we get breast cancer. Same thing with your testicles.

[Host]

Wow.

[Janelle]

You got to work them, you got to move it. And sexually, men actually do, like when you engage with their testicles, when you massage them while they're, While you're having sex or while you're doing oral or deep throating, if you will, or anything. Reach around and grab the testicles, but watch out for the nails. Make sure that they're good.

[Keith]

The nails are good sometimes too, you're more extreme. The nails are good. But yeah. When you find yourself about to be on the edge of climax, have the woman pull, like slightly pull it down. Yeah, it's. It's a great idea. That works. Yeah.

[Host]

Why?

[Janelle]

Same time, push up on the perineum.

[Host]

Well, what is that? Per. Is that the scrotum or what is. Oh, the anus.

[Janelle]

Yeah, it's okay. Not in the anus. It's between the testicles and the anus that they give the taint. You push that up. So that is like your gas and your brake neck.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Janelle]

You know that.

[Keith]

Well, maybe use the knuckle.

[Janelle]

Use the knuckle.

[Host]

Knuckle, yeah.

[Janelle]

Like, you use enough fingers. Is it better to use.

[Keith]

Well, you, your, your finger may slide a little bit.

[Host]

Okay.

[Keith]

This is some advanced technique here.

[Janelle]

I know exactly where I'm going. But the average person, maybe the knuckle, and you got it. It's not like you gotta, like get in there, you gotta press, because what that's doing. Well, you can explain what it, what, what it feels like.

[Keith]

But were you activating the reflect? The areas for the blood flow circulate, and obviously those create more pleasure too. So you kind of expand a lot of times when I'm on the edge too. You can also massage the crown, the different parts of the heart. As well. Just kind of expects the orgasm.

[Janelle]

Well, you can put it. Send it up. So I try to. After you're done pulling and pressing, pulling the testicles, pressing the perineum, then you release and then you move it up. Of course I'm doing it energetic, but I'm pushing it up to his heart. Especially if Keith has a great heart. But like the average man needs a lot of work in the heart. But then for Keith, since he's so conscious, then you push it to his head.

[Keith]

Wow.

[Janelle]

So wherever focus, attention goes, energy flows, and then you get an orgasm in the head.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Janelle]

Can have multiple orgasms. They can have full body orgasm.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

Heath is a tantra master, which is why I have the utmost respect for him.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

So many men have millions. Who cares? I'm bored already. Bored. Board. Board.

[Host]

Yeah. If I had to pick. If you had to pick between a really good person at sex or someone with millions, that's tough, right?

[Janelle]

Listen, listen, I love. I love. I love first class. I love all the bougie stuff. I'm not gonna lie. Right. The tantras, we believe you can have a all. But I'm picking a man who can control his ejaculation at will every motherfucking time.

[Keith]

So I'm going to pick the million dollars first and then you can go buy a coach.

[Host]

That's a loophole. That's a loophole.

[Janelle]

But yes, I. But. And in the end, I'm picking the million and I'm going to trade him myself. But the concept is, it's so fucking attractive to me when I see a man who I know isn't a slave to his fucking dick or ejaculations. That he controls that. That people are like, alpha man. That. That's enough. You can control your ejaculation at will.

[Host]

That's rare.

[Janelle]

The rest of the man is sitting there losing it every right now in minutes, thousands of people have lost it. Their life force.

[Keith]

And that's the baseline of self worth. You know, loving yourself and understanding what you need and how you want to. Want to live life. It takes a certain level of discipline to. To do, but it's worth it. And also it. It levels up the acts. The act that you're doing. So if I'm with the woman, it makes you want to be there for more love than just recreation.

[Janelle]

Because of the concept. And tell me if this is true for you, Keith.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

Every.

[Host]

Can you get closer to the mic?

[Janelle]

Oh, I'm sorry. I moved. I'm so sorry. Every time we talked, we talked about this before. Every time you ejaculate, you're losing years off your life. Right? We talked about that. So think about this concept. Every time you ejaculate with a woman, with the same woman, with your wife, with your lover, with your baby girl, your boo boo, whatever she is, imagine subconsciously you start not liking her because she's pulling your life force from you.

[Host]

Whoa.

[Janelle]

She is killing you slowly, like killing me softly. She's killing you slowly with drinking your ojas or taking your ojas inside of her. So on a subconscious level, over time, you start to not like her anymore because she's deleting you.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

And people don't think about that.

[Host]

Do you think that's what's going on?

[Janelle]

I know what's going on.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Janelle]

I don't listen. I always say everything. I was telling Keith this earlier. I don't know much. I'm not that intelligent. I'm mildly attractive. And I speak well. And I know a practice that 0.0001% of people on the planet know. That's the only thing I have going for me. Thank God I have that right. But what I do know and understand is the science of sexual polarity and energy. And there's a reason why men are cheating. There's a reason why they're looking for more. Because the women are men. And when they do get sex, they're taking their life force and killing them. And over time, you can't help but subconsciously hate them.

[Keith]

Yeah, but you know, sex is such a magical thing. It's the most powerful energy we possess. It's your prayer. It's your manifestation. It's your creation. And so like everything you're saying, Janelle, I mean, that is the height of our whole evolution as humanity. I believe, because understanding our purpose, our roles to play, and how we can co create together, I think that's what makes this thing so magical. So everything that you're saying that you're brilliant in, that's everything that we need to be. Because we have a saying in the Tantra world, how you show up sexually is how you show up in the world.

[Host]

Yeah. Sexual transmutation. Right.

[Janelle]

I want to see. I can tell. If I see you and your wife together, I can tell you exactly what's going on in your bedroom.

[Host]

Really?

[Janelle]

Absolutely.

[Keith]

How?

[Janelle]

I can see it in how your polarity and how you guys react with each other. How you speak, how the arguments, the looks.

[Keith]

Listens.

[Janelle]

How she listens. How she does.

[Keith]

She looks at you.

[Janelle]

Looks at you. How she with Another with another man's in the room. How she, how she is with you, how she doesn't make eye contact with him. If she talks back to you? If she puts you down?

[Keith]

Yeah, if she.

[Host]

That's crazy.

[Janelle]

She talks about you. I know what's happening.

[Host]

Can you tell if someone's gay?

[Janelle]

Oh, absolutely.

[Host]

If I can look without them talking, though.

[Janelle]

Absolutely.

[Keith]

Really?

[Janelle]

Energy and body language is everything. Non verbals. Communication is 70% non verbal.

[Host]

I feel love.

[Janelle]

That's it. But I don't just read that. I read the energy, you know, and so I know what's going. I know she's not happy. I know she's talking to the tennis coach. I know he's getting it. He's getting pegged by, you know, some. Some chick he met on freaking. Whatever. The sites are now painful because a lot of men are secretly gay.

[Host]

That's facts. Especially in the Christian movement right now I'm seeing it. There's a. We don't have to say names, but there's people getting.

[Janelle]

Who are they?

[Host]

There's people getting exposed. The thing I have with it is like, if you're portraying this super straight person and then you're like, just be open about it.

[Janelle]

But people don't like themselves. Like you said, they don't like who they are.

[Host]

Projecting.

[Janelle]

Yeah, they don't. They can't look in the mirror and say like, I love you. I love my body. And if some women haven't even looked at their yoni.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

They're like you. I'm sure you've. You've dealt with this, Keith, where they don't know it. That's why in my book I have the anatomy of the lingam and the yoni.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

No curiosity. It's like not even a curious idea of it. It's like this, like, fearful of it, you know, and to sustain a relationship, you got to be able to go into those deaths, especially if you want to be in a monogamous relationship.

[Host]

Right.

[Keith]

You got to go to the depths of where this man has been that was there. And if you don't, he's going to be searching for that elsewhere.

[Janelle]

That was something he said this trip that I really listened to. He said, if you want to be with a man, monogamy, and you want him to stay faithful with you, you have to go with him to the ugly places, to the places his fetishes, his desires, his things that he. That makes him who he is. That's a part of his sexual archetype makeup. And you have to be okay with it and not judge him and go with that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

And if you can't do that, he's got to get it elsewhere. Because men, for sex, it's like. Men need sex like they need oxygen.

[Host]

Yeah. If you're gay, the sex probably feels better because isn't your G spot in your ass one?

[Janelle]

You have, you have many. I mean, you have a g. Yes, you have a G spot in your ass. And an anal orgasm is. There's no orgasm like the anal or. But I mean, okay, listen, it's very different. The uterine orgasm is the climax. Climax of all orgasms. It literally change. It takes you to God. I get you some God.

[Host]

I haven't experienced it yet, so I need to. Need to look. That's where it happens. Yo, what's going on here?

[Janelle]

Show you how. We show the diet. We do it all but the anal orgasm. That's why people love that post so much, I think is because it's such a release of like, it's a pan of value. It's the downward moving energy. And women sometimes. I probably am due for a dose of it right now. I've been going through a lot. I need someone to just get in there and fucking release that shit so I can heal. But when you have that, that type of energy, it's not feminine. It's different. It is. I think it pushes you into it pushes the energy back up. It takes you out of the masculine. But it's not a feminine orgasm. Where the cervical and uterine orgasms, those are deeply feminine because they're inside the cervix in the uterus and it builds and it expands and it like opens you up. Does that make sense? The one in the anal orgasm is more of like an explosion. And it's like they say those anal retentive women, like someone they just need to get fucked in the ass and she won't be a bitch anymore. Right?

[Keith]

Yeah. But I like to go even more because a lot of times we're so ashamed of what we want and what we like. We don't want to say it. We don't want to like let the person know it. And that's kind of bizarre to me. I don't know if it's a shame that we have around us. That's one of the things we cover. Yeah, we covered that in our retreat, like the first day. So it's like we have to move beyond that shame.

[Host]

Yeah, guys have a lot of shame in the butt area. Yeah, right.

[Keith]

Yeah, I'd imagine. But like from that Standpoint, but, like, it's. Whatever it is that you're into, like, let it be known this is the partner that you're choosing.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

So if you're going to go there.

[Janelle]

With her, you got to tell it truly.

[Keith]

Go.

[Host]

I mean, dude, I just watched the Diddy documentary.

[Janelle]

I can't wait.

[Host]

Yeah, he was into some stuff.

[Janelle]

Men like that. Listen, if you like. This is what I think. I'm curious to hear your point of view.

[Keith]

Okay.

[Janelle]

Men like prostate play because it feels good.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

I personally don't think that makes them gay. I don't think it would be there if it wasn't meant to be explored. Now, if that is an obsession, like, it's what you have to have all the time, then I would maybe question it. But if it's. It's another layer of pleasure, then I don't think there's anything wrong with it. And it's a woman and it's not a man.

[Host]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Janelle]

Like a finger or something like that. Or tongue or. I. I think that. Personally, I think it's. It's not fair that I have 12 different ways I can climax and you only have one. You have two. Why can't you explore that second wood? And I think women should, you know, maybe put a tongue there. Put a finger there. Ask. Ask first, right?

[Host]

Please.

[Janelle]

Yeah, please ask. Don't just jam a finger in his ass. That way. You might get hit and then it's your fault. On it. No, we don't condone violence, but I think it is very. Pleasure. It's their G spot. But I do think that there's a whole nother layer that is just. It is just gay.

[Host]

Yeah, for sure.

[Keith]

I'm with you.

[Janelle]

I don't know the line. It's a thin line, right?

[Keith]

Pleasure. There is pleasure with that kind of play. It's just understanding your edge, your level.

[Janelle]

I have a question for you. So this was really good. Tell me what you think about this. He was saying to share those things, that you want those desires with your woman. And I agree with you. If you're with your wife and you can. Or your girlfriend, long term, whatever. You know, some people aren't married and you can't tell her what your sexual fantasies are. You pick the wrong. Why are you with her? Yeah, but then my question is, why do you think that some men won't tell the woman or the wife, but then they'll tell a girl they meet online? Like me. I've heard them all. Stop telling me y'.

[Host]

All.

[Keith]

I think we can I think a lot of men can wanna love their partner too much and they. That's how they become roommates. Yeah, you gotta keep that edge to it because they want that, they desire that. Now, there's a lot of things that we have upfront that we favor the most. Like, we want our relationships to be this way, but, like, there's a reason why we also breed chaos consistently, because we also want that too. It's like life is not like a Chinese menu. We can't just pick and choose happiness. It's like we get all of it, we get none of it. So we keep cultivating the same results because we are in denial of what we're really looking for. So, yeah, that's the temple.

[Janelle]

So we talk about, like, temple night. Temple night. Temple night in your house. So what we recommend is number one. I'll let you get into that more, but we recommend that you have the questions. Also a rule book. Keith, he created one, I created one. He's in the NFL for a decade. He's about to be inducted. So he had a rule book for what you did, right? I had a rulebook for this. There's a rule book for giving birth. There's a rule book for podcasting. Why is there not a rule book for intimacy and sex? We created it, but we want you to also create that in your own relationship. So it's like your 10 commandments of your relationship and it's no one else's fucking business. But if you don't have that from the start, you're going to fail. But the other thing you need, according to the Kama Sutra, is you need variety. You need what we call, like, temple night. And so that's a concept that we take in our relationships. But also we're integrating into the retreats now because we've had. We've done so many. We have enough level ones. We're going to do the level two.

[Keith]

Yeah. So you can actually showcase some of the things that other people are into that you never thought about.

[Janelle]

Like, give us some examples.

[Keith]

Keith Body.

[Host]

What's up?

[Keith]

You know this Japanese rope tie.

[Host]

Rope tie?

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Host]

Okay.

[Keith]

It kind of talk about. It kind of expands the. The. The. The fourth place.

[Janelle]

So you're tied up.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah. So no hands.

[Janelle]

The man ties up the woman. And let me tell you, for the first few years of the retreat, I never did it because I was always doing other stuff. And then one year I was like, I'm going to try it. You know, just. We had a big group and I was like, why Is this. Why am I so turned on? Crazy? Because you feel like. I just feel like I have to do anything. I can surrender. So Shabbar is one. We do other things. We do some crazy tantric rituals and things.

[Keith]

Tantric massage.

[Janelle]

Tantric massage. Some Kama Sutra practices, even some sensation.

[Keith]

Play with the flogger.

[Janelle]

Like, some of the little bit.

[Keith]

Some of the pain. A little bit of pain.

[Janelle]

So we're gonna go into that retreat. A little bit of mini bdsm.

[Keith]

Yeah. Because there's a fine line between pleasure and pain, you know?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And sometimes the pain concept is just unexplored pleasure. It kind of evolves into a pleasure for someone.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

You kind of expand into that. And so people see different things. It's like, oh, well, maybe I'll try that and see what. I'll see what happens.

[Janelle]

You don't eat the same thing every day. You don't go to the same movie every day. You don't listen to the same music every day. You don't go to the same vacation every day. People would say you're boring and predictable. Why are you having sex the same way? Every missionary with the lights off over three minutes. She's also happy. He's mad at you because you are killing him. The end. And then Ritz. It repeats.

[Host]

Relatable. Sadly.

[Janelle]

But.

[Host]

Yeah, I gotta get. I gotta get to your guys. Love it.

[Keith]

But then also that mountain, it's like a malnourishment. And so that's one of the things that just begins to deteriorate. Who we are as humans. Yeah. We want to be in that creative flow. That in. In how it shows in your face and your being. That's what keeps us alive. That's what makes life worth it.

[Janelle]

This is a great question. When, like, with certain women, you. You want your man to feel filled up when he's done making love with you, not depleted. Because if you're having sex and you're not practicing semen retention, you're feeling depleted.

[Host]

Oh, yeah. Knockout.

[Janelle]

It's. You're done. Even if you had a great time and it was pleasureful in the next, when you wake up, you've forgotten about it.

[Host]

I don't know how guys do back to backs, like, for real.

[Janelle]

Well, Keith can show you guys.

[Host]

You got to teach me that. Some guys do, like, three. It's insane to me.

[Janelle]

Yeah. Controlling. I mean, Keith is the man. So he.

[Host]

Well, he's not finishing, so that makes sense. Right? I'm saying, guys, that. Finished and gone.

[Janelle]

I mean, I think you could do the Same. Right. Well, you're older now.

[Keith]

It'll take about 30 minutes together.

[Host]

That's pretty good.

[Keith]

But, you know, that's what you. Why you need a physical activity. You gotta. You gotta work out, you gotta.

[Host]

Right.

[Keith]

Testosterone needs to be up, you know, and that requires, you know, heavy weights, you know, squat rag, bench press. Yeah. Push ups. So that. That keeps you in the game like that.

[Host]

Okay.

[Keith]

And my teacher, you know, he was 86. Six. Holy.

[Host]

His last child, he was having sex at 86.

[Keith]

Doctor.

[Janelle]

Doctor saving.

[Keith]

Doctor Savi was your teacher?

[Host]

No, I had his grandson on the show.

[Keith]

Dr. Sabi was a teacher. And I'm like, I don't want to have kids at 86, but I still want to be in the game.

[Host]

That dude's a legend, I always say.

[Janelle]

This is like Dr. Sabi Junior.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

I've been to his home like 25 times.

[Host]

Wow. Yeah, wow. That's awesome. You got to learn from him. That dude changed the world.

[Keith]

Changed the game.

[Host]

Yeah, he changed the game. I know him mainly for the diet stuff. I didn't know he touched on. On this stuff too, though.

[Keith]

Lifestyle. He had 22 kids.

[Host]

What?

[Keith]

Yeah. So his, his, his. At 86, he was. He had a 2 year old and his oldest was 60.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's impressive, man.

[Janelle]

Impressive.

[Host]

That is super impressive.

[Janelle]

I think just picking. Picking a woman who, after you do have sex with her, that you feel fulfilled. Right. Have you ever thought of that? Like, I feel full.

[Keith]

Well, that goes to a question I have for you. Like, do you think women really, these days, really are into sex?

[Janelle]

No, I think they're. They're not. They're into what sex can bring them.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

Which is the money, the bling, all the fun trips, the surgeries, the makeup, the clothes, the. Everything they can put on the gram. So they do it because they know it's. I think all women today are basically prostitutes. Even if you're married, you're a prostitute in a way.

[Keith]

But even if you're a prostitute, can you still be into sex, though?

[Janelle]

I don't think most women are into sex, to answer your question. Yes. I think that people like Bonnie and all those. I think they're into it.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

Because there's some exception. There's exceptions. I'm into it. I want to have sex or else I. I would have been retired by now because I would have picked rich guys that wanted to marry me.

[Host]

I'm sure you got offered.

[Janelle]

Yeah, that part I'm not so smart on. But we won't talk about that now. But at the end of the day, I don't think women are to sex. You're right, Keith. They're not. They're in it to kind of to. To. To satisfy your itch so they can get what they want, but in the end, they don't want to have it. They want to get the marriage bill so that they can get the. The bag secured. Pop off the child so they can get the bag secured and then they're retired. It's like you, Keith. They're retired from the league.

[Keith]

And. And then you go to Brazil because I.

[Janelle]

Then you go to Brazil and the passport grows.

[Host]

Get the stem cells.

[Keith]

Well, I first Brazil. I went to Brazil in 90.

[Host]

Oh, for the ladies.

[Janelle]

For the ladies. Didn't go for the stem cells too, though.

[Keith]

I went to Mexico for that. But Brazil in 99 is the first time I went.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And like, if you want to know what a woman like, really, I've heard stories. Sex.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

You go to Brazil. Oh, my God.

[Host]

They're the best at having sex over there.

[Keith]

I mean, it's just. They're into the passion. Like, you don't see that in America.

[Host]

Hell, no. They're just laying flat. Right.

[Keith]

It's just. It's just like. I have a friend.

[Janelle]

Shout out to John, thank you for being here with us. We love.

[Host]

He's from Brazil.

[Keith]

Well, no, he. He went to Brazil with me for the first time.

[Host]

Oh, God.

[Janelle]

Supporter of us.

[Keith]

And I introduced him to a few women there and I don't think his life would be the same. And John is. He. He has. He. He gets women. Yeah.

[Janelle]

Yeah.

[Keith]

You know, but to be with a woman like this and to fill with suit.

[Host]

That's wifey.

[Keith]

Yeah. Like.

[Host]

Yeah, that's wifey changes.

[Janelle]

It's a whole different concert. And you're right, it's not just laying there. The thing is women, it's in my book. I. It was like monkey see, monkey do. Women just do what they have seen because they've never been taught.

[Keith]

Right.

[Janelle]

So it's just like. Like the groans, then they're looking how much longer?

[Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Janelle]

That's what's happening. If a woman's really into it, she's like pulling you in.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

She's touching you. She's not just keeping it. Like her hands are moving because that's how. What. How she likes. She wants to be touched. If a woman is pulling her hands off of you when you're her, she ain't into you.

[Keith]

Damn. You think that's the consequence of women watching?

[Janelle]

I think. I think that it could be a huge part of it, too.

[Keith]

I think so.

[Janelle]

And because with women and we talked about being gay and it's in. And the reaching so many people's lives and that it is. It is a mass agenda to make the world gay. Notice the shot they always show is a few minutes of foreplay and then they show the cum shot. But what's the. The main thing people fast forward to is the penetration, where all you see is the balls and the. And the lingam.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

But you really see the balls more than anything.

[Host]

Way more than anything.

[Janelle]

That is. They're trying to make you gay, bro.

[Keith]

Yeah, I get.

[Janelle]

You're welcome.

[Keith]

I believe that.

[Janelle]

You're welcome.

[Host]

I could see that.

[Keith]

Yeah. Damn.

[Host]

So Brazil is the. The place to go.

[Janelle]

Brazil's the place to go.

[Keith]

Well, at least if you want to go and you say you, oh, I want to be married. At some point, you can know what it looks like to make love to. Yeah, that could be interesting.

[Janelle]

You can know what it looks like to be married to a woman who's going to take your kids after she divorces you and makes you pay to see them. Then you know what it's like to make love when you go to Brazil.

[Keith]

Maybe we do that first.

[Janelle]

Oh, my God.

[Keith]

Oh, man.

[Janelle]

Sean looks depressed right now. He just got married. Oh, well, you know, this wife's great, though.

[Host]

Yeah. We could train her, right? She's Latina, so she has it in her somewhere.

[Janelle]

And I still have her a box for her. I gotta get that sent out.

[Host]

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[Janelle]

I was waiting for some stuff.

[Host]

I got some fun topics here. Okay. So. Yeah. Should we touch on that first or whatever. I did want to ask about condoms, but.

[Janelle]

Oh, condoms, yes.

[Host]

You don't believe in condoms?

[Janelle]

He's gonna disagree with me on this because he goes to Brazil, but I don't agree with condoms, and here's why. All right. Energetically, everything has a frequency. You know, you have crystals and stuff everywhere. Right. The frequency in this room is great because you've created that. The frequency in your body is great. You've created that. Same with me. That's the vibration that we operate on if I have sex. First of all, I don't go into places where I can't control the frequency. This is why I have a hard time walking through the casinos. I'm getting better because I'm. I'm a healer. I'm an empath.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

But it's hard for me because I'm.

[Host]

Like, oh, my God, they have blockers in there too. They have blockers, frequency blockers.

[Janelle]

Do they really?

[Host]

They don't want psychics to be able to win the games.

[Janelle]

I feel that because.

[Keith]

What?

[Janelle]

Oh, thank you, Sean. I didn't know that. I was like, why do I feel so not in control when I do that? Thank you.

[Host]

Yeah. They have them all over the casino.

[Janelle]

Now I know why I don't like being in them.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

So. Because it's blocking.

[Host]

Yeah. Spiritual people hate Cassandra.

[Janelle]

I hate it. Thank you for sharing. I'm so happy I learned this. But. So I believe that everything that manifests in the body is just a physical representation of an energetic vibration. Right. So if you're sick or it's just something that was in the body, stored. The famous line. Right. Untapped or stored, trapped emotions that need to come out. So it's the same thing with the condom if you're energetically aligned. First of all, I'm not going to have sex with anyone that's not in that same or equal vibration. My mantra every morning is, only energy of equal or high vibration will connect with me. And I shield myself. So I don't want that. So if I'm having sex with someone, I can have sex unprotected because that frequency is not going to penetrate me. I believe that. So I wouldn't. I don't use condoms. I'm allergic to them. And I'm not saying that just to say that, like, I just don't use them. And I've never been on birth control, so. And birth control didn't work on me because I did take the morning after with my son. So I'm a freak, though. But for the average. So I. I don't believe that I could get an sti. Now, I did get an STI once, so I'm contradicting that. But here's why. The point that I was. I had postpartum and it was rough. And people who say it's not real, fuck you, because it is real. But the postpartum became. Because I had. I was the poster child for it. I had. I had a lot of trauma. I was a single mom. I had no support system. That's when you first met me. I was low. So that energy vibration, as much as I was trying, I was low on.

[Keith]

The backside of it. I said, get trade tests, get tested.

[Janelle]

I do think you should just. Just because. What's your experience, Been with condoms and because you've been with. You've only been with 78 women.

[Host]

Oh, 78.

[Janelle]

No. Didn't even watch my reel because we were told to 78 countries.

[Host]

I was gonna say. I thought you'd be in the hundreds. Oh, 78 sounded light.

[Janelle]

It is. That's the joke. That's the joke that he's. I. I would. I would. I'm not gonna throw his dirty laundry out there.

[Keith]

You're throwing me out there.

[Janelle]

I would say it's more than hundreds, but that's just me.

[Host]

Well, yeah. Condoms. They don't feel good. Right. So. But do you use them?

[Keith]

Feel good. But you can trade tests. Get your tests.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And there's some. There's some good brands of condoms you can use too.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Janelle]

Lambskin and some from Whole Foods. Okay. That they have some. And the average person should. Should definitely use them.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

Too.

[Host]

Yeah. If you're hooking up with a one.

[Janelle]

If you're in Brazil and things like that, probably use it. You use them, Right.

[Keith]

Yeah, of course.

[Janelle]

You got all the time.

[Keith]

I mean, there's some. Some cases that I'm familiar with the person. We have more of a talk about this.

[Janelle]

This is my question. You. He. Keith doesn't give his semen to every person when he does eject.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Janelle]

He doesn't always.

[Keith]

I don't think everyone deserves it.

[Host]

Do you think there's an energy transference?

[Keith]

Of course it is. And so I don't want to give that energy to everyone.

[Janelle]

Right.

[Keith]

Even though I'm having sex with her or I'm not sure what I want to do with her yet, you know, so that's a. That's a really intimate.

[Janelle]

It's an imprinting.

[Keith]

Imprinting.

[Janelle]

And it's. It's essentially gold. There's. There's two ways the body makes, like, a liquid gold, and that's from the. The breast milk, as he mentioned earlier, and from the ejaculation. And so you're giving that to a woman. You are basically giving her your DNA. Your imprint, your blueprint for life, and you're putting that in her. And if she's unstable, then good luck. Good luck with that.

[Host]

It's crazy. You say that. I was clearing my trauma through, like, hypnosis, and he asked, like, how many sexual partners have you had? And all of their souls showed up.

[Keith]

Wow.

[Host]

So there's a. There's a. I think he called it a soul tie or something. So, like, you're tied to that person, even if it's been years.

[Janelle]

Yeah, there's an energetic. And. And one of my teachers, she's a little out there, and I asked her for the. The copy, the citations because everyone always asks for These. She's like, I can't really tell you, but they say that the. The DNA can transfer into the brain.

[Host]

Wow.

[Janelle]

And you've heard of that? Yeah, I've heard. And I was like. And she's. She's not old, but she's 80. You know, she's older. And she. I was like, really? And she's like, yeah. That's why it's not good for women to have many sexual partners. That. That. It's. It's just like. It makes them literally crazy. It does. So multiple. Say if you have 50 partners, you have 50 DNA swimming around a human.

[Host]

Holy crap.

[Janelle]

You don't think. Why do you think women are. We're crazy enough without all that, so. But if you do have one partner and you're giving her your ojas, then you're also. You're. You're sort of training her to become, like, not your child. Because that's not it. It's like, it's your. It's a part of you. You're training her to be your second brain, your second. And that's what you want for the mother of your child. You want her to think the way you think. So when you're penetrating her and you're giving her her ojas, you're saying, hey, this is what I would do. Right. This is how I would move. You're going to take care of my children. And that's why women go crazy when they start having those really good orgasms and they get a lot of your semen. They're kind of like. They're kind of like your shadow.

[Host]

They're hooked up. Does that matter to you? When you're engaging with a woman? Their body count, how many sexual partners they've had.

[Keith]

It does matter, because like Janelle was saying, it's going to play a part in your relationship. You're going to have to unravel that to get to the actual person, because there's so many layers. I mean, I always say that the woman follows the man, so his things he likes to do, the sayings he says, what she says, you know? And so you're dealing with all these personalities of these individuals, and whether they have the best intention for her or not.

[Janelle]

That.

[Keith]

And so you're taking that on. On top of everything that we just talked about inside of.

[Janelle]

Scary.

[Keith]

Yeah, it is very scary.

[Host]

Yeah. They lie about their body count, too, all the time. Yeah.

[Janelle]

Because people are like, oh, all these red pill guys. I will only be with a woman if she's had under six. I'm like, she's lying, bro. Yeah, she's.

[Host]

You're supposed to multiply their answer by three. I believe.

[Keith]

I think if not more than.

[Host]

More than that.

[Janelle]

Well, just as the stats are showing that even for the virgins, the number is almost the same now. Like, women. As far as. Like, there's. Virgins are obsolete. They just don't exist.

[Host]

I don't believe the virgin statistics. You don't believe that they're saying 20% of Gen Z are virgins?

[Janelle]

No.

[Host]

Woman. No, I don't believe that.

[Janelle]

No, no, no. They're lying.

[Host]

Yeah, I think that's cap.

[Janelle]

But they're saying that. That. That the. The statistics for men is. Is. Is. Is about the same as women.

[Host]

Now, men I could see because men aren't getting.

[Janelle]

Men aren't getting late. I don't believe the women. And then you have to understand that women cheat just as much as men do. I think more personally.

[Host]

Really.

[Janelle]

This is my. Just grow.

[Host]

That's a hot take.

[Janelle]

Listen, I believe they cheat more. We just don't fucking get caught. Yeah, we're just better at it. We're supposed to be multitaskers. Why? We take care of you, we take care of the home, we take care of ourselves, and we take care of children. You don't think we can cover up a cheat?

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

Come on. Damn serious. And especially like, like, I'm loyal. I'm a Virgo. So if I'm with you, I'm with you. But someone with my knowledge, you don't think I could like, cover up one or two cheese?

[Keith]

That's another reason why they show up in the bedroom like that. Because they don't want to showcase what they know. Yeah, because how do they know it? You know, they were introduced to it.

[Janelle]

By man with their tennis coach. What is the thing that everyone plays now that's kind of like.

[Host]

Oh, pickleball.

[Janelle]

Pickleball.

[Host]

Yeah. I would never let my woman get a male physical training nothing.

[Janelle]

Let her get a male anything.

[Host]

Yeah, hell no.

[Janelle]

The only male she should see is the mailman.

[Host]

They've done studies on woman.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

If I was a man, I would clean up shop. Man, I think I should.

[Keith]

What about friends? What about male friends?

[Host]

No, hell no. Unless they're gay.

[Janelle]

A shoulder to cry.

[Host]

Unless they're good. Really?

[Keith]

Because gay. Because your body doesn't. Well, I don't technically get into this, but like, yeah, the body doesn't know your opinion about yourself. Really knows the anatomy, the. The basic. And so now you're going to pick up characteristics that you're Going to have expectations about this man to be this way and is not over here.

[Host]

Okay.

[Keith]

And choosing to be gay.

[Janelle]

No male friends is a dick to ride on.

[Host]

Oh, my God.

[Keith]

Damn.

[Janelle]

Shoulder to crown. You heard it here first.

[Host]

So the biggest reason that's a bar. I'm writing that one down.

[Janelle]

Go through her dms.

[Host]

Go through her shoulder to cry on.

[Janelle]

Pick a woman. Woman who has male friends. You have your cousins. You have your church. You have your girlfriends. Your. Your. You can have so many friends, just not a male.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Host]

The biggest reason woman cheat. I just read the study is the workplace.

[Janelle]

That's. Why do you think that is?

[Host]

They're around guys.

[Janelle]

All the proximity is power. TR said that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And if you. You see them in a. In a light that you don't see. Like, it's. Like it's a untraditional light that you see them in. You see them in perfection. Right? You don't see their flaws at the workplace.

[Janelle]

Also think you're. And this should make men want to boss up and be more like. Y' all think about this concept. If I date. And I'm thinking about it too, y'. All. If I marry a man who can't provide for me and I have to fucking go to work. And I have to go to work and answer to whom? Another fucking man. And I have another man at work telling me when I can pee, when I can eat, when I can text you. My husband. But yet I'm supposed to open to you for orgasm. And I'm supposed to listen to you, but you have me taking orders from.

[Keith]

Another man and then call him a boss.

[Janelle]

Oh, correct. Hi, boss. But I'm supposed to call you daddy.

[Host]

Oh, God.

[Janelle]

So if you can't eat, I'm sorry. I know y' all are. Your men are gonna be pissed at me. But get your bag right before you get a woman.

[Keith]

Oh, it's tough out there.

[Janelle]

Tough out there in the streets. Stuff out there.

[Host]

Why are men so bad at oral?

[Janelle]

Men are bad at oral because. Okay, here's. Here's my plot twist. Men with big dicks are terrible at oral.

[Keith]

Damn.

[Janelle]

You know why?

[Host]

Damn.

[Janelle]

Because they're stallions. They're 1% of the population. I used to tell my ex I love clowning on him a little bit. Sorry, sorry, Isaiah. But he had, like a. Sorry.

[Host]

Called him up.

[Janelle]

Sorry, sorry, Isaiah. And I know he'll see this too on some hunt, because everything we do goes viral. But anyways, he had a huge dick. The biggest I've ever been with in my life.

[Host]

How big.

[Janelle]

He was like Point 001. They used to call him Foot long.

[Host]

Wait, 001.

[Janelle]

So, like, he was in the. He was.

[Host]

Oh.

[Keith]

Percentile.

[Janelle]

He was like. He was up there. I think he was like 12. 12 by, like, whatever, you know, he was huge. So it was hard. It was rough. But that was the other question we're going to talk about. But I used to. And he didn't make money, but I was just. It was sex. He met him in the end. I was like, listen, bro, we broke up because he cheated on me with some. With some lonely fans, girls, some hood rats from Inland Empire. But, yeah, see, I'm. I'm human and I share everything because I'm vulnerable and I. I keep it real. But I told her when we broke up, listen, sweetheart, I know you won't probably be much in life, and that's okay. You'll always be a barber. But I just want you to know at least you're the 1% in one thing, because you have a big dick. So. All right, so guys with big dicks, they don't have to fucking try.

[Host]

They get by.

[Janelle]

They can just go to town because they have a large lingam. They're the stallions. They're the 1% or the 0.1%. Because if you're 9, 9 or bigger. If you're 9 inches, you're 1%. The bigger it gets. It goes 0.01.

[Host]

Got it.

[Janelle]

They're just. Those just. Lingams don't exist, so they don't have to try. Guys with small lingams, like the carrot, in my book, the small, less than five or less, they are really good. They have to be. They have to figure it out because they know they're probably not going to make you climax with their little. Little willie. It's just not happening. So the other reason why men are bad at oral is because of. And thank you very much. They show that they. It needs to look. They're actors. People forget that sometimes. Sometimes people think it's real. It's like, I've been on set, I used to date a director.

[Host]

Wow.

[Janelle]

Like, I would watch it. It was so uncomfortable because they're, like, doing this weird. And then men go in the bedroom because it needs to look like that for camera, right? So then they go and like, A, B, C, D. What are you doing?

[Keith]

I would. I would add to that, though, from the standpoint of do they really care?

[Janelle]

They don't.

[Host]

That's true. That could be a big part of it.

[Keith]

Because if they don't really care about you or, or they don't or care about one's pleasure or the pleasure. But I think it's more like the, the nature of how they feel about the person. Life is how they'll be with the person.

[Host]

Yeah. Some guys like him in oral, but I would say majority don't.

[Janelle]

They don't. And I don't blame them because most women smell like fish.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Janelle]

And why is that anything about that? You, not you nasty women are putting meat and dairy in your body thinking it's gonna smell like watermelon and pineapple. I travel, I don't shower much. I think we talked about this smell because I eat living food freaking foods. I'm putting non acidic foods into my body. That's why I taste like a lollipop every time.

[Host]

And you use the ozone sauna and.

[Janelle]

I use the ozone sauna and I use freaking. You know, I'm about to start douching with the aged urine.

[Host]

Douching?

[Janelle]

Yeah, with the age urine.

[Keith]

What's up?

[Janelle]

So it's like you don't know what douching is?

[Host]

Is that the, the thing in the shower that people have?

[Janelle]

Well, and I'm douching. They used to have like the summer's even. That's another reason why women smell is because they're using synthetic chemicals like, like Summer's Eve and powders and sprays and I'm gonna spray Bath and body works. They're physical chemicals. Heavy metals are just spraying down here. It's like what are you doing? And then you have the, the acidity of the meat and dairy coupled with all those chemicals. It's gonna smell, you know, it's gonna smell. And then I steam too. So I think a big proponent, I'm a big proponent of women being plant based or vegan. And I know for men, you know, I'm middle of the road on that. If you want to eat meat, I think it has to be clean. But I think women are designed to be vegans. You can't put acid into already a sick environment and get a good result. You cannot convince me of that.

[Keith]

What about the protein for women? I think women needing the protein especially as they get older and where they're going to get their. And a lot of the vegan context is not the best.

[Janelle]

The processed stuff, obviously you want minimal of that, but you can get it in other ways. There's many even just with the bee pollen. Starting with that, you can the, the spirulina, the moringa, those are complete protein.

[Keith]

Because I'm seeing women really deteriorate physically. Muscle mass deteriorates challenging because they're not able to recruit so much protein.

[Janelle]

It is. I'm not gonna lie with a lie to you, Keith. That's a hard one. And even for me, I struggle with it because I want to get those gains. I'm in the gym and I'm like working so hard for that. Like shakes, shakes, bee pollen, this, you know, my hemp, everything. It is tough. I'm not going to lie. And I don't necessarily have the best in you. Shouldn't I eat more? The pine pollen is a new thing. It's. It's boosting testosterone. It's amazing. Do you use it?

[Host]

I used to.

[Janelle]

I love the pine pollen. I'm taking the bee pollen. I'm taking. Most of my food is liquids.

[Keith]

I think the best thing people can do is have a consistent detox, like every three weeks. I mean, every three months, something. Yeah. Once a year. At least. Have a consistent detox to cleanse your body.

[Janelle]

The liver we know, has over 500 functions. We were just on with Dr. Ed yesterday and, you know, he sends us all the products.

[Host]

Yeah, I take his stuff, too. Great stuff.

[Janelle]

The best on the planet, by the way, I believe. And I've toured the center. But yeah, so for women, it is tough. You have to do more maintenance. Men, it's a little more easy. I think Yoni steaming on my side can do that.

[Keith]

What is on too? Yeah.

[Janelle]

Seen their testicles?

[Host]

It's just a steamer with water.

[Janelle]

It's just. I'm going to send you one.

[Keith]

Well, the steamer. Explain the steamer. The herbs kind of. They pull up or two. They vapor into your body. Your pores open up with the heat.

[Janelle]

That are directly for the uterus, for the tonality.

[Host]

Oh, that's cool.

[Janelle]

You can create the wet. Wet. You can create the tightness. You can create the. Yes.

[Host]

Wow.

[Janelle]

Women are dry today. Dry Yoni. And why are we putting KY up there? Like, oh, my God.

[Host]

I don't. I don't use lube anymore.

[Keith]

Yeah, Ky, they still.

[Host]

Ky.

[Janelle]

They're using. Do you know, like, I'm in talk with these natural lube companies and they're having such a hard time getting their stuff out there. There. I mean, people are using the regular traditional loot.

[Host]

It's cheap. Yeah.

[Keith]

Coconut oil.

[Janelle]

That's what I do. Yeah, I use coconut or sesame. I love sesame. A lot of our big stuff. But the women also not being dry is a few reasons their diet. The women need to be eating fruit and coconut water.

[Host]

They're dehydrated they're dehydrated.

[Janelle]

It shows. That's why I know they're not orgasm. They're dry down there, but they're also dry here. They're not open. They haven't. They've been prematurely penetrated. We talked about that. The hand to heart. So if you're hydrated, you're going to be wet. If you're emotionally connected, mentally, energetically turned on, you're going to get turned on in the lubrication.

[Host]

Right.

[Janelle]

So that's a huge thing for women. So we took the Kama Sutra because they use animals and like the stallion for men is cool, but for the largest one for women, it's a water. Is a watermelon.

[Host]

They could fit a watermelon.

[Janelle]

No. Okay, so like not a watermelon is an elephant. So for instance, the, the sizing. The groups are animals in the Kama Sutra. So the largest one is an. A stallion for men. Sounds super cool.

[Host]

That's nine plus.

[Janelle]

Yes. But for women, it's a freaking elephant. You don't want to say like your woman has an elephant.

[Keith]

Right.

[Janelle]

It's just Terry. So we tr. I changed it to fruit. So we have the carrot, the banana, the cucumber, small, medium, large, and for the one, kiwi, the mango, the papaya.

[Host]

So they can fit nine in there if they're that size, it's the length.

[Janelle]

Yes. So it's not about fitting because size does matter, right? It's, it's, it's just such a misconception. You want to make love and you want to make love often. That's what brings you the ultimate union. In my book, that's what we call it. If you're not having sex regularly, what the fuck do you have your wife for? Like, what do you like other than the other things? Right. So you want to. And tantrics. We want to have sex a long time because that's what brings us to sex magic, which I think we're going to talk about. But if your size is not right, you can't have sex for a long time. If the woman is small and you're big, they call it like bottoming out. Right. Like the wall, the way in. So we have the sizing is from the entrance of the yoni to the cervix is five, you know, it's the same as the lingam. So say your lingam's five, five to seven, you know, she could be five to seven, but you don't want to be with someone who's nine plus, because what's five Inches gonna do with a length of a yoni? That's nine inches.

[Keith]

Yeah. You were talking about something about pairing couples in that sense, right?

[Janelle]

Yes, The. The size pairing. So it's like they have to match. And I think I have a diagram here in the book. It's like you can. You can go small to small and small to medium, but you can't go small to large. So you can go across or down one, but never because it's just not going to work. And for a man, he wants to, like I've heard before of men who are like, I just can't get in all the way. And I feel like I'm hurting her. And it just. It's not fun, like, for a man. You want to. You want to get in there. Right? So here it is, like. Okay, you see it?

[Keith]

Elephant.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

The elephant is too, the amount of estrogen that women produce for, like a pain blocker in that sense.

[Janelle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

So estrogen's a pain blocker.

[Keith]

Interesting pain blocker.

[Janelle]

So.

[Keith]

So even with that, it's.

[Janelle]

For some. Sometime it's going to hit a little bit because, I mean, you have natural pain blockers when you're giving birth. But I still felt. We called it. I did hypno birthing that. I mean, it works, but it's. They're like pressure waves. That's more than a pressure wave. That's. You feel like you're dying.

[Host]

Right.

[Keith]

Your body.

[Janelle]

You feel like your body's literally like coming out of you. But so it does work a little bit to help release. Because sex should never be painful. And that's the misconception that people have. Oh, it hurts when I have sex with you. That's not normal. Even if you're a stallion. She should be. The estrogen does block some of the pain, but you still want to have a better pairing if you want to have sex. I'm having sex for a couple hours. Like, I don't like, that's. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Keith]

When you're saying women are. Who are saying that because I never heard of that. Right. And I think they're saying that because they don't really want to be with the person.

[Janelle]

I believe that too. Too. I mean, well, would you want to be with 5 inches if. If your yoni wasn't tone and you're feeling all loose and most women have loose yonis because they've never worked it out. They want to look good for the gram and flex, but they've never flexed their yoni.

[Keith]

And all the Acid down there too? Yeah. Mixing. Yeah.

[Janelle]

They want the bbl, but then their yon is loose. It's like what? You got a nice ass, but when you get up in there, you're just like sliding out. That's no fun.

[Host]

We got five minutes left. What do you guys want to close off with here? We'll link the retreats in the video. We got through a lot.

[Janelle]

Honestly, all the biohacking stuff. Like the craziest.

[Host]

Well, you said your craziest biohacking. What? What's your craziest biohacking that you've done?

[Keith]

It's a combination between the EBO2 and the duck flower. The duck flowers. Duck flowers, yeah. That's from Dr. Sebi. It's a nature's version of chemotherapy. And you take it in about 30 minutes. It's just purging mucus out of your body.

[Host]

Wow.

[Keith]

Nine hours.

[Host]

I need to try that. Yeah, it's a.

[Keith]

It's an herbal remedy orchid that grows in the swamp.

[Host]

Oh, it's a flower.

[Keith]

It's a flower and you just eat it whole.

[Host]

Okay.

[Keith]

And about again like 30 minutes, it's just purging nothing but white mucus for about. For a couple hours. White mucus comes out, then it turns green. What Soz into brown.

[Host]

Would you try this?

[Janelle]

As long as there's no hallucinations, I would do it.

[Keith]

There's no hallucination. It's just is purging pure focus. That's why it's L's version of chemo.

[Host]

It's like doing toad. That's psychedelic.

[Janelle]

Do it because I had a nose job. And since I back in 2004, it's my one regret.

[Host]

And I can't tell.

[Janelle]

You can't really tell either.

[Host]

Some of them you could tell.

[Janelle]

You know, I've seen my before pictures. You really can't tell either. So it was a waste of money. But since then I've had a lot of sinus challenges. So I would consider doing it to help. Like open and clear. As long. Yeah. As long as it wasn't like anything hallucinating, I could deal with it. If I went through natural labor, I could get through anything.

[Keith]

You could definitely get through it. But it's not.

[Janelle]

It's not pleasant.

[Keith]

It's not pleasant. You do, you just purge and you dry heave if you don't drink the water. And why. Why it's so good in. In Honduras is because we have thermogenic water. So you chase it with thermal water and it just purges out of your body.

[Janelle]

Right?

[Keith]

Because if you don't, it's just dry heat, so it's just pulling it out of you.

[Host]

And you felt really good after.

[Keith]

Oh, you feel like it's like Avatar. You come out on the other side. Your senses are just heightened.

[Host]

Damn.

[Janelle]

You start with, like, a small dose, or do you have to eat the whole thing?

[Keith]

You just got to eat the whole flour. And so what we would do is have the people peeling pick their flowers. So I have about eight, and so I'm going around to each room.

[Janelle]

Flower.

[Keith]

Pick your flower. I picked the smallest one, but one time, the smallest one put me on my back.

[Janelle]

It was strong.

[Keith]

It broke down. Yes. It broke me down. I did it twice.

[Janelle]

So I remember seeing that video. I was like, it looked wild.

[Keith]

Yeah. Wow.

[Host]

Yeah. We'll link the. The retreats below, your books, below. Anything else you guys want to touch on here? Pretty sure we did. Look at all these.

[Keith]

That's a lot.

[Host]

Yeah. I mean, we didn't talk about Shador, but Shadora Sanders, you got similar treatment to Shadura Sanders.

[Keith]

Yeah, I came through A and M, and I was in two conferences. First team All American, First Team Big 12, First Team Southwest Conference. And so when you don't fit that role that they want you to play, you know, in the scheme of things, you know, the power that be, they blackball you. They kind of put shade on your name. And so that kind of happened to me. And so actually, I always tell this story like, you know, unlike Shador, he got drafted in the fifth round. Coach Kaller called me around the fifth round or so, and he asked me. He's like, I'm thinking about drafting you or this other kid. And because he said, I'm thinking about. I was like, well, you'd be better off taking the other kid. So it's kind of like if Shadur says, no, I don't want to go to the Browns, I'll just.

[Janelle]

Just.

[Keith]

I don't know how I feel about football right now. Just do that. I did that, and so I didn't get drafted. But then later, after the rounds were done, Coach Mike Dicker called, and he's like. He's like, I. I think you can play for me. I don't know why you didn't get drafted, but I think you can play for me. And he says, it was in New Orleans, close to Texas. I said, okay, Coach, and I know who you are. I said, I'll come play for you, because if I can play for you, I can play for anybody. And so I went to New Orleans And I became a starter as an undrafted rookie. Wow.

[Host]

That's unheard of.

[Keith]

And then my second year, I was all pro. First team, all pro. And then my third year, Pro Bowl. Damn. Yeah. And so. And so I really felt his pain from what he went through because when you don't fit that protocol and they don't, they don't. They don't like that.

[Host]

A lot of politics, right? A lot of politics in NFL, it's not skill based.

[Keith]

Yeah, it's not just skill based. It's a lot of, A lot of things. It. They want you to fit like this company narrative.

[Host]

Right.

[Keith]

And if you don't fit this and you're outside their wheelhouse, they want to make you seem like you don't. You're not. You're not one of us.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Keith]

You know, and so that's interesting these days.

[Host]

Yeah, it's interesting because a lot of the guys get PR trained too, that are active and they're super closed off. They have to fit like a company culture, right?

[Keith]

Yeah, a company culture, which is a very interesting experimentation in my opinion, because you take the most dominant, aggressive type men that people perceive them to be and you make them docile with, you know, by, by media training. Media training or just subjecting to like. You can't say this. You can only say this. Right. And then they, they ridicule you for doing it different. Yeah. And so I, I don't, like, I don't obviously agree with that.

[Host]

I'd love to see that change more, not just in NFL, but every sport. I'd love to see the players now. They're starting podcasts, some of them, and it's great to see their perspective on the game. They could talk freely.

[Keith]

But the interesting thing is they still not talking about the real thing, the system of cause.

[Host]

Yeah. They don't want to lose their livelihood.

[Janelle]

Right.

[Host]

Their money even.

[Keith]

Like if you watch that game, and I barely watch football these days, but like Chicago, I mean, not Chicago, but Cleveland left Shador and they went for a two point conversion. Why did you take this guy out the game? He's been bringing you back, right? And they took him out of the game. They fumbled the last play for the version. They lost. Loss. Yeah, it's like, it's very interesting about that. So as a player, you can't do much about it. And so even as these guys who are commentating and talking about these things, they don't speak about it. So it's just interesting play as I see it. And will it change? Who knows?

[Host]

Yeah, yeah. We'll talk more about that on the next episode. But, guys, this was great. I know.

[Janelle]

We gotta come back. I feel like.

[Host]

Yeah, that was an hour and a half. We could have kept going. Honestly, crazy. I don't feel that way when I'm. I usually only do an hour. You know that up.

[Janelle]

So if we would have been on time, we would have.

[Host]

No, you're good.

[Janelle]

Next time we'll come back.

[Host]

All right, check them out, guys. When's the next retreat? You got a plan? February.

[Janelle]

February. Valentine's Day.

[Host]

Cool. So we'll link that tulum. Tulum. Nice. All right, guys, check them out. Peace. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.