Jesse ON FIRE: Simulation Theory: Are We Living in a Programmed Reality? | DSH #1505

Summary

Digital Social Hour with Jesse on Fire: "Simulation Theory: Are We Living in a Programmed Reality?"

Host: Sean Kelly
Guest: Jesse on Fire
Episode: DSH #1505
Date: August 22, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, host Sean Kelly invites outspoken Internet commentator Jesse on Fire to explore some of the biggest conspiracy topics shaping modern discourse: the Epstein case, elite power games, alternative media, the future of artificial intelligence (AI), simulation theory, aliens, and current trends in mixed martial arts (MMA). The episode is a no-holds-barred conversation that moves from the dark corners of global scandals to philosophical questions about reality itself, touching on social media censorship, political branding, AI, and what it means to live in a simulated universe.

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Major Discussion Points and Insights

1. Epstein Case: Cover-Ups, Missing Victims, and Media Manipulation

Timestamps: [00:43]–[11:14]

• Epstein Files and Trump Allegations:
  Jesse raises the possibility that Trump's name appearing in Epstein's files may be used as leverage:
  • "It would have to be something real fucked up...my guess is, if it's anything, ... some kind of... call... even if it was 30 years ago, and he acknowledged that he, you know, fudged around with a high school girl... That's the only thing I could think of that would make sense." ([01:24])
• Handling of Epstein Documents:
  Jesse suggests those releasing the documents underestimated how much the public already knew:
  • "They’ve never gone on these forums and looked and seen that. Like, we all know that stuff... they thought [the binders were a big deal] but... We’ve known about this on Reddit for three years." ([04:58])
• On the Victims' Absence:
  Both note the strange invisibility of Epstein's victims:
  • "Where are all these girls that were on the island? Are they alive?... Can they be prosecuted? It happened in the middle of nowhere." ([08:19])
• Negligent Power Plays:
  On authorities trying to kill the story:
  "That's how it sounds to me is like, maybe Trump just came in and he’s like, we gotta just kill this whole thing. ... Before you started trying to put a lid on this. Because now you made it a thousand times worse." ([06:18])

2. Social Media, Influence, and Narratives

Timestamps: [11:14]–[19:50]

• Control by Algorithm:
  Jesse discusses how social feeds shape opinions:
  • "If you start showing people nothing but dead children in Palestine, what do you think their opinion is... So you can very easily affect anyone's opinion if you target them specifically." ([19:08])
• Censorship and Amplification:
  Changes since Elon Musk bought X and loosened restrictions:
  • "If one of the main [platforms] allows people to talk about this, that or the other, the other ones are forced into allowing it." ([12:27])
• Negative Virality:
  The podcast pivots to rage-bait and engagement:
  • "It’s what you interact with... At least for me, it’s – I see something that makes me mad." ([19:50])

3. Simulation Theory and the Nature of Reality

Timestamps: [26:04]–[29:33]

• VR as a Gateway to Doubt:
  The role of immersive tech in reimagining reality:
  • "The first time I put on a VR headset is when I started very seriously considering simulation theory... If you can have all of your senses fully immersed... where you could be in there and didn’t know?" ([26:17])
• Condensed Life Experiences:
  Jesse proposes a future where entire lifetimes could unfold in minutes:
  • "What if... you can experience 80 years in what is actually an hour... Just hook them up and you can live forever." ([28:16])
• Link to Near Death Experiences:
  Theorizing programmed consciousness transitions:
  • "My hypothesis is a program to ease you out of the experience you’ve been in for 75 to 80 years." ([28:39])

4. Aliens: Evidence and Skepticism

Timestamps: [32:10]–[37:52]

• Credible Mass Sightings:
  Jesse cites the Phoenix Lights case and military UFO encounters:
  • "10,000 witnesses... every single one of them, without fail, said it’s impossible that humans built this thing, including Fife Symington, governor and Air Force." ([33:30])
• Abduction Stories:
  He recounts the Travis Walton case as "the one abduction story I believe."
  • "There were seven lumberjacks ... all have passed 100 lie detectors on this." ([35:16])
• Aliens & Simulation:
  Simulation theory does not negate the possible existence of aliens.

5. MMA and the Nature of Contemporary Feuds

Timestamps: [37:54]–[46:09]

• Manufactured vs. Real Beefs:
  Dissecting the authenticity of classic UFC rivalries (Colby Covington & Jorge Masvidal, Jones & Cormier):
  • "Most of the beefs are fake, if we’re being honest." ([39:42])
• Superstar Dilemmas:
  "I feel like the UFC doesn't want superstars anymore. Not like Connor level, the Jones level, the Nate level... Once [they’re] that rich, it’s impossible to get them to fight." ([44:07])
• Power Slap & Bare Knuckle:
  Jesse’s discomfort with Power Slap is counterbalanced by nuanced views on violence and spectacle in combat sports.

6. Allegations, Cancel Culture, and Power Dynamics

Timestamps: [46:09]–[50:34]

• Weaponizing Allegations:
  On controversy surrounding Andrew Tate, Russell Brand, Conor McGregor:
  • "It’s nuts how they weaponize this against men, right? Russell Brand from 25 years ago." ([47:53])
• Selective Media Targeting:
  Discussion on timing and motives in high-profile accusations:
  • "Would that have happened if he wasn’t successful and talking about the things he’s talking about?" ([49:23])
• Host's and Guest's Self-Reflection:
  Both reflect on controversy avoidance and the importance of personal conduct in a 'gotcha culture'.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Social Media Manipulation:
  "If you want to control the opinions of celebrities, that's easy because you control their feed." — Jesse on Fire ([19:08])

• On the Epstein Disclosures:
  "They have the ability to put whatever they want into that file... As the new DOJ comes in, they're like, give us everything you have on Epstein, and they're trying to hide it originally, and they keep putting pressure on him." — Jesse on Fire ([02:40])

• On the Parallels Between AI and Humanity's Fears:
  "I think that's humans projecting humanity onto the AI, because humans are like, well, what if they hurt us and then we go bomb them?" — Jesse on Fire ([00:00], repeated at [27:00])

• On Simulation Theory and Near-Death Experiences:
  "A program to ease you out of the experience that you've been in for 75 to 80 years. Because imagine how jarring it would be if you just lived 80 years and on the other side you’re this other person..." — Jesse on Fire ([28:39])

• On Manufactured Political Personas:
  "Gavin [Newsom] is the only politician... that understands the new game... The like, faceless, you know, big balloon head celebrity thing – that doesn't work anymore. Gavin recognizes that." — Jesse on Fire ([20:54])

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Key Timestamps of Important Segments

• [01:24] — Deep dive into Trump’s involvement in Epstein docs
• [04:58] — The influencer "Epstein release" bungle
• [08:19] — The mystery of the missing victims
• [11:38] — How much public pressure still matters
• [19:08] — Social media feeds and programmable perception
• [26:17] — VR/gaming as conceptual gateway to simulation theory
• [28:16] — Speculation on time compression and simulated lifespans
• [33:30] — The Phoenix Lights mass UFO sighting
• [35:16] — Travis Walton's abduction case
• [39:42] — Are UFC beefs real or manufactured?
• [44:07] — The UFC’s changing attitude toward superstars
• [47:53] — Weaponized allegations against controversial men

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Tone and Style

• Spontaneous and candid:
  Jesse’s language is raw and unfiltered, marked by skepticism and humor.
• Conspiratorial but analytic:
  Both host and guest often float dark or controversial ideas but also question sources and motives.
• Conversational and irreverent:
  The tone is informal, with rapid topic shifts and frequent pop culture/political references.

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Closing

Jesse on Fire can be found on YouTube, X, and Instagram as "Real Jesse on Fire."

• "I'm on good terms with everybody, dude. I've never had, like... there are no girls that I've had that I'm on bad terms with, you know?" ([49:57])
• "Where can people find you? Jesse on Fire on YouTube... Real Jesse on Fire is my handle." ([50:39])

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This episode is a fast-paced, provocative tour through skepticism, internet culture, and existential speculation, offering a peek into the minds shaping today's unfiltered alternative media discourse.

Transcript

[Jesse on Fire]

And a lot of people are terrified about where AI is going to go and whether or not the AI is going to turn on us and kill us. My opinion, honestly, is I think that's humans projecting humanity onto the AI, because humans are like, well, what if they hurt us and then we go bomb them? Like, which seems psychopathic when you really think about it.

[Podcast Host]

All right, guys, we got Jesse on fire out in Vegas. Let's go, baby.

[Jesse on Fire]

Let's do this.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, how much did you gamble last night?

[Jesse on Fire]

Zero, actually. Which is rare for me to be in Vegas and not gamble, but I didn't. I didn't play at all, actually.

[Podcast Host]

Played it safe.

[Jesse on Fire]

I played it safe. I was tired, man.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I feel that. Yeah. A lot happening with Epstein, man.

[Jesse on Fire]

Dude, I. What do you think? You think if. If you had to bet your life on if someone's leaning on Trump, and that's why, like, I think it's fair to assume now Trump's definitely in the file that Comey and them turned over, but if you had to bet on whether there's something that, like, an entity is actually leaning on Trump about, where they're like, you need to make this go away. Or else you think. You think they got something like that?

[Podcast Host]

They'd have to be really powerful. But it's. It's possible, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, I mean, it's. I mean, it's. Yeah, it's always possible. I think that the. The thing about him, though, is if you look at, like, how he campaigned, the. The best term I ever heard. We're swearing on here.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you can.

[Jesse on Fire]

Ben Shapiro said that Trump is a mud monster. And he's like. Because anything you throw at him, it just. He just absorbs it. It doesn't matter. So it would have to be something real fucked up. Yeah, you know, it would have to be something real fucked up. That's why I don't think, like, I don't think Trump fucked kids. You know what I mean? So my guess is, if it's anything, it would have been some kind of. Because he was buddies with Epstein back in the day, like, you know, it seems like good buddies. You look at those clips of them together, they're laughing and, like, looking at chicks and stuff. And if you know for sure that Epstein's entire purpose of interacting with all these people is specifically to entrap them into material that he. He can use against them or whoever's running them can use, it wouldn't be hard, I don't think, to get Trump to say something really stupid into a phone call. You know, if that's. If that's the type of the relationship that they have. And, you know, Epstein made some comment about some girl that he had that's like, in high school, and then Trump kind of, you know. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, imagine how damaging that would be now if it was an authentic call, even if it was 30 years ago and he acknowledged that he, you know, fudged around with, like, a high school girl. And then Trump said something kind of affirming it in any way, like, that's. That's the only thing that I could think of that would make sense.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it'd be hard to think of something, because with Trump, he's so open about everything. This is the first time I've seen him so, like, reserved about anything.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, right. Yeah, they painted themselves into a corner, honestly, if. If. If this thing actually played out the way that I think it did, which is because Maureen Comey is the one who tried the Diddy case, the Ghislaine Maxwell case, and would have tried the Epstein case had he not, you know, died. So the file was definitely in her possession. She's James Comey's daughter, which means, I mean, she is an adversary of Trump. There's no. There's no conversation there for sure. And they have the ability to put whatever they want into that file. And so as the new DOJ comes in, they're like, give us everything you have on Epstein, and they're trying to hide it originally, and they keep putting pressure on him. You know, if you're James Comey, you're like, yeah, give him that file and then put whatever you want in it. And then, you know, you potentially have. Have him in a jackpot where if they release it all, it makes him look bad. But the word that just got released or got reported this week was that exactly what happened was Pam Bondi went to Trump, but she's like, your name is in this a lot more than we anticipated. And then. So Trump started saying, like, okay, well then shut it down. But in that same article, it said that the source that claimed that also said that there's nothing in that. He's not implicated in any wrongdoing. He's just all over the file. And so if they're. If their purpose was to get everything they had on Epstein and then just kind of word vomit the entire thing out and just hand it to the public, and it's like, trump. Trump. Trump.

[Podcast Host]

Trump. Trump.

[Jesse on Fire]

Trump.

[Podcast Host]

Trump. Trump.

[Jesse on Fire]

Trump. Trump. That probably looks bad, but it's a pretty bizarre way to go about it, though, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, you know, you're like, what are you guys talking about? The whole thing's a hoax. Everyone's all, you guys. Literally, you guys brought a bunch of influencers out here, gave them binders, called it Epstein release phase one, and had them go, you know, like, to all of their eyes, which. And the only stuff you had in there was a bunch of stuff everybody already knew. You know, I had a few of.

[Podcast Host]

Those influencers on the pod. They felt. Well, the ones I talked to at least felt a little bamboozled, I would assume. So they felt like they got played.

[Jesse on Fire]

Ye. You know, I think my honest opinion about what happened there is. I don't think that Pam Bondi or Trump or those people who are in decision making roles actually understood the culture of people online who have been after Epstein. I don't think they, like, got it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they underestimated that for sure.

[Jesse on Fire]

They just didn't understand. So they're like, okay, well, we've got these flight logs. We've got this, we've got this. They got this. And they've never gone on all these forums and looked and seen that. Like, we all know that stuff. You know, we all know. So, like, they thought they're all, here you go, look at these, look at these flight logs. You know, they give us fancy binders. You know, everybody looks at him. We're all cool. Like, we've. We've known about this on Reddit for three years.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know, I think that is probably what happened in that one. And then the other thing that I really don't understand, though, was when Pam Bondi comes out and says that she has 10,000 hours of videos of Epstein with children, that is exactly what she said. And she's like, now we're reviewing them. You have a source that goes to Alex Jones and tells him that they have multiple people inside the FBI who are reviewing all these tapes because they need to watch all of them. 10,000 hours is an endless amount of horrific stuff to watch. And they're watching all of it so that they can compile all of it. And then all of a sudden they're like, yeah, we don't have anything. And actually what she was talking about was just run of the mill, dark web child. And you're like, that's not what you said at all, dude. Like, so I don't know, it smells like someone who wasn't thinking this through very well was like, just kill the whole thing, you know, like, that's. That's how it sounds to me is like, maybe Trump just came in and he's like, we got to just kill this whole thing. And then just walked out. And all of them are sitting there looking at each other, you know what I mean? They're like, what? Like, we can't just like kill the whole thing. He's like, I'll take care of it. Then writes this tweet, you know, and he just. You're like, bro, this is a thing where you needed to understand the details before you started trying to put a lid on this. Because now you made it a thousand times worse.

[Podcast Host]

There seems to be something evil they're hiding, bro. Because I searched for hours on the Internet looking for survivors because I wanted to have some on the pod and I couldn't find anything.

[Jesse on Fire]

That's the thing that has always blown my mind about this is. Okay, so the Florida case, right? The original one, which should be a dividing line in the like a timeline moment that everyone should take note of and then consider when they're evaluating everyone's behavior on this. Which is when Epstein went down for the Florida case, even though he was given a.

[Podcast Host]

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[Jesse on Fire]

Go anywhere without it, sweetheart. Deal. It's like from that moment forward, if you're associating with them after that, that's a completely different thing. If you're friends with them before that, even if, you know, we find out, okay, well, the guy was a scumbag. It's like, okay, but he didn't have a charge that he had pled guilty to solit. Like soliciting sex from a minor. Dude, if. If one of my super close friends did that, you think that I'm just like, hey, bro, hey, hey, did you get your, you know, get done with your term in jail, let's go like go watch a football game, you know what I mean? Like even a single count of that, you're like, bro, that's. That's a wrap for us. You know what I mean? So. But in that case, there were 200. And it was either 200 or 250 victims. And it was just a daisy train of these like young kind of 14 to, you know, 13 to like 16 who were bribed by Epstein to bring new girls in. Ghislaine Maxwell would like, make them feel comfortable. The girls, the new one would always think that the one who brought them there was going to be in the room with them and they were going to be massaging him. And then boom, they just abandoned her there. Like they just take her, you know, oh, get your shirt off. He just likes it like this whatever gal and the other one. And they would just leave her there, like alone with Epstein. And now you have a 14 year old in the same situation that Weinstein would put these grown ups in that they couldn't, they couldn't manage it. So in that case, where are all those girls? Like, and then, and then which ones of those are on the island? Like, where are these girls that were on the island? Are they alive? Like, are they. Do you know what I mean? Because like the, the island, you have no, I believe at least the purpose of the island is it's in international waters. There's no government there, so there's no laws. That's the other thing that I've thought about. It's like, let's say that you found out that this person did whatever on the island. Like, can they be prosecuted? That happened in the middle of nowhere, like a point. I don't. I honestly don't know. But yeah. Where are the victims? Virginia Giuffre is the only one that everyone knew about and she, you know.

[Podcast Host]

Blair White just had one on the pod. But yeah, they seem to be very few and far in between. Yeah, they seem very hard to find.

[Jesse on Fire]

What, what was the, what did, what happened in that conversation?

[Podcast Host]

I didn't watch the whole thing, but she was just talking about all the things she went through, like getting like MK Ultra. Honestly.

[Jesse on Fire]

Really?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, some dark stuff.

[Jesse on Fire]

Ish. And, and this girl was verified to have been like in these case files. Like it's there for sure. Real.

[Podcast Host]

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, Blair does her research, so I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt on that.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, for sure. You know, it's interesting because I saw there. So Sean Atwood had this girl on who said that she was the niece of Jeffrey Epstein. And I watched some of that one.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

And it's possible, like, I just, it was one of those ones where I'm watching, I'm like, really, dude. Like, because she's, you know, she's talking about satanic cults and Moloch and all that stuff. And that's all very publicly known. If you've kind of dug into this thing. Yeah, I didn't hear anything that was. That was new. And I don't have any way of verifying whether or not she's related to the guy. And at a certain point, like, this stuff is so monstrous that that's. I think that's why it's so hard for people to believe. It's like, is that really be true?

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. You never know what's a distraction too, these days.

[Jesse on Fire]

Right? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Where they're trying to put your attention towards.

[Jesse on Fire]

Totally.

[Podcast Host]

I feel like that's a common tactic.

[Jesse on Fire]

They're going to have a hard time doing that away from the Epstein case.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It seems like people aren't forgetting this one usually with like a breaking news, like goes away in 24 hours, but this one's not.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Forgotten.

[Jesse on Fire]

Dude. I have a random question for you related to that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

So I've always wondered what people would do if out of nowhere they stopped even pretending to care what we think. You know, like if. Because I always thought like during COVID when the people would. Like when the people would kind of start to. To make noise, I. I was convinced by everyone's behavior during that period that like, they would have complied with almost anything, like, if they just were like, yeah, we're just, you know, hammer down and so like on a thing like this where they're like, bottom line, we're never going to talk about this case ever again. No one's ever going to talk about it. It's like, you know, people would make noise and. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I just don't know how much. I'm curious how much like the population's energy actually matters.

[Podcast Host]

That's a good question.

[Jesse on Fire]

Do you know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I do. I mean, with social media, it's got to be amplified these days, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like, I feel like it's way harder to get away with stuff now.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. Social media, that would. And that's the thing that changed everything was when Elon bought X and opened up what you could say on social media. Because that was the thing that was so frustrating prior to that was like, you get banned for anything.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jesse on Fire]

And that's exactly like to your point, if they just decided, you know, whoever's kind of making the phone calls and they tell X, they're like, hey, we're done with this topic. And then they, you know, do whatever they do. And anyone who says Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell, it gets D ranked, they're like, I don't know, I'm not getting any views on these. Or your views are completely fake or whatever they're doing to make it just, they could just shut down any conversation. But, you know, I have a, I have a YouTube, like, partner manager.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

And he's just like. Yeah. I mean, if, if one platform allows people to. One of the main ones allows people to talk about this, that or the other, the other ones are forced into allowing it also.

[Podcast Host]

That's true. I feel like YouTube's gotten a lot leaner. Right.

[Jesse on Fire]

Me, I agree.

[Podcast Host]

Same with Instagram. And yeah, Tick Tock's a weird one.

[Jesse on Fire]

I, I, I don't post there anymore. Just like, because I, they, they kicked me off the platform.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I just got banned.

[Jesse on Fire]

Oh, you did? Yeah, I got reinstated and then I was like, you know, they demonetized me and then kicked me off for nothing. Do you remember when Conor McGregor put that video up where it was like, you could kind of tell that his, his girl was like giving him a head on the boat, but you can't like, see anything. Yeah, I put that up and they banned me. And I was like, it's a, it's literally a video of the horizon off of his boat. You just can barely see that. There is like a head right there. So I don't know, I, I disputed it and that's the one time that they overturned one. But I used to, I got community guidelines videos taken down so many times. I was like, okay, I'm done with this platform, man.

[Podcast Host]

That was before his news got leaked, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, yeah. Do you make it, do you like, do you make any money on Tick Tock?

[Podcast Host]

Nah, I was making like a thousand a month. Nothing crazy.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I don't really care about it.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, it was never like a money.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I think YouTube and Instagram and Twitter, if you're in politics.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Like the most important ones.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, I don't, yeah, I've, I just focus basically all of my energy on, on YouTube.

[Podcast Host]

YouTube, yeah. Yeah. That's where the money is. I mean, yeah, shorts I guess, are decent, but like the long forms where you have killing.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Did you post your debate with destiny on your YouTube?

[Jesse on Fire]

I posted part of it, yeah. Yeah, no, not the, like the whole thing. I, it for me personally, like, I wish I could have and had people actually watch it, you know, because it was Like. But Yeah, I mean, 90 minute videos. There's no one will click on it, no one will watch it. And it just hurts my. You know, I put the part. Because at the end of that conversation, we got into the COVID stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

And I was like, oh, he doesn't know anything. You know, like, he doesn't. He doesn't.

[Podcast Host]

Is he Pro Vax?

[Jesse on Fire]

But what he was. His, his whole point was he was like, he's like. I'm just. The thing about how he frames things is he goes to the absolute most extreme version of what the right says, and then he poses and then he will just like propose that as if that's your opinion. Which is very challenging with me because that's never my opinion. You know what I mean? I ate him on that part because it was like. Anyway. Yeah. Because I just. So I just got into like what the States actually did. He didn't know anything about it. You know, he didn't know that New York had fired all the health care workers.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jesse on Fire]

He didn't even know that.

[Podcast Host]

That's crazy.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. He was like googling it.

[Podcast Host]

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[Jesse on Fire]

You know, and I'm like, yeah, dude, like, are you gonna defend that? You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

That's another thing. When he's debating, he's looking stuff up. Right? Yeah, I noticed that.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, he's super smart, dude. Yeah, he's super smart. He's just, you know, I can't tell if he. If he uses like X for rage bait or if he, you know, I like, I'm pretty good at like evaluating people and what they're doing. And my, my read on him is that I think that he puts that stuff like that crazy stuff on X because he knows that people are going to respond to it. Talk about him and it'll make him trend. Because you don't ever hear him say that shit in person. It's like, hey, talk about the fucking flood victims with me in person guy.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Jesse on Fire]

You know what I mean? Say something about the dead babies in person with someone across you. Even if it's not me, say it. Say it in front of a human. He never does that.

[Podcast Host]

So, like, said they couldn't swim or something. I saw that.

[Jesse on Fire]

He said a bunch of stuff about.

[Podcast Host]

The flood that happens every couple months with him. Something just outrageous. He'll tweet and then it'll be viral everywhere.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, it's. I mean, he doesn't see any, he doesn't see any repercussions from it. You know, it's like, it's not like he, he's like kind of un. Cancelable in his space because like, we were just talking about who's the guy who's going to replace him. You have to have a smart left wing person that's going to argue those positions to do these debates. And it's like, who's going to replace him?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they struggle to have people do that, I guess. Right. I don't know what it is about the left, but they just don't have good debaters.

[Jesse on Fire]

They have some pretty tough positions to, you know, to defend in a lot of cases. The thing that's crazy too about now, though is like, you have, you have a lot of alignment between the right and the left and yet they're still arguing with each other.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know, it's like, like a lot of alignment, if you look at what I mean. I don't even. I, I never even touch on Palestine and Israel ever. I'm not going to now either. I just will comment on the fact that it seems like there's a lot of alignment on both sides and there is.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

People are still arguing all the time.

[Podcast Host]

It seems like most of the division right now is on the right because of the Epstein stuff. Honestly.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. Yeah. I can't tell. Like, I just, I think they're just. I think everybody's just mad that they're not getting to see what's coming out. But then since, since that moment where, where they said that, you know, oh, this is all a big hoax and it blew up in their face completely. They were like, oh, this is not gonna work.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

There have been now, like, stories coming. It's like, oh, Ghislaine Maxwell's testifying. And people are like, oh, they're just trying to distract. And it's like, yeah, but like, she's talking, you know, I don't know what they're gonna do with that information. But I'll tell you this, dude, if they pardon Ghislaine Maxwell, that I'm out. Straight up, dude. Like, I'm out. Because like, we were just talking about, in the, you know, the, about what they did and how they ran that Daisy trade in Florida. She is a monster.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

She was taking, like, sophomores in high school and walking them into a room and her role was to make them feel comfortable so that the pedophile in the other room could, you know, much more easily molest them without their Pushback.

[Podcast Host]

Crazy.

[Jesse on Fire]

Pardon? Because. Oh, because she has some information. Like what I said on my channel. I was like, this is simple. If you want her to talk, you don't offer her incentives. You offer her a fucking stick. It's like you're gonna tell us what you know. We're gonna put you in supermax. You think anybody's gonna give a about you if we put you in supermax? What are they gonna do? Nothing. No one will have your back. No one will care. So if you don't want that outcome, then you need to talk.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Commute her sentence. Pardon? Why? She's a monster. Would you commute Jeffrey Epstein, Would you Pardon Jeffrey Epstein. It's exactly the same thing.

[Podcast Host]

Who even knows what's been done to her, too? Like, she could have had her memories wiped. Like, who knows what sort of technology they have these days?

[Jesse on Fire]

You know, if you get. Yeah, I mean, I wish I knew, like, how the MK Ultra stuff actually worked. You know, it seems like, I mean, a lot of.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, A lot of theories around it with celebrities and politicians being programmed.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. I mean, you know that obviously if you're a social media platform and you want to control the opinions of celebrities, that's easy because you control their feed.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know, all. If you. I mean, if you start showing people nothing but dead children in Palestine, what do you think their opinion is going to be? Or if you start showing them nothing but black people getting constantly beat up by police, what do you think their opinion is? Or if you start showing them nothing but black people beating up white people, what do you think their opinion is going to be? So you can very easily affect anyone's opinion if you target them specifically. Most people are on an algorithm where it's like, it kind of gives you what they think that you want. But if it's someone that you want and you're going to target them and these social media, they know exactly who's looking.

[Podcast Host]

That's such a good point. Because if most feeds are promoting a lot of negativity, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Whether it's violence or, like conspiracy theories or whatever. Like, it's just negative information.

[Jesse on Fire]

It's what you. It's what you interact with. It's as simple as that. It's like, it's. What do they interact with it? So if someone went on and just as a test, only interacted with videos of cats chasing birds, that's all they're going to show it. If you think about, like, what you're, you know, what you're most likely to respond To. At least for me, it's. I see something that makes me mad, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Instantly, it's like. That's what I'm saying. That's. That's exactly my point with the destiny thing. It's like, if he says, we need to check. I remember the one that he. That he's. Where he's like. He said the thing about. He's like, did anyone check whether any of those girls that died in the flood were pregnant? Because we need to get the. We need to get the death count right? And I immediately went on my channel and did a video where I was like, hey, this guy fantasizes about children, in case you guys forgot about that. It's just like tit for tat, dude. You want to talk about dead kids? I'll talk about the kids that you talked about. You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

That's nuts. I just finished Gavin Newsom's episode with Stephen Bartlett. Did you see that one?

[Jesse on Fire]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Diary of a CEO, that's a good podcast. But, yeah, Newsom looks like he's gonna make a run in 28.

[Jesse on Fire]

He's probably gonna win.

[Podcast Host]

You think he'll win?

[Jesse on Fire]

I mean, I hope not. I hope not. But he's. He is the only one. He's the only politician that I've seen that he understands the new game. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not complicated. Honestly, if you looked at how Kamala Harris ran her, Her. Her campaign, and you're like Jennifer Lopez on a stage, oh, you know, obiance cares. You, like, do you not understand the world that you live in now? Social media killed that, you guys, that doesn't work anymore. You need people to actually like you. You know, if you're funny and you can share good ideas, people will feel like, oh, okay, maybe I can trust that guy. The, like, faceless, you know, big balloon head celebrity thing that doesn't work anymore. Gavin recognizes that. And now he's on. He's on X doing memes of Trump and Epstein, like, you know, AI videos that are making fun of it. It's like you never saw politicians do that before. He's going on Sean Ryan. He's going on all these. Rogan's smart enough to know what he's doing, and Rogan doesn't want him to get elected. He's like, you. You're not coming on my show. You know what I mean? At least thus far. I would expect him to not give him a platform because he knows exactly what he is, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, he turned out netanyahu I saw that.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I wouldn't be surprised if he turned on Newsom, too.

[Jesse on Fire]

I saw Netanyahu's son say something about that. He's like, oh, well, you know, if he had him on, all the anti semitic information that Rogan has shared on his show would now be wasted. I'm like, that's.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, Rogan's like the most neutral host of all time.

[Jesse on Fire]

That's what I'm saying.

[Podcast Host]

Like, he has on Bernie Sanders, and then he'll have on, like, Donald Trump. Trump.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Podcast Host]

How are you gonna attack him for that?

[Jesse on Fire]

Well, they attack him because he platform, I mean, that's the big thing with the left is like, you're gonna give that guy a platform. That's like, they. They would always, you know, they would call into these. These concerts where there's going to be conservatives putting on something. They're like, we need to shut it down. Or like, at the colleges, we gotta shut that down. It's like, don't give them a platform. And, you know, the problem is that the neutral podcasters are like, okay, but that person's not an extremist. I'm gonna have a conversation with them. And then, you know, you can't, like, you can't pretend that a person is an extremist if they're not, you know, for most people. Most people are like, yeah, no, I've watched him. He's definitely not that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the anti Semitic label because I see the host they attached that to, and most of them aren't actually that, in my opinion.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, I agree. They're talking. I mean, they're talking about a nation state. I don't talk about Israel because I don't want issues with monetization. Yeah, not even that. Just they got a lot of power men, you know? You know, I already know, like, that's why I stay.

[Podcast Host]

Politics in Austin, it's pretty blue there, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

So the majority of, like, the podcasters that are kind of in our niche are, I think, kind of like me, which is I consider myself independent. Like, there's, you know, I voted for Obama twice, and then I ended up basically, you know, building my entire, like, my everything I was talking about politically going into 2024 was all Trump. Like, because it was just like, I don't know if you were a free thinking, independent person and Covid did not turn you. Absolutely. Like, I wouldn't vote for these people if I was related to them, you know, if they were in my family. I would have voted against. Against them.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, her own family did, I think.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, I know Tim Waltz is Tim Walls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they just are gonna. I. I think that there's a world where in 10 years, a lot of people, you know, are like, I think that there's going to be, like a reset politically. I think that. I think Trump basically broke the entire system.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Which is probably a very, very good thing. You know, I'm really curious to see what. What Bongino was referencing, though, the other day with that tweet.

[Podcast Host]

I was super cryptic, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I've seen. What was it like? I've seen so much stuff that's.

[Jesse on Fire]

I'll never be the same.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

It's changed me forever.

[Podcast Host]

I wonder if that's related to Epstein or if that's just something else.

[Jesse on Fire]

Dude, it could be what. What Candace is covering, like, you know. You know, Candace is doing Pizza Gate. That's what she's doing.

[Podcast Host]

Really?

[Jesse on Fire]

Like with the Brigitte Macron thing. That's where she's going. That's where she's going. Wow, elite. Elite pedophile rings that run the world. That's Pizzagate is.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. She just got served a lawsuit from a crone. Right.

[Jesse on Fire]

Dumbest thing they could have ever done.

[Podcast Host]

International lawsuit.

[Jesse on Fire]

Absolutely dumbest thing they could have possibly done. Because it puts eyes on her. And if you watch her, it's exactly the same thing. It's like they're like, oh, yeah, she's talking all this crazy nonsense you watch once. You're like, oh, damn. This is. This is the opposite of crazy. I don't know why anybody fucks around with Candace. Dude, she'll eat him. Dude.

[Podcast Host]

She doesn't back down.

[Jesse on Fire]

She'll eat him.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Suing Candace. Like, did you say, like, I watched her last night and she was talking about it and you could just tell, like, her. She had a smile. Like, she is so excited that they sued her. She absolutely loves it. She loves it. It's crazy.

[Podcast Host]

That story got Trump involved, too. Yeah, Trump gave her a call.

[Jesse on Fire]

Dude. How bananas is that? I was telling my mom about that last night. It's like Macron is in there. I think it was a Ukraine peace deal. And he. He's like, well, we're not going to do this unless you get Candace Owens to stop talking about Brigitte. It's like, it's like. Like cartoon world, dude.

[Podcast Host]

The power of alternative media, man.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Podcasts have that poll now.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think we're living in a.

[Jesse on Fire]

Simulation I do, actually. Well, I mean, who knows?

[Podcast Host]

Dude, everything feels so scripted, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, it's not. Well, not. Not necessarily scripted. I think that. Have you ever. Have you ever used VR headsets?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I've used Oculus.

[Jesse on Fire]

Okay. So the first time that I. That I put on a VR headset is when I started very seriously considering simulation theory. Just because it's like, if you can have all of your senses fully immersed right now by putting some device. So you're essentially just putting a television over your head, and you think about where things are going currently, where you got neuralink, you already know they're trying to put the computer inside of your brain. You have super intelligence over here. You have AI that's going to basically be able to build anything digital at a speed that is unfathomable to us now. You know, you have thousands of people working on these systems, and it takes them years to build them. They'll be able to build it in, like, six minutes. You know, they're, you know, like, not even in that near or that distant future.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

And a lot of people are terrified about where AI is going to go and whether or not the AI is going to turn on us and kill us. My opinion, honestly, is I think that's humans projecting humanity onto the AI, because humans are like, well, what if they hurt us and then we go bomb them? Like, which seems psychopathic when you really think about it. So if AI is not that, and AI does work symbiotically with. With humanity. What. What I believe about where VR comes into this is like, the thing about virtual reality is that, you know, you're inside the virtual reality, and it's like, at a certain point, we're gonna be like, well, what if. What if you could be in there and you didn't know? You know, because the next thing to solve for is, like, the touch. Right now you have sound and vision, then they'll solve for touch. And then it's gonna be like, well, what if you could not realize you're in a simulation or a virtual reality thing? And then also life is very short. 80. 80. I think the average lifespan is like 75 years for men in the United States. That's crazy short. Well, what if you could also condense time so you can go into a simulation where you can experience 80 years in what is actually an hour.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jesse on Fire]

And at that point, you don't need to 3D print new organs for people. You don't need to maintain people's organs forever. You just need to have them. Just hook them up and you can live forever.

[Podcast Host]

That be nuts.

[Jesse on Fire]

Live forever.

[Podcast Host]

You know, cropped.

[Jesse on Fire]

And my theory on that also has to do with like, so, you know the near death experience thing.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Where people all, not all, but many people report a tunnel and then their loved ones, a younger version of their young ones, and they're like, hey, it's not your time. So my hypothesis on what that could be is a program to ease you out of the experience that you've been in for 75 to 80 years. Because imagine how jarring it would be if you just lived 80 years and on the other side you're this other person, you know, and you come out and it's just like, you know, like a way that they ease you up, but then those people end up back alive. So they don't go through the entire process if, I mean, who knows about what the nature of reality is? But if I had to bet on it, that's kind of where my brain goes. Because think like, think about like, VR, AI and all of that. In a thousand years, you think they won't be able to do that?

[Podcast Host]

Can't even comprehend that.

[Jesse on Fire]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host]

It's advancing so fast. I don't even think I'll take a thousand.

[Jesse on Fire]

Oh, I don't either. I just say a thousand. It's like, of course we'll be able to do all that stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know.

[Podcast Host]

Would you ever get a neuralink?

[Jesse on Fire]

It depends. I'll let someone else get it first. Yeah, facts, you know, I'll let someone else get it first and then tell me someone I trust, and then be like, okay, what's it like? And if they're like, oh, my God, it's.

[Podcast Host]

Well, the guy that's paralyzed that has. It seems like he's loving it. Have you seen that?

[Jesse on Fire]

No. Tell me about it. So there are people who have them in, and I haven't actually looked at it, many.

[Podcast Host]

So one guy's in a wheelchair, but he has it. And he can use his thoughts to play chess. Play, like video games. It's nuts, dude.

[Jesse on Fire]

Man, that is wild.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's crazy. Like he can't move his arms, but he can use his thoughts to, like, actually play games and everything. There's videos of him playing chess, I believe.

[Jesse on Fire]

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You, you. You combine those technologies in a not so distant future. Maybe you put them in a simulation and they don't realize it. And then there was a movie about condensing time like that that I watched. It was like this. It was kind of like a low budget science fiction movie, but it was where if so that you can be put in prison and not actually lose your life, right? So it's like you get a 10 year sentence and they would drop this stuff in your eye and they would do 10 years in prison when actually what was like 30 seconds.

[Podcast Host]

Whoa.

[Jesse on Fire]

So it was like the punishment. And inside of the experience, they were just in this box that had a clock and they just sat there in this box looking and just waiting for, for 10 minutes or. And also, have you seen, have you seen the, the Black Mirror episode, White Christmas?

[Podcast Host]

Which one was that?

[Jesse on Fire]

It's the one where they're inside a simulation and the guy is, he's trying to extract information from this guy of where he buried these bodies or whatever. But like, he's telling his story and they create a digital clone of a person's brain and they put them inside of this device. And the device is supposed to like, make everything much easier for the real person. So the real person has no idea that there is another clone version of themselves inside of this thing being forced into slavery. And they have to like, you know, like, work all these gears to like, set up their appointments and do all of this stuff. But the way that he gets the, the clone mind to do it is he can just press this button and make them experience an astronomical amount of time by themselves in that room. So they're like, are you sure you're not gonna do it? They're like, no, let's see how you feel about it in three weeks. And then so the person just sits there in this white room for three weeks. And then when he comes back, then he makes it six months and then it's like, boom. And then he gives him a thousand years. And they've just, you know, they just lose their mind.

[Podcast Host]

It's like, crazy, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Holy crap, that's trippy, bro.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

So if you believe in simulation theory, would that rule out believing in aliens for you?

[Jesse on Fire]

No, not at all. I, the alien thing, I just have no idea. I, I, the, the, the cases that are credible to me are so credible that I don't know what to do, but I don't know what they are, you know? Do you know about the Phoenix lights?

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Jesse on Fire]

So In March of 1997, the, it was, I believe there was a comet that was going over Phoenix that night. And so everybody was outside looking up at the stars and starting like, soon as it was kind of like dark or whatever, they're over the, over the Scottsdale and Phoenix Basin this craft that was a mile wide, according to everybody. They're like, you can't. You can't fathom how big this thing was. It was like a triangle. Flew over it, dead silent. The biggest thing they've ever seen. It was flying super slow, like, too slow to be propelled by, you know, fuel or anything. Every single person. There was 10,000 witnesses. Every single one of them, without fail, said it's impossible that humans built this thing, including Fife Symington, who was the governor and was also in the Air Force. And so. And he's like. He's like, humans didn't build this. Whatever this thing was, it's like the most credible, you know?

[Podcast Host]

10,000.

[Jesse on Fire]

10,000.

[Podcast Host]

Because I get skeptical when it's, like, one or two people.

[Jesse on Fire]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host]

10,000 is nuts.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yep. And the military ones are also good if it's. If it doesn't seem to be an obvious, like, psyop, you know, so, like. Like, there's one in the Rendlesham Forest that happened in the 80s, and it was at a. One of our nuclear weapon sites. And there's so many reports of UFO interaction with our nuclear weapon sites.

[Podcast Host]

I heard that.

[Jesse on Fire]

And this one in particular happened over multiple nights where they had UFOs hovering over, like, over the. I guess. What do you. Like, where they have all the ICBMs. And then there was something in the forest. And these guys. These guys went out there kind of to see what was going on. And there was multiple nights, multiple experiences. Super credible guys. One of them was a colonel responsible for guarding our nuclear weapons. Like, who's more credible than that? And I've seen him talk about it. I've seen the other guys talk about it. And there were three guys who came up on a craft that was on the floor or on the ground, like, hovering above the ground. And they. They walked around it for 45 minutes. They wrote down these, like, symbols that were on it. And then after 45 minutes, they said that it just went. And then. And, like, the guy. It's hard for the guy to even talk about it. Wigged him out so much. But that one I believe. And then the Travis Walton story is the one. You seen the movie Fire in the Sky? You know what that is? Heard of it? I think it's the one abduction story that I believe, you know, that I just.

[Podcast Host]

I think I heard of this.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Because the abductions one's hard for me. I don't. I mean, it could totally be true. But to your point, one person telling you that they got it, it's always hard that it's like, okay, well, this person could be crazy or trying to get attention or whatever. But the Travis Walton story. There were seven lumberjacks also in Arizona.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

And they were leaving their. Their work site for the night, and they drive by and they saw this gigantic flying saucer that was down in the forest. And this dude, Travis Walton, who's crazy, he's 23 years old or something, jumps out of the car, starts sprinting towards this. This flying saucer. All of his people are like, get back in the car. And they said that, like, there was like a flash of light and he went flying across the forest, like 100 yards. They said, he's dead for sure.

[Podcast Host]

Jeez.

[Jesse on Fire]

And they took off. Then they spazzed out and kind of all came back. All of them have passed 100 lie detectors on this. They come back and he's gone. So he shows back up in the town, like, four or five days later. And what he said had happened was he woke up and he was on. On board this craft. And they were like. He said they were like creatures that were, like, working on him. He was on Rogan. He. I watched him tell this entire story on Rogan, and I'm like, all these guys pass lie detector tests. He seems to be telling the truth. It's. I don't know. That's the one. That's the one abduction story. And. And if that one's true, the reason they would have taken him on board is they fixed him. Like, they would have accidentally hurt him and then taken him on board, fixed him, and then dropped him back off. So, like, I don't know what that would indicate. Maybe they're from the future and they're not allowed to interact with us, so they don't, you know, mess up the timelines or who knows? I have no idea what they are, but I do believe some of those are. Are real. And I don't even know what to make of what it actually is.

[Podcast Host]

Seven people passing lie detector tests, like.

[Jesse on Fire]

A bunch of lie detector tests over. Over decades this happened. I mean, he's like. When he was on Rogan, he's like 70 or something. It happened when he's 23. They've lie detected these guys a million times. They've always passed.

[Podcast Host]

I don't see a reason for seven random lumberjacks to lie about it.

[Jesse on Fire]

Certainly not for this long.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know? Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Damn. That's crazy.

[Jesse on Fire]

You should look that one up. Look up the Travis Walton Rogan and watch it. And it's like, it's wild.

[Podcast Host]

Dude, I need to see that one for sure. Yeah. I always wondered if they're from the. Just us from the future or if they're from different planets.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Who knows?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. Because they. And the other thing that. That they seem to report consistently is that they can feel that the. They're communicating with them, with their minds. Yeah. And. And that's what he. He reported that as well, that he said that he could feel them trying to calm him down because he freaked out and he, like, jumped off and I don't know. It's the. I'll let you watch the whole thing, but that would make sense, though. I mean, they have these tiny little mouths, these huge eyes. Because if they communicate telepathically, why would they need mouths? And if they have a small mouth, that sounds like evolution hasn't taken the mouth all the way. Very likely could have been us in the future. Who knows?

[Podcast Host]

That's nuts. Let's end off with some UFC MMA stuff.

[Jesse on Fire]

Let's do it.

[Podcast Host]

One of my guests, Colby Covington.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Is it true he wanted to see you at one point?

[Jesse on Fire]

I don't. I don't think so.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Jesse on Fire]

I am totally unaware of that if that's true.

[Podcast Host]

Did you piss him off or something?

[Jesse on Fire]

No, I said that I did videos because I didn't believe that him and Masal's beef was real.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know, and, yeah, he definitely doesn't want to sue me now because, like, Chill. Chill Senate is my boy. And after Colby's last fight, I sent a message to Colby, like. Because, like, Chill was cornering him.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

So, like, me and Colby are definitely cool now. I don't even know if we weren't cool ever, but we're definitely cool now. But, yeah, I. I just didn't buy it, dude. They were bet. They're bet they were best friends. Like, inseparable closest friends in the world. And when that beef started, they were. It was right when Colby started doing the act, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

And I mean, I. I compiled all these clips where I'm like, look, dude, he was trying to do the act, and they kept on asking him about. They're like, you just talked all this shit about Moss. Isn't he your best friend? And he's like, yeah, he's my best friend, but I could. I could say what I want. And I just. I was like, I guarantee you, after that interview, they went to each other. He's like, this is not going to work. Like, I can't be this guy and also have this, like, super Best friend. He's like, we gotta do a beef. And. But who knows? I mean, like, when they ended up fighting, I went to that. I went to that fight.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Still 100% convinced that they were still best friends. And I don't know. It was just, like, even after the.

[Podcast Host]

Restaurant fight, they got him.

[Jesse on Fire]

So that. This was before that.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, this was before.

[Jesse on Fire]

This was right before that. The restaurant fight. I have theories on that. I can't talk about. But I'm still. I'm still 50. As soon as Colby retires, I'm gonna start asking people questions, dude. Because I know they won't tell me while he's still active, but, you know, I'm still not convinced most of the.

[Podcast Host]

Beefs are fake, if we're being honest.

[Jesse on Fire]

I mean, that one would be the most masterfully executed fake beef ever, if it's fake. But there's, like a. You know, there's like a court case and everything with the. With him. I think it's real, though. It has to be real. Yeah. Now, that's what I was saying, like, is. Once he punched him, I still didn't believe it. I was like, this is some kind of. But I think at this point, like, there was a. You know, he took a charge, and I'm sure it's real.

[Podcast Host]

I've had them both on, like, separately, and I didn't ask them about it because I didn't know.

[Jesse on Fire]

They would have told you that.

[Podcast Host]

It's trying to bring legal stuff.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. Oh, it was after. It was after that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It was recently. A few months ago. I don't know if they settled yet or something.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. I can't remember. I don't know if they. I don't know what happened financially, but I know. I think George's got pled down to, like, a misdemeanor or something.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

I'm not 100 sure, but, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I've heard Colby is, like, super nice off camera.

[Podcast Host]

The nicest guy.

[Jesse on Fire]

Everybody says that.

[Podcast Host]

The nicest guy. Yeah. It's one of those things, as a fighter, you got to brand yourself, so. I get it.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Business point of view.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

The only real beef I. I remember is Jones and Cormier.

[Jesse on Fire]

Oh, they hate each other for sure.

[Podcast Host]

They still do.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. That is a. But that. Honestly, that is a. I'm convinced. That is, like, two guys who only know how to be champions in the division at the same time. It's. They're going to. They're going to have problems. They're in different gyms if those two guys were different weight classes in the same gym, they'd be the best. They'd be best friends.

[Podcast Host]

You think so?

[Jesse on Fire]

I really do. I think that that would probably be good for Jon Jones's life too, because Cormier would be a good influence on his decision making, you know.

[Podcast Host]

You excited about these White House fights they're talking about?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah, I would love if they would put. If they would actually put Jon Jones in that fight, you know? Yeah, I. I completely understand Dana's position, though. The White House, the White House event, they can't have any problems. They can't have anybody kind of wash out. And if you think about how many times that's happened with Jones, Jones is the greatest fighter of all time. He ran through everybody at light heavyweight, you know, at heavy. I mean, I still am confused why he retired all of a sudden. I think it was probably because of that case that happened right afterwards. But I said at the time, I'm like, I bet you he'll still come back. But it's, it's hard to risk, even. Even though him versus Aspinall is obviously the biggest fight you could possibly put on.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

And with the US government paying for it, you could pay them whatever, you know what I mean? They literally could pay them whatever. There's no. You don't have to worry about the pay per view sales. The government's going to pay for it. They can, you know, make a deal.

[Podcast Host]

That less than millions each probably put.

[Jesse on Fire]

On whatever show you want. But. But the one thing you can't risk is the main event doesn't happen, you know, and you have to get like a. A backup or whatever. But I hope that they do if they let Jon Jones fight. Obviously it's so weird that you have Tom Aspinall fighting Cyril Gone for the heavyweight title, where you're like, really, like, that's, that's the best they got after Jon Jones.

[Podcast Host]

Easy win for him, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

Hospital if he wrestles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just, they showed Cyril Gone getting ragdolled by Imamov the other day, who's an 85er.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that's gonna be an easy fight for him, I think. So you've been watching Power Slap too, or. No. I noticed a lot of the true fighters don't like Power Slap.

[Jesse on Fire]

I just. I mean, the thing is, when you actually watch it, it's not as bad as if you just. Because, like when you, when you just watch the highlights, because they always put the people just getting stretched on there. And I was like, man, I don't like that, dude. Even when I'm watching a UFC fight, obviously when someone gets flatlined like that, you go crazy. But at the same time, you're like, at least if you know anything about fighting, you're, like, concerned for them. You know, where it's like you go nuts, and then you look. Especially if you go. Do you go to shows live a lot?

[Podcast Host]

I go to ufc, yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. So, you know, like, the. The part they don't show you on television is how up the guy is after the fight. Like, guys that get finished are so up, and they never show that on television. And. Yeah. So I don't know when I see guys, you know, do. Especially that. Like that one where their body folds in half and then they fall just like, you know, or their arms are out. I'm like, gosh. And they're. Because the nature of it, that they. They're not defending themselves. But again, when you actually watch power stuff, they don't get. They don't always get knockouts. So it makes it not quite as bad as I originally thought, but I just. I don't watch it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Personally, what about bare knuckle? Like, what's your favorite thing to watch right now? I guess.

[Jesse on Fire]

Oh, you have seen UFC still ways.

[Podcast Host]

Because there's a lot of talk how they're losing their superstars right now. It's a new era.

[Jesse on Fire]

I. I feel like. I feel like the UFC doesn't want superstars anymore. Not like Connor level, the Jones level, the Nate level. Because once these guys are that big and they're that rich, it's impossible to get them to fight.

[Podcast Host]

True.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know what I mean? It's because, like, the motivation where people are always taking fights is they need the money.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jesse on Fire]

And even if. Even if you're paying guys a million dollars a fight. Million dollars, pay your team, pay your taxes, all of that stuff. That's not like, put your feet up money. Start paying guys 8, 9, 10, $12 million every fight, dude. And they fight twice in a year. Guy makes. Guy makes $18 million that year. And then they do that for two years. And you call them. You're like, hey. They're like, I don't know, man. You know, I don't know. And Connor, way more money. He spends much more money. But also, what. I mean, you haven't seen him since years, right? Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's an interesting take.

[Jesse on Fire]

Or last time he fought with 21.

[Podcast Host]

21?

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. He fought in January and July of 21. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Is that when he broke his leg or was that, yeah, that's a tough injury.

[Jesse on Fire]

He's 37, dude.

[Podcast Host]

Holy.

[Jesse on Fire]

Isn't that nuts? Like, he's his 37th birthday, and I'm like, man, he said, I, I, I'm sure that he has business interests that are fine for him, you know, where he'll be fine either way. But yeah, for fight fans, it's unfortunate.

[Podcast Host]

He's good. Yeah. He sold his liquor company, I believe, for nine figures.

[Jesse on Fire]

100. And I think I heard that he made personally like 183, if it's pretty exact number. Like, I'm pretty sure. I think they sold it for 400, and his end was 183. You could spend that money, though, dude. That's like 183 million if you. I mean, at least what it appears like he spends. You know how he spends money. I mean, you could spend that money for sure, but I think he's got other money coming in. This whole thing with the, with that Nikita hand case, though, that crushed him. All of his sponsors pulled, you know, because proper 12, I'm. I mean, I don't know the exact figures, but they were for sure still paying him seven figures a month minimum. Pulled.

[Podcast Host]

Damn.

[Jesse on Fire]

All of his sponsors, all from that.

[Podcast Host]

Nude that got leaked.

[Jesse on Fire]

No, no, no, no. For the, the case.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, wow.

[Jesse on Fire]

Which I don't believe, for the record, I don't think it's. I don't think that he did it. The, the, Basically, in any case where there's footage that would either confirm or deny the two conflicting stories, if one side wants to play the footage and the other side is filing injunctions to block it, the person who's filing the injunctions is lying. And that's exactly what she's doing. It's like in. So in her story, in her story, this, this, this thing that Connor did was brutal. Like, really gnarly and brutal. And she has injuries, which is why everybody, you know, initially believed it. But then you're like, okay, well, what did she do after that? And I mean, per everyone, she stayed at this hotel. Connor left. This is all on camera. Connor left the hotel. She stayed there for another six, six hours partying with. With Connor's friend, and supposedly went up and had sex with Connor's friend. Also, the entire time that she's there, she's. She's coked out of her mind, and she's texting her. Her guy at the time sending these paragraphs of just lies upon lies upon lies upon lies. And you're like, what credibility does she have? And then when Conor wanted To show the security footage of her afterwards at the place hanging on guys kissing on their neck for hours and hours and hours. They wouldn't allow him to play it.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Jesse on Fire]

And they. And then they filed an injunction where he couldn't play it publicly. I'm like, dude, she's fudgeing. Lying, dude.

[Podcast Host]

So not.

[Jesse on Fire]

Who would. Who. You know, like, it's like, circumstantial. But human behavior, certain things are like, that's not circumstantial. No one would do that. If this guy beat you up and you. There is no way that you're all, well, what am I gonna do next? You're all, I'm gonna just stay here. And he left. And you're just gonna stay there and party for six hours, like, and be hanging all over and dancing? Come on, dude.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It's just nuts how they weaponize this against men, right? Russell brand from 25 years ago.

[Jesse on Fire]

That one I don't. I definitely don't believe.

[Podcast Host]

25 years ago.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. I mean, listen, if people. If a guy does that, you just bury him under the jail. But, yeah, I mean, Conor wanted to run for president of Ireland, dude. You know, like, that's. I'm sure nobody over there wants him to be president. And also, because she had the injuries, and I have no idea where she got the injuries. That's the only. That's the only part that I can't kind of reconcile. But the injuries that could have come from somewhere else, the behavior. Give me a break, dude.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know, yeah, the Russell Brand one is gnarly, especially if, you know, like, the origin of that was a group of, you know, leftist journalists reading his book and then starting to call all these girls crap from inside the book and then cultivating this story, you know, where they. And I can't remember exactly that one, but they, like, they, like, tricked these girls. Like, they told this, like, oh, did he ever choke you? You know, did he ever do whatever? Like, just kind of. That kind of stuff. And they're like, well, you know that all these other girls are saying that he choked them and it was against their will. Whatever. Got one to say that, you know, say this because she thought that there was a bunch of people saying it. And then they go back to the other ones, and, no, we got this one saying this, and it was like, that's nuts. And do you really. I mean, do you believe Russell Brand would do that?

[Podcast Host]

I don't think so, man. I've met him, so I might be biased, but it's just fish to Me how it's so long ago and, like, would that have happened if he wasn't.

[Jesse on Fire]

Successful and talking about the things he's talking about?

[Podcast Host]

You know what I mean?

[Jesse on Fire]

So I'm saying, dude, certain topics I don't talk about.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse on Fire]

You know, I don't talk about him.

[Podcast Host]

Common theme with all these people that get hit with this grape charge. It's like Andrew Tate, Russell Brand, Connor.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah. Well, luckily, I've been married for 17 years. They're gonna have to go way back if they want to try to find somebody. Pretend that I did that.

[Podcast Host]

I did it with Russell, though, man. You gotta.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You might as well text your exes now.

[Jesse on Fire]

Well, luckily, I've never done that, so, you know, they would have to. They would just have to completely fabricate it, like, out of left field, but, you know. Yeah. I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

You're better safe than sorry, man.

[Jesse on Fire]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Geez.

[Jesse on Fire]

I'm on good terms with everybody, dude. I've never had, like. There are no girls that I've had that I'm on bad terms with, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Well, the Tate one was crazy because they exposed. One of them got paid 100 grand. Do you see that?

[Jesse on Fire]

No. Oh, I read the head. Tell me about it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So she got paid 100 grand to, like, make these allegations about him, basically. And they tracked the money and, like, found evidence of it. Crazy, right?

[Jesse on Fire]

And they put him in Romanian prison.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. That's no joke.

[Jesse on Fire]

These guys don't play, man. That's what I'm saying. That's. That's why there are certain things. I'm like, look, I'm all for say what you say, what you think, but there are certain things. It's like, dude, why put your family involved?

[Podcast Host]

You know? Exactly. I'm the same way, for sure. Yeah. Well, Jesse, it's been cool, man. Can't wait to do more with you in the future.

[Jesse on Fire]

Where can people find you, Jesse on Fire? On YouTube and then on X and Instagram. Real Jesse on Fire is my handle. Tick tock. I'm there, but I don't post it very well.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks for coming on, man.

[Jesse on Fire]

Thanks, man. Pleasure.