Jennelle Gordon: Why Most Women Haven’t Reached Their Sexual Potential | DSH #1613

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Digital Social Hour with Janelle Gordon

Episode: Why Most Women Haven’t Reached Their Sexual Potential (DSH #1613)
Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Janelle Gordon
Date: November 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid and unfiltered conversation, host Sean Kelly sits down with recurring guest Janelle Gordon—speaker, tantra teacher, and intimacy coach—to explore why most women haven’t reached their sexual potential. They dive deep into taboo-breaking topics around feminine sexuality, the prevalence of masculine energy in women, the role of sexual compatibility, tantra, semen retention, intimacy hacks, conscious parenting, and more. Janelle’s personal experiences and bold opinions provide a provocative and educational listen for anyone interested in relationships, intimacy, and feminine power.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Orgasm Gap and Masculine Energy in Women

• Most women only experience one type of orgasm, the "masculine" clitoral orgasm (70%).
  • Janelle: “Every woman has the potential to orgasm, but most women only are experiencing one type… the clitoral is the underdeveloped tip of the head of the lingam for men.” (00:00)
  • She argues that because the most common female orgasm mimics male ejaculation, this has contributed to a rise in masculine energy among women: “The type of orgasm that 70% of women are having is a masculine orgasm, which is why I think there’s more masculine women today.” (00:16, 24:06)
• Full body, implosive orgasms are rare but trainable.
  • Only about 10% of women can have full body/internal orgasms, and Janelle insists this is a skill that can be trained, not just genetic.
    • “That’s not genetic, it’s trained. Anyone can be trained for this type of pleasure.” (22:01)

2. Radical Authenticity and Taboos

• Janelle's lifestyle and public perception.
  • She lives what she teaches, even participating in practices like drinking moon blood and semen, insisting:
    • "People say I do it for the clicks, and I'm like, no. Like, I really live this." (00:46)
  • She was ostracized in Bali for teaching conscious intimacy and shares shocking details about surveillance and sexual restrictions there. (01:08–01:55)
• Stigma and misunderstanding around her work.
  • “What I do is actual healing. I help people in their intimate relationships... and it's still hard for me to understand why there’s so much pushback.” (02:17)

3. Feminine vs. Masculine Roles in Modern Society

• Women are pressured to embody both masculine and feminine roles.
  • "It is tough to do all those things and stay feminine. There's nothing wrong with working…but the chances of you being a high powered CEO and coming home and being highly feminine are just slim to none." (04:42)
• Women’s achievements and sexual polarity.
  • “For a man that’s almost… like, it’s like their lingam goes inside their body when a woman starts flexing about what she’s done, because a man’s role is to protect, provide…” (06:21)
• Sacred partnership and conditional love.
  • “Why do we not forgive infidelity? Why are we like that?... That’s saying our love is conditional.” (09:55)

4. Relationship & Intimacy Challenges

• Sexless marriages and conditional affection.
  • “Today, the population that has the least amount of sex is like married people. They’re having sex once a month. 12 times a year.” (02:53)
• Listening and communication breakdown between men and women.
  • Women tend to communicate to men as they do to other women, which leads to frustration. “A man is wired to… provide a solution. So when you’re saying a bunch of complaining… it just stresses him out.” (14:45)

5. Healing and Sexual Expression with Tantra

• Suppressed throat chakra and sexual suppression.
  • “It’s suppressed expression, unspoken desire, and emotional disconnection… Tantrics had this philosophy that… when you deep throat, that gets activated… that actually can heal trauma.” (15:12–16:15)
• Sound and authentic sexual expression.
  • Most women make “generic” sounds during sex—Janelle challenges women to express more deeply, which leads to more potent orgasms and emotional release. (17:35–19:17)
• Crying, screaming, and long sessions.
  • “I’m crying, I’m screaming… it’s not about releasing shame anymore.… The pleasure is so intense you cry.” (18:48–20:10)
• Full-body orgasms, for men and women.
  • Men can have full-body orgasms, but it requires training to separate orgasm from ejaculation. “It’s possible. The first step of training is understanding that your orgasm is separate from your ejaculation.” (27:45–30:19)

6. Semen Retention and Energy Discipline

• Tantric vs. semen retention.
  • Janelle clarifies tantric retention involves moving sexual energy, not just withholding ejaculation, which boosts vitality. (33:51)
  • "Tantrics... are constantly moving the energy. We're not keeping it in the testicles." (33:46)
• Benefits for both partners and the value of sexual fluids.
  • Regular sex and consuming semen are linked to higher happiness and lower depression in women, according to some studies and Janelle’s personal experience. (35:44)
  • The exchange of bodily fluids (semen, “kala” from female ejaculation, breast milk) is revered energetically in her practice. (40:43–41:44, 58:43)

7. Sexual Compatibility & Size

• Matching anatomy for optimal sex, busting size myths.
  • Not every woman needs or wants a larger penis; compatibility depends on yoni and lingam sizes and shapes. (42:29–43:37)
  • “If you’re around five inches, you’re super normal… Don’t feel bad.” (43:37)
• Sexual compatibility should be discussed openly.
  • “If sex is the only thing that separates your partner from other people in your life, then you should make sure you’re compatible." (48:32)
  • She suggests using yoni wands to measure compatibility before getting serious. (49:08)

8. Conscious Parenting, Breastfeeding, and Women’s Health

• Extended breastfeeding, natural childbirth, and conscious parenting.
  • Janelle breastfed her son until age 7 (!), citing benefits, and discusses how indigenous cultures typically breastfeed until ages 9–12. (57:25–59:41)
  • “My son comes in, he’s always like, ‘Oh, we get to see Sean.’ He’s chill. He’s been to almost 30 countries… his EQ is better than most men.” (59:41)
• Critique of formula, vaccines, and Western birthing practices.
  • “Formula is garbage… They drop it off at African countries and the women stop producing milk; look it up, it’s crazy.” (58:29)
• She advocates for natural birth and questions mainstream advice.
  • “We’re so dumb. We believe what anyone in a white coat who’s white tells us to believe. I think I know my body better than you, boo.” (57:16)

9. Intimacy and Relationship “Hacks”

• Top 3 hacks for lasting intimacy:
  1. Sleep separately: “You want to keep that magnet attracted. The best way is to not sleep together. The tantrics stay together for a long time because the polarity is strong.” (82:18)
  2. Schedule sex and blowjobs: “If you don’t schedule it, it won’t happen… If it doesn’t go on your calendar, does it happen?” (82:29–84:43)
  3. Don’t be idle together: “Don’t just sit on your phones side by side… The number one thing that weakens polarity is just spending idle time.” (85:00)
• Other notable Q&A topics: Period sex, female ejaculation (“squirting is trainable!”), breastfeeding as a fetish and for health, the role of anal play, and Janelle’s personal opinions on sexual kinks and fantasies. (71:51–81:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On living authentically:
  • “I do drink my moon blood. I do drink my urine. I do drink my man’s…semen…so it’s not, I think that’s what’s interesting is that this is, like, real.” — Janelle (00:58)
• On why marriage doesn’t guarantee good sex:
  • “Population that has the least amount of sex is married people…they’re having sex once a month. 12 times a year.” — Janelle (02:53)
• On asking men how to serve:
  • “I just asked my guy this the other night…I said, like, what can I do to help you? How can I make your life less stressful?” — Janelle (07:37)
• On sexual compatibility and relationship dynamics:
  • “If you know that going into marriage…you know that sex is…the first thing to go…don’t you think it’s important to know if you’re compatible?” — Janelle (48:32)
• On the difference between male and female orgasm:
  • “When you learn to reprogram your body to have those orgasms as a man, you’re just constantly having high pleasure sensation over and over…never having that direct up and that energy loss.” — Janelle (31:38)
• On sexual retention and discipline:
  • “Men who practice tantric retention…They’re so, like, on their purpose, Sean. Nothing can shake them.” — Janelle (27:39)

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• [00:00]–[02:40] – Opening: Orgasm gap, “masculine” orgasms, Janelle’s authentic lifestyle
• [04:14]–[06:59] – Roles of modern women, masculinity/femininity, CEO and dating dynamic
• [09:54]–[11:14] – Conditional love, infidelity, modern marriage statistics (80% divorces filed by women)
• [15:06]–[24:41] – Suppressed throat chakra, sexual healing, types of orgasms, shifting away from clitoral orgasms
• [27:28]–[34:41] – Tantric/sexual retention, energy discussion, discipline in men
• [35:43]–[41:44] – Sexual fluids, benefits and practices, squirt/ejaculate myths, compatibility talk
• [42:29]–[49:08] – Sexual compatibility, matching anatomy, measurement tools, shame-free discussion
• [56:41]–[59:43] – Orgasmic birth, extended breastfeeding, conscious parenting
• [71:51]–[81:22] – Rapid-fire Q&A: period sex, mental/energetic orgasms, anal play (for men and women)
• [81:26]–[85:33] – Top 3 hacks for lasting intimacy and sexual polarity
• [86:41]–[89:47] – Monogamy, cuckolding, and modern male energy

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Concluding Thoughts and Where to Find Janelle

Janelle urges listeners to drop sexual shame, focus on authentic sexual expression, and treat intimacy and partnership as purposeful, sacred acts. She encourages open-mindedness around topics that are often stigmatized or shamed, arguing that “anything can be trained or improved with intention and practice.”

Find Janelle Gordon:

• Instagram: @ShaktiLivingJG
• Book: Available on Amazon
• Next Retreat: Tulum, February (Valentine’s Week)

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For anyone seeking challenging, thought-provoking—and at times, controversial—perspectives on sex, love, and spiritual connection, this episode is can’t-miss listening.

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Notable Quotes for Social Sharing:

• "The type of orgasm that 70% of women are having is a masculine orgasm, which is why I think there’s more masculine women today." — Janelle Gordon (24:06)
• "If sex is the only thing that separates your partner from any other relationship in your life, don’t you think it’s important to know if you’re compatible?" — Janelle Gordon (48:32)
• "Men who practice tantric retention…they’re so locked in. Food tastes better, things are clearer, they hear better, they see better." — Janelle Gordon (27:39)
• "You want to keep that magnet attracted? The best way is to not sleep together... That’s why it’s so passionate." — Janelle Gordon (82:18)

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Transcript

[Janelle Gordon]

Every woman has the potential to orgasm, but most women only are experiencing one Type of orgasm. 70%. Right. The clitoris is the underdeveloped tip of the head of the lingam. For men, the type of. That 70% of women are having is a masculine. Or. Which is why I think that there's more masculine women today on the planet, because they're the same way. Amanda's.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, guys, Janelle Gordon is here. Fan favorite. I think this is, what, your fourth or fifth appearance now?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, I think so.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You're highly.

[Janelle Gordon]

Third or fourth. I'm. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Been killing it. Every time you come on, you stir up some. Some interesting comments, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I think you're breaking the norm. I like that.

[Janelle Gordon]

I like. But you know what I think is interesting is people say I do it for the. Like the. They say, oh, people will say anything. You see that a lot. Or she's doing that for the clicks, and I'm like, no. Like, I really live this.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

You know, I do drink my moon blood. I do drink my urine. I do drink my man's. Oh. Seeming like, you know, so it's not. I think that's what's interesting is that this is, like, real.

[Podcast Host]

You actually live it. I mean, you just got back from Bali. You did a whole retreat over there. Right. Made the news a little bit.

[Janelle Gordon]

I made the news a little bit. I was ostracized for teaching healthy, conscious spiritual intimacy, which. It is a Muslim country, and I actually wasn't fully aware of that. So I definitely. We need to do a little more due diligence next time. But they have a rule now in Bali where you cannot have sex unless you're married. And they have cameras in all the Airbnbs. Not the owners of the Airbnb, but the government.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

So it's a little.

[Podcast Host]

That's abusive.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I don't think I'd go there.

[Janelle Gordon]

I'd never go back there.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I'm spending thousands on Airbnb.

[Janelle Gordon]

Why would he want. Yeah. Why would you want to have your stuff, like, you know, videotape surveillance. That's the word.

[Podcast Host]

Did you know there was cameras when you got inside? So they hide them.

[Janelle Gordon]

They did hide them, and they don't now. I know, because I went through immigration. They stopped us, they detained us, and, you know, I had to, like. This is the thing that's so frustrating, I think, is I'm always trying to prove that I'm legitimate. It's like, people look at me and I'm like a meme, you know, because of How I look and I understand.

[Podcast Host]

I.

[Janelle Gordon]

And then what I do isn't really considered work. It's considered sex work. Right. But I'm not a sex worker, you know, and so I think that's the hard part. Like, what I do is actual healing. I help people in their intimate relationships, which a part of that is your sex life. And it's. I guess it's still hard for me to understand why there's so much pushback still from even personal developed people, even from the faith based community. Um, they love to hate me as well. And it's like, we know that marriages end in divorce for two reasons, infidelity and money. Correct.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

And often intertwined. People are not happy in marriages having sex. Today, the population that has the least amount of sex is like married people. That the worst case is they're saying they're having sex once a month.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Janelle Gordon]

12 times a year. So it's not like a foreign concept that we need to fix this. Right. And why can we not do it with a sense of sacredness and spirituality? I guess that's my, Like, I don't get it.

[Podcast Host]

I think it's because sex has been such a taboo topic for people growing up. Right. So they're like, ashamed to even talk about it.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

And you're so open with it.

[Janelle Gordon]

And that's because I asked that too. I'm like, I don't understand why, like, I get so many guys that are interested in me. I really don't. I'm not being like, you know me, I'm a straight shooter. I'm like, I don't get it. Like, I'm not super hot. I'm mildly attractive, I'm in my 40s, whatever. Like, I don't get it. Why are some even interested in me? And my friends were like, why you don't really. They're like, janelle, you speak about sex and you speak about it unashamed with knowledge, with like. That is interesting, as most women don't do that. So I didn't really. I guess when you're like, in what you do, it's hard for you to like, see outside and understand how people look at you. Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. So I didn't know you were getting a lot of guys hitting on you.

[Janelle Gordon]

Oh, yeah. Like all the time.

[Podcast Host]

In your DMs or that person, or both.

[Janelle Gordon]

Everywhere.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

All the time.

[Podcast Host]

Could be your energy too.

[Janelle Gordon]

I think it is that too. I think it's because I'm highly feminine. And I think that That's a trait that we've lost today.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

That women want to be men. They want to compete with men. They want to provide. They, they. They want to do everything that a man does and be treated like a man does. But then in certain times, they want the privileges of a woman.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

No, it does. Well, we're in a society now where the woman almost has to work. Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

Has to.

[Podcast Host]

It's hard to make a living.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's hard. And I was just listening to one of my teachers on the way flying over here, and it's like, there's nothing wrong with women working. Let's be clear about that. We have to do it. I do it like, I'm both man and woman, unfortunately, until I decide to, like, who's the lucky guy who gets me? Which whoever gets me is lucky, you know, but, like, it is tough to, to do all those things and stay feminine. And there's nothing wrong with working. There's nothing wrong with even being a CEO. But the chances of you being a high powered exact CEO or working in the same field as a man does and then coming home and being highly feminine are just slim to none. It just doesn't happen. How do you change those hats? When you're in a male dominant, there's more male CEOs than there are female. But the numbers are not even, like, closed.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So then you put women in these roles where they're forced to work, they're forced to. To. To act like a man, to think like a man, to make rash decisions. That's why I don't think women should be present. They can't be like, are you kidding? Like, do you think on my menstrual cycle I can make decisions? Like, I can't even sometimes when literally, Sean, knowing everything I know about hormones, I still sometimes am like, what is going on? You know? And I know that I'm going through it.

[Podcast Host]

It's so severe, huh?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. So it's like, women don't belong in those roles. We just, we're not cut out for it. So if you are in one of those roles in life and then you want to go home and be feminine, it's. It's a lot of work. I. I think it's near impossible to do it.

[Podcast Host]

I've had a lot of, you know, financially successful women on the show, and I'm always fast. Yeah. I'm always fascinated with their dating life because it must be really damn hard to.

[Janelle Gordon]

So hard. Because you know what? Those women, they think that their Importance lies in, like, what they do and, and how much money they make and their accolades. But for a, for a man that's almost an inch, and it's like a, it's like their, their lingam goes inside their body. When a woman starts saying, flexing about what she's done, because a man's role is to, like, protect, provide, and to be the Shiva, to be the one who, who does all this shit, it's not saying that he can't be proud of you for your accomplishments, but if you're coming to him saying, hey, I'm a CEO, I make, you know, seven figures, like, what does that do for him? How does that, like, that's not getting his dick hard, I promise you.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

What is, is if you say, hey, honey, you know, like, here's what I've done in the world alone, and, you know, I've had to do it, but I'm so happy to, like, come and, like, Erica Kirk's a perfect example. Support you and not be a slave or not be a servant. But serving is different than being a servant, I think. How can I serve? You look just like he asked her. Charlie said, how can I make your life better every day? You should ask that to your partner. I just asked my guy this the other night. I said, like, he was so stressed, and he just works all the time, and we don't see each other often, but when we do, it's, like, magnetic. And I think that's one of the things we're gonna talk about later. Yeah, it's. I said, like, what can I do to help you? Like, how can I make your life less stressful? And he just said, you know what? I don't know, but I'm gonna think about it. And I don't think women ask men that.

[Podcast Host]

Like, I've never been. Actually, I, I would lie.

[Janelle Gordon]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

I've been asked, but it's not like a daily thing.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, it's like, what can I do to. I, I don't mind saying it. How can I serve you? Like, what can I do to add, you know, to make your life easier so that you can do what you do as the protector, the provider, being present, all those things.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. When I saw Charlie do that, it made me want to be a better husband, actually.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's like, to me, I think, like, their, their love story is like, I get teary eyed thinking about it because I, I, I, I read energy. Like, people read whatever, you know, numbers or the stocks. Like, my guy's a stock guy. Like, their energy was just so profound and so just in love and in God. And it's like if you, if, if, if you don't know until you have that. Once you have that experience of a man who's like present for you, wants to protect, wants to provide, wants to just. Presence is the big one. Like, it's, it's so intoxicating. I know with my guy, when I, when he's there with me, like, I don't even think, like, we're in this, we're in an alternate universe. And that is what women are not getting today. And then on the same token, men aren't getting the femininity that allows them to feel like they can go out into the world and take on what they have to take on. Right? They come home and it's a fight. They're not getting sex, you know, they're getting nagged or they're getting complaining, as you said, all these things, or conditional love. That's the big one. Like Erica Kirk forgave you know, this man. She said, I forgive you. And it's. But yet your wife or your long term partner doesn't forgive you for leaving the toilet seat up or not taking the trash out or forgetting something with the kids and, you know, or the worst, infidelity. Like, we don't forgive that. Why do we not forgive infidelity? Why, why, like, why are we like that? That's saying our love is limitless. That's saying our love is conditional. Because we're saying, I will only love you and forgive you if you do all these things. Perfect.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Janelle Gordon]

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[Janelle Gordon]

That's a problem we have in relationships and marriage and that's why the divorce rate's so high. And who is it filing? Women.

[Podcast Host]

Yep. 80, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

80%.

[Podcast Host]

That's a lot.

[Janelle Gordon]

Just because you have sex with someone else doesn't mean you don't love me. Doesn't mean that it's right either. But it doesn't mean I'm going to leave you for that. It means that we obviously have some challenges that we need to work through together.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

There's some unmet needs. There's something. Now if it's perpetual and it becomes like all the time, then I could understand. But people will blow up a family because a guy had sex with another woman. It's like, really? That's love.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Because a lot of men view sex physically, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, it's. It's just the way. It's how they get. It's like how they connect. For women, we connect differently. We connect, right, with like presence and talking and stuff. That's not important to you guys. What's important to men is sex. And so sometimes men don't know how to use their big boy words. And they go out and have sex and then they do feel bad about it. Men feel bad about it, I think, sometimes, unless they have some other challenges. But it doesn't mean that they didn't love you or that, you know, that there was something. Sorry about that. That there was something that, you know, that they're giving up on the family. It just meant that there was an un. I think a lot of times it's unfulfilled, unmet needs and desires sexually. I think we're talking about that, too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

And then also it could just be a way for them to express themselves and communicate and. And sometimes they can't communicate with you. Why? Because women don't listen.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think that's a pretty common issue with women?

[Janelle Gordon]

It's. I think it's a huge issue. We don't. And my business partner, Keith Mitchell tells me this all the time. He said, janelle, if you really want to know what's going on with your guy, ask him specific questions and don't say anything. And he said, men don't really say a lot. And I agree with him. Men don't really say a lot, but when they do say something, it means something. And a lot of times when you get a man talking, he'll just Keep revealing more, even maybe more than he meant to, but it will be really indicative of what's going on within him. I think women, we obviously say way more words than men. We know that we talk a lot. Men don't necessarily need to, but when they do speak, it is. It's important, it means something. And I think women, as women, we don't listen to men. I watch it all the time in shows and things like that, that the man will try to say something. The woman cuts him off all the time and he'll just listen and listen and then he'll say. She'll say one more word. He'll try to get something in no. And it goes on and on like that. And I see this with couples too. And in the end, the man says nothing, but the woman gets everything out. And then what happens? That, that goes somewhere, that energy doesn't get dissolved. Right. So I think women need to listen more because when we do, there's a lot of depth there, there's a lot of insight. And they will really tell you what they're thinking and feeling if you let them.

[Podcast Host]

I love that. Do you also feel like women are complaining and nagging a lot?

[Janelle Gordon]

I think women complain and nag all the time. I think it's something that's sort of like in their DNA to just like always be unhappy, unsatisfied, no matter, like, what the man is doing for them. Right. I think that. I think it's a part of us just thinking that we're communicating. We just don't know how to communicate correctly with men. The power of influence. I think you understand this is very important if you know how to influence someone. The problem is women will talk to men and their husbands the way they talk to their girlfriends.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

This, this happened, honey. And oh my God, he said this. A man doesn't get that. A man is wired to what, solve problems, Right. Solve for X, provide a solution. So when you're saying a bunch of complaining, it's just. It's just stresses him out because he's like, is this real? Do I really need to solve this? Or is this like. And then it's just a lot of words and it doesn't make sense.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So there's definitely, like, things you can do about it.

[Podcast Host]

But do you think it's a blocked throat chakra thing sometimes too, for these women?

[Janelle Gordon]

Well, it is. I think it's a lot of. It's a few things and I wanted to make sure I get these really clear. It's suppressed expression, unspoken desire. And emotional disconnection from women. And why, why does that play out in the black throat chakra? They feel unseen, they feel unsafe, maybe they don't feel like, desired, and they don't feel like they're being ravished emotionally because, you know, women connect emotionally. Right. Versus sexually, where men connect sexually. And so the tantrics had this philosophy that, like, if a woman is suppressing, you know, her. Her. Her voice, her. Her needs, her desires, that there's a spot right here in the. In the throat chakra. This is where the throat chakra sits. That it. When you deep throat, that gets activated. So, you know, we have nadis and energies centers all over the body, and one of them's here. So when a woman actually can do deep throating with her partner's lingam, that. That actually can heal trauma.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

It can release untrapped emotions. It can also. The unsuppressed desires and emotional release that can happen in deep throating is immense. The other thing that I think is really important for you to understand is that when you had sex with your partner, when you have sex with her, what? Like, think about if you turn everything out and you just go into the sound. Sound is powerful. Right. It's a frequency. Right. What kind of sounds are you hearing from your. Your spouse when you're having sex? Have you ever, like, thought about that? Like, no, not really. Okay, so you're hearing like the same typically types of sounds a lot of times, like I said, it's unsuppressed and it's stuck. And they're not. They're not fully expressing what they're feeling in. In sex, in lovemaking, if you will, through their voice. Sometimes you'll hear generic sounds like, ah. Like these types of things are what you see in. Right. Why? Because in my book, I talk about it. Monkeys. See, Monk, we do. We learn from. So that's what a woman thinks is ex. Is exciting and arousing to a man is to hear what they've seen on. So if you really take a moment. Now, this is your homework.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Listen to the sounds that are coming from your partner during lovemaking and you'll find that they're all basically saved. Wow. Because again, this is what we're talking. So yes, it's about deep throating, but there is unsuppressed emotions, desire, emotional disconnection that is. Is trapped here. Because if you, if you penetrate, you know, the, the deep throating with the lingam, it opens that up and what happens, you'll find in real love making, like, I sound Crazy. Like, my guy gets so mad. He's. Because he has roommates. He's like, I can't have you over because you wake them up. And he was like, because I'm so loud. I'm like, I'm crying half the time during sex. Yes. Because we're going to talk about that. I'm crying. I'm like screaming. It's not like I'm like yelling. And it's so intense. And he loves it because he's like, you just, like, you just get on and go. And he's all about it, but he's like, I don't want my roommates hearing. This is embarrassing. And, and remember, we're having sex for a couple hours. Yeah. Nightly. Like when we do see each other again, this is. We're getting into all this. It's a couple hour lovemaking session. So two to three hours. And so imagine if I'm having, you know, 22 orgasms in that time.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

You know, there's a lot of screaming and crying. And that's because I'm not repressed. Obviously. I've healed the shame. My throat chakra is open. I can deep throat all those things. And so it's healing. But I'm going to say this. I think women don't go there because you're not like sexy. Do you know what I mean? Like crying and screaming and yelling and all these things. It's not what you see on you. When you hear the noises that are on, they all sort of sound the same.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

And they say the same verbiage. Interesting. Right?

[Podcast Host]

I'd get a little worried if my girls are crying, though. Well.

[Janelle Gordon]

Well, some of those deeper internal implosive orgasms they do can lead to that depending on the energy centers that they're penetrating and what's being released. It's a good thing sometimes also, it's not even like. For me, it's not about like releasing shame or anything like that anymore. I've done so much work around it. It's just the pleasure is so intense. You cry because you're, you're just like, you just. Your body is just like with childbirth, your body's made for a certain threshold of pain. And once you. Which is why oxytocin and inducing is the worst thing on the planet. I know Gary disagrees with me because he's like, put your kid on the numerology. But it's not good for the mom. Um, it's just trying. Trying to have natural. Which is recommended.

[Podcast Host]

Natural birth.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. Is the only way. Unless it's medical. Then of course you do what you do. Yeah, but. Because what happens is the body has a pain and pleasure sort of threshold. Right. So when you're having birth, your body knows how many. Quote, I don't call them contractions because I did hypnobirthing. But contractions you have. Correct. So the body knows. Okay, we need to. This amount of, we have this high of a pain threshold and so we're going to only let the contractions last this long and then we're going to bring her back down. But when you induce with Pitocin, that throws that completely off. That's why you see women losing their minds during birth and then their labor lasting for days. My water broke and I had him 20 minutes later.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

You know, so like that's how the body's designed to work. And then the body knows. Like I will tell you, some of those pressure waves, as we called them, were intense pressure, but they always came right back down. So same thing with pleasure. Your body sort of has like a pleasure pathway and then like once it reaches that center, it's like you don't know what to do anymore. So you just cry. If that makes sense.

[Podcast Host]

No, it does.

[Janelle Gordon]

Kind of weird, I know.

[Podcast Host]

No, you're describing kind of weird. I love weird people. But you're, you're basically describing a full body orgasm, right? Yeah. So a lot of people can't even relate to that because I don't think most people have achieved that.

[Janelle Gordon]

No. Most women, first of all we know, cannot orgasm. Right. We know that approximately 70% of women only experience orgasm through clitoral stimulation. So with a finger, with a toy, unfortunately, or with oral. And then we know about 20%. 20, 20. Some percent can't orgasm at all. Like close to 30. And then that very small sliver under 10 can have what I have, which is internal, implosive, full body. 11 forms of orgasm.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

They can have.

[Podcast Host]

So that's genetic.

[Janelle Gordon]

That's not genetic, it's trained.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, so you could train into it.

[Janelle Gordon]

You can train into it. Anyone can be trained for this type of pleasure. For 11 forms of orgasm, for full body, for mental, for what I'm doing. But I, you know, this is my life path, so I've trained a lot. So it's not normal to probably have like 22 orgasms or you know, the long duration ones that I've had that I think we're going to talk about later. But it's. Every woman has the potential to orgasm, but most women only are experiencing. Oh, this is A plot twist.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

One type of orgasm. 70%. Right. Which is what? Clitoral. What I said, by the way, clitoral is on the second chakra, which is. It's where pleasure sits and everything, but it's superficial pleasure. The other thing that I think is interesting to understand is that the clitoris is the underdeveloped tip of the head of the lingam. For men, when the X, when you're decided is. Yes. There is gender when you're decided at birth or not at birth, at conception, whether it's XY chromosome or XX chromosome, that the. The gonads and then the ovaries. Correct. This happens.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

That is what develops into the. The hood of the clitoris or the head of the lingam. Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Janelle Gordon]

So the type of orgasm that 70% of women are having is a masculine orgasm.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

Which is why I think that there's more masculine when men. Women today on the planet, because they're. They're orgasming the same way. Orgasming as you guys know it. But we know that orgasm and ejaculation are different. Well, we don't know, but I'll explain. That's another thing. So they're. They are experiencing a climax the same way Amanda's. Which is what? Really fast up and then really hard down. So if 70% of women can only have a climax through the clitoral, which is basically a male ejaculation, then they're becoming more masculine just by how they're orgasming.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Janelle Gordon]

Plot twist.

[Podcast Host]

That is crazy.

[Janelle Gordon]

Have you ever thought about that?

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Janelle Gordon]

And that's again, why, like, I get so much energy because I'm not having those. I actually stopped having clitoral orgasms Back in 2012 when I started my tantra training.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

I just completely stop and retrain my body to have impulsive ones.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Janelle Gordon]

Now I have, you know, glowy skin. Look at that. That's from the hormones, the oxytocin, the dopamine release that happens from regular climax. You see, women today, even young women, they look, like, older. And it's not just the plastic surgery. I think that's a lot of it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Girls now, botox in their 20s, they're doing it. But imagine, like, you just look at their skin quality. Like, is it, like, plump? Is it, like, moisturized? You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

You can see hormonally, like, on their skin if they're having impulsive internal orgasms that are bringing them more femininity or if they're orgasming the way a man is. I can tell on any. You put me in a lineup of any woman. I'll tell you.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

So you could tell we can do it.

[Janelle Gordon]

Let's have them on a show.

[Podcast Host]

That'd be a viral video.

[Janelle Gordon]

That would be a viral video. We need to do that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. We could have them write down how often they're having sex before and then.

[Janelle Gordon]

You read them and if. What type of orgasm they're having.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

If. Are they. Do they have orgasms? And then what type. And then I'll tell you.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. You can seriously tell that?

[Janelle Gordon]

Absolutely. And I could also tell if a man's practicing semen retention. Let's do it.

[Podcast Host]

How?

[Janelle Gordon]

Let's. Let's do it. Let's do a test next time.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

I'm an hour away.

[Podcast Host]

I can't tell if men are practicing.

[Janelle Gordon]

Oh, I can't.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

It's like an energy thing or it's.

[Janelle Gordon]

Because I think this was one of the questions. Are men something about are men sexually lacking discipline?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

That was one of them, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, absolutely. Are with the whole industry.

[Janelle Gordon]

With every. Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Men.

[Janelle Gordon]

Like okay, for instance. But he's gonna hate this because I. He does not like to be in the limelight. He's like normal. And I would never say what he does or anything. I told you that's different. He is a normal guy. He's an athlete, but he's a normal guy. He is naturally trained tantric. He doesn't practice. He doesn't ejaculate all the time. He does sometimes, but he just trained himself. I. I had nothing to do with that. I have to say I can't take credit. I was always so attracted to him and I didn't understand why at first. He's so disciplined. That's the biggest thing that I feel that men tell me when they practice semen retention. They're just so like locked in. Right? Like they're locked in. He's so focused. You could put two girls in front of him making out. He wouldn't flinch. He just is like locked in. And he doesn't sway. Not even me. And I'm pretty make things pretty swayable. Like he's just on his mission and path. And that's the biggest thing with men who practice tantric. I. I don't like semen tantric retention. Cuz they've diluted it and perverted it for no fapping. They don't even know what they're talking about. I'll just say that they're so like on their Purpose, Sean. Nothing can shake them. They're so focused. They're locked in, tuned in. Food tastes better, things are clearer, they hear better, they see better. It's just like they become a freak of nature because they're like mastering that, that, that sexual energy.

[Podcast Host]

That makes sense.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. So I can see it in how a man sort of carries himself, his discipline, how he talks, how he looks at me, like how he. Everything I can just kind of, I can tell.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Have you ever seen a man have a full body orgasm? Is that possible?

[Janelle Gordon]

Okay, so. Good question. Let me caveat this. Men can have full body orgasms, but it takes training. It takes. The first step of training is understanding that your orgasm is separate from your ejaculation. It's just a bad habit because if you look in nature, animals, they have sex for what? Procreation? Correct. That, that's it. They're. They're doing that to, to keep the, their population alive. That's it. So that is how men were meant to have sex. Or when I like to call lovemaking, because sex is so cheap, they're supposed to do it for procreate. They're supposed to ejaculate for procreation reasons only. Right? They are supposed to love, make, to create union, divine union. Now we know that's not happening because men are lasting three to five minutes now, if that, if that, and that's with everything. So it's like how can you create connection, intimacy in three to five minutes of love, Meeting like. No, right? So men can have full body orgasms. What happens is they have to learn to separate that orgasm from ejaculation. It's a training method. It's something I teach. It's possible. The grades like Montauk are the who we gather our information from. So his kind of concept is that men should sort of have sex, they should ejaculate or have only certain times. My lineage of tantra says never ejaculate. Right? The David Datas of the world. He ejaculates on special occasions, right? I don't know, Christmas, holidays, birthday, who knows? To each his own. Right? And my guy's not even spiritual at all. He just self trained himself. So I would call that semen retention. Tantric retention is when you're purposely pulling the energy up and moving it in the body. He doesn't know how to do that. I just do it for him because this is what I do. Right. But so, so how you really achieve that full body orgasm, or multiple, if you will, is learning to separate what Happens is your old level of like orgasm, which was like, you know, you go up to 100% and then you come back down and then you what, take a nap or cigarette or something. The resolution phase. That's modern sexology. Well, the tantrics, they don't do that. They're never going past the pnr, which is the point of no return, which is in that 50 to 70% pleasure range. Right. Zero being nothing, not a wreck, a hundred being ejaculation. Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So tantric men will have sex in that 50 to 70% range or the self pleasure, and they just stay there. But what happens is when you're connecting with a woman and you, and you can match that energy with her and you can breathe together and you can move the energy, the microcosmic orbit back and forth, then it takes you to like a heightened state of not just physical but energetic pleasure too. Then you'll start to have an orgasm that will seem like different from the orgasm as you know it. And so what will happen is you can just have more of those.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

You can. Just. So you'll, you'll get up to you, maybe that 70%, you'll rise, you'll ride that wave. You might start going up, but you'll just stay right there and you'll ride that. Then you'll come back down and you'll do that again and again and again again. And it's, it's a, it's a new kind of orgasm. It's hard to explain it if you never experienced it, but basically it's just imagine, imagine your orgasm. It lasts a few seconds, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

And the other part is just. It feels good, but you're just like building up to it. Right. We know that men only experience pleasure where the tip of the head of the lingam, that's it. And the orgasm, typically they feel the quote, orgasm, ejaculation. They feel right there too. They're not feeling it in their body. Ask any man, he'll tell you, I'm feeling it here.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

That's why when you're done, they, you don't want to. It doesn't. They don't want you to touch it.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

That makes sense. So, sound familiar? Women, when they have a clitoral orgasm, they're like, don't touch it. Yeah, it's the same masculine. So but if you learn to reprogram your body to have those orgasms as a man, you're just constantly having like a pleasure, high pleasure sensation over and over, it might come back down again, but it'll go back up. You're never having that direct up. And then that energy loss. So it's a new kind of orgasm. I don't really know how to explain it any more than that. But you can train it. The full body ones comes when you know how to move the energy all through the body. And if your partner happens to be someone like me, you're in luck because she'll help you do it.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

Then you're feeling an orgasm in your fingers. Imagine an orgasm in your heart. Imagine you both have an orgasm in your heart. That's when the crying comes in.

[Podcast Host]

That's deep.

[Janelle Gordon]

That's deep, right?

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

That's incredible that people can get to that level.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. And so one talk has like a system for, like, how you train. Right. So for men, if you're in your 20s, I always get this a little confused. So I'm gonna check my notes. Anything with numbers I just kind of like blank out on. But 20 is this two to three times a week. If you're in your 30s, then you can do once a week. So, like, my Guy's in his 30s, so he can ejaculate once a week, no problem. And I asked him, I'm like, I'm always curious. Like, I want to know these things. Like, when he's not with me, I'm like, how many times are you ejaculating? You know, Because I'm like, how much life force is he losing? He doesn't believe my stuff, but he, he's like, cool to, like, humor me with it, you know? And he's like, maybe two. A couple times.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So he's, he's. He's really going over. That's more what you should be doing in your 20s. He's an athlete, so his body's a little different. But still then when you hit your. Your 40s, it should be every other week. When you're in your 50s, you should be ejaculating once your 60s, they say every other month. Wow. Does that make sense? That's what not my tantric lineage says, but Montauks and most modern quote, men who are trying semen or tantric retention. That's the schedule they'll do. Or they'll just come up with their own.

[Podcast Host]

I'd be very curious how long these guys live compared to, like, average people.

[Janelle Gordon]

I mean, this is the study, right? This is the. This is where we need that. Because people are like, I need evidence. I'm like, you mean the evidence that they're giving You. The Viagra and Levitra companies are giving you. That's just used to sell their product. Because people are like, oh, if I don't ejaculate, I'm going to get prostate cancer. I'm like, yeah, because they want you on their medication. If you don't move the energy, then, yes, it can get stuck. But tantrics, that's why tantric retention is different than semen retention. We're constantly moving the energy. We're not keeping it in the testicles. That's why we do testicle massage. That's why we do lingam massage. That's why we take the energy of the climax and pull it up the spine and bring it back down. So we're cleansing that energy. We're not just letting it build. That's why if you're practicing semen retention, good luck. If you want to know the real practice, it's tantric retention. And we teach you how to move.

[Podcast Host]

The energy so you also consume the energy.

[Janelle Gordon]

I consume it. So if you. I. You know, I've been with tantric men, and they don't ejaculate. It's very rare. Like my business partner, Keith, he's. Now, this is interesting. He's like, I'm choosy with what women I let have my life for.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. Which I thought was fascinating because we. We're super close and we talk about all these things.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

You know, because we're both tantric and, you know, he's been with the best tantric masters on the planet, including myself, and so we talk about these things. I'm like, so you are choosy with who you let drink your sperm? And he was like, your semen. He's like, absolutely. I'm not just giving it to any woman. And he doesn't ejaculate all that often either. I don't really know his full schedule, but he's very choosy. I consume it whenever he ejaculates when he's with me, because I know it's life force and I love it. I'm like, I'm getting. And also, there's studies, like, I feel, like, so happy and, like, calm and, like, blissed out when I consume his semen.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

You. Have you seen those studies?

[Podcast Host]

No. I need to look it up.

[Janelle Gordon]

The study. I'm bad at the numbers, but look it up. The studies show that women who consume semen regularly are less depressed, they're more happy, they're more elated. I didn't even know these studies existed. I just knew after every time I drank a semen, I felt great. I felt balanced. I always tell. I'm like. When I'm like, without you, I'm, like, doing my thing. But I was like, when I, like. I always say, like, when you're inside me, I feel more balanced. And after I consume your semen, I feel, like, normal. That's what I always say. And he just laughs. He knows I'm crazy. I'm like, I actually feel normal. Like, it's like. It just, like, balances you out. And there's studies about it. So that saying that it lowers depression makes women happier when they consume it, which makes sense. It's life force. Of course it does.

[Podcast Host]

Does he consume your liquids, too?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. I mean, he does. He could. Yeah. He's cool with it. He's, like, into, like, that sort of thing. He's not like, now, I screwed it the other night, and it freaked him out.

[Podcast Host]

You've never seen that before or what?

[Janelle Gordon]

He said it only a couple times. But, like, it was a while ago. And. And he's just. Because we normally have, like, our positions and things that work for us for long lovemaking because we're having sex for a few hours. But I just was like, literally. And this just shows how complex a woman's body is. I just, like, leaned back a little bit, and I knew it was gonna come. And Sean, I freaked out. Cause I know he's normal. He puts up with my crazy. But I also know I have to, like, ease him into things and, like, explain.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So I was like, oh, shit. I knew it. The thing is, every woman can learn how to squirt, too. I think that's one of our questions, right? They can learn. They have the capability to do it. So what happens is, I knew I had squirted, but it hadn't come out yet. I don't know how to explain that.

[Podcast Host]

Like, you felt the pressure.

[Janelle Gordon]

It was there.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

And I was like, oh, it's over. And I was like, okay, how do I do this without freaking. Like, I'm having this dialogue. Imagine women do not think about this stuff when they're having sex. But me doing what I do, I am so. I'm like, oh, God, he's gonna freak out. I already know it. So I was like, okay, I just gotta, like, hold it together. And then I was like, okay, I'm just gonna slowly get up. And so you get you dry your best, right? I did. It went everywhere. And he said, oh, my God, what happened? And I was like, it's okay. It's not pee. I know that's what you're thinking. And so I had to, like, tell him what was going on. I was like, I promise you, it is not urine. And he's like, yeah, I haven't had that happen in a long time. And I was like, ever is like maybe once or twice, but it was ages ago. But yeah. And it's just a different position. So all women can really train to do it. It's just learning how to. There's also a myth that if a woman, because you watch porn, right, and you see her squirt, she didn't orgasm. A lot of guys think if I made her squirt, she orgasm. You can squirt without having an orgasm, and you can orgasm without squirting.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yes. So when they want you to think that if you made her squirt, that she orgasmed. Right. That's the whole thing. Those women are not orgasming on sets. I'm sorry, maybe some of them are, but it's. I've been on those. That's. It's very mechanical and not in it. But I've been. I dated a director back in the day and they're not having them. They are. They train themselves to squirt because it looks good on camera. And so any woman can learn how. And that's something I actually teach women. It's just empowering. And it actually. That release opens them up, opens their body up to learn how to release into an orgasm. And some of the deeper ones. Does that make sense? Yeah, just the, The. The idea of just like pushing. Pushing down. I don't know how to describe it. Like pushing down and releasing. That's what you have to do in climax too. You have to, like, relax and release. So it's good training. And sometimes they are together, but oftentimes, like that night, I just squirted. There wasn't an orgasm attached to it.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I wonder if there's. Is the sexual energy in that, though? Like, should men be, you know, consuming that? Like the other way around?

[Janelle Gordon]

Absolutely. In fact, there's a company, I don't know if they're still around. They used to make these in the tantrics. We call it Kalas K A L A S. And we consider that like a supernatural liquid. Like there's power in it, there's magic. So they would create these bowls that when a woman would squirt, you would just put the bowl there. Like, have it by the bench. Put it there because, like, I knew I was going to squirt right So a trained tantric woman will know. She'll be like. And, you know, Star will know, like, hey, it's happening. And so then you just put the bowl there and then you drink it. Or a guy can just put his head down there or whatever. Because they believe, and I believe this too, that there's. There's a supernatural power that's in that fluid. It isn't urine. They've done a lot of studies medically saying, oh, they say it. It does come from the urethra. I always have problem saying that word. But it is not urine. And I've tasted it myself and I drink my urine every morning. So I think I know the difference. It tastes like, sweet. It's clear, too. Where urine is not clear, mine is. Basically, I drink so much damn water. But, you know, most urine has a yellow tint to it. Even if you're super healthy and in your. Like, most, most people's urine. Scary when I. Doctor's office, like, what?

[Podcast Host]

I hold my breath in public bathrooms.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's bad.

[Podcast Host]

It's disgusting.

[Janelle Gordon]

So terrible. But, you know, we're so clean and pure. Like, our urine is like basically water, but there's still. You see a yellow tube. Little.

[Podcast Host]

Little yellow. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

No, it's just clear. But men just have this. Like, some men love it. I think a lot of it has to do with astrological signs, too. If they're more a water sign or they're more like an earth sign, they like it.

[Podcast Host]

I'm going to Aries.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. So you're. You're. You're air. Right? So I don't know how you feel about it. He's a fire sign. He's Aries, so he hates it is not his thing. So I'm like, okay. When that's okay. I don't, like, I don't have to do it. If it's hitting a certain spot, I know it's going to happen. So we just don't. We won't have sex in that position.

[Podcast Host]

You're G spotter.

[Janelle Gordon]

Not always. Yes, it is G spot, but it's like a certain position. Like, if it's like, for me, the best way that I found. Well, I found out that way. It was like on top, leaning back on. But again, that's with his anatomy with a different guy.

[Podcast Host]

He's 6. 11.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, he's just 11. He's like, we've been using the pump. I make him use the pump. I'm. He's like, my, my.

[Podcast Host]

Did it work?

[Janelle Gordon]

It works. But he's already huge. But he's like. I think he was. He's like eight by eight when he started, but wow, he's getting bigger.

[Podcast Host]

Eight by eight. Yeah, it's a cannon. Like I'm. The eight's like, impressive, but eight by eight.

[Janelle Gordon]

By the way, do you want to hear the stats on. Do you want to hear the stats on the. The lingam stuff?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

I think we're talking about size, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. What's the average lingam?

[Janelle Gordon]

Okay, so I'm going to tell you right now. I have it in here. Hold on. My numbers. Don't be mad. Okay. So I think that this is interesting to understand. 64% of women that are polled, and this is a reputable poll site, I can get you the stats if you want later. They say that both length and girth are important. Now, I talk about this in my book and if you come to my retreats, it's not. Bigger is better for everyone. It's not. My yoni just. And this comes from the Kama Sutra, my yoni happens to be between the medium and large size. So I need a medium or large lingam. Just makes sense. Some women, they have a smaller, like, you know, cavity from entrance to cervix, so they are happy with a smaller to medium lingam. So it's not. Bigger is always better. But that, that poll did say that 64% of women feel that both length and girth are important. Notice it doesn't say size. Correct. But that it's important again to their body. Right. So I think that's really crucial. 45% of men feel their lingam is too small.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

It's almost half a man.

[Janelle Gordon]

Correct. There you go. And then 44% of women, I don't know, I need to look at this. Size says orgasm Best from 8 inches. I need to look at that one again. That's what it saw. That's what it said. Not sure what. Sure on that one. Because that one doesn't really make full sense because it says that the average size of a man's lingam is around five and a half inches in length and about four and a half inches in girth. That's average. So if you're around five inches, you're super normal. A lot of. I feel like a lot of men feel like this hair is really bothering. Sorry, guys. A lot of men feel like half feel like they're not big enough. But if you're around five, five and a half inches, five inches or so, you're. You're completely normal. Yeah, I think it's important for men to understand that.

[Podcast Host]

Well, because guys are watching, they're watching. So they think 8 inches is normal.

[Janelle Gordon]

But let me tell you what these numbers are. So a 9 inch lingam, which is I think after using the pump is what he's going to have at this rate. And the pump really works.

[Podcast Host]

It works.

[Janelle Gordon]

By the way. It does work.

[Podcast Host]

You know, I used it for a bit.

[Janelle Gordon]

It does work.

[Podcast Host]

I had to stop working too. Well.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. And then it gets too much. I know. Your girl's like, calm down.

[Podcast Host]

Paul's like, what the.

[Janelle Gordon]

I know, I love it. Cuz it, it, it does work. I don't care what people say, they can laugh all they want, but he's laughing to the bank. So a 9 inch lingam is less than 1% of the population.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

So when you guys are watching, you're comparing yourselves to a 1% of the population and then if you're 10 inches or more, it's like less than a quarter. Quarter.

[Podcast Host]

Holy. Have you ever seen someone with that?

[Janelle Gordon]

I, I mean I, I have.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

Wow. I've been blessed. I don't know why. I think I just, I'm like the lingam, like the lingam buster. Like this new a size for my body.

[Podcast Host]

You can kind of tell sometimes, right though. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So you know, tall, it's not always the case. But taller, bigger guys and African American men, you know, it is what it is, but I just know it works for my body. I think that was one of our questions about is, is sexual compatibility important?

[Podcast Host]

Right, Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

Is that one of them?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, I guess. How do you measure that without getting in bed first? I guess, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Oh yeah. But I think it's important that we talk about the. Is it important? Right. Don't you think?

[Podcast Host]

Sexual compatibility? Yeah, yeah, it's super important.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. So why would you say. I'm just curious.

[Podcast Host]

Well, if you're too small and her, she has like a deep, whatever you call it.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

It's not going to work.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's not going to work.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

And so just from the anatomy portion and we do this in the retreat, it's so fun. We make it so fun for everyone to like understand this because I think a lot of people, a lot of men we see, they feel bad and they feel like they're not big enough. Right. And for men, confidence is everything. That's the one thing I've instilled in my son. He's so confident. Like I think I went overboard because he doesn't give a.

[Podcast Host]

You know, I thought he was going to sit in on this interview. I was like, damn, he's confident.

[Janelle Gordon]

Did he went outside?

[Podcast Host]

He went outside. But I thought he was going to.

[Janelle Gordon]

Be like Chinese to him. I promise you. And this is why I tell parents all the time they might say, oh, you can't talk. My son doesn't think that is bad or doesn't even think about these words.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

No.

[Podcast Host]

That's some really good parenting. Because if I was. How old is he?

[Janelle Gordon]

He's 10.

[Podcast Host]

I wouldn't have been allowed in this room at 10 with my parents.

[Janelle Gordon]

That's right. But what is, but why?

[Podcast Host]

I think they would have felt too shameful about these topics.

[Janelle Gordon]

My son doesn't even try to listen because I've explained to him about the body, about my body. He understands, he understands what sex is he under all of that. And he's heard me speak of it. It doesn't, it's like so not, it's normal to him. Wow, Normal meaning there's no shame. He's not interested. My son is 10, but I'd say he's more like 8 on purpose.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, 8 when it comes to like, like, you know, like some 10 year olds have girlfriends, they're doing weird shit. My son's not doing that. I just brought Charmander with him on purpose. Right. I'm keeping him young on purpose. But back to sexual compatibility and why it's so important guys, you marry someone or have a long term. If you choose not to do the marriage thing. I don't know. Some men aren't doing marriage today because. Right.

[Podcast Host]

A lot of men, A lot of men.

[Janelle Gordon]

But they'll still have a ltr. Right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

They'll still claim one woman, but they don't want to do marriage. Right. And I, I actually understand, I, I, I am for marriage because I think there's something, there's like a covenant. Like what you know, Charlie Kirk talks about, talked about, if you will. There's something very sacred about it. And so I think faith based, they're still doing marriage. But even some conservatives, if they're not faith based, they're opting out. Right. For obvious reasons. And I don't know how you feel about it.

[Podcast Host]

Usually financial, I feel like financial. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

But if you're choosing a person to either be in a long term relationship or marry, what changes your relationship from any other relationship? It's the sex and the intimacy. Correct.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

You don't have sex with your friends, your colleagues, your kids, your parents, no one else. Who do you have sex with? Your wife.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

Your partner. Pardon me? So if you know that going into a marriage or a relationship and you know that sex is, what, the first thing to go in marriage. In fact, that's why some men won't get married too.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. Because they know that once you get married, they don't have sex anymore.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

Men tell me that all the time. Like, I don't want to get married. I know that you don't have sex when you get married after you have kids. Right. Because then she comes fixated on the children.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

So if you know that sex is the one part of your relationship dynamic that's different from any other relationship dynamic on the planet, don't you think it's important to know if you're compatible 100%? Because we know it's the first thing to go. We know it's why people get divorced. We know it's oftentimes why men cheat. We know it's, you know, women. Women is a little different because they're more for the emotional stuff. However, it's very important to understand the compatibility of that. So it's good to have an idea of this going into it. Now, there's tools that you can use that are called. I should have brought one. They're called yoni wands, and they're crystal. They're made of rose quartz, amethyst, and they're like a vibrator. But they're not. They're just the stone, just like this crystal, just, like, made of that. And so you can use that to sort of put it in the. In the yoni. And she can measure and say, like, hey, I'm three. You know, three to four inches. So she's good to be with a man who's four inches, five inches. That's okay. That's okay. Maybe six. Right. But then she doesn't want to be with anyone higher than that. Why? Because he's gonna what, bottom out?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It would hurt too much. Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

And also for the man, say if the man is bigger, if he's 6, 7, 8, he can't even get in all the way.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Some guys talk about the wall.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's just like.

[Podcast Host]

You've heard that, Right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Of course. I call it wall. Bottoming out is another. I think it's a bad term. But they can't go any further. Right. And they want to. Why shouldn't they be allowed to? Right.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Sex is. It's an important part of life. It's a spirit. God gave it to us to enjoy. Right. To have. So why not have it the right way. So there are things that you can do to make up for the imbalances. But I do think it's important. This would be a first question I would ask.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Like I know this is weird, but you probably want to have sex with me for a full time. Right. So don't you think we should see if we're a good match and if we're not, what we could do to make us a better match? Does that seem far fetched to most people? They'll never ask that question.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they won't.

[Janelle Gordon]

They'll never ask that question. They'll never ask like, do you believe in like having. You know, like what's your sleeping arrangements? What do you think about that? Or do you believe. Or like a lot of questions I feel like people don't ask. They'll ask what's your favorite song? What's your favorite movie, where do you want a vacation? But like they won't really ask the real question. That keep the sexual polarity alone.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they ask like surface level stuff.

[Janelle Gordon]

Surface. Or like preferences. Like I don't know half that stuff about my guy. I don't really care because it doesn't really matter. Like I, I mean if you also, if you're observant, you can figure out everything. I know he likes his Evian water, which I cringe. Oh, that one's good though. In the bottle. Yeah, Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I don't drink plastic.

[Janelle Gordon]

I need to get. You start getting him those. I know he likes Evian, you know, I know he's very simple and he, he wears like, you know like basketball stuff all the time. You know, you can find that stuff out. But the important things to know are like sexual compatibility. Do you believe in birth control? Do you want to have. Yeah, I don't. I've never been on it. That's another reason.

[Podcast Host]

That's rare, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. I think it's why I'm going to be fertile into my 50s, you know 50s. I turned 44.

[Podcast Host]

And you're still fertile.

[Janelle Gordon]

I still. I just got off my moon cycle.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap. So you could still have kids or not.

[Janelle Gordon]

I have kids. Well, he's on the bench. He said when he hits 4. 40. He's 35 now.

[Podcast Host]

40 is pretty late.

[Janelle Gordon]

He wants to stack that money for a.

[Podcast Host]

For a female. I feel like it's late for most women. For most women.

[Janelle Gordon]

And let's talk about this cuz these. You guys annoy me with saying I'm a grandma and I stopped menstruating. Are you crazy? You wish. I'M more fertile than people in their 20s. I. I believe I could see it because of my lifestyle. I've never been on birth control. I don't eat meat. I've been vegan since sixth grade.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

I'm not taking in hormones, right? All the hormones and the synthetic hormones that they're getting from meat, from, from dairy, from. From estrogen, from the, from the pill. I'm never getting that. So of course I'm going to be fertile. Plus, my whole mission in life is to preserve my sexual energy. I'm a tantra master, so I'm constantly building and recycling energy. I drink my moon blood, which is less about the nutritional stuff. I said that for more like, like to get people to understand what's in it. But it's an energetic principle of saving my life force. That's my OJ drinking, my partner's old Jess having to be fertile for decades. So the modern person thinks that it's late to have. They call it a geriatric Pre pregnancy after 35.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. There's a lot of hilarious.

[Janelle Gordon]

To me.

[Podcast Host]

Health issues. Right. Woman after 35 for the regular woman.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. If you ate and did this to your life and to your body. Yeah. You are geriatric. I'm not.

[Podcast Host]

Did you see what Trump said about the Tylenol?

[Janelle Gordon]

What did you say?

[Podcast Host]

Oh, this came out yesterday. Pregnant woman on Tylenol. There's like some link with autism. Allegedly just came out yesterday.

[Janelle Gordon]

I need to see that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, him and RFK made a huge.

[Janelle Gordon]

Oh, yeah, that's. And I've been. I've been saying this stuff all the time. I was on the vaccine bandwagon before that was on it. To not vaccinate your children. I got told I was irresponsible. I was a bad mom. I was. My son was gonna get sick and die, and I'm like, no, you guys are idiots. What child? What. What woman in their right mind, which are not in the right mind because they just got their labor induced and then got a spine tap, numbing themselves, which is crazy, instead of just saying, I'm a woman. My hips, my body was made to push. I can handle an hour or two of pain.

[Podcast Host]

That's how they used to do it.

[Janelle Gordon]

That's how they used to do it. And they used to squat. That's how I did it.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, you do a squat in a bathtub?

[Janelle Gordon]

I squat. I squatted. My doula got nervous, so she hadn't delivered a baby in a while. So we did go to the hospital, unfortunately. But I turned on My side. They wanted me on my back and I refused to want you on your back. Do you know it hurts so bad and it goes against gravity. So. So, yeah, so. So the vaccines, like, like they're out of their mind after they give birth because they're not in their mind. I was fully awake. I knew everything that happened during my birth a thousand percent because I was lucid. I wasn't drugged. I had a rush of hormones that literally I was, took over my body. I thought I was like an avatar.

[Podcast Host]

I was like, God, did you have an orgasm?

[Janelle Gordon]

I didn't have an orgasm. But I believe that you can have an orgasm during birth if you train properly. I think that my second one I could. Okay the first one. It's like you don't know what's going to happen. Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So the pressure waves, when they come, they are intense. You kind of feel like you might possibly be dying.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

But you're not. Your body was built for it. Like I pushed my son out. He was 7 7. I didn't tear. I mean that's not huge, but I'm not huge. And his dad was like you know, six, eight tall, skinny guy too. Basketball player. Seven seven, seven, seven. So there's bigger but I mean look at my body. My. Sure we're, we're lean. So seven, seven. I didn't tear. So I did not have an orgasmic birth. But you can have orgasmic birth and there's women who do. I think second time around it's possible because it's like, like I told you I felt euphoric afterwards. It was like such a release of energy. I literally thought I was God. I thought I could do anything and once you know like how to. So now I think I could channel that energy differently. The first time it just hit me and I was using a lot of tantric yoga practices to move the energy. But you don't know until you know. Now that I've done it, I understand what's going to happen. These waves are going to come, they're going to hit me. But that's just energy and I can move it.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

So I do believe that I could have a second child. Orgasmic birth. There are women who have these orgasmic birthing stories. I don't believe in the fear mongering about birth is a death sentence and oh, watch out for this woman. No, I did everything that other. I, I did yoga sculpt than when I was in labor. I was literally had started having contractions. I was in hot Yoga, this class with weights standing on my head like it's like nothing. Because, like, my women are just lied to. We're so dumb. We believe what anyone in a white coat who's white tells us to believe.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's like, I think I know my body better than you, boo. Like, I've been in it for 40 some years. I know what I'm capable of.

[Podcast Host]

Did you breastfeed?

[Janelle Gordon]

I breastfed for seven years.

[Podcast Host]

Seven years, actually.

[Janelle Gordon]

My son still tries to nurse. He asked me, mom, can you take herbs to make more milk?

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

And he's 10. And you see, my son, he hoops, he games.

[Podcast Host]

I didn't know you could produce milk for that many years after.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yes. This is something else. That's women. God, we've just been so lied to. The modern woman who's, like, eats the standard American, the sad diet and all that. They just don't know. I could have gone longer in most African. And this is going to be in my book. My second book is about conscious motherhood and parenting. Conscious womanhood, motherhood and parenting. Most cultures, like in Africa and indigenous tribes, they nurse their children till they're like 12, and they'll be out on the field, you know, with one baby, with one kid who's helping them, and they're both nursing one's like maybe two or three, one's like nine or ten, and it's normal. Wow. Why do you know they have still not been ever able to replicate breast milk?

[Podcast Host]

They're trying.

[Janelle Gordon]

They're trying.

[Podcast Host]

Formula, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Formula is garbage. I think that you should be sentenced to prison if you. If you give your child the formula and. And let me caveat, that you have the ability to breast milk.

[Podcast Host]

Right? That's.

[Janelle Gordon]

If you can't, I understand. Like, if you can't, there's medical things, and it happens. And that's all imbalances in the body, by the way. You should be able to. But anyway, no judgment. Say you just can't. And they say there's, okay, fine, you have to feed your child something. I. And I think goat's milk in that case is the best, the better option, but some kind of formula, you know, is needed. I would never do the commercial stuff that is so.

[Podcast Host]

Put sugar in it, everything.

[Janelle Gordon]

And they drop. You know what they do? It's sick. They drop it off at African countries and the women are like, oh, we're getting American, like, nutrition. And then they wet the baby. The baby is addicted to the formula, and the women stop producing milk. Oh, my God, look it up. It's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Awful.

[Janelle Gordon]

But so they can't repulate replicate breast milk. They cannot do it. My. My photographer and friend did his thesis on extended breastfeeding. The benefits, mentally. You've seen my son for years now. Come in here. He sits in like a. He's not like most kids.

[Podcast Host]

Most kids annoy me.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. My son comes in, he's always like, oh, we get to see Sean. I love him because you're tall and you're a Hooper. You know, he's a Hooper, but he's just chill. He's been to almost 30 countries.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

You know, he's like, his EQ is better than most men, I believe.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. 30 countries is impressive at that age.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. He's like 25 now, but whatever. Close. Getting up there. I believe that his emotional intelligence is higher than the average man's. I really do.

[Podcast Host]

I could see it.

[Janelle Gordon]

And you know why? Part of that is because I breastfed so long. Michael Jordan was breastfed till he was four. There's some other major players in society. You can look them up. Who did extended breastfeeding? Oh, um, I know. Jason Tatum. Yeah, did. Because I do attachment parenting. He slept with his mom till he was 16. My son is still co. Sleeps. And he'll probably do the same until he's probably around the same age. I would be shocked if they weren't doing extended breastfeeding, because most attachment parenting is that it's extended breastfeeding. Always wearing the baby, sleeping with them, like sleeping in bed with them. Non vax. All these things.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Janelle Gordon]

So breastfeeding is very powerful. I think it's also kind of a fetish. My son is completely just for the support. He asked today, mom, I really wish you still made milk. He said, can you take the herbs to make it? I said, the factory is closed and done. It was a lot. Imagine most women won't do it for six months or a year. And I did it seven.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's a long time.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. But I think it is a fetish now. Today.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

For men.

[Podcast Host]

What about, like, your dating partner drinking it? Is that a thing?

[Janelle Gordon]

I think that's a. That is a thing. And there's some men who are kind of drawn to it. It's weird. They're like. When I was. When I was nursing and. And I was producing milk and I had a partner, he would drink it and he was like, oh, like, he liked it. It was kind of. I don't know what it does. If it's like a. Like it's a nurturing thing or it takes them like, it. It's something that. I think it's a very bonding, connected, intimate experience. Right. To say, oh, I just had made love with my partner and I drink her breast milk. Like, you know, that's. That's the same thing with, like, the colors. It's an intimate experience. So I think that just like it detaches mother and baby together, the bond that it forms, not to mention nutritional eq, I think it can do that with your sexual partner as well.

[Podcast Host]

Don't knock it till you try it.

[Janelle Gordon]

And bodybuilders pay for it. A lot of money, really. Actually, that's the way I make. You know, my story is a little crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

When I came, when I was like, starting from zero, I'm not gonna. I have no shame. That's the thing about me. I will say what I've done because I was trained by Tony Robbins PR team for a day in San Diego. You know what they told me? Get ahead of the story. Tell people everything now and then. What are they going to say? Because people are going to say, oh, yeah, you're an ex stripper. Yeah, I said that. I have a TED Talk. I. I had a pimp for a decade. I was trafficked. I got out. I faked my own death. And now I help people heal.

[Podcast Host]

And what are you gonna say now?

[Janelle Gordon]

So I sold my breast milk. When I was needing money, I sold breast milk and I would. I was a hustler. I'd dilute it with rice milk because the rice milk consistency is very close to breast milk. I don't know why. The color, the texture. So. Because, you know, you gotta make. Stretch that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So I like, cut it, you know, like drug dealers. I was cutting it, and bodybuilders would come and pick it up for me, and I'd sell it for like 100 bucks. 200 bucks.

[Podcast Host]

Holy.

[Janelle Gordon]

For a bottle of breast milk. Also, some guys. It was just a fetish thing, too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. That's something I did to. To make. To make the living in the early days.

[Podcast Host]

That's some, like, Onlyfans. Before it became Onlyfans.

[Janelle Gordon]

I never did it there. Is that a thing on Only Fans?

[Podcast Host]

People sell all sorts of stuff on Only Fans used underwear.

[Janelle Gordon]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

I'm sure they sell period blood. If I had to browse on that. I haven't been on it, but.

[Janelle Gordon]

Gosh, that's wild.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I've had a lot of them on the show, so I hear also they do that.

[Janelle Gordon]

No, I was just. I was just trying to survive at that point. I was just like, how can I keep the rent over my head in Irvine? Yeah, let me sell this breast milk to this bodybuilder. Wow. I didn't feel weird about it because it was like I was making so much. You know, I still have some in my freezer. When during COVID my son started, he just was acting a little weird and I was like, yeah, yeah, not today, Satan. So I just took the breast milk out, warmed it up, put some cacao powder in it, drank it. Neither one of us ever got Covid.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. It lasts that long in the freezer?

[Janelle Gordon]

I mean, I'm sure it's not as potent, but yeah, it's still in there.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting. That is cool. How did Tony Robbins find out about you?

[Janelle Gordon]

Oh, that was wild. One night during those early press breast pumping days, really struggling. The thing that's interesting that they don't share, and this is what I'm writing in my parenting book, is like a lot of these parenting methods, it's not for single moms. Like they don't tell you attachment parenting is really hard. It's about putting like doing the best for the child, which most women are so selfish today. They schedule their C sections because they don't want to ruin their body. They don't realize is that when you don't have a vaginal birth, you're really fucking your child. Because your child gets a plethora of good bacteria when they come down the vaginal birth canal. That protects them for life. Which is why my son's never sick.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

But so I was going through those early days. I was postpartum. One of the side effects of having a natural birth, if you're in my demographic, my demographic, meaning I was a product of the foster system, had abuse, was trafficked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was alone, no family. You have higher chances for getting postpartum. Doesn't mean that Karen. You know, living in the multi million dollar mansion can't get it either. It just means my chances are higher. So I was having postpartum and ptsd. It was pretty rough time.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. I'm surprised. You seem very, like mentally strong.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yes. But having a newborn, breastfeeding around the clock, which I did, going to school full time to get the roof over my head because I was in like all these programs like, like the government was like the county was paying for me to go to school so my son could be in child. Like I was just trying to figure out how to survive at that time. And I had the skill set tantra. But I didn't really know how to. Like, how do I make money off of it? Like, what do I do? So I was just at that time, just surviving. And you see, when you. I don't know if you're playing, have kids, but it's a lot.

[Podcast Host]

I am. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

You're doing it alone and you have no support, no family. It's a lot. So also, the natural birth, the hormones were just so. It was rough. So I was having postpartum, and it brought back a lot of the trauma from being trafficked and all this stuff. It was rough. I was like, I can't. Like, I had the thought. So when. When men say postpartum is not real, it kind of annoys me. I'm not saying that it can't be alleviated naturally, but to say it's not real is so not fair because you know me, I'm really natural. But that shit is real. Yeah, I've never taken an aspirin. I don't take any of that sort of thing. But I had fucking postpartum. Like, I had thoughts that were really crazy and very scary. And in that moment, like, I was doing homeopathy, I was doing all this stuff. Shit wasn't working. So at that point, I did go see a doctor, and I was like, I need to be on a mild SSRI because I'm my son and I need to live. Like, that was what I did. I went on for three months, weaned myself off, which I'm not supposed to do, but I've never been on anything since. And I guess I needed it, or I just needed support, but I didn't have it. So I had to go for the next best thing. But it was during that time, I was a low, low, low, low, low spot. And I just remember thinking, like, I can't go on anymore. Like this. Like, I'm failing. Like, I'm trying to do all this homework. I had, like, brain. I had, like, mild TBI from multiple concussions when I was trafficked, which was. Make it makes it more challenging when you're doing, like, studies, like, math. So I had to take five remedial math courses before I can get a credit.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

I didn't grow up with an education. All this stuff, it was intense. Imagine you're. But you have a baby and you're nursing the baby and still going through all this. I was just like, this is not life. Like, this can't be life. I don't want to do this. I remember having that thought, and his thing came up on my Feed. It was like, I'll never forget it. I was like, stop worrying about what could go wrong and stop imagining all the things that could go right. And I just hearted it. And I was like, 2am I just nursed him. He went back to sleep. I was awake, and I just commented with, like, 2,000 other people. I was like, yeah, I just don't think I have the skill set right now to, like, make it in this world where I was just bought and sold. Like, this is just. I'm. Nobody cares about me. Like, I don't. I don't fucking know how to do this. And I knew my hormones were imbalanced and he responded to me. He, like, DMed me and he started messaging me. He's like, wow, I just commend your bravery. This is right at the time. I know they're not even a thing anymore. But he started working with Operation Underground, and he was like, I want to help you help more women. Because at that time, I had started this club on my campus for human trafficking awareness. So he's like, I want to help you help more women, but I want to help you. So he sent me to his event, Unleash the Power Thin in Palm Beach, West Palm, in 2018. That's where I met him for the first time. So over the next few years, we would talk back and forth on Instagram. He would send me to every event he had, including Business Mastery, Date with Destiny. We had plans to work together in this fight, you know, of human trafficking, advocacy and awareness for survivors. Unfortunately, in Australia, actually, I was supposed to have a sit down with him, and that is when he got mercury poisoned and he came out in a wheelchair. He even finished that day with Destiny. And then after that, that was in 2019, rather Covid hit.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So after that, then they took my Instagram account, and then I lost my direct line of communication. But I still have, like, his pa, his. All his team. And I. I told you, the media team trained me. So that's. That's what happened.

[Podcast Host]

What a story. Shout out to him for reaching out. That's beautiful.

[Janelle Gordon]

I know. Helped me so much. And I think what Tony's work really did for me was like, it just gave me, like, the confidence to understand that I could take this. This tantric work and healing and do something with it and that all the stuff in the past, I. I could let that go and I. And I could do it. So it just gave me that confidence. I think that's really what his work does, and it's like networking on steroids. That when you go. I'm going in October and taking Prince for the first time in la. Like, you just meet the most amazing.

[Podcast Host]

I've heard great things. I've had so many guests that have gone or even speakers. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Like, Dragon's one of his trainers. There's a few other people who come in here. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So, man, you've been getting banned everywhere. You got banned on WhatsApp a couple months ago, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, they took both of my WhatsApps scammers. I don't know, it's a little fishy. Like, I don't know. But they sort of reached out to me on telegram saying, hey, give us money and we'll get your accounts back. And ever since then, I just haven't been able to get them back.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. That's a whole industry. That's a whole ban you. And then the same person that bans you hits you up.

[Janelle Gordon]

But I don't trust it because what if I give him the money? Then he's going to do it again.

[Podcast Host]

A lot of them do that and.

[Janelle Gordon]

I'm not going to do that. So I'm. I'm still trying to get in with WhatsApp. I. I have my team message them every day.

[Podcast Host]

Crazy. Because WhatsApp so important too.

[Janelle Gordon]

So I lost. I'm not even in the group anymore.

[Podcast Host]

I know. Especially with what you do if you have international clients. So you got to text them and.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. And all like, the connections. So it's been.

[Podcast Host]

That's so messed up. Well, if you get a new one, let me know. I'll add you back.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, I do. I have one. So I got to give it.

[Podcast Host]

There was someone that called me literally today and he's like, dude, I made over a million dollars from your WhatsApp. I was like, holy.

[Janelle Gordon]

Are you serious?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. He like, posted about some business deal and he said like five people hit him up and like one of them ended up going through it was that.

[Janelle Gordon]

He was in real estate or something.

[Podcast Host]

Or he does, like, he sells some sort of manufacturing. So I'm like, he helps people save money.

[Janelle Gordon]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

It's hard to explain.

[Janelle Gordon]

Hard explain.

[Podcast Host]

But there's all sorts of people in there.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. I got to get back in that group. Cuz had so many connections and I feel like, so sad not having, like, anyone. I was just. And then you don't always save all the numbers in your phone off WhatsApp, you know, so it's like, how do I fight that person?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, we got to get back in there.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, we got to get back in there.

[Podcast Host]

Should we end off with some. Some rapid fire?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, let's do it. Did we cover everything?

[Podcast Host]

We got most of it.

[Janelle Gordon]

Okay. All right, let's do it.

[Podcast Host]

What are your thoughts on period sex?

[Janelle Gordon]

I think that period sex is extremely healing for a few reasons. One, it's a very powerful magnetic time for a woman in her body. She's literally in tune with her life force. Blood is life. Life is in the blood. So if you're inside of her when she's in tune with her highest ecstatic, feminine, receptive, powerful energy of life, it's going to be powerful sex. Just. Even if you're not tantric. Second of all, it actually helps to stop a woman's cycle. It ends it sooner.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

And can alleviate cramps because if she is able to orgasm, it can stop the contractions and help to release the oxytocin, the serotonin, dopamine, so that she has a. First of all, a climax. But it also helps her to relax the cramps and things she might be experiencing. It's so powerful. Also, the. Every time I have period sex or sex right on my period. Right. Maybe I'm on the end or close to it, close to being done or. Or maybe in the middle, it'll stop.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Janelle Gordon]

It stops. I. I'm not fully sure on that. I'm going to actually reach out to my teachers to kind of understand more, but I think it's something to do with, like I said, the hormones, also the contractions of just. Just relaxing that area. And it helps to just alleviate PMS symptoms. Like I said, reduces the cramps and can potentially stop the cycle altogether, which happens to me all the time. The problem is most guys are afraid of it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Because of the blood. But I guess if you have towels or.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. Or dude in the shower. For me, I don't have. I. I don't bleed a lot because. On purpose, because I pull my blood back into the body. So I shouldn't say this on the. But there's. Sometimes I'll do it. He doesn't know what.

[Podcast Host]

You're savage.

[Janelle Gordon]

He doesn't know that.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Like, he doesn't feel it because I don't.

[Janelle Gordon]

Like, it's just like being lubricated because I'm not. I don't believe much. So. So he doesn't know.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Janelle Gordon]

I only. But only do that because sometimes we don't get to see each other that much. So if I'm on my cycle, my demo. But you can also manipulate that a little Bit too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Women see me for them see me for more details.

[Podcast Host]

That's impressive that you could pull that off.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

But you can also pull off climaxes without even being physically touched, right?

[Janelle Gordon]

Correct. I can do that. That's something that I worked on actually when my son was young and I was in school full time around the clock for like almost five years. I would be just sitting in lectures and I've trained my vaginal, my yoni muscles with the eggs and so I can just learn how to just manipulate. Like I'm doing it right now. I'm like squeezing. Manipulate. And actually people don't understand that orgasm happens in the brain. The body is just the, the other component of it. So you can physically, you can mentally stimulate yourself into that feeling. Like, I could do it now, but I really want to go because I'm not trying to be like Jaya. Jaya is really famous for that. Like just orgasming on camera.

[Podcast Host]

What? Yeah, I need to interview her.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, she's a. She's an OG in the game.

[Podcast Host]

Jaya J a Y A. Yeah, she will just. She could just orgasm on command.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap.

[Janelle Gordon]

I mean, it's, it's a thing that's impressive. Yeah. And that's. She works with Tony's like Tony's followers in his private groups, you know, and then. Yeah, so I, I absolutely. I could do it as well. I'm not prepared right now in this moment.

[Podcast Host]

That must be a female thing, right? I don't think guys can do that.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, it is like, it's just about like, it's like feeling energy. Like I'm feeling it now and then you just move it up and I could do it, but I don't know. I already get so much. I don't. And she's doing her thing, so she does that. Nobody cares. I'm not to that level yet, but. But yeah, but it's about like. I mean, I'm having 10 minute climaxes.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Janelle Gordon]

So right now with my partner, that is. I told him the other day, I said, I'm never leaving you 10 minutes. Like, we counted nine, so nine's close at 10.

[Podcast Host]

Nine is still nuts. I think my longest is 10 seconds.

[Janelle Gordon]

You said as long as it's 10 seconds. Well, is that practicing tantric retention?

[Podcast Host]

I do. I used to do like semen. Tantric. Yeah, but not like disciplined enough.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's a lot of work and you're so busy, so it's like, if you really want to go with that, you will get to those longer ones. For women, it's a little bit different. And. And that's the thing. Like, that's why the crying comes in. Imagine I'm going one minute, two minutes, and I'm still going. It's kind of funny thing now with him. I'm like, I'm still going. He's like, I know.

[Podcast Host]

I could see why you're crying though.

[Janelle Gordon]

He just sits there and he's so like, to me, oh my God. I'm like, how does he not. Or like orgasm in that moment. If.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, because you're super tight at that point.

[Janelle Gordon]

Like I'm. And I'm like crying, losing it. And that's what really gets men going. Right? A woman is feeling full pleasure and she's in her highest state of receptivity and femininity. She's climaxing for 2, 3, 4, 5. Like, that's why I'm so like, I didn't cat ever leave him. He doesn't want to get married. He already told me I won't get married. He said he'll do a ceremony with me.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Janelle Gordon]

But he won't do the marriage. It's okay.

[Podcast Host]

That's not a deal breaker for you?

[Janelle Gordon]

No, I understand. I mean, I'm not traditional. Right. He's really good. Like, you know, it's like, if I was like a regular woman, I would probably say I want the ring, but I can't do all this stuff and be like. Yeah, and I want to be traditional too.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, with your lifestyle. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

And like when I teach, it's just not normal. So to me, I'll take the nine minute climaxes. If that means I don't get like a legal thing, I don't need that. Like, to me, that's the legal is. Oftentimes I feel what ruins it for most. So, yeah, I'm very happy. Needless to say, like, that is. It's so attractive that a man will not be moved even in that moment of pleasure. And to me, that's like the ultimate shiva move right there. Like you, you're so. You're so in control of your ejaculation that I'm literally like dying in pleasure. And you're still like unmoved.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Hats off to him.

[Janelle Gordon]

I know.

[Podcast Host]

Is it gay for men to enjoy anal play?

[Janelle Gordon]

No, it's not. Anal is. It's. It's very interesting how our bodies work. The male G spot is located obviously in the prostate. I don't know. You're familiar with that, right? And I don't know if you've ever had any. I haven't And I think. I think there's two types of men. Men are like strictly. They're like gay, don't come near me. But then there's men who maybe. I don't think it's right when women do this, do this without telling them. I don't think that's okay. I have never done that. I've been. It's been that invitation only because I respect Sheba, you know, but so I've heard from my clients and men that women have just put a finger or just jammed a tongue or just gone there or a toy without asking. And that is not cool because if they did that to us, it wouldn't be cool. So we shouldn't be doing that to them.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

But for a man, it's a very, very sensitive area around, around the anal area. Just even if it's not like a toy or finger, just licking it can be very highly arousal and it can take him to an intense climax. And I think once they have those kind of climaxes, it's sort of. It's. It's like a release, you know, it's a. It's a different kind of release. And I think that can be exciting and something that they want to get experience. I don't think there's anything gay about it. It's not like it's another lingam inside of their butt or something.

[Podcast Host]

That's.

[Janelle Gordon]

That's different, right? That's. That's gay sex. A tongue, that's just. It's the body, it's the anatomy. And your G spot just happens to be located in a very unique area. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Do women have any spots in there or. No?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, a woman's. If guys, if your woman isn't doing anal, you're missing out. You need to listen to this next part. Anal sex for a woman is. I think we talked about it.

[Podcast Host]

It's a stress reliever, right.

[Janelle Gordon]

I think this is one performing. But let me tell you, because it's the. Upon a value, the downward spiraling, moving energy. But a woman's climax in. In anal climax, I was like trying to word my words, right? It is like earth shattering. It is such a different kind of orgasm. It's like. It's like having like cheesecake versus creme brulee. They're so, both so good. But it's like. How do you really say, like, oh, one over the other. It's like they're both decadent desserts.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

And that's like the anal orgasm for me. I don't have it all the time. I would be lying. I've had it a few times in my life with someone who's very large and very large. Very that 1% category, if you will. And I say all that to say that anal is possible for women. I think that there's a misconception that if you're a little bigger that women, you can't do it. Correct.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

That's not the case. If it's done correctly with, you know, an organic lube like coconut or ghee or something of that nature, and there's a stimulation that's done. I recommend the nipples. Nipples is the best because it's the, it's the negative pole of energy and it opens, it opens the positive poles. It's relaxing. And when you have a dual simulation like nipple play, or you're playing, in this case, I don't mind playing with the clitoris a little bit to help relax her. Then you can do anal quite easily. As long as she's pushing, not resisting, pushing out. Does that make sense? But an anal orgasm will change your life. And women, you should definitely give it a try. I think that a lot of women are missing out on that.

[Podcast Host]

You heard a year woman get, get it going.

[Janelle Gordon]

Get the anal going.

[Podcast Host]

I think we got through most of it, honestly. Anything else you want to cover?

[Janelle Gordon]

I think you. There was a few. There was one thing I think, I think it's an interesting to talk about is the top. The top three hacks for lasting.

[Podcast Host]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Listen, I think that's really important. Someone said to me, a teacher told me, like, if you want results like everyone else does, then do what everyone else does. The top three hacks for intimacy are not. They're probably, maybe not what you think of as conventional, but they do work. So the number one would be to sleep in separate beds or homes. This is a non negotiable for me. And you have to talk about this with your partner now in real estate, actually they're making his and her bedrooms and bathrooms.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Janelle Gordon]

It's a thing now?

[Podcast Host]

Yes. Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

I think more is for closet space, but they are doing it a closet and bathroom space. Not so much for the sleeping, but for us in the tantrics it's about the sleeping. You know, there's five energy bodies, so there's the physical, the energetic, the mental, the emotional and the causal, which is the spiritual. When you sleep at night, your auras combine, your energy bodies combine and you turn into one.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Janelle Gordon]

Which is why you see grandparents and people who've been married a long time, they start looking like each other. Have you noticed that? You're like, why does everyone look the same? Well, that's why.

[Podcast Host]

Same with people and their dogs.

[Janelle Gordon]

Correct, Correct. So for, for lasting sexual polarity, you want to keep that magnet, like, attracted. And the best way to do that is to not sleep together. That's why it's so passionate with my guy and I, because we don't see each other that often, a couple times a week. But when we do, we're just so magnetized. And I already said, like, I was like, I think we need separate homes. And he's like, no, no, but at least separate rooms. So you have to find that tantrics stay together for a long time because the polarity is strong. They don't ever, you know, leave because they still want to have sex with each other and be around them. The second thing that you need to do is you need to schedule blow jobs and sex. Why do you need to schedule blow jobs? I think it's important that a man gets that release of just being able to relax and recede. Women don't really. They don't like doing it. They're like, oh, I'll do it on the anniversaries and things like that. Yeah, but for a man, it's the one time where he doesn't have to do anything. He can just take that and it's, it's, it's a good thing for him to have that. For a woman, we are, we're not moved so much by sex, so that's not as important. But the intimacy, the lovemaking is. And if you don't schedule it, it won't happen. I'm sure you do a lot in your life, including podcasts and whatnot with your, with your lady, all these things, but I'm sure you schedule it right. If it doesn't go on your calendar, does it happen? Like, I don't want to schedule sex. It should be natural. Well, that's why you're not having it. And that's why marriage is end in divorce. And the, the number one reason, or it goes vacillates between one and two is infidelity. Men aren't getting sex, so they're going out and finding it. So if you have to schedule it until you make it a habit where it just happens automatically, like you brush your teeth every morning, then you have.

[Podcast Host]

To do it right.

[Janelle Gordon]

The last thing I would say is don't be idle together. Meaning what most people do in relationship relationships, you get off work, you go home, you might be watching Sports Center. She Might be scrolling through the feed and that you call that hanging out.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Janelle Gordon]

And that is what most people do in relationships today. That's the number one thing that weakens polarity is just spending idle time where you're not both present, connected, vulnerable with each other and actively doing something. And that is why I think we see a huge lapse in just the sexual polarity weaken and people leaving in and out of relationships fast. If you've been together like a year, that's like a big thing today. Even a year. Whoa. You know, it's. It's crazy. So those are the three hacks.

[Podcast Host]

I love those.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

The last one I love a lot.

[Janelle Gordon]

The last one was good. You. I wanted to touch on one other thing. If we have too many. The thoughts on the. The monogamy and cucks. I thought the cuckoo was a very.

[Podcast Host]

I know you've debated a couple of them.

[Janelle Gordon]

I have. Destiny. When are you setting that back up, by the way?

[Podcast Host]

So if you're going to AM Fest in December, I'll set it up there.

[Janelle Gordon]

What's that?

[Podcast Host]

Charlie Kirk's, the early event.

[Janelle Gordon]

Oh, when is that?

[Podcast Host]

It's in Phoenix. December 18th.

[Janelle Gordon]

I can do that. I mean, Phoenix is easy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, he'll be there.

[Janelle Gordon]

Going to be around.

[Podcast Host]

Fuentes.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, we got.

[Podcast Host]

You want to debate him?

[Janelle Gordon]

We were going to.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah. He. He. He said no, but he said yes.

[Janelle Gordon]

I was the one that cancelled.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, you.

[Janelle Gordon]

Because of my situation?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

He said yes.

[Podcast Host]

You gotta set that up.

[Janelle Gordon]

Gotta set that up. I'm here to remember.

[Podcast Host]

We'll do Destiny first because Nick's on a crazy trajectory right now. He might be hard to get. He just went on PBD yesterday. Yeah, but Destiny will do it.

[Janelle Gordon]

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

He's getting canceled again or no.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, and I gotta, like, do some stuff that show him the receipts of things he accused me of, so that'll be cool. I said I didn't write my book.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, really?

[Janelle Gordon]

And now I gotta show them. And then he said that my story was fake, so I gotta show him.

[Podcast Host]

My dad talk. You gotta bring out the receipts.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, receipts, but the cucks. Should we talk about that?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, let's end off with cucks.

[Janelle Gordon]

That should be a show. So, Cox. All right, so it's simple. This is. Tell me what you think of this theory.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

Because a lot of men now, it's kind of a trend now, right? Like, oh, my wife, you know, I just sent her off with a man. Diddy was one of the most famous.

[Podcast Host]

Ones I just had on. Diddy's prostitute. Oh, you were?

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah, he came to my house first and then he came to you.

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Janelle Gordon]

I love him.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Janelle Gordon]

Such a stand up guy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, he's a very, very good dude.

[Janelle Gordon]

Very in depth. Not what you'd think.

[Podcast Host]

Not at all.

[Janelle Gordon]

People think about me, they're probably like, oh. And then when they meet me, they're like, damn, she's real. He was amazing. Loved him. Punisher. I can't name his name, but Punisher. So yeah, cuts is super simple. One, it's. I think it's three things. One, it's an inadequacy. I think it's either a short dick, no money, or too much power. Those three things. The last one I forgot. Overweight. And it's all about performance. So the short dick, overweight is kind of performance. A lot of the cucks that I've either worked with or I've seen something was. There was something there. An inadequacy, meaning they didn't have a big dick, they were overweight, they couldn't even see their dick. How are they gonna have sex? They're like, you know, so they know this because I knew a very famous producer in Hollywood who was one. His dream was to marry me and to have me sleep with black eyes all day. And I was like, I actually considered it. I was like, it's literally what I do.

[Podcast Host]

It's not the worst off.

[Janelle Gordon]

It's not the worst. I'll be taking care of my son, be in private school. I mean, he was coming on thick. He's like, son's in private school. I don't want you to work, but you can do something fun on the side. And I was like, like, dude, why did I not take him up on this offer? This is literally my life. I sleep with black man. But I was like, no. Like, I just, I couldn't energetically. I was like, no. But I'm was considering him decent offer. Decent offer. And yeah, it's because he had a small dick and he was overweight, he could perform. I knew it. He didn't tell me those words. Yeah, but I knew it. I saw it. You know, like, I. He sent me the footage. I was like, okay, this is what's happening. And then a money thing. He had money in that case. But it was the other. And then I think is when they have power, when they have too much power, it's. It's something where if they're not connected, like what I call Shiva energy is like directed, connected focus energy towards God. And they are in tune with that they don't know what to do with that. So it's like. It's like an imbalance. And so for them, in that narrative, I'm paying you to fuck my wife. You know? Oh, I'm in control. It's like, really? Okay. Yeah. You know, like, Punisher is like, I'll take the 20 grand, whatever it is, and he's off to the next thing.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Janelle Gordon]

So I think that. That what that is, it's a way for men to justify being mediocre on some level of their life.

[Podcast Host]

I could see that it's an issue these days. We need to fix it.

[Janelle Gordon]

Yeah. Because it's kind of.

[Podcast Host]

Guys are simping out here, simping in the street. Well, Janelle, it's been cool. When's the next retreat? Where can people find you where you're not banned?

[Janelle Gordon]

Love that question. Oh, my gosh. Instagram. Shakti Living. JG for Janelle Gordon. Get my book, Amazon, and next retreats in Tulum.

[Podcast Host]

Awesome.

[Janelle Gordon]

February, Valentine's Day.

[Podcast Host]

Nice. That's my birthday. Yeah, we'll link it in the video. Cool. Thanks for coming on again. See you guys. I hope you guys are enjoying the show. Please don't forget to like and subscribe. It helps the show a lot with the algorithm. Thank you.